You guys be proud ...of your work.. here in Florida there in not, more old school.. and the reason is. Instead of 4 nails. We have to nail 6.. for all u guys who think, u can beat a nail gun.. I will like to see it.. even the best hand nailed guys.. admitted..
Guys that do this for a living should remember ONE thing. This is a young man's game. You won't want to be doing this when you are 50. Or likely even 40. I garawndamtee.
Agreed... his mad fast with that hammer but I'd kill him with a gun... I remember the days hand nailing BUT never be as quick with hand nailing as you are with a gun. Great Job tho.
I was about to say the same. He's good, but he's not packing 120 nails per reload. Get those guys some guns and compressors! Like my old boss making me bang 1000s t posts by hand into volcanic rock because he liked to watch us work our asses off and earn our pay. It wasnt until a few years into the line of work I experienced a compressed banger. I was furious how easy it made it and the permanent damage in my hands could have been avoided.
It's a "sport" just like having the biggest/most extravagant house, car, phone, watch etc... Just like having the higher status, job, etc... Just like being in the higher status social circles... Just like having the highest grades/education or... or... etc... Anything, even a meaningless waste of life, time, effort, and energy where you can "one up" other people is fair game for being a "sport" just like actual sports!
I've roofed all of my entire life, I started in 1974, I always enjoy seeing someone using a nail stripper, that and just hand nailing. I used a nail stripper for 14 yrs before I ever used air. The one thing I know is this, Nobody, No one person is the Best, nor the Fastest, Nobody!!! But you can be one of them,
My partner liked the nail stripper but I just rolled them in my fingers I loved roofing still do I followed hail storms for AAA roofing for yrs and base jobs I couldn't be beat in 6 states lol worked hard and played hard and still roofing at 59 ( just not as fast ) lol
Exactly right we had a family owned roofing business I roofed for 38 years made a lot of money but in my younger days I'd run circles around these guys nailing with a hammer old school 😊
youd need multiple compressors and guns for this huge crew lines tangle reloading gun maybe new build and doesnt have power yet so add a genny to run the compressors hammers and kneepads are cheap most likely why
Almost every roofing crew I've seen runs gas engine powered compressors. More power and no risk of breaking circuits. You could cut the required crew per job in half, spread them out over multiple concurrent jobs, and probably do 4 times the jobs per day. There is no advantage to hand nailing that outweighs the benefits of using pneumatic nailers.
i agree with using nail guns. if u knpw anything about nail guns u wpuld know they can be adjusted so they deliver just enough power. . no advantages to hand nailing. rookies. hand nailing is for cavemen. takes double the time.
the other guys will work slower because he's rippin on them then, this "fast" roofer will get a big head and go start his own roofing co and this guy will be stuck with all very slow workers, gettin paid hourly (paybacks a real biatch)
I was landscaping in a new housing development with cousin one day. We stopped to smoke a bowl and re-fuel a heater in a nearby house. We were up there...Getting stoned and out of the wind and rain. We were above all the new homes being build. Freshly. We stood there and watched a gust of wind come along and rip, almost every shingle off the side of a house.
Thanks for the info. I'll look into my local code before doing my roof. So many videos on UA-cam of "fast" roofers use 4 or 5 nails during hand nailing.
why not nail all the nails when you are on that shingle? why take the time and go back? 15 sq is nice by hand but my best day I can do almost 40 with a gun....nailing the whole shingle off (6 nails) when I lay it down
the hardest trade i think... freeze your ass off in the winter, die of heat in the summer, on your knees all day, back breaking, im not a roofer by trade but my hats off to you guys! especially guys that earn their money by working hard and fast like this fella
@@sosa30086 So Were Going To Ignore The Fact That You Need To Keep A Hose Connected To The Compressor ? Brotha I'm Pretty Fast Not The Best But Those Are Just Facts ...Your Not Outdoing Him Because He is Alot More Mobile And If You Done Roofing As Long As I Have You Know I'm Stating Facts ...Not My Opinion Sir
@@pedropaloblanco3841 I've won roofer of the year award and my times don't lie just opened up my own company in Chicago and in need of laborers lmk if interested
Ross Horan You're saying that because it's not your job. If you got paid the amount he did to stand on the roof and watch people work i believe that you'd have a quite different outlook :P
+DirtyChode23 Where do the nails need to be placed? I am starting a position as a roofer next week and I have never done this line of work before. Any bit of information will help. Also, 15 squares is that 15 square feet?
No sir a square is a section that is 10'x10' or 3 sheets of plywood. You ideally want to place one nail at both ends no more then an inch from the end of the shingle and the rest of the nails should be dispersed somewhat evenly between the end two. It really depends on the roof pitch where in the nail zone you put the nails. For a steep roof over a 5-12 you can nail right on the line but with a 4-12 or lower pitch you need to nail just a little bit higher so you don't have water bleeding back on the nail heads. Go online and find instructions from elk, iko, Owens corning or gaf cause they are some of the biggest material manufactures in the us and have plenty of installation instructions for you
I have ripped 15 sq two layer roof got my own shingles and cleaned up the ground myself in 8 hours . the best dream I ever had lol...roofing is one of the most manual labor there is ..respect.. .
@@angelmedina3367 sure buddy. No company paying illegals 350 a day. I can make 350 a day at my job an I am not on a damn roof in the summer. Two weeks vacation every year, 401k, insurance, sick time, holiday pay, and guarantee salary all year. Westlake chemical company. I use to work construction and it's not worth the toll on your body. What OSHA violation can you spot. Not a single person tied off on the roof. No fall protection.One person falls off the roof and the company is done. Cheap ass company don't care who falls off a roof and you think they pay 350 a day? Ok illegal immigrant.
Why only 4 nails? Also, I am faster with a gun(6 nails) than this guy is with his hands, and since I manage my air pressure properly in all temperatures, and my air tools and hoses are kept well lubed and in good working order, blow-throughs are uncommon. There is no need to hand-nail anymore. It's a waste of effort, time, and money. Even in the winter. I've been roofing this entire snowy winter with a gun, and I've had no problems.
I agree, here in florida I nail until around noon in the summers and come back around 5-pm and nail until dark. No need for hand nailing. Besides 99% of leaks are flashing details.
If it was my own house and I had all the time in the world to get it done, I'd hand-nail it, sure. As long as I can sip a beer in between bundles and work at a leisurely pace blasting the radio without a care in the world, my boss not hounding me for not getting done 7 squares per man per day tear off, dry in, and shingle, I'd hand-nail that roof. Any mechanic worth his salt keeps his gun and compressor in good working order at all times. If you blow through shingles or shoot low(or high) nails in shingles, that's your dumbass fault. Should have taken better care of your shit.
pretty awesome really. I don't care if he then fastest in the world. the quality of the work is solid. I'd want that guy work in on my roof. old school style with the hair. ... for sure drives the nail in instead of couple of misfires on a gun
Is this 1970 or something? Why are you all hand banging. The one guy is kind of fast, only puts 4 nails in though which is bunk. And the rest of the crew puts a shingle down every minute. Buy a compressor and some guns! It will make your days go by quicker, instead of the slow guys putting a shingle down every minute, they could put a shingle down every few seconds, with 6 nails on the nail line.
Yeah that would be a weird law. Hand banging is so slow. And have you ever realized when you rip a roof that was hand banged, it comes off extremely easy? I'd love to see someone try and hand bang a 12/12, or 18/12. Would be nearly impossible, it's much easier with a gun because you can hold the shingle with one hand and nail with the other.
Roofing is a young Man's game! I did it for years, I once carried 200 packs of 80lb shingles up a 12 ft ladder, and walked them to the top roof in 1 day and flipped them into on the top peaks of 3 subdivision houses we Where roofing! Talk about sore AF the next day! Anyway, I prefer a gun, but I can hand nail almost as fast..
I started roofing on the side for extra income as I’m 17 and I’ve been at it for about 6 months and I use a gun and I’m faster yet still good nail placement
Ya 20 inches with no nails is extreme this is not good quality . You only need 3 or so inches on the side of each seam so a 6 -8 inch space with no nails is sufficient at the seam.
WOW...kewl! You need to give that dude a C-gar!!!! He's flying! Watching him lay shingles is like watching a well oiled machine run! No waisted motions, every movement perfect! And it means a lot more, if you've ever put a roof on, before! This guy doesn't need to plink a chalk line to keep his grid straight! Way to go!!! And thanks for making and posting a superb video!!!
Mike Brennan we get paid when the job is finished. We have to go fast to make a living. We need to be onto the next job. And for us with experience, going fast for us isn't excluding workmanship. If someone has little to no experience and going that "fast", then it's a problem. We understand everyone thinks they're special and their house is the only house that matters, but you aren't. And it isn't. It's just another house. We do this everyday for years. We can go fast and do it right. If we didn't, or couldn't, we wouldnt be in business very long. People need to make a living.
As a customer, fast is irrelevant and my house is the only one that matters. If you treat your customer's life long investment as just anther house, you won't be in business long.
Thurston Crawford when you've been doing it for a decade or two it's just another house. Sorry to say. It's done right and that's all that matters. Also most people DO want it done fast because they don't want their home to be a construction site for more than a day or two. Not to mention that with years of experience shinglers tend to go at their own pace, which is generally "fast". There's a difference between fast and sloppy/indifferent. If I give you a 10 year warranty on labour and whatever manufacturer warranty on material there's not much to whine about. Im sure you don't complain when your car needs repairs and it's done in a timely fashion. Same thing.
Shewwee!!! Love it 💪 I remember back in the day when I first got started there was some older guys that could hand nail like that but, I haven’t seen that in years
My friend's cousin's next door neighbors had a guy that lived down the road from them who had a brother that went to school with a guy that dated this girl who had a step-cousin that could do it way faster
2 nails short, but definitely quick at the hand bang. Maybe where you are 4 is ok, but in Florida its 6. I miss laying shingles but would not want to do it every day again.
Turned 73 last month ..... Just did a two layer tear off, 29 sq re shingle in theee days with two helpers. Im slower than dog turd compared to those two thirty year old animals. We had three days with temps over 80. It might be my last one.
Well that's unfortunate because he's not going to beat me speaking first and foremost with a gun that's not going to happen I'm the fastest on the East Coast I've proved it 6 years in a row
This video is a testament to how youtube is littered with unintelligent children. The fact this video has more likes then dislikes shows there are no grown ass working tradesmen watching youtube videos lol
This backbraking proffession is dope and mad respects to you guys. Cnc machining is my line of work and im heading into training this fall. Love life, guys.
17 2/3sq. Hand nailed. Installed the 15# felt by myself. Tossed the shingles up off the back of the stake body truck by myself. 4 sided hip roof house. Ridge caps. 8am-4:30. 1974
Yep everyones a badass when their young, My friends and I were all a bunch of animal contractors by the time we were in our early 20s, own business, emoloyees and we were ALL gona be retired by 50 and enjoy the rest of our lives... HAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!... OHHHHH SHIT!!!!! LOLOLOL.... We get together every now and again and have a lot of laffs at how fuckin stupid we were.... Alls ya hear is I shoulda got a town job, I should of been a fireman, Or the real funny one I should of been a policeman, YOU COULDNT OF PAST THE DRUG TEST GARY WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU KIDDEN.... Yeah Yer Right hes still just a roofer..LOL. Alls Im sayin is you will have fun with it and you will have good times with yer crews BUT I dont care care if you can handnail 50 sq a day... YOU WILL NEVER EVER GET RICH IN THIS TRADE!!!!... EVER... So have all the nail banging races ya want!!!... OH Black Hat Ya missed a couple of there Pal!!!
Yeah I roofed a house a day with a Mexican guy in Oakland, California named Rochendo. He didnt speak English and I spoke very little Spanish at that time. Anyways,, he used a tray just like that. I had never seen one before him, or since. I would set up the compressor, get the air hose to the gun, put on metal/paper/starter & first couple of rows and then peek over on his side and he'd be about 1/3 - 1/2 done! That guy was a machine. One day I said, hey man you ever used a gun? He came over and was even 3-5 times faster!!! I took my gun back and he laughed at me. He broke bulls for the rodeo on his one day off each week. I stayed in bed all day recovering. Where do you get a tray like that?
Number one. I'm a faster nailer than that guy and two he isn't even nailing in the right places. He will have to come down the rack and add the fourth nail as well. I know the guy that invented that thing hanging around his neck it's called a stripper 3 row for comp two row for wood. also which I can probably load faster than that guy, I also know the guy that invented those shingles which are called 3 Dimensionals, the first were Architect 80's and we made them before Arch 80's ever came out. I'll add this, my STAPLE gun will out lay any NAIL GUN ever invented. NP. Fact. He's also sitting wrong and using knee pads. Guys an amatuer. He will wear out in 10 years or less, back problems. Lol. Give him an A for effort. Makes a nice show for nerds that dont know cripe though like 90% of the roofers and 100% of the home owners and contractors. Let me teach that guy, and you will have the fastest roofer ever. Course Ide need a hundred a day just for lessons PLUS whatever I put down myself. That should total 200 a day, also probably in less than 8 hours. Gravy. NP. I might take my pay plus a few bucks a square off the guys squares which is the way it should be done. But for thee fastest roofer? I'll need a hundred a day, just for the lessons. He wastes moves, nails wrong and is slow anyhow. Or 750 a week salary 9 cash) and Ill make every guy on your crew faster than that guy. 5 days. I don't do weekends. Been there done that. Not worth it. I will give ya credit for one thing, he is using the right hammer. IF its a fixed gauge and not a slide gauge. Anybody who uses an estwing should be fired. I also need to see his tape and his knife. "Normal guy" is a noob, I can make him faster than your fastest guy. In 3 months. Just sayin. Send me 500 bucks and Ill tell you with a paper and pencil whats really goin on. To many things to list in a comment on youtube. You do wood? Tile? How Mop? Rubber? Torch Down? I do ALL. Shingling is the EASIEST roof their is. Hot Mop is hardest. A good wood man is impossible to find. Ive done steamed wood shingles on rolled eaves. You dont even know what I just said hahahaha. Today its "Made in China Roofing." Quality is meaningless. I know quality AND speed. Tell ya something else, that roof their will be messed up...why? Cause you put both those bozos on one side. The pattern is also messed up. Your running a six inch pattern and not even doing that right, those shingles should be ran on 5 and 5/8. That information alone I should charge you 100 bucks. Roof Doctor, Lol. Do I see a chalk line in between the guy on bottom and guy on top? Nope. That'll be another hundred. I've forgotten more than you'll ever know. Im telling you I can tell you FIVE things you're doing wrong from watching this vid, I could tell you 10 things your doing wrong from looking at the roof after its done. In 5 minutes. Kudos for having "some" pride in your work, but it's misplaced. You don't know what your doing. God bless. Now just imagine you Really knew what you were doing. At that point your making money and can say, "I did that." And smile. I'll take a hundred for my comment.
neway I know my old boss is fast as anyone I know, I see other crews, and companies and its SO FAR beyond ALL of them ive seen..Or EVER seen again, even on here with guns..>he smokes EVERYONE I see on here...Its like well known t hing that he can put on a BIG ASS roof..By himself in a day! but his dad did it before him so hes been gunning for ? 34 years id say. lol Still fast as fuck...id like to go get a roofing job with his company, I like the guy, both bosses son and dad...but they just wont pay people what they are worth, and they live in castles built for them and buy 90-150K trucks ..BRAND NEW...Sick and had three great trucks already, and we got paid 10 an hour, and denied a Christmas bonus for two years I got I think 100 bucks t he first year I started, and those 3 years I was there is when we had a full crew of fast and guys thata did that for 10 years under my bosses son...THEY QUIT at the same time, 3 of them..Cuz they were only making as much as MOST roofing companies. Normally,..Starting out like I would get 15 and DONT NEED ANY experience, and they promise raises the better you get and get evaluated and if u work with JEALOUS shit people that know im good at the shita nd only been there a year and knew as much as all of them guys, except my boss. I was with him most the time so I seen a lot of things, and he w ould make me make flashing, and then make the craziest cuts that half to fit flush and have a lip on the upper part and grind about...1/4in or well maybe a hair less than that id say...and then the lip has to fit PERFECT in so many ways, I was tricky, and he said I went fast ...He beat me by not real long, 15 mins and im like lol ur done how can I be doing it fast, and hes like im whatever 40 and not everyone and have a great eye , because u will run into problems he said, it s who can problem solve the best and get it done perfect. I act ually LIKE to roof sounds so crazy...but yea and im not a greedy dude..by any means... id let AN Y ONE that knows me personal Im confident they would vouche on ANYTHING I say. im rusty now, id have to relearn numbers I need to know and just u know everything, its bee 4 years now, but its like riding a bike, just a few days of hearing certain numbers, j us hearing one will snap all the information back into my brain and yea once I even get a reminder ill problaby just be able to look ar ound and remembering how it was...idk why I like it...I think and I don't have a job LOL, but I like HARD WORK, and I cadn come home beat up, and get a swhower relax and pass out in my chair trying to watch something LOL...and slept great them days...Miss it, if the money was just FAIR, even a LITTLE LESS than fair I would eccept but im not going to have a job BUSTING ASS, RISKING MY LIFE cuz people want to be roofers but are smart enough or want to put in HARD work EVEN if I give them smart work, Which if I wasn't there, NO ONE was going to this edge that is so fucking high u cant get to it other than top coming down to that side and yea so many ways u can slip and u would never be able to catch urself and its so fuckign high we didn't ahvea later to reach it from that side... BUT they just tore off the old roof and NOONE will go down and grab the shingles, and boss is flippin cuz he wotna nd just didn't know what to do..Im like hey give me that rope ill attach it to my lanyard and ill go down and u just keep tension and id throw about a bundle of WET ass shingles on my shoulders and I had him pull me up and its easy if ur careful and watch how u move. But yea three more ropes but NO ONE would go down...I get it? or not really tbh..they sit around and literally watched me, and normally the boss will GO OFFF on them guys cuz ALL the crew are just standing around WAT CHING lol like im thinkn u mfers need to go do other shit and get this thing done, and lol the main old boss was just so fucking happy, smiling cuz I was doing that and doing ti really fucking fast...lol id literally run dam near vertical lol like im on a repel linea nd boss is like omg don't run sideways lol cuz he had to leave and I do think he bitchd at them when he was leaving and I had to tie down and get the last quarter of that sides shingles, so yea hes like if u need someone to get the rest of those, and then he yells someone is holding that rope if I ask them too, but I was able to put shingles on both shoulders and like just hand over hand walking up the fucking drop off lol..ive seen people afall off roofs that aren't even that high and hit concrete and man..he got fucked up..great dude, all good though hes doing good...but ive almost fell off of HIGH up, and ? GOD lol but I was about to go off a house head first and if I would of it was about a 35ft drop to a long suburban road and gravel. DEAD and im falling o backwards, I stepped on a plank that some fucdking idiot didn't nail together and im walking on a 2x4 and I just drop the right leg and was SOOO far back leaning like and MOMENTUM and I just idk I remember reaching the bundle of shingles I like thru it hard towards roof and leg go with oen and it litter pulled me back up at a point where if that didn't happened no matter what I did I was FUCKEED..to realy that bag of shingles saved mhy life when I used it for a counter balance in a fucking split second, ol fucking scared to death thinking im done, and just reacted like I did so fast, cuz I know I was going to splatter if I went off...But never feel and seen a lot of people get hurt, but yea...ikd im about safety, but I work with any roofing company that hired me if they said we do this and that , this and that way. So yea, long as u are careful and have enough experience BUT experienced mfers can and have fell off roofs too...Just saying im not um ...the safety police and all roofers know what im getting around too..lol so...yea...I wouldn't mind going back to work roofing.
I've done 24 sq in a day. 8.5 hrs. 7/12 pitch re- roof 1 1/4 nails Hand drive.. I was 19, ...😊 51 now, still squeeze out 12 or 13 in a day still, every now and then. Nail gun now though. 33 yrs still at it.
The slowest roofer was actually the one behind the camera
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Got em
Lmaoo
👏🏾👌🏾😂🤣😂 pays to be the boss man!!!
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You guys be proud ...of your work.. here in Florida there in not, more old school.. and the reason is. Instead of 4 nails. We have to nail 6.. for all u guys who think, u can beat a nail gun.. I will like to see it.. even the best hand nailed guys.. admitted..
When the boss works for 5 mins then expects the same outta you for 12 hrs lol
back in the day , I could lay 20 sq a day with a freaking hatchet !!😎
Guys that do this for a living should remember ONE thing. This is a young man's game. You won't want to be doing this when you are 50. Or likely even 40. I garawndamtee.
Damn he's good.
that guy is awesome tell him I will not raise him LOL
What good is speed when the roof blows away because he shorted it 2 nails per sleeve?
even the "slow" guy put down more shingles than you.
Explain the starter strip up the gable, its purpose.
My nail gun won't get tired though
I heard a hammer is better than a nail gun when installing shingles. Is that true or is it bullshit? Anyone know?
I'll have to say hes impressive especially with gloves on but he's not gonna beat someone with a gun
Agreed... his mad fast with that hammer but I'd kill him with a gun... I remember the days hand nailing BUT never be as quick with hand nailing as you are with a gun.
Great Job tho.
I was about to say the same. He's good, but he's not packing 120 nails per reload. Get those guys some guns and compressors! Like my old boss making me bang 1000s t posts by hand into volcanic rock because he liked to watch us work our asses off and earn our pay. It wasnt until a few years into the line of work I experienced a compressed banger. I was furious how easy it made it and the permanent damage in my hands could have been avoided.
He was saying if the the guy hand nailing had a gun,he would be unbeatable and honestly....he's probably right
@@jeremybearringer7831 don't know who said that..
@@jeremybearringer7831 he would just be another foreman on a commercial company
the other guy is probably thinking fuck that im gettin paid by the hour not production 😂😂😂
some get paid by the job
They're getting paid by the square.
Christopher Crawford if there union its hourly
s2000 Rk I'm pretty sure they said they're getting paid by the square.
Jaysen Blackman lol yeah
I love how all the roofers have a rivalry 😂
They’re all legends in their own heads.
That’s what Crack Does to you 😒
Every one of em gotta be the best.
@@openyoureyes3113 LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL im fucking dead
i didn't know roofing was a sport...
Anything blue-collar is a sport...
It's a "sport" just like having the biggest/most extravagant house, car, phone, watch etc... Just like having the higher status, job, etc... Just like being in the higher status social circles... Just like having the highest grades/education or... or... etc...
Anything, even a meaningless waste of life, time, effort, and energy where you can "one up" other people is fair game for being a "sport" just like actual sports!
It's not a sport, it's a job, which a lot of people don't do good at. More roofers should learn from this guy
Heyy calm down there freak. Do yourself a favor and keep your fantasies to yourself.
You need help.
I've roofed all of my entire life,
I started in 1974,
I always enjoy seeing someone using a nail stripper, that and just hand nailing.
I used a nail stripper for 14 yrs before I ever used air.
The one thing I know is this,
Nobody, No one person is the Best, nor the Fastest,
Nobody!!!
But you can be one of them,
My partner liked the nail stripper but I just rolled them in my fingers I loved roofing still do I followed hail storms for AAA roofing for yrs and base jobs I couldn't be beat in 6 states lol worked hard and played hard and still roofing at 59 ( just not as fast ) lol
What is the name of the nail box belt you have??
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Awwwwee hes got the little nailbox necklace.
Ive been a active roofer 33 years and own a small roofing company. Speed is important but quality builds your reputation !
Exactly right we had a family owned roofing business I roofed for 38 years made a lot of money but in my younger days I'd run circles around these guys nailing with a hammer old school 😊
get a fucking gun and be faster. absolutely no point in manual nailing. it's 2016...
youd need multiple compressors and guns for this huge crew
lines tangle reloading gun maybe new build and doesnt have power yet so add a genny to run the compressors
hammers and kneepads are cheap
most likely why
Vance S Some roofers over drive the nails with a gun and have poor nail placement. There are advantages to each hand nailed or gun nailed.
Almost every roofing crew I've seen runs gas engine powered compressors. More power and no risk of breaking circuits. You could cut the required crew per job in half, spread them out over multiple concurrent jobs, and probably do 4 times the jobs per day. There is no advantage to hand nailing that outweighs the benefits of using pneumatic nailers.
i agree with using nail guns. if u knpw anything about nail guns u wpuld know they can be adjusted so they deliver just enough power. . no advantages to hand nailing. rookies. hand nailing is for cavemen. takes double the time.
There is also gas operated roofing guns no need for compressor at all.
This guy just wants to go home that’s why he’s going so fast 😂😂😂
1 guy working 8 doing nothing lmao
John Mara looks like a highway crew!
John Mara Who would have videoed?
the other guys will work slower because he's rippin on them then, this "fast" roofer will get a big head and go start his own roofing co and this guy will be stuck with all very slow workers, gettin paid hourly (paybacks a real biatch)
Sounds like most tradesmaen at a construction site
Cesar Gonzalez lol right
I was landscaping in a new housing development with cousin one day. We stopped to smoke a bowl and re-fuel a heater in a nearby house. We were up there...Getting stoned and out of the wind and rain. We were above all the new homes being build. Freshly. We stood there and watched a gust of wind come along and rip, almost every shingle off the side of a house.
Why is the guy only nailing half the shingle? Isn't he skipping a nail?
Stan Rodgers watch at 43 seconds. He does the first three on each single and finishes the single on the next round
As I watched to the end of the video I realized he was later hitting the other end of the previous shingle row. Thanks.
Stan Rodgers architect shingles require 6 nails not 4
Thanks for the info. I'll look into my local code before doing my roof. So many videos on UA-cam of "fast" roofers use 4 or 5 nails during hand nailing.
why not nail all the nails when you are on that shingle? why take the time and go back? 15 sq is nice by hand but my best day I can do almost 40 with a gun....nailing the whole shingle off (6 nails) when I lay it down
Except he's using 3 nails per shingle instead of 5 😦
he's using 4 (all u need when u handbang), you put the first 3 in then one your way back up the step u drop your last one in the end (0:42)
How's hand different from gun? The nails look the same.
he adds the 4th at the next course see how he does the last one on the books off the bleeder nice technique
charredskeleton gun shoots the nail further into the shingle which doesn't hold as well as being hand nailed
Josh Black that's in the set up.
faster then the fastest roofer who can't aford a nail gun....
Ash it says the fastest roofer, period ;) hacing sewn other videos turns out he is pretty slow by hammer standards as well
Wyn Williams agreed he is not the fastest, uploaders always give wrong misleading descriptions
Wyn Williams I only commented bcos yor comment said something about not affording a gun
Wyn Williams agreed
I am faster with my gun.
Guns are for slow people with shit quality.
the hardest trade i think... freeze your ass off in the winter, die of heat in the summer, on your knees all day, back breaking, im not a roofer by trade but my hats off to you guys! especially guys that earn their money by working hard and fast like this fella
Who else is here for the comments? lmao! t(','t)
For every shingle u hand nail I’ve already nailed 3-4 with a nail gun 😂
Lies I've Use A Nail Gun And You Are Not This Mobile Brotha 👌 Quit Playing With This Man He Will Out Do You Buddy
@@pedropaloblanco3841 you're just slow
@@sosa30086 So Were Going To Ignore The Fact That You Need To Keep A Hose Connected To The Compressor ? Brotha I'm Pretty Fast Not The Best But Those Are Just Facts ...Your Not Outdoing Him Because He is Alot More Mobile And If You Done Roofing As Long As I Have You Know I'm Stating Facts ...Not My Opinion Sir
@@pedropaloblanco3841 I've won roofer of the year award and my times don't lie just opened up my own company in Chicago and in need of laborers lmk if interested
@@Capital-C Shingles arent tiles u moron
my question is, why is this guy holding the cam and NOT WORKING? lol
you realize someone really good with a gun would beat him and second why do you still employ a "slow" roofer?
OSHA rules. You need a "safety guy" on the roof. His only job is to stand there and watch. BS rules man....BS.
I understand the rules, but some of those "safety" rules are not realistic to the certain line of work
Ross Horan You're saying that because it's not your job. If you got paid the amount he did to stand on the roof and watch people work i believe that you'd have a quite different outlook :P
I most likely get paid more sir, sorry.
Nail placement is completely wrong, anybody can install 15 squares in one day on a pitch 4 Roof; I'd like to see him in Texas hand nail on a 10/12.
+DirtyChode23 Where do the nails need to be placed? I am starting a position as a roofer next week and I have never done this line of work before. Any bit of information will help. Also, 15 squares is that 15 square feet?
+John D One A Square is 100 Hundred Square Feet. One Bundle is usually 1/3 of a Square. Therefore 33-1/3 Square Feet in a Bundle.
No sir a square is a section that is 10'x10' or 3 sheets of plywood. You ideally want to place one nail at both ends no more then an inch from the end of the shingle and the rest of the nails should be dispersed somewhat evenly between the end two. It really depends on the roof pitch where in the nail zone you put the nails. For a steep roof over a 5-12 you can nail right on the line but with a 4-12 or lower pitch you need to nail just a little bit higher so you don't have water bleeding back on the nail heads. Go online and find instructions from elk, iko, Owens corning or gaf cause they are some of the biggest material manufactures in the us and have plenty of installation instructions for you
John D You still doing roofing? I bet not lol. 3/4 of greenhorn roofers ive seen give it up after a couple months max.
Gerritt Klashorst 12x8
Only 15 square. That's why I work with immigrants. The slowest roofer we have is faster than this guy and puts 5/6 nails
I have ripped 15 sq two layer roof got my own shingles and cleaned up the ground myself in 8 hours . the best dream I ever had lol...roofing is one of the most manual labor there is ..respect..
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LMAO
All working for 6 dollars a hour. Slave labor
@@lilcourtny08 lmao $350 a day
@@angelmedina3367 sure buddy. No company paying illegals 350 a day. I can make 350 a day at my job an I am not on a damn roof in the summer. Two weeks vacation every year, 401k, insurance, sick time, holiday pay, and guarantee salary all year. Westlake chemical company. I use to work construction and it's not worth the toll on your body. What OSHA violation can you spot. Not a single person tied off on the roof. No fall protection.One person falls off the roof and the company is done. Cheap ass company don't care who falls off a roof and you think they pay 350 a day? Ok illegal immigrant.
Don't do meth
LOL
Its funny because the majority of roofers I see and know of are all drug addicts.
Lmao get fucking unionized then. I work with nothing but gentleman. Local 241 ny
"Later that day, the shingles of that house all fell off due to few nails being nailed in correctly and properly."
Why only 4 nails? Also, I am faster with a gun(6 nails) than this guy is with his hands, and since I manage my air pressure properly in all temperatures, and my air tools and hoses are kept well lubed and in good working order, blow-throughs are uncommon. There is no need to hand-nail anymore. It's a waste of effort, time, and money. Even in the winter. I've been roofing this entire snowy winter with a gun, and I've had no problems.
I agree, here in florida I nail until around noon in the summers and come back around 5-pm and nail until dark. No need for hand nailing. Besides 99% of leaks are flashing details.
I'd rather have someone hand-nail my roof simply because they couldn't cop out and blame their tools if it was fucked.
Gun or hand nailed it would be under warranty if you hired a roofing contractor that was worth anything
If it was my own house and I had all the time in the world to get it done, I'd hand-nail it, sure. As long as I can sip a beer in between bundles and work at a leisurely pace blasting the radio without a care in the world, my boss not hounding me for not getting done 7 squares per man per day tear off, dry in, and shingle, I'd hand-nail that roof. Any mechanic worth his salt keeps his gun and compressor in good working order at all times. If you blow through shingles or shoot low(or high) nails in shingles, that's your dumbass fault. Should have taken better care of your shit.
He's not the fastest lol
Hes only putting 3 nails... Let me go give the owner my number to fix the roof when high winds pick up... Easy money
I seen one guy lay them and another shooting way faster then 3 of them guys .if you do that for a living you should be no brainer fast
You call that roofing now try do that with rag slate
That's what I like to see getting work done
Does he get paid 4x as much?
+Dan Burke YOU BET HE DOES...THE PIECE WORK PAY OUT FOR A SKILLED SHINGLER IS VERY rewarding. sorry for the caps
dam hes fast
+juan aranda That's what she said.
+Warlor Dustin noooooooooooo
Technically, "normal guy" and speedy are both "professionals" as they're both getting paid to do the work as their profession.
well u admire hard working i wouldnt last one hour in their shoes props to you guys
Wuss
pretty awesome really. I don't care if he then fastest in the world. the quality of the work is solid. I'd want that guy work in on my roof. old school style with the hair. ... for sure drives the nail in instead of couple of misfires on a gun
Is this 1970 or something? Why are you all hand banging. The one guy is kind of fast, only puts 4 nails in though which is bunk. And the rest of the crew puts a shingle down every minute. Buy a compressor and some guns! It will make your days go by quicker, instead of the slow guys putting a shingle down every minute, they could put a shingle down every few seconds, with 6 nails on the nail line.
Logan Smith some states like Texas you have to do it this way .
Murat Sabanovic Bosnjak why is that?
Murat Sabanovic Bosnjak no you don't. I'm in texas and I always use a nailgun
Yeah that would be a weird law. Hand banging is so slow. And have you ever realized when you rip a roof that was hand banged, it comes off extremely easy? I'd love to see someone try and hand bang a 12/12, or 18/12. Would be nearly impossible, it's much easier with a gun because you can hold the shingle with one hand and nail with the other.
Logan Smith yeah really. It takes a lot of talent and time to roof as fast as this guy but in the long run it's pretty pointless
Roofing is a young Man's game! I did it for years, I once carried 200 packs of 80lb shingles up a 12 ft ladder, and walked them to the top roof in 1 day and flipped them into on the top peaks of 3 subdivision houses we Where roofing! Talk about sore AF the next day! Anyway, I prefer a gun, but I can hand nail almost as fast..
he is really good with that hammer!!!
how fast is he with a nail gun?
I started roofing on the side for extra income as I’m 17 and I’ve been at it for about 6 months and I use a gun and I’m faster yet still good nail placement
rate buster... hack... 6 nails per shingle.......
You filmed the fastest looking part of roofing. Its all the time it takes to stage the area to get to that point that matters even more
these type of shingles usually need 6 nails he was only putting 3 and the one on the edge those are 4 so he is missing 2 no wonder he is "fast"
Ya 20 inches with no nails is extreme this is not good quality . You only need 3 or so inches on the side of each seam so a 6 -8 inch space with no nails is sufficient at the seam.
Wow these are real roofers!! A hammer and nails!! Give these REAL ROOFERS a hand!!
That dude looks like he's playing a musical instrument the way everything just goes so smooth!
Too many dudes, stagger isn't well, this is hack Central. .🤦🤦🤦😵🤪
he nailed it! 😆 i know, you didnt see that comming!
funny.
ha. ha.
ferrarigirl666 you hit the nail on the head with that one pal
Rude Rocky he is no snail with the nails but since he is using hammer he might bang his finger and lose his nail
Roofless...
WOW...kewl! You need to give that dude a
C-gar!!!! He's flying! Watching him lay shingles is like watching a well oiled machine run! No waisted motions, every movement perfect! And it means a lot more, if you've ever put a roof on, before! This guy doesn't need to plink a chalk line to keep his grid straight! Way to go!!! And thanks for making and posting a superb video!!!
pro my ass!
All I see is leaks. Poor homeowner is going to buy a roof twice cause numb nuts thinks he's fast and cool.
I don't want my roof put on fast. I want my roof put on right!
Mike Brennan we get paid when the job is finished. We have to go fast to make a living. We need to be onto the next job. And for us with experience, going fast for us isn't excluding workmanship. If someone has little to no experience and going that "fast", then it's a problem. We understand everyone thinks they're special and their house is the only house that matters, but you aren't. And it isn't. It's just another house. We do this everyday for years. We can go fast and do it right. If we didn't, or couldn't, we wouldnt be in business very long. People need to make a living.
As a customer, fast is irrelevant and my house is the only one that matters. If you treat your customer's life long investment as just anther house, you won't be in business long.
Thurston Crawford when you've been doing it for a decade or two it's just another house. Sorry to say. It's done right and that's all that matters. Also most people DO want it done fast because they don't want their home to be a construction site for more than a day or two. Not to mention that with years of experience shinglers tend to go at their own pace, which is generally "fast". There's a difference between fast and sloppy/indifferent. If I give you a 10 year warranty on labour and whatever manufacturer warranty on material there's not much to whine about. Im sure you don't complain when your car needs repairs and it's done in a timely fashion. Same thing.
Right, these guys are just blow and go and will be back in the winter to repair.
He is only putting 3 nails and each strip of the roofing there should be 5 nails in every strip all the roofing
The only thing faster is how fast the roofing comes off because it was nailed in quickly and not correctly.
He’s so fast he put three nails in half the shingle And one nail in the other Half of the single 🤪
I'm sure I'm not the first to say this...I doubt his rows are straight
Ya but he only puts 4 nails when you at least need 5 to 6 nail per shingle for better durability
5 nail minimum... this roof warranty is void... sure was fast tho o_0
Tom Mann hes doing 8 per shingle!
Hand nailing is best. Keep the tradition alive! It's a brotherhood.
I like to see him do that on a 9\12 roof pitch hahaha I've seen sheet rock installer nail faster than that
all wrong 4 nails, dimensional shingles it need at list 6 nails
leaky roof in 3 - 4 years... nails are to close to the edge... fast but slow is better as long as u do the job right...
TOO KOO I agree quality not quantity
why tf am i watching roofing videos
a good roofer should be able to do at least 5 square an hour you said this guy does 15 in a day that is way to slow my friend get a nail gun
Anyone else getting inspired to become a roofer?
this guy's fingers must be shaped like desert spoons after a day at work !!!
imagine sharing your crisps with him!
Shewwee!!! Love it 💪
I remember back in the day when I first got started there was some older guys that could hand nail like that but, I haven’t seen that in years
My friend's cousin's next door neighbors had a guy that lived down the road from them who had a brother that went to school with a guy that dated this girl who had a step-cousin that could do it way faster
My dad has put on 30 square a day with a gun, and he used to work with a guy who put 35 sq on. 15 sq is chump
I'm just wondering why he's 3 nailing.❓
The other guy is too slow.
2 nails short, but definitely quick at the hand bang. Maybe where you are 4 is ok, but in Florida its 6. I miss laying shingles but would not want to do it every day again.
I'M FROM TX AND HONESTLY I'VE NEVER SEEN A WHITE BOY WORK LIKE THIS MOST OF US ARE LATINOS. THAT ARE USUALLY THIS FAST. HATS OFF TO THIS GUY
EVERY shingle he laid would be ripped off and re laid with the proper amount of nails...like it says on the package so it doesn't null the warranty.
Turned 73 last month .....
Just did a two layer tear off, 29 sq re shingle in theee days with two helpers.
Im slower than dog turd compared to those two thirty year old animals.
We had three days with temps over 80.
It might be my last one.
It's called effort one person has effort and other person does not
Well that's unfortunate because he's not going to beat me speaking first and foremost with a gun that's not going to happen I'm the fastest on the East Coast I've proved it 6 years in a row
This video is a testament to how youtube is littered with unintelligent children. The fact this video has more likes then dislikes shows there are no grown ass working tradesmen watching youtube videos lol
seen way faster not just putting 3 nails but 5 , the right way.
Is he leaving nails below the butt joins?
Wow, these comments didn't age well...
Thus is butcher hack...4 nails?!? Garbage. Just cuz you fast, don't mean you're any good...
This backbraking proffession is dope and mad respects to you guys. Cnc machining is my line of work and im heading into training this fall. Love life, guys.
My friend Pablo martinez is way faster but this guy is good 👌👍👍👍👍👍👍
THIS IS WHY YOU DON'T HIRE "THE FASTEST ROOFER"!!!!! You rush that shit and it's going to be shit.... He didn't even use enough nails!!!!!!!!!!!
17 2/3sq. Hand nailed. Installed the 15# felt by myself. Tossed the shingles up off the back of the stake body truck by myself. 4 sided hip roof house. Ridge caps. 8am-4:30. 1974
Yep everyones a badass when their young, My friends and I were all a bunch of animal contractors by the time we were in our early 20s, own business, emoloyees and we were ALL gona be retired by 50 and enjoy the rest of our lives... HAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!... OHHHHH SHIT!!!!! LOLOLOL.... We get together every now and again and have a lot of laffs at how fuckin stupid we were.... Alls ya hear is I shoulda got a town job, I should of been a fireman, Or the real funny one I should of been a policeman, YOU COULDNT OF PAST THE DRUG TEST GARY WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU KIDDEN.... Yeah Yer Right hes still just a roofer..LOL. Alls Im sayin is you will have fun with it and you will have good times with yer crews BUT I dont care care if you can handnail 50 sq a day... YOU WILL NEVER EVER GET RICH IN THIS TRADE!!!!... EVER... So have all the nail banging races ya want!!!... OH Black Hat Ya missed a couple of there Pal!!!
Rest in peace James (Dewayne) Lindamyer) Fastest in my book!
This dude's fast though. Great video
Yeah I roofed a house a day with a Mexican guy in Oakland, California named Rochendo. He didnt speak English and I spoke very little Spanish at that time. Anyways,, he used a tray just like that. I had never seen one before him, or since. I would set up the compressor, get the air hose to the gun, put on metal/paper/starter & first couple of rows and then peek over on his side and he'd be about 1/3 - 1/2 done! That guy was a machine. One day I said, hey man you ever used a gun? He came over and was even 3-5 times faster!!! I took my gun back and he laughed at me. He broke bulls for the rodeo on his one day off each week. I stayed in bed all day recovering. Where do you get a tray like that?
Number one. I'm a faster nailer than that guy and two he isn't even nailing in the right places. He will have to come down the rack and add the fourth nail as well. I know the guy that invented that thing hanging around his neck it's called a stripper 3 row for comp two row for wood. also which I can probably load faster than that guy, I also know the guy that invented those shingles which are called 3 Dimensionals, the first were Architect 80's and we made them before Arch 80's ever came out. I'll add this, my STAPLE gun will out lay any NAIL GUN ever invented. NP. Fact. He's also sitting wrong and using knee pads. Guys an amatuer. He will wear out in 10 years or less, back problems. Lol. Give him an A for effort.
Makes a nice show for nerds that dont know cripe though like 90% of the roofers and 100% of the home owners and contractors. Let me teach that guy, and you will have the fastest roofer ever. Course Ide need a hundred a day just for lessons PLUS whatever I put down myself. That should total 200 a day, also probably in less than 8 hours. Gravy. NP. I might take my pay plus a few bucks a square off the guys squares which is the way it should be done. But for thee fastest roofer? I'll need a hundred a day, just for the lessons. He wastes moves, nails wrong and is slow anyhow. Or 750 a week salary 9 cash) and Ill make every guy on your crew faster than that guy. 5 days. I don't do weekends. Been there done that. Not worth it.
I will give ya credit for one thing, he is using the right hammer. IF its a fixed gauge and not a slide gauge. Anybody who uses an estwing should be fired. I also need to see his tape and his knife.
"Normal guy" is a noob, I can make him faster than your fastest guy. In 3 months. Just sayin. Send me 500 bucks and Ill tell you with a paper and pencil whats really goin on. To many things to list in a comment on youtube. You do wood? Tile? How Mop? Rubber? Torch Down? I do ALL. Shingling is the EASIEST roof their is. Hot Mop is hardest. A good wood man is impossible to find. Ive done steamed wood shingles on rolled eaves. You dont even know what I just said hahahaha. Today its "Made in China Roofing." Quality is meaningless. I know quality AND speed. Tell ya something else, that roof their will be messed up...why? Cause you put both those bozos on one side. The pattern is also messed up. Your running a six inch pattern and not even doing that right, those shingles should be ran on 5 and 5/8. That information alone I should charge you 100 bucks. Roof Doctor, Lol. Do I see a chalk line in between the guy on bottom and guy on top? Nope. That'll be another hundred. I've forgotten more than you'll ever know.
Im telling you I can tell you FIVE things you're doing wrong from watching this vid, I could tell you 10 things your doing wrong from looking at the roof after its done. In 5 minutes. Kudos for having "some" pride in your work, but it's misplaced. You don't know what your doing. God bless. Now just imagine you Really knew what you were doing. At that point your making money and can say, "I did that." And smile. I'll take a hundred for my comment.
neway I know my old boss is fast as anyone I know, I see other crews, and companies and its SO FAR beyond ALL of them ive seen..Or EVER seen again, even on here with guns..>he smokes EVERYONE I see on here...Its like well known t hing that he can put on a BIG ASS roof..By himself in a day! but his dad did it before him so hes been gunning for ? 34 years id say. lol Still fast as fuck...id like to go get a roofing job with his company, I like the guy, both bosses son and dad...but they just wont pay people what they are worth, and they live in castles built for them and buy 90-150K trucks ..BRAND NEW...Sick and had three great trucks already, and we got paid 10 an hour, and denied a Christmas bonus for two years I got I think 100 bucks t he first year I started, and those 3 years I was there is when we had a full crew of fast and guys thata did that for 10 years under my bosses son...THEY QUIT at the same time, 3 of them..Cuz they were only making as much as MOST roofing companies. Normally,..Starting out like I would get 15 and DONT NEED ANY experience, and they promise raises the better you get and get evaluated and if u work with JEALOUS shit people that know im good at the shita nd only been there a year and knew as much as all of them guys, except my boss. I was with him most the time so I seen a lot of things, and he w ould make me make flashing, and then make the craziest cuts that half to fit flush and have a lip on the upper part and grind about...1/4in or well maybe a hair less than that id say...and then the lip has to fit PERFECT in so many ways, I was tricky, and he said I went fast ...He beat me by not real long, 15 mins and im like lol ur done how can I be doing it fast, and hes like im whatever 40 and not everyone and have a great eye , because u will run into problems he said, it s who can problem solve the best and get it done perfect. I act ually LIKE to roof sounds so crazy...but yea and im not a greedy dude..by any means... id let AN Y ONE that knows me personal Im confident they would vouche on ANYTHING I say. im rusty now, id have to relearn numbers I need to know and just u know everything, its bee 4 years now, but its like riding a bike, just a few days of hearing certain numbers, j us hearing one will snap all the information back into my brain and yea once I even get a reminder ill problaby just be able to look ar ound and remembering how it was...idk why I like it...I think and I don't have a job LOL, but I like HARD WORK, and I cadn come home beat up, and get a swhower relax and pass out in my chair trying to watch something LOL...and slept great them days...Miss it, if the money was just FAIR, even a LITTLE LESS than fair I would eccept but im not going to have a job BUSTING ASS, RISKING MY LIFE cuz people want to be roofers but are smart enough or want to put in HARD work EVEN if I give them smart work, Which if I wasn't there, NO ONE was going to this edge that is so fucking high u cant get to it other than top coming down to that side and yea so many ways u can slip and u would never be able to catch urself and its so fuckign high we didn't ahvea later to reach it from that side... BUT they just tore off the old roof and NOONE will go down and grab the shingles, and boss is flippin cuz he wotna nd just didn't know what to do..Im like hey give me that rope ill attach it to my lanyard and ill go down and u just keep tension and id throw about a bundle of WET ass shingles on my shoulders and I had him pull me up and its easy if ur careful and watch how u move. But yea three more ropes but NO ONE would go down...I get it? or not really tbh..they sit around and literally watched me, and normally the boss will GO OFFF on them guys cuz ALL the crew are just standing around WAT CHING lol like im thinkn u mfers need to go do other shit and get this thing done, and lol the main old boss was just so fucking happy, smiling cuz I was doing that and doing ti really fucking fast...lol id literally run dam near vertical lol like im on a repel linea nd boss is like omg don't run sideways lol cuz he had to leave and I do think he bitchd at them when he was leaving and I had to tie down and get the last quarter of that sides shingles, so yea hes like if u need someone to get the rest of those, and then he yells someone is holding that rope if I ask them too, but I was able to put shingles on both shoulders and like just hand over hand walking up the fucking drop off lol..ive seen people afall off roofs that aren't even that high and hit concrete and man..he got fucked up..great dude, all good though hes doing good...but ive almost fell off of HIGH up, and ? GOD lol but I was about to go off a house head first and if I would of it was about a 35ft drop to a long suburban road and gravel. DEAD and im falling o backwards, I stepped on a plank that some fucdking idiot didn't nail together and im walking on a 2x4 and I just drop the right leg and was SOOO far back leaning like and MOMENTUM and I just idk I remember reaching the bundle of shingles I like thru it hard towards roof and leg go with oen and it litter pulled me back up at a point where if that didn't happened no matter what I did I was FUCKEED..to realy that bag of shingles saved mhy life when I used it for a counter balance in a fucking split second, ol fucking scared to death thinking im done, and just reacted like I did so fast, cuz I know I was going to splatter if I went off...But never feel and seen a lot of people get hurt, but yea...ikd im about safety, but I work with any roofing company that hired me if they said we do this and that , this and that way. So yea, long as u are careful and have enough experience BUT experienced mfers can and have fell off roofs too...Just saying im not um ...the safety police and all roofers know what im getting around too..lol so...yea...I wouldn't mind going back to work roofing.
COMPANY OWNERS GET CHEAP LABOR,NO INSURANCE, NO BENEFITS, NO 401K AND NO UNION. BUT THEY BRAG ABOUT HAVING THE “FASTEST”, WORKERS. POOR, CHEAP LABOR.
I've done 24 sq in a day. 8.5 hrs. 7/12 pitch re- roof 1 1/4 nails Hand drive.. I was 19, ...😊 51 now, still squeeze out 12 or 13 in a day still, every now and then. Nail gun now though. 33 yrs still at it.
Meanwhile next door.... the crew of mexicans with coil nailers is already done and packing up their tools....