Alice Camera WORLD FIRST in-depth Preview!
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- Опубліковано 31 лип 2024
- This is Alice Camera, an AI powered, micro four thirds mirrorless camera that you control with your phone! Here is everything you need to know!
Learn more about Alice Camera here! www.alice.camera/
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Timestamps:
00:00 what is Alice Camera?
02:00 hardware tour
03:00 specs
04:40 ergonomics
05:30 app tour
08:00 Alice Demo 1
08:30 who is Alice for and Demo 2
10:35 Alice Demo 3
11:20 video specs
11:40 who else is Alice for?
13:40 range finder focusing for manual lenses
14:20 Alice for EDC?
14:46 who is Alice NOT for?
15:35 How is Alice Camera different from other cameras?
17:35 open source camera?
18:10 Stabilisation Demo
18:55 what about Auto Focus???!
20:20 production update!!!
20:50 what do I want to see in future?
22:10 what do I think of Alice Camera?
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So what do you think?? Make sure to subscribe for updates on this project - i'll do a follow up video as more features become available 😊
Thanks so much for the world first hands-on preview, Emily! It’s such a wonderful video and we encourage everyone to go watch and learn more about the Alice Camera 😁 📸
@@thealicecameraim really impressed by how this is shaping up especially from a newer more independent company, super cool. the only thing that i could think could be an amazing addition is the option of a log profile/10bit footage in some way. that would make this a super versatile vlogging camera(gopro stabe, high dynamic range, nice colors, mic input, can see yourself in focus with phone, and good autofocus, plus the fact it has a much larger sensor than an action cam)
what's the best lens for food photography for the Alice ?
A great preview I'm looking forward to seeing my Alice in December. I'm still concerned about the 12mp sensor but they assure me that isn't an issue.
This is the update to the Olympus Air that we never got! Super excited to see mirrorless merge with smartphones (with m4/3 lenses too). I've always thought that if they could combine the convenience and computational smarts of a phone with the sensor and lenses of "real" camera, we'd have a sure fire winner of a product. You didn't address the issue of price. I heard way back that the Alice camera was quite pricey. That could put a dampener on things.
I hope that Alice Camera sees this comment when I say that this absolutely needs a swappable battery (and SD card for that matter). All of the future-proofing firmware updates won't mean a thing if the unit can't stay powered on because the battery degraded over time. And I mean user-swappable battery. Not sending the unit in for service/replacement.
This also needs strap lugs on both sides of the unit so users have the option to wear it around their neck (rather than limiting it to a wrist strap).
Agreed, It's just blatant spite for the customer. Just like with the pixi. I don't understand how you can be designing a product and you specifically choose to ommit standard features present on all good versions of the thing you're making.
yeah the battery situation is completely unacceptable.
i can understand the lack of sd slot since you'll be using it with your phone and sending everything to that anyway but there's absolutely no defending the non-replacable battery.
Yep this is trash without bring able to swap batteries.
Please excuse my lack of knowledge: could you please explain to me what would be the difference between Alice and, for example, a camera that allows you to use your cell phone as a monitor? What's the big difference? Thank you very much
@@MiguelCarino First I would say that you have to use provided app and Alice lacks any tactile controls which are simply faster, you also loose EVF which is a godsent for bright days etc. Etc.
Main difference is that you slap bigger sensor on the back of your phone and then your phone has to take care of powering it (or charging it's battery), image processing and storage (that means it's going to heat up pretty damn fast) instead of a dedicated device built all around said sensor.
My very first thoughts when i saw this video:
Battery life of the unit, and what it does to the battery life of your phone
Viewfinder latency, due to the wireless nature
Viewfinder quality/compression, due to wireless nature
Does it connect over wifi? Does this stop you from using regular wifi/mobile networks while connected to the camera?
Kind of shocked none of this was touched on, it seems like all of this would be make or break for both use of the device and use of your phone with the device. If connecting to the camera stops your phone from being useful as a phone or kills the battery, and the experience as a camera is mediocre due to the display, then this device would fail on all fronts.
LOVE LOVE your backdrop. The COLOR of that shot is perfection.
Thanks so much! I am so happy to have my tiny cameras on display properly finally! 🙏
Totally agree! It’s just a damned nice presentation!
Just spit out the raw data from the sensor and make the lens protocols public and let the community improve both IS and AF. THIS IS BRILLIANT!
Love the holiday themed lighting in your studio. So nice!
its using a micro 4/3rds its already a known sensor and mount, would be nice if they went for the GH6 sensor instead of the GH5
@@LACruz-fk8zb raw data as in dynamic range, ISO performance and so on
Great preview, thanks for sharing. You broke down all the key features very well, and anticipated my questions just as they came up.
Super interesting piece of kit! Loved your video and the fact that you tested it THOROUGHLY for us :D It's good that people are pushing the boat out there and somewhat re-inventing the camera.
Fun video Emily! I agree with one of your comments about your background. Loving the colors. If you get bored please do a video on your backdrop. Would love to see what's back there!!
Wow! This could be impressive for social media folks…hadn’t heard of this, but from what you showed it looked great. Risk and reward go together. Look forward to see what it can do. Wonderful video!
Thanks Gordon! 🙏📷
Thanks for your kind comment, Gordon! 😀
@@thealicecamera exciting!
FYI they started taking peoples money 3 years ago and said it would launch mid 2021. So don't put much trust into this thing.
@KiinaSu yeah it is unfortunate, that was explained to me. I think at the end of the day, Alice Camera is a small team (8 individuals) and the double hit of covid/lockdowns, and then the international chip shortage has delayed brands a lot bigger than them. I'm definitely not excusing it but it was very much extraordinary circumstances, so I do have empathy for the situation
Love your channel BTW... You've improved over the last year! Obviously love what you're doing. 🙏❤️
Smashing video as always! Very interesting Camera, I have been saying they need to do something along these lines for ages! :D
Thanks for getting into specifics! I know the Alice team shares info, but a second viewpoint is great. I’m a M43 user. Best wishes for the success of Alice.
Thank you for you very kind comment!
Fantastic video about an amazing product. I found your presentation really fun and engaging and you clearly know your photography. I’m a UK based early backer and am waiting for the Alice camera to drop on my door so I can put it to use. I’m not a content creator but will be using the camera in a professional capacity and it’s a game changer for me.
It helps that my daughter is also called Alice so it was an easy decision for me all around.
Keep up the great content. New subscriber 👍🏻
As a photography nerd backer , its been a long wait so eagerly awaiting its arrival to join my collection! Good preview Emily
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Coming soon Adam! :)
@@thealicecamera Looking forward to it 👌🏽😎
Thank you for the video about the prototype of the Alice camera. Never heard of it before. We have often talked among friends that there should be a camera that shares its functions with an adapted smartphone, like Alice Camera does. However, we thought that the camera section would be then more compact. The chunky housing gives the impression that the design was planned as the final stage of development. In any case, this Alice concept has more of a future than smartphones with increasingly powerful "AI" cameras but mini sensors.
I heard for it the hard way, I preordered it in January 2022 paying good money, should have gotten it in April 2022. Never got it, no word of a REAL shipping or of a refund: Alice SCAMera.
Its a cool concept - but at the end of the day the price is silly. They are pricing this camera at the same level as some of the best four thirds mirrorless camera, but this one can only be used with a phone... If it were $500 it would make more sence, but $1295??? They have priced themselves well above the value of what their intended audience would be willing to pay.
Very nice review, thanks a lot for putting this promising new camera on my radar!
It's great to see that you got more hands on time with the Alice Camera! Such an interesting design, and definitely something that could be very useful for those who are already shooting on their phones!
Thanks for your comment and support, Josh! A step-up from a smartphone with a familiar user-experience! 🙌
Wow the backdrop and the lighting is so so so cool!
Ok firstly I love your vibe and presentation your love of cameras and the community shines through..✨️ ✨️..I like your use cases for Alice and agree..keep up the great work .
Such an entertaining and informative video--well done!
Thanks for posting this video. I've been following Alice Camer for a while now.
thanks for the detailed video! I alread preordered some time ago though I still have many questions about it... most stunning to see here was that you can adjust things like AI enhancement or stabilisation by slider, thats awesome to have control over it if you're more experienced! still wondering about battery life and all the wifi connectivy... and already had the same thought as you, one thing that could really impact the succes of the alice camera would also be something like picture profiles/film recipes like x100v and gr3 have🙏
Very interesting concept. Thank you for the first look at Alice.
Thanks so much for your kind comment! 😀
Wow, your production quality is superb and your presentation style is so fun and engaging!
As to the product, Alice is a really interesting concept that could go places, but I would caution that market success will depend on whether autofocus can be made slick and accurate enough to meet non-nerd use cases. Given the pain that Panasonic has endured on this front, it is difficult to be optimistic, but I'd *dearly* love to be proved wrong!
Thanks so much! And I totally agree with you. AF is a key feature we need to see more of asap
Well done on how technically proficient you are and how well you explain this bit of kit.
Oddly we were talking about using phones as remote controls for cameras earlier in the week. A function I often forget to use on many Lumix - the wet afternoon - when kids were playing "movie makers" one phone was controlling gimbal - other camera and both kids were happy.
Alice looks like a fun addition - but would like removable storage as I seem to kill sd cards.
Great video
As an original backer of this project I need to say this, I am very disappointed recently with the company, I am still awaiting a response to my latest emails and queries. The project is way behind schedule and there is a lack of communication from the business.
It’s great you have done this, wish the company would step up to the plate and support its Beta customers from over 2 years ago
I would love to get my hands on one of these units. It has so much potential!
🙌 yay! Thanks for your support!
Thanks for the comprehensive preview.
Great review. This is a really interesting concept imo. Reminds me of the Olympus air
Reminds me....In mini dv/dvcam days we we're stuck with 30 FPS and bought a device with a rotating ground glass that allowed us to use other camera lenses on our camcorder and simulate 24 fps. It had a macro lens built in to focus on the spinning ground glass. It was a pain and sucked up a lot of light, but it worked!
this is different
What an interesting and impressive piece of gear! I would really be interested in trying one out
Great review. Informative and entertaining. Well balanced, well researched. Thank you.
Literally only 5 seconds in, and the new background, that absolutely GLOWING grin, and that FRIGGIN SWEATER??
TOP SHELF INTRO pal, 11/10.
I have been waiting so long for this
Nice new backdrop there, noticing the Dragon Dagger there 😍
Looking forward for the mass-production for Alice Camera
It is a dragon dagger!! Haha good spot!
Great video, fascinating and intriguing camera. As a proud owner of a Light L16 and a Lyttro Illum, I hope this innovation makes it.
Such an interesting product! May I ask, what is the phone clamp that you are using at 2:30 that attaches to the cold shoe of the camera? Thank you!
I think this is good, the whole seamless connection with the phone and camera i think this is a step in the right direction. The utilization of smartphones as a feature for the camera. although the the inclusion of a Hot-SHoe would make this a win for me.
It’s a really interesting idea, just reminded my husband he has a Sony QX in a box somewhere, he’s going to dig it out and see if it’ll work with iPhone 15 Pro. 👍
Great vlog, loving the jumper 😃
Reminds me of the DxO One. I still use that one from time to time.
What an interesting camera! Fantastic presentation 👍👌
Thanks for making the effort and for sharing!
Surprenant cette petite caméra, ou accessoire pour smartphone, si je puis dire...super test, comme d'habitude.
Pretty sure I could find many uses for this camera. The main one would be my remote camera easily controlled via my phone.
I think this is a very interesting update to the idea Olympus put out with the Olympus air and Sony put up with their QX one. I’m not happy to hear about limited memory and I have a strong concern about battery drain on the phone while connected to Alice… But it is very fun. Thank you for the presentation.
I stil got my Sony QX1 and its really fun to use 😊
You just reminded me my husband has the Sony QX, he’s going to find it and have a play 👍
Nice vid. This reminds me of that LG g5 phone with interchangeable module
OMG Sign me up! Forget the G9ii. Bring me Alice. (Just kidding, but am I?) Hmm, they need a way to make money long term if they are just doing ai - firmware type updates. Maybe they will charge for those? Question: Can you use Alice for live streaming? Now slap the 100-400mm on it and show me some bird photos. Love love your background office colours. Cheers!
You can use Alice for live streaming- I did do a little section on that but the video is quite long enough so it hit the cutting room floor! You will be able to use it as a webcam, it just shows up as a device when you plug it into the computer, and there's a space in the app to even put your stream key directly so you can do it all independently from a computer, even, I'd you were brave enough!
Wow, that's great to know about the streaming/webcam capabilities. And hopefully you can do it "in the wild" if you have a good cell connection. Thank you.
I definitely think a well executed merger of traditional camera lenses/lens mounts and the camera software used in phones would be a winning concept. I wouldn't even care that much about whether the app has all the typical manual controls, as long as the automatic behavior produces good results. I just want the easiest experience to get the best looking photos. Today's phones are easy, but they don't have good lenses, while today's cameras have the right lens hardware but the automatic mode software can't compete with what a phone can do.
It would be awesome if this ends up being the winning combination! I think MFT is the way to go, since the lenses are reasonably sized
I'm still watching. Does it work with some of the Panasonic lenses that have an aperture ring? In other words, can you set the aperture using the aperture ring on such lenses? Looks like an interesting tool so far.
Yes, so if the lens has an aperture ring, that'll override the app. If the lens doesn't, you can use the app 😊
@@MicroFourNerds - Thank you! Ok, so we know that Olympus should be able to do this too then! C'mon Olympus! I mean OM Systems.
So the phone just acts as a controller and storage device? Not sure if it was mentioned in the video or I missed it, but does it also add geotagging data since it's connected to your phone?
This thing is actually really dope. Hopefully the auto focus feature is good... if it shows up.
I have wanted something like Alice, and I hope it will grow, especially with how Sony Alpha 9 III has just come out with a full Global shutter sensor.
I'm really interested in this! Have a load of m43 current and vintage lenses, and love using the manual controls on my phone. Signed up to the site and really considering the early bird deposit and discount
Super interested in this to use for family vacations and trips. I love taking high quality photos and videos of my kids, but I sometimes hate having to bring my camera with me on trips and then having to pull them off a card to edit them, etc.
A great preview and such an interesting innovation. Reminds me of the Sony units you could attach to cameras. Hopefully Alice sees more success than those.
Thanks a lot for your kind comment, @ZakariKha!
"Alice" is an anagram of "Leica" ... so should we assume that this is planned to become the AI -based 21st Century winner to replace the previous master?
Hey, that's original and a really cool observation! I wonder if that's how they came up with the name... 👍
Subjectively one of the most legendary DSLRs - the Nikon D700 - also 'only' has around 12MP. That is absolutely enough for almost all use cases.
12mp is incredibly low for a 2024 $1200 dollar camera, no matter which way you slice it.
I actually don't know if they make sensors with any lower resolution at that size. That d700 is half the price mind you, and has auto focus.
Beautiful photography, and thank you for this review! What if the open source dev groups eventually develop HDR debaying tools or image stacking like the ARRI Alexa cameras have?
Size-wise, it actually looks quite chunky: taller than the OM(5?) and G100 you compared it with, and probably deeper too, especially if you whack at phone on the back (which also likely makes the width greater). My main concern with previous iterations of the 'clip a lens mount to your phone' ideas was that the phone mounts looked fairly flimsy and were asking for either the expensive lens or the expensive phone to fall to the ground if you weren't holding the combined unit in both hands. This at least looks like robust mount. Not sure I'd go for the sliders over dials design- one of the things about using a camera is that when you are familiar with it you can adjust various settings without having to root through menus. Open the aperture 4 stops? One dial. Shutter speed? One dial. That said, it does look like a better attempt at this sort of thing than previously.
I'll be in the market to buy a small mirrorless camera in the $1200 to $1500 range early next year. I'll keep this camera in mind once final production units are out there and reviewed.
Love the new background!
What model iPhones will this be compatible with? Like will it work with an phone 11 pro max?
Can it do 10bit log?
Ooh this is verrry interesting to me. I'm exactly the person with a huge collection of both SMALL (non-Pro) micro four thirds lenses including fun Chinese MF ones AND a shelf of vintage FD lenses with adapter that I never use AND I'm a person rather turned off by the plastic EP-7 who's worried there will never be any more quality small M43 cameras for ALL MY BEAUTIFUL LENSES. Alice isn't the prettiest thing in the world (my EPL-10 is, so I'm spoiled) but it looks well-built and the concept behind it is intriguing. I might have to sign up for this.
I'm jealous! I ordered my Alice over 2 years ago now. Good to know it's finally coming!
2 years? I was thinking to order, did you paid before or after delivery? How it works there isn't a date right?
I'm interested. Came from full frame dslr nikon, now on apsc fuji and I want to try m43 soon.
Very nice video and exciting product! Sony a6700 is already using an AI subject recognition in autofocus btw. And I wonder whether your phone storage will live up to 4K behind the scenes footage being stored on it directly. Hopefully the storage options will be flexible (like putting only stills directly on the phone and keeping footage on the camera...) and maybe the microSD being exchangeable. And I think there will definitely be a mark2 as no CPU will be powerful enough and able to be updated forever etc. And mark 2 will have some dials ;-). But the open source and updateability option still is a very nice and exciting prospect!
This is the way micro four thirds will win the future. Oly and Sony each had a similar attempt years ago. Finally, something revolutionary comes in a mature and well thought-out product.
I think you are too conservative about your predictions of who this is for. Thank you for the very detailed intro video. Great job explaining all the things users need to know and want to know. The more technical stuff isn't really what people care about anyway.
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Thanks for your wonderful and supportive comment! We're looking to drive innovation in the camera industry via MFT 💪
Actually the Sony QX1 was well thought through-out... It did however fail due o Sony marketing the QX cameras as a accessory to their Xperia smart phones... While they held like 2% of the market... 😅 The QX1 came with a APS-C sensor but it was possible to mount full frame lenses on it because Sonys cameras uses e-mount.
So no physical/mechanical IBIS -- right? Does lens stabilization (Pany/Oly) work OK? Ultimately this camera is still limited by its hardware -- and down the road they would produce new units with more powerful processing -- *BUT* it would be cool if, like with a computer, you can 'migrate' all of your settings and customizations (even the internal AI learning? or installed Alice apps?) from your old Alice camera to your new Alice camera....
Cautiously optimistic about the Alice camera. It has a few more features that were not in the Olympus Air and the Sony variant. The Linux OS might make it much more friendly to people who wish to make more add on features. Above all, I hope they can deliver to the ones that have backed them first.
Very interesting presentation. I'm exited me too
The '67 Helios 44-2. What a beauty of a lens.
So its just another dxo one but bigger and can change lens?
I love the software concept. Reminds me of my Google Pixel phone camera.
But im not convinced with the size. It should be in the form factor of a panasonic gx800.
Further more it would be creat to have at least two thumb wheels for apature and shutter speed beside the shutter button. Additionally I would like at least 16 MP for photography.
This would make it a perfect small camera for e.g. traveling
How long will they guarantee software updates for? It could also do in body upresolution. Like Topaz labs Gigapixel but in body. So taking 12MP and pushing to 20-24MP or even higher. Or pixel shift high resolution with or without upresing would be slick!
Thanks for your wonderful suggestions! We see you 👀
We're working on an in-camera super resolution algorithm based on an image-stacking technique. No promises yet on an exact launch date but it's on the road map!
@@thealicecamera "in-camera super resolution algorithm based on an image-stacking technique". WOW what an enhancement that would be
Guarantee won't matter seeing as this company isn't making it, honestly IDK how they got this far into product development.
It's a 1200 dollar manual focus camera aimed at people who don't like cameras.
Brilliant video Emily, I'm catching up on this project and wondering how I could cover it. I think as a creator I'd want PDAF (or something as reliable as) and open gate to make me switch to using it regularly, but maybe open gate is already possible or coming in the future. Either way, love your presentation and style - you're so good at this, I think your channel will be huge before long, and deservedly so.
Thanks so much Gordon! Alice is made by a very small team and I'm sure they'd love to work with you. Drop them a message on Insta. The auto focus *could* be very interesting in this camera, but I haven't had chance to test it yet as it wasn't ready when I made this video. Theoretically it could be trained to improve over time. I have high hopes 🤞
@@MicroFourNerds they've already contacted me! So I've been watching for research...!
Eeeek! Well in that case I very much look forward to hearing your thoughts!
Wow this is crazy! Want to order
Very interesting!
Really nice pre review. Intresting thoughts on use cases. I was a bit surprised on your method of leaving a gopro in the background to record a whole event. Why don't you use the lumix app to remotely record situations from a stationary camera? Is it a case of reliability? With alice the instant copy to your phone and mic input from you phone ia a definite plus regarding workflow
The lumix cameras will go to sleep after about 5 mins and disconnect and reconnecting to the app again is a right faff. You can leave the camera always on i suppose but it would drain the battery a lot! On Alice Camera you can wake the camera from the app rather than the other way round so it is much more convenient 😁
hello! i have a question about the camera, if you use it for video, it will automatically stabilize the video like iphone does? or do you still would need to mount the whole gear into a gimbal ?
It has electronic stabilisation, I think there's a bit of a demo in the vid. It'll crop into the footage to stabilise it. You can choose how much or little to use 😊
Such an interesting idea. Personally I think I would like this as a stand alone camera with some buttons and dials. But the GH5s sensor in a more compact body is awesome. Gyro stabilization to compensate for the GH5s sensors lack of IBIS and the AI autofocus and “enhance” sounds really cool. If they can get solid in body AI noise reduction to a similar level as something like Topaz, oh boy this would be so cool. Or if the AI could train from my photo reel to know what my wife and kids look like and just lock onto them over any other subjects in frame.
This is really cool, and I’d love to have one at some point, but $900 is a little to rich for my blood at the moment. I love these interesting camera concepts.
Great video. I’ve got a big bag or two of micro for third gear and had stopped using it because the phones got so good. Using computational photography. I think I’ll sell the body and keep the lenses.
Nice Camera Nerd Collection . I’ve got some pretty strange stuff myself.
Ask me about the inflatable underwater camera
A new mFT camera !!! ❤️
That Alice is a software-first camera does give it the potential for lasting longer. But like all things that still rest on hardware, eventually the hardware will not be able to support the new software features or versions.
I think.
this looks brilliant!
it is something you could have on you all the time.
and when the phone ain't cuttin' it?
out comes Alice.
(good name too)
Do you know if full frame Lumix lenses are compatible with G9ii and maybe with this camera? I think I am going to buy the G9ii after watch your videos 🙉
There is no cross compatibility unfortunately, the flange distance is too close on the full frame lumix cameras so you can't adapt the glass to micro four thirds. I wish you could too!
Will it support Nikon mount lenses? Would love to make them usable. This might revive the obsolete lenses I bought all those years 💯
Hmmm! Interesting!! The video, is it at 10-bit 422?
Look! It's a bird,it' can go on a plane,it's able to photography high buildings in a single click,take photos at the speed of light----it's Alice! Sorry a bit tongue in cheek. Thanks for a great look at this new technology. I can't see myself buying it. I love micro 4/3rds and to be able to put my lenses, and others with adaptors on my phone does have some appeal.I would also be looking for the viewfinder.I don't like using a screen to line up my pics.While I use social media like youtube and instagram I don't generally have a need to post straight away. Some past prototype cameras have looked interesting but never quite delivered.None the less the stuff being learned while developing this while find its way into the greater camera world.I love your presentations and great sense of humour.Keep up the good work. Geoff
Interesting camera to use my vintage lenses on, but the battery not being swappable is a no go for me. Also I have my doubts about a internal built in micro-sd card .
Great Video!
The product is interesting , but feels more like a stepping stone , than future-proof product.
I am hoping that once day we actually get poper work flows and apps from the biger camera companies we are all so inveted in , rather tham sink in to soemthing that may go the way of the lytro cameras other ideas that went away.
Great concpt thogh kudos to the designers
Well, I'm seriously missing my old Huawei Pro Pro B and W dedicated camera. So, can it be set to only on your choice set to B and W. I could frankly care less about quick sharing to the Either Net... As a whole, but after I resolve my feelings concerning the image if ever. I'm more interested with ease of use...in the moment. And does it have the ability to negate the inordinate ability with all phones I've had since my Huawei which allowed you to set the screen shut down which annoyingly requires re-entering you damned password?
Hos much will it cost? What is the battery solution like?
What format can it be filmed? Raw footage enabled?
Hi Emily, I just subscribed to this Channel. This product sounds awesome. I like how you can attach your phone to it. What is the resolution like on this camera?
Is the pre-order V2 unit considered a pre-production unit?
just heard about this camera, and I fit the latter criteria :) but now its been out for a while I've not heard much about it. So is it a winner?
Looks interesting and im definitely interested in a camera that has updatable apps... Time will tell if its gona be successful... Seems pricey to me😊