so you see a moment you want to capture, how many seconds it takes to take your first picture The size of the camera already quet large, then the phone. WHy not just use a6000 that same size and takes 0 seconds to power up???
@@Amazing_nature_videos339 good point. But when I take my digital camera out and it’s asleep it’s still 10 seconds. If I was intentionally out filming or taking photos then my camera wouldn’t be asleep, neither would my Alice camera.
Hi. I’ve been trying to get hold of the guys at alice via email but there has been no replies. No replies via pm on social media as well. What is going on? I’ve made a preorder for the september shipment. When will it happen?
Are you a related person?? No one had a camera. After reading the review, I understand why delivery was delayed. The features they mentioned aren't quite ready. Even the slow autofocus of cameras from 10 years ago is not yet ready, coming soon?? It's like a review that appeases bad public opinion by saying, "Just wait because it's real." (But it's not as good as they said.) And people don't know because they always delete bad comments.
@@mnmnmnmn4541 I’m not related. I bought them (like all my gadgets) with my own money. I interviewed Vishal on this channel about three years ago so I’m an early adopter.
Super interested in this. I think auto focus is a MUST before i take the plunge though. You mention live streaming from it, does it integrate with the likes you Instagram/UA-cam? Or can you stream to those platforms from their app? Great video, cheers boss.
@@Parallel_ hey! So the next app version will allow you to stream direct to those platforms. Yes autofocus is soooooo important! Coming very soon. I shall be testing that next week. I suck at photography at the best of times, so manual focus just makes everything garbage for me! 😂
What are the benefits over using a dedicated camera? You say that this camera in the hands of a good photographer will yield better results than the Leica Q3. How? What does this camera bring to the table that the Q3 doesn't?
So the comparison I made is that if someone knows what they’re doing, they’ll get equal or better results from this, than an amateur like me would get from a Q3.
@@allthegearnoidea69 Sure, but the same applies to this camera vs a smart phone; someone that knows what they're doing will get equal or better results from their smart phone than an amateur will get out of the Alice camera. I really like the concept of this camera. But modern mirrorless camera's are already able to be constantly connected to your phone, so that you have a lower resolution image directly on your phone to share online. What does this camera do better?
This product simply makes no sense ))) You can sell anything on the internet these days using stretched and absurd comparisons like this (and modern digital marketing techniques), I guess 😅
His comparison is literally equivalent to saying that an F1 professional racer will do a faster lap on a track driving an average car than an average person driving an F1 car.
I am for the idea of the Alice Camera, but at it's current price point it really is not worth it. Comparing it to my Canon M50 (Or the newer Canon R50) which both can be found new for the same price or cheaper, without a wait-list, the choice is simple. (Going on the new price of the Alice, and not the "sale" price). I don't know if I can live-stream from my M50 via my phone since I only use it for photography, but since the Alice does not (yet) have auto focus, you're better off using your phone anyways. As for the vlogging bit, it does seem inconvenient to have your phone (read display) at a different position from the camera itself. I won't say if it is problematic or not, as again, I don't do this and have no experience with it. I would also like to see a built in flash on the Alice, I am assuming it now uses the flash on your phone, which is not even remotely comparable to even a built in flash on a DSLR or Mirrorless. Another downside I see is that you now have to make sure both the camera and your phone is charged. Most people keep their phone charged overnight anyways, but many have low battery at the end of the day. If you want to go out and use the camera after school or work, you might run into the problem of waiting for a device to charge. This is a minor problem though, and I'm not going to hold it against the Alice, just something to keep in mind. The Canon cameras also connect to your phone over WiFi and provide, from what I can tell from your review, the same features. If the Alice was at 300 USD and not 950 USD, with a built in flash and with a better, more fleshed out software, hell yes. A decent body where you essentially only pay for a camera sensor using your phone for all the processing is brilliant for someone that want a cheap entry into photography, when done well. I would like to the the Alice, side by side with a camera at the same price with a equal lens to properly understand what the camera is capable of when it comes to photography.
@@allthegearnoidea69 With the price of the Alice camera (off sale) being listed at $1295 on their website, I'm leaning towards two options at the same pricepoint: Canon EOS R10 Mirrorless Camera with 18-45mm Lens Content Creator Kit - $1299 (Includes lens and microphone - camera with lens on it's own is cheaper) Sony a6400 Mirrorless Camera with 55-210mm Lens Kit - $1196 (Prices gathered from B&H photo) I come from a photography viewpoint, so that's what I'm most interrested in, but would be nice to see how they go up against eachother in video as well.
This can only be an incentivised 'review' as original backers like me - Contribution ID 206, Contribution Date February 13, 2021 - do NOT have their cameras. Alice do not have a working APK for Android. This has been a ruined project, principally through the appalling manner Alice has treated the people that have supported them with their money.
@@sprintrider100 when I posted this video I had 600 subs. You think they’d incentivise me?! What about tech radar who published my review? Did they incentivise me too? Jog on. I was in as a backer, within the first 10 minutes of this going live. Long before 206.
You (and Alice) are trying to convince us that forking out 600 pounds for a semi-camera body without a screen, without a lens that has an additional variable to manage which is the phone’s battery makes MORE sense than learning how to use a camera and get one instead? Can someone who signed up for a preorder please help me understand why?
It looks like shit, you cannot even hold the camera without the phone getting in the way and touching the screen. The other failed ideas with a sensor attaching to the phone like sony and olympus did was better, but still a fail
@@Culturelens I made a video last week rigging it out. It’s epic for that! Although I’d say McLaren is a better example than red bull right now mate! 😂
@@cristibaluta you’re a cheerful waste of space aren’t you? Literally every comment is you moaning and whining like a little baby! Haven’t heard from you since yesterday though. Did mummy change the WiFi password again because you didn’t do your homework?
How can your conclusion be "I am completely sold" after demonstrating that you really struggle to take photographs of non-moving subjects due to having no EVF and no AF. You also criticize the way MF works. But your conclusion is not reflecting this criticism in any way and therefore does not feel genuine to me.
I’m sold on the feel, the idea, the results I got in spite of the current limitations. Autofocus is on the way. I love what these kids did. I’m a big fan of it. That’s how my conclusion came about.
Having had an Olympus Air... finally... a replacement This with the Panasonic F1.7 20mm nicely fills that gap in coverage between 24mm and 95-125mm most cameraphones have. And it's such fun to shoot tethered remotely (I still use a Sony QX just to do that, but it's getting pretty old).
@@allthegearnoidea69 I mentioned this because you said even with your phone ( brand) u couldn't get a better dynamic range. Some people would feel a phone contribute anything in that regard.
I have an Olympus camera. I have a number of Olympus lenses. Some expensive and some very inexpensive. None of them are 'crap'. Please find a different excuse for your poor quality photo.
@@allthegearnoidea69 You must be the unluckiest "reviewer" on UA-cam. I've never found anyone else complain about the performance of Olympus lenses. As for the name calling...if you have to resort to "ad hominen" attacks you've lost your credibility.
@@stankell3629 I’ve forgotten more about Latin and English than you’ll ever learn, child. Your original comment was a pointless cheap shot. I replied in the same tone. That is not ad hominem. For you, donkey is a compliment. Here endeth the lesson.
@@allthegearnoidea69 So, are you trying to find out whether all that equipment will make you a better photographer/videographer, or is it just GAS for the sake of kicks.
@@cristibaluta As I am order #1999 I think we can assume they have about… 2000? I get the impression you are not impressed, although I cannot put my finger on it as to why. 😊
@@carlchilley4585 Well, only 2 received it then, this guy and that girl with a mft channel. I'm not impressed because it looks like a brick and it tries to solve a problem that does not exist making it worse. Sony and olympus tried it too
Honestly i loved the idea but seeing the actual product i'm quite disappointed. The reason most people in general use their phones to take photos is the convenience of having it in their pocket. This , once equipped is bigger than some actual mirrorless cameras. Because the image is transmitted over wifi and not cable, there is a noticeable delay , which is not great. I would have loved a much smaller "sensor only" type of system that can be easily pocketed but in the current format you have no reason to pay for that. It's not small enough to carry everywhere, it's not even using the phone's superior computing capabilities which for me would've been to be able to edit the raw right there on the phone in a fast way or at least have some way to make heavy edits or profiles directly on camera. This is just a camera without a screen which is stupid. Also your video reeks of sponsored content and is really the best anti-ad i've ever seen. Now i know i'd never buy that thing.
@@aazdu03 your response started off really well! But that last part! 😂 I’ve got about twenty viewers for most videos mate. And there is no amount of money they could pay me to endorse them if I didn’t believe in it. Look at my videos where I’m slagging off Leica cameras!
so you see a moment you want to capture, how many seconds it takes to take your first picture
The size of the camera already quet large, then the phone. WHy not just use a6000 that same size and takes 0 seconds to power up???
@@Amazing_nature_videos339 good point. But when I take my digital camera out and it’s asleep it’s still 10 seconds. If I was intentionally out filming or taking photos then my camera wouldn’t be asleep, neither would my Alice camera.
The size is just perfect. leave it as it is
@@allthegearnoidea69 lmao when i take my digital camera and it's asleep it's turning on instantly
Hi. I’ve been trying to get hold of the guys at alice via email but there has been no replies. No replies via pm on social media as well. What is going on? I’ve made a preorder for the september shipment. When will it happen?
@@adrianzg yeah I keep hearing this from other people. If you watch the video you’ll see I waited three years.
Are you a related person?? No one had a camera. After reading the review, I understand why delivery was delayed. The features they mentioned aren't quite ready. Even the slow autofocus of cameras from 10 years ago is not yet ready, coming soon?? It's like a review that appeases bad public opinion by saying, "Just wait because it's real." (But it's not as good as they said.) And people don't know because they always delete bad comments.
@@mnmnmnmn4541 I’m not related. I bought them (like all my gadgets) with my own money. I interviewed Vishal on this channel about three years ago so I’m an early adopter.
Really helpful video - thank you
Glad you enjoyed it! Can you do up my warehouse?!
Super interested in this. I think auto focus is a MUST before i take the plunge though.
You mention live streaming from it, does it integrate with the likes you Instagram/UA-cam? Or can you stream to those platforms from their app?
Great video, cheers boss.
@@Parallel_ hey! So the next app version will allow you to stream direct to those platforms. Yes autofocus is soooooo important! Coming very soon. I shall be testing that next week. I suck at photography at the best of times, so manual focus just makes everything garbage for me! 😂
@@allthegearnoidea69 If you suck at photography why do you need a camera? With 600 you can buy a really good mft, with ibis and af.
You suck at living and yet here you are, still.
What are the benefits over using a dedicated camera?
You say that this camera in the hands of a good photographer will yield better results than the Leica Q3. How? What does this camera bring to the table that the Q3 doesn't?
So the comparison I made is that if someone knows what they’re doing, they’ll get equal or better results from this, than an amateur like me would get from a Q3.
@@allthegearnoidea69 Sure, but the same applies to this camera vs a smart phone; someone that knows what they're doing will get equal or better results from their smart phone than an amateur will get out of the Alice camera.
I really like the concept of this camera. But modern mirrorless camera's are already able to be constantly connected to your phone, so that you have a lower resolution image directly on your phone to share online. What does this camera do better?
This product simply makes no sense ))) You can sell anything on the internet these days using stretched and absurd comparisons like this (and modern digital marketing techniques), I guess 😅
His comparison is literally equivalent to saying that an F1 professional racer will do a faster lap on a track driving an average car than an average person driving an F1 car.
@@raskolnikov11223 shows how little you know about cameras if you think a Q3 is the car equivalent of F1.
I am for the idea of the Alice Camera, but at it's current price point it really is not worth it.
Comparing it to my Canon M50 (Or the newer Canon R50) which both can be found new for the same price or cheaper, without a wait-list, the choice is simple. (Going on the new price of the Alice, and not the "sale" price). I don't know if I can live-stream from my M50 via my phone since I only use it for photography, but since the Alice does not (yet) have auto focus, you're better off using your phone anyways.
As for the vlogging bit, it does seem inconvenient to have your phone (read display) at a different position from the camera itself.
I won't say if it is problematic or not, as again, I don't do this and have no experience with it.
I would also like to see a built in flash on the Alice, I am assuming it now uses the flash on your phone, which is not even remotely comparable to even a built in flash on a DSLR or Mirrorless.
Another downside I see is that you now have to make sure both the camera and your phone is charged. Most people keep their phone charged overnight anyways, but many have low battery at the end of the day. If you want to go out and use the camera after school or work, you might run into the problem of waiting for a device to charge. This is a minor problem though, and I'm not going to hold it against the Alice, just something to keep in mind.
The Canon cameras also connect to your phone over WiFi and provide, from what I can tell from your review, the same features.
If the Alice was at 300 USD and not 950 USD, with a built in flash and with a better, more fleshed out software, hell yes.
A decent body where you essentially only pay for a camera sensor using your phone for all the processing is brilliant for someone that want a cheap entry into photography, when done well.
I would like to the the Alice, side by side with a camera at the same price with a equal lens to properly understand what the camera is capable of when it comes to photography.
@@charliegolf2730 I’ll do a review like this. Comparing like for like. What camera do you want me to buy to test it against?
@@allthegearnoidea69 With the price of the Alice camera (off sale) being listed at $1295 on their website, I'm leaning towards two options at the same pricepoint:
Canon EOS R10 Mirrorless Camera with 18-45mm Lens Content Creator Kit - $1299 (Includes lens and microphone - camera with lens on it's own is cheaper)
Sony a6400 Mirrorless Camera with 55-210mm Lens Kit - $1196
(Prices gathered from B&H photo)
I come from a photography viewpoint, so that's what I'm most interrested in, but would be nice to see how they go up against eachother in video as well.
日本企業が10年前にやってた事が、今になって世界が作るとはなぁ。
This can only be an incentivised 'review' as original backers like me - Contribution ID 206, Contribution Date February 13, 2021 - do NOT have their cameras. Alice do not have a working APK for Android. This has been a ruined project, principally through the appalling manner Alice has treated the people that have supported them with their money.
@@sprintrider100 when I posted this video I had 600 subs. You think they’d incentivise me?! What about tech radar who published my review? Did they incentivise me too? Jog on. I was in as a backer, within the first 10 minutes of this going live. Long before 206.
@@allthegearnoidea69 the very first video on this channel is literally an interview with alice camera ceo kekw
How did you get yours sooo quickly? I'm still waiting for mine! I think I am order #1998
@@cnproductions1288 I was among the first 100 mate! I would have been the absolute first order but the indiegogo site kept crashing. 🙈
I am #1999! 😂
You (and Alice) are trying to convince us that forking out 600 pounds for a semi-camera body without a screen, without a lens that has an additional variable to manage which is the phone’s battery makes MORE sense than learning how to use a camera and get one instead?
Can someone who signed up for a preorder please help me understand why?
@@raskolnikov11223 I don’t think it’s for people who don’t have a camera. Quite the opposite.
It looks like shit, you cannot even hold the camera without the phone getting in the way and touching the screen. The other failed ideas with a sensor attaching to the phone like sony and olympus did was better, but still a fail
@@cristibalutaPeople said redbull was shit too. See as they turned out today?
I think rigging this camera out is where it will shine most.
@@Culturelens I made a video last week rigging it out. It’s epic for that! Although I’d say McLaren is a better example than red bull right now mate! 😂
@@cristibaluta you’re a cheerful waste of space aren’t you? Literally every comment is you moaning and whining like a little baby! Haven’t heard from you since yesterday though. Did mummy change the WiFi password again because you didn’t do your homework?
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@@luancarlos3792 obrigado! I’ll make one soon!
This somewhat feels like paid promotion rather than a genuine review...
@@atjungeelektrahahahahaha with twenty odd subscribers I can see why they’d want to pay me!
Yeah. The guy has two of them...
How can your conclusion be "I am completely sold" after demonstrating that you really struggle to take photographs of non-moving subjects due to having no EVF and no AF. You also criticize the way MF works. But your conclusion is not reflecting this criticism in any way and therefore does not feel genuine to me.
I’m sold on the feel, the idea, the results I got in spite of the current limitations. Autofocus is on the way. I love what these kids did. I’m a big fan of it. That’s how my conclusion came about.
@@allthegearnoidea69 Thank you for the response. Let's hope that the product will align with your idea of it in the end.
Nope, can't carry itself to success. A product doomed to fail.
Having had an Olympus Air... finally... a replacement This with the Panasonic F1.7 20mm nicely fills that gap in coverage between 24mm and 95-125mm most cameraphones have. And it's such fun to shoot tethered remotely (I still use a Sony QX just to do that, but it's getting pretty old).
@@nikytamayo I just picked up the 12-60 lumix which is a lot of fun too! Must check out the 20 you’ve got too. Thanks.
@@allthegearnoidea69 it's the best pocket carry lens for the M43 system really. I've done entire jobs with that lens alone!
Preordered mine about a year ago! So insane to see one in the flesh there.
@@Corleoneculero69 you won’t regret it! It’s so good!
Did you use nd filter? No. Even with a 15 pro max? Your phone is just a screen for rhe camera. nothing more nothing else
@@Culturelens no I didn’t. None of my lenses have such a small thread. And yes I know what my phone is for.
@@allthegearnoidea69 I mentioned this because you said even with your phone ( brand) u couldn't get a better dynamic range. Some people would feel a phone contribute anything in that regard.
Sorry! I wasn’t really clear. What I meant was (and didn’t film) is if I was using an EVF I wouldn’t have this problem!
@@allthegearnoidea69 Thanks brother
@@Culturelens anytime. I never actually expect anyone but my kids to watch these videos when I’m dead! 😂
"World's first actual review"??? Hardly the case with there being loads of reviews, or do you mean the first review of someone liking it?
@@polisheverything1970 no one else has reviewed the production units. Everyone else was pre production.
I have an Olympus camera. I have a number of Olympus lenses. Some expensive and some very inexpensive. None of them are 'crap'. Please find a different excuse for your poor quality photo.
@@stankell3629 this one IS crap. It’s a second hand lens. Come up with better you donkey.
@@allthegearnoidea69 You must be the unluckiest "reviewer" on UA-cam. I've never found anyone else complain about the performance of Olympus lenses. As for the name calling...if you have to resort to "ad hominen" attacks you've lost your credibility.
@@stankell3629 I’ve forgotten more about Latin and English than you’ll ever learn, child. Your original comment was a pointless cheap shot. I replied in the same tone. That is not ad hominem. For you, donkey is a compliment. Here endeth the lesson.
@@allthegearnoidea69 just stop it. you're embarrassing yourself. you got called out...live with it and trying moving on.
“And try moving on”. Another free lesson, child.
What a waste of technology, and effort. Get a real camera and be done with it.
@@motebike I have three Leicas, a limited edition Fuji X100VI, a plethora of Sony and lumix cameras and more lenses than you could shake a stick at.
@@allthegearnoidea69 So, are you trying to find out whether all that equipment will make you a better photographer/videographer, or is it just GAS for the sake of kicks.
What a guy… buys two just to share the experience with us!!
@@TheTennisMentor ha! Back when I bought them at always wanted one fixed for video and the other for photography!
And they sold only 2
@@cristibaluta As I am order #1999 I think we can assume they have about… 2000?
I get the impression you are not impressed, although I cannot put my finger on it as to why. 😊
@@carlchilley4585 Well, only 2 received it then, this guy and that girl with a mft channel. I'm not impressed because it looks like a brick and it tries to solve a problem that does not exist making it worse. Sony and olympus tried it too
@@carlchilley4585 I can tell you why if this dude wouldn't delete comments
Tbh i would have rather had a grip that allows to have manual controls for your phone, like wheels and back button focus.
This is just excellent. it is what it is
Honestly i loved the idea but seeing the actual product i'm quite disappointed. The reason most people in general use their phones to take photos is the convenience of having it in their pocket. This , once equipped is bigger than some actual mirrorless cameras. Because the image is transmitted over wifi and not cable, there is a noticeable delay , which is not great. I would have loved a much smaller "sensor only" type of system that can be easily pocketed but in the current format you have no reason to pay for that. It's not small enough to carry everywhere, it's not even using the phone's superior computing capabilities which for me would've been to be able to edit the raw right there on the phone in a fast way or at least have some way to make heavy edits or profiles directly on camera. This is just a camera without a screen which is stupid.
Also your video reeks of sponsored content and is really the best anti-ad i've ever seen. Now i know i'd never buy that thing.
@@aazdu03 your response started off really well! But that last part! 😂 I’ve got about twenty viewers for most videos mate. And there is no amount of money they could pay me to endorse them if I didn’t believe in it. Look at my videos where I’m slagging off Leica cameras!
Garbage for a Grand!!!
Tell me what you really think! 😂
Does not look great tbh
@@houghwhite411 I absolutely love the look of it. It could improve though.
Cool system, probably not for me.
what? just no !