Wang Gungwu on India-China relations
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- Опубліковано 15 чер 2021
- An excerpt from Wang Gungwu’s interview with Kishore Mahbubani in US-China Relations: Past, Present and Future, a MOOC on the edX platform.
In this excerpt, Wang Gungwu talks about the long history of peace between the Chinese and Indian civilizations.
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It’s never China n India border ... but India n Tibet border
True..!
@@shreejesh5461 if you can let New Delhi free, every problem solve. Also it is never China India problem, please let New Delhi free
@@celine7511 You came from Alice in Wonderland..! Poda muttal..!
@Soldat a/s You mean Tibet is occupied part of China..!
@Soldat a/s Tibet is a country and it is true that China occupied Tibet..!
The Chinese & Indian civilizations have been around thousands of years, contributing so much to the world. If only both countries can reflect on their rich historical past to overcome their adversarial politics for the betterment of both nations.
Wait I saw you talking about the Turkish Lira
More like India, Tibet and china next to great wall of China!
That will happen only after India becomes a big enough economy to rival China. Only after balance of power is established, will the narratives change.
@A Rishiri cheap consumer goods.
@A Rishiri Wuhan vir@s
Two wise men . Both are good teachers.
two CCP stooge
@@student1140 thinking you are smart? Aye, what meaningful thing you got to say other than name calling?
But for you let's assume they are CCP, but can you counter their reasoning? Can you actually come up with strong counter arguments to prove them wrong?
@@student1140 can I call you RSS stooge ?😂😂
I am really glad to listen to the speech from someone very wise!
There was a war in 648 CE that lasted 3 days.
What happened was that the King of Maghda sent a diplomatic envoy with tribute to Tang China. And in return, Wang Xuance was sent with lavish gifts carried by the 30 men envoy to return the favour. However, before Wang reach the Maghda King, the King had died and the throne seized by the pretender who then went on the seized the gifts.
Wang escaped to Tibet and then returned with Tibetan infantry and Nepali cavalry to punish the affront. It was a quick and decisive war that lasted three days. And the pretender was duly dealt with.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wang_Xuance
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arunasva
Once the Chinese were offended by South Indian king based in Northern Sri Lanka. Then a chinese explorer by the named Zheng He came there and kidnapped the king.
Your story is half truth, there was no war between magadh and tang and wang xuance was just another traveller to India and this arunasva story was indias internal matter and a small issue between rivaling family members and has nothing to do with tang or Wang xuance himself
@@ashutoshanand1573
Interesting.
According to whose account are you referring from?
From my readings, Zheng He attacked one of the local ruler who plotted to launch a surprise attack against Admiral Zheng's treasure fleet in order to plunder the treasures on-board. That ruler also schemed against another local ruler who was friendly with Ming China.
That's my understanding from reading several different accounts.
the chinese tresspassed so many kingdoms like nepal,tibet, Up and others in between ?
Lol cchinese fantasy --nobody in the world believes that trash
@@Chongmolangma chinese fantasy ? Who in the world believes that account?
It makes no sense to have a friend who is geographically away from you and have a next door neighbor as an enemy. India and China are old civilizations. Both must address each others concerns and issues and put to rest the 60 year enmity. We had friendly relations for centuries, don't let the last 60 years define our future.
I agree.....
Spot on bro
Agree
Right but china should also concerned about there expansion policies..it is threat for india in future
It again the the basic law of Global Hegemony
Wish we could have the full interview with Wang Gungwu. However this short one was very informative. Thank you.
The British left a big mess for India and China.
What else is new. The Brits were making trouble then and are still making trouble now.
If you see two fish fighting in water, you can be sure an Englishman passed by five minutes ago
If brits wouldn't have colonized south asia there wouldn't have been any country called republic of India. Instead their would be independent nations like tamil nation, punjab nation, bengal nation, maratha nation etc just like it was for thousands of years.
@@dhawalyerne2570 and for thousands of yrs you did very well
@@dhawalyerne2570 and maybe that would have been good .. the conflict of india and China is the result of annexation of Tibet.
British didn't impose on newly independent states, they were free to decide their new borders. Burma and Pakistan realigned it with China, only India insisted on claiming British imperial line, even areas where Brits never controlled. It's entirely India's own decision.
Well explained. In 1950s things started to change rapidly.
Make Asia Great Again🇮🇳🇨🇳🇵🇰🇻🇳🇯🇵🇰🇷❤🔥
Remove Islamic country out of group.
Remove east Asian nations 😁
Don't include 🇵🇰 here.they don't called themselves Asian... They are Islamist first...
They are the leader of muslim umma..
Include 🇵🇰 and we are no longer interested 🇮🇳
Including Pakistan means including terr ()!sm.
Chinese civilisation and thoughts are very much indebted by the transmission of Mahayana Buddhism from India since the 1st century. Indian Buddhist scholar monks were well sought by the Chinese emperors to transmit their wisdom in order to strengthen their empires. Now China preserved many of the translated scriptures that the original Sanskrit version were already lost.
The best system is one which is constantly evolving and adapting to the challenges of tomorrow.
Buddhism is not from India, but Nepal!
@@hejiaxu7660 Passive buddhism is not the answer to every problem or a simplistic solution to the complexity of life.
We need a hybrid of solutions and philosophies to deal with the dynamic challenges in life.
@@mindtwister1984 I just say Buddhism have nothing to do with India
@@hejiaxu7660
I agree with you, that it originated from Nepal. But I just want to share my opinion about the limitations of these overly rated philosophies.
Very disappointed that the full interview is not shown here. The British had left a deliberate mess wherever they were ruling so that, as they calculated, they would be called or meddled if there was any dispute. Now, we have become pawns or victims to their game. So we will be always divided.
Must sort out differences and stand together strong for the asian century
@@ahkoy973 Yeah that will happen only when China abandons Pakistan and stops killing Indian soldiers.
Victim to their game.. Tibet and China had been separate for centuries before British came.
You seem like an irrational person who goes by his own beliefs and biases than considering all the facts and reality on ground.
China has been attacking and encroaching Indian territory for decades now.
Comments like yours reveal why india is a low iq country.
To get to reality, you have to get to all the facts and figures with a detached and neutral mind ...only then can a real analysis be carried out.
Not between China and India. Our conflict is recent like 60 years, and it's because China has been cocky with us and claiming many of our strategic locations as theirs.
@@perseusvlasov367 True. Mao engineered that rift.
This openness of Hindu way of life which gave birth to Buddhism, helped thrive Sikhism, ideas of Jain Mahavira, tried to understand the tenets in Abrahamic religions, this openness needs to be celebrated, this outlook would make us prosperous and the next US of A. But we are trying to destroy this today in India. Rejuvenation of Cultural consciousness can be aimed for, but it doesn't mean we become close minded.
Do you think Zeus is Indra? Harappans to my intuition and many scholarly comments look to Matriarchal & Agricultural Atheists: named Lokayata & Charvaka later..
Politics has destroyed it ....
Previous government destroyed it , this government murdered it.
People of USA comes under Jewish Christian identify and most of the people follow same faith also language and ethnicity is similar if you compare india nothing is similar products, significant portion of people do not come under India's dharmic faith and also opposed it both countries are different can't compare
Can anybody put the complete interview here? Can't bear not to listen to the whole.
Let us don't forget the year 1911, the British behind the scene agreement with Russia to recognize Mongolia independence from China in exchange for the recognition of the McMahon line from Russia. At the same time the British did tried to create an independent Tibet so as to defence theirs interest. Today you can see that part of history in Mongolia education in which Russian is taught as their second language and Mongolia script no longer using the traditional as theirs counter part in China.
‘The border issue is the “only” issue between India and China’...ok..but as far issues go it is a pretty big one..one enough to cause wars and bloodshed ..so even in the absence of other issues..the border issue is right up there particularly when viewed from a standpoint of probability of causing conflict and eventually leading in a failure of the relationship to mature into a partnership..
Book he mentioned.
The British invasion of Tibet in 1904 is one of the strangest events in British imperial history. Planned by Lord Curzon as a strategic move in the Great Game, the incursion was in fact ill-conceived and inspired by only the weakest of motivations. Led by the soldier, explorer, and mystic Francis Younghusband, the mission-doomed from the very beginning-became caught in political cross-fire and the distant and destructive machinations of China and England and ended in ignominy and disappointment. Peter Fleming's Bayonets to Lhasa is a gripping depiction of this unusual chain of events, its charismatic protagonists, and the repercussions that continue to be felt throughout the region.
Bear in mind , when that happened.... China was weak and being bullied by the several other greedy nations combining forces to control China to enrich themselves.
British Empire, separate and rule
is the problem
@bimal sarma China wanted to protect its oil rout in the ocean, that has nothign to do with India, unless India wants to stop Chinese Oil inport, as Xi stated, if anyone wants to deny Chinese peoples rights for development and core interests, we will try all means to defeat the enamy, but again my friend, thats game for the politians, we both common people have no ill throughts toward our Indian neighbor, in fact, we love Indian culture, food and, Indian movies~peace my friend
@bimal sarma well, what can we do then, i think we should run for presidency and change that? China, India, and all other countries, trying to get the most out of the current situation for themselves, thats just sad but sad truth, i truly hope we can have a better future together, such two great civilazations and fantastic cultures both of our nations
Not between China and India. Our conflict is recent like 60 years, and it's because China has been cocky with us and claiming many of our strategic locations as theirs.
oh so, it's the US provoking the chinese to attack and kill indian soldiers? There have been hundreds of clashes in past decades itself, all of them provoked by chinese encroachment.
oh china, you so holy! West has it's agenda against India - but that's overt whereas china is a completely militarily oriented against India. Which western country has had any military action against India in past 4 decades? None... while china itself encroaches our land every year and then even engages in military confrontation.
neither China nor west are India's friends. For common interests we can ally with the west temporarily.,
Dont be blind. Accept all realities
@bimal sarma isnt it the India's forward policy that lead the war between China and India in the 60s? and for the recent event, based on the videos released, Indians crossed the river, which is the ALC, whos to blame? you talk about patritism, which nither countries lack, that i can assure you, and China is not afraid of threats, we are born with threats from the west, all im saying, yes, i get your point, you feel hurt, you think china did many things not to your liking, some are true, some are just your gorvernments propoganda, but we as people should not hate each other, i feel so much hatred toward Chinese and Chinese government system, you dont even know how we run our country and you have no right to tell us how to run our country, just like china never wanted to export its system, we respect other country can choose their own way. and we dont interfere with their internal affairs. peace my friend
It's very unfortunate that the boarder has created so much animosity between the two otherwise friendly nations.
A great master from china explaining the peaceful relations India had with china for almost 2000 years, which was spoilt by east india company (British). Now we Indians and Chinese needs to get back to our roots and establish a greater friendship based on trust, exchange of ideas and keep all the western powers at distance.
yes : ) And perhaps now it's time for Asia to get more independent by standing firm its own grounds. I really respect India for not bowing down to NATO pressures on the Ukraine issue.
I hope whole world cooperate with each other and move on the way to peace and spirituality soon
i wish we have peace soon, west just want us to fight to slow down our growth
oh so, it's the US provoking the chinese to attack and kill indian soldiers? There have been hundreds of clashes in past decades itself, all of them provoked by chinese encroachment.
of china, you so holy! West has it's agenda against India - but that's overt whereas china is a complete military oriented against India. Which western country has had any military action against India in past 4 decades? None... while china itself encroaches our land every year and then even engages in military confrontation.
neither China nor west are India's friends. For common interests we can ally with the west temporarily.,
Dont be blind. Accept all realities
*It's too sad that even after having years of Peace, Common Culture, Social Values; Politicians, Greed and British came out victorious....*
Very well articulated. 👏
What an alert and well informed mind!
He speaks so softly my iPhone couldn’t go any lauder. Siri couldn’t help either.
Neither could my mighty android phone.
You have to accept reality, don't stuck in the past and overlook a major enemy that is trying to take Every step so that your nation won't become a superpower in the future.
Singapore is Asian Capital..The oldest Civilizations India and China meets there.
British and US are troubled. India should stop listening to the West. It's like Hong Kong, British left with lawless for HK. I think India and China should come together to the border and each should get half and half whatever unsettle land and call it the day.
India and China could work together if China gave up its expansionism atleast on Indian front and return occupied Indian lands. That would not only end hostilities with Chinese but it will cripple any and all anti China narratives and elements in India as the public opinion would dramatically shift form being anti - China to neutral and we may as well see the economic integration of both nations as India as per my knowledge is very keen to trade with China.
However, this is nearly a wet dream because CCP wouldn’t change or give up occupied India lands
oh so, it's the US provoking the chinese to attack and kill indian soldiers? There have been hundreds of clashes in past decades itself, all of them provoked by chinese encroachment.
of china, you so holy! West has it's agenda against India - but that's overt whereas china is a complete military oriented against India. Which western country has had any military action against India in past 4 decades? None... while china itself encroaches our land every year and then even engages in military confrontation.
neither China nor west are India's friends. For common interests we can ally with the west temporarily.,
Dont be blind. Accept all realities
It's interesting to know how the British suited different policies regarding other nation's territory to different geopolitical interests of its own at the time of these policy making. A bit of history does open eyes to what's really driving these decisions instead of pure ideology.
Yes indeed. Its a similar mess they left in Hongkong. If you see from that context, you will see roots of many Asian and African problems
@@jitendrabijlani2188 true, it's also shows that most of these guys are too emotional and can't look beyond their own biases. Below, my arguments:
oh so, it's the US provoking the chinese to attack and kill indian soldiers? There have been hundreds of clashes in past decades itself, all of them provoked by chinese encroachment.
oh china, you so holy! West has it's agenda against India - but that's overt whereas china is a completely militarily oriented against India. Which western country has had any military action against India in past 4 decades? None... while china itself encroaches our land every year and then even engages in military confrontation.
neither China nor west are India's friends. For common interests we can ally with the west temporarily.,
Dont be blind. Accept all realities
@student 11 How to achieve self reliance and confidence with/without temporary allies, is a question all Indians will face in this and next generation. You will not have permanent friends neither permanent enemies.. but how to make best use of the situation, still lies on internal strength. And nobody else will give you template to create internal strength. What is the solution there ?
Great professor
What an amazing video over India and China relationship ,I had ever seen
Now INDIA understands that Peace comes through power
No, it doesn’t. It comes from a love relationship based on trust and communication, using the word power is a threat to India and China and therefore your statement isn’t accurate BECAUSE you used the word POWER against India. Why does only India need to understand power? We are not weak, only meddlers need to understand power
The present situation between India and China is unfortunate. Hope cooler heads prevail on both sides.
China building infrastructure projects in Pakistan occupied Kashmir unacceptable
China itself occupying ladak territories of India even that's not enough thy want arunachal pradesh too
It's always china , who's hungry for more land
It's only bcz usa join hands with those who have conflicts with china , china showing little interest in peace talks .
Just buying time to escalate,where goes 100+ rounds of talks without anything changes in reality.
@@_-_-_-TRESPASSER it's India's perspective bro ....I really wish to hear the Chinese perspective though.... Keep in mind we are always not right
@@rubedo916was it u.s that attack them ? NO it them
@@rubedo916ever heard of salami slicing technique?
Kishore is looking at this guy and probably thinking that is not what I asked you to talk about.
India and China should solve the borders issue diplomatic way . Don’t let the west play dirt with this long neighborhood.
Absolutely Agree.Support from Indians
Bro many a time in past by india did and china cheats everytime...
Chinese and Indian wisdoms are unique, and it cannot be compared with western way of thinking short term. I am sure borders can be solved. China has to play more magnanimous role now as bigger brother
@@s.s.n9285 this disputed issue is left behind from British colony .
border issue could simply be solved if China just hand over Aksai chin to India back which they capture illegally in 1962 and then china and India should sign treaty to pull their armies back and no one will intervene in others territory and then also India will offically recognise tibet as part of china and china will consider Arunachal as part of India and will never claim it again and thus all our problems will be gone.If china gives up its expansionist behaviour and give back terretories illegally claimed then china would be uplifted in everyone s eyes and could become real superpower.Just china had to give up some greeds and It will be at its best even from west.
You tube search Wang Gungwu interview , for Full interview
Buddhism is great.
If India And China Unite, Big Trouble In World , 1/3 World Population No Need People, Plenty Power Nehama, Woh Eini ♥️😁💪
Thats why western powers try to divide them.
@bimal sarma stop believing the lies... you're falling for their propaganda and you don't realise it... very unfortunate
@bimal sarma ok carry on believing the lies...
@bimal sarma too many to list...more importantly, my point is there's no point just in blaming... one needs to cooperate and sort out differences... there's more to gain if both countries stand strong together as neighbours and iron out disputes. Both countries were invaded, colonised and oppressed not so long ago. Lets not fall into the same trap.
I can guarantee you once the west don't need you they will drop you like a hot potato.
Thats why I want to make people open their eyes.🙏🙏
@bimal sarma I cannot get the point of your hypothesis example. U think Taiwan needs Indian nuclear armament? Based on Indian army and armament performance, whose airforce bombs their own land force, Taiwan will be fear of Indian nuclear armament as well as China mainland. LOL.
Set Tibet free then China n India ll net face such problem
Set New Delhi free, then all problem solve.
The nost important reason why for 2000 years is that Tibet was between India and China, and the 2 never shared a boundary toll 1950 when Tibet was taken over and subdued by China.
China + India + Russia then RIP world
You can always count on the POHMS to mess it up !! They made it a habit !! Hope we can settle these disputes quickly and focus on making each other rich instead !!
Will we be getting the full feature length video of this discussion?
Hope our relations get better.(imperialism 😔😔divided us so bad.)
the british destroyed and divided india , we were destoyed coz of islmaic invaders we lost almost 1000 years in that time europe went aheah in tech , they had better weapons everything better . that's why they won and we lost
Land hungry attitude, salami slice policy got nothing to do with colonialism r Brits
Its China's arrogance attitude, thy thought thy could bully nations around with its sheer size and new found power
So thought provoking from two of the most influential intellectuals in asia,author of one book Can Asians think? And the other eminent scholar on China n SEA history.please write a book jointly.india was the spiritual paradise when chinese minks went to get tripitaka n study buddhism
oh so, it's the US/West provoking the chinese to attack and kill indian soldiers? There have been hundreds of clashes in past decades itself, all of them provoked by chinese encroachment.
oh china, you so holy! West has it's agenda against India - but that's overt whereas china is a completely militarily oriented against India. Which western country has had any military action against India in past 4 decades? None... while china itself encroaches our land every year and then even engages in military confrontation.
neither China nor west are India's friends. For common interests we can ally with the west temporarily.,
Dont be blind. Accept all realities
India and China have been neighbours for thousands of years. They cannot get along. Singapore is making a very big mistake by bringing more Indians to Singapore. Its like bringing these borders to Singapore. Bad mistakes. Don't believe?
You are racist
Feed a wolf dog food will not change a wolf into a dog. The world especially Americans learnt the hard way if they ever. The chinese has a saying...引狼入室， bring the wolf home hoping it can be domesticated.
The speaker Wang gungwu was born in Indonesia. His English is very good because he went to British or British influenced schools. I don't know if he knows Classical Chinese or read any of those Chinese historical documents and records in Classical Chinese texts because all official records of China was written in Classical Chinese before early 20th century. So, if you are a serious, good Chinese history scholar, you should read Chinese records and documents in classical Chinese texts for primary source. So, I don't know if Wang Gungwu is a Chinese history student of British system or a Chinese history scholar. There's a difference. Not many people can read classical Chinese well because it's different from today's vernacular Chinese. Same texts, but different meaning.
I want this full interview, please anyone can help i will be thankful.
Academic are not free from bias, one is Chinese another one is Indian origin from Singapore…neither of them have stake in Tibet…just as there’s a saying “ History is written by victor“ so goes here too
There wasn’t a problem until Tibet was conquered by the Qing Dynasty in 1700s.
Tibet was illegally occupied by China in 1959. It was a free Country before that. You dont need to go way back to 1700 lol. Before 1959 there were no problem at all between Tibet and India. Than came China to fuck it all up.
@@tenzinthutop Lasting peace will only be possible when Tibet regains independence and becomes neutral, like Switzerland. What is the population percentage of Chinese in Tibet?
@@adm7038 now the han Chinese are being deployed in Tibet to totally eradicate Tibetan culture and make the Tibetans to follow han Chinese culture
3:08 it wasn’t Imperial India. It was British Raj in India, colonized India by an European nation. Chinese are so vocal about injustice done by European nations and Japan on China, but they don’t acknowledge the injustices on other Asian countries.
My favorite Prof Kishore. Who is that other learned gentleman?
Prof Wamg Gungwu. He is the expert in the history of South East Asia and of the Chinese diaspora in South East Asia.
2020 Tang Prize in Sinology was awarded to Professor Wang Gungwu by the Tang Prize Foundation. According to the National University of Singapore, Professor Wang, who is "one of the world's foremost experts on the Chinese diaspora", was granted the prestigious award "in recognition of his trailblazing and dissecting insights on the history of the Chinese world order, overseas Chinese, and Chinese migratory experience"
@@paulmcgrory5165 Thank you Paul n Justin.
@@seanteh7120 he’s originally a Malaysian btw…
@@djtan3313 Nope he was born in Surabaya Indonesia but moved to Malay peninsula
How to find the full conversation?
ua-cam.com/video/p4nQ4pURPPE/v-deo.html
@@cheval63sg Mr Wang is just amazing !!
✨✨✨
The United Asia is the future. Brothers and sisters must unite this time. 🙏🙏
A chinaman that I can actually kinda respect. He doesn’t seem to be anti-Indian and having an angle.
He’s right about india having a huge influence over China as Abhijit Chavda iterated the same thing in one of his podcasts, lots of ideas went to China but hardly any came to India
India, Tibet and China didn’t have this trouble only until the meddling Brit’s came in and meddled in the affairs, worrying about Russia who never even was a threat to India.
So that’s why the Brits lines need to be ignored and maybe go back to the old relationship like in ancient times BUT with NO Brit involvement OR ANY western involvement.
if Asia got together it would be too scared for the West period. The Brits have been playing this sewing conflict game since centuries ago. U really think the Brits couldn't draw maps for shit around the Indian borders? (w/ China Nepal Pakistan etc).
Did the Brits ask Mao to go and invade tibet
Nationalistic countries were new invention.
No, they did so themselves. 😂😂
Make Asia Great Again as it was for centuries..
god, where's the rest of this awesome discussion?
ua-cam.com/video/p4nQ4pURPPE/v-deo.html
Prof. Wang is still very sharp despite his age.
The Golan_Heights, could be:
"used, to: make/create/set -up:
"The (M.K.S.!?)_Chindian_Partnership/Net-work-ing: group""!?-(Potentially).
-M.K.S.
I think, the very disputed area(s); between: China and India, should be: -"used:
instead; to: help both -great:_
Nations, to:
"NET-work; TOgether!!"!!"??
The moderator seems to be nervous to raise the question on the India-China relationship? Just look at his body reaction.
Either coward or a paid stooge or a low IQ idiot or lacks his own perception and convictions
oh so, it's the US provoking the chinese to attack and kill indian soldiers? There have been hundreds of clashes in past decades itself, all of them provoked by chinese encroachment.
oh china, you so holy! West has it's agenda against India - but that's overt whereas china is a completely militarily oriented against India. Which western country has had any military action against India in past 4 decades? None... while china itself encroaches our land every year and then even engages in military confrontation.
neither China nor west are India's friends. For common interests we can ally with the west temporarily.,
Dont be blind. Accept all realities
Tibet and China was never the same. Both are different. Just like Mongol and Hun civilization.
CHINESE INVESTMENTS IN JAFFNA IS ⚘GOOD THING FOR MODERNIZATION OF JAFFNA PENINSULA. CHINESE AS 3RD MINORITIES IN SRILANKA IS GOOD FOR EXISTING MINORITIES. INDIA BACKSTABED SL TAMILS RE. WHEN 40 YRS AGO SL MINORITIES WERE MAKING PLEA FOR HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS. INDIA MAY BE PAYING FOR ITS KARMA.
Apprently China has border issue with 24 countries. And border issue with India and China only started after China occupied Tibet.
but tibet was also autonomous region of china from mongol led Chinese dynasties learn from history its British who created the mess
Our goal is the sea of stars, not the United States, India, or even the earth, the love from China.
Love from china ?
With whom china didn't leave conflicts with?
Mars ? Even Russia thy had conflicts.
Thy have borders disputes atleast with 10+ countries
Still call lov from china 🦖
@@_-_-_-TRESPASSER some idiot( we don't claim him 😂)
No chinese south of kunlun since antiquity. Has been and should be the fact today as well. And that should be indian long term goal.
China accepted McMahon line in case of border with myanmar but not with India. Double standard
I don't think so. Real issue is if India tries to give the land that China wants in east, china which is now Communist sees it like a weakness and extends 😸 its claim based on historical map that we were here first. And India is no push over. India thinks that if i give them the land, china isn't a democracy that we will ever know that Chinese people actually thanked India and want peace with us or they see us weak and worth attacking. There is no free media in China for that. There is a reason why democracies are better at resolving disputes. They have free media. Even the next party can understand the atmosphere inside the nation and what should be done.
This is the Heart within heart of the problem. China is feeling the surge of power and it is getting mad in it. Border dispute will be resolved, but once China Comes to the conclusion that India can't be taken out with a Infinity stone gauntlet.
hahahhaa so the only issue is the border isseu... the way he is telling like is such a small issue
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Mr. Wang, you said India had given a lot to China in ancient times, can you elaborate on what has India given to China besides Buddhism? I sensed you do have a prejudice against China from your last interview with another moderator.
They were trading through sea for hundreds of years before China burned down their ships and closed the country in 1525. I'm sure they exchanged more than Buddhism in those hundreds of years.
The Value of Afterlife is very important. There are many worlds not only planet earth. There are many heavens.
Now Everything is changed....because of aggressive Chinese policy.
Why blame British? They drew the line, but it wasn't officially rectified. Neither did Brits impose on newly independent states; they were free to decide their borders. Burma & Pakistan realigned it with China, only India insisted on claiming British colonial line, even areas which British didn't claim, Askai Chin. It's entirely India's own decision.
Those at the bottom of the caste had no say in the decision I bet
it should be obvious to anyone with commonsense that once the imperial power leaves its colony, the party that it had been in negotiations for years (the Indian National Congress in this case) will take power. Britain did not just decide to walk away and leave India one day. so in that way, the British did exactly what u said it did not do, 'nominate a successor'.
this is what u need to do, boy. 1. read up on the subject that u are commenting on; 2. find some commonsense.
@@brainwashington1332 Indian Independence Act 1947 didn't nominate any successor. Educate yourself.
@@pluto9870 pok is a buffer zone created by the British not the independent choice.
They transferred the British officers to the currently said 'pok' and their officers leased pok to Pakistan.
@@sundramkumar5613 Kashmir was an independent princely state, not a buffer zone. It was split into POK and IOK after Pak-India war in 1947. Brits wasn't involved.
Nearly every conflict you look at ... there is European colonial background to it
A very wise man. Maybe India / China should look back into their historical relationship & renew better relationship for both countries
This Interview is most enlightening for us historians.
To everyone blaming the Britishers, they made a mess with Pakistan, no doubt. But the conflict with China is completely China's fault. How can corona Chyna claim ladakh and arunachal as part of Tibet, when Tibet is not part of China itself.
Delhi is also not belong to India. It should be independent
@@ayushkarn5972 to much consumption of yur own bs.
Btw. When the new Republic of India come into existence? BRUH? India border existed by the British colonial time?
British left sour test east Asia.
There was no CCP 2000 years ago. There is now! That's the difference. Period.
Border conflict ? BRITISH ! Hotel ? TRIVAGO !
why can't both the nations vacate from aksai chin and made it an indo-sino peace zone, refusing the Westphalian notion of territorial integrity for the future of asia. as we know aksai chin is uninhibited.
There was no India before
How can there be border problem with India
Who said there was no *India*?
@@ashutoshanand1573 india came into being in 1947
british formed a politicial entity in south asia which quite different from today;s india.
before 1820s there is only an east india company
@@saikatbhattacharya7912 a typical Colonial inferiority complex.
What was hindustan, bharatvarsha .? Whom the East Asians used to refer using the world Western heaven.? With whom the romans and Egyptians traded.
The British brought the disintegrated but culturally similar indian states in the form of a nation state.
@@ashutoshanand1573 chinese called bengal as meng jia la.
turks called hindustan as something to east of river indus or land of black people. its not political entity like south asians call all whites firinges. there was no india historically.
Everyone is free to feel inferior.
Ram Ram
India and china were not invading each other, historically . Comminist china is the problem.
This professor is really brilliant -- summarized what many haven't managed to do without taking a political stance. I would only add that India's influence began to wane soon after the Islamic conquests of Delhi and north western India (present day Pakistan). The Delhi Sultanate did influence parts of China (i.e. Xinjiang), but did not influence the dominant Han thinking. I would also add that although India was involved with the Opium trade (the Parsis being crucial here), somehow there is no misgivings about this particular blight among the Chinese regarding this particular episode. Goes to say that a lot of actual grievances are not talked about strongly but are driven by politics, and sometimes the truth can be hidden away.
It's about the present vs the past. The present always takes precedence and determines how the past is used. China does not have its sights on India because it is focused on its own development and the confrontation with the US-led West which threatens its development. Chinese nationalism largely ignores India. And anyway, Indian participation in the opium trade was conducted by merchants under the aegis of Western powers intruding upon China. It was not sponsored by the nation state that is India today and the opium problem was solved long ago by Mao.
"Border issue is the only real issue" is a simple take, only considering the borders as what it is. But there is more to borders than just lines. There are geopolitical issues that will play out in the coming decades.
Another thing we should note when considering China as an ancient civilisational state is CCP! That is a big difference. Its uni dimensional when it comes to power.
Someone from outside India talks about contributions of Indian culture to china.But western education inspired / communism inspired politicians and activists are degrading Indian culture…
The comments here show just how uninformed people are about the issue of India-China relations. To make things clear I put together a timeline of how events transpired in the last century evolved to today's situation.
1912: In the first full year of the Republic of China after the fall of the Qing dynasty, the United States National Geographic Magazine dedicated an issue to China. Accompanying the issue is a large and detailed fold-out map of China. The map clearly shows that Dirang Dzong (德讓宗) and Tawang (達旺) are within the boundary of China.
1943: British India likely calculated that dealing with the Lhasa government was easier than with the Republic of China's Nationalist Government in extracting land concessions and proposed to the United States to recognize Tibet's right to exchange diplomatic representatives with other powers. The Americans rejected this proposal:
"The Government of the United States has borne in mind the fact that the Chinese Government has long claimed suzerainty over Tibet and that the Chinese constitution lists Tibet among areas constituting the territory of the Republic of China. This Government has at no time raised a question regarding either of those claims."
1944: British India annexed Dirang Dzong (德讓宗), a Tibetan-settled area. Dzong means fort in Tibetan. The Chinese Government (the Nationalist Government of the Republic of China, seated in Kunming at the time because of World War II) protested to the British. So did the Tibetan Lhasa government.
1945: British India intruded into the tribal area of South Tibet.
February 1947: The Chinese Nationalist Government lodged a complaint with the Indian mission, which was by then newly established in China, on British India's border intrusions into Chinese territory.
August 1947: Britain left South Asia, and India was created as the successor polity to the departed British. India's creation means that a country that historically did not exist suddenly appears on China's doorstep.
October 1947: The Tibetan Lhasa Government dispatched a formal request to New Delhi, asking the newly independent Indian Government to withdraw all its predecessors' intrusions into the territory between the McMahon Line and the traditional border beneath the foothills and return a wide swath of territory from Ladakh to Assam, including Sikkim and the Darjeeling district.
1949: When the defeat of the Nationalist Government's in the Chinese civil war was imminent, the Republic of China's ambassador in New Delhi reminded the Indian Government that China did not recognize the McMahon Line and held the Simla Convention invalid.
October 1949: The CCP (Chinese Communist Party) took control of the mainland, and its civil war rival, the Republic of China, retreated to Taiwan.
December 1949: India recognized the People's Republic of China as the legitimate government, effectively cutting off the diplomatic channel the Republic of China used to deliver its protests to India.
February 1951: India annexed Tawang (達旺), the birthplace of the Sixth Dalai Lama and home to the four-hundred-year-old Tawang Monastery. The Tibetan authorities in Lhasa protested but were simply informed by the Indian political officer that India was taking over Tawang. The Tibetans protested again, accusing the Indian Government of 'seizing as its own what did not belong to it.' The Tibetans went on to ask New Delhi to withdraw its forces from Tawang immediately. The protests were ignored. The Republic of China (which had already retreated to Taiwan by then and had no diplomatic relation with India) also vehemently denounced India's territorial travesty. Curiously the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) made no noise.
1954: India published a new map showing South Tibet as part of India. The map also shows the two countries, Sikkim and Bhutan, as part of India.
January 1959: The CCP (Chinese Communist Party) commented for the first time on the issue of South Tibet when Zhou Enlai, in a letter to Nehru, offered to concede South Tibet to India. However, India rejected the offer, as it also sought control over Aksai Chin.
1960: India started establishing posts (border markers) north of South Tibet (north of the McMahon Line) and proclaiming that it has the right to unilaterally 'improve' the McMahon Line as it sees fit.
October 1962: After years of warning, China attacked India's position in South Tibet and recovered Tawang shortly. Three weeks later, in a second wave, China recovered the whole of South Tibet.
November 1962: China unilaterally withdrew back to the north of the McMahon line.
1975: India annexed Sikkim.
1987: India made South Tibet a state and renamed it the so-called Arunachal Pradesh. The Republic of China (Taiwan) put out a statement denouncing India. Here is the statement:
"In regard to the issue of the Indian government's illegal occupation of our country's territory and the establishment of the so-called 'Arunachal Pradesh,' the foreign ministry of the Republic of China issued the following announcement at midnight: India's illegal occupation of our country's territory has been repeatedly stated by the Government of the Republic of China as something it will not recognize. Recently, the Indian Congress unilaterally passed the establishment of 'Arunachal Pradesh' to the south of the so-called McMahon Line. The Indian Government also made it a state. The Government of the Republic of China once again solemnly proclaims that the Government of India intends to legitimize its illegal occupation of Chinese territory. The Government of the Republic of China regards this as illegal, void, and absolutely not recognized."
2008: A little over a decade after Britain returned Hong Kong to China, Britain finally had no stake in Tibet and could afford to be honest for once. The British government made a statement recognizing China's sovereignty over Tibet (previously recognized as suzerainty, not sovereignty). The statement, supported by both the Conservative and Labour parties, is remarkable for its honesty in admitting that Britain once had territorial ambitions in Tibet, and it adopts an almost apologetic tone. Here is an excerpt:
"...But our position is unusual for one reason of history that has been imported into the present: the anachronism of our formal position on whether Tibet is part of China, and whether in fact we harbour continued designs to see the break-up of China. We do not.
Our ability to get our points across has sometimes been clouded by the position the UK took at the start of the 20th century on the status of Tibet, a position based on the geopolitics of the time. Our recognition of China’s “special position” in Tibet developed from the outdated concept of suzerainty. Some have used this to cast doubt on the aims we are pursuing and to claim that we are denying Chinese sovereignty over a large part of its own territory. We have made clear to the Chinese Government, and publicly, that we do not support Tibetan independence. Like every other EU member state, and the United States, we regard Tibet as part of the People’s Republic of China. "
2014: A Tibetan Chinese named Nido Tania from Arunachal Pradesh (occupied South Tibet) went to old Delhi and was beaten to death because he 'looked Chinese.'
2024: The festering border dispute between India and China persists with no sign of India relinquishing its stolen land.
The British did a great job of leaving mines in their ex-colonies, China - India, India - Pakistan, Israel - Palestine etc.
british never rule mainland china or any western powers
@@stanleysmith3706 it did India, who do u think decided on the McMahon line which is today's dispute?
@Li Anne never said they did, stop being so sensitive ffs
@Li Anne You should read his statement again. And more carefully this time. Notice where the hyphens lie. Do not miss the forest for the trees.
"The British did a great job of leaving mines in their ex-colonies, China - India, India - Pakistan, Israel - Palestine etc."
NOT
The British did a great job of leaving mines in their ex-colonies, China, India, Pakistan, Israel, Palestine etc.
I am from Singapore, I grew up speaking English, u are arrogant, sensitive and stupid. I hope the US bombs China in 70+ days, they are going to accuse China of launching a bioweapon on them, good luck, "Anne".
India continues to behave like a small-minded person with short-term goals.
The fact is the Macmohan line was breached recently and Chinese entered the Indian side, they miscalculated and never expected such a strong Indian response.
They want the strategic part of Tawang so they can control the entire water supply to India, in their past meetings they had even proposed to give aksai chin back to India if India gave them Tawang.
Luckily we have a strong prime minister and they are surprised that inspite of having a much more powerful military, we have an advantage on many fronts. The stand off will only be over once the Chinese agree to go back to their previous positions. The Indian foreign minister has made it clear that relations will not be normal till then
their soldiers are weaklings - they come in heavily armored vehicles. It should be a slaughter fest for indian soldiers - only china has some technological advances like S-400 etc
Kishor Mahboobani seems like a China Sponsered thinker..
without Indian servitude to the empire, the Brit could not inflict huge suffering to China in the Opium War. Also in September 1945, Gen. Douglas Gracey led 20,000 troops of the 20th Indian Division occupied Saigon then gave Vietnam back to French colonialists. While the statues of Slave Masters were knocked down in the US, the statue of queen Vitoria is still beheld in India. It's ok. that's the national choice.
However India teams up with the US & Australia to contain China, the matter now is international.
With this history, it's tough for India demand respect from Asia, especially China.
We don't demand respect from Asia. We make our respect. We don't hate anyone....we just return it.
Don't talk bullshitt logic abot statue of queen Victoria....it's peoples choice and democracy.
It's like Mao's statue in occupied Tibet.
If u watch the Indian diplomats and defence analysts reports ...u should search about it ..india never thought china as an enemy of india ..till 2000 it was first proposed in 2001 by home minister of india that china is real threat not pakistan becoz ...china made good relations with Pakistan selling them weapons ..which is used to inflict terrorism in india ..china making ports in Sri Lanka ..bangladesh mayanmar ...cpec through kashmir ...so do u think india will.consider china as a frnd ..ask ur govt why they are doing this ...
@@GavIsHti when you any country have border conflicts with another country. Both consider each other threats to its sovergin. enemity levels are dependent upon on action of both.
period
@@sitarampradhan8488 it can also b felt when u attack someone behind the back occupy their land and u r worried that they will take the revenge to take it back ..and to counter that u plan to contain other country by circling that country through dept trap of neighbouring country .
Indian soldiers are still inflicting huge suffering on chinese soldiers
To perpetuate Western imperialism through "Divide and Conquer" foreign policies means the US and UK in particular, will want to create conflicts between India and China. The British Empire once planted seeds of discord in colonies and will also want other ex- colonies and many countries to fight against one another too. It's good for US military hegemony globally and boost Western lucrative military businesses.
British didn't impose on newly independent states, they were free to decide their new borders. Burma and Pakistan realigned it with China, only India insisted on claiming British imperial line, even areas where Brits never controlled. It's entirely India's own decision.