I genuinely did this once. Was asked about the history of Doppelbock beers on my cicerone exam. The "correct" answer was "created by monks to drink during lent". I wrote in "Created by friars to drink during lent. It was created by Paulaner, which was founded under the order of minims. The order of minimum produced friars, not monks. As the brewers were working class people taking a religious vow of poverty, not clergy." Score came back as 100%.
Just a note for people who don't have a ton of experience in the field (hunting) with shotguns. If you ever get your barrel clogged up with mud, ice or other debris, the front end will burst when you fire it. I have destroyed a shotgun in this manner because I didn't have anyone to tell me better. If you ever drop a shotgun stop and check to make sure the bore is clear before you do anything else. Hope this helps!
@@guyfawkesuThe1 Out of context, in the wrong thread, probably completely unprompted and dead wrong but oh so confident. There are always a few like you in every video, extra entertainment. 🤣
I think PCCs and PDWs should be explored. From the low end Hi-point carbines and Kel-Tec S2Ks. Too the upper echelon Sig MPX and H&K MP5 platforms. I would like to see how these perform in the ice tests.
Agreed. Just for shits and grins, throw in the Meta Tactical Apex conversion. It's just a pistol on the inside, but with the protection around it, who knows. It might work.
I guess it's just an area thing but in the South it's pretty normal to piss behind your truck. Not on asphalt usually, or in someone's driveway, but them pearl clutching about it after making fun of commie states was funny.
@@rockerknight25 I mean yeah on your own property or out in the country, who cares but as soon as you're on my property and I don't know you.. it's a problem lol
@@rockerknight25 funny you think pissing on other people's property like you own it, isn't an commie thing, sorry bozo, but in capitalist society, we own things.
Out of the respect for the commitment and the scale of the test itself, I did one thing I've never done before, liked the video right at the beginning before watching most of it.
I have not a 2nd thought about GT and other fine tubers, his vids are liked before I get anywhere near the play button. Quality is always assured. Oh, and i always seek to feed the algorithm gods with an offering of word salad in the comments. Thanks for the infotainment good sirs.
I bought my KUSA Komrad when they first dropped for $750. Before i took it out, i polished the internals and it ate anything over 1200ft/sec. Eventually added a CSS reliability kit and it consistently eats anything except the lightest Winchester White Box light loads. It's been a fantastic gun. Glad to see it have a good showing.
Is no one gonna talk about how many times he had to tell him to put it up though?? Like he’s crazy to even had to have been told more than once cause Charlie looked like he really was finna put the hurt on him😅
@@borrago because “Garand Thumb” is the main character. But I know who he is lol That’s like saying why don’t you say “Dwayne Johnson” instead of The Rock. Also I just wanted to put Garand Thumb instead of Mike 🤭
Results by shotgun: *SPAS 12* Test 1: Ran fine Test 2: Ran alright Test 3: Hammer half dropped. Gun become a time bomb of when the thing's gonna go off. *DISQUALIFIED* *Vang Comp 870* Test 1: Choked a little on the shitty turkish slugs, ran fine after ammo change Test 2: Stiff safety, pump action was tough to cycle, frozen mag tube *DISQUALIFIED* *Mossberg 590A1* Test 1: Ran fine "I think this one will win because of the safety" - GT Test 2: Safety became stuck and the action became extremely stiff, *DISQUALIFIED* *Beretta A300* Test 1: Ran fine Test 2: Ice kept stopping the bolt from fully seating therfore the out of battery safety kept the gun from firing *DISQUALIFIED* *Beretta 1301* Test 1: Ran fine Test 2: Ran fine Test 3: Failure to eject followed by a failure to feed (lifter and mag tube frozen) *DISQUALIFIED* *Genesis Gen 12* Test 1: Ran fine Test 2: Ran fine Test 3: Safety took a little mechanical persuasion and the gun fail to eject the first 2 rounds, ejected the third. Further shells were added in excitement, where it failed to eject twice then loaded the third *Remington Double Barrel* Test 1: Ran fine Test 2: Safety took some mechanical persuasion, but ran fine Test 3: Safety needed more persuation, and the left barrel refused to fire, but the right barrel worked just fine. *Benelli M4* Test 1: Choked a little on the bad ammo, ran fine on the good ammo Test 2: Charlie forgot to load the shell into the chamber therefore they added a shell and repoured the water Test 2.1: Safety needed some persuasion and the bolt wouldn't seat due to ice. Gun ran fine once the ice broke *DISQUALIFIED* (I have some problems with this ruling) *Taran Tactical M4* Test 1: Ran Fine Test 2: Safety took work, Out of battery safety due to unseated bolt *DISQUALIFIED* *Turknelli* Test 1: Choked on bad ammo, ran on good ammo Test 2: Ran fine, although the bolt started to get sluggish and a wierd time on the last shell Test 3: Safety needed work, Frozen trigger *DISQUALIFIED* *KUSA Saiga* Test 1: Ran fine Test 2: Ran fine (had to smack the safety twice though) Test 3: Safety took a couple smacks, first round had a failure to eject/cycle, second round refused to fire at all, ran fine afterwords *Taran Tactical Benelli M2* Test 1: Ran fine Test 2: Ran fine Test 3: Safety took mechanical persuasion, Frozen trigger and bolt. *DISQUALIFIED* *OVERALL WINNER:* KUSA Saiga 12 *RUNNER UP:* Genisis Gen 12
Regardless of the results, the sound of you guys smashing those shotguns on the table created some award-winning sound effects. I feel like I've heard those exact sound effects with people breaking stone structures in rust.
the 3-400 year old solution to this problem is the Cows knee an oil skin flap that covers the action , it was how you kept the powder , flint and frizen clear and dry. could be something as expedient as the leg of a pair of pants cut off oiled down and slid over the action. when the Cree would hunt in the deep winter they kept their rifles and shotguns in cloth sleeves it takes less time to yank a sleeve off than mess with a frozen safety , hammer or action.
I ain't saying you ain't right. But I carried a flintlock in a snowstorm using all the tricks in the book and got a hella delay when I cleared it that night. The next day in the rain storm I clacked it twice trying to get it to go.... (then my ramrod swelled and got stuck in the thimbles requiring significant effort to remedy). I'm certainly a flintlock newbie. But I do have 80-90 miles in the mountains with one. 4 whitetails, 1 mulie, and popped 2 javelinas last weekend. I love it.
@@danielschmidt123 What are you using for prime? 4fg isn't he best choice for hunting. Prime with the same powder as you are shooting helps a lot. Don't be stingy, dump and put new priming powder morning and lunch. There's not much you can do if the flint and frizzen gets wet other than dry it off.
I have the KUSA Komrad and an older Mossberg 500. After doing a little bit of work on the internals of the Komrad, just to make it run low brass reliably, I love that mag fed shotgun. So glad to see it reign supreme in the frozen world of GT.
Charlie’s great and all, but when you’ve got to go you’ve got to go. A little pee isn’t going to hurt his driveway, and there didn’t seem to be any kiddos around that could have seen the one-eyed trouser snake spitting into the wind.
@@dallasallad335 I don’t necessarily disagree with you, and I don’t suddenly dislike Charlie for his response; I just think that there’s some things worth fighting for and some things worth letting go. I wouldn’t curse at someone peeing on my property; heck, I’ve peed outside on my property before back when my dog was alive and I’ll take her out to potty when I got home for work in the morning. Some times I’d need to go and I’d pee while she was doing her business.
The backfire into the chamber on the Turkish shotgun was caused from not all of the powder being expelled because of ice in the chamber, and when fired on the second shell the powder that was embedded in the ice from running the first shell through it ignited making the shotgun look like it was going 88 MPH like the DMC Delorian time machine did in the Back to The Future movies.
@@TheRoadhammer379 Think of it another way, you on all the other weapons, if the trigger froze the weapon was useless. On the coach gun, BOTH triggers have to freeze to make it completely useless.
Not a whole lot of pieces that can go wrong. Simplicity is often hard to break. With the coach, as long as the trigger pulls and the hammer drops, you get a bang. The rest of the guns had to contend with tube loading or magazines, actions that could jam, and shells that may not eject.
the infamous benelli 'click' happens due to the bolt design allowing water the get inside the valley of the firing pin and rotating cam pin for the bolt head in the m2-m4 variations as well as the super black eagle line and Turkish copies except for very few like retay. gas driven shotguns like the 1301, a300 etc. are more reliable in the cold, wet or muddy conditions
The dreaded benelli click can be fixed with a spring kit but it pisses me off that my $1400 m2 I had to add a $35 spring kit and I am just a turkey hunter I picked up a Retay couple years ago and they fixed that damn issue
You can induce this malfunction on just about any rotating bolt shotgun by bumping the charging handle, taking the bolt slightly out of battery. I’ve done it on my A400 Extreme a couple times hunting and have seen it with browning gas and inertia guns as well.
probably quite well especially with a large safety lever, the push button ones maybe not without hammering and if the firing pin freezes, internal mags would probably work better than box magazines and then the only other issue is firing pins freezing
Big takeaway: Bayonets are a must. Great video as always guys! Ya know, combat aside, as a hunter, I find this quite interesting. I have had guns freeze up while hiking in. Good info.
@@D.v1dL33 Never forget the guy who was an active traitor to his country, and was taking pictures of Ukrainian defences to send to the Russians? Why exactly would he be relevant here?
@@JohnZ556 I shoot a side by side mainly because I shoot them for upland and I like the option for different chokes but I’m probably one of the few to do that
@@SchwarzeskabelGWP Cool, indeed I don't see many side-by-side these days. I tried an 828 U Upland Performance Shop. It is NICE and featherweight(6.4lb 24"bbl) if you gotta walk a lot.
These videos have taught me the importance of proper firearm maintenance and storage. If you're going to be in weather conditions like this wrap a trash bag around your gun at a minimum, but if you're out in this kind of weather you probably need to seek shelter so you don't die.
If you can’t build a fire and stay awake to keep it fueled in the bare elements, then definitely seek shelter. You can make one, but realize knots are hard with gloves or numb fingers. Snow is more insulated than anything below 25 Fahrenheit, but it is still 32 or colder, which is lethal. Good equipment isn’t always cheap. Your home is better than trying to hoof it in a shtf scenario unless you are in direct threat.
Charlie gives this channel something other channels do not have, glad he is back. I also love how thrashing the shotgun on a table with shotguns actually sounds like a shotgun aswell :D Great video!
Absolutely love the real world results from this kind of testing. I too thought the pump actions would be the most reliable. I’d be really interested to see how Remingtons 1100 and V3 would perform in these tests. I’d been debating a Komrad 12ga vs a gen12, both performed well still hard to decide.
I would've figured something like the mossy 940 which is a direct competitor to the a300 or the 1100 or 11-87 due to greater availability than something like the spas 12 would've made sense to include
I love how Garand went shooting with Admin in Phoenix and was all "Oh God why is it so hot?!?", and now he's in 5 degree ice trying to get shotguns to fire while Charlie makes snowballs in the background. And I'm watching this in Scottsdale with our freezing 60 degree weather.
I find weather funny, people claim Arizona is too hot and Idaho is too cold, where I live the winters are nearly as cold as Idaho and the summer are nearly as hot as Arizona. I remeber when we set a record low (-31 and a wind chill of -47) and a record string of days above 100 (101 days), i was living in a house without heat or A/C. Both records in the same year.
I knew the Komrade would do well if it was a well running Komrade to begin with as I have seen some really unreliable Komrades. The surprise is the AR frozen. It would be like a AK doing well in a mud test which would also be a total surprise.
I had high hopes for the M2 but sadly it didn't do the thing. I got a SBE II from my dad and it's my only semi auto shotgun, in almost pristine condition. I love it and though I haven't been bird hunting in years it's a wonderful shotgun. My Nova, also gifted to me by my dad, was the mud gun for when we knew we were jump shooting ducks and the likelihood of tripping and dunking a gun was high. The SBE got dunked a couple times and it never even hesitated. Mud flew and it fired the three shots it had perfectly, dropping ducks in the process. I also inherited a late 80's 870 from my grandad and it hasn't seen a box of shells. It's beautiful. Shotguns are what I got started shooting and this video reminded me of memory lane, and all the things I won't do to my guns. Thanks Mike, it was a great video.
As a hunter the biggest surprise was the ks-12 vs the beneli M2, would've loved to see a Super Black Eagle and an Auto 5. The double barrel having only one barrel working is actually a pretty common reason backcountry hunters choose them
@@GunSperg I am disappointed too, and I mean the real auto 5. Not the wood stocked Benelli. The Auto 5 is arguably the best semi auto shotgun ever made.
If you get a good sbe, you can put it through hell and it will still fire. I’ve had mine get splashed in 0 degree weather, insta freeze and still fire all three rounds. Hell of a gun.
I have a Beretta Xtrema2 shotgun. I live in Atlantic Canada. I have been duck hunting in late Dec in -14 C weather. I've had my gun exposed to extended periods of snow and water and the Beretta has always delivered. Awesome video enjoyed watching those guns perform at extremes.
Funny thing, though, is the “ping” sound that the OG Halo shotgun is famous for is due to the SPAS-12’s bolt cycling in semi-auto (all semi autos will have that sound effect to some degree, but the SPAS-12’s bolt being so chunky makes it very audible), which wouldn’t be there for the Halo shotgun since it’s pump. That being said, the sound is absolutely iconic.
I've always called it the benelli click. As an upland hunter and waterfowler it happens when the guns get dirty and cold or one or the other. In this case very cold. They just don't go to battery sometimes.
The lesson I learned was to stay in the warm in freezing weather . In about 1935 my father bought a Harrington Richardson single barrel 12 gauge shotgun. While hunting in Winter he had too much to drink and misplaced his shotgun. He found his shotgun the next Spring in a corn shock. No issues at all and works like it was intended to this day. I only use low brass shells today due to guns age.
@@JD-tn5lz I mean, yes, obviously one shouldn't let their gun get this bad over time. But who knows; maybe you fall through some ice in subzero weather, only to be charged by an angry something-or-another after pulling yourself out of the ice hole. Unlikely and silly? Absolutely. Could it still happen? Sure. Can something less unlikely and less silly put you in the same basic situation of 'need a gun but it's frozen solid'? Definitely.
The deal is, there are more condition parameters that need to be taken into account. Some are environmental but most aren't. Just one of many...detachable mags for shotties are nice, but then look at whatever other gear you're carrying and also how your weapon is stowed. That's one page of a really large book. Mechanical reliability. Malfunction clearance. Etc. By the way, and yes, I HAVE waded through muskeg and have broken into a few creeks with gear and weapons, and YES, the very first thing you do after you've verified you're still alive is check your weapons. @@nextcaesargaming5469
As usual the AR and AK’s rule lol Also once again we’ve all learned not to drench our tools with water when out in the winter weather. If your roughing it out in the winter you gotta watch out for condensation when having your tools outside then bringing them inside where it’s warm. Either gotta leave it out in the winter weather or every night clean it.
i think this tells us . too take care of any fire arm in incerment weather. gear can fail. loved the tests. look forward for pistal and rifle tests in sub freezing. love ya charlie. ya a snow mobile. ran a trapline. lever action tube fail from in the cabin to outside. left outside degreased wraped always worked.. and iron sights. they do not fog up. keep up the great work.
You should have a water tub for a quick submersion for the dousing, emulating a drop into a pond or something. That would also probably make it more consistent across all guns, because pouring won't be as even.
Their not submerging them as to prevent solid ice blocks in the barrel, which will absolutely and permanently kill your barrel, thats just too much of a health risk to everyone involved
Cool test. One shotgun I'm missing in this test is the Franchi inertia driven semi auto.. I got a Franchi Affinity, a really popular winter shotgun over here in Norway. Never failed me , but then again, I don't go swimming with my guns in the winter months.
The SPAS12 is so iconic...but such a POS. = is over-engineered, but not by germans. THANKS for including a Mossberg in the test: Its the 'ford explorer' to Benelli's 'Escalade'...Even among LEOs a lot have Moss 500s/590s (or REM 870s).
21:50 this is part of the magic of these videos. Explaining these wild and crazy failure mechanisms that many have never even considered. Yea it's cool to base your whole personality around it when your niche favorite gun does well, but this is good learning too. Maybe if you're out patrolling in freezing rain keep jogging the safety and action every now and again I guess.
Thanks so much for doing these frozen skits or "tests". Had the same results with pump shotguns and single shot shotguns were completely frozen solid shut while on front of the tracked 4wheeler in freezing rain and then freezing going up in elevation here in Idaho. Stupid single shot required a stint on the 4wheeler exhaust to get it warmed up so it could be open and eject the hull. As a side I've had really good result with the ruger scout rifle and US M1917 in freezing and wet weather. Other things not so much. The cold test are the best.
Makes sense about the M1917 working well, the Sirius Dog Sled Patrol uses it in Greenland still. Long range recon patrols in north Greenland for months on end.
I've duck and goose hunted in some absolutely apocalyptic winter weather with my Browning Auto 5, and I've never encountered a problem with it. On a particular goose hunt in Kansas a number of years ago, the hunt started at 36° and raining as a front was coming through, and within 3 hours the temp dropped to 16° and went from raining, to sleeting, to snowing. We were all covered in ice. I think it was the first time I ever had my beard freeze. In a party of 8, the only weapons which worked every time were mine and an old timers Auto 5s. Even the pumps didnt work well. The guys with the fancy Benellis couldn't even disengage their safeties half the time. The Browning Auto 5 is the king of shotguns.
My theory on the pump actions failing is the transfer bar on the pump adding surface area for ice to form and slow down operation compared to the tube fed semiautomatics.
Started out duck hunting with an 870 express. Id go offshore so it was pretty much a guarantee that the gun would get wet. I think you’re right, but I also found that ice on certain areas of the receiver or feed tube could get completely wedged with the whole pump assembly. Now I just smile and nod when people say pumps are more reliable than a lot of the gas and inertia options out there lol
I think it has more to do with his pumps specifically. Somehow his 590 or his 870 is always underperforming in his video scenarios where in very similar IRL situations I have seen other 500's handle flawlessly. IDK. Will fully acknowledge a frozen mag tube etc. but my mileage has varied.
About freezing water. It actually can sometimes rain in water form while being way below its normal freezing temperature. And fun part is how it will instantly freeze when it makes contact with anything. Windshield on car is one worst when it happens because in most cases your wipers and heating cant keep up with building up ice and you simply had to drive side and scrape that off manually once in while. Pretty much same story with headlights specially if those are led ones which wont produce much heat to beginwith.
I've actually been in a situation, in Illinois, where our breath was freezing on the INSIDE of the windshield. The defroster just couldn't keep up. We were scraping the frost away every little bit.
The Remington Versa max tactical would be awesome to test. I've got one with the 22" barrel and it's chambered for 3.5" shells. Tac Ord mods one out with the 18" barrel. Mine is decked out in Mesa tactical and has the mag extension. 7+1+1 capacity with 2 3/4 shells. Never ever failed me once! I neglected cleaning it for years too. Bad bad. Trust my life on that with my current experience with it. Got it in 2016
Genesis 12 you had to fight with the safety. K-USA struggled with the safety a little bit, then the trigger was momentarily frozen. The Beretta 1301 the safety popped right off, the trigger and the action worked flawlessly. The only problem was the lifter not feeding from the tube. So if you had a bandolier, or S-tac ammo cards or any sort of shell holder/carrier you could keep blasting while barely missing a beat (via combat reloads) I practice combat reloads everytime I take my 1301 to the range, and the Beretta heats up fast so after a few combat reloads, it'd likely get warm enough to release the lifter. While I have no military experience, I'd say the 1301 would be my go to. Gets right to work and the open bolt feeding is super quick and easy on the Berreta.m, no fighting to unfreeze trigger, or break loose the safety.
Be interesting to compare cold-weather gun lubricants like Nanoslick T60 Arctic lubricant, Cherrybalmz Winter Balm, etc to see how much or how little difference it makes on weapons when using them in the same situation. I think that if each of those weapons were lubed with military-grade CLP lubricant or one of the aforementioned lubricants they would have all worked. But what the hell do I know I live in N Louisiana we have about 2 weeks of cold weather a year. Lol
Two weeks of cold in Louisiana every year? Yeah, maybe two weeks of cold every thousand years or so. That's like us Alaskans telling people how to live in the heat...I mean up in the Interior it gets almost to 90f every few years for a day or so. Almost.
I absolutely love the dudes over at stockpile defense, by far the best store if you are building an Ar-15 or 10 and they are soooooo nice and helpful there! I went to idaho guns and outdoors to buy an ar-10 or similar .308 battle rifle and they were INCREDIBLY rude and condescending when i was asking if they had any and when i asked to take a look at the scar 17 they had they just completely ignored me, i took my money with me to stockpile defense and these dudes literally stayed with me while helping me make sure i had all the components and knowledge to build my ar-10 for half the price of the other store
I have a mossberg 500 and have had it for 3 years bought new, has been my go to gun for hunting and self defense just because it had never once jammed or fail to fire, best gun for the money in my opinion
The problem with pumps is there are many more places for the action to freeze at once. The bolt, the transfer bar and along the whole outside of the tube. A semi auto you have the bolt.
@@TheTrueNorth11 yeah but they rattle like a bag of bolts in the woods give me a slam fire model 12 if we trying to sneak up on something the new Remingtons are shit compared to the older ones I bought a 870 super mag put a couple hundred rounds through it still felt like it had sand in the action I unloaded that piece of shit for half what I paid for it and got a slug barrel for my grandads 1918 model 12 and never looked back
How water freezes within your gun will always vary. It may function fine one time but how the weapon freezes, while being sprinkled with water, may be different the next time. If it functions with some hard love, then that's a plus. @0:06 The Charlie hold lol
In kalifornee the Spas 12 works better than any other shot gun. As a matter of fact it is banned as apparently if you see one you die they are more deadly than ANY OTHER 12 gauge ever built.
@@schlomoshekelbergowitz you have your opinion, I have mine. Right or wrong doesn't figure into it, because it's an opinion. The biggest thing about him that annoys me about his "humor", is how disruptive it is. The stereotype of the class clown that interrupts and talks over others for attention. I'm watching GT for Mike and his content, not "The Jack Ass Charlie Show".
I think the biggest lesson we’ve all learned from the frozen series is to not use the safety’s in this weather 😂
I can’t wait for the belt fed freezing test. Prob PKM would win
Obligatory "This is my safety Sir" comment.
Glock taught me the safety is only for when others are watching.
You use your safety..?
Or just cover your weapon.
Safety can't freeze if you never use it, brother
"This, is my safety sir. 👆🏻"
@@Kremit_the_Forg was just going to comment that lol
And oil based lube can't make a gun run sluggishly in the cold if you don't apply it. Graphite.
@@mattmarzulaor just a lighter oil
@@Kremit_the_Forg This is your safety? Well, this is my boot, son! 😅
Mike using the bayonet to try and fix all his problems is the closest to be a Marine has has ever been.
I was cringing the whole time as the blade was close to his head. I know he considers this, but still
@@kriskodisko YUT
He's eaten crayons before, so this is second most marine thing
Just smacking guns with the blade 4 inches from his carotid 😂
R. Lee Ermey would be proud
Charlie is the type of person that writes his own answers on a multiple choice test
thats why we love him😂😂
I genuinely did this once.
Was asked about the history of Doppelbock beers on my cicerone exam. The "correct" answer was "created by monks to drink during lent". I wrote in "Created by friars to drink during lent. It was created by Paulaner, which was founded under the order of minims. The order of minimum produced friars, not monks. As the brewers were working class people taking a religious vow of poverty, not clergy."
Score came back as 100%.
Just a note for people who don't have a ton of experience in the field (hunting) with shotguns. If you ever get your barrel clogged up with mud, ice or other debris, the front end will burst when you fire it. I have destroyed a shotgun in this manner because I didn't have anyone to tell me better. If you ever drop a shotgun stop and check to make sure the bore is clear before you do anything else. Hope this helps!
You might want to specify to also at least empty the chamber first if you're going to do anything more involved than a quick flashlight inspection.
You felt the need to warn subscribers of a Firearms channel that bore obstructions are bad?
@@johnqpublic2718 yes 👽
@johnqpublic2718 unfortunately, yes. It's necessary.
make sure you look directly down the barrel
9:05 "Let me stand in front of it and pull" Charles never fails to make me laugh at any given time 🤣
I'm not sure if that was a safety, sexual or both reference 😂
The military does not have combat shotguns. They are only used for base security type roles.
@@guyfawkesuThe1
Out of context, in the wrong thread, probably completely unprompted and dead wrong but oh so confident.
There are always a few like you in every video, extra entertainment. 🤣
@@guyfawkesuThe1 and breaching doors. sometimes those doors have beards and are wearing flip flops.
That's what she said.
I think PCCs and PDWs should be explored. From the low end Hi-point carbines and Kel-Tec S2Ks. Too the upper echelon Sig MPX and H&K MP5 platforms. I would like to see how these perform in the ice tests.
Agreed. Just for shits and grins, throw in the Meta Tactical Apex conversion. It's just a pistol on the inside, but with the protection around it, who knows. It might work.
@@edmorris4103 Yes.
I want to see for the CX4 does
I think that hipoint carbine in 45acp might crush the test. It's a bulldozer, and sounds like a canon
@@2centsbear638 Ruger just released a 45. Carbine. It's like the 5.7 LC but scaled up
Footage at the end of Charlie cussing a dude out was incredible lol
Angry Charlie scared me bring back silly Charlie
I guess it's just an area thing but in the South it's pretty normal to piss behind your truck. Not on asphalt usually, or in someone's driveway, but them pearl clutching about it after making fun of commie states was funny.
@@rockerknight25 I mean yeah on your own property or out in the country, who cares but as soon as you're on my property and I don't know you.. it's a problem lol
@@rockerknight25 funny you think pissing on other people's property like you own it, isn't an commie thing, sorry bozo, but in capitalist society, we own things.
@@rockerknight25: It's pretty normal here in rural Washington too, just not in an apartment parking lot.
Manufacturers are afraid of the Frozen series of tests. Incredible content.
Ironic that even when testing shotguns, it all boils down to AR vs AK
And the double barrel
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@@22buranSo you get 1 shot, and then man reload; a fail IMO.
better than no shot
Angry Charles= scary Charles
Out of the respect for the commitment and the scale of the test itself, I did one thing I've never done before, liked the video right at the beginning before watching most of it.
king!
Absolute savage
I have not a 2nd thought about GT and other fine tubers, his vids are liked before I get anywhere near the play button. Quality is always assured. Oh, and i always seek to feed the algorithm gods with an offering of word salad in the comments. Thanks for the infotainment good sirs.
I instantly thumbs down it and then change my mind 13 times…. Where’s he land today Johnny??? Who knows 🤷♂️😂
@@GarandThumbI loved the test and was laughing really hard when you were whining about the 5°F temperatures, while it’s -50 here…
I bought my KUSA Komrad when they first dropped for $750. Before i took it out, i polished the internals and it ate anything over 1200ft/sec. Eventually added a CSS reliability kit and it consistently eats anything except the lightest Winchester White Box light loads. It's been a fantastic gun. Glad to see it have a good showing.
White box Winchester is fucking ass too so that’s saying something too cuz idk any gun that consistently runs white box winchesters
I love the energy Charlie is displaying at the end of the video/in the clip. "I'm this fu***ng close" :)
Is no one gonna talk about how many times he had to tell him to put it up though?? Like he’s crazy to even had to have been told more than once cause Charlie looked like he really was finna put the hurt on him😅
0:48 I love how Garand thumb just casually but instinctively swats Charlie’s poor attempt at making a snow ball 😂😂😂
It's because his joke was bad and he should feel bad lol.
Dad energy right there
I was gonna say big brother energy
How is it you know the side characters name but still call Mike "Garand Thumb"?
@@borrago because “Garand Thumb” is the main character. But I know who he is lol That’s like saying why don’t you say “Dwayne Johnson” instead of The Rock. Also I just wanted to put Garand Thumb instead of Mike 🤭
Timestamps for anyone interested (Results in Replies):
0:00 Intro
1:49 TEST 1 (FUNCTION TEST TO VERIFY WEAPONS’ OPERATIONAL STATUS)
2:26 Franchi SPAS 12
2:39 Remington 870 (Vang Comp Custom)
3:01 Mossberg 590A1
3:15 Beretta A300
3:30 Genesis Arms Gen 12
3:48 Beretta 1301
3:56 Remington Double Barrel (Probably a Spartan)
4:13 Benelli M4 (M1014)
4:38 Benelli M4 (Taran Tactical Custom)
4:53 Turknelli (Turkish Benelli Clone)
5:15 Kalashnikov USA Saiga 12
5:35 Benelli M2 (Taran Tactical Custom)
6:05 AMMO CHANGE DUE TO POOR PERFORMANCE. RESHOOT OF GUNS WITH POOR PERFORMANCE TO FOLLOW
6:24 Remington 870 reshoot
6:27 Benelli M4 reshoot
6:29 Turknelli Reshoot
6:45 TEST 2 (FREEZING RAIN) COMMENCES
8:04 SPAS 12
8:36 Remington 870 (Vang Comp)
10:52 Mossberg 590A1
12:05 Beretta A300
13:30 Beretta 1301
13:50 Genesis Gen 12
14:21 Remington Double Barrel
15:16 Benelli M4 (Scrapped on account of SOMEONE forgetting to load a round into the chamber during the water
15:50 XIDAX SPONSOR
16:17 Benelli M4 Reshoot (after loading and respraying)
17:28 Taran Tactical M4
18:37 Turknelli
19:20 KUSA Saiga
19:53 Benelli M2 (Taran Tactical)
21:09 TEST 3 (STRAIGHT UP DOUSING IN WATER)
21:23 SPAS 12
22:36 Beretta 1301
24:07 Genesis Gen 12
25:32 Remington Double Barrel
26:49 Turknelli
28:26 KUSA Saiga
29:25 Benelli M2
31:05 BEGINNING OF THE END
32:00 Garand Thumb’s thoughts
32:20 Charlie’s thoughts
32:31 Micah’s thoughts
33:08 Closing Remarks
33:40 Average Tacoma, Washington Interaction (guy pisses outside charlie’s house for some reason)
34:20 Charlie almost calls his neighbor a slut
Results by shotgun:
*SPAS 12*
Test 1: Ran fine
Test 2: Ran alright
Test 3: Hammer half dropped. Gun become a time bomb of when the thing's gonna go off. *DISQUALIFIED*
*Vang Comp 870*
Test 1: Choked a little on the shitty turkish slugs, ran fine after ammo change
Test 2: Stiff safety, pump action was tough to cycle, frozen mag tube *DISQUALIFIED*
*Mossberg 590A1*
Test 1: Ran fine "I think this one will win because of the safety" - GT
Test 2: Safety became stuck and the action became extremely stiff, *DISQUALIFIED*
*Beretta A300*
Test 1: Ran fine
Test 2: Ice kept stopping the bolt from fully seating therfore the out of battery safety kept the gun from firing *DISQUALIFIED*
*Beretta 1301*
Test 1: Ran fine
Test 2: Ran fine
Test 3: Failure to eject followed by a failure to feed (lifter and mag tube frozen) *DISQUALIFIED*
*Genesis Gen 12*
Test 1: Ran fine
Test 2: Ran fine
Test 3: Safety took a little mechanical persuasion and the gun fail to eject the first 2 rounds, ejected the third. Further shells were added in excitement, where it failed to eject twice then loaded the third
*Remington Double Barrel*
Test 1: Ran fine
Test 2: Safety took some mechanical persuasion, but ran fine
Test 3: Safety needed more persuation, and the left barrel refused to fire, but the right barrel worked just fine.
*Benelli M4*
Test 1: Choked a little on the bad ammo, ran fine on the good ammo
Test 2: Charlie forgot to load the shell into the chamber therefore they added a shell and repoured the water
Test 2.1: Safety needed some persuasion and the bolt wouldn't seat due to ice. Gun ran fine once the ice broke *DISQUALIFIED* (I have some problems with this ruling)
*Taran Tactical M4*
Test 1: Ran Fine
Test 2: Safety took work, Out of battery safety due to unseated bolt *DISQUALIFIED*
*Turknelli*
Test 1: Choked on bad ammo, ran on good ammo
Test 2: Ran fine, although the bolt started to get sluggish and a wierd time on the last shell
Test 3: Safety needed work, Frozen trigger *DISQUALIFIED*
*KUSA Saiga*
Test 1: Ran fine
Test 2: Ran fine (had to smack the safety twice though)
Test 3: Safety took a couple smacks, first round had a failure to eject/cycle, second round refused to fire at all, ran fine afterwords
*Taran Tactical Benelli M2*
Test 1: Ran fine
Test 2: Ran fine
Test 3: Safety took mechanical persuasion, Frozen trigger and bolt. *DISQUALIFIED*
*OVERALL WINNER:* KUSA Saiga 12
*RUNNER UP:* Genisis Gen 12
last timestamp is best timestamp lol
Bro what
You forgot Charlie's classic SDI intro.
You sir are a gentleman and a scholar
I’m so glad the double barrel made it in the top 3, such a timeless design for anywhere and everywhere.
Regardless of the results, the sound of you guys smashing those shotguns on the table created some award-winning sound effects. I feel like I've heard those exact sound effects with people breaking stone structures in rust.
I though the same things, good stuff.
I put my phone down but had the ear buds in and I was very confused why they were upset about the gun shooting.
I busted out laughing when the 870 was froze up and he said "Let me stand in front of it and pull." lmao
Charlie is awesome.
That shit was hilarioua
the 3-400 year old solution to this problem is the Cows knee an oil skin flap that covers the action , it was how you kept the powder , flint and frizen clear and dry. could be something as expedient as the leg of a pair of pants cut off oiled down and slid over the action. when the Cree would hunt in the deep winter they kept their rifles and shotguns in cloth sleeves it takes less time to yank a sleeve off than mess with a frozen safety , hammer or action.
An easier solution: Just use a Saiga 12. :P
Based!
Spare gaitor with some handwarmers tossed in it wrapped around the action.
I ain't saying you ain't right. But I carried a flintlock in a snowstorm using all the tricks in the book and got a hella delay when I cleared it that night. The next day in the rain storm I clacked it twice trying to get it to go.... (then my ramrod swelled and got stuck in the thimbles requiring significant effort to remedy). I'm certainly a flintlock newbie. But I do have 80-90 miles in the mountains with one. 4 whitetails, 1 mulie, and popped 2 javelinas last weekend. I love it.
@@danielschmidt123 What are you using for prime? 4fg isn't he best choice for hunting. Prime with the same powder as you are shooting helps a lot. Don't be stingy, dump and put new priming powder morning and lunch. There's not much you can do if the flint and frizzen gets wet other than dry it off.
I have the KUSA Komrad and an older Mossberg 500.
After doing a little bit of work on the internals of the Komrad, just to make it run low brass reliably, I love that mag fed shotgun. So glad to see it reign supreme in the frozen world of GT.
Charlie yelling at neighbor was the clear winner in the ice challenge. Dude in truck clearly froze with fear. 🥶
Nah that didn’t sit well with me.
Charlie’s great and all, but when you’ve got to go you’ve got to go. A little pee isn’t going to hurt his driveway, and there didn’t seem to be any kiddos around that could have seen the one-eyed trouser snake spitting into the wind.
@@EatTheMarxistsI mean he disrespected the man’s home I think scaring the guy was an appropriate response
Peeing outside keeps the coyotes away
@@dallasallad335 I don’t necessarily disagree with you, and I don’t suddenly dislike Charlie for his response; I just think that there’s some things worth fighting for and some things worth letting go. I wouldn’t curse at someone peeing on my property; heck, I’ve peed outside on my property before back when my dog was alive and I’ll take her out to potty when I got home for work in the morning. Some times I’d need to go and I’d pee while she was doing her business.
I’m so glad Charlie is back 😂😂 “which presidents son am I” had me rolling 😅😂
"Slava Mnava"
Who's president's son is he?
Huge flex covering the entire mountain with Charlie.
@@WepimpChimpin59Honorable Joe
Nuts to butts on the sled😂
That sequence at 7:15 is so unnecessarily, beautifully cinematic and I’m appreciative of that.
That was the dude that was pissing outside Charlie's place lol
The backfire into the chamber on the Turkish shotgun was caused from not all of the powder being expelled because of ice in the chamber, and when fired on the second shell the powder that was embedded in the ice from running the first shell through it ignited making the shotgun look like it was going 88 MPH like the DMC Delorian time machine did in the Back to The Future movies.
It warms my heart knowing that the old coach gun is still able to contend with the big boys in terms of reliability.
one barrel firing is only 50% reliable
You better make those 2 shots count
@@TheRoadhammer379 Think of it another way, you on all the other weapons, if the trigger froze the weapon was useless.
On the coach gun, BOTH triggers have to freeze to make it completely useless.
Not a whole lot of pieces that can go wrong. Simplicity is often hard to break. With the coach, as long as the trigger pulls and the hammer drops, you get a bang. The rest of the guns had to contend with tube loading or magazines, actions that could jam, and shells that may not eject.
@@TheRoadhammer379 And that barrel is 100% reliable.
Mike: “could you imagine a charging…”
Charlie: “Japanese”
Mike: “Russian?”
😂😂😂😂
Was looking for this comment lol had me rolling 🤣
That part stuck out to me too😂😂
Charlie seems to have an almost personal beef with the Japanese
Charlie is an invaluable comedic boon to this channel lmao
We are happy Charlie survived leaving the Commie state
The pissing story and "if she was in the bible she wouldn't have made it" had me roling. Great way to send off the vid
" Here, let me stand in front of it, and pull. "
I Died!
Charlie is hilarious!
“Which President’s son am I?” 🤣😂
“I’ll stand in front and pull.” 😂🤣
Not forgetting "The type of female, if she was in the Bible she wouldn't make it."
"If she was in the bible she wouldn't have made it." had me rollin'
the infamous benelli 'click' happens due to the bolt design allowing water the get inside the valley of the firing pin and rotating cam pin for the bolt head in the m2-m4 variations as well as the super black eagle line and Turkish copies except for very few like retay. gas driven shotguns like the 1301, a300 etc. are more reliable in the cold, wet or muddy conditions
I’ve run Benelli’s, Franchi’s or Remington shotguns most of my life, in the last 2 years I’ve swapped to a Retay Masai Mara and been very impressed
The dreaded benelli click can be fixed with a spring kit but it pisses me off that my $1400 m2 I had to add a $35 spring kit and I am just a turkey hunter I picked up a Retay couple years ago and they fixed that damn issue
You can induce this malfunction on just about any rotating bolt shotgun by bumping the charging handle, taking the bolt slightly out of battery. I’ve done it on my A400 Extreme a couple times hunting and have seen it with browning gas and inertia guns as well.
@@dbuckner902010 yup for the money it should run flawlessly
Dont ever lose Charlie, he is awesome! SDI should be so lucky to have such an amazing spokesperson.
Love it when the thrupple is together... Such natural chemistry and hilarious shit. Reminds me of just hangin with the boys.
The TriPerd
Absolutely the best quality and entertaining videos anywhere. Bravo from an OG Army Vet!
Never been a fan of horror movies. These frozen videos are truly terrifying. I can’t get enough.
I've waited 3 whole seasons for one of these videos again. Curious to see how bolt action guns work when frozen
probably quite well especially with a large safety lever, the push button ones maybe not without hammering and if the firing pin freezes, internal mags would probably work better than box magazines and then the only other issue is firing pins freezing
From what I've heard, any of them with a fluted bolt will cycle just fine. I'd be more worried about the triggers freezing up.
Pretty much the same way they work when they're welded closed. Perfectly.
So smacking it against things like Bam Bam would, in your experienced opinion, be unwise?
@@DerivativeWorker You only do that when you're trying to improve accuracy, goof.
Big takeaway: Bayonets are a must. Great video as always guys! Ya know, combat aside, as a hunter, I find this quite interesting. I have had guns freeze up while hiking in. Good info.
We had freezing rain here in Missouri today, I actually really appreciate these tests
My car got stuck in the street because I couldn't get it back up the hill
I was sooo wishing I could have taken my AK out to the range
Yeah it was rough. I was one of the only ones that showed up to the office.
Charlie got me laughing so hard im crying. These guys are gold when they are all together
the neighbor slander cracked me tf up
I had to rewind, I was missing so much from laughing.
“Which presidents son am I?” Love it
*Whuch...ftfy
Never forget Gonzalo Lira.
Understand what's going on.
@@D.v1dL33Gonzalo Lira? Are.. are you serious? PLEASE tell me you're joking.
@@D.v1dL33 Never forget the guy who was an active traitor to his country, and was taking pictures of Ukrainian defences to send to the Russians? Why exactly would he be relevant here?
@@TheTedberg Hunter in a scarf an fruit of the looms is kinduv presidential.
Me in Louisiana: “interesting “
Me in Washington State: 😭
Me in Arizona: I hope my shotgun does well.
You need a video like, "Which shotgun can best survive falling off and a boat and being eaten by a gator?"
Now that you have mentioned it I'm 100% certain it is going to snow in Louisiana in the near future
lmao
When Charlie first arrived on the channel I was skeptical about what he adds. Now that we’ve had a break from him I am sooo glad he’s back!
Blowing into the chamber - the old NES trick never fails
Which is also the *perfect* way of getting ice absolutely everywhere into the action.
@@fooanonymous
I pity tha foo!
As a waterfowl hunter this is a super realistic test. Also I feel your pain on the cleaning lol
It’s a royal pain cleaning up after a frozen hunt
What do you use? I don't hunt much at all, but I love a Benelli ETHOS Cordoba BE.S.T
It is very weather and water-resistant.
@@JohnZ556 I shoot a side by side mainly because I shoot them for upland and I like the option for different chokes but I’m probably one of the few to do that
@@SchwarzeskabelGWP Cool, indeed I don't see many side-by-side these days. I tried an 828 U Upland Performance Shop. It is NICE and featherweight(6.4lb 24"bbl) if you gotta walk a lot.
Turkish built Winchester SXP piece of sheite in my case.... @@censoredpleb2241
Charlie seems like the kind of guy who is goofy and jovial 99.9% of the time, and then you make him mad and is scary
9:06 "let me stand in front of it and pull"
-Charlie
I was rolling on that one.
Love it, would say the 1301 has to tie with the double barrel if they both had a partial failure but you could still run a single shell at a time.
These videos have taught me the importance of proper firearm maintenance and storage.
If you're going to be in weather conditions like this wrap a trash bag around your gun at a minimum, but if you're out in this kind of weather you probably need to seek shelter so you don't die.
Lol where I live this is normal weather for a couple months every year lol
If you can’t build a fire and stay awake to keep it fueled in the bare elements, then definitely seek shelter. You can make one, but realize knots are hard with gloves or numb fingers. Snow is more insulated than anything below 25 Fahrenheit, but it is still 32 or colder, which is lethal. Good equipment isn’t always cheap. Your home is better than trying to hoof it in a shtf scenario unless you are in direct threat.
Charlie gives this channel something other channels do not have, glad he is back. I also love how thrashing the shotgun on a table with shotguns actually sounds like a shotgun aswell :D Great video!
What? Conspiracy theorists are a dime a dozen dude lol.
@@Mygg_Jeagertheorists? Charlie is a conspiracy reporter. Get with the times
@@matthewherr1588 That's a you problem, mate.
@@Mygg_Jeager real question: are you a bot?
@@matthewherr1588 obviously not lmfao.
How many times was the 590A1 bayonet used on different platforms? Therefore...clear winner was the 590A1! =)
Charlie is the friend everyone needs in their life.
Yup, he'd make even me look intelligent
@@henrikchristensen6314ehhh let’s calm down buddy.
I want a Charlie in my life! I could be laughing all the time
After listening to that story about how he catfished one of his friends... Ehhhh, maybe not everyone.
Love Charlie's unfiltered commentary. Especially during ad reads.
Absolutely love the real world results from this kind of testing. I too thought the pump actions would be the most reliable. I’d be really interested to see how Remingtons 1100 and V3 would perform in these tests. I’d been debating a Komrad 12ga vs a gen12, both performed well still hard to decide.
I would've figured something like the mossy 940 which is a direct competitor to the a300 or the 1100 or 11-87 due to greater availability than something like the spas 12 would've made sense to include
I love how Garand went shooting with Admin in Phoenix and was all "Oh God why is it so hot?!?", and now he's in 5 degree ice trying to get shotguns to fire while Charlie makes snowballs in the background. And I'm watching this in Scottsdale with our freezing 60 degree weather.
The heat makes you weak!!!
The heck is with our rain today? Shits weird :\
I mean as a Washington resident we take the cold way better up here than the heat lol.
I find weather funny, people claim Arizona is too hot and Idaho is too cold, where I live the winters are nearly as cold as Idaho and the summer are nearly as hot as Arizona. I remeber when we set a record low (-31 and a wind chill of -47) and a record string of days above 100 (101 days), i was living in a house without heat or A/C. Both records in the same year.
😂 its -20c here in Canada where I am
My man Charlie. the true hero / main character of every grandthum video
He was at top form for this video.🤣
Seeing you die inside, when comrade Saiga fulfilled it's duty is priceless. Somewhere one Brandon said: "I knew it"
Except its pretty awful at everything else outside of this test. But you do you.@@roaringsteelmedia
I knew the Komrade would do well if it was a well running Komrade to begin with as I have seen some really unreliable Komrades. The surprise is the AR frozen. It would be like a AK doing well in a mud test which would also be a total surprise.
Until it didn't.
I had high hopes for the M2 but sadly it didn't do the thing. I got a SBE II from my dad and it's my only semi auto shotgun, in almost pristine condition. I love it and though I haven't been bird hunting in years it's a wonderful shotgun. My Nova, also gifted to me by my dad, was the mud gun for when we knew we were jump shooting ducks and the likelihood of tripping and dunking a gun was high. The SBE got dunked a couple times and it never even hesitated. Mud flew and it fired the three shots it had perfectly, dropping ducks in the process. I also inherited a late 80's 870 from my grandad and it hasn't seen a box of shells. It's beautiful. Shotguns are what I got started shooting and this video reminded me of memory lane, and all the things I won't do to my guns. Thanks Mike, it was a great video.
It's good to have Charlie back. Love his off the wall humor.
15:44
"You had one job!!"
"That I did correct 9 times before"
Charlie made a good point lmao
i dont know why but that was the funniest part of the whole video
He usually only does make good points.
Charlie for president! 💯🎉
To restore common sense, and unity in truth!
Last statement and scene needs memed. 💯
Had a supervisor in the Air Force that said you could do 9 things right, and people will only ever remember the 1 thing you did wrong
As a hunter the biggest surprise was the ks-12 vs the beneli M2, would've loved to see a Super Black Eagle and an Auto 5. The double barrel having only one barrel working is actually a pretty common reason backcountry hunters choose them
Yea, I’m disappointed the Auto 5 wasn’t included
@@GunSperg I am disappointed too, and I mean the real auto 5. Not the wood stocked Benelli. The Auto 5 is arguably the best semi auto shotgun ever made.
@@thomascondon9447 yea an old school real Belgian made Auto 5 or a Remington Model 11 should’ve definitely been included
If you get a good sbe, you can put it through hell and it will still fire. I’ve had mine get splashed in 0 degree weather, insta freeze and still fire all three rounds. Hell of a gun.
would’ve liked to seen a tri star middle ground hunting semi. atleast their was no stoeger 😅😂
I have a Beretta Xtrema2 shotgun. I live in Atlantic Canada. I have been duck hunting in late Dec in -14 C weather. I've had my gun exposed to extended periods of snow and water and the Beretta has always delivered. Awesome video enjoyed watching those guns perform at extremes.
I’m just happy that the Gen 12 survived both frozen test. As an AR fan I consider that a win!
Bungie sound design used the spas-12 for the shotgun blast in Halo 1,2 and 3
Didnt know that
Funny thing, though, is the “ping” sound that the OG Halo shotgun is famous for is due to the SPAS-12’s bolt cycling in semi-auto (all semi autos will have that sound effect to some degree, but the SPAS-12’s bolt being so chunky makes it very audible), which wouldn’t be there for the Halo shotgun since it’s pump.
That being said, the sound is absolutely iconic.
I've always called it the benelli click. As an upland hunter and waterfowler it happens when the guns get dirty and cold or one or the other. In this case very cold. They just don't go to battery sometimes.
It’s because of the design of the firing pin channel 😊
The lesson I learned was to stay in the warm in freezing weather . In about 1935 my father bought a Harrington Richardson single barrel 12 gauge shotgun. While hunting in Winter he had too much to drink and misplaced his shotgun. He found his shotgun the next Spring in a corn shock. No issues at all and works like it was intended to this day. I only use low brass shells today due to guns age.
As a Minnesotan interested in a good 12 gauge, this is immensely helpful. Big thanks!
Take it from an Alaskan rural LEO, we all use 870s up here.
It's called, take care of your gear.
@@JD-tn5lz I mean, yes, obviously one shouldn't let their gun get this bad over time.
But who knows; maybe you fall through some ice in subzero weather, only to be charged by an angry something-or-another after pulling yourself out of the ice hole.
Unlikely and silly? Absolutely. Could it still happen? Sure. Can something less unlikely and less silly put you in the same basic situation of 'need a gun but it's frozen solid'? Definitely.
They sell those at the Mogadishu baazar along with AKs there?
The deal is, there are more condition parameters that need to be taken into account. Some are environmental but most aren't.
Just one of many...detachable mags for shotties are nice, but then look at whatever other gear you're carrying and also how your weapon is stowed. That's one page of a really large book.
Mechanical reliability. Malfunction clearance.
Etc.
By the way, and yes, I HAVE waded through muskeg and have broken into a few creeks with gear and weapons, and YES, the very first thing you do after you've verified you're still alive is check your weapons. @@nextcaesargaming5469
@@JD-tn5lzcorrect. But still downvoting cuz you’re a cop. Do better
All the snow shotguns are on back order in Texas
We don’t get that cold
@@professorz3036bruh they shut down Austin because it was 25°F no ice no snow 😂
@@SuspiciousGanymede Yeah but it is Austin after all. Basically it is Portland or LA.
@@professorz3036 Wel maybe for a day or two then the sun returns.
As usual the AR and AK’s rule lol
Also once again we’ve all learned not to drench our tools with water when out in the winter weather. If your roughing it out in the winter you gotta watch out for condensation when having your tools outside then bringing them inside where it’s warm. Either gotta leave it out in the winter weather or every night clean it.
i think this tells us . too take care of any fire arm in incerment weather. gear can fail. loved the tests. look forward for pistal and rifle tests in sub freezing. love ya charlie. ya a snow mobile. ran a trapline. lever action tube fail from in the cabin to outside. left outside degreased wraped always worked.. and iron sights. they do not fog up. keep up the great work.
You should have a water tub for a quick submersion for the dousing, emulating a drop into a pond or something. That would also probably make it more consistent across all guns, because pouring won't be as even.
They are trying to avoid water from entering the bore
Their not submerging them as to prevent solid ice blocks in the barrel, which will absolutely and permanently kill your barrel, thats just too much of a health risk to everyone involved
Have missed Charlie. Glad he’s back on the channel. This is the team
Cool test. One shotgun I'm missing in this test is the Franchi inertia driven semi auto.. I got a Franchi Affinity, a really popular winter shotgun over here in Norway. Never failed me , but then again, I don't go swimming with my guns in the winter months.
Franchi is now owned by Beretta if I'm not mistaken. M2 is the old inertia driven system
@@jhavisto the M2 has the recoil spring in the stock if I'm not mistaken. The Franchi's have the recoil spring around the magazine tube.
Same spring setup (on the mag tube) as the stoeger m3000
The SPAS12 is so iconic...but such a POS. = is over-engineered, but not by germans.
THANKS for including a Mossberg in the test: Its the 'ford explorer' to Benelli's 'Escalade'...Even among LEOs a lot have Moss 500s/590s (or REM 870s).
21:50 this is part of the magic of these videos. Explaining these wild and crazy failure mechanisms that many have never even considered. Yea it's cool to base your whole personality around it when your niche favorite gun does well, but this is good learning too. Maybe if you're out patrolling in freezing rain keep jogging the safety and action every now and again I guess.
The immediate recognition of the problem is fantastic. His face when right after says it all
9:06 "let me stand in front of it and pull" lol
Lmao best part
Thanks so much for doing these frozen skits or "tests". Had the same results with pump shotguns and single shot shotguns were completely frozen solid shut while on front of the tracked 4wheeler in freezing rain and then freezing going up in elevation here in Idaho. Stupid single shot required a stint on the 4wheeler exhaust to get it warmed up so it could be open and eject the hull. As a side I've had really good result with the ruger scout rifle and US M1917 in freezing and wet weather. Other things not so much. The cold test are the best.
Makes sense about the M1917 working well, the Sirius Dog Sled Patrol uses it in Greenland still. Long range recon patrols in north Greenland for months on end.
I've duck and goose hunted in some absolutely apocalyptic winter weather with my Browning Auto 5, and I've never encountered a problem with it. On a particular goose hunt in Kansas a number of years ago, the hunt started at 36° and raining as a front was coming through, and within 3 hours the temp dropped to 16° and went from raining, to sleeting, to snowing. We were all covered in ice. I think it was the first time I ever had my beard freeze. In a party of 8, the only weapons which worked every time were mine and an old timers Auto 5s. Even the pumps didnt work well. The guys with the fancy Benellis couldn't even disengage their safeties half the time. The Browning Auto 5 is the king of shotguns.
My theory on the pump actions failing is the transfer bar on the pump adding surface area for ice to form and slow down operation compared to the tube fed semiautomatics.
Yup, ice expands and the bar has to slide against it
Started out duck hunting with an 870 express. Id go offshore so it was pretty much a guarantee that the gun would get wet. I think you’re right, but I also found that ice on certain areas of the receiver or feed tube could get completely wedged with the whole pump assembly. Now I just smile and nod when people say pumps are more reliable than a lot of the gas and inertia options out there lol
I think it has more to do with his pumps specifically. Somehow his 590 or his 870 is always underperforming in his video scenarios where in very similar IRL situations I have seen other 500's handle flawlessly. IDK. Will fully acknowledge a frozen mag tube etc. but my mileage has varied.
@@NpapavaHe should try a super X pump.
I love the torture test videos. I'm hoping the Remington does well.
Update: it doesn't
It did just OK. One barrel is better than no barrels.
@@Ntmoffi when he said Remington i thought he meant the 870
@@devin5360 He did.
@@devin5360 well maybe he should have been more precise on that. The 870 is from Vang Comp and the double barrel is an off the shelf Remington model.
About freezing water.
It actually can sometimes rain in water form while being way below its normal
freezing temperature. And fun part is how it will instantly freeze when it makes contact with
anything.
Windshield on car is one worst when it happens because in most cases
your wipers and heating cant keep up with building up ice and you simply had to drive side
and scrape that off manually once in while. Pretty much same story with headlights specially
if those are led ones which wont produce much heat to beginwith.
We just had a bunch of it in Washington.
I've actually been in a situation, in Illinois, where our breath was freezing on the INSIDE of the windshield. The defroster just couldn't keep up. We were scraping the frost away every little bit.
The Remington Versa max tactical would be awesome to test. I've got one with the 22" barrel and it's chambered for 3.5" shells. Tac Ord mods one out with the 18" barrel.
Mine is decked out in Mesa tactical and has the mag extension. 7+1+1 capacity with 2 3/4 shells. Never ever failed me once! I neglected cleaning it for years too. Bad bad. Trust my life on that with my current experience with it. Got it in 2016
LOL that ending with Charlie and his reaction. Ultra fricking based
Genesis 12 you had to fight with the safety.
K-USA struggled with the safety a little bit, then the trigger was momentarily frozen.
The Beretta 1301 the safety popped right off, the trigger and the action worked flawlessly.
The only problem was the lifter not feeding from the tube.
So if you had a bandolier, or S-tac ammo cards or any sort of shell holder/carrier you could keep blasting while barely missing a beat (via combat reloads)
I practice combat reloads everytime I take my 1301 to the range, and the Beretta heats up fast so after a few combat reloads, it'd likely get warm enough to release the lifter.
While I have no military experience, I'd say the 1301 would be my go to. Gets right to work and the open bolt feeding is super quick and easy on the Berreta.m, no fighting to unfreeze trigger, or break loose the safety.
1301 Tactical rocked it. Blink system did fantastic!
Yeah LMK when your shotgun freezes over 🤣
I saw the lifter moving at the end. But he didn't have any ammo in it. But it was working as it should
Hell ya brother
Be interesting to compare cold-weather gun lubricants like Nanoslick T60 Arctic lubricant, Cherrybalmz Winter Balm, etc to see how much or how little difference it makes on weapons when using them in the same situation. I think that if each of those weapons were lubed with military-grade CLP lubricant or one of the aforementioned lubricants they would have all worked. But what the hell do I know I live in N Louisiana we have about 2 weeks of cold weather a year. Lol
Two weeks of cold in Louisiana every year?
Yeah, maybe two weeks of cold every thousand years or so.
That's like us Alaskans telling people how to live in the heat...I mean up in the Interior it gets almost to 90f every few years for a day or so. Almost.
I absolutely love the dudes over at stockpile defense, by far the best store if you are building an Ar-15 or 10 and they are soooooo nice and helpful there! I went to idaho guns and outdoors to buy an ar-10 or similar .308 battle rifle and they were INCREDIBLY rude and condescending when i was asking if they had any and when i asked to take a look at the scar 17 they had they just completely ignored me, i took my money with me to stockpile defense and these dudes literally stayed with me while helping me make sure i had all the components and knowledge to build my ar-10 for half the price of the other store
Yay! The Benelli M2 worked. That’s what I use for duck hunting! And although my gun has never frozen, it has taken a swim on a couple occasions.
20:16 Turknelli: you what mate?
I have a mossberg 500 and have had it for 3 years bought new, has been my go to gun for hunting and self defense just because it had never once jammed or fail to fire, best gun for the money in my opinion
Yessir. I agree whole heartedly. Best shotgun I've ever had
The problem with pumps is there are many more places for the action to freeze at once. The bolt, the transfer bar and along the whole outside of the tube. A semi auto you have the bolt.
At 11:50 Garand Thumb finally settled the debate between the Mossberg 590 and the Remington 870
Nah it was settled a decade ago.
Mossberg shotguns are more reliable.
It just confirmed what we all already knew.
@@TheTrueNorth11 yeah but they rattle like a bag of bolts in the woods give me a slam fire model 12 if we trying to sneak up on something the new Remingtons are shit compared to the older ones I bought a 870 super mag put a couple hundred rounds through it still felt like it had sand in the action I unloaded that piece of shit for half what I paid for it and got a slug barrel for my grandads 1918 model 12 and never looked back
@@79huddy Sweet story bro.
Charlie out here looking like Bubbles post Weight Watchers
The m2 inertia design does really well in adverse conditions I’ve used it in. Happy to see it do well
I absolutely love your ice and mud tests. They are among your best videos. I would love to see lever and bolt actions tested as well.
How water freezes within your gun will always vary. It may function fine one time but how the weapon freezes, while being sprinkled with water, may be different the next time. If it functions with some hard love, then that's a plus.
@0:06 The Charlie hold lol
As a duck hunter myself I had complete confidence in the M2, been using them for years with my Pa. And they always work in cold wet conditions!
Wish you had a Mossberg 940 in this mix. Been comparing it to the 1301 and the A300 for my next purchase.
Do yourself a favor and avoid the Mossy. Great pump guns, not so much for semis despite what their paid shills say.
I have the waterfowl Pro model. So far it has been stellar. The action was a bit stiff out the box but it slicked up.
I have the 1301 and love it, what an awesome shotgun!!
Charlie holding Mike down by his hip as he tries to get off the snowmobile was classic 😂😂😂😂😂. Charlie's face expression said it all 😂😂😂😂😂
In kalifornee the Spas 12 works better than any other shot gun. As a matter of fact it is banned as apparently if you see one you die they are more deadly than ANY OTHER 12 gauge ever built.
Also, we literally have just had freezing rain for multiple days here in Oregon. It’s 100% possible, and it’s 100% annoying.
Wisconsin too
@@kyleRS87Chicago deals with it too
It's called hail and sleet.
I’m super shocked you guys didn’t include the Kel Tec KSG!
It’s McDonald’s plastic would have shattered after the first test
I love it. Charlie and Micah are ultra based and bring an awesome dynamic to this channel. Keep killin it gentlemen.
Charlie is annoying, Micah is based.
@@d3ltaohniner261You're entitled to your opinion,even if it's wrong
@@schlomoshekelbergowitz you have your opinion, I have mine. Right or wrong doesn't figure into it, because it's an opinion.
The biggest thing about him that annoys me about his "humor", is how disruptive it is. The stereotype of the class clown that interrupts and talks over others for attention. I'm watching GT for Mike and his content, not "The Jack Ass Charlie Show".
@@d3ltaohniner261
Say you've got a hate boner for Charley without saying it😁
Try the Winchester sx4 and franchi affinity. Target focused life did a similar test and these 2 rise to the top
I have a super X pump and I love it.
Loving the snow! Keeps the rifraff out!