Even having seen it it is actually hard to believe that it is giving out after only 600ish rounds. Great work im about to go down the rabbit hole with your channel to see how others hold up, specifically looking for a bcm comparison.
Before everyone shits on DD, was this a Govt profile or a SOCOM profile? If the barrel was Govt, then this is a known issue with full auto fire. Govt profile barrels fail around 400-500 rounds when firing full auto with carbine gas. This is what drove the upgrade from the M4 to the M4A1. Original M4 was made for support troops and had NO full auto, only 3 round burst with Govt profile barrel. Special Forces liked the compact size, but not the burst fire, so they took M4 uppers and combined them with M16A1 lowers they had with full auto FCG. During their exercises, they had barrel failures. This led to the development of the SOCOM barrel to handle the full auto fire. If this was a Govt profile barrel, then DD EXCEEDED the typical lifespan of the Govt barrel on full auto.
I believe part of the reason the barrels are dropping is how the muzzle device is designed to blow gas upwards to reduce muzzle rise. As the barrel heats up that pressure from the muzzle device jetting gas upwards is what pushes the barrel down.
That's just a flash suppressor. The barrel is drooping because where it gets the hottest is the thinnest in this barrel profile is melting, and getting pulled down by the heavy part at the end...
They do surprisingly well if they’re assembled properly. I ran 300 55gr through one of their cheap-o 11.5 uppers on my pre-86 SP1 conversion lower with no hiccups. Would I trust it with my life as an everyday duty upper? No. But I was pretty surprised it ran without issues.
You can see the barrel sagging right before the blowout. Damn. I remember being a 249 saw gunner in the infantry when I would shoot 100 and 200 round nutsacks and the barrel just glowing
So here is my takeaway... My DD is far more accurate than my Spear LT, Far more. My Spear LT will last better under crazy sustained fire than my DD, far more. This is justification for another gun safe for my specific rifle needs!!!..... Keep up the great work!
The gas block will always blow before your barrels even goes out of spec unless the barrel is repeatedly stressed like this, at least on fn/colt, so either they have a very good gas block or barrels that aren’t as great. You could tell it was getting very over gassed though and this is one of only a couple meltdowns I’ve seen where the gas tube isn’t what failed
@@599Dan If anyone ever has to fire their rifle in a manner similar to this they’re likely not gonna last as long as the gun lol but the socom barrel profile was intended to stop bending when “dropped” but the army had always realized this was unnecessary since before they even issued the profile. The issue was the barrels not being replaced after likely hundreds of extreme cooling cycles which were warping barrels. The gas tube is designed so it will fail far before the barrel. That being said it’s not like you can’t make them out of some crazy material that can take the heat. I’ve never been a dd fanboy but man I’m disappointed with this guy’s result. The angle of ejection changed almost immediately, indicating it was stretching to become overgassed, I really always thought dd barrels were high quality despite the hype but now I’m not so sure. I’d personally get an FN cold hammer forged over Daniel Defense after seeing this video
@@shadoraeveon9312dude this is a ridiculous test. Knock it off. This is such a stupid ass thing to take seriously. You don’t know a single person who will ever do this in a real world scenario. None of y’all can even own machine guns lmao. This is completely irrelevant. Tbh, I prefer bcm over dd as my personal experience is bcm has been consistently better. I own both and a knights 11.5 and a radian 14.5. I would never do this to ANY of my guns..it’s just so stupid. It’s not representative of anything other than “don’t mag dump that gun for 10 straight minutes or something bad might happen.” There is a reason machine guns have specialized barrels….
You can find a video of the colt socom being melted down on here in a gov test. My guess would be a DD socom would last a bit longer than the Colt being that it’s CHF, but it’s anyone guess till we see it.
Not saying that we should never buy premium rifles. But it's funny how lots of people insist on companies like Daniel Defense because it's "more reliable, yet this malfunctioned at 200 rounds less than a S&W M&P Sport II and had a more catastrophic failure. Just shows me how the main factor in getting a fighting rifle is more about just getting a good rifle rather than an expensive one.
My DDM7 Pro has never let me down. Then again, I’m not try to melt the barrel with a bazillion rounds either. I feel confident that in any self defense situation, my AR will function as it should.
Reliability isn’t the point of these meltdowns. The point of them is mainly entertainment but also its interesting to see when some manufacturers do a lot better then others and why
I was originally going with Geissele SMR but the QC was shit at the time to the point that they had to make a whole promo on website just to sell blemishes with machining fuck ups and the rails were paper thin and bending like paper, I went with MR556 instead ending up also getting a DD Socom limited edition with heavy barrel
@@mossydog34you’re supposed to swap barrels on dedicated MGs like the saw. You wouldn’t run a cyclic 600 between barrel changes. Also the heat shield can come off the saw so that the heat isn’t trapped in like a Ris iii.
@jax2045 The advantage of the saw is the open bolt. The AR15 has a close bolt that traps heat. But the FH barrels have double the chrome lining compared to other AR15 barrels.
Would like to see how the v7 pro, with the strength to weight profile, would hold up. Not sure why DD still uses government profile barrels; especially on the ris series. I know they offer a SOCOM profile through Brownells, but it would be nice to have more factory barrel options. Palmetto offers a 20 inch fsp upper with an H-bar profile, and that would be another interesting test.
Cool! As a word of caution, after Scott DeShields' accident (Kentucky Ballistics), I wonder if some neck kevlar might be in order (?). Thanks for the video!
Could you try to do a strength to weight profile barrel from DD? They come in the v7 pro. I don't think it would fail in the same way this barrel did. Thanks for the vid!
Great video! That was pretty disappointing of DD. I was expecting upwards of 800-900 rounds minimum before any failures. Glad u guys are safe. Thanks for the video mate.
@@GoldenWebb with that many round count, the M&P 15 would be much more cost-effective. Not knocking the M&P it's a great entry rifle, but for the price of the DD, you can swap in a better upper and still have money left over for a spare barrel.
@@GoldenWebb Well no, this test is ultimately extremely unrealistic. You're pushing an AR to its absolute limits doing something the system was never designed to do. The AR15 is NOT a light support weapon. It's not a belt fed machine gun. Also, the problem you've identified isn't inherently a Daniel Defense issue. It's an issue with the absurd government profile which flies in the face of all known physics and metallurgy. If you get an imbalanced piece of metal red hot, it's going to bend in the direction of the largest unsupported mass and eventually if you keep getting it hotter and hotter that heavier end will just break off. Whether it's a barrel or not that is what will happen. You should try out a Criterion CORE or a Ballistic Advantage Hanson or a BCM ELW or something that uses a continuous taper. Obviously they'll still fail but they won't fail like this. What you've discovered here is what SOCOM discovered in the early 2000s which resulted in the SOCOM profile barrel. That was a silly answer to the problem because dudes were mag dumping on full auto like crazy in Vietnam and their barrels weren't bursting because they were using the barrel the rifle was originally designed with which is a pencil profile where the mass remains consistent throughout the length of the material. It actually might get thinner towards the muzzle but not significantly. The point is...they hung a whole bunch of weight at the end so now it bends and bursts when it gets red hot. This isn't in anyway an issue of poor quality from Daniel Defense. It's literally physics.
Out of curiosity, when was the last time you needed to fire 600 rounds continuously? It’s not disappointing, AR-15’s are notorious for having barrels or gas tubes rupture. They’re not meant to shoot like machine guns, short bursts are fine but anything substantial will cause issues.
Cannot believe DD’s CHF Barrels aren’t even lasting 1k rounds. Also I’d expect the gas tube to give out before that barrel. Maybe DD isn’t the premium company it used to be anymore.
I've been saying for years, gov't profile barrels are absolutely stupid and make zero sense. I don't buy factory rifles with this profile for this exact reason, I tend to build my own with better barrel profiles like Criterion or Centurion. That said, glad no one got hurt.
I agree . I've been saying for 10 plus years Gov Profile barrels are garbage . Have 0 clue why companies still make them. Centurion MIDWEIGHT HF , Criterion Core , BA Hanson , and Noveske HF Barrel profiles are my favorite. BA Hanson 0.750 Profile barrel is hard to beat for price and Performance. Gov Profile is like 0.625 diamter under the RAIL, whereas BA Hanson is 0.715 and Centurion Midweight HF is 0.740. An actual SOCOM Profile is 0.850 diameter under the Rail and Lightweight out front due to the M203 Cuts .
Criterion Core is a great barrel. Still haven't tried out a Centurion but everything I've seen and read about them suggests they're great shooters. I'll try one on my next setup.
@@Polarbear-nq9nd In full Auto Colt Socom goes about 960 rounds before it bursts. As for longevity I have 2 Colt M4A1s with 10k+ and Colt MK18 MOD 0 with 9k rounds
Looks like DD is a lot of hype. Watched a video recently of Anderson Manufacturing AR doing 1000 rounds full auto and it was still able to hold decent groupings after.
We’re trying brother. LWRC said they’d be sending us one about 3 months ago. With Black Friday, Christmas and shot show all stacked within 3 months it’s been rough on the industry. Talked with them last week and they are still sending it. No ETA as of now though
I don’t know why anyone is shitting on the government profile failing after 600 ish rounds. That’s better than can be expected for the profile, in my opinion/“experience”.
@@GoldenWebb understandable. I’m basing my opinion off old reporting of military testing where they took a colt rifle and did pretty much the exact same thing you did and it failed at a slightly lesser round count. Either way, seems to indicate a relative expectation of what will occur with such abuse.
You could have tested the V7 SLW upper. It has a tapered tinner profile. I suspect the added front weight of the goverment profile was the reason for failure.
The barrels keep going because dd keeps using government profile barrels and they blow in front of the gas block when they get hot. That's why the m4a1 uses socom profile barrel. Socom is heavier in front of thr gas block instead of using a pencil proflie till the gas block
I would like to see them do this test on an LWRC a lot of people claim Daniel defense to be a better rifle even though they both make their barrels in house I personally think the old WRC is a little higher quality and it’s definitely a more affordable rifle. I think Daniel defense makes a good quality rifle. Just don’t think that they’re worth what they’re asking for not when you can buy a BCM or an LRC for quite a bit less.
I want to see you guys do an Hk Mr556, just saw the Sig Spearlt and that was epic. Curious how the titan of piston guns would compare. Granted, the spear isnt an ar15, its more of an ar18, but still.
HK designed the MR556 to not run full auto. Several things have to be done to it for it to run in full auto. It’s easier to just melt a true HK 416 but I don’t have 5K to waste on an upper.
You keep saying you are being as safe as possible. However your helper not wearing eye protection contradicts that statement. Being he kept reaching around your or just that fast you guys are melting down a rifle that shouldn’t be over looked.
Hmm. A barrel failure is directly related to contour. As an example I switched from a heavy to scout contour on my 6.8spc build. I now know that I can't get crazy with continuous fire but the rifle is much lighter. So, why not do a battle of the contours. Government vs scout vs Socom vs heavy vs bull. The later should always way outperform the thinner contours
Hi you guys really need to do a Larue meltdown. As a Larue fan and owner of several Id be very curious and don't see many comments asking for Larue. Thank you
Now do a Colt M4. Which is THE standard for US combat troops. VERY rare to see a catastrophic failure while being used even in the WORST combat conditions. I think you'll find that the DD is just fine. Although not the super duty but definitely not bottom of the barrel. I'd also be curious to see what PSA, BCA, DB, Del-tons, and omni'd do too compared to the Gucci uppers
I really enjoy these meltdown videos. This one perfectly demonstrates how and why the M4A1 SOCOM barrel was born. I can only imagine being any of the Spec-Ops guys who fought through nasty enough situations until their barrel popped like that. You know they were trying to get out of some deep dookie if they were laying down suppressive fire on that level.
Sure, that's how things are supposed to work under normal circumstances for standard infantry troops. Still, that scenario was supposedly common enough in the Spec-Ops community to spur the development and adoption of the M4A1 SOCOM and its heavy profile barrel. At least, that's how it was explained in videos about the subject. @@jacksonconnelly1158
@@JR15A2 The SOCOM profile barrel was the wrong answer to the question at hand. However, the barrel bursting issue was apparently occurring in training not so much in real combat. It was some drill they were doing to break contact using the M4A1 as a makeshift support weapon. Now, why would I say the SOCOM barrel was the wrong answer? Well, back in Viet-fuckin-nam when every M16 had full auto and combat was often very short range dudes were mag dumping on full auto left and right and they did not experience the bursting barrel issue. They were using the pencil profile barrel which makes much more sense on a light and handy fighting rifle or carbine. Even with the older pencil barrels the accuracy deviation isn't all that severe but with modern stress relieved pencil profile barrels you will no longer have any POI shift. Instead your group will simply open up a bit but in a very predictable manner. This has been tested on youtube if you're interested in looking it up. Even with a suppressor so long as you zero with the suppressor on the gun a pencil profile would most likely be fine but even if that wasn't suitable you could just do a medium profile continuous taper and then you'd DEFINITELY be fine with a suppressor and the barrel won't burst AND it won't be so heavy. I dunno if you've ever handled an M4A1 with a SOCOM profile barrel but I own one(not full auto obviously, but its an M4A1 upper with a pinned and welded Surefire muzzle device) that uses the RIS2 quad rail and that rifle is WAY heavier than it really needs to be. It's not the rail either, I handled a rifle with the same rail but a gov profile barrel and the gun really wasn't much heavier than a URGI with the Geissele mlok rail. It was a little bit but not much. I think the difference between the Geissele Mk16 and the RIS2 is like 2oz? The lore around the SOCOM barrel also isn't true. It doesn't really retain its accuracy while its hot like is often claimed online nor is it significantly more accurate than a standard gov profile. 9hole reviews has an excellent video debunking these claims. It's a lot of weight without any legitimate gain. The reason the barrels stopped bursting is because the taper of the barrel not the amount of material.
9 hole review did not compare two comparable barrels. It was a flawed test. You need to test two compare a Colt socom barrel to a colt gov profile barrel as both are button broached and not a chf to a button broached barrel like 9 hole did. Hell yiu get accuracy differences frin an identical profile button broached and chf barrel. From 23 years of actual military experience in the military and most of that in socom and now a contractor for socom, yes we tend to see an added benefit to the heavier barrel and accuracy on the m4 platform on service rifles.
You are making the false assumption that their intention is to mimic "real world" or test the "design." They are testing the extreme engineering and materials as a comparison to other rifles.
@@AnonyMous-dc6ly nope! Not at all. Destroying something for the sake of destroying something and for clicks just doesn’t make sense to me. I don’t care who makes it.
Stoner designed the gas tube to fail before the barrel. That's what should happen. The barrels appear to be failing due to the government profile. It's an inherently weak point. The barrel overheats, droops due to gravity, and a round breaks/bursts through the side. The manufacturers should ditch the government profile, and use gas tubes that will actually fail before the barrel bursts. I hope they're paying attention. Glad to see you wearing appropriate PPE. Stay safe.
I’m curious about the LWRC barrel now. Being one of the few manufacturers that make their own CHF barrels in house I’ve always put a lot of stock into their quality. But after the DD only went 600 I am a little skittish now about the LWRC.
Being the barrel is not tapered at all and heavier profile should go longer. Spiral fluting can keep strength up also while making it lighter in weight. I have 2 DDs and one LWRC.
@@Canes-kh5bq haven't put enough rounds through the LWRC to really compare but like it so far. is heavier than my DDM4V7 milspec and much heavier than my DDM4V7 slw( which might do better in a melt down actually as barrel thickness not a drastic taper.) All of them have the Geissele SD-C triggers. was not crazy about the LWRC trigger either. actually a bit more gritty than the stock DDs which is weird as others I had felt were smooth. I bought the longer rail from LWRC and installed as I felt the original was too short for me. initially the DDs when charging felt smoother than the LWRC but that has smoothen out nicely now too. Really hard to say!! Oh I changed out the pistol grip on the LWRC too as it had too much angle for me. went with a more vertical Magpul thick grip. As they are now if SHTF I would grab any of them lol. BUT for the money I think the LWRC is a better value for the money.
I used to be a fan of Iraqveteran8888s meltdown videos. But yours are by far the best. Plus you actually make videos about guns rather than a bunch of political bull crap. Keep up the great work!
The political stuff is important. Most gun owners (you!) don’t know what’s going on and what the government is doing or trying to do. You sound like you support gun control. This way of life is clearly not for you Jeff
@wilhathaway1987 quite the contrary from whatever it is that you believe. I'm the type of person liberals warn you about. You are right political stuff does have its place. But that doesn't mean that we have to listen to it. Quite frankly when I see a UA-cam channel that actually talks about guns rather than political bulshit I become a fan. So if you like watching political stuff and you encourage other gun owners to watch it then by all means go watch it.
Watching this after i watched a review of the Trybe defense meltdown. Similar round count to failure but id much prefer a gas tube break $15 part Vs a whole barrel rupture $100+
In this case I genuinely believe it's less about the brand and more just that govt profile barrels aren't suitable for this application. Slim in the middle, heavy up front=sag. My guess is a BCM ELW or a 10.5 heavy barrel (to keep it from being front heavy) would last longer than any mid length govt profile no matter who makes it. Nothing wrong with DD barrels as a brand, just the wrong profile application.
Once again, you have proven to everyone that EXPENSIVE doesn’t mean better. I’d love to see the PSA CHF barrel and upper tested. I’ll bet it will hang or do better than any of those expensive name brand firearms.
Aero button barrel went 661. I’ve talked with PSA and they aren’t interested in doing meltdowns. We do have more Aero precisions coming, BCA, LWRC, and a bunch others
Iraq veteran did a PSA meltdown and I want to say it was in the 400 ballpark. CHF barrel upper and the barrel was actually still functional, gas tube just blew so in theory you could by another tube for a few bucks and keep going. That doesn't quite scream 4-5x the cost, but let's not hurt egos here
How about something with a Ballistic Advantage Hanson profile barrel? One of the performance series preferably so it's 4150CMV and not stainless since stainless isn't meant to really take that kind of abuse. I think BA is putting out great barrels and complete uppers especially for the price
@@GoldenWebb Aero owns BA so technically all BA barrels are "Aero" but not all Aero barrels are BA, BA is still their own small shop even though Aero owns them. BA's uppers will have a BA barrel and Aero receiver, and their Logic handguard is basically an updated Aero Atlas handguard. Being a smaller shop the QC on their barrels can be a little tighter. I bought one of their uppers with a Hanson on sale years ago expecting it to be a spare mess around upper and it ended up being my favorite upper, it shot better than two BCMs I have and felt noticeably nicer than a PSA that was similar in price and I kind of fell in love with it, it now has 8k rounds without so much as a hiccup and I ended up buying another one last month as a Christmas present to myself in another length and I love that one too. I did not expect to love their stuff as much as I did, so I bought the second one as a serious defensive one.
Is this your lower receiver used in all the videos? Or are these complete manufacturer specific rifle builds? Are the lowers still usable after these tests?
@@GoldenWebb Now, serious talking... I would suggest adding some DIY protection for the armpits. But most importantly, add a NECK GUARD to the Body Armor/Plate Carrier.. If you depend only on the mask of the helmet, any flinch or move in the wrong time will send the sharplne of a CF to the neck. Just like the armpits, any cut can cause dangerous bleeding. I know it can be uncomfortable.. but Neck guards had saved the lives that plate carriers without them could not.
Glad yall safe. I thought higher of DD. Time to shed a few of mine lol. I’d like to see a ddmv7 pro burn since they have a heavy profile to see if that changes anything
Funny to watch people make decisions based on one or two extreme tests. Most of the time it won't ever be even possible under normal use or even in the combat zone.
@@GoldenWebb I sure love your videos, and I do believe you proved that Govt profile is far from being the ideal shape. I don't mind Govt profile barrel tho, and very often I don't have much of a choice. A SAW gunner's loadout is 600rds, I'm not too worried if an AR will blow up after that many rounds all in full auto.
@@GoldenWebb My first AR had a BCM 14.5 ELW CHF upper. Back then I didn't know much, but I wanted something tough and lightweight. Now looking back, I guess I did choose one of the correct answers. It's the same concept as the Geissele barrel, just even lighter. It served me well for years until someone bought it from me.
I've seen an Anderson and PSA GO in the 800s and only blew the gas tubes...DD is nice but most of the price is paying for the name... sorry I'll just build my on from scratch.
We still need to test an Anderson and a PSA. I know some are saying that there is a video of an Anderson going 1K. I’m not saying that video isn’t valid, but I am saying that I won’t believe it until we do it ourselves on this channel
If any manufacturer has a weapon you would like seen reviewed or a tested in a meltdown, tag them in the comments or contact us!
I have a few I’d like to see:
1. HK MR556
2. Sig spear LT
3. Any high end spikes tactical rifle
Thanks!
Noveske
Blackout defense
Hopefully i'm not late but the PSA JAKL would be really interesting to do.
Hope I'm never in a sitch where I need to shoot 600 rounds of full auto in 5 minutes out of my DD. Glad you are both okay.
Hahaha thank you brother!
@GoldenWebb helmet brand ?
bless you brother 🙏
@bobmustang5481 team Wendy! Bless you brother
@@GoldenWebb thank you
Yep, I think these “tests” are fun but serve no real purpose besides appendage measuring for brand fan boys and wasting ammo.
Even having seen it it is actually hard to believe that it is giving out after only 600ish rounds. Great work im about to go down the rabbit hole with your channel to see how others hold up, specifically looking for a bcm comparison.
We haven’t done a BCM yet, we are trying though. If you want to be impressed watch the Geissele. If you want to watch a show, watch the M16A4
@@GoldenWebbordered a geissele Black Friday sale your video help solidify my decision 😆.
You guys sold me on the geiselle lol. I guess they are just built different
@@GoldenWebbThanks for the plug, going to watch Geissele now
DD is cheeks now
I would love to see the mk18, thank you for the content it’s what we need as the people who are willing to spend the money!
We will see brother! Thank you my friend
The short 10” mk18 wont have much a difference
Before everyone shits on DD, was this a Govt profile or a SOCOM profile? If the barrel was Govt, then this is a known issue with full auto fire. Govt profile barrels fail around 400-500 rounds when firing full auto with carbine gas. This is what drove the upgrade from the M4 to the M4A1. Original M4 was made for support troops and had NO full auto, only 3 round burst with Govt profile barrel. Special Forces liked the compact size, but not the burst fire, so they took M4 uppers and combined them with M16A1 lowers they had with full auto FCG. During their exercises, they had barrel failures. This led to the development of the SOCOM barrel to handle the full auto fire. If this was a Govt profile barrel, then DD EXCEEDED the typical lifespan of the Govt barrel on full auto.
It’s the 14.5 P&W government profile. Were just running factory guns until they stop
He literally said it was govt in the first sentence
The EPA, local PD and DEA will cut costs to sacrifice durability or reliability. US Navy Seals will NOT.
Found the DD shill
it's middy gas not carbine
The sag of the barrel during the last full mag. 😳😳 the pressure from the blow out changing the direction of the casing flying
It did!
Glad y’all guys are safe your doing important work for all of us 💪
I sure do appreciate the kind words brother! We’ve got plenty more coming in!
Another one in the books, great work boys. Glad everyone is safe, God bless you guys. 💪🇺🇸
Thank you brother! God Bless you my friend!!
I believe part of the reason the barrels are dropping is how the muzzle device is designed to blow gas upwards to reduce muzzle rise. As the barrel heats up that pressure from the muzzle device jetting gas upwards is what pushes the barrel down.
that's a great point. I think the government profile also is a major factor, combined with what you said.
Exactly
That's just a flash suppressor. The barrel is drooping because where it gets the hottest is the thinnest in this barrel profile is melting, and getting pulled down by the heavy part at the end...
@@joes6313 it also vent gasses through the slots to mitigate muzzle rise.
@@tajituck888 That's a 360 degree flash suppressor. It's blowing gas out equally in all directions...
The reaction time from you after that incident was perfect. Good lookin out for yourself and the man working alongside you. Good to see it.
We try our best to be as safe as possible with still playing with fire! And Kyle has balls of steel! 🤣🤣🤣
I want to see how a cheap old PSA does in a test like this. I have seen others which held up great... Except for a melted front plastic handguard.
They do surprisingly well if they’re assembled properly. I ran 300 55gr through one of their cheap-o 11.5 uppers on my pre-86 SP1 conversion lower with no hiccups.
Would I trust it with my life as an everyday duty upper? No. But I was pretty surprised it ran without issues.
Definitely a Freedom Carbine those under $200!
Please try a Colt SOCOM HEAVY barrel next! I’m curious lol
You can see the barrel sagging right before the blowout. Damn. I remember being a 249 saw gunner in the infantry when I would shoot 100 and 200 round nutsacks and the barrel just glowing
You sure can man. Haha it’s a scary feeling!
I like the character development of the face shield after the last one! lol
Hahahahhaa I know someone would catch on!
Dude, you have the best backdrop for your range. That mountain burm makes me jealous...
Haha I appreciate it brother! Nothing could go through it
What these tests conclude is that the thicker barrel designs will do well in this type of test.
Correct
Thank the Lord you didn’t get hurt doing that!! Those taper barrels just hold up, I’ve never liked them. Stay safe!!!
Id love to see an S&W M&P Sport II tested on here. Good work guys
Over 800 rounds on iraqveteran8888
Hi, I'm new to your channel. Would you consider doing a "Year in Review" video where you basically compiled all your result for the meltdowns?
Glad everyone is safe.
Me as well brother
So here is my takeaway... My DD is far more accurate than my Spear LT, Far more. My Spear LT will last better under crazy sustained fire than my DD, far more. This is justification for another gun safe for my specific rifle needs!!!..... Keep up the great work!
note to self, never fire a fully auto rifle for 3 minutes straight without a heavy barrel. lol
Hahaha you got it!
Wonder how a DD Defense Socom Barrel would do?
The gas block will always blow before your barrels even goes out of spec unless the barrel is repeatedly stressed like this, at least on fn/colt, so either they have a very good gas block or barrels that aren’t as great. You could tell it was getting very over gassed though and this is one of only a couple meltdowns I’ve seen where the gas tube isn’t what failed
@shadoraeveon9312
Good to know I don't shoot my rifles like this but good to know how things fail when pushed hard
@@599Dan If anyone ever has to fire their rifle in a manner similar to this they’re likely not gonna last as long as the gun lol but the socom barrel profile was intended to stop bending when “dropped” but the army had always realized this was unnecessary since before they even issued the profile. The issue was the barrels not being replaced after likely hundreds of extreme cooling cycles which were warping barrels. The gas tube is designed so it will fail far before the barrel. That being said it’s not like you can’t make them out of some crazy material that can take the heat. I’ve never been a dd fanboy but man I’m disappointed with this guy’s result. The angle of ejection changed almost immediately, indicating it was stretching to become overgassed, I really always thought dd barrels were high quality despite the hype but now I’m not so sure. I’d personally get an FN cold hammer forged over Daniel Defense after seeing this video
@@shadoraeveon9312dude this is a ridiculous test. Knock it off. This is such a stupid ass thing to take seriously. You don’t know a single person who will ever do this in a real world scenario. None of y’all can even own machine guns lmao. This is completely irrelevant. Tbh, I prefer bcm over dd as my personal experience is bcm has been consistently better. I own both and a knights 11.5 and a radian 14.5. I would never do this to ANY of my guns..it’s just so stupid. It’s not representative of anything other than “don’t mag dump that gun for 10 straight minutes or something bad might happen.” There is a reason machine guns have specialized barrels….
You can find a video of the colt socom being melted down on here in a gov test. My guess would be a DD socom would last a bit longer than the Colt being that it’s CHF, but it’s anyone guess till we see it.
Not saying that we should never buy premium rifles. But it's funny how lots of people insist on companies like Daniel Defense because it's "more reliable, yet this malfunctioned at 200 rounds less than a S&W M&P Sport II and had a more catastrophic failure. Just shows me how the main factor in getting a fighting rifle is more about just getting a good rifle rather than an expensive one.
That is true brother!
Great work guys. Thanks for what you do for all for us. May the good Lord keep you safe.
I sure do appreciate the kind words brother!
Thanks for doing these, brother.
Thank you for viewing my friend! I appreciate the kind words
man I would love to see how a LMT 12" piston upper would do in a meltdown! keep it up guys!
We’ve got donation open for LMTs. Optics planet doesn’t carry them so it will take donations to melt that down brother
put up a round count board ,from best to worst
My DDM7 Pro has never let me down. Then again, I’m not try to melt the barrel with a bazillion rounds either. I feel confident that in any self defense situation, my AR will function as it should.
Reliability isn’t the point of these meltdowns. The point of them is mainly entertainment but also its interesting to see when some manufacturers do a lot better then others and why
Boujie Daniel owners punching the air right now 😂
I sure as Hell would be!😂
I’m glad I bought the Geissele Super Duty 14.5 instead !
I believe that one lasted like 900 in your Geissele video. Great rifle ! Love it
It sure did brother. 901 to be exact
I was originally going with Geissele SMR but the QC was shit at the time to the point that they had to make a whole promo on website just to sell blemishes with machining fuck ups and the rails were paper thin and bending like paper, I went with MR556 instead ending up also getting a DD Socom limited edition with heavy barrel
@@VIPK9why anyone on earth still makes the abomination called Government profile, is beyond me. Hell…it even has the name Government in it 👎🤦♂️
Would love to see a Q Sugar Weasel 16" 5.56 meltdown. Love the videos and appreciate you guys. God bless
I appreciate you brother! We will get in contact with them and see if we can get it!
@@GoldenWebb Sick! That would be incredible. Much love guys
The barrel droop was insane
It sure was brother
5:45 video starts
Yep
For anyone wondering about it being a cold hammer forge barrel, once it heats up like that it’s means absolutely nothing.
That’s true!
Unless it's a 249 SAW. Those have double chrome lined barrels and can definitely do 600rds in one sitting.
@@mossydog34you’re supposed to swap barrels on dedicated MGs like the saw. You wouldn’t run a cyclic 600 between barrel changes. Also the heat shield can come off the saw so that the heat isn’t trapped in like a Ris iii.
@jax2045 The advantage of the saw is the open bolt. The AR15 has a close bolt that traps heat. But the FH barrels have double the chrome lining compared to other AR15 barrels.
Thanks!
I sure do appreciate that my friend. It means more then you will ever know
Would like to see how the v7 pro, with the strength to weight profile, would hold up. Not sure why DD still uses government profile barrels; especially on the ris series. I know they offer a SOCOM profile through Brownells, but it would be nice to have more factory barrel options. Palmetto offers a 20 inch fsp upper with an H-bar profile, and that would be another interesting test.
We are doing a BCA 20 inch HBAR soon. Stay tuned for it!
I think the v7 pro would do very well in this test. The barrel is real Thicc! I was suprised by how thick the barrel was when I got mine.
Would love to see the PSA Sabre with the FN cold hammer forged barrel meltdown and see how that holds up
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Thank ye brother!
I can’t believe DD still uses those barrels.
Me either brother.
That thing was straight up overgassed to hell right from the beginning. What buffer is being used in that MG lower?
It was. And H2 buffer like the rest of them
SOLGW & ADM would be cool.
We’re working on both of them brother!
Love ADM, their ambi lowers are phenomenal
You could probably search a BA or Aero meltdown for accurate insights on SOLGW performance.
Cool! As a word of caution, after Scott DeShields' accident (Kentucky Ballistics), I wonder if some neck kevlar might be in order (?). Thanks for the video!
We’re looking into other means for protection. Still trying to think it though
Could you try to do a strength to weight profile barrel from DD? They come in the v7 pro.
I don't think it would fail in the same way this barrel did.
Thanks for the vid!
I’d say it probably would, but i won’t be testing anymore Daniels anytime soon. Just to dangerous at this point.
It wouldn't. The only reason these droop is the profile. Heavier in the front vs the opposite with the s2w. Simple physics.
But you do you lol.
Watched a video on UA-cam of a Anderson do 1000 round melt down test and it only had a light primer strike. I had high hopes for the DD.
I haven’t got to test one of them yet
Do you use the same ammo for your melt downs?
Would love to see you guys test a Q Sugar Weasel!
Great video! That was pretty disappointing of DD. I was expecting upwards of 800-900 rounds minimum before any failures. Glad u guys are safe. Thanks for the video mate.
We all are disappointed from what I can tell. It’s just not looking good
@@GoldenWebb with that many round count, the M&P 15 would be much more cost-effective. Not knocking the M&P it's a great entry rifle, but for the price of the DD, you can swap in a better upper and still have money left over for a spare barrel.
@@j8nkies20that’s the truth brother
@@GoldenWebb Well no, this test is ultimately extremely unrealistic. You're pushing an AR to its absolute limits doing something the system was never designed to do. The AR15 is NOT a light support weapon. It's not a belt fed machine gun.
Also, the problem you've identified isn't inherently a Daniel Defense issue. It's an issue with the absurd government profile which flies in the face of all known physics and metallurgy. If you get an imbalanced piece of metal red hot, it's going to bend in the direction of the largest unsupported mass and eventually if you keep getting it hotter and hotter that heavier end will just break off. Whether it's a barrel or not that is what will happen.
You should try out a Criterion CORE or a Ballistic Advantage Hanson or a BCM ELW or something that uses a continuous taper. Obviously they'll still fail but they won't fail like this.
What you've discovered here is what SOCOM discovered in the early 2000s which resulted in the SOCOM profile barrel. That was a silly answer to the problem because dudes were mag dumping on full auto like crazy in Vietnam and their barrels weren't bursting because they were using the barrel the rifle was originally designed with which is a pencil profile where the mass remains consistent throughout the length of the material. It actually might get thinner towards the muzzle but not significantly. The point is...they hung a whole bunch of weight at the end so now it bends and bursts when it gets red hot.
This isn't in anyway an issue of poor quality from Daniel Defense. It's literally physics.
Out of curiosity, when was the last time you needed to fire 600 rounds continuously? It’s not disappointing, AR-15’s are notorious for having barrels or gas tubes rupture. They’re not meant to shoot like machine guns, short bursts are fine but anything substantial will cause issues.
It is because of videos like theses I just subscribe to this channel. Keep ‘‘em up
I appreciate it brother!
I have body armor to keep me safe, oh my assistant? Well i guess im his shield
Hahahahah pretty much
Just discovered the channel. Y’all make some really cool content. Good luck at the Gundies. Much love from Texas, God bless!
Thank you brother! I sure do appreciate it! Welcome to the channel
Cannot believe DD’s CHF Barrels aren’t even lasting 1k rounds. Also I’d expect the gas tube to give out before that barrel. Maybe DD isn’t the premium company it used to be anymore.
Brain damage
I've been saying for years, gov't profile barrels are absolutely stupid and make zero sense. I don't buy factory rifles with this profile for this exact reason, I tend to build my own with better barrel profiles like Criterion or Centurion. That said, glad no one got hurt.
I agree . I've been saying for 10 plus years Gov Profile barrels are garbage . Have 0 clue why companies still make them.
Centurion MIDWEIGHT HF , Criterion Core , BA Hanson , and Noveske HF Barrel profiles are my favorite.
BA Hanson 0.750 Profile barrel is hard to beat for price and Performance.
Gov Profile is like 0.625 diamter under the RAIL, whereas BA Hanson is 0.715 and Centurion Midweight HF is 0.740.
An actual SOCOM Profile is 0.850 diameter under the Rail and Lightweight out front due to the M203 Cuts .
Criterion Core is a great barrel. Still haven't tried out a Centurion but everything I've seen and read about them suggests they're great shooters. I'll try one on my next setup.
while I agree, colt M4's tend to go to 800-1200 rounds before they break
@@Polarbear-nq9nd In full Auto Colt Socom goes about 960 rounds before it bursts. As for longevity I have 2 Colt M4A1s with 10k+ and Colt MK18 MOD 0 with 9k rounds
Didn’t a PSA carbine outlast this DD rifle in another meltdown video? 😮
Looks like DD is a lot of hype. Watched a video recently of Anderson Manufacturing AR doing 1000 rounds full auto and it was still able to hold decent groupings after.
Can you send me a link to that? People keep saying they seen it and I just can’t believe it
still blows my mind that trybe upper took 800 rounds and smiled
Hahahaha yea no joke
Thanks for the video....think you will ever try the LWRC M6-IC A5? Would live to see how it holds up?
We’re trying brother. LWRC said they’d be sending us one about 3 months ago. With Black Friday, Christmas and shot show all stacked within 3 months it’s been rough on the industry. Talked with them last week and they are still sending it. No ETA as of now though
Why in the heck do manufacturers still think Govt. Profile barrels are still good enough when there are some many better choices available?
No clue my man!
POF P416 for the win. That thing never quit.
I don’t know why anyone is shitting on the government profile failing after 600 ish rounds. That’s better than can be expected for the profile, in my opinion/“experience”.
Ah they aren’t doing as well as the competition
@@GoldenWebb understandable. I’m basing my opinion off old reporting of military testing where they took a colt rifle and did pretty much the exact same thing you did and it failed at a slightly lesser round count. Either way, seems to indicate a relative expectation of what will occur with such abuse.
You could have tested the V7 SLW upper. It has a tapered tinner profile. I suspect the added front weight of the goverment profile was the reason for failure.
After testing the knights I believe we can say anything government profile or LW profile does horrible in these meltdowns
The barrels keep going because dd keeps using government profile barrels and they blow in front of the gas block when they get hot. That's why the m4a1 uses socom profile barrel. Socom is heavier in front of thr gas block instead of using a pencil proflie till the gas block
That’s correct, but at the same time, we’ve have a government profile aero go to 661 and it wasn’t CHF
Seeing the whole barrel drop down is insane
It sure is brother
Been saying it for years, DD is overpriced, although I admit very aesthetically pleasing
In all honesty No one's going to shoot their gun like this in the real world.
I would like to see them do this test on an LWRC a lot of people claim Daniel defense to be a better rifle even though they both make their barrels in house I personally think the old WRC is a little higher quality and it’s definitely a more affordable rifle. I think Daniel defense makes a good quality rifle. Just don’t think that they’re worth what they’re asking for not when you can buy a BCM or an LRC for quite a bit less.
@@Canes-kh5bq LWRC is an HBAR, DD only makes theirs in M4/Government profiles
@@boygonewhoopdataZZnot true, they have what they call strength to weight profile.
It's a lot like the hbar profile.
It's just another AR.
I want to see you guys do an Hk Mr556, just saw the Sig Spearlt and that was epic. Curious how the titan of piston guns would compare. Granted, the spear isnt an ar15, its more of an ar18, but still.
HK designed the MR556 to not run full auto. Several things have to be done to it for it to run in full auto. It’s easier to just melt a true HK 416 but I don’t have 5K to waste on an upper.
You keep saying you are being as safe as possible. However your helper not wearing eye protection contradicts that statement. Being he kept reaching around your or just that fast you guys are melting down a rifle that shouldn’t be over looked.
I agree, but Kyle does his own thing. We’ve begged him to. He keeps saying if it’s my time it’s my time.
Hmm. A barrel failure is directly related to contour. As an example I switched from a heavy to scout contour on my 6.8spc build. I now know that I can't get crazy with continuous fire but the rifle is much lighter. So, why not do a battle of the contours. Government vs scout vs Socom vs heavy vs bull. The later should always way outperform the thinner contours
Something still seems to be off with it
Definitely surprised on this one, didn't expect your DD to tap out like that. No matter what stay safe out there brother 🙏
I am as well! And thank you brother! I appreciate it
Hi you guys really need to do a Larue meltdown. As a Larue fan and owner of several Id be very curious and don't see many comments asking for Larue. Thank you
I’ve messaged them and haven’t heard anything back. We might get one one day!
all my DD boys suck it!!! all jokes aside I'm not surprised.
I’m pretty disappointed myself.!
Tnte sale and Ds arms. First video of yours I’ve seen. Good video.
Thank you brother! I sure do appreciate it!
Now do a Colt M4. Which is THE standard for US combat troops. VERY rare to see a catastrophic failure while being used even in the WORST combat conditions. I think you'll find that the DD is just fine. Although not the super duty but definitely not bottom of the barrel.
I'd also be curious to see what PSA, BCA, DB, Del-tons, and omni'd do too compared to the Gucci uppers
THE M4 RISIII is the exact same profile unless we talking about M4-Socom
@@boygonewhoopdataZZyeah I think he’s referring to the SOCOM profile. I’m curious as well!
We have some interesting ones coming but as of now we don’t have a colt yet, but we have some interesting ones.
You’d think all barrels are about the same this day and age i guess not 😂love how you can’t thank god enough amen brother!!🙏🏽
Hahaha this is dangerous stuff we are doing and he’s brought us through 3 bad ones now!
Uhhh only someone who’s a goober would think that
I really enjoy these meltdown videos. This one perfectly demonstrates how and why the M4A1 SOCOM barrel was born. I can only imagine being any of the Spec-Ops guys who fought through nasty enough situations until their barrel popped like that. You know they were trying to get out of some deep dookie if they were laying down suppressive fire on that level.
They wouldn’t be laying down that amount of suppressive fire with m4’s. You would have 240’s, and 249’s. This isn’t realistic.
Sure, that's how things are supposed to work under normal circumstances for standard infantry troops. Still, that scenario was supposedly common enough in the Spec-Ops community to spur the development and adoption of the M4A1 SOCOM and its heavy profile barrel. At least, that's how it was explained in videos about the subject. @@jacksonconnelly1158
@@JR15A2 The SOCOM profile barrel was the wrong answer to the question at hand. However, the barrel bursting issue was apparently occurring in training not so much in real combat. It was some drill they were doing to break contact using the M4A1 as a makeshift support weapon.
Now, why would I say the SOCOM barrel was the wrong answer? Well, back in Viet-fuckin-nam when every M16 had full auto and combat was often very short range dudes were mag dumping on full auto left and right and they did not experience the bursting barrel issue. They were using the pencil profile barrel which makes much more sense on a light and handy fighting rifle or carbine. Even with the older pencil barrels the accuracy deviation isn't all that severe but with modern stress relieved pencil profile barrels you will no longer have any POI shift. Instead your group will simply open up a bit but in a very predictable manner. This has been tested on youtube if you're interested in looking it up.
Even with a suppressor so long as you zero with the suppressor on the gun a pencil profile would most likely be fine but even if that wasn't suitable you could just do a medium profile continuous taper and then you'd DEFINITELY be fine with a suppressor and the barrel won't burst AND it won't be so heavy. I dunno if you've ever handled an M4A1 with a SOCOM profile barrel but I own one(not full auto obviously, but its an M4A1 upper with a pinned and welded Surefire muzzle device) that uses the RIS2 quad rail and that rifle is WAY heavier than it really needs to be. It's not the rail either, I handled a rifle with the same rail but a gov profile barrel and the gun really wasn't much heavier than a URGI with the Geissele mlok rail. It was a little bit but not much. I think the difference between the Geissele Mk16 and the RIS2 is like 2oz?
The lore around the SOCOM barrel also isn't true. It doesn't really retain its accuracy while its hot like is often claimed online nor is it significantly more accurate than a standard gov profile. 9hole reviews has an excellent video debunking these claims. It's a lot of weight without any legitimate gain. The reason the barrels stopped bursting is because the taper of the barrel not the amount of material.
9 hole review did not compare two comparable barrels. It was a flawed test. You need to test two compare a Colt socom barrel to a colt gov profile barrel as both are button broached and not a chf to a button broached barrel like 9 hole did. Hell yiu get accuracy differences frin an identical profile button broached and chf barrel.
From 23 years of actual military experience in the military and most of that in socom and now a contractor for socom, yes we tend to see an added benefit to the heavier barrel and accuracy on the m4 platform on service rifles.
@@chef7734I can attest as well, in the USMC our M27’s are basically rocking 16.5“ HBAR barrels
From what I've seen guns with heavy SOCOM profile barrels tend to hold up better to sustained fire, regardless of brand.
That’s true brother
Been telling people for years DD is junk glad I sold all mine in 2016.
It’s not looking good for sure
RIS 2 with actual socom profile barrel way cheaper than lighter rail with inferior barrel for extra 4-500 bucks???
I’ve never understood these meltdown scenarios. The weapons were not designed to withstand this kind of firing pace.
That is true, but it just shows how they do under the most extreme circumstances
You are making the false assumption that their intention is to mimic "real world" or test the "design." They are testing the extreme engineering and materials as a comparison to other rifles.
That is correct
Found the dd fanboy
@@AnonyMous-dc6ly nope! Not at all. Destroying something for the sake of destroying something and for clicks just doesn’t make sense to me. I don’t care who makes it.
Imagine being a mouse down range. Just random bullets flying everywhere
Stoner designed the gas tube to fail before the barrel. That's what should happen. The barrels appear to be failing due to the government profile. It's an inherently weak point. The barrel overheats, droops due to gravity, and a round breaks/bursts through the side.
The manufacturers should ditch the government profile, and use gas tubes that will actually fail before the barrel bursts. I hope they're paying attention.
Glad to see you wearing appropriate PPE. Stay safe.
I know Daniel seen it because I sent it back to them. We shall see though! Thank you brother
I can use a slightly melted and off color ris3 rail for cheap. Were you able to salvage it?
I’m curious about the LWRC barrel now. Being one of the few manufacturers that make their own CHF barrels in house I’ve always put a lot of stock into their quality. But after the DD only went 600 I am a little skittish now about the LWRC.
HBAR it'll last longer
@@boygonewhoopdataZZ I would think so too. But I guess we will see.
Being the barrel is not tapered at all and heavier profile should go longer. Spiral fluting can keep strength up also while making it lighter in weight. I have 2 DDs and one LWRC.
@@leesamuelson which do you prefer?
@@Canes-kh5bq haven't put enough rounds through the LWRC to really compare but like it so far. is heavier than my DDM4V7 milspec and much heavier than my DDM4V7 slw( which might do better in a melt down actually as barrel thickness not a drastic taper.) All of them have the Geissele SD-C triggers. was not crazy about the LWRC trigger either. actually a bit more gritty than the stock DDs which is weird as others I had felt were smooth. I bought the longer rail from LWRC and installed as I felt the original was too short for me. initially the DDs when charging felt smoother than the LWRC but that has smoothen out nicely now too. Really hard to say!! Oh I changed out the pistol grip on the LWRC too as it had too much angle for me. went with a more vertical Magpul thick grip. As they are now if SHTF I would grab any of them lol. BUT for the money I think the LWRC is a better value for the money.
Would love to see Ruger AR 556 MPR, S&W MP 15, and IWI Zion 15 tested!
I used to be a fan of Iraqveteran8888s meltdown videos. But yours are by far the best. Plus you actually make videos about guns rather than a bunch of political bull crap. Keep up the great work!
I appreciate that brother! We try to do our best and somewhat stay out of politics. Everyone knows though I’m about as 2A as you get. Repeal the NFA
The political stuff is important. Most gun owners (you!) don’t know what’s going on and what the government is doing or trying to do. You sound like you support gun control. This way of life is clearly not for you Jeff
@wilhathaway1987 quite the contrary from whatever it is that you believe. I'm the type of person liberals warn you about. You are right political stuff does have its place. But that doesn't mean that we have to listen to it. Quite frankly when I see a UA-cam channel that actually talks about guns rather than political bulshit I become a fan. So if you like watching political stuff and you encourage other gun owners to watch it then by all means go watch it.
Just curious, if the barrel was not free floated, would it fire more rounds a non-free floated barrel would not let the barrel droop
No, the gas block weights it down even worse
Dude that barrel was bowed all the way down to the bottom of the hand guard! Thats nuts. Not the quality I expected from DD…
It sure did, I wasn’t expecting it either
@@GoldenWebb what barrel have been the best ?
because truth is DD is not that good quality just overpriced because of the name... hopefully DD sees this video and up there game!!!!
Love these videos!! Keep up the great work man! 👏👏👏
I sure will brother! Thank you!
Companies don’t wanna send their guns out because they’re scared of the results 😅
Hahaha could be
Watching this after i watched a review of the Trybe defense meltdown.
Similar round count to failure but id much prefer a gas tube break
$15 part
Vs a whole barrel rupture
$100+
Exactly
Crazy as usual! That barrel was dropping/bending inside the handguard bad pretty early. Daniel just aren’t up for it.
In this case I genuinely believe it's less about the brand and more just that govt profile barrels aren't suitable for this application.
Slim in the middle, heavy up front=sag.
My guess is a BCM ELW or a 10.5 heavy barrel (to keep it from being front heavy) would last longer than any mid length govt profile no matter who makes it.
Nothing wrong with DD barrels as a brand, just the wrong profile application.
@@SPIRIT-117DD make all these barrels like this though they would have to change profiles to test your opinion
We have done 2 DD barrels so far and each have performed poorly in comparison with other uppers in their group.
@@GoldenWebb yeah I agree. The Geissele was super impressive
@@SPIRIT-117 Got it, so DD RIS rail + different and beefier barrel = Good to go
Would you guys be able to do a meltdown test on a URG I assemble with an FN heavy barrel and Inconel gas tube?
We’ve got a Geissele URGI coming soon. Haven’t done much talking with FN though
Once again, you have proven to everyone that EXPENSIVE doesn’t mean better. I’d love to see the PSA CHF barrel and upper tested. I’ll bet it will hang or do better than any of those expensive name brand firearms.
Aero button barrel went 661. I’ve talked with PSA and they aren’t interested in doing meltdowns. We do have more Aero precisions coming, BCA, LWRC, and a bunch others
@@GoldenWebb great content. Thank you for your efforts. Like I said, you just keep demonstrating that expensive isn’t always better.
@@concernedpatriot.2221it’s been like that with a decent amount of them! The Sig done great and the Geissele did as well
Iraq veteran did a PSA meltdown and I want to say it was in the 400 ballpark. CHF barrel upper and the barrel was actually still functional, gas tube just blew so in theory you could by another tube for a few bucks and keep going. That doesn't quite scream 4-5x the cost, but let's not hurt egos here
@@512productions3 you’re right. I did see that. 👍🏻
The guy in the back not wearing protection is kind of crazy to me lol. Also I’d love to see a Red Right Hand Recce LMG upper burndown.
How about something with a Ballistic Advantage Hanson profile barrel? One of the performance series preferably so it's 4150CMV and not stainless since stainless isn't meant to really take that kind of abuse. I think BA is putting out great barrels and complete uppers especially for the price
Aero barrels are Ballistic Advantage. We will look into the Hanson barrels for sure!
@@GoldenWebb Aero owns BA so technically all BA barrels are "Aero" but not all Aero barrels are BA, BA is still their own small shop even though Aero owns them. BA's uppers will have a BA barrel and Aero receiver, and their Logic handguard is basically an updated Aero Atlas handguard. Being a smaller shop the QC on their barrels can be a little tighter. I bought one of their uppers with a Hanson on sale years ago expecting it to be a spare mess around upper and it ended up being my favorite upper, it shot better than two BCMs I have and felt noticeably nicer than a PSA that was similar in price and I kind of fell in love with it, it now has 8k rounds without so much as a hiccup and I ended up buying another one last month as a Christmas present to myself in another length and I love that one too. I did not expect to love their stuff as much as I did, so I bought the second one as a serious defensive one.
Is this your lower receiver used in all the videos? Or are these complete manufacturer specific rifle builds? Are the lowers still usable after these tests?
Try a POF upper I’m pretty sure PWS uses geissle barrels
Very interested to see what a pws would do. They enjoy beating their designs to prove the design🤷♂️
They are supposed to be sending us some!
@@GoldenWebb YUUUUUUSSSSSSSSSSS.
Bro, that armor makes you look like a juggernaut. Realistic juggernaut
Hahahaha them level IV plates is pretty much a juggernaut suit!
@@GoldenWebb Now, serious talking... I would suggest adding some DIY protection for the armpits. But most importantly, add a NECK GUARD to the Body Armor/Plate Carrier..
If you depend only on the mask of the helmet, any flinch or move in the wrong time will send the sharplne of a CF to the neck.
Just like the armpits, any cut can cause dangerous bleeding.
I know it can be uncomfortable.. but Neck guards had saved the lives that plate carriers without them could not.
Glad yall safe. I thought higher of DD. Time to shed a few of mine lol. I’d like to see a ddmv7 pro burn since they have a heavy profile to see if that changes anything
Funny to watch people make decisions based on one or two extreme tests. Most of the time it won't ever be even possible under normal use or even in the combat zone.
@@JohnZ556it won’t, but at the same time, can you explain why a Geissele went 901 and didn’t blow up vs dd that went 601 and blew up in our hands
@@GoldenWebb I sure love your videos, and I do believe you proved that Govt profile is far from being the ideal shape. I don't mind Govt profile barrel tho, and very often I don't have much of a choice. A SAW gunner's loadout is 600rds, I'm not too worried if an AR will blow up after that many rounds all in full auto.
@@GoldenWebb My first AR had a BCM 14.5 ELW CHF upper. Back then I didn't know much, but I wanted something tough and lightweight. Now looking back, I guess I did choose one of the correct answers. It's the same concept as the Geissele barrel, just even lighter. It served me well for years until someone bought it from me.
thanks...cool video.
Thank you brother!
I've seen an Anderson and PSA GO in the 800s and only blew the gas tubes...DD is nice but most of the price is paying for the name... sorry I'll just build my on from scratch.
We still need to test an Anderson and a PSA. I know some are saying that there is a video of an Anderson going 1K. I’m not saying that video isn’t valid, but I am saying that I won’t believe it until we do it ourselves on this channel