For those interested, the moment at the end of this clip from 4:35 is crucial. The result (whatever led to the result, we will never know), was that Philip was created in 1957 a Prince of the United Kingdom. His form of address became 'The Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh'. The Letters Patent creating him a Prince of the United Kingdom with the use of the definitive article 'The' also gave him precedence over his eldest son Charles Duke of Cornwall, the Heir to the Throne. And it was only until 1958 that Charles was granted the title Prince of Wales.
EXACLTY ! That was what was needed; ALSO: Mountbatten-Windsor (1960) Right now the only people who qualify (below) are Lady Louise and James, Earl of Wessex "In February 1960, the Queen issued an Order in Council declaring that Mountbatten-Windsor would be the surname of the couple's male-line descendants who are not styled as Royal Highness or titled as prince or princess.[69] [69] "No. 41948", The London Gazette (Supplement), 8 February 1960, p. 1003 Note, if you go to the Wikipedia article, the "No. 41948" is highlighted you can click on it and go directly to the notice I personally think it was wrong (although "legal" according to the law set out by George V.) that Andrew's two girls were named Princesses. They could have been elevated at a later date.
Charles was already "The Prince Charles" as a son of the monarch. The definite article doesn't impact the Order of Precedence. The Queen specifically changed the Order of Precedence to put Philip second only to her (she did that almost as soon as she became Queen five years before making him a prince, so his line here that is own son outranks him wasn't really true).
Truly one of my favorite scenes! How Claire perfectly shows so many mixed emotions (sadness, anger, frustration, resolve, tiredness etc...) with an overarching look of being deeply hurt and wounded by all that's happened...is true genius and will always amaze me!
Brilliant moment of Claire Foy as Queen Elizabeth, she shows a Lot of motions.... but Matt Smith as Phillip gives her the precise answer, and he gets a point. He was right. He was nothing in his marriage, nobody respects him without a royal title.
In his marriage, he was everything to her. In the monarchy he was the consort, like his MIL and Queen Mary. She should have pointed to Prince Albert who had to do similar evolving. His son also outrank him but he never let that stop him being his father.
Everyone keeps talking about the brilliance of the actors but I gotta hand the bravo to the director. I always remember this scene as pure genius The placement of the marital bed in the middle of the room (in the back might I add) and the couple split each on opposite side of the bed Having the conversation in room more suited for business Meanwhile the bedroom is portioned off but still very much in that space Screams volumes about the contents of the scene Adds dimension to the way the story of this scene is being portrayed.
Noticed bow they both talk such difficult matters of their marriage without name calling, insulting, shouting etc. its hard talk but with respect for each other
Philip was 100% right when he said the firm will only respect him with titles. He literally gave up everything when he married Elizabeth, and much more when she became Queen, and they still looked down on him. He loved the Navy, he lost that. He wanted his kids to have the Mountbatten name, he didn't get that. He lost his friend Mike (his fault though), he had no friends. Even when he got titles, they still saw him as a foreigner, man with a reviled past due to his bankrupt father, mentally disabled mother, and Nazi brothers in law. Literally no one respected him, except for Martin Charteris and those who succeeded him.
@@startracker5895 Lol....he was very well aware of the fact that he is getting married to future monarch. What was his expectations?? To get an entirely sponsored luxury lifestyle for nothing?? People are so entitled in their dumbness
The notion that the 8 year old son outranks his father may be fine for the nobility, but it is hardly workable for a well rounded family environment in which to raise the kids.
Charles would not pull rank on his father. He respected and I believe was scared of Phillip as well. As a child, it would have been a father and son relationship.
I believe her solution to this problem was to make him a Prince rather than just the Duke of Edinburgh. Because he was correct that his son, Prince Charles outranked him. So she fixed that and rightfully so.
He wasn't correct. The Queen moved him to the top of the Order of Precedence (after her) almost as soon as she became Queen. About five years before this scene is supposed to have taken place.
Becoming a prince of Great Britain answered the question of his foreigness and his allegiances, which was no small matter in Post WWII Europe, and more specifically, England, which still had the stench of Prince Edward and Wallace Simpson. Had things gone to plan under their watch, England might have been on the other side of history. These questions weren't small curiosities or tabloid fodder- they had real implications for the country.
The overall acting or the Crown is just excellent by all involved. I am learning so much by all the "comments" as well, to fill in the empty places of the English monarchy; their strengths, human weaknesses, bearable and unbearable traditions, and fair and unfair expectations of each other. In my limited understand of all things English. I have my two very Favorite Personages which I will miss always.....Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth and 'our" Princess Diana.
Prince Philip was right. For him to wield any power at court, within the nation and internationally, he needed to have a the HRH and the Title Prince. Even Prince Albert had that as Queen Victoria's husband. Philip at this point was just the Duke of Edinburgh. He needed to be able to protect not just himself but his wife, the Prince of Wales, his other children & all so he could defend The Whole Crown.
I don't know why he wasn't given HRH and Prince titles and styles from the beginning as he was born royalty (HRH) and born a Prince in his own right. I understand they made him to renounce those titles and his allegiance to Greece and Denmark, but honestly that should've been the only thing he should've had to renounce and cut ties with, not his birthrights of HRH and Prince.
@@kelseyk530 Beacuse those titles if he kept them ment the UK monarch had a claim to more thrones outside the UK which very expensive business trying to claim them again. Best of Renouncing them so the new Duke of Edinburgh can focus on living with his wife the Queen here and serving the UK public. Not claiming what had already been lost.
@@kelseyk530there's whisper that Prince Harry is considering becoming a U.S citizen. For that he will have to renounce everything. It's the Duke of Windsor all over again minus the Nazi ordeals. But I agree. I've only started watching the Crown, and Philip gave up everything to be with Elizabeth. Prince, Royal titles, career, his adopted surname Mountbatten, Clarence House which he made his and his family a home. I cried for him. I don't think Philip or Elizabeth thought that she would be Queen so soon and that's why he had such a hard time adjusting. Matt is doing an outstanding job of portraying Philip. I also agree that the Queen Mother was not very nice behind the scenes.
@@kelseyk530 From what I have read elsewhere, Philip's renunciation might not have been necessary because he was a descendant of the Electress Sophia of Hanover (anyone who has a claim to the British Crown is descended from her). He would have been subject to the Sophia Naturalization Act (automatic UK citizenship). George VI thought he had granted HRH status to Philip on his wedding day. Charles was elevated to Prince of Wales shortly after his mother succeeded--as a result, he outranked Philip. Elizabeth solved that by giving Philip precedence over all men (there are a few exemptions for the Prince of Wales).
@@kelseyk530 King George VI gave him a R.H. before the wedding. " *The day before the wedding, the King bestowed the style of Royal Highness on Philip* , and, on the morning of the wedding, 20 November 1947, he was made the Duke of Edinburgh, Earl of Merioneth, and Baron Greenwich of Greenwich in the County of London.[49] Consequently, being already a Knight of the Garter, between 19 and 20 November 1947, he bore the unusual style Lieutenant His Royal Highness Sir Philip Mountbatten and is so described in the letters patent of 20 November 1947.[49]" -- Wikipedia [49] "No. 38128", The London Gazette, 21 November 1947, pp. 5495-5496 (Philip, although baptized as an Eastern Orthodox Christian became an Anglican in October of 1947.)
I think Phillip was expecting to take over the role of the power behind the throne. Prince Albert practically ran the country for years, because Queen Victoria was constantly pregnant and thus wasn't in the public eye. She also didn't see her ministers while heavily pregnant, so Albert was her conduit to the outside world and ran things. With the help of her ministers. A man growing up in the time this happened would have expected to be the head of the family in private and more respected in Public.
Yes and the Queen Mother was the power behind the throne of her husband. She and Philip butted heads because they both wanted / expected to control Queen Elizabeth.
4:08 Her Majesty just asked Prince Phillip what it takes to make their marriage works and when he said respects, she says “when you’ve earned their respect.”
Yes he was right. Palace started respected him after he was placed a titled. The firm was never going to acknowledge him as important part of the queen’s personal life which will make her successful without him, without a title…
@@omi685 and Diana knew what Diana was getting into even though she was only 19. Both her mother and grandmother warned her about getting into the royal family. Diana ignored their warnings and wanted to become Princess of Wales. When anything went wrong Diana would just blame Charles. How convenient for "lady" Diana. Be it a grown man or a 19 year old there are certain institutions that you must go with because they won't go along with you! "Things" are already set up such as traditions, customs and norms. The Duke of Windsor, Wallis, Philip, Margaret, Diana, Fergie, Andrew, and all the others that "have their own minds" should think not twice but three times before they get into that special way of life at Buckingham Palace. I'm guessing that these "royal rebels" usually don't survive if they are going to be this self serving for their own egos and pride. Look at Harry and Me-gain or is it Me forfeit? 😮 Megan Markle once stated that she didn't want to be Cinderella - that was too boring - she wanted to be "a rebel princess". Megan didn't even make it that far - I think she made it to duchess. For the very few occasions she returned to England even the shallow Megan knew she was being put off to the side. Rebels think they will go down in history but in most cases they seem to just GO DOWN. And yet there is a small part of me that feels for them...
I really enjoyed the story as told in this production. It drew me deeply into their lives. One thing that struck me a bit humorously is that I didn't make the Dr. Who connection with Matt Smith until well after watching the film, and when I did finally make it, I laughed and laughed, thinking, damn, that was a good performance in this show, Matt!!! And I was a huge fan of Matt's Dr Who. Maybe my brain is melting. Age, ah, there you go.
For those that argue “He knew what he was getting into marrying the future monarch” quite frankly know nothing about British succession and the changeover of the name of the Royal house. If you all did even an ounce of research, you’d understand that it is customary for a reigning female monarch and her consort’s offspring to take the name of the father (consort), this is what happened when Queen Victoria married Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, while she was belonging to the house of Hanover, their children were all Saxe Coburg Gotha, including their descendants all the way to George V when in 1917 in a political maneuver, changed the German sounding name to Windsor (very English sounding) to avoid anti-German sentiment during the Great War. For all intents and purposes, technically speaking the current British Royal Family is the House of Mountbatten (and even that is an anglicized version of Battenberg, changed for reasons identical to the Windsors) “doing-business-as” the Windsors. If you wanted to be even more technical, Prince Phillip (Queen Elizabeth II’s consort) original surname was Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg, before he adopted the anglicized adaption of his Uncle’s name Mountbatten; in a uncompromising world, this would technically be the house name of the current British Royal Family. Long live King Charles III of Glücksburg!
Elizabeth decreed that the family name was to be Windsor. The option of Mountbatten-Windsor was also given. IIRC, Anne signed the marriage registry for her first marriage with that.
What's stupid in my mind is that Phillip wasnt a nobody, his mother was the granddaughter of Queen Victoria. He and Elizabeth II were third cousins. While he was not in the immediate line of succession even before he married his wife, he was still of royal blood. If anything their marriage was something their ancestors would have encouraged during the medieval period. It was common to marry off the siblings of the heir to the throne to other monarchs' heirs, this would result in their heirs being cousins, allowing for political alliances, and future princes and princesses could marry and merge the monarchies back into a singular bloodline.
But he gave up all those titles to mary her. At this point, he was just the Queens husband. In a time when men were expected to be in charge, he was just a husband.
@@95DarkFire But the fact was that the Greeks were oushing out their monarchy. Prince Phillip's marriage to the Queen enabled him, with Lord Mountbatten's aid, to remain living in the royal lifestyle.
@@95DarkFire Yes but it doesn't mean he has to shut up and not complain. Theirs was still a MARRIAGE and those moustachoes Philip was talking about forgets it. Victoria and Albert also had that problem but she gave him something to do and Albert once looked down upon became respected. Elizabeth here wasn't yet ready to compromise as a wife. Philip gave up a LOT.
@@ReaverLordTonus Philip was in the line of succession. WAAY down the list (about 500 or so). This was because the family lines of all of Victoria's sons and her eldest daughter had to be extinct (Philip was descended from Victoria's second daughter, Alice. The Marquess of Milford Haven and Earl Mountbatten are also descended from Alice).
fear of getting proved wrong or judged by masses . is prison he is got that right . unless you can come up with idea where masses are always blaming each other . so rulers can feel free of loosing control of subjects .
Prince Phillip should not have been required to scuttle his Greek & Danish titles as the price of admission. He should have been granted British-based titles upon his marriage to Princess Elizabeth & others, as she became Queen. The erasure of his history is something that led to his frustration & discomfort within the framework of their marriage. Too bad this is all a moot point. These changes needed to have been made whilst they were in the prime of their Royal lives. It is frustrating to learn that so much of what they both were responding to was the frozen atmosphere that they unintentionally were maintaining.
It doesn't mean he has to be treated with disdain by The Firm. He and Prince Albert had that problem. Both foreigners, married regnant queens and had little power. Queen Victoria at the least gave Albert the run of the palace just to keep him busy and he did a good enough job. What did Philip have? Not much. No Greek & Danish title, gave up citizenship, gave up navy career. He couldn't even give his own children his name. She eventually remedied that after Churchill died. Sometimes in a marriage you have to compromise. Queen Victoria did that with Albert. Elizabeth II did the same with Prince Philip.
He knew he would never be king. His mother had been born in Windsor castle. Bith he and Queen wrre great, great grandchildren of Victoria and Albert so they knew the rules.
The "exit route" not being open is actually something I believe to be very helpful for a succesful marriage. If that is the case, both spouses will be motivated to address their problems in a constructive way, and put all their energy into making the relationship work (instead of spending it on pondering "should I maybe leave"). So you're not just staying together with gritted teeth for the sake of your kids or appearances or whatever, but you can actually overcome the problems and have a good marriage. (Yes I am catholic, and no, I don't think you should stay with an abusive spouse, but most of the time that is not the case and I do think that generally speaking people nowadays throw in the towel too easily.)
Divorce is what should be the final solution, when it is 100% sure that the marriage is hopeless ala Charles and Diana. When cheating, abuse and related happens is when divorce is the clear answer.
What? No. Marriage is a prison when there is no love, respect, care and intimacy. Add abuse of all kinds and marriage is a dangerous situation one can find themselves in. Plenty women killed by their partners. It all starts with psychological abuse that is downplayed by society and ends with her being reduced to a coffin precisely because divorce was hard to obtain or she was dependent on him financially etc. And no, abuse isn't smth rare. It's everywhere, with both men and women indulging in it behind closed doors, towards their partners and children. I am one of those children, I barely made it out alive. It's very common but you don't see it because it's hidden. My own parents were generally nice to me in front of other people, they kept the appearance of decent people and loving parents, but once we were alone, behind closed doors, they would beat me, starve me, deprive me of sleep, humiliate me, insult me, refuse to buy me basic clothes, food or hygiene products, refused to provide heat in the winter, criticised me for things out of my control, I got punched for eating an yogurt, just abhorrent behaviour that could have been partially fixed with a divorce since my father is a textbook narcopath and my mother was continuously depressed, confused, angry and fearful and she took it out on me. But everyone advised her against divorce and the abuse continued unbothered until I hit 30. Cause yea, that's how long it took me to escape that prison and gain a bit of independence. Trust me, when you live in that hell, you understand why divorce should always be an option, a very accessible and easy option. It's better to have high rates of divorce than to have high rates of unchecked domestic abuse that leads to mental illnesses and physical damage or worse. Kids are less traumatised by divorce than by living in a violent and emotionally damaging household. Yeah, in theory, marriage should be for life, it's a beautiful ideal, but forcing people to stay in a situation that isn't right for them, in the name of that ideal, is just downright evil.
I don't understand how Elisabeth ever could be stupid enough to think a parent being outranked by a child made sense. Like Queens is higher than the Prince even when they aren't a monarch.
This scene shows the intolerable price normal adults pay as they are forced to fit into an intolerable role. Normal needs are warped. The Queen's initial incomprehension of Philip"s frustrations of being stuck in a prison illustrates how disconnected from normal humanity their lives are.
Queen Victoria gave Albert a dukedom as soon as they married. I don’t know why Philip wasn’t given that title when the Queen was first crowned. Seems like the Queen wasn’t fussed about Philips role in the family.
Elizabeth’s father created Philip Duke of Edinburgh before their marriage, but he wasn’t HRH The Prince. Even with that, he was still out ranked by his own children from the moment they were born. Such is the nature of being a consort to monarchy.
Prince Albert didn't have a dukedom, he didn't need it since he didn't gave up to his royal titles. Philip gave up to them because, after WW2, the only way to make British people accept him as royal consort was to take British citizienship. Changing citizienship make him loose his royal titles of Greece and Denmark. King George make Philip duke in order to don't have a son-in-law that had to be styled ad Mr., that would be to low for the future royal consort
Lots of errors and misinformation in this thread, not helped by the OPs incorrect opening comment. When Philip married The Princess Elizabeth in 1947, King George VI granted Philip three peerage titles Duke of Edinburgh, Earl of Merioneth and Baron Greenwich. He was also given the Knighthood of the Garter and also the form of address HRH. However the HRH did not make Philip a Prince of the United Kingdom. Normally, the two go together, but both HRH and Prince of the United Kingdom can be held separately, according to the Letters Patent in their creation. It was not until 1957 that the Queen finally granted Philip the title Prince of the United Kingdom. At the time of the grant of this title, it was made clear that Philip should be given precedence over his eldest son Charles, who was Heir Apparent to the Throne. I hope that clears everything up.
The Crown (the show) implies heavily that Elizabeth true love was Porchey, not Phillip. The "institution" made the impossible to make appearances and show Elizabeth and Phillip as the perfect couple, love at first sight yadda yadda, but at least for me, it's clear it was an arranged marriage like every other on those years and this scene reafirms that. Phillip is really uncomfortable and Elizabeth is only trying to do her job, making the "institution" work. Also IRL there were lots (not a few, lots) of rumours about Phillip cheating her.
I don't think the show emplies that Elizabeth's true love is Porchey. In one scene, she says that she only loved Philip. I think the series intends to show that no marriage is perfect, indeed Elizabeth and Philip have to make a compromise to go on together. In the real life, Elizabeth's parents and establishment have their own candidates as future son-in-law. One of this was Porchey. He came from one of the most prominent British families and, at that time, a British candidate was preferred. Philip, instead, was the candidate of lord Mountbatten. The last one was related to the royal family, but was to close to Edward VIII (until the abdication) and considered to be a schemer. For this reasons we was not so popular in the royal establishment, but he had still power as distant relative of the royal family. He organized the meeting between his nephew and Elizabeth. She falled in love with the charming young officer, Philip understant the opportunity of this union. The King and the Queen were not very happy about the candidate, but since he had the right pedigree and they saw their daughter happy, they didn't oppose. So, I think Elizabeth was clearly in love, instead Philip could have develope affection for her (we can't know).
But didn't elizabeth have to push for marriage to Philip. She had to dig in her heels and push when the 'institution' and her father were rather displeased with her choice.
That doesn't make a lot of sense. Why would they have arranged a marriage to Philipp? The show makes it quite clear that everybody would have preferred her marrying Porchey or some other British noble, and that she had to push to be allowed to marry him.
It wasn't an arranged marriage. She was smitten with him since she first saw him. She was 13 and he was 18. Creepy, yes, but not necessarily for those times. They exchanged letters. Her family didn't want him. He was of royal blood, yes, but he had no influence in Europe or Greece, no fortune, no lands, nothing but good looks and a title which was worth nothing. Remember these people intermarry to keep influence and fortune within their families. There was no reason for a future Queen of the Commonwealth to marry someone with no wealth or political power and whose family had ties with the n a z i e s. She could have very well married Porchie, even if he wasn't royal. Her father also married a non-royal woman, the Queen Mother.
Philip was more royal than his wife, his parents were both royals, he came from 2 royal families, one of them older than the Windsors, the Oldenburgs have been royal for centuries longer than the Windsors or the Hanoverians.
...and none of that mattered, because he was not on sovereign soil. He was in the UK, a country that had its own monarch. It'd be the same if he stepped on to China or Japan - it doesnt matter how many titles he has or if he could trace his lineage back to William the Conqueror, in another country with its own government and sovereign, he aint shit.
He also renounced his titles as part of the deal when he married Elizabeth, so his Greek and Danish royalty really didn't much matter. Both were rather hollow titles to renounce. His family was forced into exile by a military coup in 1922 that forced his uncle, King Constantine I, to abdicate. The family fled on a British warship while Philip was less than two years old, and the family spent most of their time in exile in Paris; although Philip was also lived with relatives in London and was educatedin England and Germany. His cousin, Constantine's son, George II, briefly took the throne until he, too, was deposed less than two years later. Greece went through years of political instability, which one could argue continues to this day given its economic instability, but it remains a republic, having abolished the monarchy in 1973. Even discounting his uncle's abdication and his cousin's deposition in 1924 and again in 1946, Philip was not directly in line for the throne. He was a member of a cadet branch, if you will, of the Greek royal family, falling behind his uncle and cousins in the line of succession. This is equivalent to saying that, while Elizabeth II was still alive, the children of Anne, Andrew, and Edward were royals. (I use that generation as an example rather than present day because the situation with Prince Harry is so messy. Are he and his children still in the line of succession? Probably, but I don't care to die on that hill.) Yes, they are/were royals, but none had any reasonable expectation of inheriting the throne because they were all cadet branches of the family with Charles, his children, and his children's children all having a claim prior to them. My point to that whole rambling mess is that he was "closer" to the British throne than he ever was to the Greek or Danish thrones, but he was never in the line of succession for either except for a few brief months after he was born. If one can call that a point. Perhaps it's just an alternate point of view to contrast with the OP.
I’d have all the sympathy in the world for him if it weren’t for the affairs. That’s the one thing that invalidates every point he’s making. If he wants to be treated like the husband of the Queen he better ACT like the husband of the Queen and that includes honoring his marriage vows. (Saying this purely in reference to the characters on the show, not the real people they’re based on, whom I know very little about)
If you are aware this is a work of fiction, then why the lack of sympathy? In regards to affairs there's no actual credible evidence Philip cheated on Elizabeth. He might have flirted and had some chit chat with the ladies beyond that is unknown. One thing is clear he was devoted to his wife.
I think most couples go through a phase of restlessness. Divorce should only be on the table if someone has actually done something wrong. Neither did as far as we know.
I don’t think they were ever close to divorce. Sure, this was a rough spot, but as head of the Church of England, and a devout Christian, the queen would never have divorced her husband.
@@davidcaudill7779And destroyed his wife, the monarchy, the patrimony for his children? To do what??? He had lived the horror of losing a throne on Greece and being impoverished. Who would do that to his own children? Prince Albert had similar problems fitting into Victoria's court.
I very much doubt they ever reached that point. This isn’t a historically accurate documentary. This is a television drama. And it’s a great drama. It’s great television. But in order to achieve great drama there has to be conflict. The scene that follows this is the one in which Philip is made a prince. The Crown makes it seem that Philip forced Elizabeth to give him that title. In reality, once Churchill was out of office, she asked the cabinet for guidance on how to increase Philip’s title. He ultimately received the promotion in the same time frame as depicted in the show, but according to records, it was Elizabeth who pushed it while Philip tried to decline. His private secretary did get a divorce but there wasn’t a big scandal around it as both Elizabeth and Philip publicly supported both Mike and his wife. So it seems unlikely that a conversation like this ever took place in reality. But it does make for great TV.
@ Thanks, I don’t think they are on a train. The room is too large for any train. I believe now that they are on a ship. Look at the windows. They are oval in shape.
Philip had to give up his career as a naval officer, his children took his wife’s surname rather than his, he had to publicly kneel before his wife, he had to turn his back on his best friend, he had to give up his place in the Thursday Club, and he had to constantly be reminded by the firm that he was an outside who didn’t belong. For a man as proud as Philip, all of those were like emotional torture.
@@lindaWalters-n1i I suggest you watch the show again. The firm and the Queen made Philip do a lot of things he didn’t want to do. At one point, Churchill tried to make Elizabeth force Philip to give up his flying lessons, which was only allowed due to Churchill having the fog crisis to deal with. If you’re using the “nobody forced him to marry her” logic, then yes, nobody forced him. But everything that came after that was out of his control.
@@markrobinson9394 get out your history books and maybe sort out the fact from fiction or even read the news papers I see he’s being linked to Christine Keeler and Mandy Rice Davies just last week 🤔
The character of Prince Philip in these "early years" always strikes me as an unlikeable character. Always giving Elizabeth these near side-eye observations, behaving like a contemptuous young adult who disdains having to play second fiddle, etc. Unlike how the older "versions" of Philip are portrayed in the Crown, Matt Smith's version is a constant brooding distraction to most scenes.
And this scene is when the last ounce of respect for Phillip went right down the drain for me! He's horribly verbally abusive to her, blames her for everything, and has zero insight into how his awful behaviors are deeply hurting her and his family.
It’s because they are talking around 3 facts: 1) Phillip resents fulfilling the role of “the Wife” in their relationship 2) Phillip regularly cheats on her 3) They both know that
@@Mourtzouphlos240 You're completely right and great point! Instead of talking directly about the cheating which needed to happen...she skirted around it. Although that changed big time in the last episode of season 2...
@@Mourtzouphlos240There's no actual credible proof he cheated on her and no one has come out to verify it. This is a TV drama even if Philip had cheated he was very discreet about it.
Would you be happy in Philip's place? He gave up a lot to be with Elizabeth. He gave up his Greek & Danish titles, he gave up his navy career, he gave up his name and citizenship, their Clarence House abode, he was snidely put down because he the "Hun," married the princess. Odd considering the current Royal Family including Elizabeth herself is a descendant of Sophia of Hanover a German. Philip was never going to be respected til he got a title. Try looking at his POV. Even Prince Albert had his fair share of frustrations being a consort early on. Also remember this is a drama made for TV i.e entertainment.
Philip was absolutely right. I will always respect what a great man he was, and admire what he had to put up with both from his immediately family and a Royal family that was often suspicious of him.
I’m sorry but Elizabeth has no right to say and do things toward Phillip during this part of the season. Did Phillip sleep with others, cheating on her? Yes. I do not condone cheating no matter the reason. Do I understand his reason? Yes. Phillip gave up so much in order to be with her. She got Phillip with no cost to her but he had to basically give up everything to be with her. Great acting in this scene. Love it. Thanks for uploading.
@@omi685 even though this is a tv show, Yes. No one forced him to marry her. He knew there were a great bit of things he would sacrifice to marry her and the things agreed upon he did because he thought he would get some things out of their marriage. Here is something he believed was to happen during their marriage but got changed out from under him when she took the crown. He thought his children were going to take his name as most do in any marriage but that was taken away from him. He believed it to be arranged that his name for his children to have and that happened with most if not all rulers. And a King Consort to help in matters of state, etc like a great deal of King consorts do. But even that was nothing of a promise never delivered. Just a fancy title. Then to have everyone judge, look down upon him because he was not one of them. Who wouldn’t be pissed off about that? So that must have hit like a freight train to Phillip. All I am saying is that I understand why he feels the way he does. Do I encourage his behavior? Heck no. Do I understand why he feels the way he feels and why he did some of the things he did? Absolutely yes.
@@TheRealDeal92 You do understand that this is a TV series and it is dramatised for entertainment purposes, right? He was not a 'King' Consort, he was just the husband of the queen. He had no authority. His status was negotiated and agreed upon before they got married. The British monarch's powers are largely ceremonial, and they act on the advice of the government. Even if Elizabeth wanted to grant him more power, it would have been impossible without the government's approval. Did he marry her out of love or to obtain certain privileges like a common gold digger?
@@omi685Yes I am aware it is a tv show. I’m just saying that even for a man in a position like Philip’s is not normal. Yes, women did it all the time and still do which I’m not always a fan of it but it happens. For a Royal, it was definitely not normal. He knew there would be challenges and changes through their marriage especially when she would be Queen but everything he is as a person was being chopped away bit by bit over the years of her as Queen. He left his family lineage behind and he did give that up willingly. But for none of his children to take his family name, giving up his background, now the military has to be given up. And the fact that no matter what good he did, and to take care of her as her father told Philip, he would always be seen as a stranger on their land.
@@TheRealDeal92 The monarch of the UK represents the symbolic head of state. The role is largely ceremonial, with actual governance handled by elected officials. Elizabeth knew it. Philip knew it. The government decided Phillip's position before their wedding, and Phillip agreed to it. Phillip should have taken his grievances to the elected officials, those who are really running the country.
Such an insecure child!, well that's what we might think now but back in the day a white man was used to be the center of atention. It must have been so difficult for the queen to handle him and the country at the same time at such young age. I wonder if she fell out of love.
It wasn't in their case. I'm not a monarchist but you have to see that one of the functions of the Royal Family is to present a picture of the ideal stable family of Britain. Divorces are destabilizing. Moreover, the Queen's uncle abdicated to marry a divorced woman. This was still pretty raw within the family. QE2 is perfectly correct when she points out what a scandal a divorce of this particular royal couple would have caused.
No - not at that time. Remember what a stigma "divorced" was (Wallis Simpson). And the Queen's "no" to the marriage of Margaret and Townsend. And the emperor is the head of the Anglican Church and can't get divorced!
it was a different time..no divorce person wasn't even allowed to be invited to functions with Royalty attending...it was considered insulting to the Monarch......
She couldn't divorce!!! That would have meant her abdication in favour of her adulterer son. Divorce is not granted to Queens. Women in Christianity can't ask for a divorce.
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For those interested, the moment at the end of this clip from 4:35 is crucial. The result (whatever led to the result, we will never know), was that Philip was created in 1957 a Prince of the United Kingdom. His form of address became 'The Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh'. The Letters Patent creating him a Prince of the United Kingdom with the use of the definitive article 'The' also gave him precedence over his eldest son Charles Duke of Cornwall, the Heir to the Throne. And it was only until 1958 that Charles was granted the title Prince of Wales.
EXACLTY !
That was what was needed;
ALSO:
Mountbatten-Windsor (1960)
Right now the only people who qualify (below) are Lady Louise and James, Earl of Wessex
"In February 1960, the Queen issued an Order in Council declaring that Mountbatten-Windsor would
be the surname of the couple's male-line descendants who are not styled as Royal Highness or titled
as prince or princess.[69]
[69] "No. 41948", The London Gazette (Supplement), 8 February 1960, p. 1003
Note, if you go to the Wikipedia article, the "No. 41948" is highlighted you can click on it and go directly to the notice
I personally think it was wrong (although "legal" according to the law set out by George V.) that Andrew's two girls
were named Princesses. They could have been elevated at a later date.
Charles was already "The Prince Charles" as a son of the monarch. The definite article doesn't impact the Order of Precedence. The Queen specifically changed the Order of Precedence to put Philip second only to her (she did that almost as soon as she became Queen five years before making him a prince, so his line here that is own son outranks him wasn't really true).
@@thomasdalton1508 The Crown is fictional indeed
Truly one of my favorite scenes! How Claire perfectly shows so many mixed emotions (sadness, anger, frustration, resolve, tiredness etc...) with an overarching look of being deeply hurt and wounded by all that's happened...is true genius and will always amaze me!
Brits don't do this often with monarchs. But I believe the Queen will be Elizabeth, the Great some day. 🎉
Brilliant moment of Claire Foy as Queen Elizabeth, she shows a Lot of motions.... but Matt Smith as Phillip gives her the precise answer, and he gets a point. He was right. He was nothing in his marriage, nobody respects him without a royal title.
His role was to help create an heir to the throne... and that's it.
*emotions
In his marriage, he was everything to her. In the monarchy he was the consort, like his MIL and Queen Mary.
She should have pointed to Prince Albert who had to do similar evolving. His son also outrank him but he never let that stop him being his father.
Everyone keeps talking about the brilliance of the actors but I gotta hand the bravo to the director. I always remember this scene as pure genius
The placement of the marital bed in the middle of the room (in the back might I add) and the couple split each on opposite side of the bed
Having the conversation in room more suited for business
Meanwhile the bedroom is portioned off but still very much in that space
Screams volumes about the contents of the scene
Adds dimension to the way the story of this scene is being portrayed.
Noticed bow they both talk such difficult matters of their marriage without name calling, insulting, shouting etc. its hard talk but with respect for each other
It's not real
And very supressed emotions.
...its a scripted tv show....
They both know matters are too serious for tantrums.
@@ndantona92 We're aware, thanks.
Philip was 100% right when he said the firm will only respect him with titles. He literally gave up everything when he married Elizabeth, and much more when she became Queen, and they still looked down on him. He loved the Navy, he lost that. He wanted his kids to have the Mountbatten name, he didn't get that. He lost his friend Mike (his fault though), he had no friends. Even when he got titles, they still saw him as a foreigner, man with a reviled past due to his bankrupt father, mentally disabled mother, and Nazi brothers in law. Literally no one respected him, except for Martin Charteris and those who succeeded him.
What did he have that he 'gave up' . He was a scheming character less gold-digger. And those creatures don't get respect.
@@Aversiontostupidityhe gave up his career he loved. That’s a pretty big sacrifice to make
@@startracker5895 Lol....he was very well aware of the fact that he is getting married to future monarch. What was his expectations?? To get an entirely sponsored luxury lifestyle for nothing?? People are so entitled in their dumbness
@@Aversiontostupidity he didn’t realise the king would die so young. All the while the king was alive he could keep his naval career.
He gave up everything because he saw something better opportunity.
The notion that the 8 year old son outranks his father may be fine for the nobility, but it is hardly workable for a well rounded family environment in which to raise the kids.
Charles would not pull rank on his father. He respected and I believe was scared of Phillip as well. As a child, it would have been a father and son relationship.
@@andywood5699The point still remains … smh
You cannot predict what a child would do … that’s the reason why they are children …
Formal rank had nothing to do with family life. I think that aspect of it is greatly exagerated.
I'm sure the real prince Philip wasn't jealous of little Charles.
I believe her solution to this problem was to make him a Prince rather than just the Duke of Edinburgh. Because he was correct that his son, Prince Charles outranked him. So she fixed that and rightfully so.
He wasn't correct. The Queen moved him to the top of the Order of Precedence (after her) almost as soon as she became Queen. About five years before this scene is supposed to have taken place.
Prince Charles still outranked him. He was the heir apparent. Meanwhile Philip was just prince consort.
@@Ariana-wv4pf The order of precedence is whatever the monarch says it is. She had already put him second only to her so that's where he was.
@@Ariana-wv4pf Correct, but at least it gave him a bit of standing and therefore respect by the palace staff.
Becoming a prince of Great Britain answered the question of his foreigness and his allegiances, which was no small matter in Post WWII Europe, and more specifically, England, which still had the stench of Prince Edward and Wallace Simpson. Had things gone to plan under their watch, England might have been on the other side of history. These questions weren't small curiosities or tabloid fodder- they had real implications for the country.
The overall acting or the Crown is just excellent by all involved. I am learning so much by all the "comments" as well, to fill in the empty places of the English monarchy; their strengths, human weaknesses, bearable and unbearable traditions, and fair and unfair expectations of each other. In my limited understand of all things English. I have my two very Favorite Personages which I will miss always.....Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth and 'our" Princess Diana.
Prince Philip was right. For him to wield any power at court, within the nation and internationally, he needed to have a the HRH and the Title Prince. Even Prince Albert had that as Queen Victoria's husband. Philip at this point was just the Duke of Edinburgh. He needed to be able to protect not just himself but his wife, the Prince of Wales, his other children & all so he could defend The Whole Crown.
I don't know why he wasn't given HRH and Prince titles and styles from the beginning as he was born royalty (HRH) and born a Prince in his own right. I understand they made him to renounce those titles and his allegiance to Greece and Denmark, but honestly that should've been the only thing he should've had to renounce and cut ties with, not his birthrights of HRH and Prince.
@@kelseyk530 Beacuse those titles if he kept them ment the UK monarch had a claim to more thrones outside the UK which very expensive business trying to claim them again. Best of Renouncing them so the new Duke of Edinburgh can focus on living with his wife the Queen here and serving the UK public. Not claiming what had already been lost.
@@kelseyk530there's whisper that Prince Harry is considering becoming a U.S citizen. For that he will have to renounce everything. It's the Duke of Windsor all over again minus the Nazi ordeals. But I agree. I've only started watching the Crown, and Philip gave up everything to be with Elizabeth. Prince, Royal titles, career, his adopted surname Mountbatten, Clarence House which he made his and his family a home. I cried for him. I don't think Philip or Elizabeth thought that she would be Queen so soon and that's why he had such a hard time adjusting.
Matt is doing an outstanding job of portraying Philip.
I also agree that the Queen Mother was not very nice behind the scenes.
@@kelseyk530 From what I have read elsewhere, Philip's renunciation might not have been necessary because he was a descendant of the Electress Sophia of Hanover (anyone who has a claim to the British Crown is descended from her). He would have been subject to the Sophia Naturalization Act (automatic UK citizenship).
George VI thought he had granted HRH status to Philip on his wedding day. Charles was elevated to Prince of Wales shortly after his mother succeeded--as a result, he outranked Philip. Elizabeth solved that by giving Philip precedence over all men (there are a few exemptions for the Prince of Wales).
@@kelseyk530
King George VI gave him a R.H. before the wedding.
" *The day before the wedding, the King bestowed the style of Royal Highness on Philip* , and, on the morning of the wedding,
20 November 1947, he was made the Duke of Edinburgh, Earl of Merioneth, and Baron Greenwich of Greenwich in the County of London.[49] Consequently, being already a Knight of the Garter, between 19 and 20 November 1947, he bore the unusual style Lieutenant His Royal Highness Sir Philip Mountbatten and is so described in the letters patent of 20 November 1947.[49]" -- Wikipedia
[49] "No. 38128", The London Gazette, 21 November 1947, pp. 5495-5496
(Philip, although baptized as an Eastern Orthodox Christian became an Anglican in October of 1947.)
I think Phillip was expecting to take over the role of the power behind the throne. Prince Albert practically ran the country for years, because Queen Victoria was constantly pregnant and thus wasn't in the public eye. She also didn't see her ministers while heavily pregnant, so Albert was her conduit to the outside world and ran things. With the help of her ministers. A man growing up in the time this happened would have expected to be the head of the family in private and more respected in Public.
Yes and the Queen Mother was the power behind the throne of her husband. She and Philip butted heads because they both wanted / expected to control Queen Elizabeth.
4:08 Her Majesty just asked Prince Phillip what it takes to make their marriage works and when he said respects, she says “when you’ve earned their respect.”
"Your incessant complaining, whining and winging like a child " umm reminds me of someone else. 😅❤
Yes indeed
Yes-- Charles!
Yes. Charles!
Who? Diana?
Yes he was right. Palace started respected him after he was placed a titled. The firm was never going to acknowledge him as important part of the queen’s personal life which will make her successful without him, without a title…
She was the monarch, deal with it. He knew what he was getting into when married her.
@@omi685 and Diana knew what Diana was getting into even though she was only 19. Both her mother and grandmother warned her about getting into the royal family. Diana ignored their warnings and wanted to become Princess of Wales. When anything went wrong Diana would just blame Charles. How convenient for "lady" Diana. Be it a grown man or a 19 year old there are certain institutions that you must go with because they won't go along with you! "Things" are already set up such as traditions, customs and norms. The Duke of Windsor, Wallis, Philip, Margaret, Diana, Fergie, Andrew, and all the others that "have their own minds" should think not twice but three times before they get into that special way of life at Buckingham Palace. I'm guessing that these "royal rebels" usually don't survive if they are going to be this self serving for their own egos and pride. Look at Harry and Me-gain or is it Me forfeit? 😮 Megan Markle once stated that she didn't want to be Cinderella - that was too boring - she wanted to be "a rebel princess". Megan didn't even make it that far - I think she made it to duchess. For the very few occasions she returned to England even the shallow Megan knew she was being put off to the side. Rebels think they will go down in history but in most cases they seem to just GO DOWN. And yet there is a small part of me that feels for them...
@@omi685he was the Queen’s husband. He deserved at least some respect.
So bizarre. A title pulled out of thin air signifying nothing, now it suddenly makes him worthy of respect. Shows what a farce the whole thing is.
@@remycallie the kings were also mere titles at the early stages and yet they command respect. Words, Titles have power some ore than other.
I really enjoyed the story as told in this production. It drew me deeply into their lives. One thing that struck me a bit humorously is that I didn't make the Dr. Who connection with Matt Smith until well after watching the film, and when I did finally make it, I laughed and laughed, thinking, damn, that was a good performance in this show, Matt!!! And I was a huge fan of Matt's Dr Who. Maybe my brain is melting. Age, ah, there you go.
For those that argue “He knew what he was getting into marrying the future monarch” quite frankly know nothing about British succession and the changeover of the name of the Royal house. If you all did even an ounce of research, you’d understand that it is customary for a reigning female monarch and her consort’s offspring to take the name of the father (consort), this is what happened when Queen Victoria married Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, while she was belonging to the house of Hanover, their children were all Saxe Coburg Gotha, including their descendants all the way to George V when in 1917 in a political maneuver, changed the German sounding name to Windsor (very English sounding) to avoid anti-German sentiment during the Great War. For all intents and purposes, technically speaking the current British Royal Family is the House of Mountbatten (and even that is an anglicized version of Battenberg, changed for reasons identical to the Windsors) “doing-business-as” the Windsors. If you wanted to be even more technical, Prince Phillip (Queen Elizabeth II’s consort) original surname was Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg, before he adopted the anglicized adaption of his Uncle’s name Mountbatten; in a uncompromising world, this would technically be the house name of the current British Royal Family. Long live King Charles III of Glücksburg!
Elizabeth decreed that the family name was to be Windsor. The option of Mountbatten-Windsor was also given. IIRC, Anne signed the marriage registry for her first marriage with that.
It'd the name of the Danish royal family, the oldest in Europe.
How many marriages actually need that kind of resolve that Elizabeth said, "Divorce is not an option for us?"
Divorce should always be an option
@@DavisJ-ln6fw Otherwise you end up with Daemon Targaryen and his divorce rock
@@DavisJ-ln6fw80% divorce rate ? Oh yes…
@@Thelightningrodri
Yup which proves 80% of marriages don't work
@@Thelightningrodrinope. Barely 30% anywhere. Divorce is always good. Nobody should be forced to be with someone they don't love anymore.
What's stupid in my mind is that Phillip wasnt a nobody, his mother was the granddaughter of Queen Victoria. He and Elizabeth II were third cousins. While he was not in the immediate line of succession even before he married his wife, he was still of royal blood. If anything their marriage was something their ancestors would have encouraged during the medieval period. It was common to marry off the siblings of the heir to the throne to other monarchs' heirs, this would result in their heirs being cousins, allowing for political alliances, and future princes and princesses could marry and merge the monarchies back into a singular bloodline.
But he gave up all those titles to mary her. At this point, he was just the Queens husband. In a time when men were expected to be in charge, he was just a husband.
@@95DarkFire But the fact was that the Greeks were oushing out their monarchy. Prince Phillip's marriage to the Queen enabled him, with Lord Mountbatten's aid, to remain living in the royal lifestyle.
@@95DarkFire Yes but it doesn't mean he has to shut up and not complain. Theirs was still a MARRIAGE and those moustachoes Philip was talking about forgets it. Victoria and Albert also had that problem but she gave him something to do and Albert once looked down upon became respected. Elizabeth here wasn't yet ready to compromise as a wife. Philip gave up a LOT.
@@ReaverLordTonus Philip was in the line of succession. WAAY down the list (about 500 or so).
This was because the family lines of all of Victoria's sons and her eldest daughter had to be extinct (Philip was descended from Victoria's second daughter, Alice. The Marquess of Milford Haven and Earl Mountbatten are also descended from Alice).
I feel for him... felt for him... She had no real feeling for what a true family unit was comprised of.. the roles within a family of her constituents
fear of getting proved wrong or judged by masses . is prison he is got that right . unless you can come up with idea where masses are always blaming each other . so rulers can feel free of loosing control of subjects .
Prince Phillip should not have been required to scuttle his Greek & Danish titles as the price of admission. He should have been granted British-based titles upon his marriage to Princess Elizabeth & others, as she became Queen. The erasure of his history is something that led to his frustration & discomfort within the framework of their marriage. Too bad this is all a moot point. These changes needed to have been made whilst they were in the prime of their Royal lives. It is frustrating to learn that so much of what they both were responding to was the frozen atmosphere that they unintentionally were maintaining.
Philip... a man who thought he would be King by marriage, but was not.
It doesn't mean he has to be treated with disdain by The Firm. He and Prince Albert had that problem. Both foreigners, married regnant queens and had little power. Queen Victoria at the least gave Albert the run of the palace just to keep him busy and he did a good enough job. What did Philip have? Not much. No Greek & Danish title, gave up citizenship, gave up navy career. He couldn't even give his own children his name. She eventually remedied that after Churchill died. Sometimes in a marriage you have to compromise. Queen Victoria did that with Albert. Elizabeth II did the same with Prince Philip.
He knew he would never be king. His mother had been born in Windsor castle. Bith he and Queen wrre great, great grandchildren of Victoria and Albert so they knew the rules.
He knew he wouldn’t be “king” since before they even married but he should’ve been granted the title of prince in the UK.
@@michaelplunkett8059*both
*were
God these two are amazing
The "exit route" not being open is actually something I believe to be very helpful for a succesful marriage. If that is the case, both spouses will be motivated to address their problems in a constructive way, and put all their energy into making the relationship work (instead of spending it on pondering "should I maybe leave"). So you're not just staying together with gritted teeth for the sake of your kids or appearances or whatever, but you can actually overcome the problems and have a good marriage. (Yes I am catholic, and no, I don't think you should stay with an abusive spouse, but most of the time that is not the case and I do think that generally speaking people nowadays throw in the towel too easily.)
Divorce is what should be the final solution, when it is 100% sure that the marriage is hopeless ala Charles and Diana. When cheating, abuse and related happens is when divorce is the clear answer.
No one should be forced to remain in a loveless marriage.
What? No. Marriage is a prison when there is no love, respect, care and intimacy. Add abuse of all kinds and marriage is a dangerous situation one can find themselves in. Plenty women killed by their partners. It all starts with psychological abuse that is downplayed by society and ends with her being reduced to a coffin precisely because divorce was hard to obtain or she was dependent on him financially etc.
And no, abuse isn't smth rare. It's everywhere, with both men and women indulging in it behind closed doors, towards their partners and children. I am one of those children, I barely made it out alive. It's very common but you don't see it because it's hidden. My own parents were generally nice to me in front of other people, they kept the appearance of decent people and loving parents, but once we were alone, behind closed doors, they would beat me, starve me, deprive me of sleep, humiliate me, insult me, refuse to buy me basic clothes, food or hygiene products, refused to provide heat in the winter, criticised me for things out of my control, I got punched for eating an yogurt, just abhorrent behaviour that could have been partially fixed with a divorce since my father is a textbook narcopath and my mother was continuously depressed, confused, angry and fearful and she took it out on me. But everyone advised her against divorce and the abuse continued unbothered until I hit 30. Cause yea, that's how long it took me to escape that prison and gain a bit of independence.
Trust me, when you live in that hell, you understand why divorce should always be an option, a very accessible and easy option.
It's better to have high rates of divorce than to have high rates of unchecked domestic abuse that leads to mental illnesses and physical damage or worse. Kids are less traumatised by divorce than by living in a violent and emotionally damaging household.
Yeah, in theory, marriage should be for life, it's a beautiful ideal, but forcing people to stay in a situation that isn't right for them, in the name of that ideal, is just downright evil.
I don't understand how Elisabeth ever could be stupid enough to think a parent being outranked by a child made sense. Like Queens is higher than the Prince even when they aren't a monarch.
This scene shows the intolerable price normal adults pay as they are forced to fit into an intolerable role. Normal needs are warped. The Queen's initial incomprehension of Philip"s frustrations of being stuck in a prison illustrates how disconnected from normal humanity their lives are.
Out of it all I just feel bad the the queen genuinely loved him and thought they had a beautiful story the whole time it seems he was playing the game
I wish Diana had seen this. 🙏💔
Charles never had the respect for their marriage that these two had.
Why is their room so dark and depressing? Turn some lights on.
I noticed the Royal homes use old fashioned furniture curtains,etc so it looks dark.they don’t seem to have curtains open and lights like modern homes
Think they might be on Britannia
Elizabeth I knew better than to marry. 👑
I was just thinking the same thing. 😁
Philip is also out ranked by his six-year-old daughter. 😅😅😅
So this was Matt Smith's audition for Daemon right?
Queen Victoria gave Albert a dukedom as soon as they married. I don’t know why Philip wasn’t given that title when the Queen was first crowned. Seems like the Queen wasn’t fussed about Philips role in the family.
Elizabeth’s father created Philip Duke of Edinburgh before their marriage, but he wasn’t HRH The Prince. Even with that, he was still out ranked by his own children from the moment they were born. Such is the nature of being a consort to monarchy.
The queen advisor's told her not to make him a HRH. He given the tittle prince later in life.
@@ladyjustice1474but why though?
Prince Albert didn't have a dukedom, he didn't need it since he didn't gave up to his royal titles. Philip gave up to them because, after WW2, the only way to make British people accept him as royal consort was to take British citizienship. Changing citizienship make him loose his royal titles of Greece and Denmark. King George make Philip duke in order to don't have a son-in-law that had to be styled ad Mr., that would be to low for the future royal consort
Lots of errors and misinformation in this thread, not helped by the OPs incorrect opening comment. When Philip married The Princess Elizabeth in 1947, King George VI granted Philip three peerage titles Duke of Edinburgh, Earl of Merioneth and Baron Greenwich. He was also given the Knighthood of the Garter and also the form of address HRH. However the HRH did not make Philip a Prince of the United Kingdom. Normally, the two go together, but both HRH and Prince of the United Kingdom can be held separately, according to the Letters Patent in their creation. It was not until 1957 that the Queen finally granted Philip the title Prince of the United Kingdom. At the time of the grant of this title, it was made clear that Philip should be given precedence over his eldest son Charles, who was Heir Apparent to the Throne. I hope that clears everything up.
The Crown (the show) implies heavily that Elizabeth true love was Porchey, not Phillip. The "institution" made the impossible to make appearances and show Elizabeth and Phillip as the perfect couple, love at first sight yadda yadda, but at least for me, it's clear it was an arranged marriage like every other on those years and this scene reafirms that. Phillip is really uncomfortable and Elizabeth is only trying to do her job, making the "institution" work. Also IRL there were lots (not a few, lots) of rumours about Phillip cheating her.
I don't think the show emplies that Elizabeth's true love is Porchey. In one scene, she says that she only loved Philip. I think the series intends to show that no marriage is perfect, indeed Elizabeth and Philip have to make a compromise to go on together.
In the real life, Elizabeth's parents and establishment have their own candidates as future son-in-law. One of this was Porchey. He came from one of the most prominent British families and, at that time, a British candidate was preferred. Philip, instead, was the candidate of lord Mountbatten. The last one was related to the royal family, but was to close to Edward VIII (until the abdication) and considered to be a schemer. For this reasons we was not so popular in the royal establishment, but he had still power as distant relative of the royal family. He organized the meeting between his nephew and Elizabeth. She falled in love with the charming young officer, Philip understant the opportunity of this union. The King and the Queen were not very happy about the candidate, but since he had the right pedigree and they saw their daughter happy, they didn't oppose. So, I think Elizabeth was clearly in love, instead Philip could have develope affection for her (we can't know).
But didn't elizabeth have to push for marriage to Philip. She had to dig in her heels and push when the 'institution' and her father were rather displeased with her choice.
That doesn't make a lot of sense. Why would they have arranged a marriage to Philipp? The show makes it quite clear that everybody would have preferred her marrying Porchey or some other British noble, and that she had to push to be allowed to marry him.
@@lnhart7157 Mountbatten arranged the marriage, the establishment wanted to arranged with another man
It wasn't an arranged marriage. She was smitten with him since she first saw him. She was 13 and he was 18. Creepy, yes, but not necessarily for those times. They exchanged letters. Her family didn't want him. He was of royal blood, yes, but he had no influence in Europe or Greece, no fortune, no lands, nothing but good looks and a title which was worth nothing. Remember these people intermarry to keep influence and fortune within their families.
There was no reason for a future Queen of the Commonwealth to marry someone with no wealth or political power and whose family had ties with the n a z i e s.
She could have very well married Porchie, even if he wasn't royal. Her father also married a non-royal woman, the Queen Mother.
Philip was more royal than his wife, his parents were both royals, he came from 2 royal families, one of them older than the Windsors, the Oldenburgs have been royal for centuries longer than the Windsors or the Hanoverians.
Yet not British 😂
Yeah her mom was Cookie.
...and none of that mattered, because he was not on sovereign soil. He was in the UK, a country that had its own monarch.
It'd be the same if he stepped on to China or Japan - it doesnt matter how many titles he has or if he could trace his lineage back to William the Conqueror, in another country with its own government and sovereign, he aint shit.
He also renounced his titles as part of the deal when he married Elizabeth, so his Greek and Danish royalty really didn't much matter. Both were rather hollow titles to renounce.
His family was forced into exile by a military coup in 1922 that forced his uncle, King Constantine I, to abdicate. The family fled on a British warship while Philip was less than two years old, and the family spent most of their time in exile in Paris; although Philip was also lived with relatives in London and was educatedin England and Germany. His cousin, Constantine's son, George II, briefly took the throne until he, too, was deposed less than two years later. Greece went through years of political instability, which one could argue continues to this day given its economic instability, but it remains a republic, having abolished the monarchy in 1973.
Even discounting his uncle's abdication and his cousin's deposition in 1924 and again in 1946, Philip was not directly in line for the throne. He was a member of a cadet branch, if you will, of the Greek royal family, falling behind his uncle and cousins in the line of succession. This is equivalent to saying that, while Elizabeth II was still alive, the children of Anne, Andrew, and Edward were royals. (I use that generation as an example rather than present day because the situation with Prince Harry is so messy. Are he and his children still in the line of succession? Probably, but I don't care to die on that hill.) Yes, they are/were royals, but none had any reasonable expectation of inheriting the throne because they were all cadet branches of the family with Charles, his children, and his children's children all having a claim prior to them.
My point to that whole rambling mess is that he was "closer" to the British throne than he ever was to the Greek or Danish thrones, but he was never in the line of succession for either except for a few brief months after he was born. If one can call that a point. Perhaps it's just an alternate point of view to contrast with the OP.
@@morrigan908that's why being a right winger is far more trouble than it's worth.
I’d have all the sympathy in the world for him if it weren’t for the affairs. That’s the one thing that invalidates every point he’s making. If he wants to be treated like the husband of the Queen he better ACT like the husband of the Queen and that includes honoring his marriage vows.
(Saying this purely in reference to the characters on the show, not the real people they’re based on, whom I know very little about)
If you are aware this is a work of fiction, then why the lack of sympathy? In regards to affairs there's no actual credible evidence Philip cheated on Elizabeth. He might have flirted and had some chit chat with the ladies beyond that is unknown. One thing is clear he was devoted to his wife.
Well this is historically accurate that means they came very close to getting a divorce and that's very interesting
I think most couples go through a phase of restlessness. Divorce should only be on the table if someone has actually done something wrong. Neither did as far as we know.
I don’t think they were ever close to divorce. Sure, this was a rough spot, but as head of the Church of England, and a devout Christian, the queen would never have divorced her husband.
@@davidcaudill7779And destroyed his wife, the monarchy, the patrimony for his children? To do what??? He had lived the horror of losing a throne on Greece and being impoverished. Who would do that to his own children?
Prince Albert had similar problems fitting into Victoria's court.
@@michaelplunkett8059 he just would have been King David
I very much doubt they ever reached that point. This isn’t a historically accurate documentary. This is a television drama. And it’s a great drama. It’s great television. But in order to achieve great drama there has to be conflict. The scene that follows this is the one in which Philip is made a prince. The Crown makes it seem that Philip forced Elizabeth to give him that title. In reality, once Churchill was out of office, she asked the cabinet for guidance on how to increase Philip’s title. He ultimately received the promotion in the same time frame as depicted in the show, but according to records, it was Elizabeth who pushed it while Philip tried to decline. His private secretary did get a divorce but there wasn’t a big scandal around it as both Elizabeth and Philip publicly supported both Mike and his wife. So it seems unlikely that a conversation like this ever took place in reality. But it does make for great TV.
Queen was impossible.
Phillip was totally trapped.
Whew!!!!!
Harry left this bull.
Take this opportunity without CHILDREN... Bruh how many times have we seen you two with kids unable to do other things😂
What the hell is all that background noise? It sounds like they are on a ship. Are they?
I believe they are on a train
@ Thanks, I don’t think they are on a train. The room is too large for any train. I believe now that they are on a ship. Look at the windows. They are oval in shape.
He didn’t have anything to give up apart from the Navy ?
Philip had to give up his career as a naval officer, his children took his wife’s surname rather than his, he had to publicly kneel before his wife, he had to turn his back on his best friend, he had to give up his place in the Thursday Club, and he had to constantly be reminded by the firm that he was an outside who didn’t belong. For a man as proud as Philip, all of those were like emotional torture.
@@markrobinson9394 NOBODY made him,
@@lindaWalters-n1i I suggest you watch the show again. The firm and the Queen made Philip do a lot of things he didn’t want to do. At one point, Churchill tried to make Elizabeth force Philip to give up his flying lessons, which was only allowed due to Churchill having the fog crisis to deal with.
If you’re using the “nobody forced him to marry her” logic, then yes, nobody forced him. But everything that came after that was out of his control.
@@markrobinson9394 sorry Mark I didn’t know you were talking about the fiction I was talking about the facts
@@markrobinson9394 get out your history books and maybe sort out the fact from fiction or even read the news papers I see he’s being linked to Christine Keeler and Mandy Rice Davies just last week 🤔
Pressure!!!
What is not said is that he had no money. He relied upon her for everything.
Were they supposed to be on the yacht?
Putting him beneath the heir was plain wrong.
No one "put" Phillip there. He simply was there by the fact that he was a prince consort and not a regnant king. Charles was the heir to the throne.
God this is just like my relationship!
You’re a Queen and your husband isn’t as important as you? That’s dope! Not even joking!
In your case, God has nothing to do with it.
Their voices are edited... it's all lower
Immense, unimaginable privilege and wealth and people still complain.
It is because privilege and wealth aren't everything just because have those things doesn't mean you have an easy life and no complaints.
The character of Prince Philip in these "early years" always strikes me as an unlikeable character. Always giving Elizabeth these near side-eye observations, behaving like a contemptuous young adult who disdains having to play second fiddle, etc. Unlike how the older "versions" of Philip are portrayed in the Crown, Matt Smith's version is a constant brooding distraction to most scenes.
That is so Doctor Who!
French had it right
geez they could've just gotten divorced *and* ended the monarchy, two for one
Did he ever GET that she was the queen regnant... a true queen? And he was just another another peer who was supposed to obey...her.
And this scene is when the last ounce of respect for Phillip went right down the drain for me! He's horribly verbally abusive to her, blames her for everything, and has zero insight into how his awful behaviors are deeply hurting her and his family.
It’s because they are talking around 3 facts:
1) Phillip resents fulfilling the role of “the Wife” in their relationship
2) Phillip regularly cheats on her
3) They both know that
@@Mourtzouphlos240 You're completely right and great point! Instead of talking directly about the cheating which needed to happen...she skirted around it. Although that changed big time in the last episode of season 2...
Do you think he ever stopped cheating?@@Mourtzouphlos240
@@Mourtzouphlos240There's no actual credible proof he cheated on her and no one has come out to verify it. This is a TV drama even if Philip had cheated he was very discreet about it.
Would you be happy in Philip's place? He gave up a lot to be with Elizabeth. He gave up his Greek & Danish titles, he gave up his navy career, he gave up his name and citizenship, their Clarence House abode, he was snidely put down because he the "Hun," married the princess. Odd considering the current Royal Family including Elizabeth herself is a descendant of Sophia of Hanover a German. Philip was never going to be respected til he got a title. Try looking at his POV. Even Prince Albert had his fair share of frustrations being a consort early on. Also remember this is a drama made for TV i.e entertainment.
Wait till you learn diana
i am his father elizabeth just silence her
Philip was absolutely right. I will always respect what a great man he was, and admire what he had to put up with both from his immediately family and a Royal family that was often suspicious of him.
Royal flush
Elites problems *heavy sigh*
When she named her children after herself she basically killed the marriage
I’m sorry but Elizabeth has no right to say and do things toward Phillip during this part of the season. Did Phillip sleep with others, cheating on her? Yes. I do not condone cheating no matter the reason. Do I understand his reason? Yes. Phillip gave up so much in order to be with her. She got Phillip with no cost to her but he had to basically give up everything to be with her. Great acting in this scene. Love it. Thanks for uploading.
No one forced him into marrying her. He knew what he was getting into and accepted it. He sounds like Meghan Markle 2.
@@omi685 even though this is a tv show, Yes. No one forced him to marry her. He knew there were a great bit of things he would sacrifice to marry her and the things agreed upon he did because he thought he would get some things out of their marriage. Here is something he believed was to happen during their marriage but got changed out from under him when she took the crown. He thought his children were going to take his name as most do in any marriage but that was taken away from him. He believed it to be arranged that his name for his children to have and that happened with most if not all rulers. And a King Consort to help in matters of state, etc like a great deal of King consorts do. But even that was nothing of a promise never delivered. Just a fancy title. Then to have everyone judge, look down upon him because he was not one of them. Who wouldn’t be pissed off about that? So that must have hit like a freight train to Phillip.
All I am saying is that I understand why he feels the way he does. Do I encourage his behavior? Heck no. Do I understand why he feels the way he feels and why he did some of the things he did? Absolutely yes.
@@TheRealDeal92 You do understand that this is a TV series and it is dramatised for entertainment purposes, right?
He was not a 'King' Consort, he was just the husband of the queen. He had no authority. His status was negotiated and agreed upon before they got married.
The British monarch's powers are largely ceremonial, and they act on the advice of the government. Even if Elizabeth wanted to grant him more power, it would have been impossible without the government's approval.
Did he marry her out of love or to obtain certain privileges like a common gold digger?
@@omi685Yes I am aware it is a tv show. I’m just saying that even for a man in a position like Philip’s is not normal. Yes, women did it all the time and still do which I’m not always a fan of it but it happens. For a Royal, it was definitely not normal. He knew there would be challenges and changes through their marriage especially when she would be Queen but everything he is as a person was being chopped away bit by bit over the years of her as Queen. He left his family lineage behind and he did give that up willingly. But for none of his children to take his family name, giving up his background, now the military has to be given up. And the fact that no matter what good he did, and to take care of her as her father told Philip, he would always be seen as a stranger on their land.
@@TheRealDeal92 The monarch of the UK represents the symbolic head of state. The role is largely ceremonial, with actual governance handled by elected officials.
Elizabeth knew it. Philip knew it.
The government decided Phillip's position before their wedding, and Phillip agreed to it. Phillip should have taken his grievances to the elected officials, those who are really running the country.
Do you think thats why they last 70 years together, because the couldnt divorce?...😮
Such an insecure child!, well that's what we might think now but back in the day a white man was used to be the center of atention. It must have been so difficult for the queen to handle him and the country at the same time at such young age. I wonder if she fell out of love.
Divorce is always an option.
It wasn't in their case. I'm not a monarchist but you have to see that one of the functions of the Royal Family is to present a picture of the ideal stable family of Britain. Divorces are destabilizing.
Moreover, the Queen's uncle abdicated to marry a divorced woman. This was still pretty raw within the family. QE2 is perfectly correct when she points out what a scandal a divorce of this particular royal couple would have caused.
No - not at that time. Remember what a stigma "divorced" was (Wallis Simpson). And the Queen's "no" to the marriage of Margaret and Townsend. And the emperor is the head of the Anglican Church and can't get divorced!
it was a different time..no divorce person wasn't even allowed to be invited to functions with Royalty attending...it was considered insulting to the Monarch......
@ Orillah
The monarch is the head
of the CoE (Church of
England) that, at the time,
did not recognize divorce
and remarriage within the
church.
She couldn't divorce!!! That would have meant her abdication in favour of her adulterer son. Divorce is not granted to Queens. Women in Christianity can't ask for a divorce.