Milwaukee Nailguns are Designed to Fail You (and How to Fix Them)
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- Опубліковано 16 лют 2024
- I hope this video was useful, or at least entertaining!
Link to the simple fitting*:
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Link to the Hitachi Tool*:
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*These are affiliate links, I've gotta pay off that new nailgun somehow
First Milwaukee UA-camr thats not annoying. This is coming from a Makita guy.
What are you asking for your upcoming 13th birthday?
@@TJCarpentryServicesfound the annoying Milwaukee guy 😂
It's so funny seeing people arguing over tool brand affiliations. Why not just get the best one that is the cheapest?
@@sarimsalman2698 Its just too expensive to enter other power tool platforms. I find Makita power tools more ergonomic as well. Unlike Milwaukee tools.
@@sarimsalman2698 Exaaaaaactly! The majority of my tools are Makita but I do own several from milwaukee, festool, ryobi, dewalt and others. Hell, I'd even go for some of those VERY cheap made tools from Harbor Freights if it gets the job done good enough.
This was a really well-made video. In fact, I would even say you...nailed it.
niiiice lol
Love it when you find ways to unscam a scam. Keep up the awesome videos.
Finding ways to repair things is always a win, thanks!
Not rellay a scam as the Milwauke use 100% nitrogen not air.
Thanks for showing us how it’s done. Another reason to buy the Metabo HPT nail gun. Don’t get me wrong, I’m fully (over?)invested in MKE tools, but I still research many major tool purchases. As for proprietary battery platforms…I still buy a fair bit of corded / compressor-powered tools.
Keep up the work man. The videos are great just the algorithm needs to bless you and you will make it.
Thanks bro for your help ,I had 2 milwaukee 18 guage brad nailers and bought a third one but after this video I tried to fix them and it worked, you're a life saver, 👍
always make sure the driver piston is fully extended(meaning like where it would be when shooting a nail and not going back in) before refilling metabo hpt has a maintenance mode i believe milwaukee does too or you can just make sure you install it like that when putting it back together but if you dont you will be charging a smaller portion to the "correct"psi and then when u shoot a nail the chamber opens up and your pressure is not really where you thought also if your gun is fully charged and you take it apart be very careful moving anything around because if that motor slips it will go off and you can get seriously hurt
Exactly why Milwaukee used security screws, they don't really want stupid people injuring themselves with their tools.
I was told that pressing the power button 5 times and then depress the safety only and fire it so the pin fully extends. I tried it on my 18 g and it didn’t work lol.
Love those Milwaukee lights and nail guns. most of my other stuff is DeWalt. A man in today's world has to have a few flavors in his toolbox.
Ur gunna make it on UA-cam fr I love you man just found you today. Wish you had more long videos 😢
This video was a real...... nail-bitter at 210psi! SAFETY QUINTS REQUIRED!!
Milwaukee uses nitrogen in nail guns preventing DIY repairs , so they claim , so little these have compressed air/nitrogen inside dont think it matters .
Hitachi/Hikoki/Meiabo HPT uses compressed air , with filler point easy access, you dont need to open whole tool.
Normal air we breathe is 70 percent nitrogen so technically you’re putting oxygen nitrogen in it
Safety squints won’t help you at 210 psi …
@@austincantrell2575In scuba diving we call it nitrox.
This was fantastic! Nice job 👍
Currently framing houses and we bought one as an extra for the portability and ease of use so we will see how it holds up from daily use this summer
HF sells an inexpensive set of security bits that cover every size and type of security screw. DeWalt uses #8 security screws in its battery cases.
Well….you nailed it. 👍
Thanks for the great tip.
As a timberframer, I top up my tank about every 18 months and I normally do 170 psi so it could sink 90mm ringshank into C24 timber. If you do too much pressure, it'll stall the motor, stop working
The new Makita is also made to be self serviceable and looks awesome.
But are there also cordless GASLESS(!!) nail guns that dont have that cylinder??
And It might actually finally be released a year from now...
Milwauke use nitrogen not air. which is why it isn't desgined to be diyer serviceable.
@@Doyle047 The Milwaukee gun is "supposed" to be charged with nitrogen. Just like when the dealership puts it in your tires and tells you you have to come to them to get your tires filled, I feel like it actually doesn't really matter if you just use normal air.
Nitrogen is absolutely enduser servicable
Amazing work!
It looks like they could’ve made a the service valve a lot easier to access.
The gun uses nitrogen not air which is why it isn't desgin to be serviced by a DIYer
The kicker is their sister brand Ridgid made their nail gun fillable with a bike pump, with valve accessible after removing a plastic cover.
the Ridgid is based a rebaged Senco which is why there is more difference between them. The milwaukee alo is meant to have nitrogen not air.
I feel like you could use a 90* elbow and drill a hole into the side of the casing to add a shrader valve so you dont need to take it apart everytime.
Also, the thing I've noticed with those shock pumps being a mountain biker, because they screw on and it's such high PSI you always lose a good bit of pressure when pulling it off. When I do my shocks I always aim higher then what I want and when I pull it off it's closer to the actual Pressure.
I like the dewalt framing nailer it gives you the Allen key need to pull it apart with the tool and it stays on the tool
I’ve had my framer hitachi for 5 years now and never done the re-gas 🤷🏻♂️ though does get a full clean and pneumatic air tool oil every year ish. your compressor oil looked very thick though. stuff I use is quite thin, takes a few days for the nail gun after the service to not send nails 10-15mm deep into the timber.
Thanks for the cool video! (as always ;) )
Well done💯👏👏👏👏👏
Awesome video tanks
I Found this video through a short recommended by the algorithm. Now I'm subscribing to find out what "somethin' dumb with two nail guns" is.
That's why I like the Metabo/Hitatchi guns with the access port and that are user refillable (and you can also add more psi easily to make it as powerful as you want). Also interested to see if the lifetime warranty on the new Flex ones includes recharging.
I love my Milwaukee stuff, but I've got to give Metabo props for that!
These are all based off the Senco patent. Senco’s own guns even let you re-gas easily. I don’t understand why Milwaukee had to be d bags about it.
the flex also has four screws on the back plate and you can get right to a fillport there similar to how metabo hpt works even has a sticker to tell you the psi makes it very easy
Nailed it thanks
Cool man thanks
Good video, great tip. One very small thing to note, I'm very sure its originally filled with Nitrogen. The molecules are larger, so leakage/seepage happens slower. Looks like regular air works, though, so, small detail
That is probably how it works, though it's probably not worth the hassle if they can be refilled
Yup the metabo hpt/Hitachi ones used to use nitrogen too but they stopped using it and just swapped for regular air with no problems, maybe a litttttle extra seepage but if the gun is serviceable it doesn't matter at all.
The air we breath is like 90 percent nitrogen.
@ds29912 approx 78. When you buy Hydrogen Peroxide at Walgreens, it's only 3%, if you buy vinegar to cook with, it's only 5%, but 6% or stronger for cleaning. So, there's definitely a difference between 78% and 99%.
Doing this now!
As a Milwaukee gun owner, I'll save this video for future 'reference'
Dean Doherty calls Milwaukee "designer tools"
planned obsolescence can be reasonable if fixing the problem is engineered in. this however is engineered not only to fail, but to not be serviceable, that should be criminal
Who would have thought an air tank would leak, definitely not Milwaukee. 😂
Milwaukee really messed up with this tool, now imagine how many nailers will end up in the bin because it would not be worth sending them back for service. Planned obsolesce.
There is a youtube channel named Dean Doherty focusing on tool repairs, he regularly says that quality vise, Milwaukee is a DIY tool at best, since they break too fast and in order to fix them he needs cannot just replace one specific part, but usually an entire assembly of them. I see plenty of people being happy with the brand, but there probably is a disparity between comfort of use/performance and durability.
@@petrsidlo7614 I am not familiar with that channel (will check it out though), but I do agree with him. The nailer is the perfect example!
Milwaukee is planned obsolescence, viral marketing, and fragile masculinity in a trenchcoat.
It’s got a massive chain, that’s nuts.
There's one important issue with using these valves, they don't have the pin to depress the stem inside the canister to get accurate reading of the current internal pressure. Some newer cordless pumps like M12 and M18 for example rely on that reading to stop pumping, basically you have to use "manual" pumping as in rely on compressor tank/regulator readings to pump to that value and hope it's correct. Hitachi attachment has that pin but might be slightly different in design though so if someone ever tries that on M18 please post your findings/experience.
They added that feature on the Ryobi and Ridgid framing nailer where you can pressurize it. I guess they finally got tired of fixing it with the Milwaukee, so expect a gen 2.
Hopefully they put it in the gen 2, that would be real nice
@@ItllProbablyWork I kinda want to just sell my Milwaukee and stick with my Hikoki. I have everything which includes the long magazine, but Hikoki also released their long magazine just a month ago.
beautiful
I think it would be better to fill with argon or nitrogen, less likely to leak past the seals, less moisture,etc. Just harder to control the pressure.
I think they use those screws so people don’t accidentally kill themselves.
I’ve worked trades for awhile and I think half my peers could do this safely but the other half…
Torx is already pretty much standard for most power tools for mechanical reasons, that's the main part, but it could be partially for liability too. If they make it reasonably difficult for the average joe to open up they can claim you went out of your way to open it and should have known what you were doing, in the event that you hurt yourself.
Seeing that it's an o-ring on the piston head, it would likely use silicone grease - or the same grease used on pneumatic nailer rebuild kits. Should also mention that the original fill is nitrogen. Nitrogen molecules are bigger so are less likely to leak or leak more slowly, so if you fill with regular air will have to refill sooner. An option is if you get a nitrogen cylinder refill kit or maybe a tire shop that does nitrogen refills - though I don't know if they can or would be willing to refill with that much pressure not knowing the integrity of the cylinder.
Air is 78% nitrogen.
@@mr.wizeguy8995 If 22% of your fill leaks out, you still have to refill.
That's the same BS excuse used for filling tires, the difference in leakage is negligible. The real reason a nitrogen fill would have been used is because it will have been dry, and it's an inert gas. This both prevents corrosion and eliminates the possibility of dieseling the cylinder lubricant.
@@ferrumignis Paslode gas chamber gets affected for normal air and it has zero harmful effects for it so why would Milwaukee chamber get defect when it's even closed chamber doesn't affect so much humidity changes etc.
@@ferrumignis I don't fill my tires with nitrogen for that exact reason. A tire is not a sealed metal cylinder designed to constantly pressurize at high instantaneous psi. Feel free to refill your cylinder more frequently.
Bro i did excatly what you did with a mountain bike pump , mine goes up to 150 psi and it was enough . Now the fraimer is like brand new but i forget to put oil in the cylinder i don't know if its a worry or not for the sustainability
If you didn't clean the grease off the cylinder and bolt you're probably okay. Cleaning and relubricating is mainly important to keeping your seals better for longer
Hahaha 300 bucks I spent over 600 bucks with the extend mag for the damn thing the first day they came out with them an I loved the huge crest wrench u used that was epic lol
I wondered if anyone would catch that wrench. 😉 It was the closest thing at the time
@@ItllProbablyWork good stuff least I know I can rebuild mine if needed
Now you gotta make a video on what youll do with 2 nail guns lol
It would be cool if you drilled a hole in the side of the body and used an extension hose or something so that the refill valve is accessible without dismantling the nail gun.
You could take apart the new one and check its pressure- just before educational purposes to once and for all tell the internet the OEM pressure Milwaukee sets it at
Hikoki has valve right at the back to do this.
Paslode and Hilti are the best nail guns.
Wonder if the PSI on that bike pump is accurate... Either way great fix! Had no idea how these worked.
If I had to guess the valve setup(there are two) was probably the biggest thing throwing off the measurements, hard to be sure though
That's not a bike pump. It's a shock pump.
High pressure, low volume.
They go up to 300PSI which are what high end mountain bike shocks are rated for.
Check the psi in the new one and your all set😂
Don't complain about security screws- anyone that is knowledgeable enough to work on tools, equipment, etc will have these bits as they're not exotic (and even come as part of larger bit kits these days). They're used to keep kids and people who have no idea what they're doing from messing around and damaging the tool (or themselves). They also provide legal protection.
If all you own is a flat and phillips head screwdriver you're not doing this kind of stuff anyway and likely aren't very handy.
What type of grease has someone used inside one of these nailers to lubricant the piston?
I just did this with my first fix and couldn't get it to work! Didn't allot me to pump it up!
I just got one apart, waiting on the special end to refill the tank. The tank itself says 102 PSI, just wondering if anyone else has fixed one and how much you put in. I saw another video where the guy put like 160-180
I just sent 2 nail guns in last week and got them back in less than a week, it was free and they pay for shipping as long as they are less than 5 yrs old, I had no receipts
A good warranty service would definitely help make up for some of the issue here. I bought mine used so I didn't think to try that
@@ItllProbablyWorkyou could probably still have gotten it done for free if the serial number shows less than 5 years from date of manufacturing. If the serial comes back less than 5 years it's free. I believe they even warn you this will happen in the manual and tell you that you'll have to send it in to get recharged for free once in a while.
If thats a schrader valve on the canister; couldnt you take out the valve with a remover tool and fill it with oil without dissassembly
You technically don't even need to relubricate anything, but I figured if the nail gun was leaking a proper cleaning and lubrication made sense
Maybe next time replace the o ring too on the cylinder
Just make sure when you pressurise the tank that the firing pin is all the way forward as if you've just fired a nail. If the pin is all the way back ready to fire & you fill the tank you're only filling the part behind the plunger & you won't have the required pressure. Also before working on these make sure to purge the air & make sure firing pin is all the way forward to make sure gun is safe to work on.
Also 210 psi sounds way too high to me. The metabo/ hikoki Framing nailer only needs 72.5 psi with the special air regulator used to refill them
well that was entertaining
Milwaukee also sells the safety torx bits.
Milwaukee uses nitrogen not air so that may be one of the reasons they don’t want you filling the cylinder. I honestly don’t know if it makes a difference they say it does.
The atmosphere is 78% nitrogen bud
Exactly, was looking for this comment 👍
@@evictioncarpentry2628 are you trying to say that putting air in is the same as putting straight nitrogen in because it’s not bud. Air condensates easier than nitrogen. Which I’m assuming may be one of the reasons for the nitrogen
@@steffendetrick OK, here's some facts.
Every nail gun on the market right now uses the same technology. They all license Sencos patent.
There are easily half a dozen other guns on the market now and a few of those are user rechargeable with compressed air. Are all those other companies wrong? (Two of the them are the same parent company TTI as Milwaukee) I don't see anyone having an issue with them.
There is no difference in this case of pure nitrogen or atmospheric compressed air.
@@evictioncarpentry2628 Im well aware that it’s a senco patent . what does that have to do with anything? Just because a company license a patent from another that doesn’t mean that the technology in all of those brands that licensed it are going to be the same. Each company is going to implement their own design type that technology. I clearly said I’m not sure why they use nitrogen but it does not condensate as easily as air does. Milwaukee probably has there reasons for using nitrogen. your rant accomplished nothing.🤦♂️ you’re not telling anybody anything new and you’re not addressing anything that I said. I guess that was supposed to be a flex.😂 like I said, there is definitely a difference between pure nitrogen and compressed or “ atmospheric air”. One condensates easier -air, which is also why you have to drain your compressor.
will this work on a 18 gauge nail gun.
I had an issue like this. Bought the valve adapter and tried to add pressure, seemed like it took air but i cannot get it to fire a nail in more then half way of a 3" nail. Daum you
Milwaukee!!
You might need to put in more pressure, as the video mentioned I ended up putting a lot more than I expected I would need to. You might also check your seals
@@ItllProbablyWork i only have a compressor and it goes to 120PSI i noticed.. so yea more PSI might fix it
@@stabila9706 You can adjust limit on compressor pressure switch temporary to increase the upper limit BUT it would also depend on compressor and I wouldn't go above 160PSI, some compressors are set up for 155PSI from the factory too.
Noice!!
The Hitachi accessories isn't meant to be sold to the consumer just dealers and repair agents. Also the Milwaukee service portal recommends 125 PSI of nitrogen.
Couldn't you check the pressure in the new one? I'm just curious what the psi in the new one is
So it uses nitrogen rather than normal air, so that'll be a little different. But the other issue is the way the valve system works it's pretty difficult to actually check the pressure already in the cylinder
If you buy it used and it's within 5 years of the manufacture date it's covered under warranty and they'll recharge it for free.
You think its crazy but if you loosen the allen wrench locking pin you can turn the cylinder refill nozzle up then drill a hole through case. NEVER HAVE TO OPEN IT TO RECHARGE IT AGAIN
Where exactly is this alley wrench locking pin located??
@@bmanmitch2005 mine was ontop of where the cylinder threads into gear area
@@mattrumbattrum9952 Ok, did you thread a Schrader valve into it there?
The screw was by the threads for the cylinder housing and the schraeder valve was going down into handle. I turned it to face out the riggt side of gun. So i got a dewalt cordless tire inflator and it goes up to 160 psi to refill the cylinder
Like every tool you buy it’s called they all need maintenance which most people neglect.
AEG/RIDGID is the Best. compressed air to 125 PSI. You dont have to take the gun apart to refill the air it already has a Allen Key nut to with an access panel and you hook up the air hose..
I though Milwaukee ran on Nitrogen
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That BST Schrader valve doesn't work for the 30 degree Milwaukee nail framer. The Schrader port is too long and the BST Schrader valve is too short ..Has anyone tried the Hitachi reduction valve???Please let me know, Thanks in advance.
Can send the link to the Schrader valve you used
I put it in the description, but here it is again:
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This has I did a thing feel to it.
What type of air pump are you using?. Thanks for the great service info in this video
A bike shock pump. It's designed to relatively high pressures (for a Schrader valve)
Good video i just think the volume was a bit low
I bet I could make that kind of drillbit by drilling a hole in the tip of a star bit(that’s what I called that shape bit)
Oh ya, though they're also not too hard to find at a hardware store. The security screw aspect is mainly an unnecessary annoyat
yeah its just a security torx usually T10 on most tools
Hate to tell you this if you ever need parts you're screwed
My buddy has a Metabo and it has a nipple to pressurize. You'd think Milwaukee would.
That is because Milwauke use nitrogen not air
Is the pump you used like just a simple bicycle pump to fill tires? Also do you know if this fix will work with their 23 gauge pin nailer?
So skip the steps and air it up, then when it needs to be repressurized, do the rest of the steps because you loosing air through leaks
if you typed the serial number on Milwaukee's site it might still be under warranty. maybe you could of had them fix it for free
Ryobi just has a valve you can fill it up on the outside and it takes me 2 seconds to fill it up
How do you like the Ryobi?
Don't they use nitrogen in tanks for pressure?
Yes they do and they're maintenance free
@@charlieaddlesee8834 All pressurized systems leak and the maintenance free part is that you do not oil or lube anything.
Milwaukee does this for free, but it takes a month.
I thought they filled it with nitrogen? Wonder if that makes any difference. I guess air is mostly nitrogen anyways, but I wouldn't want the oxygen playing havoc with anything. What with that oxidation business.
I was led to believe that Milwaukee pressurize their nail guns with "Nitrogen". Not just compressed air. I see it does work with air, but just be cautious with it.
You are correct milwaukee use a nitrogen spring mechanism in their nail guns which make them maintainence free
New vs old
They quoted me 275 to fix mine.i still have to pull it apart.
Jjust know the Milwauke use nitrogen not air.
Apparently, Milwaukee fill theirs with nitrogen out of the factory.
Go for 350 psi now!
When you want to nail the 2"x4" to the neighbor three houses down.
In the Milwaukee nail guns, it’s nitrogen not air.
All you needed to do was air it up.
Milwaukee uses nitrogen air
Yep, and it is nicer to have, but it's not necessary
air is made up of 78 percent nitrogen anyway so shouldnt be too crazy of a difference
@nickp3270 if that was the case they'd use that as it's free,Straight nitrogen and air are very different.
just generic vacuum greese.
Just get the Metabo/Hitachi nail guns.
Lol why would you down grade from Milwaukee to Metabo 😂😂😂😂
@@johnthumble5154 metabo is fixable vs Milwaukee not so much, made to throw away when broken. Dean Doherty has a tool channel on UA-cam that shows the inside of most tools when broken and how to fix them or not.
Hitachi/Metabo nail guns have been high quality since the 90's. Their battery powered models are very good and can be re-pressurized easier than the Milwaukee. Even the Ridgid and Ryobi are field serviceable.
@@chrisd6334 they're also complete junk.
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@@chrisd6334 high quality? That's a funny way of spelling underpowered.
Milwaukee uses 100% nitrogen. Not sure how the 78% nitrogen air mixture affects the tool.
Very little. It might be slightly more affected by the ambient temperature. Plenty of other nail guns use normal air
@@ItllProbablyWork I dare to disagree. For best results, it has to be 100% Nitrogen. For many other reasons then just compressibility. Oxygen and other gases are far more reactive at high pressure and may even cause some oil and grease to self ignite. That, I guarantee, improves anyone's hair style for a while. O rings are also affected by oxygen. By the way, in another life, I worked with 400 PSI air systems. (Rock drills namely) And also, Nitrogen filled dampers. I know you do not fill with air something designed for 100% Nitrogen. It's gonna work up until it doesn't.
Nice job mate. 180 psi is more than an air nailer. That’s why this technology is a gimmick. Paslode is real deal.
Different ways of getting the same results. Every option has tradeoffs
good vid, although leave the comedy to the professionals thx
Wd40, thank me later
The Milwaukee gun is "supposed" to be charged with nitrogen. Just like when the dealership puts it in your tires and tells you you have to come to them to get your tires filled, I feel like it actually doesn't really matter if you just use normal air.
So far it hasn't mattered in testing, I imagine there's marginal performance improvements, but it's not worth the cost and effort
@@ItllProbablyWorkthat's because these tools are for big boys not diyers. You clearly don't understand anything your talking about.
Try using the depth gauge ding bat, Or better yet stick to hammer and nails it's probably more within your capabilities.