Wang Gungwu on America in China’s Century of Humiliation
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- Опубліковано 15 чер 2021
- An excerpt from Wang Gungwu’s interview with Kishore Mahbubani in US-China Relations: Past, Present and Future, a MOOC on the edX platform.
In this excerpt, Wang Gungwu talks about the role that America played during China’s Century of Humiliation from 1842-1949.
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Chinese are pease loving and highly intelligent people with a civilization of more than five thousand years. They are fully aware of what are good and evil for humankind survival.
Perhaps true in the past, but not today.
Today the CCP have destroyed almost all of the old respected Chinese culture, and now are eliminating entire cultures that are different from Han Chinese.
@@_SamUSA_ We Chinese r taught to treat guests better than when treating oneself. Mao taught that some “guests” r not deserving of this at all. I’m with Mao. The Chinese hv stood up.
@@djtan3313 "treat guests better than when treating oneself"
does not agree with
"some 'guests' r not deserving of this"
and completely make it meaningless.
You are with Mao? The one who killed more than 45 million good Chinese with his incredibly stupid "Great Leap Backward"?
The CCP is as stupid also today. Before XI, China was respected and honored as becoming a civilized nation.
Now the CCP has made China into an enemy of all nations on China's border and all nations with a coastline on the South China Sea.
Xi, and his CCP is the most resent disaster for China and the good Chinese people.
Do you know who the CCP are?
They are around 17 corrupt Chinese families who have power over you. They decide how much you will be paid. They decide what movies you can see. They decide how much taxes they will take from you to give to their own families.
They want you to be afraid of them so that you will continue to "hope" for a better future, while they today enjoy the profit you and your family make for them.
You have an illegal VPN. Use it to learn what is happening in China today, and where your place is in comparison to the families of the CCP.
But the problem is decision is taken by the ambitious, politically motivated, indoctrinated, biased, and a false idea of proving something to the posterity. Fortunately, history throws them into the dustbin in no time.
@Lord Word I agree, Mao made a mistake.
But the Communist system was unable to stop the mistake from continuing after it was understood to be taking food away from the good Chinese people.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward
"Not all deaths during the Great Leap were from starvation. Frank Dikötter estimates that at least 2.5 million people were beaten or tortured to death"
The exact same thing can happen today.
What if dictator Xi made an obvious mistake? All Chinese know his decision will cause many untold numbers of good Chinese to be lost? What can be done about it?
NOTHING.
Trump only has limited power as President. For example, the US President cannot declare war. Only the US Congress can do that. There are many other limits the US President has.
The Communist system is a failed system that continues ONLY IN CHINA, and in NORTH KOREA.
Now the world see's CHINA only as a very large NORTH KOREA.
There is no difference:
1. If you do something the government does not like, you will be "disappeared".
2. There is no law. The government does what it want to you, and you can do nothing legally to stop it.
3. You are seen by the government as only a source of labor. The value you create from your job is taken unfairly by the government.
Think about it. In the entire world, only NORTH KOREA and CHINA have this type of government.
Mr Wang failed to mention that some of the most prominent US families got rich by smuggling opium to China, eg. Roosevelt and Forbes. The accumulation of wealth from the opium trade enabled the industrialization and social overhead capital in 19th century America. Much of the development of Yale, Columbia and Princeton Universities also came from opium money. This is a darker episode of US history that few people know today.
interesting!
Century of humiliation didn't belong to Chinese,it belong to white man who commit tons of evil to Chinese,so it should be white man century of humiliation, white man success was build on stolen loot in the name of Jesus.
This man will definitely make me a smart person. My gifted son like him not as a person but his brain. Amen
By the way, Mr Kishore mentioned that US was generous in contributing money to establish the Qin Hua University. This statement was not quite right. The fact of the matter is that the money did not come from the US but was being channeled from the over-paid compensation from the payout to compensate for the killings of Christian missionaries by the Boxer Rebellion which was supported by the Qin Government and was crushed down by the Western allies whose missionaries were killed. The over-payment was found out by Chinese overseas students who were studying at that time in the US and they petitioned the US Government to have the money returned to the impoverish China. The then US president Teddy Roosevelt who rightly decided to pump the excess money to establish the Qin Hua University instead of returning it to the corrupt Qin Government.
drug addiction will do any country in, that is why Filipinos 95% love and support President Duterte, he fought drugs and won, saving us all, especially the youth...if not for Duterte, we would be an addicted nation by now...God bless the man.
Well his potty mouth and middle finger certainly does wonders silencing EU, Obama, the Pope and the likes... kudos... lol
@@honeymantra510 He's an old man and he just came to the point in his life that he doesn't suffer fools. He doesn't have the time to pay lip service and he found being blunt does wonders.
He actually admitted in his past speeches that being crass and using epithets is designed to make the US take notice on what he is saying. The US-Philippines relationship had long been a very unequal relationship, a sort of a master and servile ally thing. He wants to emphasize that that is no more...at least, during his administration.
Yes indeed, we are very happy for the philipinos that they have such a leader who truly does not fawn on any big powers but stood up for his own country.
What's the role of America in the drug business?
Agree more with you
A very interesting and important discourse to understanding China today . Hopefully the west can reset the negative attitudes towards the Chinese way of managing its own country. China will never be like the West .
Actually not because there don't understand China is because China will domanate western economy and military power as well. The history change from west back to China again. Talk about mobile market don't talk individual talk how many brands China, South Korea, Japan, Us & Western countries. China already take over whole world market by combine all China brand. Talk about Bullet Train don't said top speed but China also the world Top Speed Bullet Train. Top 10 world fastest train China already take how many? Talk about Electric Vehicle I dear not said China number one but China got few company doing EV even Biden also said Us need to catch-up with China. Talk about 5G and now China testing 6G. China ahead all countries in internet. Talk about Space Explore. Now day many news talk about China sending so many rocket into space recently especially this year and No others countries send so many rocket recently. I not said China space explore very successful but China build it own Space Station and Us share with others countries. Talk about infrastructure, recently China do a lot Mega Projects not only in China, over many others countries especially third countries that's western media never ever reports not just Belt Road. Talk about military upgrade recently China increase many Navy ship and counting, stealth fighter, jet fighter, missile and etc. That's why Us dear not attack China. I not said China 100% win if Us win Us also lost terrible as well and very hard too recover. Talk about Digital Currency, China are the first introduced paper money and now China take the first lead into Digital Currency. Now many countries and western countries also consider DC and so third countries already start.
Now China battling chips and let see how China can succeed or not?
Don't forget above all back in 30 to 40yrs ago China are poor and technology are very very very back. China catching up fast till western and japan affraid China become economy first and military first in the world.
@@aldmanufacturingsb9818 ,copying everything from the west.
@@flo7717 yup, copying all that 5G and AI technology
Don't bet on it! All they wanted to do is to stop China from doing it!
@@flo7717 no kid, is the world copying from China. Go do some homework on this you might learn something today…… search what China has invented back in the days….
When the Manchus rule China after the fall of Ming dynasty, the Han Chinese were sidelined. The Manchus deliberately not to develop other provinces as to fear that their dynasty will be overthrown if the Hans in other provinces are prosperous. China stop to progress for almost 300 years. Thus, there were mistrust between the majority of the Hans and the ruling Manchus. China unable to resist foreign humiliation and invasion as the Manchus failed to gain the support and trust from the majority Han Chinese. If China is managed by the Han Chinese, no matter which governing system is adopted, the country will be prosperous and advanced, as the psyche of the Han Chinese is trade and harmony in relationship. The Hans dislike war, want to enjoy good life. Even the Han Chinese is strong, they dont colonize, but ask for tributes to protect those smaller nations and in return enjoying the trade business that benefit both sides.
Then why the military parades, like Hitler and Stalin?
You hit the nail right on the head !!!!
Taiwan is manage by Hans.
@@pedadaking Yes, in fact, you're speaking of Hans Gruber from Die Hard.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Gruber
@@petersinclair3997 learning from west?
Freeman also suggested that the U.S. needs to "cooperate with China to reform global governance and address global problems of common concern like the mitigation of environmental degradation, pandemics, nuclear proliferation, global economic and financial instability, global poverty, and standards for new technologies." 🇲🇳🇲🇳🇲🇳
The West could only attribute China's progress to cheap labor and stealing of technology. What they didn't realise was China was their best student. Mao admired the development and wealth he saw in US and wanted China to learn from the US. When Nixon came to visit him and proposed both countries working together, he saw the opportunity for China to learn from US. So, he opened China and the learning process began. China became the West's best student. Not only that, China knew not everything from the West was good. So, she selected what was good for her and rejected what she deemed bad. She applied what was good and reformed and slowly became what she is today... better than her teacher. China became what she is today because she is a good student, not from cheap labour or stealing technologies. Only China-haters would say such thing.
Interesting. So what is "became what she is today"?
China is number one at:
* stealing
* corruption
* never keep promises
* "disappear" enemies
* hide any truth not favoring government
* take away freedom
* replace freedom with fear
The CCP families are getting rich without working.
You continue to work hoping one day to get rich.
You never say anything bad about the CCP because of fear. Good little sheep.
Why is it that China college graduates with the same job as other nations only make 1/6 the salary? The 5/6 value of your work going to the CCP.
Answer:
* stealing
* corruption
* never keep promises
* "disappear" enemies
* hide any truth not favoring government
* take away freedom
* replace freedom with fear
@@_SamUSA_ china is slated to become the biggest economy in the world baby belt and road😎
Totally correct Asian.
However, it learnt one bad thing and missed out on learning one good thing.
The good rhing it missed out was that people are not animals to be driven like herds. They have enotions and desire to decide for themselves. The impact of not learning this will break China apart , sooner or later
One bad thing it learnt is from American history. Its utterly racist and inhuman behaviour with the American natives in 16th-18th century. Something US has acknowledged as wrongdul but CCP wants China to take as its ideal in 21st century. Something that is making China the universally detested country.
Cut off all those BS and lies. Being a good student is not an important factor to be success.
It was Kissinger and Wall Street who enabled China success.
WGW,: What about the Chinese Exclusion Act and the massacre of chinese in the US?
Just look at how successful big countries such as the Chinese, the Indians and the American handle the COVID-19 pandemic crisis.....
The American doesn't give a shit about which society is good or bad since most didn't travel. Just give them a few Coke or sniff and so long they are high is what matters.
Agree
To me there are three major black marks on America's relationship with the China - the US's discrimination against Chinese immigrants, the participation of Yankee merchants in the opium trade, and arguably the US military support leant to the Eight Country Alliance in the Boxer Rebellion, although the latter case is a bit questionable, as Westerners were being threatened inside China. I'd love it if I were abroad and people were starting to threaten me and suddenly the GI's came parachuting down. In China itself, I didn't sense much hostility against me as an American, as people were just too curious,. But one thing I found disturbing was how vicious the official story was about the US. The US was the one who started the opium wars and repressed the Boxer Rebellion, not the British, for whom there was a strange respect and even affection among more educated people. One person told me that Americans after WWII were worse than the Japanese.
Let's think about this. Concentration camps, medical experiments, mass slaughter, and curfews are a pretty tall order to match for only a few thousand ground troops and military advisors. It never occurred to people that the US aided the Chinese with arms, funding, and advice during their struggle with the Japanese, that the US had to unlock the secrets of the universe and invent a totally new type of weapon to defeat them, and that plenty of Americans in the Pacific died or suffered horribly. Not only this, but American missionaries (hiss! boo!) seemed to be different from the Europeans in their more practical take on things. Whereas most Europeans wanted just to save souls, Americans went out to teach science, higene, basic economics, agriculture, pest control. These were practical things that would improve the lives of ordinary people. I strongly suspect that Mao Zedong, having dealt with American missionaries in Guanghzou, learned a lot of his public education tactics from them. While the US did not entirely deal with the KMT competently, how could they? I doubt that at that time a lot of people knew what was going on. And when the KMT fled to Taiwan under American supervision, after a few decades of military dicatorship, Chinese built something that had never existed before in their history - a democracy.
I guess the closest thing to the truth is the exact opposite of what the CCP says. America is evil, but in reality Americans made huge contributions to China's development, and when it counted China's enemies were America's as well. And all these things were being said at a time when China was opening up to the world and enriching itself. Mostly by selling things to Americans and learning from them again.
I believe China and the US are a case of opposites attracting - the extreme West and the extreme East. But our shared optimism, pragmatism, and work ethic make us natural friends. Let's not let the opinions of the corrupt, overweight, dead-eyed chainsmokers who run the country convince us otherwise.
Only 1 century of humilation ? We have had a millenia of humiliation
stop deleting the truths that i posted . Be brave & face the truths
the unresolvable conflict is: under globalization, today's American workforce is just too expensive and unproductive compared to the Chinese workforce, yet they are consuming way too much resources than the Chinese and everyone else in the world. For that, even if both China and Russia go under, America will continue to fight EU and maybe later India, just to maintain this inequality in this world.
@@Kemetyu-Centered36 very misleading productivity numbers without considering the cost. An average American clinic doctor sees 20 patients a day, while his Chinese peer will see 40 patients a day. At the same time, he's making 10 times the salary. On GDP numbers, he's 10 times more productive than his Chinese peer.
I recommend you to watch 2019 documentary "american factory" to get a real sense of productivity gap.
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US came in late in the colonization game than those fm UK & Europe in Asia for US were nearly colonized by their own cousin, the British if not for fate has its ways in the independence war of 1775. As such, a period of love hate between the 3-CCP, the Khumingtang & US of which US sided till Nixon changed side in 1976. US knew all along Taiwan is too small a nation to produce “A-Z” goods for the huge US consumer markets however not on the semiconductor side of which TSMC of Taiwan has an edge. Thus-wise US has to decide-on one hand recognizing there’s only one China & on the other keeping Taiwan under its armpit when the need arises such as this present moment.
This “tech-chip tussle wins all” of whom will reign supremacy I believe will be a major deciding factor in the shift of geopolitics of every nations. Who’s the valor & the vanquish only time will tell. The unfolding ploy is getting thicker & interesting by the day. For US has made her 1st move by arousing the G7 on a collective moved against China & for China in response…? Russia is a “Jocker” in this poker game of two. Who has it, China or US wins the game. Knowingly well, Putin is taking this advantage, 1st & foremost to win back its former states previously under USSR. I foresee Ukraine will lead the way. On US lifting the sanctioning of Nord stream 2 is a win for Putin.
3:09 many first generation leaders of the communist party of china, including zhou enlai, deng xiaoping, were oversea student in France.
and USA was geographically much easier to get to by sea for chinese in that time, compares to europe by multiple sea and land routes overlay.
USA came late to party of western colonial countries trying to carve up china, it has to find other ways to establish foothold and influence in china, so it presented a more acceptable diplomatic stance to then qing government, even though it is more openly racist back home in USA towards chinese. the infamous "Chinese Exclusion Act", remember?
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U understan !
right winged conservative who helped to destroy Nantah
He's an engrish chauvinist. I wonder where did he learn the history of China from? Roosevelt? Morgan? Or raffles?
nantah is not compatible with singaporean society.
@@philipjh6789 Oh? How's that so? Because Singapore is an engrish chauvinist country?
@@neolan2565 yes because most singaporeans are far more predisposed to english than to chinese. even if the government did not close nantah, it would have died of a natural death.
@@philipjh6789 Good that you admitted to Singapore been an engrish chauvinist country.
China needs to rename the 'Centurty of Humiliation " as perhaps 'The Century of Sleeping" but that demands taking responsibility instead of blaming (victim) which iis a far better narrative to use because they can then do something about it.
Don’t think China was playing the victim, 8 nation’s allies n Japan did invade China n killed millions. Nice try!
@@leslieloong1842 You missed the point. That was then, this is now. How we frame the hundred years will psychologically affect young people and future generations as well as the present generstion. You obviously have no understanding that perception defines reality.
They have certainly took responsibility… learn from the strong, weed out corruption ..
If you understand Chinese language, you will understand why is was translated as humiliation. ‘Sleeping’ won’t cut it in the Chinese language. Moreover, if you see the activities that happened during that period , it was indeed acts of humiliation towards the Chinese people. Maybe the foreign powers knew what triggers the Chinese psychologically which is to humiliate. If you see Chinese / Asian society today.. there is a great deal about ‘not losing face’.
There was a sign in one of the parks of the British-French concessions in Shanghai saying “no Chinese and dogs allowed”. Imagine a foreign power invaded your country, killed thousands of your people, took all of your government’s money so they can’t defend themselves, forced drugs on your people, then put up a sign like this in your local park. Would you be content by saying your country was just “sleeping”? 🙄
I hope the Olympics does not open the door to new variant of Covid19
Prof Wang is an internationally lauded scholar who started his distinguished academic career in Singapore and Malaysia
NOW the shameless kishore is on a promotion spree of the humiliation century. Pure jealousies . India suffered far worst fate BUT YOU WONT HEAR HIM SAY A WORD ABOUT THE INDIAN HUMILIATION CENTURY
Indians still want to leak the boots of the West.
Many Indians still look up to their former white masters and seem to have forgotten, or still in denial, about their own century of humiliation. India is still cosying up to US and the West despite being left for dead during India's second Covid-19 wave when US blocked vaccine raw materials and patents to India. Why blame Prof Kishore? What's your problem? Why can't you respect his rights and freedom to choose his own topics while allowing others (not just Indians) their freedom and rights to discuss on Indian history, if they want too?
You are insane or prejudice. This is current hot topic being discussed in China. Prof Kishore is very pro China proponent Asian Century.
It is upto the Indians to first acknowledge that. Then only someone else can discuss it. India is still part of the commonwealth countries, plays cricket, values English language and aspires to migrate to England, US, Australia or Canada. Where is the sadness at being humiliated ?
@Mr.Beant You can find some escape route to hide from your guilt or accept the truth. Indians were and still are collaborators with Western imperialism. Self matters most, family to some extent, rest can take a hike. That's the policy
Kishore kept harping about fellow Asian's humiliation and he has no BALLS to even mention a word about those western criminals , poor thing, want to guess what is his ulterior motives ?
We rather be under the Americans than the Chinese. Stop this propaganda of the cines please
Oh we know how indians love their british masters, until today. I was told it's called suffering from Stockholm syndrome. Pathetic.
Who cares who is above you? lmao
GREAT HUMILIATION THAT THE GREAT INDIAN CIVILISATION PREFERS TO BE A FOOTRAG BENEATH THE MUDDY FEET OF FOREIGNERS!!!
But but but d Chinese don’t want to step on u !
So sad you have such a mentality.
After spleeping with white women now yellow skin women