Reading 1 Star Arcane Reviews
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- Опубліковано 23 гру 2021
- In this video we are taking a closer look at the people who think Arcane is bad. Whether it's because they don't like the artstyle, the plot, or the narrative. Let's see what these guys have to say :)
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reviewer: "I don't like jinx she ruins everything everyone tries to do, terrible writing"
in the show: *establishes in episode 1 that she is a jinx and is suppose to ruin everything*
jimx* =D
Tbh this review was very funny and quite relatable, Jinx, as her name implies is annoying. I loved her character and the show ofc but this review really came from the heart lol. Better than the guy who was saying there is no story which is complete bullshit.
yeah but just because it is established does it make it good? jinx is a character that represents trauma and mental illness in a rather negative way. if I suffered from schizophrenia and would watch her I would feel offended cause all the girl causes is misery.
@@jukori Less negative, more realistic when you consider how far her worst traits were egged on by her situation, mental illness and trauma isn't always pretty and Jinx's descent shows you this in a pretty empathetic way; all the girl wanted was to be loved.
@@jukori look, my best friend has schizophrenia and she loved the way they portrayed Jinx. It wasn’t the classic stereotype of a crazy person that babbles no sense, it’s a girl whose circumstances were really unfortunate, mixing trauma with untreated pre existent mental illnesses. And as a psychology student, the show depicted mental illnesses and the way different characters react to the events of their life realistically. Life isn’t always kind and with Jinx it has been brutal.
"There's no back story"
*Meanwhile one third of the whole show is literally focused on the back story of the main characters.*
Right! The first scene is literally backstory to the backstory! Lol
When I saw that the only thing I could think of was, the person wanted unnecessary exposition, like how Zaun was created, the laws and rules of magic, the science the timelines, as a none LoL fan those things aren't explained and it can cause some problems, well... It leaves one with mostly curious questions, but at the same time, the first 3 episodes focuses on what we need to know what's going on. There was no need to go that deep because this is a character driven story, it really wasn't about world building and lore and while I also had these questions, by episode 4 you start to realize that those things are irrelevant, this about Vi and Powder, if you wanna know how they do what they do, check the websites
That’s not even what they’re talking about. There’s no backstory to the power structure, past wars, the parents never get any screen time at all, magic gets no backstory. All we get is shallow backstories to mostly shallow characters, besides jinx.
@@groovygoblin4152 The person who posted above you sums it up pretty well. You sound like you want a history lesson for Zaun and I can promise you that would be so horrifically boring.
Avatar the Last Airbender didn't give us endless exposition and it's incredibly fleshed out.
@@genera1013 not really. I want 3 main things with world building.
1: Consistency
This is mainly to do with the undercity. Such as when the enforcers walk in wearing gas masks (which I absolutely love) showing a deep rooted disgust for even the air they breathe without saying a single thing, and they take it off too, showing it’s not necessary, or part of a uniform, it’s because the air is so thick it’s terrible for those who haven’t been down there yet. That was an amazing scene, and I loved the deep rooted show of corruption, especially through Grayson (was really upset her character got killed off quick, she would’ve been good to have throughout story to contrast Marcus. Blackmail compared to bribery.
However, after all this building of how much they hate the undercity, most of it just gets forgotten and barely talked about. And the only thing we get is a few “I hate the undercity” “I’m from the undercity” interactions between characters (Caitlyn and Vi, Jayce and Viktor). Feels wasted.
2: Subtlety
Most of the rest of the show just follows everyone saying they hate the undercity. It’s just annoying and we don’t really get any more moments that are as good as the gas masks.
3: Reasoning
I want to see the reasons that they just leave the undercity to dwell. Is it because it supports an economy? Is it because it’s where they can send slightly dangerous people? Because it’s very clear they could wipe them all out. Also, why do they hate the undercity so much. Nobody at all pities them, unlike in a real society. A lot of things are thrown into the story and we have to accept them without being given reasons why, be it through explanation or clever exposition, we just don’t get the reasons at all.
As a side note, the whole magic thing annoys me because you have to know more about league of legends lore. I would much prefer if they did just a 1 minute animation, showing war, brutality, death etc, all because of the magic, or explained why it came about, or who has it, or where those people are, or how piltover even knows about it because there’s seemingly no one with magic there. Also, why are they trying to harness unstable magic when they can focus on technological advancements. The problem is, they create too many things to be explored with not enough runtime. Some parts of the ex series should never have been explored, mainly the politics. Keep it central to the main characters, where you only see updates through vague speeches, and these magic weapons and tools are mysterious. That’s about all really. I don’t want it spoonfed, but I would even accept that. Some explanation is better than none in this case.
"I don't like it when characters have nuance, how am I meant to pick a side if a character isn't 100% bad or 100% good?"
@John AlastairSo then which character is morally good according to your horni test?
@@guywhochangeshisprofilealo7163 imo Jinx all the way
@@guywhochangeshisprofilealo7163 One thing j realised while watching Arcane, I have a thing for Tom boys, because Vi is so fucking stupdily hot, I wish I was caitlyn.
@John Alastair same
Stick to them even if the fandom wants to tear your guts
Ambiguity is what makes characters more interesting and feel more real, since no one in real life is “100% bad” or “100% good”. Everyone has both good and bad moments, but no one in inherently good or bad all the way.
As an artist myself, it hurts to know some people don't think the art style is impressive considering it's animation, it looks like somethings straight from a professional artists canvas and with that many lines it's a miracle they managed to animate it, and so well too
As an intermediate artist, the art in this show and animation is god given. Never seen something as good as Arcane's art and animation.
You could take a screenshot, print it and put it in an art gallery and it will fit right in with historical great works
Agreed
@Over Salt pinting
@@magicfeliuri2681 You will find Over Salt and Groovy Goblin trolling all over the place in this comment section, best to try not to engage
I love the "the show didnt tell me who is good or bad, so I dont know what to think about the characters" ... just ... make up your own mind ...
"My inability to think for myself and form opinions is the show's fault"
The show literally makes you decide on your own who was right and why 😭 it's a nuanced story and Arcane treats it as such. That's NOT bad writing!
**Sniff** Mummu im scawed the show doesnt tell me who to hate
They obviously missed the part where that was on purpose. There is no entirely good or entirely bad in Arcane and that's by design.
like literally the whole point is to make the viewers think for themselves and yet some of them are too lazy to think
"There's no worldbuilding"
Then how do you know about the "clans, families, academy" and the "top-side and bottom dwelling humans?"
nO wOrLd BuIlDiNg, goes on to list world building lol
Apparently good world-building is having some narrator spoon feed you info because using your brain to pay attention to interactions between characters and nuances is too much work
"World building"
*looks at the Runeterra universe*
"Eh, good luck reading all that"
That would take ages to even talk about! This show was so far basically 70% of the backstory of the single most smallest region (literally a single city) of all of Runeterra! Just trying to explain anything else than maybe Ixtal would take probably twice as long in story telling. Now I do agree with the reviewer that we learn little to nothing about Runeterra outside of Piltover and Zaun, but that's the god damn point! If they were to make a show about all of Runeterra, that would be a One Piece type of show (in length, not in story). Considering the lore also changes every so often with new champions and updated ones, you can't generalize anything for any place in Runeterra.
It's like they wanted a history lesson or something. I think the writers gave us just enough information to keep us invested in the story, without over-explaining the conflict between Piltover and the Trenchers.
People like that think world building means exposition dumps and characters spoon-feeding background to the camera, so the idea of using their brain to understand whats going on without needing to be told is alien to them. And god forbid they google something they missed >.
This show took 6 YEARS to make. The art style is just. CHEFS KISS. The story, once i started it, i was IN LOVE. The voice acting, art, and how much i relate to the characters. I LOVED the music in this show. I might have an obsession.
I might have an obsession as well, and holy hell! 6 years! With all that time and dedication, no wonder this show is a masterpiece!
I might have an obsession as well, and holy hell! 6 years! With all that time and dedication, no wonder this show is a masterpiece!
I just got a co-worker to watch the show, and by episode 7 he said he loved the art, but for being something of a cartoon, he prefers cartoons to have more over the top action scenes, (but agrees some of the realism in the fights is so good that it's fine anyways) but he likes the fighting. And says the expressions and animation is the best he's seen a while, and can't believe a video game got the first decent show, and he has no context for League of Legends, never played.
Then he comes in to work, tells me he finished the last episodes and says the show is shit. The only thing he knew, apparently, of LoL, is Jinx is basically Joker and Harley Quinn as one person, and expected way more people to die by the end, and the fact "she didn't kill Caitlynn" is dumb, and she's not even different in the end, she's still powder/jinx, theres no reason why she didn't kill everyone there if she was actually full crazy now.
Then started making jokes "I'm guessing nobody died because they're in the game, and if I knew that, I wouldn't expect them to die, but not killing them because they have to live to be characters is dumb. The missile at the end is stupid now because if I know any of them are characters they don't die. Ha ha. I wonder who all gets to live through that somehow."
So the whole show was ruined for him because he expected a mass murder spree as a finale, and then realised that because its based on a video game, that a bunch of people that in his eyes should die, will magically live to because they have to be characters. And because of this conflict of expectation and knowledge, he had no emotional investment in any of the final scenes, or the people in them, and was left disappointed and uninterested in another season.
He tried to talk to me about the show after that but I just didn't have it in me. Nothing I wanted to gush or be excited about would resonate with him and he'd only put it down as dumb so it just sucked all the energy out of it for me.
I've never seen somebody ruin something for themselves so hard before.
I've played League so I knew since minute one who some of the main characters would be and still I think the show did amazing at creating high stakes for everyone. And if I remember right the only League champion at the end is Jayce so even with his argument, 90% of the people in there can die (and they have A LOT of champions, they can kill a few if they need to no problem hahaha) So sad that you couldn't keep talking with him about the show :(
@@laiaal.3324 Yeah. It was such a weird point of view that there was no point ever bringing it up again. Occasionally he'll mention when lamenting that "Arcane is the only video game to get get a show or movie right." But I just leave it alone.
....he didnt create jinx.... you did" I never meant to leave you! "You never left... i always heard you, shadows in the streets, prickles on the back of my neck... your *voice* pushing me, picking me up... when all the colors were black...you are the reason im still alive"
How can you watch and listen to these lines and not feel something?
@@adrenjones9301 I think it's more of he was there for the action and blood instead of the story. He went into the show with expectations of how the show is going to be and when it didn't fulfill what he thought it would be he says it's dumb. The show does have action and blood but not at the scale that he wanted/thought.
@@laiaal.3324 Viktor also is a champion but he looks much diffrent in the game
The first one sound like they enjoy that boring long intro with some dude explain all the lore, background and world building while everyone else sleeping
He wants tell don't show. The exact opposite of good storytelling
I simply don't like the art style and it's not for me people have choices and preferences it will be so boring if everyone likes 😴 same things
@@meiinuyasha literally no one asked.
@@meiinuyasha Uhh. The topic is about narrative style, how is art direction have anything to do with narrative?
@@meiinuyasha y thou I thought the art was strange and seemed a bit foreign at first but after a while I was awed when I couldnt tell the difference between hand drawn and cgi
I remember one of my writing teachers always told us 'the audience isn't stupid, you don't need to hold their hand and explain every last detail. There is a lot they will be able to infer from context'. I believed that whole heartedly, until that first review. Goddamn.
Don't let a race be determined by its slowest competitor.
mood, I love writing and the last thing you want to do is insult your readers but this person clearly wanted it told to them instead of shown to them.
ironic, isnt elobrate something hapening in the story you writing get you more marks? or you just over elobrate lol
The audience isn't stupid, it's only a few drooling idiots who, if left to their own devices, would fall face-first into a cowpat and suffocate. Despite not living near any cows.
Yeah I don’t know how the world building could be interpreted as bad. Within 40 minutes of the show without having any narrative shoved down our throat we can already understand the basics of the politics and situations if all the people that live in the over city and the foil of the under city
So basically whats stopping Arcane fron getting a deserved 10/10 was the brainless know it alls who didnt even pay attention to the show, the ones who doesnt know basic vocabulary, ones who doesnt know wtf the word "story" means, and the ones who only watched like less than half of episode 1 and then dipped...
So techniqually Arcane does have a 10/10 if you remove the 5 year olds
nah, arcane is indeed overrated. Dont get me wrong, its a pretty good show but its not nearl as god or "godlike" as some fans try to make it look. It happens the same with attack on titan, its a great show but overrated by fans.
@@elsotanodelhorror810 It is not overrated at all. There are very little shows that would not be overshadowed by it in comparison. I don't know any personally (but I also have not seen everything, still I've seen quite a bit)
Besides, 9 ANNIE awards say otherwise. And those are also perfectly in line with what the professional artists in my life say.
You can not like Arcane, or be neutral about it and such, perfectly fair, but to say it's anything less than excellence on an artistic and narrative level is just not seeing it for what it is.
@@elsotanodelhorror810 how is it overrated? Overrated means everybody is chatting about it and its being passed around and being obsessed over. I barely see anyone talking about arcane or see it in trending pages a lot. Its like calling prince of egypt overrated
@Lo Que Oculta La Oscuridad
Well, I agree 10/10 would imply perfection, and the show isn't perfect. But really, what is?
Nitpicking is just sad, and that said, 97% positive rating is perfect, or at least the best possible, all things considered! Actually, in a world with humans that will never fully agree with anything, having any rating above 95% is already a miracle!
This show is NOT overrated. Criticism is well received, I know the unique art style doesn't do it for many people, and perhaps a serious and dense show like Arcane isn't for some others (myself included, I much prefer comedies), but rarely I have seen anything as well done as Arcane.
Again, 97% is the right rating. The best rating. This show should be a gold standard for serious and dark storytelling.
@@elsotanodelhorror810 It only feels overrated because shows like this havent existed for quite some time and those that do dont usually stand out for its unique setting. Same with Attack On Titan. Intruige shouldnt overpower how you view a show. You may have the concept of "Demon Slayer" to be more interesting and intruiging to you but that shouldnt overpower how you view another shows' qualities. People outcry for that shows likeness because it really is that good it just doesnt fall under your qualities of interest thus leading to giving any benefit of the doubt. Attack On Titan is listed number 1 for a reason and Arcane got 9 annie awards on its release for a reason (breaking a record. They just ARE that good and personal taste shouldnt overshadow that. And even if thats not the main argument there are closer depictions of symbolism. The creators were indeed passionate about this project and it shows (Hence why they didnt higher famous actors and studio that didnt work on any league related content prior avoiding a Lion King 2 remake fiasco and why the project did so well as it did) There is literally a youtube shorts channel that goes over why arcane is so great if you want to go that far. You cant really call anything perfect but it is not overrated.
The first complaint is literally just someone being completely incapable of picking up context clues or doing the slightest bit of thinking beyond what is directly presented in front of them
I love how when the first one says "abysmal worldbuilding" they mean "the show did not spoonfeed exposition to me"
In a well-written story, the characters aren't gonna talk as if there's an audience there that needs explanations. You don't need every little detail to be explained when it can be inferred instead; that's what "show, don't tell" means. It makes the story more immersive.
He wants star wars text intros
I wonder if they would say the same thing about the lord of the rings (movies)? I don't think they explicitly give all of the backround for everything that happens, and just like arcane all that stuff is out there in the written work if you feel like you need it for the story.
Hell the only story that I know that really goes that deep into worldbuilding everything is wheel of time, and that only works because it is almost 12000 words over 14 books.
He enjoys the worldbuilding that I hate. Theres an introduction in the beginning showing the whole history of the world and never to be expanded ever
@@evilhutdug4665 what
@@imthepotato2727 Theres a narrator in the beginning talking about the plot of whatever you're watching and thats going to be most of the worldbuilding you'll ever see
"I don't like Jinx, she ruins everything everyone is supposed to do"
This has got to be my biggest facepalm ever...
The definition of "I want you to think about that sentence"
It HAS to be a troll. He litteraly called her "jimx". Gosh.
She is litteraly called jinx lmao
"Jinx ruins everything!"
*3 episodes dedicated to establishing that she's a JINX*
i dont think that was the point. whether they understood that her name means that or not, they're just trying to say they don't lke the character bc she ruins everything
I love how most of these negative reviews don't bother to elaborate or give examples of what aspects of the show they disliked. I honestly think it's more of an attempt to be 'different' than actually enjoying a legitimately well written show, where the story is masterfully told through the arcs this diverse cast of characters all undergo.
i think it has to with them being told what an incredible show this is and it is just MID AF with a great art
@@lapuris8762 nah its just trying to be quirky snd different by not liking it like everyone else
@@lapuris8762 This comment is a perfect example of what OP meant
@@lapuris8762 Ah yes "mid" there's a word that's definitely not overused by people who want to express their hatred of something but are too lazy to give actual criticism.
So they’re hipsters?
Jinx was actually extremely improved upon with this show, I might not be particularly fond of the game itself but the lore really makes me wish the game was better because THERE IS JUST SO MUCH
If you dont want to play the game, you can always read up the lore and backstories
@@ragedhydra I do, it still doesn't stop me from feeling cheated every time I try playing a round or two
@@someoneawesome8717 Perhaps you'll enjoy the MMORPG they're working on c:
@@someoneawesome8717 I mean........ MOBAs aren't RPG's, apart from voicelines you're not going to get much lore out of just playing the game, and that has never been the point of it. That they have such deep lore for the characters is literally just a bonus, seeing as what league is derived from (original dota) either had little to no background or lots because they were characters with backstory to begin with, in frozen throne. Blizzards games reuses the characters from WoW which as you know is an RPG.
It's pretty much unheard of that a game that isn't reliant on a story for gameplay still has this much lore to read up on, and outside of little character concepts, it didn't really seem like they were planning on making the world so vast in early stages. They've rewritten lore over the years as they realised this is something they wanted to focus on. Putting effort into making new characters appealing, making them have special interactions and such. With that said, the game is STILL not storybased, never was, and a huge chunk of the players didn't know much of the lore until Arcane. It's just always been a fun thing to delve into for the nerdier part of the fanbase.
Expecting a MOBA to put in more story than LoL has into the actual gameplay is absolutely ridiculous. Instead, they'll have to make other games to tell these stories, WHICH THEY ARE ALREADY DOING, with Blade of the ruined king, for example. Not to mention the literal 3 and a half hours of cinematics they've released, that focus more and more on story with each. Cheesus.
I think the problem is within you if you're not enjoying the game. it can be played in many ways. Its my favorite game that i always come back to. Its got so much diversity with champions/builds etc. it does have its ups and downs like all online games and games in general. I do hope they make a story driven game aswell. That would be so awesome. And if you havn't already try ruined king. it was really awesome in my opinion.
Just imagine them ending the show with everyone - Jinx and Vi and Silco and Caitlyn and literally everyone - holding hands and singing Kumbayaa
thanks you just made me WHEEZE
LMAOOOO
Honestly? After the heartbreak that was ep9, I would be okay with this.
LMAO 🤣🤣🤣
I choked
proof that not all opinions are born equal or deserve respect.
In this case the opinions in the video was just trash hate
All opinions deserve to be heard, but only a few deserve respect.
@@randybellwood1778 I disagree with your opinion.
It's what's wrong with the internet, people keep waving around "Freedom of speech" and being "honesty is the best policy" and "You're perfect be yourself" people are too positive sometimes. Moderation should be applied to everything. Like alcohol, chocolates, spending, Good or Bad.
Now what do we get? Obesity, toxicity and bad information spreading.
@@VanxHelsing03 You're wrong and I'm right, end of discussion.
I love it when shows leave stuff to us to figure out, big and small. I'm bad at social cues but I'm so proud of myself if I notice (for example) that a character has a crush to someone by their demeanor. It's like a learning game for me. I like being challenged to think for myself.
4:11 I’m so unbelievably confused about this review.
“There’re better TV shows out there, not many these days…” Doesn’t that mean that this show IS better than most TV shows out there these days? How else is this understood? Wtf? How do you give a TV show that is better than most other TV shows a .5 star rating?
Honestly, his explanation was horrid but i think he meant that there are shows out there that are better than Arcane that you should watch instead.
I think the intent was, "Almost all television today is terrible, not that you peasants can tell real culture from this corporate filth. 👃"
I don't trust anyone who doesn't like Arcane's art style cause it's amazing
fair tbh
Thats a fact
facts
Unless they prefer Live action. But somehow can't bring themselves to take animation seriously. Or just considers animation to be for family kid content.
Ngl, I'm fine with haters of the art style. It's amazing and whatnot but perhaps the styles could not be your fancy. Besides maybe some people just don't like Piltover and Zaun, which is also kinda fair? But I still think hate that or not you should think it a decent show.
for the first review... it really shows how media has transformed in the recent years. the fact that, in their eyes, "good world-building" is to basically have a narrator tell you the history of everything and anything right from the get-go instead of having the watcher experience things and piece together aspects along the way, is kind of sad.
i thought the world-building was fantastic, especially since it's from an already existing game. i've never played LoL, don't know anything about it, but i was still engrossed in the show and understood things perfectly fine. i like how the directors didn't assume that everyone already knew who the characters were, what was happening, etc. etc. it felt real and fleshed out, and it's obvious that a lot of care was put into making the show consumable and enjoyable for _everyone,_ rather than just LoL fans.
Yeah, imagine you want to tell this story about a few people in one well written city and someone expects you to start at Aurelion Sol creating the sun
@@isur4k Lol, like, "In the beginning there was a giant space dragon he pooped out the sun, fastforward a couple million years and *voila* here's Arcane."
Over exposition is horrible, and I think we almost got all the information we needed in arcane , I say almost because I'd like to have seen a bit more of how the relations between Zoun and Piltover changed after the murder of their head of police , seems like it would have been a big deal. Other that that it was great.
@@Acceleration50 Don't forget the primal demons, the void , the establishment and fall of mordekaisers Noxus , and swain getting possessed by a demon, since they've mentioned Noxus it's the information we need lol
Gawd I hate any show that starts with a world building info-dump. It's just so lazy. Their worlds are never as unique as they think and it's not that hard to explain why the elves are at war with the dragons or whatever through a few well placed lines of dialogue.
I had a really rough time with arcane. Definitely a good show, just hard to watch at times. I get really attached to characters and hate to see them die (physically or mentally) That being said I've watched and finished both Arcane and Attack on Titan. Love them just as much as I hate them!
That's normal when it comes to this types of shows right now I'm reading a book and i like it but i just feel bad for the characters and the world they live its so horrible that Is hard to read but i like it
Same
I literally had to stop at some moments midways through the episodes, cause it just got really difficult to continue
Same
Same
You thought Arcane was a hard time but you've also see Attack on Titan? That anime is brutal with it's character retention.
I can't imagine watching every episode of a show then sitting down after it's finished like "I have no idea what that was about but thank god it's over" that is fucking insanity.
There are sooo many people who consume their entertainment like that, you'd be surprised.
They get home from work, has low energy, and can't expand upon their attention span due to this. Then proceed to put on a well received show, only to snooze away because they've already spent their energy on school or work. But then they have the audacity to also dump their completely invalid opinion on us after. The entitlement is mind boggling.. But it's not entirely their fault though.
I did that once, because I found an anime that was so shit that I thought I could use it as a benchmark for 1/10 quality
Shows went downhill when they began spoon-feeding their viewers. Props to Arcane for actually putting effort into the story with subtle hints and twists instead of holding the viewers hand to get them to understand the story.
Yeah, the reviews criticizing Arcane for not getting the information spoon-fed have it completely backwards.
Arcane's ability to tell so much while saying so little is _precisely_ what makes its writing (and animation) so good.
Thankfully, Arcane's giant success shows that by and large, people do appreciate this kind of storytelling. So there is at least no financial incentive for dumbing it down in Season 2.
As far as I can tell magic never got explained, and the world only doesn’t spoon feed because it’s basic. Rich people vs poor people.
Looking at you Game of Thrones....
ruined the 1,111 likes, sorry dude :(
"There is no world building"
**Proceeds to read a list of world building elements well portayed within arcane**
We're listening
Don’t be shy, read us the list
Imagine needing exposition to understand a world where "the rich get richer while the poor people suffer, and the rich do not seem to notice or care." I assume that person is quite rich and does not know this is a perfect mirror of real life, thus not requiring explanation.
They want an whole documentary or what? if you gonna make a fictional world for a story the only things you need to explain Is what is important to the story and i don't think Arcane's world Is that hard to understand
I came into arcane with absolutely NO knowledge of league of legends, and I'm literally obsessed with this show. Soooo excited for season 2!
Been trying to get my husband to watch this show with me because I really think he'd like it, but he refuses to watch solely because it's League and he doesn't like the art style and "the characters don't look appealing." He absolutely refuses to give it a shot even though his brother and I praise it so often.
I for one love this show, it's honestly in my top 5 favorite shows right now. It's absolutely gorgeous.
Yea, i met many a people refusing to watch just because it’s not indie enough or there’s an IP behind it
@@justintimeleave1360 But it wouldn't be in such a good artiststic quality if it didn't have funding from some big studio. And even the artstyle itself adds to its narrative. At the same time it is Netflix and Netflix failed once depicting illnesses. Show "13 Reasons Why" did a lot harm to people who struggle with depression. Hence they think it is better to be safe than sorry. And some is with LoL. Writting of some characters can be one toxic joke. Like it was once in case of Dr. Mundo. They wrote him as masochist without even knowing what masochists go through. Sometimes a gem like Arcane happens but just because the show is popular it doesn't mean it is any good.
@@karolinakuc4783 I don’t understand your point. I think funding doesn’t mean it will have good artistic quality and vice versa. There are plenty of good series made by indies and many bad series made by big corps. It’s all about the passion of the studio to do things right. There’s no perfect series that makes everyone happy. But imo, if you the viewer are asking questions and challenging it, it means the series provoked your thought or cause people to think about the implications. That’s a series that has done its job. A series that doesn’t challenge the narrative is just bland that tries to please everyone won’t gain popularity to begin with.
@@karolinakuc4783 Just to be clear, Netflix had no involvement with Arcane until it was finished. They just bought exclusive streaming rights.
My gf was like 'noooo im not watchig arcane' they also made fun kf me for enjoying south park but now ive shown them that i generally like REALLY GOOD IPs they take my word for it. The way i got them to watch arcane was spam tiktok edits to them lol and now they are really enjoying it!! Said it was the first peice o media to make them cry in a VERY long time :3
I've literally rewatched the show multiple times _just_ to look at people's expressions. I absolutely _adore_ Viktor and Jinx's faces and eyes. They're beautiful.
Your pfp goes well with your username
@@b.bird. 🏳️🌈😌
@@ittybittyrampagingcommittee Never forget when Mel caught Jayce and Viktor trying to bust Heimerdinger's office Viktor's instinct was to lie he was trying to sneak a boy into his room
"Wait, this isn't my room"
@@b.bird. Homie really told the entire fandom, "Yeah, I've snuck boys into my bedroom before. What about it?"
_Never forget when Jayce "cheated" on Vik (and the Hextech), letting him drop while he was fucking Mel._
#HextechBeforeSextech
The face Viktor makes in ep 3 when Jayce asks him if he knows what he's doing is priceless. Also in ep 3, Vi makes a split second facial expression when she calls Powder a jinx, right when she says Mylo's name, her face goes from teeth-clenching anger to sorrow for a brief moment. The level of facial detail in Arcane is mind blowing.
i bet they hated how we never heard any of the characters thoughts out loud , but only saw emotions and facial expressions.
they prolly never understood any of these scenes.
exactly, the animation team did SO good showing subtle things in body language and consistent actions like in times of stress etc.
@@gazblackheart4596 another impressive thing is that they didn't motion-capture. Amazing.
Yeah well. I am pretty sure, some of the haters watched a lot of anime, where literally every move and every thought is being voiced to the viewer, as if a viewer have no brain to think stuff over and understand visuals food, not the verbal one.
I mean, I've watched some anime too, I have nothing against them, but that annoying talking over talking, makes me sick.
Arcane has great expressions. You can tell by the look on character's face, what's going on in their head. Almost like read their mind, their worries. I absolutely love the series.
"I AM GOING THROUGH VERY INTENSE FEELINGS OF GUILT AND ANXIETY RIGHT NOW GAAAHHH" - What these people who can't hope to detect nuance of regular human behavior actually want the mental breakdown scene to be
@@EllieofAzeroth Voice off don't sound lol ke that, i sometimes it's necessary, not even the most expressive face can tell exactly what a person it's think...
You know I never really found jinx annoying, actually I found her quite endearing because I, and I believe a lot of other people, can sympathize with what she represents. She has really low self esteem along with being cursed to turn everything she touches to dirt but despite that she still tries to over come it and help her family and it was mostly because she had immense trust in her sister who provided her with support and a safe space to go back to every time she failed.
All of that coming crumbling down and blowing up when she lost her last lifeline really hit home. I think a lot of people can empathize with her desperate and possibly virtuous struggle to overcome all of the terrible things that life has dealt to her and how easy it is to (as she did) fall apart and descend into chaos after losing the one thing that supported her in her fight. But this story also shows the consequences of giving in and allowing yourself to descend into chaos. It shows that if you give in, not only will things you touch merely turn into dirt but you will turn the environment around you into hell, dragging everything you once believed in down with you while simultaneously evaporating any possibility for heaven to shine through.
I'm not religious but only religious terminology seemed to capture the meaning I wanted to express
Shes just a badass character. i love her. my favorite. I also liked powder but jinx is honestly more captivating and enjoyable to watch.
very well said
@Over Salt I bet you're someone who adores HxH and black clover
@@skellymon1771 nah tbf he right, jinx and victor had pretty good backstory, reasoning in victors case and insanity in jinx’s. Though they aren’t even shown enough, instead we get boring scenes with Vi making random decisions for seemingly no reason, or just a bunch of politics.
@@groovygoblin4152 Vi making dumb decisions for no reason hmm, almost like Vander called her out for being impulsive and always looking to solve things with her fists. The show literally established that Vi doesn't exactly think and she loves to punch first, ask questions later. The show is a year old and is still universally praised for a reason. And politics are necessary for world building.
2:21 As you read this review, I had the idea of this person "watching the show" by staring at a blank wall, until this point.
No world building, confusing characters, ....what the heck was this person on?!
I have to agree with you. If I'm watching a show that I soon start disliking or hating, I'm going to stop and move on to something else.
I loved this show so dang much. I need a season 2 now, but I'll wait for more greatness.
I mean. think everyone is different and they might have though that it would get better. I have done the same but if i though it was honestly 1/10 i would certainly not finish it. maybe i would give it 4 episodes.
These people be like “the villain was so annoying all they did was ruin everyone’s day and do villainous stuff” 😂😂😂
well, i think that Jinx's role is more, than just a "villain", in my opinion..
@@wellidontknow1941 jinx is just jinx. She's crazy, troubled, confused, mentally ill etc. She's not a villain, a hero or an anti hero. She's just a jinx.
Jimx sounds like they need to be their own character. She'd look exactly like Jinx but with a backwards hat and casual clothing.
Jimx: The mentally stable, calm version of Jinx
Jimx
Jinxs alter ego where everything goes right
Jinx is a punk rocker, Jimx is a B-Girl.
Jinx “messes everything up” for everyone, Jimx’s friends see her as their lucky charm.
@@rosesongoku6980 Jimx was the kind of girl whose smile could heal wounds and giggle could make allies out of enemies. She burned so bright she was gone before she even existed.
@@TheRawrnstuff She’s so precious and perfect that she’s a wonderfully sweet and tragic paradox. She exists, yet she cannot exist.
I remember looking up bad reviews myself and all I saw was some, really stupid shit.
"It wasn't anime enough"
"It's just a cartoon"
"The characters don't fit their Lol personalities exactly"
Arcane is an example of masterful writing. They delivered an amazing story rich in plot, set in a diverse world while displaying a range of complex characters and personalities. It's flexible and ambiguous enough to not force the viewer into thinking one way or another about anything at all. They don't tell us who to like or to hate, who is "good" or who isn't. Arcane beautifully presented us with a believable world and society with struggles that match our own day to day lives. I hope another season gets greenlight.
Pretty sure the people who “watched” the whole show and still hated it actually just had it on in the background while playing on their phones the entire time.
This is quite possible actually. I want to believe that was the reason... ... pls... let me believe that.
I watched the show while doing puzzles and I still love it XD I mean... most of the time I would stop it to follow the show because it's so good but yeah... they probably didn't even try to give it a chance
@@zalhiami same was playing games and also loved it.
I watched the show but i just didn't care about any of the characters. I hated jinx so much that i couldn't even care about the show anymore.
"world building is bad, can't tell whose who"
Yeah lets not just pay attention to our main 2 leads who have Very Distinct hair styles
And came from a very different living environment
@@blazingstorm9351 And one is depicted as an Lesbian without being so cause "Diversity"
Who _are_ they though?! One time it's Powder, then it's Jinx, It JuSt DoEsN't MaKe SeNsE!
It's hilarious they said "idk who to think is good or bad". Truly an NPC who needs to be told how to feel and what to believe, even just about fictional characters.
@@Pheonixess I actually think THATS THE POINT lol you are supposed to be in a grey area where you can understand the motivations and sympathize with people on both sides to show there is no clear cut "good" or "evil" and everyone is flawed and has trauma. I guess some people don't like things not being clearly defined but I think that's the best part.
I don't understand how people can hate the world building lol. I think Arcane did an amazing job at building the two cities, the separate societies & politics, and the characters themselves. Did these people want an Avatar style exposition intro for every episode? (I'm not saying or implying that Avatar is a bad show or that the opening is bad, I just think Arcane wouldn't benefit from something like that.)
Never played LoL on PC but when Wild Rift dropped, got into it. So when Arcane hit, gave it a chance and was blown away to see characters given so much life and emotion.
Took me two months to convince my mother the plot was worth it, (this is NOT her type of show at all, nor does she care a thing about video games,) and by the second episode even she was hooked.
How people can leave negative reviews blows my mind and also makes me question their intelligence.
I am so shook by the amount of people going "what is this even about" or "why should we care", but it sounds like they've never experienced fantasy before. Bc every piece of fiction is "why should we care" until the writer gives you things to relate to and fall in love with and causes for the characters actions, and most fantasy is told in a fantasy world bc they're reflecting real world issues and real world trauma, you don't have to be a frickin psychologist to note the stress on class and opposites in the show. Ugh people X)
yeah, I had a friend who said something like that when he watched it - I think he was expecting a quest or an alien invasion or something that the characters would deal with, rather than it just really being a character drama.
You will realize eventually that intelligence and common sense are below average for the population.
Tons of people literally need to be told Who they should care about, and why.
@@pixadavid yeah I guess like they want a "Frodo has to take the ring to mordor" kinda deal but not every story has to have that, lots of stories you just watch the events unfold or if there are major goals they might sometimes be more short term. Also even with LOTR, if you just went in completely blind you wouldn't know what the final quest is until pretty far into fellowship.
@@discolullaby5777 You have even more ppl that needs to have good guys to relate to and bad guys to hate.
Their brain can't handle realistic character developement.
I really hope they don't think the same way in real life...
@@Roxar96 yeah I know right imagine having morally grey characters. No it has to be black and white or else it’s too hard to understand.
"Arcane is bad because too many story lines"
Apparently some people have not developed object permanence despite reaching adulthood and also can't keep more than one story running parallel in their head when it's not right in front of them, on top of being incapable of inferring worldbuilding as new information is presented to them.
I dare this guy to read the Wheel of Time (ignore the show, oof) and its diverging stories and PoVs, lol.
Having many storylines isn't a problem, but what is a problem is having storylines that run past each other and don't connect and impact each other. Arcane did that generally pretty well, except for Victor who isn't very much involved with Piltover's struggle and is focusing rather on himself.
@@tarmairon431 Are you sure Viktor is selfish on this one? He gave Jayce lots of chances to make the Hextech work, hell he participates to improve the system and invent something that could be a cure for his people in Zaun. Piltover doesn't have much problems excepting the fact that they have to deal with Zaunites rebelling against them. There are political issues, because Heimerdinger didn't care about Zaun until he has been given retirement. Jayce and Viktor have the rights to rebel against his arrogance because he's not thinking wisely enough, and everyone is in danger because of how protective and ignorant he is. Meanwhile Viktor on the other hand is willing to risk everything to get something out from the hexcore. Heck, he even told Jayce to destroy the hexcore after he got traumatized for accidentally bringing his assistant up to his secret act of improving his body parts with shimmer and the power of Hexcore. How can you tell that's a selfish act if he's willing to do anything to try and help everyone who is struggling in life just like him? Even for his people? Have you even watched the full show or rewatch some scenes after you did?
Piltover isn't struggling much because they're being greedy on the imports and use Hextech as some kind of device for improving the money-makings. If you listen to the councilors bit of mockery after Jayce told them to shut down the Hexgates, you can see how they only see the lack of imports could be a problem to them. They're already so fucking rich that they could have enough supplies and such to help the people from the Undercity.
And bruh, you should have read Viktor's stories, he even helped a kid from getting bullied, he's trying to help people. He can be normally wholesome but still twisted as he is crossing some lines. Plus he helped Jayce fixing up his inventions whenever he feels like it. They're frenemies. He's just an anti-hero.
@@xxstar-bluesxx I think you misunderstood my comment. I didn't mean that Victor is selfish, but that his struggle doesn't impact the other characters except Jayce. In the show he has little impact on the conflict between the Upper and the Under City.
@@tarmairon431 Oh. Sorry, because I got triggered about the word you described on Viktor. Thought that you really meant that.
... Actually, yeah, you got a point there. Jayce is the only character who dearly cares for Viktor while the councilors, especially Mel and Heimerdinger ignored his condition. He's getting weak throughout the season. Yet Mel only saw Viktor as.. nothing special nor important, but only to Jayce. Which is toxic and arrogant of a councilor she can be-- There goes my Mel-hate side.
Heimerdinger didn't get much any concerns about Viktor dying. But the lame excuse of seeing his students died years after years is pretty much bullshit for him to not care for his assistant who literally helped Jayce to create the Hextech and the Hexgates. Which is one of the most revolutionary thing they have done, and Heimerdinger treated Viktor as just a mere human being with smarts who can just die anytime. Yet he didn't help Viktor nor even try to.
The only character who have gotten the impact from Viktor's condition is just Jayce, the rest doesn't know nor even shown any much concerns. Mel? Mel only felt bad for Jayce, but never for Viktor, which is why I'm bitter at this bitch who literally manipulated him for the investments. Jayce is literally the only person who worries about Viktor's sickness, and Heimerdinger didn't even came to the hospital which is fucked up for the man.... God Season 2 is going to be a real real angsty ride downhill, even for Viktor. He might snap someday.
@@tarmairon431 I don't think that is a problem, they are slowly building the path of a major character for the next seasons, probably being one of the main big villains. But I really like how they give him the time to breathe as a secondary character, developing the seed of evil and giving him a strong motivation. This season ended settling how different he is from Jayce, while still mantaining their friendship. But that friendship will not be forever.
This happens in game of thrones too, some characters are just background secondaries without major role in the main story, but is important to have them developed a little before the time to shine comes.
At 3:58 I like how when they have a period they don’t put a space after it that is just like, what? Surely everyone knows to put spaces after a sentence
I personally grew up without touching LoL, and it wasn’t until yesterday that I actually went to go watch Arcane from the curiosity of just simply ignoring it for at least 8 months after its release on Netflix.
My immediate thoughts were, “This is kinda boring.” It didn’t immediately resonate with me because the first few seconds just weren’t enough to capture my attention.
I was about to stop it and probably rewatch it another time but I told myself to, “Just wait.” And I did, and now I don’t know what to say except point out that those people are truly missing out or that they are just too full of themselves to ever notice literally everything that speaks traumatic in this story.
People who say it sucks, are the very people who brush off a hellish trauma x1000 like it isn’t worth their time.
I guess they are too focused on the fact of what should be set in stone for them, and I get it. But just because you aren’t spoon fed so delicately, doesn’t mean the food itself is bad. Clearly some horizons need to be broadened if you expect T.V. shows to match your learning curve.
Man, I went into Arcane with NO BACKGROUND and absolutely loved it by the end. Every episode raising the stakes of both the world and each characters personal journey is just good writing. And when it reached its boiling point where absolute ruin or the best possible solution were the only two outcomes, it got Shakespearian. I just WISH there were a game set in this world. Like a massive multiplayer online experience where we could follow these threads and experience and effect the conflict between Zaun and Piltover...
I hope Riot games gets around to it eventually.
this is funny. and good to you.
cause RIOT GAMES developes MMORPG based on Universe of Arcane, which is huge.
Same, I had zero knowledge about the game
Same.
Riot is making a new game base on the League of Legends world, Runeterra. it's an MMORPG where you can make your own character and explore this universe online! I'm so excited about it, I think you'll like this too.
pretty sure they announced an mmo coming out in like 2 years which honsetly cant wait for
3:10 it’s actually kind of funny how the reviewer is claiming arcane is only liked by kids when i’ve seen mainly older teenagers/adults being fans of the show
and the jayce and mel in bed scene
It’s also not a kids show- it was never even meant to be one. Animation doesn’t mean it’s a kids show- people are whack man
Also, I’d be concerned if kids liked the show… considering the heavy subjects and the language.
isnt rated r or something
@@lihagdgyusvxxjjh4042 i think it’s tv14, so adolescents can watch it but definitely not kids
Why is no one mentioning that the one complaining you haven’t aged mentally if you like the show 3:34 was literally written by “MegaMindMurder”.
You know what "weird" music choice I found, episode two when they played 'Our Love' as Vi begins to turn herself in. What an odd music choice. But it worked amazingly. Like that's not the song you'd expect to play at a scene like that, this 70s groove song being played over as Enforcers march down the streets of Zaun and Vi waits anxiously. Absolutely interesting and beautiful choice!!
My friend didn’t like arcane and all I could think was how… he was telling the plot was a mess and the jinx is confusing is she a protagonist or an antagonist. Thats the her plot figuring out which to be it’s not hard.
No spoon feed for him=bad show.
Tell your friend that a protagonist doesn’t make them a good person. Just the main character-
That's terrible percieving it as a hero/villian instead of a protagonist/antagonist lmao
Literally every character has a dark and a light side to them. They are totally 3D like real people! Go tell your friend to watch nineties disney movies, I'm sure they'll be thrilled by Scar, Simba, Jafar, and Allading as our OBVIOUS af heroes and villains.
The protagonist isn't supposed to be a good person,is the main character in my opinion
I was about to recommend the show to some friends yet realized they didn't have a long enough attention span to understand a show that doesn't spoon feed them information.
I love the show for not spoon feeding me. Show instead of telling us exposition or info dumping. Humans are intelligent enough to put 2 things together but people don’t use that skill enough.
@@naruchancutie1 That """skill""" :p
Remember when our ancestors had to connect at least 2 neurons or they DIED ? xDD
@@CrolyGiart I have a friend who says he doesn’t like anime, yet he has never watched one. Like, dude, you cannot say that you don’t like anime when you haven’t even watched one. His opinion is based entirely off of it “looking weird”(which is understandable; a lot of anime seem hella weird). When Arcane first aired, I told myself that I would never watch it because it was based off of LoL which is, well, _LoL_ . I walked in on my sister watching it and decided to watch a bit, fully prepared to scoff and walk out of the room, having confirmed that the show was every bit as bad as I expected.
It wasn’t. It was far, *_far_* better than what I expected.
I found myself eagerly awaiting the release of each arc. The artstyle, the animation, the music, the characters, all of it was so incredibly done. And I’m a huge Star Wars fan, but Arcane, dare I say, made me believe Jinx to be an arguably more compelling character than Darth Vader.
@@CrolyGiart "some people just dont have a good attention span."
-> It's not because they don't have a good attention span, it's because they don't even try to pay attention. I have ADD and can watch a show without problem ^^
Put netflix on a second monitor is a stupid idea, it simply makes noises, light and exhaust your brain for no reason at all '-'
If you ask me all those ppl addicted to tones of stimulus for nothing are sicks and it's even sadder if they can't enjoy a good show or movie lol
@@ROB-cj4kqhuh thats weird cause my dad was the one to say, "hey watch this show called arcane its really good", and he doesnt even knowanything about league, i bet u he doesnt know it exists
3:42 “that’s a straight up a definition of a hater right there” no that’s the definition of a five year old
I literally just finished this series. I have never played League Of Legends and I’m sure a large majority of the fan base is on that same boat, which I think is pretty cool too. The entire project completely put me in deep awe. I completely fell in love with this show just from watching the first few min of the first episode, the entire universe, all the characters and that soul wrenching storyline. And the characters were all just so intriguing, I adore them all lol. The animation style is just brilliant and superb! Absolutely loved the style and is one of the main things that instantly drew me in. You can see and feel the amount of time, effort, and love that went into making it as beautiful and resilient as it truly is! I cried, laughed, and shouted during the course of watching this masterpiece. I know it’ll probably be a little while, though not as long of a wait it took making the first season to release but, whew! I am on board and ready for what’s next to come, awestruck baby! This show fucking KILLS BRO!!!! 🤘🏻💚💜
I saw someone leave a review that contained the sentence: "The romance is absolutely lazy with no chemistry."
...did we watch the same show? Have they seen Vi and Caitlyn?
Edit: you guys can have your opinions but can we please just not argue. thanks.
They were def talking about mel and jayce 🤚🙄/hj
@@lilywhetsell8106 LMAO
I honestly think Vi and Caitlyn fell in love a little too fast. I feel like it could've transitioned from budding interest to separation anxiety to almost a breakup scene more smoothly.
What? When did Caitlin and Vi become lesbians? Why don't I know about this? And if you're talking about "intimacy" in "Oil and Water"? This is easily explained by their emotional state. Imagine that I'm not gay: I joke about this topic and really like to tease a friend - this does not make me and my friends gay.
@@Caerulean i see that but they did go through a lot of situations that would make you have to trust the other person/ become closer & they saved eachothers lives multiple times (cait more than vi lol). I mean it could have gone slower but then i feel like some ppl would complain that it was too slow.
Also theyre both hot, id fall in love that fast too😂😭 but fr i also think vi has been in prison for so long and cait is probably the 1st person to show her affection in a very long time. + vi flirts w cait a lot so that had something to do w it.
It could have gone slower but then we wouldnt get so many good scenes with them haha fair trade imo.
Also i think cait/ vi were a kind of reparation for having to watch jayce and mel's relationship lol.
They probably could of had more in between moments tho tbh
(Also i hope none of this came off badly, im not trying to argue. I just enjoyed their dynamic and wanted to explain why it made sense to me!)
7:00 “Did the makers of the series hire a bunch of people in a sweatshop in China to Mark every One star review as Not helpful?”
No, I volunteered
Thanks for the chuckle. Now I'm actually considering doing that whenever I happen to be bored.
"terrible worldbuilding! i wasn't spoonfed the answers to everything and was forced to think for myself about who i think is good or bad"
What I loved about Arcane is you could pause it at any moment and it looked like a painting. I didn't know anything about League of Legends but that didn't stop me from thoroughly enjoying this series.
As someone familiar with that field, I wish Arcane got more recognition for how hard it is to make a 3D render look like a 2D digital painting.
5:10 Art style extremely jarring? What did I just read? The entire show from beginning to end is absolutely gorgeous with phenomenal animation, especially the faces which feel like real life human faces. You can pause any frame and you could use it as a poster from the show, it just looks amazing.
I'm sorry... Once Metal Gear Solid creator said that arcane is the best art
Some people are... I dunno the term for it. It's like being colourblind, but instead of being colourblind, you can see colour normally, but you're just really stupid.
I think the faces look ugly BECAUSE they look like human faces. Humans are ugly, stylistic art that takes away unnecessary wrinkles and crevices make faces look less human but prettier. To each his own tho.
@@heathencaerus4046 well that's the point, the animators need to make the characters more humans, not perfect people, so the audience can emphasize with them, like, just like jinx, you can understand her only by a fast glimpse.
Ugly and beauty is subjective in this context, is ugly because show that the character are humans with emotions, and that's make the art beautiful
@@heathencaerus4046 Humans aren't ugly, also, they don't need to make the characters look hot in every shot.
I love the last one. it's just... funny. "Everyone tries their best to do something, and viola jinx is there to ruin it all" it's almost like that's the plot. Almost like that's why her name is jinx in the first place. It's almost like there was a 3 episode build up as to why she messes everything up.
2:45 nah that shit goes to fuckin squid game
5:19 But that's the beauty of the show! It's not supposed to end with all the characters skipping off holding hands. It's characters, conflicted people, trying to fit back into the mould of something that another would perceive them as. It's not happy, it's tragic, and that's what makes it a masterpiece.
Here's a fun story:
My dad suggested watching it and I was like "meh. League of Legends? Meh. I'm sure this show isn't gonna be super great." Then we watched the first two and I was hooked. I was so involved and intrigued by ALL of the characters. The art style reminded me of Dishonored and so I loved it. Then the music? Don't get me started. The voice acting was just stunning too. I cannot stop thinking about this freaking show.
It took me 4 episodes to get me interested, u just 2 episodes?
@@syedakmal4748 i was interested since the first 5 minutes of the first episode but was hooked at the third ep
That's what it reminded me of! Dishonored. My mind was grasping for something I'd once seen or played in relation to the visual style of Arcane, but I just couldn't recall what it was.
How old is your dad
@@syedakmal4748 so you watch 4 episodes while not being interesed? tf is wrong with you?
The ones who reference hating the game are pretty self explanatory. And a portion are going to check out just for having characters in same sex relationships. But the ones decrying the world building and story... I almost feel bad. Arcane is a top shelf fantasy effort. If you love the genre but if you can't get into this, entertainments going to be pretty disappointing.
Update: Turns out there's also a sliver of folks who see the whole thing as feminist propaganda. Go figure.
Omfg ive seen that "arcane is woke propaganda" way too much (thankfully not a whole lot but still too much haha) like god forbid a show has gay people or strong women in it😭
@@lilywhetsell8106 I saw a tweet when it first came out saying "ofcourse RIOT make a story about how overthrowing corrupt leaders is bad" and I was like... you really watched the show and just made up some shit to fit your anti RIOT games agenda
@@patchycb lmao fr. And like... isnt overthrowing corrupt leaders a good thing anyway??😭
I HAte the game, not because its "LoL so i hate it" i just fucking hate the gameplay, for me its slow and boring, i simply do not like Moba style games, be it Dota or HoS.
I do like the univers tho, and i absolutly loved the show, its the ONE show of recent years that i was like "YES I WANT MORE INJECT THE FUCKING THING IN MY VEINS"
@@lilywhetsell8106 Honestly there is nothign Woke in this, Female characters leads are indeed Strong Indenpendant Woman, but they are miles from the Mary Sues and obnoxious female Lead that Netflix/Hollywood as being trying to feed us in the last couple of years.
They have flaws, they are nuanced, their Skills don't come out of the blue for no reason, they had a bit of talent and worked/trained for it to Master it.
They have vulnerable sides to them.
It doesn't automaticly paint the Male cast as inept, stupid or out right evil, they are also Nuanced with their Strenghts and Flaws and they all have to some extent a Grey area and all of them be it the Female or male characters are relatable.
The "Rich Vs the Poor" is nothing new, its a tale as old as time, but it is also something very relatable and easy to understand.
If anything Arcane is Based as fuck.
rando 1 * review: no backgroud story
the first 3 episodes: am i a joke to you
It's the most incredible thing to see a show that is so universally hyped and loved and it's NOT overrated in the slightest. Arcane deserves every bit of praise is gets.
You don’t even have to like arcane to realize it’s brilliance. I challenge someone to give a serious and accurate critique on why it’s not a good show
I’ll gladly take up your challenge!
Vi calls Caitlyn a cupcake. I have an irrational hatred of the word “cup.”
It’s just an unappealing sounding word to me, it has a harsh start with ‘C’, a ‘U’ that promises a nice tongue rolling which is then undercut by an abrupt ending with ‘P’ (“Cake” also borders in this same territory for me, but it’s saved by the connotations of sweet sponge and marzipan).
But it’s not just the word itself, it’s Vi insistence on using it as a pet name for Caitlyn, trying to convince me that it’s pleasant word and just pushing and preaching this cupcake agenda. It irritates me and nearly ruins an amazing romance.
@@EditedAF987
she calls her cupcake because caitlyn has both cups and cakes
@@kyawlintun2409 does she though? I mean I know she’s rich and all but I don’t recall her actually interacting with any food or drink during the season.
@@EditedAF987 it's a joke man
but her family is actually known for loving cupcakes in the lore
@@kyawlintun2409 wtf fr?? 😂
4:17 ahhhh, yes. The famous "etc"
Good idea for a series! Thanks for the laughs!
oh man, don't get me started. I was so mad when I checked some of these reviews. Of course everyone has different taste so not everyone have to love this show 100%. But these 0/10 reviews are just ridiculous. But I'm not even surprised when I look around me how dumb this society is these days.
Check out the genius that said "i do not see this show as deserving of 10 or 9 stars. Overhyped." Or smth along these words. And then gives it a 1star. Because from 9... the next number is just 1, obviously. There are no other numbers in between. Trolls be trolls. If not for them, the show would have 9.8 or more
@@ragael1024 yeap exactly the logic of these kind of people.
@@ragael1024 social media breeds narcist's. they don t rate their opinion. they make up "the correct rating" in their heads and give a rating to "correct" the existing average aka 1 or 10 star. you see this pretty often in the comments.
Tbh I read most of these and automatically assume they are trolls rather than have genuine dislike of the show. There are always those that will use the negative to gain attention to themselves or to create discord,. As such they are beneath my attention
some people might even argue that vi and caitlyn’s relationship was too subtle to be considered real representation, but these people still think that’s a “woke agenda”😭😭how miserable
Their relationship didn’t really feel romantic to me as much as it felt like Vi was trying to annoy Caitlyn with the same jab, and it went from working to turning Caitlyn on over the course of the show.
@@jeffy1862 Hmm yes they are just really good friends
@@blobpoop457 It was clearly setting up for a romance, it just didn't feel like it was at that point yet.
@INeedCoffee r u saying being gay is political 🤨
@@persona2is whatever being gay is good is a political question, whatever being gay should be praised in media is a political question.... Not "being gay" itself.
This show is the epitome of the philosophy of Show, don’t tell. If people don’t think it has good world Building, they’re not paying any attention. In the show, they show the same locations being changed by the times. Characters changing and growing as the show progresses. Relationships being built on the ideas of their own philosophies as well as their cultural philosophies. I went into this show knowing nothing about League of Legends, and I understand so much about it just from watching this show. It’s a masterclass in world building!
As someone who really isn't a fan of LoL as a game, it took me a while to get around to watching it. The art style finally pulled me in though, I hadn't even bothered looking at reviews.
Literally binge watched the entire thing over 2 nights...
I would say though, the one saying the art style is jarring? I can understand that. While I loved the art style as a whole and the characters, environments etc, it was absolutely gorgeous... The explosions I did find to be jarring as they didn't actually match the rest of the style. Everything else had depth and an almost oil painting feel to it, but the explosions often (not always, but the majority of them) looked flat and without any of the same texture or detail, as if added on as an afterthought.
They were the only part that I disliked about the style choices though.
Imagine being such a gate keeper that you can't let yourself enjoy this masterpiece
mid show with great art
@@lapuris8762 literally 10/10 better then any show I’ve watched in the past 7 years
@@lapuris8762 tell me a midshow with both audience amd website rating higher then 8
@@lapuris8762 Better then cyberpunk
2:13 "This could just be an aNtHilL."
I never laughed so hard. I love this idea of reading reviews. I would binge watch you reading other works’ reviews 😂
"why should we care"
i am getting the feeling that a good chunk of todays critics are very dissappointed if they dont see clear agenda in a series
There's so many relevant topics in Arcane... This argument can't even be used against it
What really really annoys me is the fact that having good representation and diversity its considered woke. So not having just white straight ppl is a negative.
Yeah, the only people who exist are white, cishet people so bye, guess I don't exist
Especially since in Arcane it actually makes a lot of sense since its an international hub for Science, art and Culture so of course it is a melting pot of various Cultures and Races
@@Ki-Wi- Woah, woah, thats WAY too woke, ONLY white and cis? What if they're white, cis, AND poor? Did you think of that? What if they're white, cis, and get this, an physically, or mentally disabled in any way? Those damn liberals invading our media yet again, and worst of all, what if they're white, cis, and, oh god the horror, a physically strong female, AN OUTRAGE I TELL YOU, the only people who exist are white, cis, middle class or above, completely, and plainly people, with the only divergence being that they may be a male of any body type thats not fat, and be average, to extremely high levels of intelligence, or a female who's just pretty, may be smart, but not smarter than any main males, and nothing else
I joke, but if I phrased it differently, a lot of people would agree while completely knowing that I actually mean
A good litmus test is the end of episode 2. Great example of show-dont-tell and how you can separate the people who understand the show's narrative approach versus people who didnt.
Good example. I’m continually surprised how many people don’t get what was happening there.
The artwork reminds me so much of comic book illustrator (and my personal favorite) Duncan Fegredo. I cannot get enough of it. If you aren't familiar with him, check out the series "Kid Etermity" (three part miniseries with Grant Morrison from 1991) and "Enigma". His gorgeous artwork is so unique, but this series looks like an homage to it. I can't wait to see more.
honestly is incredibly telling at one's own intelligence if your critique of Arcane is centered around "this plot is for people who don't care for plot or story" or "if you want good story go watch something else because nothing is explained" if you came out the other side of the show thinking there was no story, you genuinely have 1 brain cell and its a miracle you can even function
Agreed! Humans are intelligent enough to put 2 things together. Idk why these people NEED to be spoon fed and be given info dumps in order to understand and like INSTEAD of just looking at expressions of characters and listening to what they say.
Actually, if you want a detalied story, just read a book. Simple as that
@@Dariussica1 can either read a book or watch a well crafted show
do you really think arcane has a good story? if yes why? for me the issue is not so much of having something not explained to me but rather that there is nothing the show teaches you - it has no message (not even a bad one) or critic it offers during its 9 hours of runtime. sure there is a plot and characters - and don't get me wrong those are amazing, but there is no lesson I could take from it. what do you really learn from the show after you finish watching? I still can't figure out what it wants to tell me.
@@jukori okay two points, point 1-not every good story needs a lesson to be good, point 2-the lesson from Arcane is literally treat people equally (case and point, ZAUN VS PILTOVER) and my conclusion being i 100% doubt you actually watched the show, because it hammers home the ENTIRE lesson of class strife, but my first point still stands, it doesn't need a lesson to be a good story (also it 100% is critic of the wealthy vs poor that much of the real world has but doesn't turn it into "ALL RICH BAD EAT THE RICH" which might be why that issue slipped over your head)
On discord there was a person who came into the chat, said they watched for 20 minutes and think the show is not good. And then they said Vi is abusive toward Powder because she told Powder to do that roof jump.
Another time someone said the show has a grooming issue because of Mel and Jayce relationship, and also they suspected Mel's mom and the pretty escort guy was also a grooming thing. So people had to explain to them that all these people are adults and make their own decisions lol I suspect they think age gap = grooming
LMAOO
Bro of all the dumbass takes 💀💀💀
LMAO Jayce was 24 years older before he met Mel. Wtf.
@@lunariannoises4806, maybe they are actually talking about Mel in this situation
Vi is abusive cause she told Powder to jump, lmao maybe Powder shouldn’t have came with them (oh wait, she came willingly because she didn’t want to feel useless or left, and you could have known if you actually watched the show)
I watched this show with my 50 year old mother and she absolutely loved it. She often asks me when the next season is coming out lmao
Watched all 9 episodes in a day and found the characters to be some of the most interesting of any series, the plot twists to come out of nowhere and the world to be complex. I have interest in the game yet want to watch this over and over. Anyone who loves this series should definitely watch Corridor Crew break down the animation and fight scenes
The trend is that these people crave a linear narrative focused on a single protagonist from beginning to end, rather than clips and portions of different characters with division of value across majority of them that tells a story involving the intersecting paths of said characters in a region of the fiction world that beyond it contains immense potential to explore so many more ideas from various perspectives, each having a unique gravitas and role in the overall universe
Edit; basically, their attention span can't follow it all and their ability to immerse themselves in the multifaceted story is limited
just because you can have multiple protagonists doesn't mean you should - not a single story arc had a conclusion, adding so many characters screws the pacing and weakens a story cause it feels like all we got was an introduction.
One thing that makes this show successful is that, it satisfies both the positive people and the gloomy people. While the positive people wants to see love and see people care about each other, gloomy people would feel unrealistic if everything goes right because the characters are literally shooting and bombing each other. If it were other shows, a bomb wouldn't kill anyone if the intention is innocent.
Ikr! Arcane made a reality check that just because you're a kid or innocent doesn't mean you won't die in here when a bomb explodes expect people to die and I like how arcane depicts mental trauma too.
I love that he is not getting mad, not trying to prove these people wrong, just laughing and going to the next one.
6:17 They hate the game because they could never make it to the rank they wanted, but they secretly love it because of how much time they spent on it, and how nostalgic it is. This mixed emotion makes hatred, and they reflect it on the show. They can not appreciate it as it is, because they are emotionally handicapped.
I hate league of legendary and I have never been so thoroughly impressed by a Netflix series.
I think one of the dumbest critiques in general is ppl seeing gay ppl or strong women/ complex characters/ commentary on class and capitalism and being like "ThIs Is WoKe LeFtIsT pRoPaGaNdA"😭 like bro ik sometimes it can be written poorly or used as a token character but like god damn they say it for every show as if gay people/ strong women/ poor people just dont exist irl and were trying to turn u gay or something like calm down. + EVERY OTHER CHARACTER is straight, its not for u💀
It confused me, too. I don’t consider Arcane woke despite how much representation there is because it doesn’t make a character’s identity their entire personality or demonize the “majority”. I wish more modern shows took this route.
@@nerasomnia yeah, its rlly well written. while i have enjoyed shows like shera where the majority of characters are lgbt or others where its a big plot point, i hate when its the only characteristic/ plot points of a person. This show doesn't do that and its only 2 characters out of sooo many.
I kinda thought a few ppl would be upset but i didnt think theyd attack it for being "woke propaganda" or whatever theyre calling it lol.
@@lilywhetsell8106 Those people just want to be at war with the idea of woke and/or are straight up homophobes. You will find tonnes of people piggybacking on idea's like "woke=bad" to shit on things they have no real understanding of.
@@Merilirem yeah exactly
People are tired of getting preached to by twats who can't write compelling stories. So when we see pink and blue haired girls we're immediately on edge. I agree though; it's not woke. It's well written, not preachy, and lets the characters (both men and women) stand on their own. Except Jayce, but that was his arc. But if you're that much on edge, the first 5 minutes are enough to tune out.
I love a good isekai power fantasy but i still very much enjoyed Arcane. Based on the reviews these people just have extreme difficulty comprehending context clues.
Interesting. Actually that points to a reasonable critique - this extreme version of show-don't-tell might be especially alienating to people on the autism spectrum or others who might not be good at reading emotions on faces. It's not a reason not to make amazing art like Arcane, but maybe there should be a CC option for most shows with subtext instead of or in addition to subtitles!
@@Merlincat007 It is mostly about having expectations that are not in line with the goals of the show going into it.
@@Merlincat007 there are CC options, even when you pirate the show. Understanding expressions and social situations is a learnable trait, so I’m sure theres a way for people with autism to get by the learning curve when watching Arcane with someone else.
@@Merlincat007 This is actually part of why I like animation more than live action. In most animated work it's significantly easier to work out peoples emotions and stuff because animated characters are usually more expressive and exaggerated than real people.
@@Merlincat007 for what it's worth I'm on the spectrum and I adored Arcane, CC is a very good idea but it's not _that_ unreadable. A lot of these complaints seem to come from just...not paying attention 💀
5:54 every song is made for this series. I love the soznd of the music and I love the lyrics. The songs ( some of them) are so emotional and I love these
I watched Arcane eventhough I never played LOL ever.
I enjoyed the characters, the artstyle, the story, just everything.
When you get mad that a character named Jinx jinxed everything
"There are better shows out there. I'll give you that, not many.
It's not the best show ever done you know. It's up there, but not the best."
> lowest possible rating
They probably wanted to bring down the total scale 'cause the positive reviews must be 9-10.
I loved Arcane. Best thing I saw in 2021 by far. I will say I disagree with you coming at the people who watched the while thing and gave it one star. If they said they didn't like it and also hadn't watched the whole thing we'd say their argument is invalid. At least they gave it a chance.
I don’t think we should demand you watch nine 40 minute episodes before you can have an opinion on something
@Babbiddy I'm not saying we have to expect that. This video criticizes the fact that they did watch the whole thing and didn't like it. That is stupid. If anything watching the whole thing makes their criticism more valid.
@@davidtr2010 , he’s just saying don’t waste your life on watching shows you’re not enjoying. Stop that show and find something else ^_^
@Babbiddy that's one thing if you're talking to someone, and they say they didn't like it, so they stopped watching. If someone is leaving an official review, I would throw out their review so fast if I knew they didn't watch the entire show.
@@davidtr2010 , that seems short-sighted. People aren’t paid for their reviews; they’re just fellow customers. You can’t make them finish a show before they can leave a customer review. You’re going to only get opinions of the people who loved a show enough to finish, and there’s always /somebody/ that loves even the least interesting thing enough to do that. Or friends of the creator, or farmed good reviews, etc
Arcane is the best show i ever watched. Even the less good episodes delivered so much. Every line of dialogue was used to tell something about the Characters. Every time something happened you could READ it on the Faces of the Characters. Which is bloody amazing on its own, for a frickin Cartoon.
Arcane is ART! Its an example of what animated Story Telling is capable of!
dude did these people not watch attack on titans? we waited for years to get tiny answers and it always came with more questions. and they can't wait 9 episodes to figure out the world for themselves? or maybe wait for the introduction of actual mages to see how magic works?
True xd haha, YEARS to see the basement... xd
One piece: xD
At least its interesting, you can imagine all possibilities of what is on the basement, at first, i thought that the armored titan is just an evolution, it turns out to have a user inside it. I just cant see why arcane series was so highly praised, had to watch arcane series on japanese dub btw
@@syedakmal4748 because it's as good as perfect in every area...
@@syedakmal4748 aot is better in story, but arcane is better in world and characters.
because while watching not a single character feels wasted, useless or disposable like aot has many + the world isn't plain building, roads and walls.
I am so tired of when people complain about "woke plot" because we all know they are talking about Vi and Caitlyn and the acknowledgement that gay people exist. It's weird when all the characters are cis, straight, and white because that's not reality. I exist. I am gay. So I guess anyone who has ever interacted with me now has a "woke plotline". Which is a lot. I work in customer service. XD
To be fair - a lot of *those* types of people see nearly everything as "woke".
Characters of color exist as more than the villains? Woke. Women exist as more than sexy lamps? Woke.
Cue the eyerolling..
They might also be talking about the classism narrative. Rich folk who understand that the relationship between topside and undercity is an analogy for what we see in the modern world, between the working class and the elite, and between the global north and south. They know the show is right, and are deeply uncomfortable with what that means for them, in the real world.
I also think they mean the class division: rich Vs poor.
In all fairness it is a pretty woke show in that regard
@@allcopsarebastards1478 let’s not kid ourselves. That’s definitely not what they were talking about lol. If anything that plot point probably went straight over their head cos they were too busy wiping the spit off their keyboard from when they were foaming at the mouth about Vi and Caitlyn😂
@@allcopsarebastards1478 i dont think people are smart enough to think that far lol. People see anything gay and are immediately up in arms about it.
This teach me that no matter how good or popular you are, there will always be those guys who hate you. You can’t satisfy the whole world.
It's either " I'm too dumb to understand"
Or "I personally don't like the character so the whole show is bad"
It’s not hard to keep up with. Piltover is the topside with technology and sliiiight elitism problems over Zaun, it’s little brother that’s essentially just a crime lord city. There’s also Mel’s ties to Noxus but it’s hardly mentioned and frankly irrelevant to the plot. It just gives Jayce a reason to go on a mission down in Zaun with Vi and build his character into the pacifist he was meant to be. Not knowing some of the characters is totally fine if you haven’t played the games. They work them into the story and introduce by character. Breaking the fourth wall or giving an introduction would just be cliché. Why do you think the first scene of episode 1 was so impactful?
I’d say a little more than slight elitism ^_^
@@Nortarachanges "Sliiiight" means not slight at all. Very big. Much elitism.
I feel like these reviews tell us more about the reviewers own observation abilities and intelligence than the show itself, like i have played league before, a long time ago, i was familiar with jinx and i probably saw vi from time to time, but i was oblivious to the lore , the world of Runterra and any cities or clans within it, but arcane gives you everything you need to understand the classism struggle between top an bottom, and how the environments of these two opposing sides effect the characters in and around them; you shouldn't need to have how or why everything exists spoon fed to you like a baby, we know it IS a fantasy world that's pretty obvious by the many non human characters, Yordles like Heimerdinger, the magic, and overall aesthetic of the world
the world building is mostly through visual show don't tell and i believe that's a GOOD thing
I honestly believe going into this show without any knowledge of lol, could be an even better experience, as jinx would be so much more of an unexpected twist to those who never knew her character prior to her reveal in arcane, if anything being very familiar with the games only really spoils things such as jinx, Viktor's eventual evolution, and Vi and Caits eventual partnership as they all know where these characters eventually end up as champions, also avid players would easily be able to decipher the champions from the side characters making certain deaths less impactful so ultimately any review saying the show is only good if you love the game are sorely mistaken; is lol a shit game? yes i can agree with that 100%, i have no attachment to that game but, Arcane is ground-breaking in comparison to the game which it was "adapted"
and i really need to know wtf makes something WOKE to these people WHAT DOES THAT EVEN MEAN how is that a valid criticism explain yourselves please people
do they see a black women in power and piss their pants? they see two girls flirting an suddenly they're dying ??? what is the WOKE that hurts you so
and in regard to the simply "not knowing wtf was going on" or what the point was of the story , yes season one leaves things unresolved but how i see it that is basically the whole point, this is only the first season and to me it was pretty clear although there where many threads in the story, season one is the story of Jinx, how she became the loose canon you see in the games and how she came to accept and embrace her new identity, that is what the whole mad hatter tea party finale culminated to and jinxes final act before the season ends becoming a catalyst for more conflict next season honestly i feel Arcane accomplished a lot more in 9 episodes than other shows do in a whole 20+ episode season
I saw a lot of people argue that Arcane lacks what other pilot seasons did well. (At least one arc of multiple plots that ended and give a hint as to what the next season would include) I think your point makes a lot of sense. The main focus of the first season was the idea of who will she end up claiming for herself, Powder or Jinx? We took the entire season to develop her character, give her people, culture, events, and actions to interact with, and then conclude the season with her having the confidence, independence, and ability to choose for herself who she will be in the future. It then immediately shows her exemplifying who she will be by "jinxing" peace and giving us a pretty good idea that we are going to go into a civil war next season as well as see some outside forces (Medarda's enemies in Noxus interfering) involve themselves. Arcane does it all for "just a cartoon pilot season."
There's only two sexualities: straight and political. Lmao
Anyone that complains about 'wokeism' instantly invalidates anything they have to say in my book. This dumb word is just a euphemism for things they're too cowardly to admit being bigoted against.
@@HeloisGevit well it depend, wokeism is not a bad thing, but i think when a show try too hard to show they are woke, it's kinda annoying, but there's nothing like that in arcane, you see some probably gay female character, black woman on power, but it's not like they are saying:"hey! look. female can lead too, black aren't discriminate and we support LGBTQ" it just happen because it's normal and anyone who see this show as woke is an intolerent person
@@HeloisGevit That's a bit of a stretch don't you think. Tv shows that are woke and try to force it heavily definitely deserve critique. It's not "invalidated" at all. However as people already pointed out, that isn't the case with Arcane. Arcane definitely did a great job of making it feel natural.