Audi RS4 Quattro VS Tesla Model 3 Performance AWD - What's BEST on snow? ❄️

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  • @tyrereviews
    @tyrereviews  Рік тому +190

    Just to clarify, for "systems off" in the Tesla it was set to track mode with stability assist set to -10 (lowest setting) and regen set to 25%. For traction the FR balance was 50/50 and for handling I found 65/35 the fastest.
    Disclaimer, this was shot nearly 2 years ago so and it was a rental vehicle so no idea how up to date the software was. There might have been a software update since then, but I found the same at the start of this year.

    • @BrKnOblivion
      @BrKnOblivion Рік тому +8

      Well that makes the 'first gen vehicle' comment a little more appropriate, but even then it was like 3rd or 4th gen, if you can even measure teslas like that.

    • @andrewskaterrr
      @andrewskaterrr Рік тому +47

      2 years ago?!?! Why wait so long?

    • @Cogan1
      @Cogan1 Рік тому +26

      Shouldn't you have selected "Slip mode" for the snow driving in the Tesla? As this shuts down the TC completely? At least it does on the RWD and Long Range models

    • @reinhardcremer7192
      @reinhardcremer7192 Рік тому +2

      Now this isn't very scientific, but for what it's worth - when I got my M3 3 years ago it felt more like a rear wheel driven car, over-steering and fun. Now it feels more like a front wheel drive care sliding over the front wheels when turning on snow. I can however also relate to the inconsistency you mention. Just when I think this is how it behaves, it changes and is fun for a sec. I wish I had more control and could pick the software version in the car, so it matches my prefs.

    • @tyrereviews
      @tyrereviews  Рік тому +32

      I didn't extensively test slip mode as we only had a day to test and film however track mode does allow slip and it overrides slip mode. The internet implies that slip mode allows some slip (not total freedom) and disables at a certain speed. I'm sure there's been plenty of updates since filming this.
      2 years - we do winter testing in Jan - March and I didn't have time to finish the edit for last winter, so I saved it for this winter.

  • @bilteman_hukkaportti
    @bilteman_hukkaportti Рік тому +363

    I think there is a good reason why EV cars doesn’t allow to fully turn off TC even in their performance versions, because EV has so much instant power/torq you have to be super precise with acceleration pedal and also it’s very hard to control wheelspin and powerslides without gearbox.

    • @thebrowns5337
      @thebrowns5337 Рік тому +43

      Yes, you'll never be able to fully turn off TC because, as you say, torque. People would be in ditches/trees/bus stops and even those with some self control, imagination and skill would be moaning tyres only last one day.

    • @patrickf2386
      @patrickf2386 Рік тому +18

      @@thebrowns5337 It's not really torque but weight in my opinion. Torque is torque, whether it comes from an ICE or an electric motor doesn't matter. And in theory, the "throttle" in an EV should actually be much more controllable, because it's immediate. I drive a RWD combustion engine car with 700 Nm atm and it will happily go sideways at 1/3 of the throttle already, but it's super easy to control. Difference is, the car weighs 500-700kg less than any EV.

    • @dadthelad
      @dadthelad Рік тому +3

      Yeah, and? Don't want their overbearing nanny control freakiness. Give us full slider control of systems on/off from 100% to 0%, and then I might consider buying one.
      Until then, combustion still rules the roads if you want to drive hard and fast around corners.
      RS4 is pretty much my dream car, what a beast, and it fits all your stuff, people, and surfboards. Sick as.

    • @Nordlicht05
      @Nordlicht05 Рік тому +1

      ​​@@patrickf2386yep. I compare this with a corvette wich I drove. On wet roads without any tc it spun the wheels on low revs instantly. Not much difference to an EV. I don't want to compare wich cars are faster than a corvette an cheaper to set it clear 😅

    • @15bit62
      @15bit62 Рік тому +23

      It's not just the immediate torque. It's also that the front and rear motors are physically uncoupled. Without the software to control, the front-rear bias is whatever the motors intrinsically have, and there is no centre differential to control wheelspin at one end. The two ends of the car are essentially independent.

  • @RayTheFPSGamer
    @RayTheFPSGamer Рік тому +535

    The RS4 sounds lovely

    • @Olppa
      @Olppa Рік тому +27

      It's just fake engine noise from speakers

    • @THjorth
      @THjorth Рік тому +63

      ​@@Olppaexcept it isn't 😂

    • @benupde1979
      @benupde1979 Рік тому +34

      I love my 2018 RS4. Same basic car minus the facelift. I turned my soundaktor off and can confirm, it’s the car sounding like this, not speakers.

    • @xIcarus227
      @xIcarus227 Рік тому +18

      @@THjorth the RS4 definitely has fake noise coming from the speakers.

    • @JAM_2024
      @JAM_2024 Рік тому

      The fake noise sounds stupid

  • @Apemania69
    @Apemania69 Рік тому +65

    Love my audi s3 and my model 3 both in the snow.
    What i learned is that the tesla just goes no matter how steep the hill is with snow. It just keeps pushing.
    What i love about the audi is as you said the predictability of how the car does arround corners.
    From a safety standpoint tesla wins it hands down
    From a funfactor i give it to the audi 😉
    That summs up my experience as a swiss who regularly drive in the mountains

    • @viktorvozniak7605
      @viktorvozniak7605 Рік тому +1

      Genau 👍

    • @Super-lucky-7777
      @Super-lucky-7777 11 місяців тому +1

      Does the performance of the T3 drain as the charge drains ?

    • @namp007
      @namp007 9 місяців тому +3

      ​@@Super-lucky-7777unfortunately yes, not lineary (difference between 100% and 70% is very hard to tell, but diff between 60% and 30% is big)

    • @Super-lucky-7777
      @Super-lucky-7777 9 місяців тому

      @@namp007 ok thanks.

  • @aluminumfalcon552
    @aluminumfalcon552 Рік тому +13

    Those fenders on the Audi bring back memories of the Quattro rally car, looks so cool!

  • @mikemarshall9470
    @mikemarshall9470 11 місяців тому +11

    Finally......a test that eliminates the tire variable!

    • @heresviktor
      @heresviktor 4 дні тому +1

      both of these cars had tires

  • @quattroTorsen
    @quattroTorsen Рік тому +141

    Super interesting comparison for us tire and drivetrain obsessed people👍 love the focus on keeping it unbiased and using the same tires😁

    • @grumpyoldefarte5430
      @grumpyoldefarte5430 Рік тому

      The tesla being heavier will chew up tyres more quickly... (costing more) proven.
      The tesla will chew up brake pads quicker and create more poisonous polluting particle dust.. (costing more) proven.
      Therefore - buy the Tesla!!!

    • @rodrigosarcinelli
      @rodrigosarcinelli Рік тому

      Definitely not unbiased… and I understand his preference for the RS4 … that sound is awesome

    • @snowrocket
      @snowrocket Місяць тому +1

      Using the same exact tires is key to understanding the real differences between the cars themselves. This test showed two of the most fun and best snow cars you can buy anywhere. The Audi didn't surprise me based on their decades of quattro development and rally heritage. It's pretty much everything you could want in a street car for year round use. The Tesla was impressive considering how young the company and the Model 3 is. Considering how simple the 3's drivetrain is and the fact that you can adjust the front-to-rear torque split, it's a winning combination in my mind.

  • @EliasNStuff
    @EliasNStuff 10 місяців тому +38

    The fact that you even compare these two vehicles is a HUGE win for Tesla

    • @tyrereviews
      @tyrereviews  10 місяців тому +6

      A good way of looking at it

    • @HQHQHQHQHQHQHQHQHQHQHQHQHQHQHQ
      @HQHQHQHQHQHQHQHQHQHQHQHQHQHQHQ 2 місяці тому

      They did an amazing job with electronics, but failed with unreliable motors, design and materials. Cybertruck can't even pull a trailer because its rear will break off - whole bumper with some frame.

    • @michaeltan9512
      @michaeltan9512 28 днів тому +6

      More like huge win for Audi. AWD EV has the traction control advantage since the respond time of a motor is way way faster than ICE.

    • @Traumatree
      @Traumatree 23 дні тому +1

      @@michaeltan9512 EV mostly has the weight advantage for their tire size. Put less wide tires on that Audi and see how it rockets.

    • @michaeltan9512
      @michaeltan9512 23 дні тому

      @@Traumatree 235 vs 245, its actually not that big of a difference. Main difference is the motor vs ICE. The model 3 is considered lightweight EV, it's heavier than the Audi but only by ~200lbs so not much.

  • @ae7459
    @ae7459 Рік тому +60

    Super fun to watch comparison. Hats off to Tesla for a far they have come, but nice to see Ingolstadt still be the champ at its own game.

    • @furieux6742
      @furieux6742 Рік тому

      Because weight...

    • @rodrigosarcinelli
      @rodrigosarcinelli Рік тому +2

      Yeah, they kinda made it still win 😅

    • @carholic-sz3qv
      @carholic-sz3qv Рік тому +3

      tesla hasnt come really far lol!!!! traction control systems have existed for decades and had been dveloped by mercedes and BOSCH, i think some audi have a locking diff on their awd system

    • @THExKINGxKINGx
      @THExKINGxKINGx Рік тому

      @@carholic-sz3qvshut up kid 🤡

    • @Jonas-xy8ir
      @Jonas-xy8ir Рік тому

      ​@furieux6742 I live In Canada and when there are ice and snow outside we put some bricks in our cars for better traction
      More weight is better

  • @olabondesson4902
    @olabondesson4902 Рік тому +9

    I would like this test done with Nordic winter tyres. As a Swede, it looked like the tyres are quite bad for snow/ice compared to what we use up here.

  • @nster3
    @nster3 Рік тому +33

    Loved seeing snow traction on vs sport vs off! It gives us mortals an idea of how it might work for us. Keep it up with winter tire content, would love to see impact of tire width and more EV content, notably the BMWs. My BMW i3s has 155 19" tire/wheel set for winter and 195 20" summer set. Being RWD, my rear tires get chewed up SO FAST, by far the most expensive part of driving my car is tires every couple of years!

    • @Stilo95
      @Stilo95 Рік тому +3

      Buy a proper BMW.

  • @Huttify
    @Huttify Рік тому +3

    Kudos for using the same tyres on the cars. It is alarming for how many testers that does not understand the importance of this.

  • @rodmunch69
    @rodmunch69 Рік тому +39

    I'm from Florida, never seen snow, and found this to be really interesting. Something that will also be interesting is based on the new Cybertruck, and according to the Hagerty video on it, that it's now all steer-by-wire. That will certainly come to the other models soon, and it means they'll be able to really dial in steering however you want it, beyond just making it heavier. Just think in a few years that you'll be able to buy performance tires, then download profiles for those tires based on the conditions, and how you want to drive. That could be amazing, and here much sooner than you might think.

    • @chiboreache
      @chiboreache Рік тому +2

      truck is pure useless rubbish, it would perform much worse than 3

    • @Gilbertus64
      @Gilbertus64 Рік тому +3

      @@chiboreachehow would you know ? Are you working at Tesla ?

    • @chiboreache
      @chiboreache Рік тому +1

      @@Gilbertus64 i'm just not mirricas🤷‍♂ i have brain in my head, instead of wind of the freedom🦅

    • @giacomu1
      @giacomu1 Рік тому

      Murican freedom saved your a.. in ww2, and today Russians eat dirt in Ukraine using (mostly)US ammunition because EU is the " virgin girl" who wants to get married to a rapist from Russia and live a easy life using Russian oil and gas.

    • @Killyang
      @Killyang Рік тому +2

      That’s actually a really smart comment. The idea of downloading a specific steering profile based on current tires and road surface sounds insane but it’s probably just a couple of years away.

  • @Rone-w
    @Rone-w Рік тому +16

    It was some time ago so unsure if it was an option but the tesla does have "slip-start" option (not in track mode) which could have made difference also

    • @Dave-ei7kk
      @Dave-ei7kk 26 днів тому +1

      I was thinking the same thing. My Tesla M3 Performance has had the slip start option since 2018 and still does. That feature is designed for starts on limited traction surfaces. Track mode is for track day on a high traction surface.

  • @JoeAchilles1
    @JoeAchilles1 Рік тому +3

    Incredible video mate, Lou and I loved it ♥

  • @CED99
    @CED99 Рік тому +22

    I like the world where 220kg is "a few kilos"

    • @seashackf1
      @seashackf1 9 місяців тому +2

      I noticed that too. When he said a few kilos I specifically looked at the weights and was like….wait…😉

  • @p0werl0ve
    @p0werl0ve 8 місяців тому +11

    Tesla did surprisingly well. This is flagship Audi product.

    • @stealthhtm23
      @stealthhtm23 23 дні тому

      RS6/7 would be Audi’s flagship cars

    • @Fanaleds-software
      @Fanaleds-software 20 днів тому

      @@stealthhtm23 RSQ8 would be more flagship.

    • @stealthhtm23
      @stealthhtm23 20 днів тому +1

      @@Fanaleds-software why would an suv be a flagship car? lol

    • @UCh5Y7Xd0i3UUWRpAjFs
      @UCh5Y7Xd0i3UUWRpAjFs 15 днів тому

      ​@@stealthhtm23 I purchased my Tesla model 3 Performance with 12tsd km for 37.500€. No Service costs, no taxes and only 5 liter consumption.

  • @evol3852
    @evol3852 Рік тому +9

    To Audi: Give this man only Torsen models so that he can use them more often in his videos.

    • @seashackf1
      @seashackf1 9 місяців тому +1

      Yes, he should never use haldex to represent Quattro. If using haldex just use a VW so as not to muddy the waters.

  • @jamest5149
    @jamest5149 Рік тому +39

    As a RS6 owner entering winter, this made me so happy 😇

    • @CONNNE
      @CONNNE Рік тому +14

      quattro is just built different. I've seen a 3.0 diesel quattro pulling a bus out of snow few years ago

    • @arekb5951
      @arekb5951 Рік тому +7

      ​@@CONNNEprobably the bus didn't need much to get pulled out, quattro is not magic, many modern drivetrains can spin all four wheels at once especially on snow, so it's down to the tyres and amount of traction they have. Quattro won't magically increase grip of the tyres that are on the car. Main torsen quattro advantages compared to clutch based AWD systems are robustness and predictability on moderate/low grip surfaces.

    • @thebrowns5337
      @thebrowns5337 Рік тому +2

      People forget it's all down to tyres. The best system in the world is still running on four small patches of plastic (tyres are not really rubber these days) on a very slippy surface.
      The worst thing is some drivers think their 4x4/all wheel drive/quattro etc makes their car better all round on snow and ice - in terms of braking it makes no difference. So they barrel towards a corner or back of a queue and end up in trouble.

    • @PatG-xd8qn
      @PatG-xd8qn Рік тому +2

      ​@@thebrowns5337Exactly. I live in the second snowiest city in Canada (Saguenay) and most cars I see in ditches in winter are AWD SUVs. That's because AWD might help the car to accelerate faster on snow, but it doesn't help to steer nor to brake. The higher speed those people are going increases their risks of crashing

    • @GaborBekkerbboytr1ck2g
      @GaborBekkerbboytr1ck2g Рік тому

      @@arekb5951watch some videos.. and learn more about quattro

  • @pauledwards1157
    @pauledwards1157 Рік тому +8

    I own an S5 and the car is absolutely amazing in the snow with Blizzaks. Without a doubt, the best, most confident feel of any car I’ve ever driven with snow tires. What surprises me is how good it is in the snow even with the summer tires.

  • @tomcardale5596
    @tomcardale5596 Рік тому +4

    It would be really interesting to see the comparison between an older Torsen Audi and a newer Haldex Audi.
    My gut feeling is the full time Torsen will perform better than the "lock the clutch up when it slips" Haldex but I've been wrong before!

    • @walthefl
      @walthefl Рік тому +1

      Isn’t heldex only on the small Audis with the transversely mounted engine (like a3 or q3)?

    • @rkan2
      @rkan2 Рік тому +1

      There are at least "Ultra Quattro" A4s that have Haldex 4WD system. But I think they are only the 4cyl models, not RS with 6cyl.

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers Рік тому

      ​@@rkan2Quattro ultra is not haldex. Both are using clutch packs to power rear wheels but they are different systems.

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers Рік тому

      ​@@waltheflSmall models and 2nd gen of R8.

  • @Pabla98
    @Pabla98 11 місяців тому +2

    As Model S LR owner and RS7 owner this review is spot on. The Tesla AWD system works very well when it works but its a bit unpredictable there are a lot variables it playing with and it errors on the safe side (my car doesn't have track mode so can't turn of ESC or change torque split). The Audi on the other hand almost feels like a sledge hammer in a good way, it was predictable but almost felt like it was allowing a lot of slip (ESC Sport). It isn't an apples to apples comparison though since I have directional snow tires on the RS7 and high performance winter tires on the Tesla but whenever it snows I reach for the RS7 keys.

  • @GaborBekkerbboytr1ck2g
    @GaborBekkerbboytr1ck2g Рік тому +29

    quattro is quattro.. still the king :)

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers Рік тому +7

      Quattro is a marketing name for over twenty different types of awd systems.

  • @numero_nero8621
    @numero_nero8621 Рік тому +2

    I’ve been driving a B9.5 RS4 on winter tyres for a couple of weeks and am genuinely surprised by how modern winter tyres can handle the car’s 600Nm torque on cold but not yet icy tarmac (Pilot Alpin 4 275/30R20). I can send the car flat out from cruising around 50-60mph without making the tyres squeal. If they didn’t make whining noise at low speed passengers won’t know it’s on winter tyres. Amazing.
    It’s great to know they’re going to perform this good on the snow too.

    • @mho0
      @mho0 Місяць тому

      I have pilot Alpin 5 in Polestar 2 BST and I cannot stop being amazed how good those tires are in everything else than wet ice. And even on ice they are still drivable.

  • @tafl-9198
    @tafl-9198 Рік тому +10

    Awesome video 👍 Would also be interesting to see some EV RWD testing in same conditions.

  • @B2C2007
    @B2C2007 Рік тому +2

    Love these reviews. So much info to process and not dumbed down in its description of feel and technique.

  • @aho4fun
    @aho4fun Рік тому +3

    For best all wheel drive u need to test 2018+ subaru wrx sti with DCCD control, u can adjust what u need to be quick :) with active vectoring , helical-type limited-slip front differential and
    TORSEN limited-slip rear differential...it's proper snow machine... can u test also the same tyre in different rim sizes with one car, because test show some wierd differences .

  • @GregVannetelbosch
    @GregVannetelbosch Рік тому +1

    Can you please share tyres size + specifications for Tesla

  • @busslayer4790
    @busslayer4790 Рік тому +19

    Even with a lot of modern IC cars, the electronic nanny systems really kill any kind of fun in the snow. I guess they help people who are just trying to get where the are going, but they make aggressive driving frustratingly unpredictable.

    • @tyrereviews
      @tyrereviews  Рік тому +14

      Which is why I'm thankful you can still turn them off in the RS4 instead of pulling an abs fuse

    • @iain8837
      @iain8837 Рік тому +9

      99% of people will drive in these conditions with all systems on, Tesla wins in that situation.

    • @Manakuski
      @Manakuski Рік тому +3

      Which is why even a regular BMW 3-series is fun on snow, because even in the G20 you can turn DSC off and it is fun.

    • @harryspeakup8452
      @harryspeakup8452 Рік тому +8

      @@iain8837 but those 99% of people will just get a regular A4 Avant or LR Tesla, not a performance version

    • @swishyfeet
      @swishyfeet Рік тому +3

      @@harryspeakup8452 In real life we don't have a prepped road or fluffy snow banks, we have curbs and traffic

  • @duramaxadventures5832
    @duramaxadventures5832 Рік тому +1

    Do bear in mind that power balance slider in track mode is only for when steering lock is applied (I don't have the data for the point at which it's active). When the wheel is straight it's Tesla default (same as 50:50 on slider)

  • @robertantoncic7610
    @robertantoncic7610 Рік тому +5

    Dream test conditions💪💪💪
    Driving on a track like that is a game and life changing experience as even on very moderate speeds gives you loads of adrenaline and ideas about how the car would behave on some extremely high speeds which will not be safe on the regular track and particularly not on the regular road. Perfect execution and great filming💯💥🔥

  • @yamahass66
    @yamahass66 Рік тому +1

    Hakkapelitta R3 vs R5?
    And Hakkapelitta 9 vs 10?
    What you you think about those and why?

  • @karlo8570
    @karlo8570 Рік тому +6

    great review as usual! 👍👍 Just wanted to add that quattro ultra (first appeared with a4 b9 allroad 2.0 ) isnt the same thing as haldex (uses hydraulic clutch at the rear wheels). All audis (a3,a1,q2,q3.) that has latitudinally mounted engine uses haldex and all models of vw that has 4motion. haldex more of an FWD usually engages when there is a slip detected.
    Ultra is more engaged systems and depending on which drive mode you are in... i.e in practice it will disengage rear diff with "ultra clutch" (sets of wet clutch plates, at the back of transmision) on straight highway speeds with normal conditions, when there's no need to drive whole driveline and sets of gears like torsen quattro to reduce friction and losses - ergo more fuel consumption. Todays quattros are more of an emblem thing as you know. there is bunch of videos and study explanation on yt
    btw your tests are mandatory in my opinion! 💪

    • @glisse499
      @glisse499 Рік тому

      Minor correction - neither the current RS3 or Golf Type R use a Haldex system. Audi currently have 4 different quattro systems in use for their ICE vehicles, so not sure what you meant by the emblem thing. Not a great surprise that Jonathan likes the rear biased self-locking centre diff version, it suits his driving style 😂

    • @ego4551
      @ego4551 Рік тому

      Small correction, The quattro in the B9 was quattro with ultra technology and not quattro ultra. They are different systems.

    • @karlo8570
      @karlo8570 Рік тому

      Yes the latest RS3 uses RS torque splitter, when you look at SSP it looks like there is two of "ultra clutch"/awd clutch on each drive shaft in the rear :D but i didnt mention RS models ;)
      Didnt mean in negative context, but more in the way that nowadays there is a couple of quattro versions (better or slightly less better variants) with pros and cons in setup with same emblem that real audi connoisseur will recognize :D
      PS didn't dive to deep into RS3 tqsp quattro, but seems like way to go 😬 @@glisse499

    • @karlo8570
      @karlo8570 Рік тому +1

      btw what do you mean with "they are different system"? there is no two versions of "ultra"
      it is quattro with ultra technology like you said or commomly used way of saying the same thing "quattro ultra" ;)@@ego4551

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers Рік тому

      ​@@karlo8570The difference between quattro ultra and haldex is only the driveshaft disconnection. Torque transfer is basically the same, actually haldex is even more active as it's never entirely open.

  • @JRCarReviews
    @JRCarReviews Рік тому +1

    Pleas do dedicated EV summer tires test on Model 3 LR, curious about Michelin E-Primacy vs Hankook E-On EVO 18” stock wheels performance.

  • @william_hartman
    @william_hartman Рік тому +5

    During the drag race portion you mentioned turning the systems off on the Audi on run 4, but did you also turn on track mode to get more control of the Tesla as well?

    • @jammaschan
      @jammaschan Рік тому +4

      you should probably watch the video because he already answered the question

    • @topgunm
      @topgunm Рік тому +2

      @@jammaschan yeah, and he was wrong. Track mode lets the wheels spin. So it would have been a good and fair race.

    • @jammaschan
      @jammaschan Рік тому +1

      @@topgunm if you already know the answer then don't pretend to ask a question, just say your opinion.

    • @tyrereviews
      @tyrereviews  Рік тому +3

      Track mode was turned on for the drag races with systems off, along with tc set to -10

    • @topgunm
      @topgunm Рік тому

      @@jammaschan i didn't write the original comment 🤣

  • @quikgt
    @quikgt Рік тому +1

    As a 60 + person who grew up drifting everywhere, I approve this video!

  • @BackToWar100
    @BackToWar100 Рік тому +4

    I really want to see a real Quattro Audi from the 90's or 80's to see the difference .

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers Рік тому

      There were a few systems in 80s. In 90s to.

    • @vit.c.195
      @vit.c.195 9 місяців тому

      No you dont... because torsen was 1WD drive and you will never guess which one.

  • @teovm
    @teovm Рік тому

    No questions, just pure fun watching this. Amazing! Keep up the good work.

  • @festyVAL21
    @festyVAL21 Рік тому +4

    you didn’t mention what settings you used for the track mode. those make all the difference. “systems off” would be 50/50 and traction at 5

    • @tyrereviews
      @tyrereviews  Рік тому +4

      Traction was at -10, after a lot of playing I found 65/35 (r/f) fastest

  • @elektro3000
    @elektro3000 Рік тому +2

    Any thoughts on how this comparison might have gone if you did the same tests with the Nokian Hakka R5? Would that make it a little closer to dry asphalt, so advantage to the Tesla? Or would it just enhance the Audi's ability to take advantage of wheel slip?

    • @doggavatar4555
      @doggavatar4555 Рік тому +2

      Majority of the time, in real life situations, Audi will gets smashed by the M3P. Especially with winter tires and having fraction control on. It probably costs half the price or even less in Finland too due to stupid car tax, yes?

  • @lassebauer
    @lassebauer Рік тому +24

    I´m impressed how fast that kitchen appliance is on the snow.

    • @zmirc
      @zmirc Рік тому +1

      😂

    • @tyrereviews
      @tyrereviews  Рік тому +5

      lol. It's a very fun appliance

    • @lassebauer
      @lassebauer Рік тому +1

      @@tyrereviews Yup, I tried a couple of them. They are lots of fun, like toys.

  • @HyadumHH
    @HyadumHH Рік тому +1

    All good and fun, but I wonder how many laps can you do in the Tesla before it will not allow you to drift at all?

    • @borinvlogs
      @borinvlogs 11 місяців тому

      Question is how many laps can you do without getting tired, sick and dizzy? 🤢

  • @Z-u-m-a
    @Z-u-m-a Рік тому +3

    Great test. Great place to do it too - that slope could be really illustrative in comparing different tyres (makes, winter vs 4S/AS) and drive systems (2/4) .

  • @alexandermaliy3515
    @alexandermaliy3515 17 днів тому

    Thank you & Please, keep on going! it is such an interesting, rare and useful content. I wish you also compare other different AWD systems: AUDI, BMW, Mercedes, Acura, Ford, Nissan, Toyota, SubaruCadillac, Volvo, etc.

  • @davetravels9273
    @davetravels9273 Рік тому +3

    I know this is older, but at least now, Tesla has a slip start option for winter driving. 😉 The Tesla is clearly limiting power to prevent slip in this video.

  • @t3dd18
    @t3dd18 Рік тому

    Amazing video, I don't think I have ever seen you with a bigger smile while doing a test, ever :D. I am happy you enjoyed the Torsen in snow!

  • @davedave1398
    @davedave1398 Рік тому +5

    did you turn on slip start on the Tesla?

  • @webomatic44
    @webomatic44 Рік тому +1

    I'm very pleased that you are rolling on the P Zero Winters. There's almost no information or reviews out there on this tire. I almost throw them on my Audi this year, but I'm still waiting to see either more reviews or more tests from those using them daily.

  • @witreks
    @witreks Рік тому +3

    Great video as always and thank you for making this content (tyre reviews/comparisons), these videos helped me decide on tyres and have confidence I'm driving my family on safest tyres possible. (but when alone also knowing that when I push the car out of grip it's because of me, not the tyres. :)
    But something completely off topic, looking at this thumbnail is the first time it struck me how big the model 3 actually is. It looks so small on its own but it's the same size as an A4, never noticed that.

  • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
    @4x4.tests.on.rollers Рік тому

    Quattro Ultra is not haldex system. Both use clutch packs to power rear wheels but systems are different.

  • @rossishima
    @rossishima Рік тому +5

    Nice to see how the Tesla performs full tilt in the snow, something I will never do---chicken. I can vouch how safe the Tesla M3P performs in the worse wintery conditions. For a family hauler, probably one of the safest vehicle to be in. Excellent nanny on board, never had traction issues and always keep you strairght...and this is on UHP all season tires.

  • @kruemelfelix
    @kruemelfelix Рік тому +2

    Why haven't you used the actual slip start option in the Tesla which is meant for snow?!
    Using track mode isn't the same, actually it's far away from the same.

  • @GeneralKato
    @GeneralKato Рік тому +5

    I didn’t even care for the comparison. I care not for EV’s. Just wanted to see that awesome RS4 have fun in the snow for nearly 20 minutes! It’s even in my fav colour!

  • @sigabiz
    @sigabiz 13 днів тому +1

    Dude @tyrereviews you're at 25% battery on the M3P... Way less than ideal for performance. Try again at 80%> SOC for better results.

    • @PiOfficial
      @PiOfficial 7 днів тому

      Makes zero difference on snow. Won’t be ever using even half of its HP

  • @TC-V8
    @TC-V8 Рік тому +4

    Proper Quattro is a mechanical permanent AWD system, you are the first person i have heard mentions the benefits of having all 4 wheels mechanically linked, feeling very consistent and planted. On demand systems haldex/xdrive etc which use a clutch revert to one driven axle when engine braking and can't give the same consistency- not to mention they can over heat.

    • @connorleyland8695
      @connorleyland8695 Рік тому +1

      Its called a torsen quattro system

    • @Traumatree
      @Traumatree Рік тому +1

      That's why Subaru AWD is top.

    • @connorleyland8695
      @connorleyland8695 Рік тому

      @@Traumatree not even close

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers Рік тому

      Both companies are using mechanical awd systems and the ones based on clutch packs. But if you look at the top of the top system made by each company - Audi has never ever made as sophisticated system as Subaru DCCD (or Mitsubishi S-AWC from Evo).

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers Рік тому +1

      ​@@connorleyland8695There's much more than torsen.

  • @dannyn3371
    @dannyn3371 Рік тому +1

    Does anyone know the name of the wheels on the Tesla Model 3?

  • @JohnSmith-ym3zq
    @JohnSmith-ym3zq Рік тому +9

    Hey Jon, I wonder compared to the Audi, if you would like the BMW X-drive even more, with apparently a slightly more rear bias than Quattro!? Maybe you could conveniently coincidentally try that comparison in snow handling one day👍

    • @veke1069
      @veke1069 Рік тому +1

      He has made a full xDrive vs Quattro test

    • @Uberkeko.
      @Uberkeko. Рік тому

      Quattro is more forgiving than x-drive, I would love to test a subaru

  • @romantsyganov427
    @romantsyganov427 Рік тому

    I would love to see a extreme winter tire review specifically Michelin Xice vs Bridgestone blizzak dmv-2 on ice and snow

  • @LearningFast
    @LearningFast Рік тому +6

    Great video! I really enjoyed seeing how impressive they both were in the snow. The Audi is simply an incredible driving machine. However, it costs a lot too. You can get a Tesla Model 3 Performance for $41K after tax credits in the US right now. You can't buy an Audi RS4 here but if you could it would be at least double that. Also, If you navigate to a SuperCharger with the Tesla it can add as much as 100 HP by heating the battery especially in colder temps like that. It probably wouldn't have made a huge difference in the snow but if you ever test a Tesla Model 3 Performance in the dry for straight line acceleration you simply must heat the battery first. It isn't a reasonable comparison otherwise.

    • @marcOSSNL
      @marcOSSNL Рік тому

      If you're using the car properly in track mode, the battery will heat up pretty quickly. It needs cooling rather than heating, and that is exactly what it does.

    • @LearningFast
      @LearningFast Рік тому +1

      @@marcOSSNL for straight line acceleration testing it won’t heat the battery quickly enough especially if it is cold out. For road course testing you would be correct. However, for straight line testing like they did in this video Track Mode will make the car MUCH slower on dry surfaces.

    • @tyrereviews
      @tyrereviews  Рік тому +2

      No doubting the Model 3 Perf is INSANE value

  • @DashCamSerbia
    @DashCamSerbia Рік тому +2

    I wanted these tyres for my 159, but Pirelli does't make them in 17'' sizes. :(

  • @huseyinakyol48
    @huseyinakyol48 Рік тому +5

    Quattro power 💪

  • @VincentDP
    @VincentDP Рік тому

    Woohoo!! What a great, fun video! Well done.

  • @bkucinschi
    @bkucinschi Рік тому +3

    I'll have the Audi, thank you. I love a warm engine when I'm surrounded by snow. A couple of gasoline jerrycans in the trunk are great to have for peace of mind... always carry a 5 gallon steel jerrycan when planning a trip in the winter and may get stuck in a snowstorm.

    • @RemoteSpeed007
      @RemoteSpeed007 Рік тому +1

      Except you need approx 6x the amount of energy on the ICE compared to the Tesla.

    • @doaudi1720
      @doaudi1720 Рік тому

      ​@RemoteSpeed007 your wrong enjoy the diesel Generator charge and african children slave labour that supplied you minerals for the first of 3 batteries you buy

  • @thebrowns5337
    @thebrowns5337 Рік тому +2

    Loved this! Looked so much fun.Two great cars, even if the Tesla is a bit sterile (altough most drivers need the car to look after them on snow/ice more than they care to admit).

  • @voldar70
    @voldar70 Рік тому +7

    Great test. Nice video.
    What I learned from the video : with all systems ON, as usually a car is driven, Tesla wins in Stop&Go. It also wins in braking distance on snow by 2 m. The two are what does matter in a normal usage of the car during winter/snowy roads. Not bad for a car made by nerds who 10 years ago didn't know how a car works and not by an OEM who does 4WD for decades.

  • @XeclipseXZ
    @XeclipseXZ Рік тому

    Superb video! I have an A5 45tfsi Quattro fitted with 19” Continental DWS06 Plus but was wondering if I should buy a dedicated winter tire. Can you do a comparison of P Zero Winter vs P Zero All weather/season or DWS06 Plus?

  • @paulf3353
    @paulf3353 Рік тому +11

    I think you should have tried track mode on model 3, would be interesting on traction test

    • @tyrereviews
      @tyrereviews  Рік тому +8

      Track mode was enabled whenever the systems were off.

    • @erdnussflip3439
      @erdnussflip3439 Рік тому

      In Teslas you can't turn off the traction control completely even with Track Mode, that's why Audi wins easy the drag race with TC off.

  • @TiberiuBlue
    @TiberiuBlue 9 місяців тому +1

    Very close results, but with price difference I consider that Tesla is the winner by far! Great video! 👍

  • @exif6839
    @exif6839 Рік тому +11

    Wait till there is -30 C and then compare this cars again 😂

    • @tabletsardar9366
      @tabletsardar9366 Рік тому +2

      Where do you live?

    • @AndiGry
      @AndiGry 17 днів тому +1

      Right, the RS4 won't start, that's going to be a problem

  • @alpenfoxvideo7255
    @alpenfoxvideo7255 Рік тому +1

    So is this tire actually good for real world alps driving where most of the time it's just wet? I have Continentals on and i'm not really happy, also i did torn off some pieces of thread doing accelerations

  • @Alicia-lk9mq
    @Alicia-lk9mq Рік тому +3

    Beatiful Audi!

  • @dennisnl7125
    @dennisnl7125 Місяць тому

    Even my 2019m3 LR AWD has a snow mode to get away... did they use it?????

  • @12357Dany
    @12357Dany Рік тому +4

    Rs4👍

  • @stalfan74
    @stalfan74 Рік тому

    Hello, Why You don't do P0 WINTER test for tyre? You always missed them.

  • @lucasilvestriX
    @lucasilvestriX Рік тому +12

    Rs4!!!❤

  • @Lbeastieboy
    @Lbeastieboy 9 місяців тому

    What are the rims on the Audi please?
    Looks really good.

  • @St_An_80
    @St_An_80 Рік тому +3

    quattro ultra is not haldex ...

  • @JustinsSoapbox
    @JustinsSoapbox Рік тому +1

    15:45 - Doesn't the Model 3 Performance have a much more favorable weight distribution and lower CoG, and wouldn't those allow it to make better use of its rear tires under braking? I'd imagine that'd be a much bigger factor than ABS differences. I also have a hard time imagining Tesla has better ABS than Audi...
    Either way, thanks for this video!

    • @robertwillis4061
      @robertwillis4061 Рік тому

      Does Audi have the ability to turn off the ABS? I know that some Quattro models built for certain climates has function. It is claimed to reduce the stooping distance on fresh or soft snow, as the locked wheel creates a wedge of snow that slows the vehicle quicker than if it rolled over the snow

    • @TC-V8
      @TC-V8 Рік тому +1

      You don't get much weight transfer on very low mu surfaces so I wouldn't consider this a factor.

  • @JohnSmith-se5vo
    @JohnSmith-se5vo Рік тому +5

    Id take the awesome RS4 engine sound roar over the whisper quiet electric Tesla engine any day of the week.

    • @JAM_2024
      @JAM_2024 Рік тому +3

      The fake roar you hear on the inside sounds stupid

  • @BarryMakariou
    @BarryMakariou Рік тому +1

    I have the MYP the traction control is much better than my previous Macan GTS but you can really feel the rear weight bias in icy conditions very scary!

  • @iguanagoat799
    @iguanagoat799 Рік тому +10

    "few kilos heavier" - 220kg. Yep. Just a few.

    • @Divine_Serpent_Geh
      @Divine_Serpent_Geh Рік тому

      Haha exactly, stupid idiot assessments like that are why I hate lots of these journalistic reviews and tests. 220KG is two full fat grown men.

    • @swishyfeet
      @swishyfeet Рік тому +1

      The Tesla isn't anywhere near 220kg heavier though. Closer to 20kg heavier.

    • @inzMaruda
      @inzMaruda Місяць тому

      this is what I wanted also to mention. 220kg of difference. this is over 10% heavier than Audi.

  • @ranig2848
    @ranig2848 15 днів тому

    Please test again with the NEW Model 3 Performance that has been SIGNIFICANTLY upgraded.
    Also, how do they compare on price? How does the Audi compare in price to the Model S Plaid?

  • @ginthi9814
    @ginthi9814 Рік тому +3

    Whats this strange noise of the grey car?!?

  • @PlamenMitev
    @PlamenMitev Рік тому

    Would you be so kind to make a video about tyres for hybrid cars? Summer tyres, winter tyres and my favourite All-season tyres. Many thanks.

  • @kristijan933
    @kristijan933 Рік тому +9

    Id take ANY Audi over ANY Tesla ANY day

    • @Tommyownzz
      @Tommyownzz 7 місяців тому +2

      obsolete tech.. do you also use flip phone? 😂

  • @calvorota74
    @calvorota74 3 місяці тому

    Did you tried the Tesla with traction control off. Because looks like you did it always with tracctionncontrol on. Is not related with the track mode on

  • @pacolicious
    @pacolicious Рік тому +5

    I prefer engine sound. The Audi sounds great

    • @xIcarus227
      @xIcarus227 Рік тому

      Sadly, it sounds like that because there's lots of fake speaker noise inside the cabin. That V6 sounds like a vacuum cleaner with all the OPF filterage and noise regs.

  • @a4allroad841
    @a4allroad841 4 місяці тому

    Thank you for this great on snow test. My 2 favorite cars

  • @maxedww
    @maxedww Рік тому +7

    If the Audi broke down I'd still choose it over the teslaaaaaas.

  • @liimatankari
    @liimatankari Рік тому

    Did you test with slip mode? I think that is made for slippery weather.

  • @thecount1001
    @thecount1001 Рік тому +11

    the Audi is gorgeous.

    • @wolfgangbarrio5043
      @wolfgangbarrio5043 Рік тому +2

      Sure does. That white thing looks like a piece of white bread on wheels

    • @stayphun6188
      @stayphun6188 Місяць тому

      ​@@wolfgangbarrio5043As if the Audi looks any better 🤣🤣🤣

    • @wolfgangbarrio5043
      @wolfgangbarrio5043 Місяць тому

      @@stayphun6188 tf you mean, rs4 looks sexy af

    • @stayphun6188
      @stayphun6188 Місяць тому

      @@wolfgangbarrio5043 It's basically german baroque, looks boring and outdated.

    • @wolfgangbarrio5043
      @wolfgangbarrio5043 Місяць тому

      @@stayphun6188 Looks like a great performance sedan, aggressive and still subtle. While the Tesla looks like a bloated Dodge Dart. Trash lmfaooo

  • @sszhao11
    @sszhao11 Рік тому

    I installed a APR throttle controller. It is the best thing for traction management. In low grip surfaces. You need slower rate increase speed. Not a sudden increase in torque that breaks traction. Throttle controller can slowly smoothly apply small increase throttle. (Adjustable) That does not break the traction. I set acceleration slope 50% for rain and 30% for snow. And can essentially apply perceived full throttle and let the controller slowly ramp up speed

    • @user-rs1fo2dd9b
      @user-rs1fo2dd9b 11 місяців тому

      whos APR? they make aftermarket tesla components?

  • @fmakatr
    @fmakatr Рік тому +4

    audi

  • @LionRunner
    @LionRunner Рік тому +2

    Absolutely fantastic video. I love to see a similar test with similar weight and tires 4WD (in 4H or center diff lock) vs AWD. Love to see someone else test what O'Neil Rally School tested sometime back. Can 4WD still keep up with newer AWD on winter braking, may be prooving O'Neil Rally School wrong. I quote O'Neil Rally School "When you're in 4WD, the front and rear axles are mechanically linked by the driveshafts and transfer case. The front and rear will turn at the same speed, regardless of whether you're on the gas, coasting, or on the brakes. Your brakes send 70% pressure to the front and 30% to the rear, but in 4WD the front and rear axles are connected so you end up with 50-50 brakes front and rear. This is much better on snow and ice."

    • @tyrereviews
      @tyrereviews  Рік тому +3

      What cars could I use. RW4 / M3 X-Drive for sure, but what's similar with a proper AWD system

    • @LionRunner
      @LionRunner Рік тому +1

      @@tyrereviews I think something like Ford Bronco v6 part time 4WD vs Mazda CX9 inline 6 AWD would be a close match, both weighing around 4500lbs. Both rear wheel biased, Mazda send power to front and Bronco in 4H will have 50:50 split. Maybe can use 265/60R18 vs 265/70R17 tires on CX9 and Bronco Or Toyota Highlander Limited AWD vs 4Runner Limited 4WD. Both around 4500lbs and both can have 245/55R19 vs 245/60R20 tires. But Highlander is frond wheel biased vs 4Runner Limited is rear wheel biased, but when center diff locked it is 50:50 like a part time 4wd in 4H. Just some suggestions as a viewer, not an expert like you sir.

    • @TC-V8
      @TC-V8 Рік тому +1

      Full size landrovers/Rangerover/Defended/Discovery are AWD and also can be locked 4WD and also can have mechanical locking rear dif.

    • @LionRunner
      @LionRunner Рік тому

      @@TC-V8 they are not AWD right? Fulltime 4WD with a mechanical center diff, always connected vs electromagnetic clutch or viscous coupling AWD vehicles have.

    • @tyrereviews
      @tyrereviews  Рік тому +1

      @@LionRunner thanks! I'll look into them further:)

  • @20vtechnik
    @20vtechnik Рік тому +7

    I'd take the RS4 everytime.

    • @gaycha6589
      @gaycha6589 Рік тому +4

      Me too. A fast car over a fast appliance any day. Factor in built quality, fit and finish and Audi has my vote.

    • @Sn0ws519
      @Sn0ws519 Рік тому

      Same. I'm happy with my S5 and it's an absolute beast in the winter but the RS models are just next level. Audi really needs to bring the RS4 to North America. We need more performance wagons here!

    • @20vtechnik
      @20vtechnik Рік тому

      ​@@plop31
      Not sure where you get your monetary stats from but you are objectively wrong.
      Look, these are just cars.
      Who cares in the long run?
      The RS4 is better in this test (besides braking).
      If you like the Tesla, well, that's awesome.
      It's a great car.
      Some people (like me) would prefer the Audi.
      And again, who cares...
      The RS4 (competition) lists for roughly 87k (US) while the Tesla model 3 is around 55k (US).
      2023 models.
      Yep, the RS4 is more.
      But you get more and you can easily mod it for high power (unlike the Tesla).
      Tesla makes some really nice cars but currently ICE is where it's at in the long run.
      To each their own.
      I won't fault anyone for chosing a Tesla over an Audi.
      Make your choice and I'll make mine.
      Have a good day!

    • @20vtechnik
      @20vtechnik Рік тому

      ​@@plop31
      I quoted the price (around 55k)
      For a 23 model 3 (not long range and not performance because, well, thats even more money).
      Are you claiming the rs4 in this video is, absolutely positively a minimum of 165k?!
      Youre the one who said it was "3 times" the price...

    • @20vtechnik
      @20vtechnik Рік тому

      ​@@plop31
      If you want a model 3 performance go and get it.
      It's a fun car.
      I'll stick with ICE.
      I happen to think the Audi is a better choice.
      No hard feelings.
      It's just opinions.
      Pricing is not though.
      I hope we enjoy the drive.
      Regardless of what we drive.

  • @e.schafer6121
    @e.schafer6121 Рік тому

    Why haven't you done a simple brake perfomance test?

  • @AnonymousPerson-n1r
    @AnonymousPerson-n1r Рік тому +12

    You guys didn't turn off traction control in the Tesla for any of the launches

    • @tyrereviews
      @tyrereviews  Рік тому +12

      It was set in track mode with systems set to -10 (the lowest setting), what else did I miss?

    • @georgegalanis2245
      @georgegalanis2245 Рік тому +13

      ​@@tyrereviewsyou missed the fact that Tesla fan boys don't let silly things like the truth get in the way of their opinion 😂

    • @Bluecarrr
      @Bluecarrr Рік тому +1

      As far as I know traction control doesn’t improve acceleration in snow or off road

    • @christiang8000
      @christiang8000 Рік тому +1

      ​@tyrereviews The only other way to do it would be using Slip Start, which is Tesla's version of TC Off, track mode with -10 TC seems to just try and spin, but only when you turn the wheel. Doesn't mean it would've changed anything, this is just what I've noticed with playing around with track mode on mine.

    • @andrewskaterrr
      @andrewskaterrr Рік тому +2

      If you knew anything or LISTENED TO THE VIDEO you’d know there is no “off” on the Tesla. It goes to -10 but it’s still engaged. You can NOT turn it fully off.
      And yes I own a 2022 M3Perf

  • @jasontysoe138
    @jasontysoe138 Рік тому +2

    The cold would significantly affect the battery performance in the Tesla... loads of UA-cam videos on battery temperature and hp output difference in the Tesla 3 Performance

  • @henriklundstrom4543
    @henriklundstrom4543 8 днів тому

    Where was this filmed if i may ask?

  • @MichelBertrand
    @MichelBertrand Рік тому +12

    Audi exterior looks better.
    Audi interior is miles ahead of Tesla. I hate phones on wheels.
    Audi is *predictable* in the snow. I lost count on the number of times you clipped the snow bank. In the real world, you're in the ditch or you hit a car in the opposite lane.
    I always thought the Model 3 was a hatchback, until my neighbour showed me his - the opening of the boot is ridiculously small for a car with that shape.
    If I'm going skiing, I'm taking the Audi all day, every day. Easy access for skis in the back, predictable behavior in the snow, looks better, nicer place to sit.
    No contest.

    • @tyrereviews
      @tyrereviews  Рік тому +5

      Agreed on looks, but then the audi is almost twice the price so I would expect a better interior.

    • @swecreations
      @swecreations Рік тому +3

      The new refreshed Tesla M3 has a much better interior at the same price actually

    • @αισχοςντροπη
      @αισχοςντροπη Рік тому

      ​@@tyrereviews tesla's interior sucks :/

    • @Jo060
      @Jo060 9 місяців тому

      Who asked ? 🤣

    • @AJzilllaPro
      @AJzilllaPro 2 місяці тому

      @@αισχοςντροπηNo.