Great video. In the states we also call them framing nailers and the common angle depends primarily on the region in the country but it also varies by user preference (we have either nailer angle available to us and usually either nail angle stocked in the stores). As a rule of thumb, West coast prefers 30° and East Coast prefers 21° framers but that’s loose at best. I live in Washington State in the US and my nailer is what we call a 30° framing nailer and it accepts 30°-34° nails. 30° nails are paper collated with offset or clipped heads, and if you want a centered head and plastic collated nails with more options on the shank and material (such as stainless with a screw shank) most specialty nails are normally only available in 21° collation… best available in clipped or offset 30° collation would be something like ring shank hot-dipped galvanized. For the other nailers we simply call them brad nailers (18ga), finish nailers (15ga for door frames or 16ga baseboards and most other finishing needs) and pin nailers (23ga). I wish they would make a 16ga pin nailer… when shooting nails in at alternating angles it creates a dovetailing action and a superior mechanical hold so no head is needed when using that trick. Shoot nails like this \ / \ / And never like this | | | | for at least double the holding power. No head would be smaller nail holes and 16ga holds most trim very securly… are you listening Milwaukee. 16ga pin nailer and call it a “dovetail nailer” so people will ask why it’s called that! The only pin nailer I’ve ever seen is 23ga (which I love in the M12). These nailers have to be selling well. Even more options please. Headless nails would be the future if a company decided to make them.
I mean... You should just angle the gun to get the nails in that pattern. Finished Carpentry TV has a whole episode on this. Plan your shots/nails and you don't need to have 2 separate guns.
@@trevorp875 I agree… angle the gun, but you can’t be saying one gun will do everything and hopefully you’re not saying that angled collation shoots at angles. Every nail gun shoots how you aim it regardless of collation and I really don’t know what I said that would inspire that mention nor do I get what you’re saying or why… maybe it will make some sense if I watch that episode of finished carpentry.
@@IntegrityDistribution I guess my point is, why do we need to keep asking for separate tools that could be achieved with simply shifting the gun position. With tilting the gun you get \ I /. Why do you need a gun that does it for you? Wastes an extra 300 dollars for a simple wrist motion. I'm only replying to your third paragraph.
@@trevorp875 that’s not what he was saying… I think you missed his point. He doesn’t want a gun that shoots the nail in at angle for you hahaha. he’s saying they should make a pin” nailer (headless nail so completely straight) in 16g because if you shoot it at an angle it will have equal if not greater holding power than a finishing “pin with a head on it shot straight except no head so no holes. And that a company should make headless nails in all gauges because it would be better. You would just have to shoot them in at the correct angles to get sufficient holding power
No, not saying that at all… I’m dying if a nail has no head or a tiny head don’t shoot them in perpendicularly or holding power won’t be there. To ensure hood power, shoot nails like this: \ / \ / \ / Rather than this… | | | | | | | 2 angled nails is probably worth 4 or 5 straight nails, and in materials like drywall, 2 Angie’s nails is probably the equivalent of around 10 straight nails. Angle collation just helps the gun get into slightly tighter places on rare occasion or grants just a little more comfort. Straight collation often leads to more options including shorter lengths, more finishes, or details like ring shank, spiral shank, true Hot-Dipped Galv rather than electro, etc. Generally I prefer more angle, but am I actually going to notice 95% of the time… probably not.
My eyes and ears aren’t lying to me. I had to double check who posted this video. I was like, “Wait, what?” Thanks for doing this. About to frame a building, and I’ve held off from buying a nailer. I have plenty of Milwaukee tools. Too bad teal hasn’t yet gotten one out.
Hey Ben, a framing nailer (and a roofing nailer) are probably better air than battery. Pick up a 10 pound weight and pretend to be bailing on a ladder with it… it is a noteworthy amount of weight. If I were framing a larger house I’d want both, but in that slot I’d want air if I could only have one framing nailer for the job. I own Milwaukee’s battery framer. The weight feels like double and when up on a ladder and reaching for siding the nailer certainly has drawbacks even if it performs well. For all other smaller nailers 6# or less is totally worth no hose. It might be worth it if I were framing or siding every day but my estimation is air is probably better overall since it’s 1/2 the weight or at least it feels like half.
I think the number means 18 nails per inch, henct18 gauge, small nails. As the gauge number gets smaller eg 15 gauge, means 15 nails per inch, larger nail. In Australia we mostly used the old terms C1, C or DA brads for their names but the American term 18, 16 and 15 gauge are creeping in with these new cordless products. Senco was big on the 33 degrees framer and DA bradder. And others had the Bostich which was 21 degrees framer and C bradder. These were our VHS and Betta for chippies.
Brilliant 👍 Excellent video thank you. Have watched a few of yours on these Milwaukee nailers but super helpful to have one video covering pretty much every variant they do - For me particularly helpful because have been looking at buying the dual nailer set they sell (at least here in the UK) with both the framing nailer and the 16G. The visual, side by side comparison of the different gauge nails and how they look when perfectly seated (and set too deep) was excellent and not something I’ve seen anyone else provide or anything remotely similar. Makes a lot of sense now why those 2 come as a set, and helpful to understand how the 16G will give you a decent amount of extra holding power. Well done and thanks again 🙌
I believe the red's of the plastics are different for their different environments. The finished nailers are used inside so less environmental resistance needed minus your paints and wood finishes. Also, it would make more sense to make the large framing nailer that is used at higher heights to be a made of a more drop resistant plastic. Just an idea.
In the states we do call the framing nailer a framing nailer we call the 18 gauge a brad nailer and call 16/15 gauge a finish nailer just have to specify the gauge
Used a 2nd fix Paslode for years … until now .. Milwaukee have nailed it with the 16g gun .. fires into hardwoods also no problem. You get used to the weight as the tool is well balanced. As for the Rambo mode .. pointless on a finishing gun .. looking forward to your review of the 16 gauge. 👍🏼
Excellent tutorial video, but i noticed you never mentioned the Milwaukee PIN nailer! whitch i have 👍 i am in uk & could only get one from the states, it is excellent for finishing delicate jobs & virtually leaves any sign of a hole, good for skirting boards, kitchen cabinets ect,ect, I just thought that i would mention it thats all, keep the video's coming my friend they are 100%
Like yourself I'm the UK and had to order the M12 pin nailer from the States. Sucks we don't get the full Milwaukee range and you would think given the quality and power it would be a good seller over here.
I have the 18ga Gen 2 nailer I bought it before the 16ga and the 15ga gen 2 came out. Since I have the 18ga, which out of the 16ga and 15ga would you recommend, since the 16ga is a balance between the 18 and the 15 and I already have the 18, would getting the 15 make more sense ?
18guarge MHPT'/Hikoki is superior to my red one and much lighter My 30°Milwaukee framer also is just less balances and heavier to work with than the MHPT framers
I see hikoki has some new nailers coming out they are around the same size and power as milwaukee equivalent. I will be buying them as I already have that battery platform
Just one nail gun missing ( I have 3 of them but I need one or two more ) … 1st the roofer nail gun and maybe the 18ga finishing nailer too? … DeWalt has one come on Milwaukee…
love these videos there’s just one problem. 😖 as a makita advocate will there be a makita 18v narrow crown STAPLER ?? it’s not a deal breaker as I already use battery adapters to mix and match dewalt and makita battery’s so I’m leaning to buying a Milwaukee body only and using makita battery’s 🤭. thanks jack.
Hi, best review on UA-cam. Do you know if the intire range of nail/pin guns use the same battery? Also my current (out going) pin gun is dewalt and they made their own pins for their guns. Does milwaukee do the same and if not what brand of pins are recommended?
What is the difference between the 16 gauge and the 18 gauge brad nailers.I am shopping for a Milwaukee nailer that can accomodate and shoot sturby nails.I will appreciate it if you can point me in the right direction about this.Thanks.
I watched several video's on these tools but none of them went as in-depth as you did, it was just the information I was looking for, however; I'm still trying to decide which one to get for all around finish work because I'd rather not have to purchase two tools when one can handle the job, so I'd like to see how a 16G could handle smaller trim as opposed to door and window trim. Is it at further risk of cracking the wood and how often would it occur? According to this and other video's I was ready to pull the trigger on an 18G but it is straight vs the angle. Thank you for this video, it was incredibly helpful. 👍
I was missing the 15ga and 16ga to complete my Milwaukee nailer and stapler collection and I got them two weeks ago. The M12 23ga is awesome and you can shoot nails at your friends as a nice bonus 😂. It’s so nice to look at every morning 😍
You temptress I thought you were going to bring the revelation that makita had a battery framer still this will do for now.😊 Please pester makita for me 😮
Why wait when u have to get work done Metabo HPT and Milwaukee nailers are here and getting the work done I don't wait for specific colors I get the best tool for the job at the best price
Occasionally, I have a clip that gets jammed halfway when sliding down the magazine. It is usually a case of the first or last nail head being slightly deformed. So I just snap that one off, then it's all good.
Maybe you should’ve included the M12 Pin Nailer. Excellent tool that I highly recommend. One feature you can’t find on a pneumatic nailer, e.g. led light. It easily sinks those pins in both hard and soft woods.
Milwaukee has superior nail guns (seems like almost everyone agrees on that detail), but I like Makita’s drills. Their framing nailer is too heavy to use all day but great to also have available or great for small jobs. The weight of the rest of the nailers is well worth the trade off. I don’t even own an air compressor any more and don’t intend to buy one. The framing nailer is the one tool that I think is better in air but Milwaukee’s M18 tire inflator is awesome and Makita’s or Hikoki’s dedicated dust blowers are awesome so I have no need for a compressor anymore. Milwaukee for nailers all day long… I’m not 100% sold on the framing nailer but I do still think it’s superior to all the other battery brands despite weighing in at around 10#!
Not sure if it was this video or another one, but I really liked when you explained a few problems you'd come across with some other nailer. Honestly at this point it's comes down to more what tools don't do or issues that they have over optimal performance!
From my understanding these nailers with any gas tank in them are fairly likely to have leaks at some point . I just wonder why aren’t people talking about that in reviews ( btw i love your reviews 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🫶🏻🫶🏻🫶🏻) i am just reluctant to buy something like this because of the random lifespam of that nitrogen gas tank .
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You nailed it bro 🙂
Have the 18G, 16G, framing and narrow crown stapler, all with zero issues after heavy use. Love them to bits. Great discussion mate.
A great collated review of brads to pins. You've really nailed it. This channel is a staple for tool fans*
*But today it's nailers
thank you for the best presentation about Milwaukee Nailers
Great video.
In the states we also call them framing nailers and the common angle depends primarily on the region in the country but it also varies by user preference (we have either nailer angle available to us and usually either nail angle stocked in the stores). As a rule of thumb, West coast prefers 30° and East Coast prefers 21° framers but that’s loose at best. I live in Washington State in the US and my nailer is what we call a 30° framing nailer and it accepts 30°-34° nails. 30° nails are paper collated with offset or clipped heads, and if you want a centered head and plastic collated nails with more options on the shank and material (such as stainless with a screw shank) most specialty nails are normally only available in 21° collation… best available in clipped or offset 30° collation would be something like ring shank hot-dipped galvanized.
For the other nailers we simply call them brad nailers (18ga), finish nailers (15ga for door frames or 16ga baseboards and most other finishing needs) and pin nailers (23ga).
I wish they would make a 16ga pin nailer… when shooting nails in at alternating angles it creates a dovetailing action and a superior mechanical hold so no head is needed when using that trick. Shoot nails like this \ / \ / And never like this | | | | for at least double the holding power. No head would be smaller nail holes and 16ga holds most trim very securly… are you listening Milwaukee. 16ga pin nailer and call it a “dovetail nailer” so people will ask why it’s called that! The only pin nailer I’ve ever seen is 23ga (which I love in the M12). These nailers have to be selling well. Even more options please.
Headless nails would be the future if a company decided to make them.
I mean... You should just angle the gun to get the nails in that pattern. Finished Carpentry TV has a whole episode on this. Plan your shots/nails and you don't need to have 2 separate guns.
@@trevorp875 I agree… angle the gun, but you can’t be saying one gun will do everything and hopefully you’re not saying that angled collation shoots at angles. Every nail gun shoots how you aim it regardless of collation and I really don’t know what I said that would inspire that mention nor do I get what you’re saying or why… maybe it will make some sense if I watch that episode of finished carpentry.
@@IntegrityDistribution I guess my point is, why do we need to keep asking for separate tools that could be achieved with simply shifting the gun position. With tilting the gun you get \ I /. Why do you need a gun that does it for you? Wastes an extra 300 dollars for a simple wrist motion. I'm only replying to your third paragraph.
@@trevorp875 that’s not what he was saying… I think you missed his point. He doesn’t want a gun that shoots the nail in at angle for you hahaha. he’s saying they should make a pin” nailer (headless nail so completely straight) in 16g because if you shoot it at an angle it will have equal if not greater holding power than a finishing “pin with a head on it shot straight except no head so no holes. And that a company should make headless nails in all gauges because it would be better. You would just have to shoot them in at the correct angles to get sufficient holding power
No, not saying that at all… I’m dying if a nail has no head or a tiny head don’t shoot them in perpendicularly or holding power won’t be there.
To ensure hood power, shoot nails like this:
\ / \ / \ /
Rather than this…
| | | | | | |
2 angled nails is probably worth 4 or 5 straight nails, and in materials like drywall, 2 Angie’s nails is probably the equivalent of around 10 straight nails.
Angle collation just helps the gun get into slightly tighter places on rare occasion or grants just a little more comfort. Straight collation often leads to more options including shorter lengths, more finishes, or details like ring shank, spiral shank, true Hot-Dipped Galv rather than electro, etc.
Generally I prefer more angle, but am I actually going to notice 95% of the time… probably not.
Thanks
One of best tool channel
I thought that was a good presentation of the nailer’s. Thank you very much.
My eyes and ears aren’t lying to me. I had to double check who posted this video. I was like, “Wait, what?” Thanks for doing this. About to frame a building, and I’ve held off from buying a nailer. I have plenty of Milwaukee tools. Too bad teal hasn’t yet gotten one out.
Hey Ben, a framing nailer (and a roofing nailer) are probably better air than battery. Pick up a 10 pound weight and pretend to be bailing on a ladder with it… it is a noteworthy amount of weight. If I were framing a larger house I’d want both, but in that slot I’d want air if I could only have one framing nailer for the job. I own Milwaukee’s battery framer. The weight feels like double and when up on a ladder and reaching for siding the nailer certainly has drawbacks even if it performs well. For all other smaller nailers 6# or less is totally worth no hose. It might be worth it if I were framing or siding every day but my estimation is air is probably better overall since it’s 1/2 the weight or at least it feels like half.
Recently put 6k nails through the 15ga with zero malfunctions. I like it a lot.
I think the number means 18 nails per inch, henct18 gauge, small nails. As the gauge number gets smaller eg 15 gauge, means 15 nails per inch, larger nail. In Australia we mostly used the old terms C1, C or DA brads for their names but the American term 18, 16 and 15 gauge are creeping in with these new cordless products.
Senco was big on the 33 degrees framer and DA bradder. And others had the Bostich which was 21 degrees framer and C bradder. These were our VHS and Betta for chippies.
Brilliant 👍 Excellent video thank you. Have watched a few of yours on these Milwaukee nailers but super helpful to have one video covering pretty much every variant they do - For me particularly helpful because have been looking at buying the dual nailer set they sell (at least here in the UK) with both the framing nailer and the 16G. The visual, side by side comparison of the different gauge nails and how they look when perfectly seated (and set too deep) was excellent and not something I’ve seen anyone else provide or anything remotely similar. Makes a lot of sense now why those 2 come as a set, and helpful to understand how the 16G will give you a decent amount of extra holding power. Well done and thanks again 🙌
Thank you for your comment. I'm glad the video was able to be of help.
Love the 18g and 16g for fix out work. I use the 18g with adhesive for architraves and the 16g for skirting. Great vid man!
Please translate to American
Thanks.I was searching such video to decide which gun suits me.
I believe the red's of the plastics are different for their different environments. The finished nailers are used inside so less environmental resistance needed minus your paints and wood finishes. Also, it would make more sense to make the large framing nailer that is used at higher heights to be a made of a more drop resistant plastic. Just an idea.
In the states we do call the framing nailer a framing nailer we call the 18 gauge a brad nailer and call 16/15 gauge a finish nailer just have to specify the gauge
Awesome review to details!!
So is the 16 gauge finish nailer the most versatile and best to own if you can only get one? It can do trims and do some structural holding stuff?
Used a 2nd fix Paslode for years … until now ..
Milwaukee have nailed it with the 16g gun .. fires into hardwoods also no problem.
You get used to the weight as the tool is well balanced.
As for the Rambo mode .. pointless on a finishing gun ..
looking forward to your review of the 16 gauge. 👍🏼
Very good and nice review well done mate
Cheers
Excellent tutorial video, but i noticed you never mentioned the Milwaukee PIN nailer! whitch i have 👍 i am in uk & could only get one from the states, it is excellent for finishing delicate jobs & virtually leaves any sign of a hole, good for skirting boards, kitchen cabinets ect,ect, I just thought that i would mention it thats all, keep the video's coming my friend they are 100%
I did mention it. And I mentioned that I wouldn't be discussing it in this video as it is a 12v tool and this video was about all the 18v nailers.
Like yourself I'm the UK and had to order the M12 pin nailer from the States. Sucks we don't get the full Milwaukee range and you would think given the quality and power it would be a good seller over here.
I have the 18ga Gen 2 nailer I bought it before the 16ga and the 15ga gen 2 came out. Since I have the 18ga, which out of the 16ga and 15ga would you recommend, since the 16ga is a balance between the 18 and the 15 and I already have the 18, would getting the 15 make more sense ?
18guarge MHPT'/Hikoki is superior to my red one and much lighter
My 30°Milwaukee framer also is just less balances and heavier to work with than the MHPT framers
14:55 casual warthog casually fitting in the distance
I see hikoki has some new nailers coming out they are around the same size and power as milwaukee equivalent. I will be buying them as I already have that battery platform
BEST of the BEST!
Just one nail gun missing ( I have 3 of them but I need one or two more ) … 1st the roofer nail gun and maybe the 18ga finishing nailer too? … DeWalt has one come on Milwaukee…
This is the Best review
The 23 guage nailer has been out for over 2 years mate it's an absolute weapon.
That's M12, Not M18. This is just M18 models. I will do the M12 nailers and staplers in another video.
@Tools & Stuff of course apologies
love these videos there’s just one problem. 😖 as a makita advocate will there be a makita 18v narrow crown STAPLER ?? it’s not a deal breaker as I already use battery adapters to mix and match dewalt and makita battery’s so I’m leaning to buying a Milwaukee body only and using makita battery’s 🤭. thanks jack.
Hi, best review on UA-cam. Do you know if the intire range of nail/pin guns use the same battery?
Also my current (out going) pin gun is dewalt and they made their own pins for their guns. Does milwaukee do the same and if not what brand of pins are recommended?
What is the difference between the 16 gauge and the 18 gauge brad nailers.I am shopping for a Milwaukee nailer that can accomodate and shoot sturby nails.I will appreciate it if you can point me in the right direction about this.Thanks.
That's what this video does...
The 16g and 15g look similar in body type. if you put the 15g magazine on the 16g would it work?
you mess up the gun as you expand the pressure hole for the gun likely
21 degree vs 30 degree what would the main difference be? they both can shoot full round heads.
I watched several video's on these tools but none of them went as in-depth as you did, it was just the information I was looking for, however; I'm still trying to decide which one to get for all around finish work because I'd rather not have to purchase two tools when one can handle the job, so I'd like to see how a 16G could handle smaller trim as opposed to door and window trim. Is it at further risk of cracking the wood and how often would it occur? According to this and other video's I was ready to pull the trigger on an 18G but it is straight vs the angle. Thank you for this video, it was incredibly helpful. 👍
I use the 16 for everything these days. Works fine on anything an 18 does. Slightly bigger hole is all.
Great Nailers. Love em all.
when are they going to make a cordless 16-Gauge Construction Stapler, it s highly used tool in my industry
Is there one for concrete
I wish these could go on sale
I was missing the 15ga and 16ga to complete my Milwaukee nailer and stapler collection and I got them two weeks ago. The M12 23ga is awesome and you can shoot nails at your friends as a nice bonus 😂. It’s so nice to look at every morning 😍
When will milwaukee bring out a metal connecting nailer?! fed up of buying i-series gas for the paslode PPN so expencive!
Yes
I bought it from ebay in USA
15 GA is great for concrete form building :)
You temptress I thought you were going to bring the revelation that makita had a battery framer still this will do for now.😊 Please pester makita for me 😮
I've been pestering them about it for 7 years. I have heard some positive murmurs recently...
@Tools & Stuff it will turn up when I retire. I will still buy one make a shelf for it and say look how easy they have it know these young joiners.
Makita really slacking :( hope we see something this year!
considering makita just chucked their price up on alot of things i might be about to give up on them altogether.. they are just price gouging now
@@UnacceptableViews not sure about that one, in eu prices are consistent
@@riba2233 In Australia they put the prices up on Mar 6th. couple of things I just recently bought have jumped up over $100
@@UnacceptableViews that is a shame!
Makita is still ahead of Bosch that has one brad nailer , Bosch GNH 18V-64 M Pro and Metabo that has one framing nailer , Metabo NFR 18 LTX 90 BL .
Great contenr
still waiting for makita to come out with decent nailers
We all are.
Why wait when u have to get work done
Metabo HPT and Milwaukee nailers are here and getting the work done
I don't wait for specific colors I get the best tool for the job at the best price
Why won’t the head of my nails slide into my Milwaukee 16ga nailer?
Are you sure you're using the right nails?
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL yes I am. Maybe they are bad quality? I’ll have to get the ones you are using in the video.
Occasionally, I have a clip that gets jammed halfway when sliding down the magazine. It is usually a case of the first or last nail head being slightly deformed. So I just snap that one off, then it's all good.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL yeah mine would not slide in at all. The head gets stuck.
I sent pictures and information on instagram. If you have time and don’t mind. 😁
And yet, still no Makita XGT framing nailer :(
I go the other way I use either the 18 gauge or the 15 gauge almost never go for my 16 gauge nailer
18 and 15 are the classic combo. 16 got popularized because of Paslode. I prefer 16 but, that’s from habit.
Do u live in the US . Is this meant to be a write off on taxes.
No I don't.
Straya has shit loads of DA 15g nailers.
Good on floors
Hi
I wish we got hard cases
Maybe you should’ve included the M12 Pin Nailer. Excellent tool that I highly recommend. One feature you can’t find on a pneumatic nailer, e.g. led light. It easily sinks those pins in both hard and soft woods.
There is a 23 Gauge Pin Nailer. It’s an M12….
As I stated in the video.
Not a fan of the Red stuff but still an excellent video for general info on Nail Guns etc.
Milwaukee has superior nail guns (seems like almost everyone agrees on that detail), but I like Makita’s drills. Their framing nailer is too heavy to use all day but great to also have available or great for small jobs. The weight of the rest of the nailers is well worth the trade off. I don’t even own an air compressor any more and don’t intend to buy one. The framing nailer is the one tool that I think is better in air but Milwaukee’s M18 tire inflator is awesome and Makita’s or Hikoki’s dedicated dust blowers are awesome so I have no need for a compressor anymore.
Milwaukee for nailers all day long… I’m not 100% sold on the framing nailer but I do still think it’s superior to all the other battery brands despite weighing in at around 10#!
Where is the 23ga pin nailer?
It's an M12.
I buy 18 g yesterday and today I saw this video I fell robbed the tool dont have a plastic case or bag
Never heard the terms "first fix or second fix" in the US.
I should of said UK, not US
A bricks got more ergonomic’s than the Milwaukee framer until they get to the weight of the paslode I won’t care how much more expensive the gas is
Not sure if it was this video or another one, but I really liked when you explained a few problems you'd come across with some other nailer. Honestly at this point it's comes down to more what tools don't do or issues that they have over optimal performance!
From my understanding these nailers with any gas tank in them are fairly likely to have leaks at some point . I just wonder why aren’t people talking about that in reviews ( btw i love your reviews 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🫶🏻🫶🏻🫶🏻) i am just reluctant to buy something like this because of the random lifespam of that nitrogen gas tank .