I once drove an X onto a snow covered worn metal bed for a transport truck (the kind that lowers to make a ramp). Although it was steep and almost tractionless, it did this really goofy thing where it locked down all the wheels and only turned one at a time while pulsing the brakes to slowly scoot the car up onto the trailer. I was amazed it did it considering I could barely walk on the surface with winter boots. Some impressive tech either way.
@@TheGuruStud When you weigh over 5k lbs you also have to work harder to make it up a slope. More weight doesn't = more traction, all that matters is where the weight is distributed. A 7k lb truck with 4x4 would struggle in many icy scenarios when a small car with a good AWD system would do well.
Yes, I think one of the most valuable aspects of owning a Tesla is the fact that this type of thing can be corrected after purchase. With any other vehicle you would have to wait for the next model year to get this type of improvement, or at least make a visit to your local dealer. With Tesla, your vehicle just downloads the latest update and the problem is fixed.
This was my exact thought. Most other vehicles, you would be stuck with the performance they came with, but with a tesla you might get better performance in this situation in the following winter. Overall still pretty impressive out of the box.
@@RichardHurt this is a lie and misleading. Any vehicle with an ECU can have this kind of issue correct. The engine and transmission can be reprogrammed. Your ignorance isn't doing anyone any good
Certainly all wheel drive and also 4 wheel drive with locking diffs or limited slip. An open diff 4 wheel drive actually SHOULD fail the diagonal or 3 wheel test though. I suppose you could still do it, but it's kind of just a fact that if you have 2 open diffs and no traction on 1 wheel on each axel you're stuck.
@@christopherpedersen1820 ~ I was thinking of the test for the traction control systems. Some are very good, but some seem very weak. I don't know if any vehicles are sold anymore without some kind of traction control??
@@HoosierDaddy_ Yeah, after I commented I realized that for modern things that may not be entirely true. Even 4wd with open diffs is effectively all wheel drive if you have some traction control. And yeah in the US everything since 2011 has to have traction control I guess.
@@drink15 Sure it does. We don't know what the 4th wheel was doing or even if it was on a wet patch or a banana peel. They essentially have only published 75% of their results. It certainly wasn't okay when VW didn't publish all their diesel emissions findings.
At the end there, where he “cheats”, yeah, that’s an actual technique that people should know and not just rely on the computers/electronics of the cars, as we’ve seen.
Its a bit different than in the real world, him turning prevented him from rolling on the rollers. in real life you might be stuck on a wide patch of ice on a hill with no traction near by.
@@davidfarmer I honestly didn’t notice that he turned the wheel to get friction on the non-roller part. I thought he was tapping the brakes like you do for diy traction control, that’s what I was actually talking about.
I live in Chicago and park on the street. The city only plows the middle of the street, so the sides where we park are snow packed. We turn the wheel all the time to try to get a little traction on our front wheel drive vehicles. The snowpack to the left vs straight ahead vs to the right might be a little bit different in terms of traction. We don't consider this maneuver to be cheating.
@@garrettstevens2232 yeah, a lot of modern gas cars do this as well. I think the intent isn’t necessarily to move the car and press the brakes etc, it’s the change in momentum that gets generated from the spinning wheels and then sudden brake movements, that help to make small changes in grip level somewhere. Imagine a car in a teter toter type situation. That’s the overall principle I think.
@@layne4376 There's a test on YT of all brands ( BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Toyota, Honda, Subaru...) in the snow doing starting and slalom. The Audi Quattro won.
@@layne4376 i know the pilot is different but i passed a pilot that was stuck in 8 inches of snow on the road while me in my subaru legacy passed him with very little issue
You would like to have open diff converted to a locked diff through a software??? Gee, how clueless is a typical Tesla fan about mechanics or cars overall...
Ah that's right, we got a motor on each of the front and back axles, and an open diff on each axle. For a sec there, I thought it was one motor per wheel. That would be awesome for torque vectoring and simulated locked diff. But not the case.
It sounds like that front left wheel on the ground was spinning. Was that front left wheel having traction problem as well or was it the vehicle not being able to send enough power to just one front wheel to propel itself?
I understand where your mind is at, but the sound of the tire spinning on pavement likely was one or more tires touching the edge of the rollers. Those tires used in this test are the newest high performance 3 mountain peak all season tires. I highly doubt it was slipping on the pavement. I suspect the programming was never dialed in for 3 tires without grip and only 1 tire in the front with grip. Thankfully, that's an easy over the air update fix away if Tesla tasks their engineers to fix it.
I think it was, it just weighs too much and the weight is rear biased and there's not a ton of travel in the suspension, so it just lost traction, I think you're right.
@Camaro 68 the test is not supposed to be 100% real world but give an approximate conditions. If it fails this it’s probably not going to do better real world in less ideal conditions.
I love how you guys do these tests. It would be cool if you rank and rate vehicles by class etc for these tests! Where does this Model Y land when compared to other cars?
It's sporty. It offers a lot of utility. It's a vehicle. It has a large rear hatch, great cargo capacity, small front trunk and moderate towing capability. You can install a lift kit and taller tires and take it off road. What makes an SUV? A frame? Bad gas mileage? Bad aerodynamics? Stiff ride? Solid rear axel? Old tech? Burns fossil fuel? Two box stying? Visits gas stations once or twice a week? Ok. Just call it a Model Y. Crossover, wagon, hatch, whatever. The crap people focus on. The Model S is is a hatchback sedan. That's a lot different than the Model Y. The Model 3 is a proper sedan with a trunk lid. The Model Y is over 7 inches taller than the Model 3 and is a bit wider and longer also. It's not a small vehicle. Gotta learn about vehicles.
It’s an suv like all other hundreds of suvs out there from Japan /korea and now China . Nothing new why r u surprised. Even Porsche suvs are the same proportions and height .. not sure what ur comparing it to. The next level up is of course Toyota / Land Rover / ford proper truck chassis which resembles nothing like suv or “cute Ute”
Turns out the ‘fanboys’ were right. So maybe they weren’t ‘fanyboys’, they were just the smart ones that believed in the product when no one else did. Let’s give them some respect.
I rode my new model Y in the snow for the first time yesterday. It drove very secure and safe. I waas able to even conquer some minor moutains plowed up to the side while trying to get street parking. What timing to see this video!
Mine also did very well, better than the other cars on the road a few days ago. Still need a big snow storm to see how it handles that. I did put winter tires on my car.
My X is a beast in the snow so I was surprised to see the last test go so bad. Just curious if it felt like the front brakes were grabbing at all on the last test? The way it is all software driven, I wouldn't be surprised if an update gets pushed in the future to fix the last test.
I am still deceived that the rear wheels have to slip trough 3/4 turn to activate the front motor. Electronics coud be way better. In deep snow and ice, you dig yourself with this. I am always getting scared when it does this on my Model 3 Dual Motor. Regen and rear bias makes a squirelly (yaw) car on the snow compared to a real awd or fwd. Tesla could make a ''Winter traction'' mode that engage and regen both motors even if we lose some efficiency.
By default, a Model Y drives on the rear motor at low speed (permanent magnet motor). Only if you call up lots of power will the front motor engage (induction motor). It's the opposite on Model S/X, with the front wheels leading.
Yeah there’s some weird software issues here where it never tries to push traction to each wheel individually to test the traction available. I’d classify this one as a bug.
Excellent video. This is how engineering would do the test.... I was debating dual motor or single. This pushes me over to dual motor. That is what everyone saying the best value is a dual motor in Tesla car
The Y doesn’t come in a single motor. The Mach E is reportedly a better driver and the interior is vastly superior. I know where I’ll be spending my money
@@mattbrew11 go to abetterroutplanner.com. And enter a destination you might want to go with all electric cars your considering getting. This will give you an idea of strengths and weakness of traveling. Everyone's needs are different. As a 69 mustang owner I wish they wouldn't have used the Mustang name on a 4 door crossover.
@@captn3x while I initially found it odd, it stirred up a hornets nest of buzz and in this day in age that seems to be how successful marketing is accomplished. You’ll get an electric mustang soon enough. As far as a better route planner the charging infrastructure will catch up soon enough. They’ll be as common as gas stations in a few years that doesn’t concern me. I’m getting a hybrid F150 with a 700 mile range so if I care to drive that far, that works fine for me
I wan't to see you try a test will all 4 tires on rollers. If you turned off traction control and ABS, then ran the car up to high speed (60-100 mph ?), and slammed on the brakes, maybe the inertia of the rollers would be just enough to push the car off backwards. Do I really think this would work? No the bearings in the rollers would probably self destruct first. But it in any case, it would almost guarantee excitement. 😁
Please do a roller test with a Mitsubishi Outlander GT! I swear they have one of the best AWD systems in the business lifted right off the EVO. I’d like to see how the S-AWC system performs here. Dollar for dollar, it’s the cheapest/ best AWD on the market. You’d have to spring for an Audi (Quattro) system to get anything comparable
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers That’s not true....do your research. I did, and that’s why I bought one. The S-AWC system on the Outlander GT has an Active Center Differential (ACD), which sends nearly 100 percent of available torque to the front axle under normal conditions, but can divert as much as half of the available torque to the rear axle for a 50/50 split. It also has Super Active Yaw Control (S-AYC), a torque-vectoring system lifted from the EVO that uses an active differential to send up to 70 percent of torque available on an axle to either the left or right wheel to enhance handling. The only difference between the EVO and Outlander is the EVO has S-AYC on both the front and rear axles to improve performance, while the Outlander is front axle only. In fact, the Outlander GT is the only vehicle in its class on the market today that features an active front differential (AFD). DO YOUR RESEARCH. I can tell you from experience, it’s one of the best and has never disappointed me. Last winter, we had 2ft of snow and Mercedes, BMW, Nissan, Toyota SUVs were abandoned all over the road while my Outlander drove through it like it was butter. Here’s the link to more info if you need it www.mitsubishi-motors.ca/en/sawc/
@@soiceyboy33 Evo has active center differential, helical front differential (torsen type) and overspeeding rear differential. Outlander doesn't have ANY of these. Actually it doesn't even have center differential at all, just a clutch-pack. It is completely different system. Of course it has AFD which is great but it has nothing in common with Evo. Both cars use S-AWC and AYC names but technically they are not even similar. In roller tests GT gets the same result as standard Outlander. Both are doing much better than Evo, which is not designed for that. Read more than marketing stuff, check what's underneath the cars. I had a few Mitsubishi cars, I tested a lot of them on rollers, I know what I am talking about.
@@jamesbeaman6337 What I am saying is they always have Tesla and they are a small market. Look at how big Honda is and there are more videos of Tesla than Honda for example. The content is fine. I am a TFL fan just too many Tesla videos.
Why don't you show the tire on the ground slipping from the 3 wheel test. The car is doing everything correct, you tested it on wet ground with aftermarket wheels and tires. You can hear on the video the ground tire is spinning on the ground. What a flawed test
Keep in mind that the model 3 and y only use the rear motor because of its efficiency. The front motor is only in use when you floor it or lose traction on the rear wheels.
Also of note is that the Performance model allows you to set it to track mode and adjust how much power goes to front and back (defaults to about 80% rear). If you're actually stuck in the back, you can set it to 80%+ front to compensate.
I feel like the model Y should have done better on that last test. Maybe I’m oversimplifying it, but this seems like an issue that could be resolved through a software update pretty easily
Elias, I’ve watched it several times and don’t hear the driver front tire fighting for traction, I just hear the rollers. One tire should be able to pull the car off. I wish they showed that wheel in the camera view.
@@RudyC27 Tesla calls it a midsize SUV, but bullcrap on it being a crossover, too. It's got about the same if not less ground clearance than the Camry they showed in the same video, and it's 99% proportioned like a car. It's a slight bit more going on up top, but the back of it looks especially carlike. I asked my dad if it was an SUV or a car, and he said it was a car. He also said that they made cars like that going back to the 70s. This is such a car. If they're calling it an SUV to make people feel more inclined to buy it, then I hope it's not a successful experiment because THAT'S A CAR, BABY!
They're CALLING it an SUV, but I think "trucky" styling PLUS extra ground clearance is the hallmark of an SUV. Without the extra ground clearance, yeah, it's a car. Most people will buy it anyway, because they don't go off pavement/road anyway.
They should put an option on the screen that basically shows the entire driveline and you can tell it which brakes to pulse, so you can send power to certain wheels. Any way to tell it which wheels do and done have traction
Subaru isn't the biggest fan of TFL... so unless a viewer in the Colorado area has one (not that unlikely, really) they can borrow, they would have to buy one, most likely.
Unless something changed recently, track mode is not available on the Y. Only on the 3. Musk did respond to a tweet where someone asked for it, so it may be in the pipeline.
They took an outback I think up there old proving Hill for suvs and the CVT sucked etc and they may of dented something. I think Subaru came with a tow truck and like took it without telling them and basically never talked to them again. This is probably 7 years ago.
The rear wheel slip test confirms my experience. I really don't like the way my Y behaves in the snow. It drives like a RWD car and constantly oversteers as it takes too long for the front wheels to "wake up". I hope they give us control over how the power is distributed in the future. It would be great to be able to better balance it.
These types of oversights continue to prove to me that Tesla is still being run by tech geeks and not car and truck enthusiasts. It should be VERY easy (software update?) to give the driver more front-to-rear torque split control. The EVO and STi have a knob allowing some amount of driver selection. Tesla SHOULD also be able to give you the ability to make a series of selections and save it as a personal Mode. Even going up hill versus down hill, you might want torque applied differently then front-to-rear.
snowrocket maybe when it’s all done in Texas they’ll have more snow to rest it on. Elon will eventually hear about this video and watch it - yes, this is totally a software update.
Good test, but in the last one we were unable to see (due to camera placement) what the left front tire was doing. IF the left front was actually spinning on the cold pavement, it’s a tire/traction failure.. not an AWD power transfer failure. Huge difference and very relevant.
Very possible, but we really needed to see what that tire was doing. If it was stationary, then it’s a total fail on the all-wheel-drive system’s ability to transfer power. If it was spinning, then it was a traction failure exacerbated by limited suspension travel.
Same. The front wheel was likely slipping because the other 3 wheels were 2-3 inches higher, removing the weight from the tire on the ground. If the car had been level it would have made it.
Great video. Clearly more rear wheel drive than front but perhaps Tesla will see this and issue an ‘over the air software update’ to help with this potential issue. I think it would be cool if the Tesla computer would interact with the amount of information it has over the air, like weather and GPS location including cameras on the car to to recognise and adjust the cars set up as a custom setting (within safety reasons) to deal with the current real time terrain the car finds itself in at any given time. Either way, more potential tools at its disposal for a standard well rounded car.
Normally the traction control on cars handle this info just without using air temps. It detects what wheel is spinning, directs power to a wheel that is getting traction.
I'll bet someone from Tesla will watch this video and in a few months they will update the software to make it work perfectly. It's exactly the sort of thing Tesla does.
@@snowrocket You assume that the all knowing, all seeing, Elon would find every possible problem or oversight before the car is released. I believe they just didn't see the need for a more comprehensive all wheel drive algorithm for a car that drives mostly on the road.
The old timers just have a conniption fit on anything electric. It’s like when their favorite diesel truck review comes on and Kamala Harris interrupts with a brief message...
I agree that they SHOULD offer that, but I'd BET most of their customers wouldn't understand it or find sufficient value in it to buy it. Jeep customers, well that's different, hence the Rubicon.
How do most AWD systems do on these tests? I have a Buick Encore AWD for example I wonder how it would do on these tests? The model Y seemed pretty good though. I think I would have hit the accelerator more on the single front wheel test, then the brakes would have kicked in on the slipping wheels maybe.
Just started watching, hope it does good, hated Tesla’s but got to ride Sons 3, hard to get in and out of for a old guy and my 2.7 Ecoboost F150 is Quick but nothing like the Tesla. He also bought a Volt, again hard to get in and out of, not fast, but in a lot of ways makes sense, GM had no ideal how to market them, sad. He drives it 12 miles to work and back, puts it in the charger and rarely has to gas it up, his wife drives the Tesla. Bald here and love it, run a wash cloth over it and roll, saved thousands on hair care products, I’m guessing Roman spends around 500 a month on that head of hair.
Only at low speeds because the rear motor has more torque and the rear has more traction. At higher speeds it’s primarily front wheel drive because the front motor is more efficient.
"Not a lot of ground clearance in the Model Y"? If the specs I found are correct, it has 6.6 inches of ground clearance which is substantially more than most modern passenger cars have and more than on any vehicle I've owned over 50+ years. These slip tests are fun to watch but don't seem particularly relevant to real world driving. Maybe sometimes take these vehicles over Loveland Pass on a day when the snow plows can barely keep up and on poorly plowed residential streets around Summit County ski areas.
@@sfoy623 LOL, my eyes do not have a built in ruler. The Model 3 has 5.5 inches of ground clearance and the Model Y has 6.6 inches according to multiple sources including Motor Trend: www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-model-y-model-3-size-comparison/
My regular 2007 Subaru Impreza 2.5i wagon has 6.3 inches. It's a regular car, not an Outback or a Jeep. The Y has MORE clearance than many vehicles, but it's still not substantial. Part of the reason is to keep the battery range number high. More clearance will put more air under it, making the aerodynamic drag worse, and reduce the range. Guarantee it.
Basically Tesla Model Y Long Range AWD is Part-Time AWD by default. But has anyone tested after adding the Acceleration Boost upgrade (+100HP), would it become Real-Time AWD? I guess the extra 100HP comes from the front motor.
Tommy, thanks for this vid. I am a bit disappointed in the last test with the single front wheel up. Wouldn't a subaru just divert power to the one front wheel and easily pull forward? Not sure why Tesla can't ace this one. Also, can you guys mod your Y with the lift kit from Mountain Pass? That would get some extra ground clearance for dirt and snow.
Since they haven't gone head to head you can't say the Mach E is better than the Model Y. I'm not a fanboy I'm just saying. Don't act like a 10 year old.
So, you point out that if only 1 front tire has traction, you're stuck. And then say the results were "an impressive result" and "Tesla has done a good job." Which is it? It can't be both.
What really pisses me off is that Audi had the perfect solution to this back in the 90s - a small button underneath the handbrake to lock the rear diff. The situations this little button helped me out of are nothing short of a nightmare even for a proper off-roader. 3 wheel on ice with no traction - no problem, just lock the rear diff, put it in reverse and drag yourself out of trouble. Really feel sorry for selling my old Audi 80 Quattro. Cars simply aren't build like that anymore. Rugged, dependable and idiot-proof.
Tesla Model 3 AWD performed better than Subaru Outback (that replaced it with), in the worst slippery conditions, and we live in Mountainous area. Now, the ground clearance was the issue in deep snow, therefore we replaced our last gasoline stinker with Model Y which I lifted to 9”. I had to say that Tesla hands down the better vehicle than Subaru (or any petrol vehicle) in any way. No more petrol.
How do you think the Model Y did in this test compared to the same test you did on your Model 3. I was convinced to buy a Model 3 LR Dual-Motor after seeing your similar test and wish I didn't have to sell it. I have the Model Y Performance now which doesn't have the same range as the M3 and those stock low profile tires are scary for long road trips in the winter. There are many trips I take where there is no cell coverage in case I get a flat. Like you, I am planning on replacing the stock 21" wheels with Martian Wheels and was wondering if you saw a reduction in ground clearance with your Michelin tires? What offset did you order for your 19" wheels and what tire size? I was thinking of 255/45R19 on all wheels. I lived in Colorado Springs for over ten years and miss the scenery.
You are testing the Performance MY. I have the LR MY, drove it first time this past week in NJ in the snow storm. It was stable, though I did fish tail a couple of times over 35 mph. Takes some getting used to, had a AWD R350 in the past & with that weight, that was more stable than the MY. Overall, it was fine for regular winter driving. 😊😍😮
I’ve been using cross climate 2 for 3 yrs now on my 2017 SQ5. They are incredible in all weathers conditions but you should know it is 10% less efficient than my previous set of Michelin pilot AS. Didn’t know that before purchase.
one thing i noticed, you mentioned that the model Y doesn't have a lot of ground clearance. you realize why that is right? it's a model Y performance. AKA a LOWERED faster model Y. if you drive in heavy snow, maybe don't buy the one that has been lowered?
how was this a GOOD result?! it show how BAD electronic torque control is on model Y - you clearly could not stop spining and transfer the power on non spinning wheel - this is what we get when our auto expert is 25 years old?!?!!? if the wheel just spin that IS NOT GOOD BECAUSE IN LOOSE MATERIAL THE CAR WILL JUST BOTTOM OUT AND THEN YOU ARE IN REAL PROBLEM!!!!
The flaw in these tests is that the way the AWD system operates is to keep the vehicle straight and maintain overall traction, not so much get off rollers. When you are driving and 1-3 wheels slip you don't want power on the wheel(s) with grip. If you send power to the one wheel off rollers with grip, you car will rotate. Now what you want in these tests are cars with AWD, but an LSD in the front or rear, or 4wd. That's good for getting out of mud and stuff like that.
Man I hate it when they aren't permanent all wheel drive. If one wants more power to the rear then use default ratios e.g. 40/60 or 30/70% ratios. But keep all wheels spinning and and apply torque vectoring. Personally I would like 50/50 but that may make the car unpredictable so then 45/55 should be perfect. Not sure if this test showed that the Tesla is basically a 2wd as many other "all wheel drive" cars. It would be nice to see some tests at speed to really know what is going on. I had a Audi V8 once which had a torsen differential. 50/50 as default but mechanically basically able to shift 25% to either rear or front. It was a dream on snow and ice. Audi Quattros with torsen differentials are imo the best all wheel drive system for on road driving. Only competitors I see are Subaru and Mitsubishi Lancer EVO, the later is not made anymore and Audi is giving up on Torsen.
You were gentle on the throttle. But on an electric car, both axles are fully software programmed to provide torque based on the programmers choices, just like the rear clutch on an AWD car. I suspect if you jab the power more, the programmer would give the front more immediate torque based on how much quicker the dual motor is vs the rwd car in acceleration tests. Worth a test next time.
That explains why my P3 couldn’t get going on a sloped uphill ice sheet and instead just slowly slipped sideways into a grove of bushes until I crushed them to gain traction, while Audis, VWs and Subarus just pointed and laughed. Garbage result IMNSO. With full wheel control they should be able to weight the “slip start” mode to be essentially more like a “locked center diff” mode which disengages after a certain distance (via momentum calculation using the G sensors).
My Y performance has a mode where you can select how much power goes to each axle. Essentially its juat reducing the power to the other axle all the way to zero. This is interesting as the front motor is a smaller, less powerful motor than the rear. So, while no power goes to the rear, the front gets all the power the one motor can produce, which is obviously less power than the overall rating. Multi-motor cars that used maximum combined power rwrings for AWD, can not send more than 50 percent of power to either axle the way some single motor cars with a center differential or front to rear drive shafts can.
Why you don't test a Jeep Wrangler JL Sahara? And if you ever do it, it would be interessting in all the diffrent modes like 4hi auto, 4hi part time, with/without ESP, TC. Would be great. Thanx
I currently own a Subaru outback. I want to get a model y performance. We like to go to the mountains and go snowboarding all the time. How would you compare Tesla model y awd to the Subaru outback awd?? Thanks!
Typical AWD car with central locking diff (or even just transfer case with the clutch) and two open diffs is a much better AWD system than electric vehicle with 2 independent motors. The reason is that you can have all the power on either axles of the car if required, while in Tesla you'll have less than half of the power (on weaker motor axle) which is a serious problem with 3 wheel TFL test as we've seen.
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Would the test have a different result by adding weight on the front?
@@davidecavicchini EVs are pretty heavy as is. it seems as though the front driver size isn't a main power distribution of the whole vehicle.
And the best thing is the vehicle will be software upgrade so i wish you will do this test again in 6 months.
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Too much bla bla! Just do it! I had to constantly forwarding to see results... 11 mins fo something taking 2.
I once drove an X onto a snow covered worn metal bed for a transport truck (the kind that lowers to make a ramp). Although it was steep and almost tractionless, it did this really goofy thing where it locked down all the wheels and only turned one at a time while pulsing the brakes to slowly scoot the car up onto the trailer. I was amazed it did it considering I could barely walk on the surface with winter boots.
Some impressive tech either way.
Traction is no problem when you weigh over 5k lbs.
@@TheGuruStud When you weigh over 5k lbs you also have to work harder to make it up a slope. More weight doesn't = more traction, all that matters is where the weight is distributed. A 7k lb truck with 4x4 would struggle in many icy scenarios when a small car with a good AWD system would do well.
@@TheGuruStudsince when does weight mean better traction
@@mathewm3073better in snow. Not ice
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It crunches through snow and ice a little better and prevents tire slipping if they have more weight pushing them against the ground
7:30 It would be nicer to see the front left wheel instead of the rear right wheel in the upper corner since the rear wheel was already visible.
100%. I thought all 4 wheels were on rollers 😂😂😂
Elon will see this video and issue a software update so it’ll be able to do the roller test even better!
Yes, I think one of the most valuable aspects of owning a Tesla is the fact that this type of thing can be corrected after purchase. With any other vehicle you would have to wait for the next model year to get this type of improvement, or at least make a visit to your local dealer. With Tesla, your vehicle just downloads the latest update and the problem is fixed.
This was my exact thought. Most other vehicles, you would be stuck with the performance they came with, but with a tesla you might get better performance in this situation in the following winter. Overall still pretty impressive out of the box.
I'm waiting for his tweet about this video for a future update. Does he know about this video yet?
@@masonfox9070 All vehicles made in the last 40 years can get updates ya derp. Just not over the air.
@@RichardHurt this is a lie and misleading. Any vehicle with an ECU can have this kind of issue correct. The engine and transmission can be reprogrammed. Your ignorance isn't doing anyone any good
This should be done on all awd/4wd vehicles TFL gets to test.
I totally agree!!! Awesome test and it really shows how good or bad the AWD/4WD works.
Certainly all wheel drive and also 4 wheel drive with locking diffs or limited slip. An open diff 4 wheel drive actually SHOULD fail the diagonal or 3 wheel test though. I suppose you could still do it, but it's kind of just a fact that if you have 2 open diffs and no traction on 1 wheel on each axel you're stuck.
Same thing goes for the F150 with the 4 auto.
@@christopherpedersen1820 ~ I was thinking of the test for the traction control systems. Some are very good, but some seem very weak. I don't know if any vehicles are sold anymore without some kind of traction control??
@@HoosierDaddy_ Yeah, after I commented I realized that for modern things that may not be entirely true. Even 4wd with open diffs is effectively all wheel drive if you have some traction control. And yeah in the US everything since 2011 has to have traction control I guess.
You didn't show the wheel that was on the ground, which I heard spinning on the pavement at one point.
Yeah I heard that too
Idk why he didn't put roller under right wheel so we can see it...
Yeah kind of a weird thing to hide... makes the test feel invalid.
@@niall21 it couldn’t get off the rollers as intended, so seeing it doesn’t change the results
@@drink15 Sure it does. We don't know what the 4th wheel was doing or even if it was on a wet patch or a banana peel. They essentially have only published 75% of their results. It certainly wasn't okay when VW didn't publish all their diesel emissions findings.
At the end there, where he “cheats”, yeah, that’s an actual technique that people should know and not just rely on the computers/electronics of the cars, as we’ve seen.
Its a bit different than in the real world, him turning prevented him from rolling on the rollers. in real life you might be stuck on a wide patch of ice on a hill with no traction near by.
@@davidfarmer I honestly didn’t notice that he turned the wheel to get friction on the non-roller part. I thought he was tapping the brakes like you do for diy traction control, that’s what I was actually talking about.
I live in Chicago and park on the street. The city only plows the middle of the street, so the sides where we park are snow packed. We turn the wheel all the time to try to get a little traction on our front wheel drive vehicles. The snowpack to the left vs straight ahead vs to the right might be a little bit different in terms of traction. We don't consider this maneuver to be cheating.
@@alvaro4k I'm not sure about the Tesla but other EV's I've drive cut all power if you touch the brakes. No way to use both at the same time.
@@garrettstevens2232 yeah, a lot of modern gas cars do this as well. I think the intent isn’t necessarily to move the car and press the brakes etc, it’s the change in momentum that gets generated from the spinning wheels and then sudden brake movements, that help to make small changes in grip level somewhere. Imagine a car in a teter toter type situation. That’s the overall principle I think.
Roller test Tesla awd vs Subaru symmetrical awd vs Audi Quattro (a good version). I’d watch that.
@@layne4376 There's a test on YT of all brands ( BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Toyota, Honda, Subaru...) in the snow doing starting and slalom. The Audi Quattro won.
Quattro vs. X-drive vs. Symmetrical vs. some full EV.
@@marcoserbach3848 link please?
@@layne4376 i know the pilot is different but i passed a pilot that was stuck in 8 inches of snow on the road while me in my subaru legacy passed him with very little issue
Add in range rover or land rover too.
Easily my favorite AWD test for cars on UA-cam ....really brings out the truth about how these cars are programmed and engineered
not really he didnt even show all the wheels so we dont know if the tesla failed because of the tires or system
Plus an incline changes things
@@bhavjotkang8004 it's still a fail in a real situation
engineered like shit, yep lol
Hated how the viewers were tricked into watching a hair loss ad embedded in the video. Disliked the video just for that shady practice.
Perhaps we could see a "virtual locked diff" mode in a future software update.
I would like to see that my Cybertruck.
You would like to have open diff converted to a locked diff through a software??? Gee, how clueless is a typical Tesla fan about mechanics or cars overall...
Ah that's right, we got a motor on each of the front and back axles, and an open diff on each axle.
For a sec there, I thought it was one motor per wheel. That would be awesome for torque vectoring and simulated locked diff. But not the case.
@@henrytang2203 You can always buy Rimac C2, that one has 4 motors, and costs 2+ millions :D.
@@perakojot6524 Software can aggressively apply the brake to the slipping wheel which, while not like a locked diff, is more like limited slip diff.
This reminds me of the Tesla 3 version test and the backing up back to the garage fiasco ...😉
That’s one episode tommy would like to forget
Maybe that's why this time he's parallel?!
It sounds like that front left wheel on the ground was spinning. Was that front left wheel having traction problem as well or was it the vehicle not being able to send enough power to just one front wheel to propel itself?
I know, I was wanting to see the tire that had traction but they never showed. Pretty damn lame. They showed all the rest, what’s the deal?
I understand where your mind is at, but the sound of the tire spinning on pavement likely was one or more tires touching the edge of the rollers. Those tires used in this test are the newest high performance 3 mountain peak all season tires. I highly doubt it was slipping on the pavement.
I suspect the programming was never dialed in for 3 tires without grip and only 1 tire in the front with grip. Thankfully, that's an easy over the air update fix away if Tesla tasks their engineers to fix it.
@@uberragen2181 Already done!
Think it is an issue of weight distribution.
Three wheels off it just didn't have enough weight on it to find enough purchase, no matter the torque.
I think it was, it just weighs too much and the weight is rear biased and there's not a ton of travel in the suspension, so it just lost traction, I think you're right.
Love your roller tests!
@Camaro 68 sure, but it shows more or less how the AWD system works and that's the point of the slip test :)
@Camaro 68 It won't act a bit different from this on ice.
@Camaro 68 the test is not supposed to be 100% real world but give an approximate conditions. If it fails this it’s probably not going to do better real world in less ideal conditions.
@@eric-ik7kv No objection to the ‘c’ when you give such excellent, well-reasoned takes.
@Camaro 68 You're welcome.
I love how you guys do these tests. It would be cool if you rank and rate vehicles by class etc for these tests! Where does this Model Y land when compared to other cars?
The other cars don't get stuck. The model Y does.
@@copperkeyracing6167a lot of other cars do lol the Camry for example got stuck in the 3 wheel test when just the 1 rear wheel had traction.
props to Tommy for noticing it caught the side. TFL honest reviews as always
Thanks for telling me that was an SUV. Looks like a 4 door hatchback sedan to me!
The term SUV is used very loosely these days, it basically lost all meaning.
Its a crossover suv.
Half suv half sedan.
Basically the only reason they call it a crossover suv because of the giant hatch
It's sporty. It offers a lot of utility. It's a vehicle.
It has a large rear hatch, great cargo capacity, small front trunk and moderate towing capability. You can install a lift kit and taller tires and take it off road.
What makes an SUV? A frame? Bad gas mileage? Bad aerodynamics? Stiff ride? Solid rear axel? Old tech? Burns fossil fuel?
Two box stying? Visits gas stations once or twice a week?
Ok. Just call it a Model Y.
Crossover, wagon, hatch, whatever.
The crap people focus on.
The Model S is is a hatchback sedan. That's a lot different than the Model Y.
The Model 3 is a proper sedan with a trunk lid.
The Model Y is over 7 inches taller than the Model 3 and is a bit wider and longer also.
It's not a small vehicle.
Gotta learn about vehicles.
It’s an suv like all other hundreds of suvs out there from Japan /korea and now China .
Nothing new why r u surprised.
Even Porsche suvs are the same proportions and height .. not sure what ur comparing it to.
The next level up is of course Toyota / Land Rover / ford proper truck chassis which resembles nothing like suv or “cute Ute”
When are we gonna get a 4wheel slip test?
Lol
They’ll be able to test that when cars come with an auxiliary jet engine attached to them. 😂
@@JonBecker81 Or three axles.
Love the slip test because, you know, science, experiments, data, uniform conditions, etc. But, where is the league table?
Ok Tommy. If you’re plugging Keeps, we need to see a time lapse for the next 10 years. One pick a week from here on out please!
He doesn’t have hair loss tho
@@zuhermarwan6513 yeah now thanks to KEEPS 😂🤣😂
Turns out the ‘fanboys’ were right. So maybe they weren’t ‘fanyboys’, they were just the smart ones that believed in the product when no one else did. Let’s give them some respect.
Excellent review 😊 👍
I rode my new model Y in the snow for the first time yesterday. It drove very secure and safe. I waas able to even conquer some minor moutains plowed up to the side while trying to get street parking.
What timing to see this video!
Mine also did very well, better than the other cars on the road a few days ago. Still need a big snow storm to see how it handles that. I did put winter tires on my car.
Male pattern baldness ➡️ double tap, double tap, double tap
Yes, I had visions of the "spray on hair", Second City I think ☺️
I can’t wait for the quad motor Rivian test.
My X is a beast in the snow so I was surprised to see the last test go so bad.
Just curious if it felt like the front brakes were grabbing at all on the last test? The way it is all software driven, I wouldn't be surprised if an update gets pushed in the future to fix the last test.
The X and S have dynamic air suspension. Maybe that would enable them to ace the last test by improving that one wheel's contact with the ground?
I am still deceived that the rear wheels have to slip trough 3/4 turn to activate the front motor. Electronics coud be way better.
In deep snow and ice, you dig yourself with this.
I am always getting scared when it does this on my Model 3 Dual Motor.
Regen and rear bias makes a squirelly (yaw) car on the snow compared to a real awd or fwd.
Tesla could make a ''Winter traction'' mode that engage and regen both motors even if we lose some efficiency.
By default, a Model Y drives on the rear motor at low speed (permanent magnet motor). Only if you call up lots of power will the front motor engage (induction motor). It's the opposite on Model S/X, with the front wheels leading.
How do we know that?
@@maryhadda8420 because that's how these motors work, mechanically. PMSRM can't disengage. Always has to be on. Induction can disengage.
Doesn’t look like an SUV
For a computer-driven car, this is a FAIL FAIL FAIL.
No excuse is acceptable in this case.
@@MetaView7 I concur. An awd Camry just aced this same test.
Yeah there’s some weird software issues here where it never tries to push traction to each wheel individually to test the traction available. I’d classify this one as a bug.
Excellent video. This is how engineering would do the test.... I was debating dual motor or single. This pushes me over to dual motor. That is what everyone saying the best value is a dual motor in Tesla car
The Y doesn’t come in a single motor.
The Mach E is reportedly a better driver and the interior is vastly superior. I know where I’ll be spending my money
@@mattbrew11 go to abetterroutplanner.com. And enter a destination you might want to go with all electric cars your considering getting. This will give you an idea of strengths and weakness of traveling. Everyone's needs are different. As a 69 mustang owner I wish they wouldn't have used the Mustang name on a 4 door crossover.
@@captn3x while I initially found it odd, it stirred up a hornets nest of buzz and in this day in age that seems to be how successful marketing is accomplished. You’ll get an electric mustang soon enough.
As far as a better route planner the charging infrastructure will catch up soon enough. They’ll be as common as gas stations in a few years that doesn’t concern me. I’m getting a hybrid F150 with a 700 mile range so if I care to drive that far, that works fine for me
@@mattbrew11 Mach E LOL !
@@captn3x I agree. Ford will dilute the Mustang name by doing this. Why they don't see that is beyond me.
I wan't to see you try a test will all 4 tires on rollers. If you turned off traction control and ABS, then ran the car up to high speed (60-100 mph ?), and slammed on the brakes, maybe the inertia of the rollers would be just enough to push the car off backwards. Do I really think this would work? No the bearings in the rollers would probably self destruct first. But it in any case, it would almost guarantee excitement. 😁
What makes this car an SUV? A taller roof? Great video, though :)
The hatch, the elevated ride height, ground clearance, cargo space
Crossover SUV
@@gvmt1 elevated ride height lmao. The Toyota Camry is higher off the ground
@@mattbrew11 It clearance is on par with something like a ford escape.
Please do a roller test with a Mitsubishi Outlander GT! I swear they have one of the best AWD systems in the business lifted right off the EVO. I’d like to see how the S-AWC system performs here. Dollar for dollar, it’s the cheapest/ best AWD on the market. You’d have to spring for an Audi (Quattro) system to get anything comparable
AWC and S-AWC systems in Outlander has nothing in common with the one from Evo. Literally nothing except "S-AWC" name.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers That’s not true....do your research. I did, and that’s why I bought one. The S-AWC system on the Outlander GT has an Active Center Differential (ACD), which sends nearly 100 percent of available torque to the front axle under normal conditions, but can divert as much as half of the available torque to the rear axle for a 50/50 split. It also has Super Active Yaw Control (S-AYC), a torque-vectoring system lifted from the EVO that uses an active differential to send up to 70 percent of torque available on an axle to either the left or right wheel to enhance handling. The only difference between the EVO and Outlander is the EVO has S-AYC on both the front and rear axles to improve performance, while the Outlander is front axle only. In fact, the Outlander GT is the only vehicle in its class on the market today that features an active front differential (AFD). DO YOUR RESEARCH. I can tell you from experience, it’s one of the best and has never disappointed me. Last winter, we had 2ft of snow and Mercedes, BMW, Nissan, Toyota SUVs were abandoned all over the road while my Outlander drove through it like it was butter.
Here’s the link to more info if you need it www.mitsubishi-motors.ca/en/sawc/
@@soiceyboy33 Evo has active center differential, helical front differential (torsen type) and overspeeding rear differential. Outlander doesn't have ANY of these. Actually it doesn't even have center differential at all, just a clutch-pack. It is completely different system. Of course it has AFD which is great but it has nothing in common with Evo. Both cars use S-AWC and AYC names but technically they are not even similar. In roller tests GT gets the same result as standard Outlander. Both are doing much better than Evo, which is not designed for that.
Read more than marketing stuff, check what's underneath the cars. I had a few Mitsubishi cars, I tested a lot of them on rollers, I know what I am talking about.
8:35 you should have tried to summon it to see what it does
Ok I love your videos, but to say your guys are not Tesla fanboys I am not buying. I am constantly seeing Tesla videos posted by TFL.
"I'm no fanboy, but I'm really impressed by this Tesla that couldn't get unstuck!"
What about those videos where they are critical of Tesla?
@@jamesbeaman6337 What I am saying is they always have Tesla and they are a small market. Look at how big Honda is and there are more videos of Tesla than Honda for example. The content is fine. I am a TFL fan just too many Tesla videos.
Why don't you show the tire on the ground slipping from the 3 wheel test. The car is doing everything correct, you tested it on wet ground with aftermarket wheels and tires. You can hear on the video the ground tire is spinning on the ground. What a flawed test
Keep in mind that the model 3 and y only use the rear motor because of its efficiency. The front motor is only in use when you floor it or lose traction on the rear wheels.
Also of note is that the Performance model allows you to set it to track mode and adjust how much power goes to front and back (defaults to about 80% rear). If you're actually stuck in the back, you can set it to 80%+ front to compensate.
@@raddaks2039 True
The factory rear caliper covers to make them LOOK bigger should be all you need to know about Tesla.
I feel like the model Y should have done better on that last test. Maybe I’m oversimplifying it, but this seems like an issue that could be resolved through a software update pretty easily
Traction braking is probably softer on the steering wheels on purpose, most drivers won't be prepared for the sudden pull on the steering wheel.
The tire on the ground has virtually no car weight on it because the car is suspended in the air by the 3 tires up on the rollers. Not a good test.
Elias, I’ve watched it several times and don’t hear the driver front tire fighting for traction, I just hear the rollers. One tire should be able to pull the car off.
I wish they showed that wheel in the camera view.
@@ericviele4379 Absolutely!
@@MARXTACET thats the whole point of the test, its an awesome test
I still don't understand how this vehicle is called an SUV...
Because it looks more "trucky" than the 3, and they SAY it is. Without more ground clearance than the 3, it's just a tall car in my book.
Hush, don't tell which wheels you put the rollers under while the car is listening. It's a smart car you know... ;)
THAT'S NOT AN SUV. THAT'S A CAR.
Cross over
@@RudyC27 Tesla calls it a midsize SUV, but bullcrap on it being a crossover, too. It's got about the same if not less ground clearance than the Camry they showed in the same video, and it's 99% proportioned like a car. It's a slight bit more going on up top, but the back of it looks especially carlike. I asked my dad if it was an SUV or a car, and he said it was a car. He also said that they made cars like that going back to the 70s. This is such a car. If they're calling it an SUV to make people feel more inclined to buy it, then I hope it's not a successful experiment because THAT'S A CAR, BABY!
They're CALLING it an SUV, but I think "trucky" styling PLUS extra ground clearance is the hallmark of an SUV. Without the extra ground clearance, yeah, it's a car. Most people will buy it anyway, because they don't go off pavement/road anyway.
They should put an option on the screen that basically shows the entire driveline and you can tell it which brakes to pulse, so you can send power to certain wheels. Any way to tell it which wheels do and done have traction
You can’t manually tell it which to brake or power, but it does have sensors to tell itself which to brake and power
How about a subaru STI on the TFL slip test?
Subaru isn't the biggest fan of TFL... so unless a viewer in the Colorado area has one (not that unlikely, really) they can borrow, they would have to buy one, most likely.
@@silasbelcher3788 Or just rent one for 25 bucks
edt: Oh wait, he said an STI. $50 then
That burns gas so nah
Go to track mode, you’ll be able to change it to 100% front or rear drive. Could be interesting to watch.
Unless something changed recently, track mode is not available on the Y. Only on the 3. Musk did respond to a tweet where someone asked for it, so it may be in the pipeline.
@@stephen-boddy2023: Now track mode is available.
Hope to see you do roller test on 21” Toyota Sienna AWD
Would be interesting to test the different awd systems provided by suburu because not all suburu awds are created equal.
Would be great but stupid Subaru still won't give them press cars.... 🤦♂️🤦♂️
@@cascivic can someone explain the backstory on why they won’t provide tfl with vehicles.
They took an outback I think up there old proving Hill for suvs and the CVT sucked etc and they may of dented something. I think Subaru came with a tow truck and like took it without telling them and basically never talked to them again. This is probably 7 years ago.
@@cascivic The Subaru CVT is much better now I've heard. We have one with no CVT issues.
The rear wheel slip test confirms my experience. I really don't like the way my Y behaves in the snow. It drives like a RWD car and constantly oversteers as it takes too long for the front wheels to "wake up". I hope they give us control over how the power is distributed in the future. It would be great to be able to better balance it.
There is a video from Bjørn Nyland driving on a snowy road and making similar comments for the Model 3.
No track mode for the Y?
@@integralhighspeedusb Only on the performance one I think. My car doesn't have it.
These types of oversights continue to prove to me that Tesla is still being run by tech geeks and not car and truck enthusiasts. It should be VERY easy (software update?) to give the driver more front-to-rear torque split control. The EVO and STi have a knob allowing some amount of driver selection. Tesla SHOULD also be able to give you the ability to make a series of selections and save it as a personal Mode. Even going up hill versus down hill, you might want torque applied differently then front-to-rear.
snowrocket maybe when it’s all done in Texas they’ll have more snow to rest it on. Elon will eventually hear about this video and watch it - yes, this is totally a software update.
Good test, but in the last one we were unable to see (due to camera placement) what the left front tire was doing. IF the left front was actually spinning on the cold pavement, it’s a tire/traction failure.. not an AWD power transfer failure. Huge difference and very relevant.
Also might be due to limited suspension travel so not much weight on the active tire?
Very possible, but we really needed to see what that tire was doing. If it was stationary, then it’s a total fail on the all-wheel-drive system’s ability to transfer power. If it was spinning, then it was a traction failure exacerbated by limited suspension travel.
Wish you put the camera on the ground wheel for final test. Seemed to me that ground wheel was slipping also. It was maybe 3 rollers 1 icy
Same. The front wheel was likely slipping because the other 3 wheels were 2-3 inches higher, removing the weight from the tire on the ground. If the car had been level it would have made it.
Great video. Clearly more rear wheel drive than front but perhaps Tesla will see this and issue an ‘over the air software update’ to help with this potential issue. I think it would be cool if the Tesla computer would interact with the amount of information it has over the air, like weather and GPS location including cameras on the car to to recognise and adjust the cars set up as a custom setting (within safety reasons) to deal with the current real time terrain the car finds itself in at any given time.
Either way, more potential tools at its disposal for a standard well rounded car.
I would love to see this test again today to see if anything has changed
Normally the traction control on cars handle this info just without using air temps. It detects what wheel is spinning, directs power to a wheel that is getting traction.
I'll bet someone from Tesla will watch this video and in a few months they will update the software to make it work perfectly. It's exactly the sort of thing Tesla does.
Perhaps, but why didn't they do this test and fix it before releasing it?
@@snowrocket No one is perfect and a tech company, like Tesla, may not have a bunch of crazy Colorado Off-roaders working for them.
@@snowrocket You assume that the all knowing, all seeing, Elon would find every possible problem or oversight before the car is released. I believe they just didn't see the need for a more comprehensive all wheel drive algorithm for a car that drives mostly on the road.
The old timers just have a conniption fit on anything electric. It’s like when their favorite diesel truck review comes on and Kamala Harris interrupts with a brief message...
It could be Greta Thunberg. "HOW DARE YOU?!?!?"
Needs a differential lock. Of course dual drives, you'd need TWO differential locks.
I agree that they SHOULD offer that, but I'd BET most of their customers wouldn't understand it or find sufficient value in it to buy it. Jeep customers, well that's different, hence the Rubicon.
pretty damn good considering that it's an open differential instead of LSD
Now I want to see the 40 year old diesel Mercedes.
Have you done one of these with the new Venza?
Looking forward to TFL lifted Model Y offroad test.
Can you even lift it much with the skateboard design?
9:03 [sounding disappointed and somewhat breathless] "Well we did eventually get off but that was a difficult task."
Whit an update of software , will solve it
I would just save the money and get a camry awd.
How do most AWD systems do on these tests? I have a Buick Encore AWD for example I wonder how it would do on these tests? The model Y seemed pretty good though.
I think I would have hit the accelerator more on the single front wheel test, then the brakes would have kicked in on the slipping wheels maybe.
There's quite a lot of slippage in Buick Encore AWD before systems start to react. Not too good, not too bad.
Just started watching, hope it does good, hated Tesla’s but got to ride Sons 3, hard to get in and out of for a old guy and my 2.7 Ecoboost F150 is Quick but nothing like the Tesla. He also bought a Volt, again hard to get in and out of, not fast, but in a lot of ways makes sense, GM had no ideal how to market them, sad. He drives it 12 miles to work and back, puts it in the charger and rarely has to gas it up, his wife drives the Tesla. Bald here and love it, run a wash cloth over it and roll, saved thousands on hair care products, I’m guessing Roman spends around 500 a month on that head of hair.
Gas on it! You know in the real world everyone will give it the beans lol!
FULL SEND!
And that's why I see so many people stuck here in Ohio: they give it too much throttle when they shouldn't.
I thought this car performed pretty good. Interesting to see that it is primarily rwd.
Only at low speeds because the rear motor has more torque and the rear has more traction. At higher speeds it’s primarily front wheel drive because the front motor is more efficient.
Gilbert? @9:58. Older generation will get it and I mention it in endearing jest!
Good, fair test, thanks!!
"Not a lot of ground clearance in the Model Y"? If the specs I found are correct, it has 6.6 inches of ground clearance which is substantially more than most modern passenger cars have and more than on any vehicle I've owned over 50+ years. These slip tests are fun to watch but don't seem particularly relevant to real world driving. Maybe sometimes take these vehicles over Loveland Pass on a day when the snow plows can barely keep up and on poorly plowed residential streets around Summit County ski areas.
Use your eyes, that wasn’t 6.6 inches of ground clearance. Looked more like 5.6 inches.
@@sfoy623 LOL, my eyes do not have a built in ruler. The Model 3 has 5.5 inches of ground clearance and the Model Y has 6.6 inches according to multiple sources including Motor Trend: www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-model-y-model-3-size-comparison/
My regular 2007 Subaru Impreza 2.5i wagon has 6.3 inches. It's a regular car, not an Outback or a Jeep. The Y has MORE clearance than many vehicles, but it's still not substantial. Part of the reason is to keep the battery range number high. More clearance will put more air under it, making the aerodynamic drag worse, and reduce the range. Guarantee it.
@9:58 He turned into Eddie Murphy for a moment.
Basically Tesla Model Y Long Range AWD is Part-Time AWD by default. But has anyone tested after adding the Acceleration Boost upgrade (+100HP), would it become Real-Time AWD? I guess the extra 100HP comes from the front motor.
Tommy, it looks like the Toyota Camry in your last test actually did better than this Tesla.
Just tag Tesla in this video... I bet there's an update next week to fix the three wheel take off. 😅
base civic vs lsd civic in slip test...
Tommy, thanks for this vid. I am a bit disappointed in the last test with the single front wheel up. Wouldn't a subaru just divert power to the one front wheel and easily pull forward? Not sure why Tesla can't ace this one. Also, can you guys mod your Y with the lift kit from Mountain Pass? That would get some extra ground clearance for dirt and snow.
Could probably be fixed with a simply software update. Someone needs to notify Tesla about this test.
After seeing the mustang Mach E being even better than the Y in some first drive reviews I’d like to see it on this test.
Since they haven't gone head to head you can't say the Mach E is better than the Model Y. I'm not a fanboy I'm just saying. Don't act like a 10 year old.
So, you point out that if only 1 front tire has traction, you're stuck. And then say the results were "an impressive result" and "Tesla has done a good job." Which is it? It can't be both.
It's pathetic is what it is. An awd Camry just aced the same test only a few days ago.
The Camry is mainly fwd, the Tesla is mainly rwd.
Not as good as I thought
What really pisses me off is that Audi had the perfect solution to this back in the 90s - a small button underneath the handbrake to lock the rear diff. The situations this little button helped me out of are nothing short of a nightmare even for a proper off-roader. 3 wheel on ice with no traction - no problem, just lock the rear diff, put it in reverse and drag yourself out of trouble. Really feel sorry for selling my old Audi 80 Quattro. Cars simply aren't build like that anymore. Rugged, dependable and idiot-proof.
Tesla Model 3 AWD performed better than Subaru Outback (that replaced it with), in the worst slippery conditions, and we live in Mountainous area. Now, the ground clearance was the issue in deep snow, therefore we replaced our last gasoline stinker with Model Y which I lifted to 9”. I had to say that Tesla hands down the better vehicle than Subaru (or any petrol vehicle) in any way.
No more petrol.
How do you think the Model Y did in this test compared to the same test you did on your Model 3. I was convinced to buy a Model 3 LR Dual-Motor after seeing your similar test and wish I didn't have to sell it. I have the Model Y Performance now which doesn't have the same range as the M3 and those stock low profile tires are scary for long road trips in the winter. There are many trips I take where there is no cell coverage in case I get a flat. Like you, I am planning on replacing the stock 21" wheels with Martian Wheels and was wondering if you saw a reduction in ground clearance with your Michelin tires? What offset did you order for your 19" wheels and what tire size? I was thinking of 255/45R19 on all wheels. I lived in Colorado Springs for over ten years and miss the scenery.
You are testing the Performance MY.
I have the LR MY, drove it first time this past week in NJ in the snow storm. It was stable, though I did fish tail a couple of times over 35 mph.
Takes some getting used to, had a AWD R350 in the past & with that weight, that was more stable than the MY. Overall, it was fine for regular winter driving. 😊😍😮
I’ve been using cross climate 2 for 3 yrs now on my 2017 SQ5. They are incredible in all weathers conditions but you should know it is 10% less efficient than my previous set of Michelin pilot AS. Didn’t know that before purchase.
one thing i noticed, you mentioned that the model Y doesn't have a lot of ground clearance. you realize why that is right? it's a model Y performance. AKA a LOWERED faster model Y. if you drive in heavy snow, maybe don't buy the one that has been lowered?
Great info Tommy, should do the same for Audi and Subaru
Audi’s system is fanatic using Torsen diffs !!
how was this a GOOD result?! it show how BAD electronic torque control is on model Y - you clearly could not stop spining and transfer the power on non spinning wheel - this is what we get when our auto expert is 25 years old?!?!!?
if the wheel just spin that IS NOT GOOD BECAUSE IN LOOSE MATERIAL THE CAR WILL JUST BOTTOM OUT AND THEN YOU ARE IN REAL PROBLEM!!!!
The flaw in these tests is that the way the AWD system operates is to keep the vehicle straight and maintain overall traction, not so much get off rollers. When you are driving and 1-3 wheels slip you don't want power on the wheel(s) with grip. If you send power to the one wheel off rollers with grip, you car will rotate. Now what you want in these tests are cars with AWD, but an LSD in the front or rear, or 4wd. That's good for getting out of mud and stuff like that.
send this to Elon so they can fix this issue for this scenario via firmware updates lol :)
Man I hate it when they aren't permanent all wheel drive. If one wants more power to the rear then use default ratios e.g. 40/60 or 30/70% ratios. But keep all wheels spinning and and apply torque vectoring. Personally I would like 50/50 but that may make the car unpredictable so then 45/55 should be perfect.
Not sure if this test showed that the Tesla is basically a 2wd as many other "all wheel drive" cars. It would be nice to see some tests at speed to really know what is going on.
I had a Audi V8 once which had a torsen differential. 50/50 as default but mechanically basically able to shift 25% to either rear or front. It was a dream on snow and ice. Audi Quattros with torsen differentials are imo the best all wheel drive system for on road driving. Only competitors I see are Subaru and Mitsubishi Lancer EVO, the later is not made anymore and Audi is giving up on Torsen.
You were gentle on the throttle. But on an electric car, both axles are fully software programmed to provide torque based on the programmers choices, just like the rear clutch on an AWD car. I suspect if you jab the power more, the programmer would give the front more immediate torque based on how much quicker the dual motor is vs the rwd car in acceleration tests. Worth a test next time.
That explains why my P3 couldn’t get going on a sloped uphill ice sheet and instead just slowly slipped sideways into a grove of bushes until I crushed them to gain traction, while Audis, VWs and Subarus just pointed and laughed. Garbage result IMNSO. With full wheel control they should be able to weight the “slip start” mode to be essentially more like a “locked center diff” mode which disengages after a certain distance (via momentum calculation using the G sensors).
My Y performance has a mode where you can select how much power goes to each axle. Essentially its juat reducing the power to the other axle all the way to zero. This is interesting as the front motor is a smaller, less powerful motor than the rear. So, while no power goes to the rear, the front gets all the power the one motor can produce, which is obviously less power than the overall rating. Multi-motor cars that used maximum combined power rwrings for AWD, can not send more than 50 percent of power to either axle the way some single motor cars with a center differential or front to rear drive shafts can.
Please do this test on the Raptor
Why you don't test a Jeep Wrangler JL Sahara? And if you ever do it, it would be interessting in all the diffrent modes like 4hi auto, 4hi part time, with/without ESP, TC.
Would be great. Thanx
I currently own a Subaru outback. I want to get a model y performance. We like to go to the mountains and go snowboarding all the time. How would you compare Tesla model y awd to the Subaru outback awd?? Thanks!
Tesla make such visually dreary cars.
If I'm spending £60k on a car, why would I want it to look like it's worth £30k?
Typical AWD car with central locking diff (or even just transfer case with the clutch) and two open diffs is a much better AWD system than electric vehicle with 2 independent motors. The reason is that you can have all the power on either axles of the car if required, while in Tesla you'll have less than half of the power (on weaker motor axle) which is a serious problem with 3 wheel TFL test as we've seen.
Anyone with Tesla logic knows the Tesla is rear-wheel drive mainly, and it's 524 hp.
Yes, Tesla uses primarily the rear motor. BUT, only when going forward!
In reverse, it will primarily use the front motor!