3 Christians Bury Paulogia on Jesus Burial (InspiringPhilosophy Mike Winger Red Pen Logic response)
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- Am I unreasonably skeptical about the non-miraculous claim that Jesus was buried in a tomb? Michael Jones of Inspiring Philosophy, Mike Winger, and Timothy Barnett of Red Pen Logic with Mr B all think that I am. Let's see what they have to say.
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45:36 - This is why I don't respect IP: his original argument was that the Greek word used for "bury" indicates a proper, tomb-style burial, but now, when he's been shown that this word can also mean a trench grave, he pivots to saying that this wasn't a specific commentary on Roman practices, and he tries to differentiate a "proper" trench grave from an "unceremonious" trench grave, as if the word itself actually speaks to the former, and excludes the latter.
Yup, the good ole moving of the goalposts.
Almost like he started with the conclusion and is just working to make the evidence fit it..even though it doesn't. Tbh I wonder why they bother - it's all true right? Why run in all these circles doing a terrible job proving its truthfulness if it's evidently true?
Just because it "could" mean doesn't mean it does mean that. This is in IP's defense.
The reason I don't respect him is because he spends his time trying to force things to be true simply because he wants them to be true, instead of evaluating the evidence honestly to determine what's actually true. This is why I don't respect apologists in general.
@@Roadstar1602 he also lies repeatedly with science
Three humans try to make the case for God.
God mysteriously absent from conversation.
More at 6.
The best they can do these days is have God speak through his legal council.
@@alanw505
Is it too hard for God to speak for himself to EACH of us???
@@alanw505 god isn't allowed in court.
he's looking for jesus who hasn't done his carpentry homework. ti's an impossible task cos no one has seen jesus since he died and god is hiding.
@@dragonhealer7588 god moves in mysteriously dumb ways.
"Is two a lot?" Apologist: "Depends on the context. Contradictory gospels? No. Crucifixions followed by burial? Yes."
I like it!
hahaha, nice one!
Yes, the gospel differ.
That's how eyewitness reports work.
They differ just a little.
Ask any detective lol
When they would be exactly the same thats when it would be worrying.
Wasn't it sedition not treason?
@@prawnstar4143the gospels don’t differ just a little. Ask any detective lol, they are completely different stories.
Winger's constant giggling is to signal his audience "These arguments are so ridiculous!"
It's a tactic to cover up his weak and dishonest apologetics.
That shit does drive me insane from Winger. The Red Pen logic is probably the worst of the bunch to do this. That said IP is pretty bad and close to red pill/incel shit.
The best point is that Gary Habermas could be used as a source to disagree with all three of them, and they won't have the "he's not a Christian scholar so I can ignore him because I don't like him" defense
The same for Mike Licona. Both are their co-religionists, both are historians, and both don't agree on the strength of the historical evidence for the supposedly empty tomb.
Granted haven't I seen the likes of William Lane Craig do that "Habermas is full of it" because the "Minimal Facts" method that Habermas uses disagrees with them so they try to paint the method as invalid?
@@pauligrossinoz By no stretch of the imagination would any professional historian consider Licona to be a "historian". Despite his constant references to "historical method", he doesn't have the slightest idea what it actually is or how to use it. He's as much a "historian" as Kent Hovid is a "scientist".
@@philpaine3068 🤣👍
Yeah, but the Christians themselves have a very low bar for what they call an 'historian' - basically anyone who agrees with them about the resurrection, and also has a degree in anything at all.
Which is why they won't like their co-religionist "historians" not accepting their dumb 'empty tomb' gambit.
At one time I was very confused reading the name Habermas in this consent. As German I admire Habermas (Jürgen), one of the most cited philosophs of our days. Before I realized this guy is not what came to my mind and is the very opposite, I was really confused for a short time. Geez, what a comparison what can't be compared. lmfao 😂
Inspiring Philosophy: "I'm baffled why atheists don't accept an unevidenced claim from my holy book"
IP's style, what little I have seen of his channel, seems to try to present himself as objective and independent but is very much an apologetics channel with a single minded focus to support the religion.
@SCHOLARvid the term "special pleading" doesn't exist in the Bible. So they're not going to look it up.
@@williamdowling7718 LOL.... Yeah... not on their apologetics religious websites either.
@SCHOLARvid And if IP does not accept magic claims from other holy texts (just assuming here, but I bet), then accepting the ones in his special book about a man coming back to life, is special pleading. How does he not see this?
IP should rename his channel to "Special Pleading"
1 HOUR Paulogia?! Truly I tell you, I'm not worthy.
These vids are so important
One of the things apologists fail to address is the character of Pilate. He is known (extra biblically) for having absolutely no regard for Jewish customs or sensibilities. In fact Jewish leaders say that to get him to do something, they would ask for the opposite. Pilate would NOT have acceded to any request for the body of Jesus.
Source? Because that's a really important details that determines A LOT what happened to Yeshua's body
@@2PRO_4U_2NO pretty sure Bart Earman went over this or it's in another of Paulogia's videos but I have heard similar things.
@@2PRO_4U_2NOBart Ehrman
Maybe they told pilate they didn't want the body then?
I think I’m going to become an atheist. I’ve been raised Christian all my life and my parents have taken measures to keep me around other Christians (seriously, I can’t remember the last time I talked to a non-Christian). The more I look at and analyze the bible the more it contradicts itself and honestly just doesn’t make sense. Your videos have been helping me cross over to “the dark side” lol.
Edit: I didn't really expect people to want a definitive answer, but for anyone wondering, yes, I'm an atheist.
Jesus Christ is real and He loves you. He fulfilled over 100 Old Testament prophecies ( Isaiah 53 and Zechariah 9 being one of the most pronounced). No amount of good works or righteousness (which as an atheist you have no bases for) will save you. It is by the grace of God, through faith, that we are saved. Jesus took all our sins and was resurrected on the third day for our justification. Soon Jesus Christ will come back to judge the earth, don't wait, since tomorrow is not guaranteed.
bananaman is a copy/paste troll who's been plastering his idiotic screed all over this comment section. He's a true Christian who doesn't mind irritating an unlimited number of strangers in pursuit of ???? --whatever it is that he gets out of doing it.
@@donnievance1942 don't get anything out of it. Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life. Without Christ you can not be saved. With athiest there is no hope, no morals what so ever, and it'll lead you to your death. God made, loves you and wants you to come and serve Him, for He is the Maker of all creation. He is God who doesn't want anyone to perish (hence sending Lord Christ). It's out of love i spread the Gospel
Take your time and let your journey take you were it may. I grew up Christian and over the years I became atheist. Just keep reading and searching. You will get there. Additionally, everyone grows and changes. I sure your parents views must have changed over time.
There isn't just Christianity or Atheism! There are lots of, often VERY different religions and also lots of flavors of agnosticism. Its worth exploring a bit
You're really scaring these people, which demonstrates the weakness of their position. Keep up the great work, Paul.
The only reason his scalpel seems like a hammer being swung wildly to them is because it is a damn effective scalpel at removing their BS lmao
It’s so satisfying that he can so freely pursue all their claims to wherever they lead and reliably the sources reveal these apologists to be fundamentally mistaken/dishonest.
Can you really call it a weakness when they just have a demonstrably unsupported position? I mean, if I build a house of cards on quicksand, is the quicksand really a weakness of the house of cards? Or is my stupidity to try and build on it?
@@stylis666 but how can you evaluate the structural integrity of the tabernacles of thine little piggies if not from the pedological codes of the prime architect from which all Geotechnical Surveys are Ultimately derived? Typical Evolutionist 🙄
The fact so many are feeling they should respond to Paul, shows just how much they fear his presentations and reason.
IP really needs to drop this _"I'm salty that people don't trust my magic book!"_ shtick. It's not doing him any favors.
Totally agree. Incredibly arrogant and always looks pissed off.
@@pavld335 But no arrogance at all when you declare the truth, and anyone who doesn't agree with you is a dunce.
@@beannathrach2417 Now you're getting it!
Know Forrest Valkai and his opinion on the matter?
@@beannathrach2417 when did I do that? When have I called someone a dunce?
This is a criminally undersubscribed channel. Should be closer to 900k than 90k right now. I would have a more optimistic view of humans if that were so…
As a long-term Paulogia fan, I love the Ham&Egg stuff more than these epic episodes where grown men argue about details in a storybook.
I mean, I guess it's important, but I can see why it doesn't have mass appeal, especially to theists.
I completely agree! Maybe because Paul's arguments are reasonable and fair to Christians. Not sensational enough for a lot of people maybe? I really don't know. Keep up the great work Paul.
@@JayMaverick really there just isn’t enough data left in the world to determine what happened, so none of these arguments can ever get anywhere.
Yes, some of most organised, scholarly and restrained counter apologetics out there.
@@JayMaverick I'm the opposite. I ignore the Ham &Egg stuff because Ham's nonsense is childish but find videos like this one, which gets in the weeds of history, riveting
The fact that IP is the main boss says it all about the state of christian apologetics 😄
👍😂😆
Flawless victory...
I'll say it again William LAME Craig is the best they have by far and he is absolute crap, running the same schtick for 20 years, no matter how debunked and refuted.
Why's that? As a Christian, I'm curious as to why IP is underwhelming from a atheist standpoint? Or is this just an echo chamber?
@@wakkablockablaw6025 echo chamber lol
Even the unique portions aren't independent as the author had access and understanding of the other.
Paulogia, you and Aron are two sides of the same coin and I love it. Both of you do your research and self examination, but when im angry I like aron because he doesn't hold back from tearing into the stupidity of something, but when im reserved, I like you because you are and focus on the issues without tearing apart the interlocutor... with your little bit of sass too haha
I'll take it! Thank you.
Good cop, bad cop
@@walterbrooks2329 Sounds like a great idea for a collaboration.
AronRa has collabbed with Gutsick Gibbon, a great source for anti-YEC facts. She has collabbed with Dapper Dinosaur, another anti-YEC channel (one that loves to dismantle anything that comes out of any Hovind's mouth), too. Just a couple more really good channels to check out, is all!
@@Paulogia Thank you for your videos.
Paulogia, Viced Rhino and Aron Ra are my holy trinity of UA-cam atheists.
They are my favorite 3 right now as well. I like Sam Harris, but he really doesn't trade in this kind of discussion much anymore. I do subscribe to his podcast, though, and I recommend it.
IMO Aron Ra is a a bit of a blowhard with bad epistemology, VR, and Paulogia are good though. I honestly don’t know how anyone could handle Aron unless they were still in their Angry atheist phase.
@@wadebacca Aron is at his best when talking about biology, philosophy really isn't his bag.
You forgot Prophet of Zod.
AronRa! I’ve learned so much from him.
The whole "I cannot imagine any reason why they'd make up Joseph of Arimathea!" has always boggled my mind. You seriously cannot imagine any reason why a storyteller would make up that one of your opponents who was a respected member of society secretly supported your cause? No reason at all? Nothing coming to mind?
It shows a crippling lack of imagination.
Joseph of Arimathea is the most obvious plot device that I have ever heard of.
Joseph of Arimathea is the most obvious plot device that I have ever heard of.
I love how he just decimates Cristians and methodically picks their BS apart Paulogia is the GOAT
But who is a goat?
@@misuvittupaa8068 The Greatest Of All Time
@@misuvittupaa8068 Paulogia is the GOAT
@@jeremyvaldez3347 yeah I know what GOAT is but who is a goat?
Just baited you, gotcha
General Occupational Aptitude Test? Yes I agree, and have yet to see an apologist that doesn't fail. Wich is really bad considering the GOAT isn't a pass or fail test.
As always, you do an excellent job of revealing the rich tapestry of selective reading, special pleading & motivated reasoning indulged in by these alleged scholars. They never fail to disappoint; you never disappoint 🤷♂️
Great content Paul, it’s really helped me get out of this religion much appreciated.
I'm so pleased to hear that.
Every story I hear 'I was raised with the bible being literally true, but then I learned it couldn't be so I stopped being a christian.' Fun fact is most christians don't believe the bible is literally true, so this kind of unconversion doesn't work on them. If you want to unconvert christians step your game.
I'll say the same thing I say to wannabe converters: stop with the faith based rants, instead testify how the way you face life gives you a genuine better life.
@@beannathrach2417
I'm confused.....who wants to "unconvert" Christians?
@@kenbee1957 'Great content Paul, it’s really helped me get out of this religion much appreciated.' ~~ Ethio
Had you gone to college you would've learned to read for content.
@@beannathrach2417
A person on the Internet rethought their stance regarding religion after watching Paul's content...and decided to leave it.
Is Paul's content aimed at "converting Christians"?
No. It is not.
Do Atheists care about "converting Christians"?
Also no.
So I ask again, since you've been to college, "Who wants to unconvert Christians?"
I feel like many counter-apologetics channels would just say, “Tomb vs mass grave doesn’t matter, it’s the supernatural stuff that we object to.” Nonetheless, Paulogia goes the extra mile to critique even a simpler claim of Christians which is often used to prop up the supernatural stuff in an hour long video. Paulogia truly is a gem.
We dont deserve him
I have a Jehovah's witness background. We had an easy solution for this. Jesus wasn't raised in his body. It dissolved into nothing and Jesus was resurrected as a Spirit, with the same likeness as God himself. That's kind of what the earliest Christians believed to some extent. Paul sure didn't seem to care much about the resurrection of the body. His 1 Corinthians 15 can certainly be read to assume he thought the physical body was useless. And of course he never claimed to see the physical Jesus. He mentions Jesus 'appearing' to people. Even the gospels hint at it.. he gets through locked doors, and isn't recognized by his friends. But, there's no question some parts of the gospels insist he got his body back, and Acts says he literally ascended to heaven in some sort of body. Of course all of this is just interesting nonsense.
Operative word there--"nonsense" 😃
JESUS when He met them in the upper room said to them it is I touch me , handle me I am not a ghost. He was raised in his physical body. JESUS came back from the dead and proved that there is life after death!@! The resurrection of JESUS proves that there is life after death!!1
@@johndoney2665 yeah, sure thing. And the Flood was real, too, right? 🙄
Do you follow Truth Hurts? He's an ex-JW channel. There's another one that's totally escaping my mind, currently, that's also a great channel. If I remember it, I'll try to stop back by.
Lloyd Evans! Thats the other ex-JW I was trying to remember! See, I told you I'd try to find my way back to add it, and I did! 😊
@@MaryAnnNytowl Maybe it was. H sapiens almost went extinct about the time Mt Toba exploded. It might've sent a tsunami across the Indian Ocean and drowned humans on the East African coast. We could have had language by then so the oral stories of the disaster could be passed down over the millennia as our species dispersed from Africa.
Or there were a number of flood stories in the Middle East about the Tigris and Euphrates. If you bothered actually reading Genesis instead of just pissing on it, you might learn it took a lot of stories common in the region and gave them a moral aspect to teach about their god. Read the flood story in context and it ends a period with no law and civil disorder and concludes with humanity being given its first law, the Noahide Law. So hebrews took a common story and turning it into a parable about the importance of humanity having laws to make them civilized. The importance and nature of law is a theme that will repeated again and again in the Bible. The Bible makes more sense once you realize how important Law is to Jews.
Fuck yeah, an extra long Paul vid. Going to be a great day
I thought the exact thing!
I think the point about "The disciples stole the body" is kind of an interesting one to me. Because I can (and did) experience this as a kid myself. If you're told that this person died, was buried in a tomb, and then three days later some caretakers showed up to find the tomb empty... kind of your first innate reaction is: "Someone took the body". Graverobbing wasn't uncommon in history. Maybe someone was afraid of desecration (Such as Abraham Lincoln's body, it was cracked open an insane number of times over claims that someone might have desecrated it)? This is just kind of a logical assumption you make when you hear "And the tomb was empty". Because someone moving a body? That happens. Gravekeepers trying to resell space. Thieves. Delusional and obsessive people. Etc. "It got up and walked out/was brought to another plane of existence" is... not the first assumption most people would make.
So back when I was a kid hearing about this for the first time, yes, that was my initial thought: "Someone stole the body". Only to have it hammered in "No no no, that wasn't it!". So it makes sense a gospel would try to go that route once they started adding in the "Empty Tomb" narrative. Preemptively address the likely objections. It's something you do in debates for example. If I can bring up my opponent's point, I can preemptively dismiss them from the audience's mind before they get a chance to example it.
Grave robbing was indeed extremely common.
For example, Apuleius's The Golden Ass (2nd century) is a tale of wonders, marvels and supernatural happenings including the main character being turned into a donkey. With that said, it does mention several habits and cultural customs of its day.
At one point, it mentions how in Thrace, grave robbery was so common- for the purposes of stealing the actual body or body parts to use for magic- that families would hire guards to watch over the bodies of relatives before entombment. This is not the only reference to this either, it was apparently an actual thing.
I do not know if this practice was that common in Palestine but odds are variations of it, at least, did exist.
@@Nocturnalux
Stealing not the whole body but just the parts you need was a practice Ed gein followed.
There's honestly the weirdness in the gospels of why are people going to open the tomb a couple days later.
In Matthew (but only Matthew),the tomb is guarded. In John, Nicodemus already applied like 100 pounds of spices to Jesus's corpse. So why bother opening the tomb back up unless there's some unmentioned plan to move the body in the near future or something. If he's going to stay in the tomb, why bother adding spices at that point?
*As usual Paul, brilliantly argued!* 😊👍
I personally find "Inspiring Philosophy's" attempt to cast aspersions on those who don't necessarily accept that Jesus was buried in Joseph of Arimathea's tomb as "choosing a hill to die on" as utterly _ridiculous._
Firstly, his co-religionists Licona and Habermas disagree with him on the empty tomb.
Secondly, and more importantly, it's not my job to _disprove_ the resurrection, it's his job to _prove_ it.
If he choses to "die on the hill" of an empty tomb that then supposedly establishes that the resurrection is certain, then he also must accept that he needs to establish the burial in Joseph's tomb as certain too. Not a mere possibility, but a virtual _certainty._
_And he hasn't even come close._
At best the burial in Joseph's tomb is an unlikely possibility, rather a certainty.
The hill _he's_ chosen to die on is, at best, an unlikely possibility.
Not to mention that even if we grant him all that, what do we have? An empty tomb.
In no other context would an empty tomb lead anyone to conclude the person had resurrected. Special pleading is the only "argument" for this being the one case in which that's what happened.
I agree, the "empty tomb" is a terrible hill to die on and it is the kind of thing that may seem really appealing if you already believe in the claim that Jesus came back from the dead but to anyone else, it's immensely unconvincing.
majority of human beings on the planet disagree with IP. And that includes numerous of his fellow contemporary christians and those throughout christian history. the most hilarious thing is IP really really really really really believes a jewish itinerant preacher magically reanimated from the dead after stinking up a tomb for a couple of days.
Jesus Christ is real and He loves you. He fulfilled over 100 Old Testament prophecies ( Isaiah 53 and Zechariah 9 being one of the most pronounced). No amount of good works or righteousness (which as an atheist you have no bases for) will save you. It is by the grace of God, through faith, that we are saved. Jesus took all our sins and was resurrected on the third day for our justification. Soon Jesus Christ will come back to judge the earth, don't wait, since tomorrow is not guaranteed.
@@bananaman5554 Cool story, bro. "Soon", you guys have been saying that literal millennia but I am sure this time around, teh jebus is at hand~~~
@@Nocturnalux congrats on fulfilling 2 Peter 3:3 3 Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4 They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.” 5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water.
Excellent work again Paul. As usual, Apologists present the same unverifiable Data and make the same bold claims without any convincing evidence... unless, of course, one accepts the Bible as Gospel. Apologists seem comparable to a child who is adamant that they saw a Monster in their closet and then Cite Monsters Inc as Proof. All Hail Sully!
Jesus Christ is real and He loves you. He fulfilled over 100 Old Testament prophecies ( Isaiah 53 and Zechariah 9 being one of the most pronounced). No amount of good works or righteousness (which as an atheist you have no bases for) will save you. It is by the grace of God, through faith, that we are saved. Jesus took all our sins and was resurrected on the third day for our justification. Soon Jesus Christ will come back to judge the earth, don't wait, since tomorrow is not guaranteed.
@@bananaman5554 Well good for you. Over 100 Prophecies you say? That sounds impressive. It almost sounds like another unsubstantiated claim. However, if you were to present each one in turn to a Rabbi (You know... the job that Yeshua did {Sorry, I meant Immanuel - as prophesised}). I think you will find that every single one of them is a misrepresentation of the Old Testament. Go on, Talk to a Rabbi. Show him your "...Over 100 Prophecies.." and then try to frighten little children with your silly stories about Jesus taking all our sins. PS. Why do you call me an Atheist? And, Please Stop with the threats, it isn't very "Christian-like" of you.
@@tomsenior7405 thank you, Jesus definitely helped me out. Read the bookmof Matthew and the gospels and you can see how Jesus completed those prophecies. Don't need to show to a rabbi, (who is just a human authority) as we have the Holy Spirit to discern the scripture for us, and also the first belivers were Jewish lol. Not to mention that the ceremonial law was just a shadow of Christ to come who fulfilled the law and made a new covenant. Apologiesif the term athiest offended you; you didnt mention anything about God that would be taken otherwise (if you don't believein Christ then that'sthe definition of unbeliver). Also not a threat but out of love as I've seen bodies of 20 and 21 year old Soldiers from car accidents. Time is running out, which God doesn't want anyone to perish. Ezekiel 33:11 "Say to them, 'As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live.
@@bananaman5554 I can not thank you enough for responding. Nevertheless, Thank you. First off. Start with Mark. Not Matthew (Even though these are not eyewitness accounts, just anonymous scribbles). Then you Really should seek out the opinion of a Rabbi. You specifically cited "Prophecies". "...over 100..." If your claim is true, then you should not fear the words of a Rabbi. This is not a test of your faith. It is simply a way of accepting that what you have been told by infallible Pastors is also open to interpretation. Wouldn't a true believer talk to many Rabbis? Jess did. Instead you waive your hand and a Magic Ghost explains everything. Christ saved Souls in Hell and you piss about with threats on the internet. Be a man. Stand up and seek out the truth before you dare to give the "...better than thou..." Speech. And don't you dare call me an Agnostic either. Nor am I Jewish. Come on, you clearly want to believe in something Truthful. A Holy Spirit indeed. Listen to yourself. Come on bananaman, if you make strong claims, Ray Comfort and a Ghost are not good enough.
@@bananaman5554 Wishing you and yours a very Merry Christmas and a Wonderful New Year. May your Future be filled with Love, Life and Happiness
The story claims that the dead Jesus let Thomas touch him and that he spoke to him. So why does an all powerful God not do that Today? May be because it is just a story.
god is scared since he created cooties.
Also it claims that undead Jesus didn't look like Jesus lol so what's to say there wasn't some sort of meeting where "undead Jesus" appeared but was someone (maybe encouraged by Peter to do this) in disguise as Jesus with some clever makeup on. So many possibilities that are (potentially infinitely) much more likely than a resurrection.
@@danieldelanoche2015 Frustrated followers who have left family, obligations and job had trouble to accept the guy who ruined their lives is dead. They needed him in their lives. It is not the first time that people imagine to see dead people. The king is alive according to some people who imagined to have seen Elvis the king after his death.
God in the Old Testament, loved, like really really loved showing his power to everyone. And even showed his power when tested and or someone asked for proof of him.... Always made so in grandiose and supernatural ways. Yet, that never happens today, and or ever since things like cameras were invented. Now that getting evidence for his existence is easier than ever, he suddenly does not want to show his power anymore. I wonder why... Like if he really wants people to convert, at least a little bit of evidence for his existence would suffice.
When I was a kid I remember thinking I'd be like Thomas not believing.... now I realise that it's just a literary device
Really well done video. Christians like to count on the confirmation bias of believers and that they will just accept anything they say and by in large, they usually do. So the work you did here, listing their rebuttals and criticisms, then clarifying points, backing them up and citing rebuttals they did not list from scholarly sources is phenomenal. I know this probably took quite a bit of time to put together, so thank you for your hard work.
This has been the best thing about my Monday morning. Great video. Thanks for all the hard work you do for us!
Wow, thank you!
So the most important thing to ever happen in the history of the universe
And we are left to debating it on UA-cam?
Good job there, God and Jesus
Jesus Christ is real and He loves you. He fulfilled over 100 Old Testament prophecies ( Isaiah 53 and Zechariah 9 being one of the most pronounced). No amount of good works or righteousness (which as an atheist you have no bases for) will save you. It is by the grace of God, through faith, that we are saved. Jesus took all our sins and was resurrected on the third day for our justification. Soon Jesus Christ will come back to judge the earth, don't wait, since tomorrow is not guaranteed.
Mr. B & Mike Winger are equal tiers of low hanging fruit so I have no doubt in my mind that Paul could’ve taken those 2 out simultaneously… whilst smoking ham and flipping eggs.
I like how he characterized Mike Winger as some relatable quirky guy in the beginning because people who’ll trust in him will just think he’s some nice guy and a Christian dork who makes sense because reasons.
@@LividCreature he;s a clever liar and good at self deceit - even i believe him sometimes.
The bit I don't understand is, Paulogia shows clip after clip of Wingerr just straight up fucking _lying_ full-blast, and then says "I respect Mike".
WHY would anyone respect (to borrow a quote from the video as it plays) evangelical tools who lie for a living and misrepresent you to your face?
If I kept catching someone trying to plant a knife in my back, I wouldn't say we're good friends, for the same reason.
@@EdwardHowton Because any treatment of the source of the argument as bad can be taken as poisoning the well and any insults levied can be taken as ad hominem arguments. By treating his opponents well, he insulates his own arguments from common tactics of misrepresentation. By instead showing his opponents lying, he lets the viewer decide upon the opponent's dishonesty themselves, which is more compelling.
@@Kyeudo You don't have to respect the professional liar that you've shown lying multiple times, and calling them a liar when they lie and you show them lying isn't ANY form of genetic fallacy.
You can also treat them well, and/or address their arguments properly, while still pointing out that they lie constantly like it's their alternate form of breathing oxygen.
I would have no problem addressing Winger's arguments just as well as Paulogia has while still calling him out on his bullshit lies, and I wouldn't once pretend to respect the fucker, because that would also be a lie.
I don't respect liars. That's why I said I don't understand why he would say he respects someone he has exposed as a fucking liar SO MANY GODDAMN TIMES in more videos than I can count.
Maybe I'm just allergic to bullshit, lies, and propagandists. Or maybe I'm unique in that I don't like scumbags. Who the hell knows anymore, society's going to shit so maybe I'm the last sane person who doesn't associate with liars.
Paul, your intro is hilarious! Thanks for the big broad smile you gave me. Sending hugs to you and ShannaQ from South Africa. Just love what both of you do. Keep up the great work. x
Thank you, Donna! Hugs back.
Love all these videos, but ESPECIALLY love them when they’re long like this. An hour of listening to a topic be thoroughly explored like this is a real treat
I find it endlessly fascinating to watch grow adults debate the authenticity of a make up book.
If they were made to believe lord of the rings was true they be defending lord of the rings claiming all the evidence their is for lord of the rings.
@@user-xs2qq7kv9w And if we had three arms they would be commenting how God created us with three arms like he intended.
@@alanw505 if we find a another planet perfect for life they claim it was because of god and that it will be a perfect world, because they’re so delusional that everything is because of god.
@@alanw505 maybe they wanted to know how to put a killer rouge on. What sort of make ups did the book tell one to do?
@@KurenaiNanashi no!! my book about the Smokey eye is the one true make up book!!!! you are a heretic!! Let's fight for two thousand years😉😂😂🤣
Short highlights why the empty tomb story and surrounding details are probably works of fiction.
1. Most likely there would have been designated graves already prepared for crucifixion victims. The ludicrous scenario that Joseph was somehow in the position of scrambling on Passover for an available burial plot and the only option was to use his own family tomb, is historically implausible and violates practical sense. If crucifixion was a routine occurrence and burial was of the utmost importance then obviously this would have already been thought of and trench graves for crucifixion victims would have been ready to go. The Mishnah even states there were designated graves for criminals so, most likely, Jesus would have ended up in one of these graves since (if the story is true) he was convicted by the Sanhedrin of being a criminal blasphemer. Since Jesus had been "hung on a pole" then he would have been "cursed" (Deut. 21:23). It is unlikely that Joseph would defile his family tomb with the corpse of a cursed criminal blasphemer. Josephus says blasphemers should be buried "dishonorably and secretly."
2. There is an obvious reliance on the Old Testament for the Jesus stories beginning with Jesus' entry into Jerusalem (based on Zechariah), the trial and crucifixion (Psalms). What are the chances that they modeled the burial after Isa. 53:8-9 and have Jesus buried in a rich man's tomb? Gosh, we find exactly that don't we!?
3. Joseph, a rich man, would most likely not have personally taken part in burying Jesus. This grotesque task would have been someone else's job.
4. In Mark it says Joseph "bought" linen. Buying and selling items on a festival day was illegal - Exodus 12:16, Leviticus 23:6-7, Nehemiah 10:31. Notice how the other evangelists omit the part where Joseph "bought" linen.
5. The verb for the "rolling" stone apokulio was used to refer to round disc like objects. The archaeologist Amos Kloner found that rolling stone doors in the time of Jesus were ultra rare, reserved for the mega rich (kings and queens). However, after the year 70 CE, rolling stone doors became much more common so we have a likely anachronism here. It is unlikely that the word apokulio was used to refer to a square blocking stone.
6. The reason for going to the tomb in Mark's story was "to anoint the body." The problem with this is that there would be no reason to go anoint an already dead and buried body so it seems like a contrived plot device created in order for the women to "discover" Jesus' body went missing. Matthew alters the reason to "go see the tomb." John has Jesus correctly anointed *before* burial.
7. The question the women have in Mark _"Who will roll the stone away?"_ makes them look quite silly. Why would they head to the tomb without thinking of this in the first place? Makes very little sense as history but serves to create tension in the narrative which is released when they reach the tomb and find the door already rolled away.
8. The remark that the women are invited by the angel to "see where he was laid" (Mk. 16:6) sounds mundane at first but realize previously at 15:47 we are told specifically that _"they saw where he was laid."_ The redundancy sounds very suspicious as if it's been artificially set up. The author is informing the readers that the women see where he was laid *so they cannot be mistaken* that this was the place where Jesus was and is no longer there. See Adela Yarbro Collins' _Mark: A Commentary_ on this.
9. The description of the tomb and burial evolves more honorable over time as if they're either trying to cover up a dishonorable burial or make it seem like it *really was* empty or both. In Mark it's just a rock hewn tomb. In Matthew it's Joseph's own "new" tomb. In Luke it's a tomb where "no one had ever been laid." In John it's now a "garden tomb" and the burial is accompanied by 75 lbs of myrrh and aloes!
10. The description of Joseph also evolves. In Mark he is a "distinguished member of the council." Matthew omits this and instead calls him a "disciple" of Jesus. Luke says he was a "good and upright man who did not consent to the Sanhedrin's plan and action." John says he was a "secret disciple for fear of the Jews." In the gospel of Peter he's even called a friend of Pilate! His character is so fluid and the evolution of his character is so apparent that we are justified in questioning whether this figure has any basis in historical fact at all. If the story can evolve this much from 70-100 CE then how much did it evolve from 30-70 CE?
11. The location of gJohn's "garden tomb" seems to contradict it being Joseph's "own" tomb as in the synoptics. In gJohn the location was chosen out of haste due to the Sabbath fast approaching. It's unlikely the historical Joseph owned a tomb nearby the gruesome site of crucifixion. In gJohn Mary asks the gardener for the body as if it didn't belong there due to being someone else's property. So it seems we have contradictory locations of where Jesus was buried.
12. There isn't really any independent attestation of the empty tomb since all gospels follow the same burial sequence and discovery from Mark - burial by Joseph, discovery by women, missing body. We know for a fact that Matthew and Luke copied Mark, thus they're not independent and John was written so late that it becomes extremely unlikely that he hadn't ever heard the Markan narrative.
13. Lastly, the original story in Mark just has Jesus' body miraculously disappear without an appearance report since the original ends at 16:8. This is consistent with other "missing body" stories from antiquity that are employed to signal "this person was special" or that "a miracle has occurred." There were other stories of Jewish prophets and Greco-Roman gods/heroes whose bodies go missing so the Jesus story is just par for the course really. In Dale Allison's new book he even concedes this is the most "formidable" objection to the empty tomb.
For more reasons see Matti Myllykoski, _'What Happened to the Body of Jesus?'_ in the book Fair Play.
This was fantastic, thank you
Very well done.
You should look into the origins of the fictional Abrahamic god as well.
*Although the biblical narratives depict Yahweh as the sole creator god, lord of the universe, and god of the Israelites especially, initially he seems to have been Canaanite in origin and subordinate to the supreme god El.* Canaanite inscriptions mention a lesser god Yahweh and even the biblical Book of Deuteronomy stipulates that *“the Most High, El,* gave to the nations their inheritance” and that “Yahweh's portion is his people, Jacob and his allotted heritage” (32:8-9). A passage like this reflects the early beliefs of the Canaanites and Israelites in polytheism or, more accurately, henotheism (the belief in many gods with a focus on a single supreme deity). *The claim that Israel always only acknowledged one god is a later belief cast back on the early days of Israel's development in Canaan.*
*It is generally accepted in the modern day, however, that Yahweh originated in southern Canaan as a lesser god in the Canaanite pantheon* and the Shasu, as nomads, most likely acquired their worship of him during their time in the Levant.
*Yahweh in the Canaanite Pantheon*
The biblical narrative, however, is not as straightforward as it may seem as it also includes reference to the Canaanite god El whose name is directly referenced in `Israel' (He Who Struggles with God or He Who Perseveres with God). *El was the chief deity of the Canaanite pantheon and the god who, according to the Bible, gave Yahweh authority over the Israelites:*
When the *Most High [El]* gave to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of men, he fixed the bounds of the peoples according to the number of the Sons of God. For Yahweh's portion is his people, Jacob his allotted heritage. (Deuteronomy 32:8-9, Masoretic Text).
The Canaanites, like all ancient civilizations, worshipped many gods but chief among them was the sky-god El. *In this passage from Deuteronomy, El gives each of the gods authority over a segment of the people of earth and Yahweh is assigned to the Israelites who, in time, will make him their supreme and only deity; but it is clear he existed beforehand as a lesser Canaanite god.*
Yahweh, according to Amzallag, was transformed from one god among many to the supreme deity by the Israelites in the Iron Age (c.1200-930 BCE) when iron replaced bronze and the copper smelters, whose craft was seen as a kind of transformative magic, lost their unique status. *In this new age, the Israelites in Canaan sought to distance themselves from their neighbors in order to consolidate political and military strength and so elevated Yahweh above El as the supreme being and claimed him as their own.* His association with the forge, and with imagery of fire, smoke, and smiting, worked as well in describing a god of storms and war and so Yahweh's character changed from a deity of transformation to one of conquest.
*As the Israelites developed their community in Canaan, they sought to distance themselves from their neighbors and, as noted, elevated Yahweh above the traditional Canaanite supreme deity El.* They did not, however, embrace monotheism at this time. The Israelites remained a henotheistic people through the time of the Judges, which predates the rise of the monarchy, and throughout the time of the Kingdom of Israel (c.1080-c. 722).
Google *"Yahweh - **WorldHistory.Org.**"*
Watch Dr Christine Hayes at Yale University. Watch lecture 7 from 30:00 minutes onwards and lecture 8 from 12:00 to 19:00 minutes.
Google *"Jews and Arabs Descended from Canaanites - Biblical Archaeology Society."*
Google *"Canaanite Religion - New World Encyclopaedia."*
Google *"Canaanite Religion - **Realhistoryww.com**"*
Google *"Canaanite Phoenician Origin of the God of the Israelites."*
Google *"God's Wife Edited Out of the Bible - Almost."*
Google *"Yahweh's Divorce from the Goddess Asherah in the Garden of Eden - Mythology Matters."*
Google *"Married Deities: Asherah and Yahweh in Early Israelite Religion - Yahweh Elohim."*
Google *"How the Jews Invented God and Made Him Great- Archaeology - Haaretz."*
Google *"The Invention of God - Maclean's"*
Google *"The Boundaries of the Nations - Yahweh Elohim."*
Google *"Excerpt from “Yahweh and the Gods and Goddesses of Canaan” by John Day - Lehi's Library."*
Google *"How Did the Bible’s Editors Conceal Evidence of Israelite Polytheism - Evolution of God by Robert Wright."*
Google *"A Theologically Revised Text: Deuteronomy 32:8-9 - Ancient Hebrew Poetry."*
Google *"Biblical Contradiction #3: Which God is the Creator of the Heavens and Earth: Yahweh or El?"*
Google *"Biblical Contradiction #27. Are Yahweh and El the Same God or Not?"*
Google *"Mark Smith: "Yahweh as El’s Son & Yahweh's Ascendancy - Lehi's Library."*
Google *"Quartz Hill School of Theology - B425 Ugarit and the Bible."*
Google *"The Origins of Yahweh and the Revived Kenite Hypothesis - Is That in the Bible?"*
Google *"Yahweh, god of metallurgy - Fewer Lacunae."*
Google *"Polytheistic Roots of Israelite Religion - Fewer Lacunae."*
Google *"Biblical Polytheism - Bob Seidensticker."*
Google *"Religious Studies: El, Yahweh and the Development of Monotheism in Ancient Israel."*
Google *"Decoupling YHWH and El - Daniel O. McClellan."*
Google *"Yhwh, God of Edom - Daniel O. McClellan."*
Google *"The Most Heiser: Yahweh and Elyon in Psalm 82 and Deuteronomy 32 - Religion at the Margins"* based on the *majority scholarly consensus.*
How is this not a pinned comment?
This is exciting; an hour long Paulogia video! I look forward to watching it later when I am free from distractions.
I'll be interested to see whether they buried Paul in a tomb, or if they tossed him in a mass grave with the other common criminals
i like watching Michael Jones pleading with tom jump. michael jones gets really bewildered whenever anyone shows he's wrong, he has real insecurity.
Insecurity seems to be a common reason for getting into apologetics.
I am glad I don't have to tap dance like apologists inorder to keep believing in what isn't evidently true
HAHAHAHA I haven't even watched yet but just the idea of some Christians thinking they outwitted or out-argued Paulogia on ANYTHING written in the Bible, is simply laughable.
Just wait until you see their video refuting WetPaperBag's videos! It should be even more entertaining for you.
@@EdwardHowton
Ironically those three bottom of the barrel Apologists wouldn’t be able to debate their way out of a wet paper bag.😂
IPee at least pretends to be objective… but the only difference to the other Jokers is that he makes it harder to refute his arguments because you have to spend hours reading his sources to point out where he cherrypicked, misrepresented or simply misunderstood the data.😂
@@ramigilneas9274 I saw one of his videos about atheist being more biased. That was hysterical... Sighted a bunch of papers and his premises didn't add up to the conclusion.
@@ramigilneas9274 ...yes that was in fact the joke I was making
How he's not invincible
YAY, Paulogia! Thanks for the longer than usual video!
Thanks Paul, great breakdown. I appreciate the amount of research you put into this.
Thanks for answering Mike Winger, who is so afraid of dr Ehrman that he stutters and fumbles and breaks the eight commandment of his own deity to get around the facts. When the goal sanctifies the means, other humans are dispensable, I guess - but his world view smell kind of like a rotten corpse.
There’s no way Mike Winger would debate Dr. Ehrman because he would get laughed of the stage.
@@reeseexplains8935 Yeah, Mike Winger doesn't even do debates anymore: ua-cam.com/users/postUgwj49_G6v7W_vTzt0Z4AaABCQ
Idk Mike seems like a decent guy, people just get in too deep with their belief, I think he's far less arrogant than many other apologists
Ehrman has been nuked in so many debates. Watch ALL of of them, not just the ones titled "Ehrman crushes Christian..." and the ilk that are clickbait.
@@Cori761 - LOL. Why don't you post some links and prove you are right instead of trowing a - so far - unsubstantiated claim out here? I'd like to see the so many debates, yes indeed
Thank you for a clear and concise detailed refutation of these christian apologists. Keep up the good work!
This was a fantastic deep dive into their responses. Well worth the wait 👍
The whole POINT of crucifixion was to humiliate a person by 1) subjecting them to agonizing torture, 2) treat their body with the utmost contempt by allowing it to rot in public and be eaten by animals, and 3) deprive them of a dignified burial. This is typical of a brutal regime like that of the Roman Empire. In a society in which death was ever present in the form of famine, disease, war, and accident, in which few people lived past 40, threatening death was merely a traffic-ticket level punishment. Real punishment was to humiliate and degrade people in their death. This attitude continued in most societies until modern times --- for example, medieval Christians considered being "denied Christian burial" to be a dishonour more humiliating than death, and people convicted of witchcraft were buried unmarked beneath a crossroad to damn them -- the idea being that they would have no proper grave and that their remains would be casually trod upon by as many people as possible. In the Roman Empire, being thrown into an unmarked grave was not just a common, but an integral part of the punishment.
Remnants of this kind of thinking survived well into the modern era, here and there. For example, the Catholic Church refusal to bury suicides on "hallowed ground". And as late as the 19th century, in my very Catholic country of Portugal, there was a peasant riot in the Northern and more conservative region over the authorities finally transitioning to burials in graveyards as opposed to burials inside the church building as had been routinely done for centuries on end. The peasants were furious because in their mind, a graveyard was not consecrated ground and thus all burials there represented a grave offence.
Most of this is correct, except the "past 40" part. This arises out of confusion about how average life spans are calculated. Those go over _all_ people, everyone who is born. Given how many children died in the very first years, once you pass that limit, your average lifespan rapidly rises.
Also in Isaiah, the King of Babylon is to be punished by being denied a King's proper burial.
@@KaiHenningsen As a historian, I'm quite aware of the childhood death factor in calculating average life spans. I'm also well aware that this "correction" has been grossly and uncritically over-used by secondary sources and popular history books. It does not help that often studies have focused on "ideal" samples from specialized contexts ---- e.g. age studies taken in graveyards in which only relatively secure and prosperous groups are represented. Yes, in the Roman Empire, in respectable urban graveyards serving the equivalent of the "comfortable middle class" who were regularly fed by the state with food produced by slaves on the latifundia, and the recipients of vast resources taken from conquered territories, you get average lifespans that are not bad for pre-industrial societies. These are not even remotely typical conditions. On the very few occasions when we've been able to study the skeletons of slaves (not the relatively well-off domestic ones, but the far more numerous water carriers and hard-labour slaves owned by consortia) we find average lifespans of 30-35. The average survival time of slaves in the mines was about a year --- and millions of people were rapidly terminated in these death-pits. We simply have no reliable information for the overwhelming majority of humanity, which was scattered in the countryside, but we have plenty of parallel examples of similar peasant populations in more modern times. The chances of the average person, even after passing through the childhood mortality filter, managing to dodge famines, wars, plagues, and accidents in a lifetime of physically dangerous work were very poor. Those who did get past forty were not only lucky, but they knew they were lucky, and we have plenty of records of them saying so.
@@Nocturnalux Most interesting. In England, the distinction was between the "churchyard" as hallowed ground and elsewhere as unhallowed. In many English country villages, one still has to walk through a yard full of old graves to reach the Church door, and the "lychgate" [literally "corpse gate"] marks the boundary between hallowed and unhallowed ground. In Canada, this was apparently never the practice, and separate graveyards were maintained from the earliest settlements. However, in Toronto only Anglicans and Catholics were permitted such burial, and other denominations had to find a spot outside of the city limits. Jews had to go as far as Montreal to find a graveyard. A giant cemetery, open to all, was built in 1876, and it was expressly intended to put an end to the sectarian snobbery and squabbles that had plagued the city. Today it has 168,000 residents (if that's the appropriate word). But down the street from my apartment there is the old Necropolis, which is filled with the graves of many historical figures of early Upper Canada.... mostly with Scottish names. Too many, alas, were buried young, swept away by cholora and typhoid fever. Even in the city, it could be a hard life. In the country frontier settlements it was harder. In one community of early Gaelic-speaking Highland Scottish settlers that I studied, a quarter of the settlement was wiped out by malaria in the first year.
Even if we give them every part of the story, it completely stops at the point that the magic happens.
The problem with giving that much is their next move is to say “You need explain the empty tomb”. In their mind, resurrection is true unless we can show another explanation.
That is the wrong approach to my mind. The right approach is to point out that there is no extra-biblical evidence Jesus’ body was placed in a tomb. If the body wasn’t in the tomb, there doesn’t need to be an explanation of where it went.
@@JohnSmith-fz1ih There is no problem whatsoever. Pretending there’s a problem is the problem. It’s plausible there was an empty tomb (or as I prefer to call it, a missing body), and that’s why Jesus’s followers came to believe he was resurrected. So what?? Whether the body was or wasn’t in a tomb, it’s lost to us now, thus the odds of a resurrection having occurred are the same. The bad look is arguing this point as if it’s relevant to the claim of resurrection being true. It just isn’t.
@@JohnD808 *Pretending there’s a problem is the problem*
I didn’t pretend there’s a problem. I gave my opinion that it’s a mistake to accept all of the Christians claims up until the point where the supernatural kicks in. To do so is to agree with them that there’s a mystery to solve. Having a conversation about how best to solve the mystery is a mistake in my opinion. Having a conversation about the level of evidence that there was a body, and it was in a tomb, and then it disappeared - that’s the correct conversation to have.
I haven’t seen anything in your response to suggest why my opinion on this is wrong. I disagree that it’s a bad look not to accept a whole bunch of baseless claims at face value and thus to buy into the fanciful belief that there’s a mystery to solve.
@@JohnSmith-fz1ih I’m not talking about accepting ‘baseless claims’. I’m talking about rejecting claims because they are ‘problematic’. That’s dishonest. The only ‘problem’ in your logic is the belief that a conceivable answer to the ‘mystery’ of a historical tomb robbery is a physical resurrection. That’s nonsense. It’s equally likely Jesus’s disciples saw his physical, post-death, resurrected self with or without an ‘empty tomb’.
7:27 - "For the evidence tells me so. (musical notes) - Mr. B"
"Knew your father, I did!"
"Bart Ehrman's very misleading book" instead of: one of the most expert scholars in the field, Professor Ehrman, does not agree with me.
1:07 As a Mario player I am offended that you used the pipe sound, while the characters on screen collected a power-up.
fair. I needed a triple-sound.
@@Paulogia You could have used the super mushroom or any Mario powerup sound.
An hour long video… I’ve been craving something like this for ages.
Why do all those hoomans keep stealing Rhino's voice?! xD
That's just Rhino's VTuber Avatar.
Mike Winger's library is lit! Literally. With blue LEDs. Wow. Wow. Wow.... Wow.
Reminds of the psychologist in the latest matrix movie, especially with those blue glasses!
Interesting. It seems that overall Christians are heppy to achieve simply 'Yeh, but it's possible Jesus could have been buried', and still they don't have any hook, line and sinker moment for that low bar.
Had Jesus been buried instead of entombed, there would be no story. People come back to life after many convenient elements. There’s a reason Jesus can resurrect but the beheaded John the Baptist doesn’t.
@@imjessietr29 At least read the text if you're going to criticize it. The text makes clear the Jesus and John characters have fundamental differences. You don't have to believe the text to take the effort to understand it.
I don't know why burial prevents resurrection. Eric Draven was buried and he resurrected.
Jesus Christ is real and He loves you. He fulfilled over 100 Old Testament prophecies ( Isaiah 53 and Zechariah 9 being one of the most pronounced). No amount of good works or righteousness (which as an atheist you have no bases for) will save you. It is by the grace of God, through faith, that we are saved. Jesus took all our sins and was resurrected on the third day for our justification. Soon Jesus Christ will come back to judge the earth, don't wait, since tomorrow is not guaranteed.
@@bananaman5554 Or as universalists believe everyone is saved.
Whoa that hour flew by! Wonderful presentation Paul.
44:41 "The fact that we have found two is a lot." Statistics, what's that?
What is missing from this video is that Josephus describes the daily rate of Roman crucifixions during the siege of Jerusalem as high as _300 per day,_ so statistically speaking, finding those 2 cases is of marginal importance at best.
When the Romans took to crucifixion, they almost did it on an industrial scale. There would have been a metric shit-ton of Roman crucifixion victims in first century Judea.
Jesus Christ is real and He loves you. He fulfilled over 100 Old Testament prophecies ( Isaiah 53 and Zechariah 9 being one of the most pronounced). No amount of good works or righteousness (which as an atheist you have no bases for) will save you. It is by the grace of God, through faith, that we are saved. Jesus took all our sins and was resurrected on the third day for our justification. Soon Jesus Christ will come back to judge the earth, don't wait, since tomorrow is not guaranteed.
@@bananaman5554 - that's an excellent summary of Christian _mythology._
I'm only concerned about the truth, not the mythology. So ... it's any of the mythology actually true?
@@pauligrossinoz everything in it is true. Over 100 prophecies and the return of Israel have been completed. If prophecies, Moses, Jesus and others can not convince you, then nothing will. Your morals are written on your heart by God, His creation speaks truth to His works (cells, DNA, our plant positioning, the sheer fact how each of our body parts works, weather, the universe) and if you can't see that, then i cant help you. I wasn't always a Christian but i am now, bc i submitted and humbled myslef, instead of my flawed logic. God has helped me so much, overcoming my sinful life.
@@bananaman5554 - before you decide what might and might not convince _me_ ... what about _you?_
Are you willing to accept that you are like me, a mere human, and that anything you currently believe could actually be wrong?
I'm willing to accept the consequences of my own humanity:
*_I fully admit that anything I currently believe could actually be wrong._*
Anyone who can't make that plain admission of their own limitations is an arrogant fool.
So ... *are you also willing to admit to the consequences of your own humanity, just like me?*
Thanks Paul, your work on UA-cam is really good - thank you.
Wow. So much work goes into this! Itr really impressive!
A thing that gets me is the lack of supporting reports. All there is are the NT stories.
3 Chrstians walk into a bar.... sorry, that's all I've got. (First thing that came into my head.)
Ouch
Isn’t that end times prophecy?
A dyslexic person walked into a bra
An Evangelical, a Catholic and an Anglican walk up to the front door of a pub
As they try to enter, a very drunk man steps out. He tells each Christian that he's Jesus Christ. All of them disagree, and he tells them, "I can prove this is my second coming." He turns around and walks back into the pub with the three Christians, and the Landlord cries, "Jesus Christ, you back again?"
I wonder if the sound they made echoed...
I asked this question in Sunday school, "If Jesus was given this high profile crucifixion, and crucifixion victims were left to rot, why did they allow Jesus to be taken down and buried?"
I was told not to ask questions.
Damn, Paulogia calling them out in one video, Boss move!
I'm dying. This intro has me weak 🤣🤣
That. Was. The. Greatest. Intro.
EVER.
That’s an objective truth.
why thank you
Excuse me for being silly, but the Creator of the Universe lets 21st century Christian apologists argue about what happened to a *"dead"* body, instead of making clear what actually happened ? Hmm ! It shouldn't be a problem for a maximally powerful being to put some meat on the bones, but apparently he doesn't bother. Almost as if he ain't there at all !
@Poltiticslogicallyreformed. I don't see any fallacy. The funny thing is that for all the claims about the Christian God and his so-called super powers, he apparently does *nothing* at all in the world. Yes, I would expect some action from this God if he existed.
@Poltiticslogicallyreformed. It either means this god doesn't exist or it does exist and just doesn't give a shit. Which isn't something that fits the definition of what the Christian god supposedly is. These are the only possibilities.
Why are you giggling, Mike? Lol Paul is awesome
I'd like proof that Joseph of Arimathea existed, that Arimathea existed and that jeebus existed.
Are you telling me that you don't believe Good-disciple-town is a real place?!? 😲
It's right next to BFE.
It's in Canada, you wouldn't know it, but it is super real.. my brother's friend's cousin rescued a dog from there...😉
Wait, which gospel is the right one again? Can we iron out the contradictions and inconsistencies before claiming one knows that zombies are real?
Still waiting to learn what actually is "Inspiring" about his "Philosophy".
The best way to defeat a Winger is obviously to release an hour long video...
Who is actually doing all the research Winger claims to do?
Getting into debates about what Jewish leaders claimed after Jesus was crucified feels exactly like getting into what Harry Potter did after finally defeating Voldemort.
Like, okay, is any of that based in reality?
Well, the Harry Potter books were far more consistent than the bible. (Also more readable.)😁
The source is Matthew. The same total truth teller who gave us the zombie apocalypse.
to be fair, JK Rowling might give us 3 more conflicting, yet canon, endings on twitter and we'd be in the same predicament.
I think that is the point. Many/most Christians believe the Bible stories are unrefuted facts. Paulogia is showing that they are not historical facts.
But Potter makes for a much more likable hero. Much, much more likable. And much less... murdery, genocidal, slaver-ish, and rapey, too.
Thx Paul, another impeccably argued video. As always your material is presented in such an engaging way I only realised the duration when I glanced at the progress bar and thought my browser was faulty. Keep up the great work 😀👍.
PS - hope you have found new accommodation and are settling in.
Jesus Christ is real and He loves you. He fulfilled over 100 Old Testament prophecies ( Isaiah 53 and Zechariah 9 being one of the most pronounced). No amount of good works or righteousness (which as an atheist you have no bases for) will save you. It is by the grace of God, through faith, that we are saved. Jesus took all our sins and was resurrected on the third day for our justification. Soon Jesus Christ will come back to judge the earth, don't wait, since tomorrow is not guaranteed.
Excellent work, as always.
Enjoyed the 1 hour video. Thank you for all your heard work.
Great job, Paul. And it's been my experience - admittedly, more limited than yours - that Christians nearly _always_ want to argue against a position I don't hold. Even after I tell them my position, they'd rather pretend that I hold some _other_ position, apparently because they think they'll have an easier job arguing against that one.
I don't have your patience. So it's a good thing - for that and many other reasons, too - that _you're_ the one making the videos. :)
Thanks!
Cheers, bill!
Jesus Christ is real and He loves you. He fulfilled over 100 Old Testament prophecies ( Isaiah 53 and Zechariah 9 being one of the most pronounced). No amount of good works or righteousness (which as an atheist you have no bases for) will save you. It is by the grace of God, through faith, that we are saved. Jesus took all our sins and was resurrected on the third day for our justification. Soon Jesus Christ will come back to judge the earth, don't wait, since tomorrow is not guaranteed.
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_Jesus Christ is real and He loves you._
*Evidence?*
_He fulfilled over 100 Old Testament prophecies_
*Evidence?*
That's an easy claim to make. Can you back up that claim with even *one* example? Make your case, if you can.
_It is by the grace of God, through faith, that we are saved._
*Evidence?*
_Jesus took all our sins and was resurrected on the third day for our justification._
*Evidence?*
_Soon Jesus Christ will come back to judge the earth_
*Evidence?*
Sorry, but you sound like a crazy person, to me. If you've got anything at all, then _make your case._ Otherwise, I'll take you exactly as seriously as you deserve.
Easy Paul, I.P. will come at you with irrelevant “metaphysics and mystery of consciousness” argument next, gotta wonder if the Bible is such a lock on truth, why the ambiguous quantum physics bloviating?
Uh… because philosophistry?
Even if true, doesn't prove Biblicism at all.
Belated Harpy Anniversary to you and Shannon :)
Just a note for Paul.
Great choice with your opening jingle, i can't help but whistle along every time i hear it. 😋
To me, its the fact that the Romans would not just leave a person on the crucifix for 3 hours. They would be there for days to make an example out of them.
I've always said this. If you don't start with the belief Jesus had to be special, then the insistence he received special treatment (being taken down the same day he was crucified, and given his own tomb) seems so completely out of place.
@@Thoron_of_Neto dont forget he wasnt crucified in a public place, it was a private garden. More special treatment.
@@Thoron_of_Neto according to their stories, Pilate himself was acquinted with the trial of Jesus and he was sympathetic to him.
Read the text, idiots. The text explains what happened to the body, why legs were broken, why legs weren't broken, why the bodies were removed by sunset.
But no, you don't believe the text, so you would be contaminated to actually read it and find out why your supposed gotchas are utterly lame.
You don't have to believe the text; you don't have to disbelieve. But if you're going to criticize it, at least read it.
Under Jewish law hanged bodies had to brought down before the sabbath which begins at sunset. To kill the thieves before sunset their legs were broken so they would suffocate. Asking stupid questions answered in the text is stupid.
What would be a smart question is what do records say about Romans honoring Jewish law? They honored some Jewish laws. Any record they honored Jewish laws on executions in Judea with all the Jews watching? I don't know, but unlike you this isn't the hill I want to die on.
@@nemdenemam9753 He's not that sympathetic in Mark but then Matthew and Luke added all that Pilate sympathized with Jesus stuff.
Good video on the crucifixion ... you really NAILED it. (don't get cross with me)
As always your work is precise and the criticism valid. Well done!👍 hitting the nail on the head! Bravo ?
Loving this channel
Thanks for another carefully considered video. It's always a pleasure to follow your line of thinking and note where we agree - or disagree. Rather than being dogmatic, you are simply direct, and clear.
Thanks again!
No, thank you!
"History's coming alive!" produced a real-life spit-take.
Brilliant and by all appearances, a flawless analysis and defence of that analysis of the varsity of claims of Jesus’s resurrection.
I think Paulogia is too honest to be an effective Christian apologist.
The reason why they triple up together against you is that your points are good. They can feel (if not even see) the danger you are posing to their arguments.
This puts their whole world view at risk. They are scared. Don't ever stop - you're doing well!
I have no respect for inspiring philosophy since he quote mine quantum physicists, even a physicists criticism classical physics. He had to nit pick allot of try to prove a point what wasn't even close to the original. So dishonest made me sick.
Here is the problem with an argument from silence: there is no reason to expect that any of the relevant authorities would have looked at the tiny cult of one apocalyptic preacher (numbering in only the few thousands, and scattered across large parts of the Roman Empire) and thought that they needed to address any of the claims of the cult in the first century. The Jewish leaders of Jerusalem certainly had bigger problems by the time that the gospels were being written, what with the destruction of Jerusalem and such. The fact that the tiny cult eventually grew into a dominant religion could not have been foretold in the first century, so the silence is expected.
There was a long time gap between the Atheist websites and forums era, and the UA-cam era. Evangelicals took on social media faster than active non-believers. Thanks for the work again
It's also non-miraculous that a group of people from the Mediterranean around the start of the common era used the sailing knowledge available at the time to venture across the Atlantic ocean and made contact with the indigenous communities living on what we now call the Americas, or even established some colonies there.
It COULD have happened.
I just don't believe for a second that it did.
They used submarines, silly. /s.
I have a very simple response to most aplogetics, "Sure that's possible, but is it PLAUSIBLE." so many Christian arguments boil down to, "If we can have a possible explanation, then it proves the skeptic wrong." regardless of how plausible it is.
AKA is it possible that you can line up all the gossples that contradict each other up, sure or is it more plausible that they were individuals writing the gospels that never intended for them to be read side by side and can't really be put together.
You are right to question and ask for evidence.
Something I see a lot though is, in the mind of the theist, claims of miracles don’t need to be plausible. They’ve already accepted that there exists a being that is all-powerful. It can literally do anything it wants. So to a theist it’s not a problem if something is incredibly unlikely. By definition, the being they already believe in can do incredibly unlikely things at will. They have no qualms at all with implausible things being done.
I find it can be useful to name this up and question why they believe an all-powerful being exists. “If an all-powerful God exists then obviously He can resurrect dead humans if he wants to. I’m interested in why you came to believe an all-powerful God does exist though. I assume it was compelling evidence that led you to this belief so I’m interested in knowing what that evidence is.” This is likely to be much harder for the theist to justify because an implausible reason won’t do here. It would be irrational to believe in an all-powerful God for unlikely/implausible reasons so if they want to be seen as having a rational belief then they need to give a good reason in response to this question. Which is something you and I both know they cannot do, because there is no evidence that justifies belief in al all-powerful being.
I would really love it if you did a video on the book of Daniel🙌🏿🙌🏿keep up the good work paul
A long Paulogia video?? Sign me up! Along with #DigitalHammurabi this channel is by far the content I look forward to the most.
A lot of the apologist argument seems to be about the same as a golfer claiming a hole in one, because a hole in one sometimes happens. So you should believe his claim, even though he has no independent evidence that his specific hole in one actually happened. Umm?
Rigamarole: resurrection, empty tomb, Joel Olsteen
I think that apologists miss the fact that the mere fact of crucifixion strongly implies some condemnation for the charge of sedition. I don't know why they miss this fact, given that there is abundant evidence for Romans crucifying people for sedition.
@Convert Crucifixion was applied in three contexts:
1. Slave rebellion (think Spartacus and his followers).
2. Pirates
3. Enemies of the state
As far as we know, Jesus was no slave. We have no evidence of him being a pirate. That leaves .....
@@EscepticoHumanistaUU apologetics for pirate gladiator Jesus coming up
another great work there paul.
Damn Heat is a great movie. Great taste Paul.
My favorite.
Again great work Paul!
It is amazing that almost a decade later, Bart Ehrman's 'How Jesus became God', still causes fits of outrage and indignation among Christians. I guess anything that challenges the narrative set forth in the sacred cinematic artifact 'the greatest story ever told' is blasphemy that must be driven from the public.
The slow but steady impact of these works cannot be underestimated. Wikipedia and UA-cam are the enemy of irrational belief.
Heehee love the title!! Can’t wait to listen!
Hope you like it!
This is sooo great Paul!!! 😄😄😄