As much as I like them trying to go back to their previous thematic narrative, if they do that, they'll have it backwards. The reason Piltover is above Zaun is precisely because they were the same city, but the rich wanted to avoid the noxious gases that affected the region (thanks to THEIR faulty planning). Now them not being directly above/below changes the history of the cities towards something we still dont know, but making them expand ABOVE Zaun makes the storyline get it backwards.
Well on that subject, I don't think it makes a lot of sense that the general Piltovan public is allegedly oblivious to Zauns oppression when in order to observe it all they would have to do is look down literally once, so I can't say I agree that the layout is a good design choice.
I think the blueprint for Blitzcrank was the thing Sky was gonna show Viktor when she said she wanted to do something to help people, before she had to be vacuumed. Viktor might put Sky's design to work to honor her.
Imagine tying his, Blitz, Jayce's and Dr. Stanwick Pididley's oore in that instead of Stanwick, it is Jayce who laid claim on Blitzcrank's creation. That would give the retcon justice.
didn't she write about helping with the hexcore? I'm pretty sure she just wrote her theories about the hexcore cus of viktor's interest in it, y'know, "everything that you do inspires me" kinda thing
I would say there's still room for Singed to get his horror roots back, just later than expected. He could be set up to join with noxus before an "Arcane 3" which could switch focus to the Invasion of Ionia
I agree. Necrit is "afraid" because the old Singed had no boundaries. But, to be fair, did Arcane showed Singed had any boundaries ? To me, he's (for now) the same as the old Singed, or at least walking slowly, but surely, the same path. "The mutation MUST survive" (for science), and he didn't care what would entail to the creature he tried to... "cure", as long as it was alive. He also didn't gave any sh*t about humans lives. (Silco: "Will he live?" Singed: "Long enough.") He was ready to going all in for improving its shimmer thingy, and he did (look at the bartender, or all the other addict of shimmer). A lot of people blame Silco about the situation of Zaun, but Singed was equally responsible, maybe even worse, because whereas Silco wanted shimmer to improve Zaun in the long run, willing to sacrifice part of the current generation, Singed might have done shimmer just for "science" and see how far that thing could go. So I'm pretty sure that if Noxus, in the future, asks him to do some batsh*t things in exchange for amnesty and total immunity, he'll go for it without even looking twice.
Yeah, I don't get it. The guy has a salamander that he has kept alive for like 20 years in a vat producing hulk juice that drives people insane and gives them berserker roid rage. What part of this is not horror?
@@johnschaeffer7008I agree with you guys. Arcane Singed I believe has definitely done a lot more brutal stuff that just wasn't explicitly shown. No effing way Arcane Singed is Vanilla in any way just because we haven't seen the gore yet.
Two points that I think could be adjusted, 1. At the end of Arcane Jinx obviously blows up the council. A fight breaking out and Piltover claiming upper Zaun seems a likely event, establishing the "pre-arcane" PnZ 2. In the event of conflict and potential hazards, we could see the start of Renata's story taking place, with her using the opportunity to gain loyalty and fill in the power vacuum created by the death of Silco.
Renata can't really fill all that tho, since she already had existed for decades in the story before all that happened. She's supposed to be at least as powerful as Silco in the same timeframe - but since she didnt existed when Arcane was written that can't be possible for season 2 Not only that, the biggest part of her character is about Piltover loving her - she can't really fit as a main Zaunite player in the time of most turmoil with Piltover without completely detracting from her main characteristic, that being how guillable Piltovans are about her
@@somerandomdude8095 That would mean Renata had a child that she loved A LOT, and that would really change everything about her character. Its a Theseus' Ship Paradox. Is she REALLY Renata if they changed everything about her besides the outward appearance?
"by the death of silco" DUDE CALL ME CRAZY, BUT I AM TELLING YOU SEVIKA WILL BE RENATA. DONT BELIEVE ME IF YOU WANT BUT I'VE BEEN FEELING IT IN MY BONES FOR A YEAR NOW AND NO ONE CAN TAKE IT AWAY FROM ME
I hope they don't make Viktor a villain. I really liked how he was using shady methods to genuinely help people. I also liked how the cult of the glorious evolution may have been out of his control
I hope they do, most villains just have a flashback to explain their story, Viktor has the potential to be one of those villains you root for. Besides ARCANE was done so well and I trust they'll do it justice.
In Arcane season 1, there was no black and white. There is always a reason why everyone does something. So I think whether Viktor is a villain or not is going to be subjective.
About Renata : Technically Silco is dead now... Right ? So my guess would be that in Arcane S2 we see Renata climb to fill the void of power left by Silco. Side note : That void pun makes way too much sense considering shimmer is void fueled. ANYWAY.
Unfortunely not even that makes a lot of sense, since she has a big presence in Zaun since her early 20s, and is currently around 50ish. They'll have to retcon Arcane season 1 if they want to shoehorn in Renata, since she's a way too important character to not be even mentioned. Unless they completely de-characterize her and make her younger, things really arent looking great for her inclusion...
@@felipecouto1102 we don't know the context about her ascencion on Zaun underground, maybe up until know she focused on her GLASC industries™ and only when she achieved certain fortune and influence she started her plan to fuck up Piltover
Ages wont match up, and they have said that P/Z will not be the main focus in future seasons, whe are still going to have PoVs there but they want to expand the scope of the world after S2
How I figured the hexgates work was other nations could use them on return trips but not on trips to Piltover. So let’s say it’s takes a Noxus air balloon like 3 weeks to get there, they would be able to get back instantly using the fast travel of the hexgates. So it basically halves travel time for trade.
My thought is that only the elite would have access to them. So the general populous would still have to travel great, dangerous, distances to get anywhere
This is the most likely scenario. In the show it shows that the entire tower is literally filled with hextech energy. I doubt piltover would send that many hextech crystals to a foreign nation if they even have that many extra to spare.
I really don't think things such as Heimerdinger building that T-hex will happen, since in the announcement they talked about all content coming up being canon, not necessarily past content.
@@neon2112i dont really think he forgot he’s just making content, without that “misunderstanding” he literally can’t make any content bc nothing is canon rn
Riot already said LoR is completely canon, so yeah, its past content IS canon. Necrit is right, his only problem is trusting Riot too much, because they clearly have no idea what they're saying by making LoR be completely canon like they did now. WAY too many plot holes
@@felipecouto1102 They didn't say that Lor is completely canon. They said that it's mostly in line with the canon. That means that some cards are obviously not canon (like the Cythria what if). The problem is that Necrit is continuing to see all cards as somewhat canon.
Its quite possible (with the limited use we saw for the Hexgates) that the big Hexgate towers are programmed with a target for the airship being sent, and then they just have to make a return trip normally. Even with having to come home in a more mundane fashion, instant delivery of trade goods (like the mentioned wine in one of the council meetings) would probably be enough to dominate the economic landscape.
I could definitely see piltover not wanting to share the secrets of the hexgates considering how the city is are with it. If other countries got their hands on the tech they would loose a lot of that geopolitical power.
with renata they could have her just take all of silco's shimmer stuff after his death. Thus, rebranding it as her own. Keeping it functionally the same thing, but with the different names.
@@Kalaggu2020 I get the idea, but they're too fundamentally different imo. Sevika's whole vibe is that she follows whoever's most willing to publicly make a stand, and Renata 1) is totally fine going under the radar and 2) would never yield power under any circumstance.
Jayce: I knew Hextech would change the future. This is going to help the world. Viktor: So long as we keep it from... unsavory types. Jayce: I'll do my best vik.
Convergence is really awkward for Riot since the last cutscene shows the LoL multiverse. It's probably easier for Riot to ignore it and make it not canon.
Convergence felt too disconnected imo. Like it was a fun ass game, but the whole dynamic of Zaun and Ekko felt so detached from everything else that it didn't feel very grounded. I'm honestly fine if it gets written out
@@nicolasperez-picasso5357it felt disconnected indeed, but i would hate for arcane's groundness to dictate what happens in the core universe, since characters like Zac/Mundo/Twitch will not fit in that universe and will likely not be even written as canon, because otherwise with them existing Arcane wouldn't make sense by not having them prominently influence the plot
@@MrIljuha2000 yeah I agree, I'm not a fan of Arcane becoming the foundation either. Runeterra would lose a lot of it's charm if it got all serious and modern
Victor could potentially become a kind of tragic villain. Arcane is setting him up to being corrupted by the void, due to the shenanigans with the hexcore, which could gradually corrupt his scientific side and make him more and more obsessed with the "glorious evolution". In fact, id say it paves the way to a great internal struggle between the good victor we know from arcane and what he inevitably becomes, with an intermediate stage in between similar to his lol version.
Considering that Mel's death is quite likely, I am pretty sure Noxus will play a large part next season. Her mother would rather march on Zaun than let that one go.
i think ezreal would be a nice addition in season 2 as a way to transition to different stories in different regions, you know, since he travels a lot and has a lot of different adventures. He wouldn't necessarily push season 1 and 2 story forward, but he could have his own incredible stories in the future, since we already know the pilltover/zaun story ends with s2. I hope this will be a bit like AHS in a sense, different seasons for different regions or sets of characters
I personally think it would be best to leave him for a Shurima storyline; he could be used as a "look at the aftermath of the previous seasons" device while still furthering the Shurima plotline.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking too. Like, maybe season 3 could be one of the earliest regions E,real visits, and we could have flashbacks from his POV to Piltover and Zaun. It'd be a clean way to add connective tissue for people who are only watching Arcane.
imo they should let the show end after everything wraps up in s2 but tease him a little bit on the side of what’s actually happening in arcane, then get a show by a different name. i’m mixed on this opinion, but it’s what i think i’m leaning towards. i mainly just don’t want the future of arcane to no longer be a story about the champions we’re following right now as i feel like it would water down the story that the show was initially meant to purely be in the first place and it wouldn’t really serve outside consumers (non league playing consumers) that had started watching the show for the current plot; my instinct are just telling me it wouldn’t go well if it isn’t it’s own separate series
They straight up call it "the undercity", I don't get where people got this notion that Zaun is above ground. Vi and the gang takes the sewers and an elevator down to get home in the very first episode.
It seems like one is on an elevated ridge and one is in a valley. Piltovers absolute bottom level and zauns absolute top are connected by a single bridge. But they are still above and below, as evidenced by the elevator.
The Ekko changes are my biggest worry. As an Ekko one-trick, I’m super invested into his lore, especially the core universe. I love Arcane Ekko, but it feels like his character is too different to merge everything. I honestly prefer the core universe lore over Arcane, and I’m scared of losing all of it.
Seems very likely most of old Ekko is gonna get overwritten. They might be able to incorperate some bits and pieces, but your right that the characters are just too different, and with Arcane being declared part of the "new canon" it is what it is
That's very fair. But i think they could do it, Ekko could still have parents (he seems like an orphan in Arcane, but who knows, it was never said explicitly.) and maybe he comes from home to hang with the firelights and has to make an excuse or something.
same here and old ekko is gone bro riot would rather do this stupid lore shit becuase it will " make runeterra accessible to more people" even though they orginally said it was gonna be a love letter to the fans. league lore is dead now
@@DJmouchi777 "The events of Arcane greatly precede the events of LoL proper" proper? Did you forget that league's lore is no longer canon? Everything can change. Tying Arcane to league is just wrong until proven otherwise rn, even time
Given that Arcane was in production for like six years, Riot had tons of time to avoid creating all these lore inconsistencies but are only now attempting to address them.
Bruh, Arcane was in development before most of Piltover and Zaun was established in the lore. Hell Brackern weren’t even related to hextech back then. Pretty sure Camille didn’t even exist. If they had to keep changing Arcane to match the ever-evolving lore, it would have never come out. They’d have to start over every time a new PnZ champ was introduced, or some new lore detail is added. The show would be ass, and would be nowhere near as good as it is now. And if we go the other way around, basing all of PnZ lore on a fucking half-written TV show still in the early stages of development , then we wouldn’t have any PnZ champs OR lore developments in those six years Remember when the Piltover and Zaun champions were left out of the Sentinels of Light event? Why do you think that was?
@@cartoonishidealism582 Then perhaps jumping the gun and trying to make a show about a world that is STILL in the process of rebooting its lore over a decade after that reboot happened may have not been the smartest idea in the first place. Don't get me wrong: I love Arcane. It is an amazing show, but the only reason we have all these deviations between the main canon, Arcane and LoR is because Riot is only now seeming to realize how messy things get when they have different teams all working on telling different stories in the same world without proper coordination between them. I am quite certain that both Arcane and the PnZ lore could have been written in tandem with one-another, but now we have to go back and retcon things like the origins of hextech and Vi's upbringing just so fans don't have to keep track of multiple continuities. Also, Sentinels excluded characters from every region that could/should have been involved in the story. They didn't even have half the Shadow Isles cast present for a Shadow Isles event.
@@GoldLight73 Yes, but maybe that’s not a bad thing? Arcane is good precisely BECAUSE it didn’t need to be tied down to a massive universe. They were allowed to do their own thing, make changes when it would have served the story better. They basically cut out anything that wasn’t directly relevant to the story they wanted to tell, and it led to a BETTER, TIGHTER story that didn’t have to deal with a million other characters and plot points. At the end of the day, a single TV show with a small cast of characters has VASTLY different storytelling needs than a massive expansive universe. Trying to make it all one canon, feels like a step back. Like, is Arcane now saddled with trying to figure out what to do with Urgot, or Camille, or Dr Mundo? I’d rather have a bunch of good, isolated stories that don’t perfectly line up rather than one mediocre universe full of storytelling compromises
@@GoldLight73 I mean that's why Arcane worked, they decided to take creative liberties to the story and not be bound by the core universe. League fans and people that are in the know gets to enjoy and be familiar with the world while new people get introduced and understand it without the "I'm missing some context or I don't get this stuff because I don't know league lore". While the core universe is vast in lore and even something like a hextech crystal has a deep story in it how much should you consider and include before the story becomes a convoluted mess. Afaik, didn't the writers first attempt to pitch into making arcane got rejected? And they also had to go to rewrites? Imagine how much more work and time for Arcane to write and come out if they had to consider and coordinate all of those things in lore and creating a story. Would Arcane even have come out today and be successfull as it is?
I think Ryze not being blue makes sense because of the Young Ryze skin. You can make it so that Ryze became blue due to all the runes finally changing him once enough of the were on his body.
@@Oscar97o it’s possible, but then again I recall Ryze being very gatekeepy about runes. I don’t think he would let someone else have them and if they did he would just confiscate them. Jayce having one could be a counter but if it’s just one that he left behind I don’t see an issue.
Ryze was blue during the rune-wars according to the Call of Power cinematic, where you can see him overlooking a city ravaged by one of the runes. The Runewars takes place WAY before any of the current major cities are established, so the only way it'd make sense is if he was hiding his skin color or if they simply retcon the blue skin until later.
Considering that the other Barons will exploit the power vacuum left behind by Silco, it is not hard to imagine that one of them or several will cause the catastrophes.
I kinda like the idea of mixing modern things with standard fantasy. I feel like if they keep the Hexgates rare and only in Piltover and Noxus the world will stay feeling big. Singed could also still being doing horrifying things off screen. He's a side character so it makes sense that they wouldn't put much focus on him. Maybe they could make a scary movie or a spin off series centered around him. Silco is also dead, so they could easily just say that Renata took his place after he died. For Ekko, maybe he used time travel and messed up the timeline which led to him being an orphan in Arcane? I feel like that could also make for an interesting story for a spin off series or movie. Arcane is mostly focused on Jinx, Vi, Viktor, and Jayce. It makes sense why they won't be exploring the other champions as much, that'd just be too much to do in a limited amount of time. Saving their full stories for shows/movies centered around them seems like a good idea to me.
Even only having them in piltover as a one way portal still makes them the trade centre of the world. Instead of having to ship your goods over seas you can bring them a little to piltover and have it instantly transported.
I really have a bad feeling about Arcane 2: making it canon means they will now almost be forced to adapt to the current story, rather than just being free to do whatever they want and we all know what happens when stuff like this happens-
But there is not current story anymore to adapt Arcane to, that's the whole point: Arcane ( and season 2 had already been written from quite some time now) is what the new stories will have to adapt themselves to.
I really hope in season 2 they manage to have Zeri in there. Maybe not even a whole storyline, but if we're going down the shimmer path, it would make sense to have the vigilante that is Zeri show up. Maybe they could give her more of a story that way, too, because right now her lore feels lacking.
Hottake: Please dont give too much screentime to zeri. give her a small background role, ekkos sidekick probably. i dont want or need another league champ in arcane, focus on the current main cast and give everyone else cameos. Only Camille pre-hextech body and pre-bossbitch renata are in my opinion appropriate to join season 2; camille becomes part of an anti-terrorist force beacuse of jinx and renata takes silcos spot as crimeboss.
@@BlackRainRaven Goat take. That’s my main worry as well, trying to focus on TOO many champions. Or trying to give EVERYONE a cameo. Focus on the main roster and the champs that have been teased (ww) until THIS story is finished.
What? Zeri is most trash champ, maybe only yuumi and ksante beats her, no one cares about her, she is bad, she needs to be deleted asap or hard reworked, she is not worthy to be in arcane
I think it's also important to note, because of the medium of TV series, they can't include every character that's from Zaun and Piltover. It's best to imagine that this is early in the timeline and some characters haven't become who they are yet. And also, both the cities are HUGE! It could be very likely that their stories are happening at the same time but we are just not seeing it.
I think Riot is overly ambitious by wanting everything to be one universe. Arcane should be it's own thing, alongside other movies or shows they may release in the future. Everything else should work together just fine. And I don't think it's too much to ask of the audience to accept that Arcane is just it's own thing and not connected to the rest. Every franchise is turning into a multiverse at the moment, so Runeterra having two different versions isn't that difficult to understand. And are just going to forget about the other alternative universes from the skins?
It's just a strategic marketing move. Think how easily to bring people into the game with cinematics/movies (especially MMO they working on) and people gonna get confused when they find out that events in the show isn't actually canon and you need to read 15 novels instead of that.
Arcane IS just better, I don't want "iron man, but worse" coming from Jayce. There's still time to tie the loose ends that they NEED to tie and "overly ambitious" is fine with the budget and staff they have. The "I don't think it's too much to ask of the audience to accept that Arcane is just it's own thing" I agree when we talk about the acceptance of the new audience (but I disagree with the Arcane shouldn't be canon part), I mean it worked for harry potter and marvel (although let's not talk about current marvel, that IS a fucking shitshow)
The only new character that I'm really hoping for is Ziggs bro matches Jinx's personality really well, they both like explosions and he would be a great companion to Jinx. He's possibly also a scientist as well, maybe with connections to Heimerdinger. This would also give the show another yorlde character, where there will be 1 yordle from each of the two regions.
Heimer being only 300 y/o also brings up the question of how did he saw the rune wars (I think he's referring to the rune wars when he's talking about of how humanity can't control magic )
@@coleridgekinsler heimer? yes? i know? necrit mentions it in the video? im saying that could be how many years he spent outside of bandle city, because as necrit explained, time is different there. they might not track their "age" within bandle city.
@@firewolfandrewbRunic War being pushed forward is really fitting, since it will "legitimate" many aspects and plot holes. Like if Runic War happened toooo loong ago, ppl will question "why is Runeterra being stagnant way too long", or "why ppl afraid of magic if it has been thousands years since Runic War", or "why Demacia still being racist towards mages for thousands years". If Runic War being pushed up to 2-300 years ago, than it fit Jarvan bloodline, for Jarvan the 4th is now current ruler.
I think a lot of this can be handled with time skips/perspective skips. For example, just because Renata is a major power broker in Zaun, doesn't mean that it's happening right now in Zaun. It could be events that occur 5-10-15 years later that detail her rise to power. The timeline can be a little bit timey-wimey when you merge multiple universes.
I really think they're gonna turn Sevika into Renata. Similar appearance, similar attitudes, and Sevika seems to be best poised to fill the void left by Silco, putting her in the same position Renata would be RN. In Arcane 2 Riot can either combine the characters, totally forget Renata exists, or have 2 entrepreneurial undercity cyborg ladies with the same arm missing. There seems to be too much aesthetic and narrative overlap for them to exist in tandem, and considering how Renata was released during Arcane I really doubt they'll scrap her. Of course Renata's lore would need to change, but no more than most other characters already have. Just my thoughts.
I really do not like their decision to consolidate the lore. Having to adhere to one singular canon limits creativity. Arcane was so good partially because it was a re-imagining of the lore that fit Fortiche's storytelling style and artistic vision. But there are elements of the original canon that are beloved by fans but that wouldn't fit the world of Arcane, or that would bloat the story (the aforementioned Ziggs/Jinx is a perfect example). So either those have to be officially sacrificed, or Arcane 2 has to suffer. It's also a totally unnecessary decision. Establishing one solid canon doesn't really provide benefits other than sounding good on paper. Maybe it's because I grew up on Nintendo games, but flexible lore has always felt natural to me. And with all the wacky skin lines in the base game, League of Legends can't avoid having multiple canons anyway, regardless of how hard they try to have one consistent universe.
To be honest Necrit, Ekko didnt get much sincere dialogue in arcane, i dont think there was any reason to mention parents, so they still could add it to the story later as a flashback or something
Which would still be weird, because why wouldn't parents, that he loves so much in his core, to be not mentioned even once? Every major character in Arcane has at least one familial connection mentioned, unless actually stated or shown otherwise
@@MrIljuha2000 Not really. Vi, Powder and the others would already know of them and there was no reason to mention them to Caitlyn or Heimerdinger. Just because something wasn't mentioned doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
@@MrIljuha2000 In season 1 of Arcane, Ekko is a secondary character. Now, I expect this to change in season 2, but in season 1 he was only a side character that the main cast got to interact with. We never followed him, and he doesn't get an arc. I don't see any reason why his parents should have been mentioned, it wouldn't have mattered in any way to the storyline of season 1.
Long shot on Ekko, but since we know he develops the ability to truly time travel in convergence he could have gone back to when he was a child to try and stop something and inadvertently killed his parents leading to current Arcane Ekko.
That would be a mind-fuck that I would honestly not like to see as a writing perspective. Altough I agree, it is probably the only way to make convergence canon
I do not like the idea that Viktor is going to become "Evil". From what I understand of his stories and character's he has never been portrayed as evil, only as misunderstood and maybe a little grandiose. It really shouldn't be a question on how Viktor is going to become "Evil" but more on how Viktor is going to embrace further and further self augmentations in his own brand of progress.
Okay so I thought about it about a day after watching the video but I think I have actual critique about some things: Specifically the connection between Arcane and LOR. Everything that has been done in Lor was made without arcane in mind. There are tons of things there that have to be implemented from a different angle, things like the T-Rex will probably never happen. I am very certain that Arcane will continue to enjoy complete freedom to go wherever the story leads them, so don't be too certain that any Arcane characters LOR version will not be changed. And about retcons they will most likely happen around the arcane characters so everything we know right now about them - we don't now for sure except its in arcane.
Ekko doesn't have to be an orphan to be in the Firelights, he can still have loving parents. It's just something that needs to be explored in Season 2 in SOME degree. (We don't need an episode about him and his parents, but it would be nice.) As for Mundo and Urgot, those two are very easy to bring into Arcane 2, and we already have two examples of how they can do it. Vander and Viktor. All we really need is a background character for a Chem Baron who's a giant guy who gets in the way, and have Boram Darkwill send Urgot to Zaun to find "allies"... and have Urgot find a down-on-his-luck, desperate-to-finish-his-experiments Singed. Evil Singed isn't too difficult to bring out of this as well, even without going the Shimmer route. I wouldn't put it past them to have Mundo given to Singed as punishment, and Singed experiments on him, which turns him into Mundo the way that he turned Vander into Warwick. That's all probably really basic and simple, and I doubt Arcane would do any of that as written - they're just examples of how it's possible, without too much work. Singed and Orianna... that's going to be something they probably walk back. They never SAID it was Orianna, but they certainly liked it when we took it that way, so there's a responsibility there to clarify. Or modify somewhat - maybe Singed is the Godfather, or an Uncle, or just a family friend. Or the picture is someone entirely different and only exists in Arcane.
Man, this is only scratching the surface. If Heimerdinger is now 307 years old and he was apparently remembering the Rune Wars, then that must have happened much later, as it was originally around 1000 years ago. The timeline is a mess now, events like the foundation of Demacia would now be more recent, unless specified otherwise. This will very quickly turn into a domino effect, changing many things in other regions. Camille's whole story must be rewritten, she's no longer an 80 year old who is forever in her 20s, implying that Hextech was invented around 60 years ago. Now she must somehow have been kept alive (and young) without Hextech for decades, then she gets the Hextech treatment and suddenly she can go around parkouring in Piltover in less than 6 years. Skarner is apparently no longer connected to Hextech, meaning that Hextech gems were seemingly created by... Ryze? And now Ryze is giving out magic gems even though they are very dangerous? If Viktor will in fact turn resentful and just start hating humanity out of nowhere, then how sure are we that Blitzcrank won't just be old lore Blitzcrank? Remember that currently, Blitzcrank is a hero because he is being powered by a Hextech gem and that gem contains a brackern soul. Without all that, Blitzcrank could just end up being an evil robot, which is the same Blitzcrank we have in League, as his voice lines were never updated.
Was Ryze already blue by the end of the ruination? If not did we know how he turned out that way? I'm pretty sure he had normal skin with marks on it. Could it be that ryze turned blue sometime after this meeting with Jayce?
The Silco/Renata thing is solved so easily by the fact that Silco is now extremely dead and that this will create a power vacuum in Zaun. One where a new Chem Baron(-ess) might step in and take over in his place.
honestly the league of legends lore is dead now its just going to keep going downhill from here. Why change already established lore it just doesn't make sense why change the story of places and characters that people love just becaue not everyone plays the games thats so dumb. when arcanee came out they said it was a love letter to the fans But now its very clear that they just want money from people who dont even like league its sad.
yeah very sad (and the emotional kind of sad more like the other way around) and don't forget that arcane is also a scam to lure in potential victims for league to destroy their minds, which is one of the reasons why i plan on buying half of the rights to jinx the loose cannon from riot games and repurpose her into a comic book character for my (non-superhero but still action-packed and adventurous) comic book company Skellington comics. (it's a working title)
The Glimmer of yordles was always trash, it's just ridiculous that people are scared to fluffy creatures but they accept things like ugly gnomes from wow, and presents a lot of problems for the mmo too, like... if you play a yordle you are FORCED to use glimmer in a city? no thanks (also was never stated that ALL yordles use glimmer, the comic just says that was something that heimer channeled for his store). In other topic, Convergence story is really bad, if it's retconned the better.
It is a bit weird how they're going to make everything work, but I think it is doable with some shifting around. Like for Renata as an example, she could still become the chem-baron she is. Silco is gone and there is now a power-vaccum that people will fight for. Singed is a bit weird as he's clearly middle aged and we don't quite fully know his origins of how he ended up in Zaun, so there's some room to wiggle something in there. I think Jayce will want to begin Militarizing Piltover with the Hex-tech after Jinx's attack, and Viktor will want to use it to help people instead. Jayce could be introduced to Camille here and set-her story up along with the expansion of Hex-Tech. Viktor could create Blitz, or they could shift that to Ekko and Heimer, and just have Viktor focus more on the mechanical stuff. I don't know if we'll get much more of Vi & Jinx as it felt like they were the main focus on season 1, and season 2 will shift away from them a bit. Urgot could be introduced along with another potential Noxus figure like Swain, which I felt like was being foreshadowed in season 1 with all the Crows. There could be some sort of conflict which severly hurts Urgot and that results in him getting left to die in Zaun. He then changes and could then be set-up for the cinematic where we see Vi & Cait take on Urgot (Seeing as that is also canon now). I don't think we'll see much or any of Seraphine, Mundo, Twitch, Zac or Ziggs. They don't strike me as characters that will be major players in Arcane's story. They could be referenced or have like a small scene to help with their story or character development. Seraphine could potentially used in Season 2 as she could provide music which ties the story of Piltover vs Zaun. As for Ezreal and the Ionian's that travel to Zaun looking for Jhin, that's also something I'm not entirely sure on. Riot could just drop that whole story or they could make a cameo in the background of a scene.
Even though Ekko reconciles with his parents in Convergence, it might still be something that spurs him into helping actual orphans find a family. And since it isn't explicitly confirmed that he is an orphan in arcane, it is possible to somehow merge them.
Ekko is the 2nd person in this universe who can actually have different stories. The firts being zilian. I think its likely for ekko to go through time displacements and end up in different futures and past. And could give some butterfly effect to his story. Pretty cool
the whole point of the reset is to get rid of the "multiverse". what you just suggested would delve even more into the multiverse concept. think before you speak.
@@ssilentmedia having 2 characters that can reference the multiverse is a nod to the fact that league was a multiverse, and since they travel time it can happen and would be the easiest way for them to tie up the lose ends such as convergence
The thing that confuses me most about the announcement is that Arcane being canon from now on forward will either mean that the plotarmor champion have (Jinx, Vi, Caitlyn, Jayce, Viktor, Heimerdinger, Ekko, Singed, Warwick) will increase a thousandfold or that some actual, current, popular champions get killed off?
Now they should release Silco as a champion in legend of Runeterra, and make Rennata use an upgraded version of Shimmer and control a ruined Zaun after Silco died and left all addicts without doses.
And who did arcane reference would take over? HM?? SEVIKA, RIGHT? SEVIKA HAS A ROBO """"""LEFT""""" ARM, RIGHT?? I AM NOT CRAZY, YOU ARE CRAZY. I HAVE BELIVED FOR A YEAR NOW, I BELIEVEE!! edit: AND VI RIPPED IT OFF WICH MEANS SHE CAN UPGRADE IT LIKE RENATA HAS IT. II AMM NOOT CRAZYY, YOU ARE
I don’t like the way you brush past things that completely change the worldbuilding of Runaterra. There’s a reason why Piltover is built above Zaun, which is to escape the toxic air. That doesn’t make sense if they’re next to each other. Silco is the first to call the undercity the “Nation of Zaun”, which if we’re following the canon presented in Arcane, would completely vanish the entire canon of Oshra Va’Zaun being the city that was there in the first place. The very name “Piltover” existing wouldn’t make sense because the city is no longer built above the river Pilt. Corina Veraza would make zero sense giving the context from LotR to Arcane, giving that she’s Silco 3.0 (or the OG Renata) That means Mel would most likely die if there’s no mention of her at all in League or Lotr, which is spoiling the 2nd season before it even begins. Viktor doesn’t make sense. Ekko doesn’t make sense, Orianna doesn’t either. Camille suddenly stops having any importance. You’re defending mediocrity. You’re defending a terrible idea. This is not for the best. They had two years to clear this up before giving the announcement and we only received silenced on their part, now we have to wait until Fall 2024 (Another whole year) wondering what’s canon and what’s not just for Arcane season 2 to come out and (I’ll be coming back to this comment once this happens) present even more incongruity to the narrative that they will not be able to fix properly. To which you will then say “It’s just fine I don’t really care.”
Tbh the ONLY thing that makes me scared of the whole "IP team" and Arcane being canon- Are champions allowed to die now? Arcane being its own thing somewhat allowed for NOT being afraid of plot armor (specifically plot armor from OUTSIDE of the story, I.E. *old* LoL canon) And IF they are allowed to have abrupt story ends- what does that mean for the MMO, for League? Even if their story "ends" they can still be summoned in LoL. But does that make an impact on their dialogue, or whatever. And ultimately: Does this LIMIT what they can do in Arcane now??
Honestly, I'm fine with Convergence not being canon. Its a messy story with underdeveloped characters and inconsistent champions. Camille is suddenly a good person and acts like Caitlyn, Warwick is obsessed with killing Ekko for some reason, Jinx is just there to drive sales, etc.
In the Ruination book, Ryze is not blue/purple, he is a normal human with strong magic affinity for runes, so maybe he will get a big big update soon TM
So many thoughts... 1) Viktor doesnt need to be considered evil. His motivations are that hes helping people to be their best selves, ethics be damned. Singed is in this camp too, and his old lore folds in to Arcane, despite what you're saying. Singed shows us numerous times that he's unethical. He made Vander Warwick. He abused that lizard to make shimmer. He used shimmer to experiment on Zaunites for the hell of it. Hes still a horror character. 2) Ekkos convergence is about time manipulation. Just say that he fucked the timeline and the main timeline is arcane. Done. 3) Warwick is 100% Vander. They teased it at the end of the last episode with Vander strung up like WW. 4) Blitzcrank can easily be retconed. His connection was weak and with Vi being retconned it makes sense. 5) Renata refinned shimmer after taking over in the power vacuum caused by Silco dying. Camile can be the counterpoint to Renata. A lot of the lore plot holes are pretty easily cleaned up, and I am grateful they stuck with Arcane as its the superior lore IMO. Especially if they continue it as an anthology series where it shifts from PZ to Noxus to Ionia etc. Oh, and they show Zaun several times as being directly under Piltover in Arcane. The bridge could be the main thoroughfare to the under ciry. But theres definitket elevators and pipes that go down to it. So less like an L and more like a sideways U
The easiest answer to these kinds of dilemma in Canon is Transformers. No, I'm not joking, they, literally, solved this problem decades ago. The answer was "everything is canon in its own continuity." This would have been the perfect answer for League as well. Between LoL, Runetera and Arcane, there was never going to be a way that you could, satisfyingly, tie it all together with one neat bow. So why force it? LoL is LoL and Arcane is Arcane. It's such a simple answer and a proven theory; they were usung it already too. It seems to me, modern writers feel like they *_have_* to have a single world, where everything fits neatly together; otherwise they have failed at world building. Which makes zero sense. Just look at popular media over the ages. The vast majority of fiction breaks from having just a single continuity. Sure, in many, a single continuity is picked as the main one, but in most cases, other continuities will have just as many, if not more, fans of it. Riot is making a mistake by trying to force a single canon, because it is also dismissive of their other continuities that have been floating around below the surface of the lore. Like the Pool Party Arc, the Star Guardians and so on.
I loved ekko’s original lore and I like ekko’s appearance in arcane but I don’t know how they’re going to do this but I hope somehow they combine the two
I feel like I'm the only one who hates this change. Having 2 or more universes/canons opens up so much more room for creativity. And it's not that people can't handle multiple universes. Comic books had this forever. It's the reason the Spider-verse movies worked. I think it just never was communicated right. But now first of all we lose a ton of amazing stories, all that work from amazing writers was for nothing because Arcane made more money and now Arcane doesn't have the freedom to do whatever they want like killing a champion for example. I loved that I had 2 or 3 different Universes with the same characters, that told different stories that I can love for different reasons. I didn't prefer one over the other, but now one half of that has to die and cannot continue. Though one thing I like about this is that Jinx's and Vi's Runeterra stories when arcane came out are canon now, because they were just to wholesome and healed my heartache after the first 3 episodes ;)
Perhaps Renata took over officially after Silco died? I've always imagined she'd simply take over with that happening, possibly earning Piltover's trust by deliversing Silco's body to the council or something. It could be really interesting. Though I don't believe she'll appear as more than a cameo in S2... unfortunately... Her and Camille could make great secondary villains for the political relations plotline.
@@d4s0n282 Finn* said so and he said it refering to himself to sway sevika, so no. I don't think so. BUT!! mark my words, SEVIKA IS RENATA, I HAVE BELIEVED FOREVER AGO AND ALWAYS WILL, till proven otherwise of course
@@Kalaggu2020 They look nothing alike except for the prosthetic and the darker skin, and we know how Sevika lost her arm; and it was certainly not trying to save her parents from a fire. They really *shouldn't* merge them into one, as they are such inherently different characters.
@@The.Official.Serpentine Dude, you forget that any point based on "league lore" is objectively wrong until proven otherwise (so anything like "renata this or that, ekko this or that, senjuani this or that" in the now established "old lore"). Arcane overwrites anything lore related and EVERYTHING can change, that's the entire point of the dev blog. So get mad at me if you want but riot literally said so, you might as well be mad at them. But also, your point IS valid. I'm doing a VERY farfetched theory, but I still believe
I am pessimistic of this change because it’s going to make it extremely difficult for writers to make good stories if certain plot points and characterizations HAVE to be hit. Sometimes, an adapted story develops in a way that makes it extremely awkward and even impossible to reconcile with old canon. I think Arcane was successful in part because it had the wiggle room to diverge for existing canon as needed.
I love Ekko's new story arc... i think it's amazing and way more interesting. Victor as well... amazing storyline for him. I'm excited to see what happens with those two especially.
i dont really believe they would jeopardize the integrity of the story simply because it's already written in some way in the card game, so i dont think the question should be - "how is x character gonna become like this", but rather - "are they still gonna wanna follow this direction or change it completely?"
I think trying to connect everything into the same universe is going to run into issues the same ways it has in the past. They should've just said they would limit the number of universes they are maintaining, and trying to keep the core as stable as possible. Having everything be canon in the same universe is something that sounds good on paper, but will be a source of headaches going forward in perpetuity for all the edge cases that would be cool in a branched universe, but really difficult to massage into canon. So either potentially cool stuff will just not get written (since they require a branched universe), or the core canon will keep having more and more jank.
This whole mess is just suck a nightmare. Making legends of Runeterra fit with the cannon is fine but making Arcane do the same is just absolutely smashing so many incredible pieces of writing and lore creation to bits. I really can not understand why they would make Arcane cannon, it's just such a mess.
Personally i wanna see Arcane 2 explore another part of the world like Noxus or Garen/Lux/Gallio area. Theres so much amazing lore to build upon with Arcane and yet if we wanna further explore Jayce/Victor/Vi/Jinx etc theres just no way we will get any other zone covered in the next 5-6 years (2-3 seasons) and that feels awfull. Im not a fan of the modern style of 8-10 episodes per season with 1-2 years between seasons instead of the old 20-24 episode / season and a new season every year but with 3x longer seasons it feels like less of a downtime.
I believe they said season 2 will wrap up Piltover/Zaun, and we're likely to see characters from other regions start to pop up - we've already gotten a taste of Noxus in S1 and I expect more and more of the world to be introduced in S2.
@@DelothVyrr I truly hope so because as much as i like Vi/Jinx /Singed / Jayce and all theese characters i feel if u don't start to branch out they loose out on alot of oportunity. I still think they truly need to implemnt more episdoes per season then 8 or 10, it's to few to get truly invested in a season, atleast make it 12 or 15 episodes so that u can have 4-5 parts of 3 episodes so u spread it out on either 5 weeks or 15 weeks on top end giving us less downtime.
@@DelothVyrrThey are developing other projects in animation and live action for other regions, they are not going to accelerate everything to end in one season when there are still characters to show, there is still a lot of story to tell in Piltover and Zaun
Necrit is the only person who got me into league's lore , but since everything is canon my question is , why would anyone care and later to watch season 2 of arcane even , i feel sad in one way
I've been reading the comments here and as much as I'd like to see characters like Jhin, Camille, Renata, while some do have good reasons why they should be in S2. I'm just thinking how hard that would be 😅 since the main characters have to fix the situation that happened after the end of S1. Continuing with the storyline with Warwick and then adding like 10 characters they'd have to properly develop within 8-10 episodes. Hopefully no one gets disappointed just because their favorite character didn't show yet. But realistically there's only so much screen time they can use which is necessary for the old characters and the new story which will be told.
@@Levi_Ackerman_005 They said that there will be 3 new champions in the second season, we already know that Warwick is one of them, I would say that Camille and Renata are the other 2
12:01 Well there's still space for Ekko's parents to be alive, since they weren't stated to be dead, I mean they might just not have anything to do with the main storyline.
I was really excited for jayce and viktor to be together maybe we'll see smthn happen now that mel died (I kinda feel bad for mel's pixels she was nice)
chemtech is the technology where you use shimmer and a variance of other chemicals as fuel. and hextech isn't even a substance as you portray it in this video so what exactly are you confused about mister know it all?
As I said elsewhere, this is a very bad idea and they'll regret it. It's going to make storytelling in each medium worse as writers are now obligated to adhere to decisions outside of telling the best version of a story in the own lore.
am i the only one that thinks making arcane canon will now burden the show? now riot has to cater to all champions instead of focusing on a select few. remember there is no inherently more important champion than the other after all. I am really worried now that arcane 2 will flop and not meet expectations.
I just hope they don't cram characters or "nods to the larger lore" in season 2 for no good narrative reason. Characters and stories pieces need room to breeze. They restrained themselves in season 1 so I'm hopeful on that front, but we never know what Riot could enforce.
I feel like the “Piltover not being above on top of Zaun” thing could be fixed with Piltover expanding on top of zaun
Ok, someone get this to riot. Not that they will do it, but its such a cool idea to explore
As much as I like them trying to go back to their previous thematic narrative, if they do that, they'll have it backwards. The reason Piltover is above Zaun is precisely because they were the same city, but the rich wanted to avoid the noxious gases that affected the region (thanks to THEIR faulty planning). Now them not being directly above/below changes the history of the cities towards something we still dont know, but making them expand ABOVE Zaun makes the storyline get it backwards.
Well on that subject, I don't think it makes a lot of sense that the general Piltovan public is allegedly oblivious to Zauns oppression when in order to observe it all they would have to do is look down literally once, so I can't say I agree that the layout is a good design choice.
@@forcommentingpurposesonly2918 that is easily fixed by making another layer on top of zaun that becomes piltover
@@felipecouto1102 better have it backwards than entirely scrapped, no?
I think the blueprint for Blitzcrank was the thing Sky was gonna show Viktor when she said she wanted to do something to help people, before she had to be vacuumed. Viktor might put Sky's design to work to honor her.
Imagine tying his, Blitz, Jayce's and Dr. Stanwick Pididley's oore in that instead of Stanwick, it is Jayce who laid claim on Blitzcrank's creation. That would give the retcon justice.
@@Diyel💀I didn't understand a bit of what you said my man
didn't she write about helping with the hexcore? I'm pretty sure she just wrote her theories about the hexcore cus of viktor's interest in it, y'know, "everything that you do inspires me" kinda thing
@@sai_neko_reddy have you read Blitzcrank's lore yet?
omg that would be beautiful
I would say there's still room for Singed to get his horror roots back, just later than expected. He could be set up to join with noxus before an "Arcane 3" which could switch focus to the Invasion of Ionia
I agree. Necrit is "afraid" because the old Singed had no boundaries. But, to be fair, did Arcane showed Singed had any boundaries ? To me, he's (for now) the same as the old Singed, or at least walking slowly, but surely, the same path.
"The mutation MUST survive" (for science), and he didn't care what would entail to the creature he tried to... "cure", as long as it was alive.
He also didn't gave any sh*t about humans lives. (Silco: "Will he live?" Singed: "Long enough.") He was ready to going all in for improving its shimmer thingy, and he did (look at the bartender, or all the other addict of shimmer). A lot of people blame Silco about the situation of Zaun, but Singed was equally responsible, maybe even worse, because whereas Silco wanted shimmer to improve Zaun in the long run, willing to sacrifice part of the current generation, Singed might have done shimmer just for "science" and see how far that thing could go.
So I'm pretty sure that if Noxus, in the future, asks him to do some batsh*t things in exchange for amnesty and total immunity, he'll go for it without even looking twice.
He could've already did it which is why he was kicked out of piltover
Yeah, I don't get it. The guy has a salamander that he has kept alive for like 20 years in a vat producing hulk juice that drives people insane and gives them berserker roid rage. What part of this is not horror?
@@johnschaeffer7008I agree with you guys. Arcane Singed I believe has definitely done a lot more brutal stuff that just wasn't explicitly shown. No effing way Arcane Singed is Vanilla in any way just because we haven't seen the gore yet.
I really hope we get the noxian invasion of iona in arcane at some point
Two points that I think could be adjusted,
1. At the end of Arcane Jinx obviously blows up the council. A fight breaking out and Piltover claiming upper Zaun seems a likely event, establishing the "pre-arcane" PnZ
2. In the event of conflict and potential hazards, we could see the start of Renata's story taking place, with her using the opportunity to gain loyalty and fill in the power vacuum created by the death of Silco.
Riot confirmed Season 2 will be about War. obviously after Jinx blew up the council there will be war between Piltover Noxus and Zaun
Renata can't really fill all that tho, since she already had existed for decades in the story before all that happened. She's supposed to be at least as powerful as Silco in the same timeframe - but since she didnt existed when Arcane was written that can't be possible for season 2
Not only that, the biggest part of her character is about Piltover loving her - she can't really fit as a main Zaunite player in the time of most turmoil with Piltover without completely detracting from her main characteristic, that being how guillable Piltovans are about her
@@felipecouto1102 what if they make her that one baron that had the worker child thing? the one in vi and jayce's scene. They do look similar
@@somerandomdude8095 That would mean Renata had a child that she loved A LOT, and that would really change everything about her character.
Its a Theseus' Ship Paradox. Is she REALLY Renata if they changed everything about her besides the outward appearance?
"by the death of silco" DUDE CALL ME CRAZY, BUT I AM TELLING YOU SEVIKA WILL BE RENATA. DONT BELIEVE ME IF YOU WANT BUT I'VE BEEN FEELING IT IN MY BONES FOR A YEAR NOW AND NO ONE CAN TAKE IT AWAY FROM ME
I hope they don't make Viktor a villain. I really liked how he was using shady methods to genuinely help people. I also liked how the cult of the glorious evolution may have been out of his control
I hope they do, most villains just have a flashback to explain their story, Viktor has the potential to be one of those villains you root for. Besides ARCANE was done so well and I trust they'll do it justice.
They can always retcon Viktor, which I firmly believe is the best move.
hes literally becoming evil in the first season. kinda like a mad scientist like his mentor singed lol. this is why you dont write
In Arcane season 1, there was no black and white. There is always a reason why everyone does something. So I think whether Viktor is a villain or not is going to be subjective.
@@blitzcometnot really
Feels like home , necrit talking about lore of league
That part ☝🏼😊
More opportunities to talk about lore now. Every cinematic, game or runeterran based event that comes from Riot is now canon.
A feeling so sweet I never forget it
Maybe Brink of Infinity was also canon😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@beaconstoneartificer NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO DON'T JINX IT
About Renata : Technically Silco is dead now... Right ? So my guess would be that in Arcane S2 we see Renata climb to fill the void of power left by Silco.
Side note : That void pun makes way too much sense considering shimmer is void fueled. ANYWAY.
Unfortunely not even that makes a lot of sense, since she has a big presence in Zaun since her early 20s, and is currently around 50ish. They'll have to retcon Arcane season 1 if they want to shoehorn in Renata, since she's a way too important character to not be even mentioned.
Unless they completely de-characterize her and make her younger, things really arent looking great for her inclusion...
Imagine Renata and Camille as two fighting leaders in one season 😳
They said referring to the line “there are bigger fish to fry than silco” that they had someone specific in mind, meaning that person is already there
@@felipecouto1102 we don't know the context about her ascencion on Zaun underground, maybe up until know she focused on her GLASC industries™ and only when she achieved certain fortune and influence she started her plan to fuck up Piltover
Ages wont match up, and they have said that P/Z will not be the main focus in future seasons, whe are still going to have PoVs there but they want to expand the scope of the world after S2
How I figured the hexgates work was other nations could use them on return trips but not on trips to Piltover. So let’s say it’s takes a Noxus air balloon like 3 weeks to get there, they would be able to get back instantly using the fast travel of the hexgates. So it basically halves travel time for trade.
yeah i guess.
Also deliveries. Piltover can send a ship to Noxus instantly, then it flies around making it's deliveries before returning home.
My thought is that only the elite would have access to them. So the general populous would still have to travel great, dangerous, distances to get anywhere
I just figured it was the MMO fast travel system and didn't think much beyond that.
This is the most likely scenario. In the show it shows that the entire tower is literally filled with hextech energy. I doubt piltover would send that many hextech crystals to a foreign nation if they even have that many extra to spare.
I really don't think things such as Heimerdinger building that T-hex will happen, since in the announcement they talked about all content coming up being canon, not necessarily past content.
Ikr, bro really forgot that crucial detail for the entire video
@@neon2112i dont really think he forgot he’s just making content, without that “misunderstanding” he literally can’t make any content bc nothing is canon rn
@@vel306 Yup, his attention to detail is too good for him to have missed this. No hate to him tho.
Riot already said LoR is completely canon, so yeah, its past content IS canon. Necrit is right, his only problem is trusting Riot too much, because they clearly have no idea what they're saying by making LoR be completely canon like they did now. WAY too many plot holes
@@felipecouto1102 They didn't say that Lor is completely canon. They said that it's mostly in line with the canon. That means that some cards are obviously not canon (like the Cythria what if).
The problem is that Necrit is continuing to see all cards as somewhat canon.
Its quite possible (with the limited use we saw for the Hexgates) that the big Hexgate towers are programmed with a target for the airship being sent, and then they just have to make a return trip normally. Even with having to come home in a more mundane fashion, instant delivery of trade goods (like the mentioned wine in one of the council meetings) would probably be enough to dominate the economic landscape.
I could definitely see piltover not wanting to share the secrets of the hexgates considering how the city is are with it. If other countries got their hands on the tech they would loose a lot of that geopolitical power.
yea i mean they have to know noxus is pretty scary, you would not want a massive land ruled by warlords to have teleportation to your coordinates
with renata they could have her just take all of silco's shimmer stuff after his death. Thus, rebranding it as her own. Keeping it functionally the same thing, but with the different names.
That sounds like something she would do. I doubt piltovans would buy anything with the word shimmer on it.
mark my words, SEVIKA IS RENATA. CALL ME CRAZY BUT I BELIEVE
@@Kalaggu2020 I get the idea, but they're too fundamentally different imo. Sevika's whole vibe is that she follows whoever's most willing to publicly make a stand, and Renata 1) is totally fine going under the radar and 2) would never yield power under any circumstance.
For the mass relay towers, it could also be a sort of fast travel for the MMO too
Jayce: I knew Hextech would change the future. This is going to help the world.
Viktor: So long as we keep it from... unsavory types.
Jayce: I'll do my best vik.
Convergence is really awkward for Riot since the last cutscene shows the LoL multiverse. It's probably easier for Riot to ignore it and make it not canon.
Convergence felt too disconnected imo. Like it was a fun ass game, but the whole dynamic of Zaun and Ekko felt so detached from everything else that it didn't feel very grounded. I'm honestly fine if it gets written out
@@nicolasperez-picasso5357it felt disconnected indeed, but i would hate for arcane's groundness to dictate what happens in the core universe, since characters like Zac/Mundo/Twitch will not fit in that universe and will likely not be even written as canon, because otherwise with them existing Arcane wouldn't make sense by not having them prominently influence the plot
@@MrIljuha2000 yeah I agree, I'm not a fan of Arcane becoming the foundation either. Runeterra would lose a lot of it's charm if it got all serious and modern
i woduln't mind if Convergence is not canon anymore especially after they changed cammile so much
Agreed
Victor could potentially become a kind of tragic villain. Arcane is setting him up to being corrupted by the void, due to the shenanigans with the hexcore, which could gradually corrupt his scientific side and make him more and more obsessed with the "glorious evolution". In fact, id say it paves the way to a great internal struggle between the good victor we know from arcane and what he inevitably becomes, with an intermediate stage in between similar to his lol version.
I agree. How Viktor is being panned out? I don't see him as a bad enemy to the lore. More like a tragic opposition to Jayce.
And the void loves corrupting people to get more power, which coincides greatly with his “glorious evolution” stuff
Honestly not making Ekko look like a perpetual 12 year old is the best thing Arcane ever did for League
Hoping for Camille and maybe Ez next season!
Camille X Ezreal would be hot
@@opus_X oh god..
Considering that Mel's death is quite likely, I am pretty sure Noxus will play a large part next season. Her mother would rather march on Zaun than let that one go.
i hope because the possible noxus conflict maybe getting veigar or swain
I hope we get Ziggs! Jinx needs her friend and Heimerdinger needs his boyfriend.
i think ezreal would be a nice addition in season 2 as a way to transition to different stories in different regions, you know, since he travels a lot and has a lot of different adventures. He wouldn't necessarily push season 1 and 2 story forward, but he could have his own incredible stories in the future, since we already know the pilltover/zaun story ends with s2. I hope this will be a bit like AHS in a sense, different seasons for different regions or sets of characters
piltover/ zaun is confirmed to be done after s2?
@@duhneez2068i think Necrit said it in one of the recent videos, don’t remember which one exactly though :-(
I personally think it would be best to leave him for a Shurima storyline; he could be used as a "look at the aftermath of the previous seasons" device while still furthering the Shurima plotline.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking too. Like, maybe season 3 could be one of the earliest regions E,real visits, and we could have flashbacks from his POV to Piltover and Zaun. It'd be a clean way to add connective tissue for people who are only watching Arcane.
imo they should let the show end after everything wraps up in s2 but tease him a little bit on the side of what’s actually happening in arcane, then get a show by a different name. i’m mixed on this opinion, but it’s what i think i’m leaning towards. i mainly just don’t want the future of arcane to no longer be a story about the champions we’re following right now as i feel like it would water down the story that the show was initially meant to purely be in the first place and it wouldn’t really serve outside consumers (non league playing consumers) that had started watching the show for the current plot; my instinct are just telling me it wouldn’t go well if it isn’t it’s own separate series
If Vander turns out to be Warwick does that mean he's got that dawg in him?
I think Zaun is still mostly underground in Arcane, just not directly below Piltover
They straight up call it "the undercity", I don't get where people got this notion that Zaun is above ground. Vi and the gang takes the sewers and an elevator down to get home in the very first episode.
It seems like one is on an elevated ridge and one is in a valley. Piltovers absolute bottom level and zauns absolute top are connected by a single bridge. But they are still above and below, as evidenced by the elevator.
The Ekko changes are my biggest worry. As an Ekko one-trick, I’m super invested into his lore, especially the core universe. I love Arcane Ekko, but it feels like his character is too different to merge everything. I honestly prefer the core universe lore over Arcane, and I’m scared of losing all of it.
Seems very likely most of old Ekko is gonna get overwritten. They might be able to incorperate some bits and pieces, but your right that the characters are just too different, and with Arcane being declared part of the "new canon" it is what it is
That's very fair. But i think they could do it, Ekko could still have parents (he seems like an orphan in Arcane, but who knows, it was never said explicitly.) and maybe he comes from home to hang with the firelights and has to make an excuse or something.
same here and old ekko is gone bro riot would rather do this stupid lore shit becuase it will " make runeterra accessible to more people" even though they orginally said it was gonna be a love letter to the fans. league lore is dead now
i love arcane ekko way more.
Yeah, both of his stories, whether core or Arcane are great on their own.
if arcane is cannon doest that mean that every arcane skin is cannon and the base skin isnt?
Nothing says they can't both be. The events of Arcane greatly precede the events of LoL proper.
They can just happen in different point in time
I mean people wear different clothes each day and people's sense fo fashin=on change over the years so I would say no. they can both be cannon.
YEAH! RIGHT!?
@@DJmouchi777 "The events of Arcane greatly precede the events of LoL proper" proper? Did you forget that league's lore is no longer canon? Everything can change. Tying Arcane to league is just wrong until proven otherwise rn, even time
Given that Arcane was in production for like six years, Riot had tons of time to avoid creating all these lore inconsistencies but are only now attempting to address them.
I think they just said FUCK IT and pressed the IGNORE pedal all the way, but hey, I'm not complaining
Bruh, Arcane was in development before most of Piltover and Zaun was established in the lore. Hell Brackern weren’t even related to hextech back then. Pretty sure Camille didn’t even exist.
If they had to keep changing Arcane to match the ever-evolving lore, it would have never come out. They’d have to start over every time a new PnZ champ was introduced, or some new lore detail is added. The show would be ass, and would be nowhere near as good as it is now.
And if we go the other way around, basing all of PnZ lore on a fucking half-written TV show still in the early stages of development , then we wouldn’t have any PnZ champs OR lore developments in those six years
Remember when the Piltover and Zaun champions were left out of the Sentinels of Light event? Why do you think that was?
@@cartoonishidealism582 Then perhaps jumping the gun and trying to make a show about a world that is STILL in the process of rebooting its lore over a decade after that reboot happened may have not been the smartest idea in the first place.
Don't get me wrong: I love Arcane. It is an amazing show, but the only reason we have all these deviations between the main canon, Arcane and LoR is because Riot is only now seeming to realize how messy things get when they have different teams all working on telling different stories in the same world without proper coordination between them. I am quite certain that both Arcane and the PnZ lore could have been written in tandem with one-another, but now we have to go back and retcon things like the origins of hextech and Vi's upbringing just so fans don't have to keep track of multiple continuities.
Also, Sentinels excluded characters from every region that could/should have been involved in the story. They didn't even have half the Shadow Isles cast present for a Shadow Isles event.
@@GoldLight73 Yes, but maybe that’s not a bad thing? Arcane is good precisely BECAUSE it didn’t need to be tied down to a massive universe. They were allowed to do their own thing, make changes when it would have served the story better. They basically cut out anything that wasn’t directly relevant to the story they wanted to tell, and it led to a BETTER, TIGHTER story that didn’t have to deal with a million other characters and plot points.
At the end of the day, a single TV show with a small cast of characters has VASTLY different storytelling needs than a massive expansive universe. Trying to make it all one canon, feels like a step back.
Like, is Arcane now saddled with trying to figure out what to do with Urgot, or Camille, or Dr Mundo?
I’d rather have a bunch of good, isolated stories that don’t perfectly line up rather than one mediocre universe full of storytelling compromises
@@GoldLight73 I mean that's why Arcane worked, they decided to take creative liberties to the story and not be bound by the core universe. League fans and people that are in the know gets to enjoy and be familiar with the world while new people get introduced and understand it without the "I'm missing some context or I don't get this stuff because I don't know league lore". While the core universe is vast in lore and even something like a hextech crystal has a deep story in it how much should you consider and include before the story becomes a convoluted mess. Afaik, didn't the writers first attempt to pitch into making arcane got rejected? And they also had to go to rewrites? Imagine how much more work and time for Arcane to write and come out if they had to consider and coordinate all of those things in lore and creating a story. Would Arcane even have come out today and be successfull as it is?
I think Ryze not being blue makes sense because of the Young Ryze skin. You can make it so that Ryze became blue due to all the runes finally changing him once enough of the were on his body.
I think the mage that saves Jayce and his mother just isn't Ryze.
@@Oscar97o it’s possible, but then again I recall Ryze being very gatekeepy about runes. I don’t think he would let someone else have them and if they did he would just confiscate them. Jayce having one could be a counter but if it’s just one that he left behind I don’t see an issue.
Ryze was blue during the rune-wars according to the Call of Power cinematic, where you can see him overlooking a city ravaged by one of the runes. The Runewars takes place WAY before any of the current major cities are established, so the only way it'd make sense is if he was hiding his skin color or if they simply retcon the blue skin until later.
i like the idea of ori being taken to viktor by singed to save her from an illness
Same
They still can make underground city under Piltover. Technically in Arcane the big mining catastrophes which destroyed Zaun did not happen yet.
Considering that the other Barons will exploit the power vacuum left behind by Silco, it is not hard to imagine that one of them or several will cause the catastrophes.
It's not under it... There nothing under piltover.
Not a fan of Arcane overwriting everything just because it was popular.
I kinda like the idea of mixing modern things with standard fantasy. I feel like if they keep the Hexgates rare and only in Piltover and Noxus the world will stay feeling big. Singed could also still being doing horrifying things off screen. He's a side character so it makes sense that they wouldn't put much focus on him. Maybe they could make a scary movie or a spin off series centered around him. Silco is also dead, so they could easily just say that Renata took his place after he died.
For Ekko, maybe he used time travel and messed up the timeline which led to him being an orphan in Arcane? I feel like that could also make for an interesting story for a spin off series or movie.
Arcane is mostly focused on Jinx, Vi, Viktor, and Jayce. It makes sense why they won't be exploring the other champions as much, that'd just be too much to do in a limited amount of time. Saving their full stories for shows/movies centered around them seems like a good idea to me.
Even only having them in piltover as a one way portal still makes them the trade centre of the world. Instead of having to ship your goods over seas you can bring them a little to piltover and have it instantly transported.
The Problem with LOL is it's trying to please everyone,
sooner or later it will please no one
I really have a bad feeling about Arcane 2: making it canon means they will now almost be forced to adapt to the current story, rather than just being free to do whatever they want and we all know what happens when stuff like this happens-
But there is not current story anymore to adapt Arcane to, that's the whole point: Arcane ( and season 2 had already been written from quite some time now) is what the new stories will have to adapt themselves to.
@@gugugugu1300 I hope so. It would be a shame if they were limited
I really hope in season 2 they manage to have Zeri in there. Maybe not even a whole storyline, but if we're going down the shimmer path, it would make sense to have the vigilante that is Zeri show up. Maybe they could give her more of a story that way, too, because right now her lore feels lacking.
I hope they wont. Zeri is a lame character
It would make sense, but now that we're getting an actual show it would be more respectable if they'd honor the older champs by showing them
Hottake: Please dont give too much screentime to zeri. give her a small background role, ekkos sidekick probably. i dont want or need another league champ in arcane, focus on the current main cast and give everyone else cameos.
Only Camille pre-hextech body and pre-bossbitch renata are in my opinion appropriate to join season 2; camille becomes part of an anti-terrorist force beacuse of jinx and renata takes silcos spot as crimeboss.
@@BlackRainRaven Goat take. That’s my main worry as well, trying to focus on TOO many champions. Or trying to give EVERYONE a cameo. Focus on the main roster and the champs that have been teased (ww) until THIS story is finished.
What? Zeri is most trash champ, maybe only yuumi and ksante beats her, no one cares about her, she is bad, she needs to be deleted asap or hard reworked, she is not worthy to be in arcane
I think it's also important to note, because of the medium of TV series, they can't include every character that's from Zaun and Piltover. It's best to imagine that this is early in the timeline and some characters haven't become who they are yet. And also, both the cities are HUGE! It could be very likely that their stories are happening at the same time but we are just not seeing it.
I think Riot is overly ambitious by wanting everything to be one universe.
Arcane should be it's own thing, alongside other movies or shows they may release in the future.
Everything else should work together just fine.
And I don't think it's too much to ask of the audience to accept that Arcane is just it's own thing and not connected to the rest.
Every franchise is turning into a multiverse at the moment, so Runeterra having two different versions isn't that difficult to understand.
And are just going to forget about the other alternative universes from the skins?
It's just a strategic marketing move. Think how easily to bring people into the game with cinematics/movies (especially MMO they working on) and people gonna get confused when they find out that events in the show isn't actually canon and you need to read 15 novels instead of that.
Arcane IS just better, I don't want "iron man, but worse" coming from Jayce. There's still time to tie the loose ends that they NEED to tie and "overly ambitious" is fine with the budget and staff they have. The "I don't think it's too much to ask of the audience to accept that Arcane is just it's own thing" I agree when we talk about the acceptance of the new audience (but I disagree with the Arcane shouldn't be canon part), I mean it worked for harry potter and marvel (although let's not talk about current marvel, that IS a fucking shitshow)
I could see ziggs coming in and being some kind of connecting thread between ziggs and jinx being both an inventor and explosion lover
I would prefer if they became friends not lovers❤😊
they are perfect for each other @@lil_tari
I.. what@@lil_tari
The only new character that I'm really hoping for is Ziggs
bro matches Jinx's personality really well, they both like explosions and he would be a great companion to Jinx. He's possibly also a scientist as well, maybe with connections to Heimerdinger. This would also give the show another yorlde character, where there will be 1 yordle from each of the two regions.
Heimer being only 300 y/o also brings up the question of how did he saw the rune wars (I think he's referring to the rune wars when he's talking about of how humanity can't control magic )
maybe hes only spent 300 years outside bandle city.
@@saphcal he literally says his age in his first moment on screen
@@coleridgekinsler heimer? yes? i know? necrit mentions it in the video? im saying that could be how many years he spent outside of bandle city, because as necrit explained, time is different there. they might not track their "age" within bandle city.
Maybe the last Runic War is getting pushed forward in the new canon ?
@@firewolfandrewbRunic War being pushed forward is really fitting, since it will "legitimate" many aspects and plot holes. Like if Runic War happened toooo loong ago, ppl will question "why is Runeterra being stagnant way too long", or "why ppl afraid of magic if it has been thousands years since Runic War", or "why Demacia still being racist towards mages for thousands years".
If Runic War being pushed up to 2-300 years ago, than it fit Jarvan bloodline, for Jarvan the 4th is now current ruler.
I think a lot of this can be handled with time skips/perspective skips. For example, just because Renata is a major power broker in Zaun, doesn't mean that it's happening right now in Zaun. It could be events that occur 5-10-15 years later that detail her rise to power. The timeline can be a little bit timey-wimey when you merge multiple universes.
I really think they're gonna turn Sevika into Renata. Similar appearance, similar attitudes, and Sevika seems to be best poised to fill the void left by Silco, putting her in the same position Renata would be RN. In Arcane 2 Riot can either combine the characters, totally forget Renata exists, or have 2 entrepreneurial undercity cyborg ladies with the same arm missing. There seems to be too much aesthetic and narrative overlap for them to exist in tandem, and considering how Renata was released during Arcane I really doubt they'll scrap her. Of course Renata's lore would need to change, but no more than most other characters already have. Just my thoughts.
I thought the same. They feel very similair
Nah, what a mess. Arcane should have stayed as a separated universe.
Pls add Zac and Dr Mundo in Arcane season 2!
Blitzcrank >>
Would love it💚
No, jhin is best candidate
Make singed maincharacter pls yes
Zac is just Batman but empath now, he needs more!
I really do not like their decision to consolidate the lore. Having to adhere to one singular canon limits creativity. Arcane was so good partially because it was a re-imagining of the lore that fit Fortiche's storytelling style and artistic vision. But there are elements of the original canon that are beloved by fans but that wouldn't fit the world of Arcane, or that would bloat the story (the aforementioned Ziggs/Jinx is a perfect example). So either those have to be officially sacrificed, or Arcane 2 has to suffer.
It's also a totally unnecessary decision. Establishing one solid canon doesn't really provide benefits other than sounding good on paper. Maybe it's because I grew up on Nintendo games, but flexible lore has always felt natural to me. And with all the wacky skin lines in the base game, League of Legends can't avoid having multiple canons anyway, regardless of how hard they try to have one consistent universe.
To be honest Necrit, Ekko didnt get much sincere dialogue in arcane, i dont think there was any reason to mention parents, so they still could add it to the story later as a flashback or something
Which would still be weird, because why wouldn't parents, that he loves so much in his core, to be not mentioned even once? Every major character in Arcane has at least one familial connection mentioned, unless actually stated or shown otherwise
@@MrIljuha2000 Not really.
Vi, Powder and the others would already know of them and there was no reason to mention them to Caitlyn or Heimerdinger. Just because something wasn't mentioned doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
@@MrIljuha2000 In season 1 of Arcane, Ekko is a secondary character. Now, I expect this to change in season 2, but in season 1 he was only a side character that the main cast got to interact with. We never followed him, and he doesn't get an arc. I don't see any reason why his parents should have been mentioned, it wouldn't have mattered in any way to the storyline of season 1.
Long shot on Ekko, but since we know he develops the ability to truly time travel in convergence he could have gone back to when he was a child to try and stop something and inadvertently killed his parents leading to current Arcane Ekko.
Do we know that his parents are dead in Arcane or is that just an assumption?
That would be a mind-fuck that I would honestly not like to see as a writing perspective. Altough I agree, it is probably the only way to make convergence canon
I do not like the idea that Viktor is going to become "Evil". From what I understand of his stories and character's he has never been portrayed as evil, only as misunderstood and maybe a little grandiose. It really shouldn't be a question on how Viktor is going to become "Evil" but more on how Viktor is going to embrace further and further self augmentations in his own brand of progress.
Okay so I thought about it about a day after watching the video but I think I have actual critique about some things: Specifically the connection between Arcane and LOR. Everything that has been done in Lor was made without arcane in mind. There are tons of things there that have to be implemented from a different angle, things like the T-Rex will probably never happen. I am very certain that Arcane will continue to enjoy complete freedom to go wherever the story leads them, so don't be too certain that any Arcane characters LOR version will not be changed. And about retcons they will most likely happen around the arcane characters so everything we know right now about them - we don't now for sure except its in arcane.
Ekko doesn't have to be an orphan to be in the Firelights, he can still have loving parents. It's just something that needs to be explored in Season 2 in SOME degree. (We don't need an episode about him and his parents, but it would be nice.) As for Mundo and Urgot, those two are very easy to bring into Arcane 2, and we already have two examples of how they can do it. Vander and Viktor. All we really need is a background character for a Chem Baron who's a giant guy who gets in the way, and have Boram Darkwill send Urgot to Zaun to find "allies"... and have Urgot find a down-on-his-luck, desperate-to-finish-his-experiments Singed. Evil Singed isn't too difficult to bring out of this as well, even without going the Shimmer route. I wouldn't put it past them to have Mundo given to Singed as punishment, and Singed experiments on him, which turns him into Mundo the way that he turned Vander into Warwick.
That's all probably really basic and simple, and I doubt Arcane would do any of that as written - they're just examples of how it's possible, without too much work.
Singed and Orianna... that's going to be something they probably walk back. They never SAID it was Orianna, but they certainly liked it when we took it that way, so there's a responsibility there to clarify. Or modify somewhat - maybe Singed is the Godfather, or an Uncle, or just a family friend. Or the picture is someone entirely different and only exists in Arcane.
Man, this is only scratching the surface.
If Heimerdinger is now 307 years old and he was apparently remembering the Rune Wars, then that must have happened much later, as it was originally around 1000 years ago. The timeline is a mess now, events like the foundation of Demacia would now be more recent, unless specified otherwise. This will very quickly turn into a domino effect, changing many things in other regions.
Camille's whole story must be rewritten, she's no longer an 80 year old who is forever in her 20s, implying that Hextech was invented around 60 years ago. Now she must somehow have been kept alive (and young) without Hextech for decades, then she gets the Hextech treatment and suddenly she can go around parkouring in Piltover in less than 6 years.
Skarner is apparently no longer connected to Hextech, meaning that Hextech gems were seemingly created by... Ryze? And now Ryze is giving out magic gems even though they are very dangerous?
If Viktor will in fact turn resentful and just start hating humanity out of nowhere, then how sure are we that Blitzcrank won't just be old lore Blitzcrank? Remember that currently, Blitzcrank is a hero because he is being powered by a Hextech gem and that gem contains a brackern soul. Without all that, Blitzcrank could just end up being an evil robot, which is the same Blitzcrank we have in League, as his voice lines were never updated.
Was Ryze already blue by the end of the ruination? If not did we know how he turned out that way? I'm pretty sure he had normal skin with marks on it. Could it be that ryze turned blue sometime after this meeting with Jayce?
he could have used magic to change his skin color too
The Silco/Renata thing is solved so easily by the fact that Silco is now extremely dead and that this will create a power vacuum in Zaun. One where a new Chem Baron(-ess) might step in and take over in his place.
That would still retcon most of her story since she's been the boss for the majority of her life and is now around her fifties
Could the fast travel tower/device in arcane be cannonized as the new "Sun gate" that is mentionned here and there and also in Renata's voicelines ?
The Sun Gate is the bridge
honestly the league of legends lore is dead now its just going to keep going downhill from here. Why change already established lore it just doesn't make sense why change the story of places and characters that people love just becaue not everyone plays the games thats so dumb. when arcanee came out they said it was a love letter to the fans But now its very clear that they just want money from people who dont even like league its sad.
yeah very sad (and the emotional kind of sad more like the other way around) and don't forget that arcane is also a scam to lure in potential victims for league to destroy their minds, which is one of the reasons why i plan on buying half of the rights to jinx the loose cannon from riot games and repurpose her into a comic book character for my (non-superhero but still action-packed and adventurous) comic book company Skellington comics. (it's a working title)
I think Camille should be an easy shoe in as an escalation in brutal force after jinxs attack
I am fine with a lot of new characters not being in arcane 2 a long as we get more arcane seasons
Question! If Arcane is Canon does that mean Imagine Dragon is canon now? Since they are in the series
The Glimmer of yordles was always trash, it's just ridiculous that people are scared to fluffy creatures but they accept things like ugly gnomes from wow, and presents a lot of problems for the mmo too, like... if you play a yordle you are FORCED to use glimmer in a city? no thanks (also was never stated that ALL yordles use glimmer, the comic just says that was something that heimer channeled for his store). In other topic, Convergence story is really bad, if it's retconned the better.
It is a bit weird how they're going to make everything work, but I think it is doable with some shifting around. Like for Renata as an example, she could still become the chem-baron she is. Silco is gone and there is now a power-vaccum that people will fight for. Singed is a bit weird as he's clearly middle aged and we don't quite fully know his origins of how he ended up in Zaun, so there's some room to wiggle something in there. I think Jayce will want to begin Militarizing Piltover with the Hex-tech after Jinx's attack, and Viktor will want to use it to help people instead. Jayce could be introduced to Camille here and set-her story up along with the expansion of Hex-Tech. Viktor could create Blitz, or they could shift that to Ekko and Heimer, and just have Viktor focus more on the mechanical stuff. I don't know if we'll get much more of Vi & Jinx as it felt like they were the main focus on season 1, and season 2 will shift away from them a bit.
Urgot could be introduced along with another potential Noxus figure like Swain, which I felt like was being foreshadowed in season 1 with all the Crows. There could be some sort of conflict which severly hurts Urgot and that results in him getting left to die in Zaun. He then changes and could then be set-up for the cinematic where we see Vi & Cait take on Urgot (Seeing as that is also canon now). I don't think we'll see much or any of Seraphine, Mundo, Twitch, Zac or Ziggs. They don't strike me as characters that will be major players in Arcane's story. They could be referenced or have like a small scene to help with their story or character development. Seraphine could potentially used in Season 2 as she could provide music which ties the story of Piltover vs Zaun.
As for Ezreal and the Ionian's that travel to Zaun looking for Jhin, that's also something I'm not entirely sure on. Riot could just drop that whole story or they could make a cameo in the background of a scene.
TL/DR What if Renata ends up being an up and coming young woman instead, complete retcon...
'seraphine' and 'beloved character' dont fit well together
Probably a form of illusion magic, in order for Ryze to keep himself more hidden.
Renata could be the 2nd villain but i wonder how they conclude her story
Even though Ekko reconciles with his parents in Convergence, it might still be something that spurs him into helping actual orphans find a family.
And since it isn't explicitly confirmed that he is an orphan in arcane, it is possible to somehow merge them.
I disagree, in the core lore he had a very dear friend die and that friend is not in the firelight mural he and the firelights painted
yeah i think the issues with ekko are very managable
@@Kalaggu2020tbf, said friend dies AFTER he gets his Z-Drive tech built, doesn't have it currently
I mean, Ryze has a skin called "Young Ryze" (Human Ryze Before) where he isn't blue. So I'm guessing he just becomes blue when he's older.
Ekko is the 2nd person in this universe who can actually have different stories. The firts being zilian. I think its likely for ekko to go through time displacements and end up in different futures and past. And could give some butterfly effect to his story. Pretty cool
the whole point of the reset is to get rid of the "multiverse". what you just suggested would delve even more into the multiverse concept. think before you speak.
@@ssilentmedia having 2 characters that can reference the multiverse is a nod to the fact that league was a multiverse, and since they travel time it can happen and would be the easiest way for them to tie up the lose ends such as convergence
I don't like core lore from the game breaking and deforming to suit Arcane. It should be the other way around.
Agreed
The thing that confuses me most about the announcement is that Arcane being canon from now on forward will either mean that the plotarmor champion have (Jinx, Vi, Caitlyn, Jayce, Viktor, Heimerdinger, Ekko, Singed, Warwick) will increase a thousandfold or that some actual, current, popular champions get killed off?
WHY didn't they just make Arcane Canon instead of rewriting the Lore its just dumb in my Opinion.
Now they should release Silco as a champion in legend of Runeterra, and make Rennata use an upgraded version of Shimmer and control a ruined Zaun after Silco died and left all addicts without doses.
aww HEY maybe have Renata 'carry on' Silco's Shimmer cartel? it's a long shot, but yeah
And who did arcane reference would take over? HM?? SEVIKA, RIGHT? SEVIKA HAS A ROBO """"""LEFT""""" ARM, RIGHT?? I AM NOT CRAZY, YOU ARE CRAZY. I HAVE BELIVED FOR A YEAR NOW, I BELIEVEE!! edit: AND VI RIPPED IT OFF WICH MEANS SHE CAN UPGRADE IT LIKE RENATA HAS IT. II AMM NOOT CRAZYY, YOU ARE
well ekko is the time boy so you can still make it canon in a way that in the future he manages to travel back and grow up with his parents
I don’t like the way you brush past things that completely change the worldbuilding of Runaterra.
There’s a reason why Piltover is built above Zaun, which is to escape the toxic air. That doesn’t make sense if they’re next to each other.
Silco is the first to call the undercity the “Nation of Zaun”, which if we’re following the canon presented in Arcane, would completely vanish the entire canon of Oshra Va’Zaun being the city that was there in the first place. The very name “Piltover” existing wouldn’t make sense because the city is no longer built above the river Pilt.
Corina Veraza would make zero sense giving the context from LotR to Arcane, giving that she’s Silco 3.0 (or the OG Renata)
That means Mel would most likely die if there’s no mention of her at all in League or Lotr, which is spoiling the 2nd season before it even begins.
Viktor doesn’t make sense. Ekko doesn’t make sense, Orianna doesn’t either. Camille suddenly stops having any importance.
You’re defending mediocrity. You’re defending a terrible idea. This is not for the best. They had two years to clear this up before giving the announcement and we only received silenced on their part, now we have to wait until Fall 2024 (Another whole year) wondering what’s canon and what’s not just for Arcane season 2 to come out and (I’ll be coming back to this comment once this happens) present even more incongruity to the narrative that they will not be able to fix properly. To which you will then say “It’s just fine I don’t really care.”
Tbh the ONLY thing that makes me scared of the whole "IP team" and Arcane being canon-
Are champions allowed to die now? Arcane being its own thing somewhat allowed for NOT being afraid of plot armor (specifically plot armor from OUTSIDE of the story, I.E. *old* LoL canon)
And IF they are allowed to have abrupt story ends- what does that mean for the MMO, for League?
Even if their story "ends" they can still be summoned in LoL. But does that make an impact on their dialogue, or whatever.
And ultimately: Does this LIMIT what they can do in Arcane now??
Seraphine better show up in Season 2. She can literally heal Powder with her singing voice and would be the only one who can understand her.
Or make her worse
Honestly, I'm fine with Convergence not being canon. Its a messy story with underdeveloped characters and inconsistent champions. Camille is suddenly a good person and acts like Caitlyn, Warwick is obsessed with killing Ekko for some reason, Jinx is just there to drive sales, etc.
In the Ruination book, Ryze is not blue/purple, he is a normal human with strong magic affinity for runes, so maybe he will get a big big update soon TM
that would still mean they have to retcon his story since he is 1000+ years old and is born a bit before ruination
I guess? Ruination did happen 1000+ years ago in the Ruined King game and he was like 17 when Ruination happened @@mostneuter
@@kristenhoon5688 then it's either impossible to be ryze in arcane or they will re-write his entire story and so retcon parts of ruination
So many thoughts...
1) Viktor doesnt need to be considered evil. His motivations are that hes helping people to be their best selves, ethics be damned. Singed is in this camp too, and his old lore folds in to Arcane, despite what you're saying. Singed shows us numerous times that he's unethical. He made Vander Warwick. He abused that lizard to make shimmer. He used shimmer to experiment on Zaunites for the hell of it. Hes still a horror character.
2) Ekkos convergence is about time manipulation. Just say that he fucked the timeline and the main timeline is arcane. Done.
3) Warwick is 100% Vander. They teased it at the end of the last episode with Vander strung up like WW.
4) Blitzcrank can easily be retconed. His connection was weak and with Vi being retconned it makes sense.
5) Renata refinned shimmer after taking over in the power vacuum caused by Silco dying. Camile can be the counterpoint to Renata.
A lot of the lore plot holes are pretty easily cleaned up, and I am grateful they stuck with Arcane as its the superior lore IMO. Especially if they continue it as an anthology series where it shifts from PZ to Noxus to Ionia etc.
Oh, and they show Zaun several times as being directly under Piltover in Arcane. The bridge could be the main thoroughfare to the under ciry. But theres definitket elevators and pipes that go down to it. So less like an L and more like a sideways U
League should not influence Arcane. Arcane should influence League.
And how exactly would it do that?
@@opus_Xby being good
@@mrchungSo you're saying Arcane season 1 wasn't good enough?
Yes
League as a platform isn't good at showing a story anyways
Only so much you can show in a 5v5 arena with no PvE
The easiest answer to these kinds of dilemma in Canon is Transformers. No, I'm not joking, they, literally, solved this problem decades ago. The answer was "everything is canon in its own continuity."
This would have been the perfect answer for League as well. Between LoL, Runetera and Arcane, there was never going to be a way that you could, satisfyingly, tie it all together with one neat bow. So why force it? LoL is LoL and Arcane is Arcane. It's such a simple answer and a proven theory; they were usung it already too.
It seems to me, modern writers feel like they *_have_* to have a single world, where everything fits neatly together; otherwise they have failed at world building. Which makes zero sense. Just look at popular media over the ages. The vast majority of fiction breaks from having just a single continuity. Sure, in many, a single continuity is picked as the main one, but in most cases, other continuities will have just as many, if not more, fans of it.
Riot is making a mistake by trying to force a single canon, because it is also dismissive of their other continuities that have been floating around below the surface of the lore. Like the Pool Party Arc, the Star Guardians and so on.
I loved ekko’s original lore and I like ekko’s appearance in arcane but I don’t know how they’re going to do this but I hope somehow they combine the two
I think there's till a lot of time to explore loose threads
I feel like I'm the only one who hates this change. Having 2 or more universes/canons opens up so much more room for creativity. And it's not that people can't handle multiple universes. Comic books had this forever. It's the reason the Spider-verse movies worked. I think it just never was communicated right. But now first of all we lose a ton of amazing stories, all that work from amazing writers was for nothing because Arcane made more money and now Arcane doesn't have the freedom to do whatever they want like killing a champion for example. I loved that I had 2 or 3 different Universes with the same characters, that told different stories that I can love for different reasons. I didn't prefer one over the other, but now one half of that has to die and cannot continue.
Though one thing I like about this is that Jinx's and Vi's Runeterra stories when arcane came out are canon now, because they were just to wholesome and healed my heartache after the first 3 episodes ;)
I'd love to see Zeri in Arcane 2. She fits the theme and her powers would make some stunning scenes visually!
have er' Join the Firelights? Sounds good to me
Riot clearly just saw that fans wanted arcane to be canon and said "Yep, it's canon now", without thinking about the consequences for the core stories
Perhaps Renata took over officially after Silco died? I've always imagined she'd simply take over with that happening, possibly earning Piltover's trust by deliversing Silco's body to the council or something. It could be really interesting. Though I don't believe she'll appear as more than a cameo in S2... unfortunately... Her and Camille could make great secondary villains for the political relations plotline.
Silco did say there was bigger fish, maybe that means her?
@@d4s0n282 Finn* said so and he said it refering to himself to sway sevika, so no. I don't think so. BUT!! mark my words, SEVIKA IS RENATA, I HAVE BELIEVED FOREVER AGO AND ALWAYS WILL, till proven otherwise of course
@@Kalaggu2020I dont think so, sevika is too tough, to be renata, the body type just would not work and all, plus personality is totally different
@@Kalaggu2020 They look nothing alike except for the prosthetic and the darker skin, and we know how Sevika lost her arm; and it was certainly not trying to save her parents from a fire. They really *shouldn't* merge them into one, as they are such inherently different characters.
@@The.Official.Serpentine Dude, you forget that any point based on "league lore" is objectively wrong until proven otherwise (so anything like "renata this or that, ekko this or that, senjuani this or that" in the now established "old lore"). Arcane overwrites anything lore related and EVERYTHING can change, that's the entire point of the dev blog. So get mad at me if you want but riot literally said so, you might as well be mad at them. But also, your point IS valid. I'm doing a VERY farfetched theory, but I still believe
I am pessimistic of this change because it’s going to make it extremely difficult for writers to make good stories if certain plot points and characterizations HAVE to be hit. Sometimes, an adapted story develops in a way that makes it extremely awkward and even impossible to reconcile with old canon. I think Arcane was successful in part because it had the wiggle room to diverge for existing canon as needed.
I love Ekko's new story arc... i think it's amazing and way more interesting. Victor as well... amazing storyline for him. I'm excited to see what happens with those two especially.
Just change the title to "How Leagues lore update ruined its universe", and youre good to go.
I mean… we don’t know what Singed does in his spare time. He’s making Warwick after all. I wouldn’t be surprised if he kidnapped other people.
i dont really believe they would jeopardize the integrity of the story simply because it's already written in some way in the card game, so i dont think the question should be - "how is x character gonna become like this", but rather - "are they still gonna wanna follow this direction or change it completely?"
I think trying to connect everything into the same universe is going to run into issues the same ways it has in the past. They should've just said they would limit the number of universes they are maintaining, and trying to keep the core as stable as possible. Having everything be canon in the same universe is something that sounds good on paper, but will be a source of headaches going forward in perpetuity for all the edge cases that would be cool in a branched universe, but really difficult to massage into canon. So either potentially cool stuff will just not get written (since they require a branched universe), or the core canon will keep having more and more jank.
This whole mess is just suck a nightmare. Making legends of Runeterra fit with the cannon is fine but making Arcane do the same is just absolutely smashing so many incredible pieces of writing and lore creation to bits. I really can not understand why they would make Arcane cannon, it's just such a mess.
Personally i wanna see Arcane 2 explore another part of the world like Noxus or Garen/Lux/Gallio area.
Theres so much amazing lore to build upon with Arcane and yet if we wanna further explore Jayce/Victor/Vi/Jinx etc theres just no way we will get any other zone covered in the next 5-6 years (2-3 seasons) and that feels awfull.
Im not a fan of the modern style of 8-10 episodes per season with 1-2 years between seasons instead of the old 20-24 episode / season and a new season every year but with 3x longer seasons it feels like less of a downtime.
I believe they said season 2 will wrap up Piltover/Zaun, and we're likely to see characters from other regions start to pop up - we've already gotten a taste of Noxus in S1 and I expect more and more of the world to be introduced in S2.
@@DelothVyrr I truly hope so because as much as i like Vi/Jinx /Singed / Jayce and all theese characters i feel if u don't start to branch out they loose out on alot of oportunity.
I still think they truly need to implemnt more episdoes per season then 8 or 10, it's to few to get truly invested in a season, atleast make it 12 or 15 episodes so that u can have 4-5 parts of 3 episodes so u spread it out on either 5 weeks or 15 weeks on top end giving us less downtime.
@@DelothVyrrThey are developing other projects in animation and live action for other regions, they are not going to accelerate everything to end in one season when there are still characters to show, there is still a lot of story to tell in Piltover and Zaun
tower transports will make mmo travel easy
Necrit is the only person who got me into league's lore , but since everything is canon my question is , why would anyone care and later to watch season 2 of arcane even , i feel sad in one way
I've been reading the comments here and as much as I'd like to see characters like Jhin, Camille, Renata, while some do have good reasons why they should be in S2. I'm just thinking how hard that would be 😅 since the main characters have to fix the situation that happened after the end of S1. Continuing with the storyline with Warwick and then adding like 10 characters they'd have to properly develop within 8-10 episodes. Hopefully no one gets disappointed just because their favorite character didn't show yet. But realistically there's only so much screen time they can use which is necessary for the old characters and the new story which will be told.
Plus I would rather see NEW people from other nations being introduced (which can actually happen because of what happened at the end of Season 1).
@@Levi_Ackerman_005 They said that there will be 3 new champions in the second season, we already know that Warwick is one of them, I would say that Camille and Renata are the other 2
12:01 Well there's still space for Ekko's parents to be alive, since they weren't stated to be dead, I mean they might just not have anything to do with the main storyline.
I was really excited for jayce and viktor to be together maybe we'll see smthn happen now that mel died (I kinda feel bad for mel's pixels she was nice)
I want Renata Glasc to step up as a main antagonist in season 2 which probably won’t happen, but I will continue to hope for it.
"Teemo has been involved in dealing drugs in the past" our boi hustling
DW. THat tower will be nuked in Arcane 2 by ziggs & Jinx. In fact jinx send her rocket at it no?
chemtech is the technology where you use shimmer and a variance of other chemicals as fuel. and hextech isn't even a substance as you portray it in this video so what exactly are you confused about mister know it all?
Renata might rise into the power vacuum left by Silco's death and might take over the Shimmer business.
As I said elsewhere, this is a very bad idea and they'll regret it. It's going to make storytelling in each medium worse as writers are now obligated to adhere to decisions outside of telling the best version of a story in the own lore.
am i the only one that thinks making arcane canon will now burden the show? now riot has to cater to all champions instead of focusing on a select few. remember there is no inherently more important champion than the other after all. I am really worried now that arcane 2 will flop and not meet expectations.
I just hope they don't cram characters or "nods to the larger lore" in season 2 for no good narrative reason. Characters and stories pieces need room to breeze. They restrained themselves in season 1 so I'm hopeful on that front, but we never know what Riot could enforce.