He said Humans are just a Vehicle. like that cult back in the late 80s or early 90s said they were Veheicles. causing how many people to commit suicide and picked up by a alien space ship? it was sopposed to take them to the vayer belt of heaven or something like a esculator take them the rest of the way is sick beyond return.
@@gregsanich5183 Do you? If you're a Christian you don't. Does it objectively lower a person's wellbeing? That's all that matters to me. For me, that which is moral is that which increases human happiness and wellbeing and that which is immoral decreases wellbeing. So if you accept how I am using the word morality, then it is objectively immoral. If you don't accept it, and morality is something else to you, then I don't care about morality and all I care about is the wellbeing of thinking beings. There are no ABSOLUTE morals but we can find objective answers once we agree on the goal and understand what morality actually is. It's not a list. It's right or wrong with respect to the goal of human flourishing and wellbeing.
If you think the bible is abhorrent, then why would you even want christians to practice those biblical laws rather than following what their own christian doctrine is? That doesn't make any sense.
@@gregsanich5183 Your error is that you, perhaps inadvertently, constructed a straw man whereby you put forward that anyone is arguing that they want, or would prefer, for Christians to follow biblical tenets.
@@gregsanich5183 Because Christian’s claim the Bible is THE WORD OF GOD, and it’s what instructs their whole life on how to live. They believe it’s DIRECT instruction from god himself and it’s a sin NOT to abide by it. So, if you’re a Christian, and don’t believe in that, then you’re a hypocrite to your own religion and beliefs. You have no right to tell others how to live, under your god’s rule, if you’re not even abiding, nor believing in the very book that your religion claims is holy and the only way to live your earthly life and only path to salvation for your eternal soul. Therefore, if you’re a Christian, you have no foundation to even argue, nor presentation of evidence that there is even a god, if you’re not going to even acknowledge the very words that your faith claims to be from the creator himself.
@@gregsanich5183 The ultimate argument is that they should throw out the book completely. We are saying, “Since you don’t follow the book in its entirety (thank goodness) why follow it at all or even say that you do?”
When I removed the scales from my eyes and stopped believing- I started to watch Christine Hayes lectures on the hebrew bible etc- and watched an old Rabbi give a bible course to his congregation. The hebrew bible now makes more sense to me than calling it an old testament with a christian gloss over it. The bible books are fascinating if you just let each one speak for itself. How did I believe any of this stuff? Peace to all.
I was never a believer, but I was raised Catholic. Christianity and the Bible never made sense to me (hence, why I rejected it) and then I came across her lectures on YT. Truly fascinating stuff!
I think there’s people out there who are simple Normie followers, ….. ….and there those who call to question their own beliefs, perhaps re-align their own perspectives, perhaps even change them. Whether they do or not, I can respect those people. It’s that 1st dum dum that wasted his own precious time. He prefers to join the rest of the zombies who simply follow mindlessly.
Funny bc I have been banned from the live chats for the line, axp, skeptalk, and talk heathen, all for asking questions, but have never been banned from any theists platforms for asking questions, So the evidence appears to demonstrate that we have gotten that trope completely backwards.
@flashbazbo694 sure is. And what part exactly are you finding vague? Those are 4 examples of observable results that empiricaly demonstrate specifically how the trope of it being theists that don't tolerate questions is actualy the the other way around. Believe what you will, but my expirience has only ever been the complete inverse. Mabey someday if I ever wittness any theists doing that, I'll have to re-evaluate thst, but until then, I can only follow the evidence where it leads. Plus it's was certainly more evidence than you provided to support your unsubstantiated claim in the OP
@@gregsanich5183 I call bs. I’ve never seen anyone banned from those shows simply for asking a question. They WILL ban you for asking questions INSTEAD of answering the question THEY already asked of YOU repeatedly, indicating that you’re basically ignoring them and are unwilling to respond to their points.
@gregsanich5183 I didn't "find" your statement vague. It IS vague. I'll fix your next line: "These are 4 examples of words i don't understand, but will use in hopes of appearing intelligent; observable, empirical, demonstrate, and specifically". You made a claim. Period. You didn't provide anything observable, empirical, or specifically demonstrative. I'm guessing the word evidence is on that list as well...
I am late to the party, but I have watched a few of your videos over the past week. Some of your callers are young, some are respectful, and some are neither. I really appreciate how patient you can be with those who deserve your patience. I also appreciate the education I am getting from watching you. You seem to have a wonderful "No Nonsense" approach to these conversations and I find it very refreshing. I have noticed that when a christian is trying to navigate through the lesson you are giving them, it takes alot of repetition for them to see the trail of your logic. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with them even while they fight every step of the way. Maybe some of it will stick and make some kind of dent in the religious world we are stuck in.
20:50, You mean Paula White dident really invoke angles from Africa!!?? Wow am i disappointed and disillusioned. 😅. And Kenneth Copeland didn't blow the wind of God on Covid?? And made it dissappear?? And Pat Robertson didn't see Trump sitting at the right hand and of God!!?? Well that wreaked my faith 😢😅
Callers, the rules for these livestream debates are pretty simple. (Of course, DZ can correct me if I'm inaccurate) The Simple Rules: 1) DZ's livestream, DZ's rules. You absolutely cannot come on here and dictate to DZ what the rules are. 2) DZ will allow you to flesh out your argument as long as: a) You don't interrupt him b) If he asks you a direct question, you give him a direct answer. And DZ reserves the right to interrupt you as often as he sees fit until you give him a direct answer to his direct question. c) Don't do mental gymnastics and be disingenuous.
[1:39] On Mother Teresa: "This returns us to the medieval corruption of the church, which sold indulgences to the rich while preaching hellfire and continence to the poor. MT was not a friend of the poor. She was a friend of poverty. She said that suffering was a gift from God. She spent her life opposing the only known cure for poverty, which is the empowerment of women and the emancipation of them from a livestock version of compulsory reproduction. And she was a friend to the worst of the rich, taking misappropriated money from the atrocious Duvalier family in Haiti (whose rule she praised in return) and from Charles Keating of the Lincoln Savings and Loan. Where did that money, and all the other donations, go? The primitive hospice in Calcutta was as run down when she died as it always had been-she preferred California clinics when she got sick herself-and her order always refused to publish any audit. But we have her own claim that she opened 500 convents in more than a hundred countries, all bearing the name of her own order. Excuse me, but this is modesty and humility?" Christopher Hitchens, SLATE
1:23:17 Sacrifice? Wasn't Jesus forcefully crucified? Giving yourself up voluntarily might be seen as a sacrifice, but being forcefully captured and crucified doesn't count.
@shanehaddix8021 Theists will claim that if Jesus had admitted to not being the Messiah, his life would have been spared, hence sticking to his claim cost him his life. Still not very convincing though IMO. Besides, he came alive again and got to be god for eternity, which is quite the payday.
36 minutes in… It never fails to amaze me when apologists wanna run from the old testament. They wanna discount the 10 Commandments and original sin. Without original sin, you can’t get Jesus folks. Plus Jesus is supposedly God so if God is a prick in the Old Testament, he’s a prick in the New Testament.
Original sin isn't exclusive to theism. The secular arguements for abortion also revolve around original sin aswell. Unless it was grown in a lab, every child ever is guilty of violating a womans bodily autonomy without her consent. A crime that equates to grape and rightly warrants capital punishment without any trial or due process. No such thing as an innocent person.
as far as convinced. justin for got Moses wasn't convinced at all God existed. Moses meating the burning bush on the mount was God speaking saying here I am then Moses believed. We 2000 freaking years later getting f--king leaf to convince us is Mans scaming tricking brains to except thinking they know a God Damned thing or truly blessed by a God Damned God . we are betrayed suffer up to 80 years and die and Jesus was betrayed a week end. 2 days suffering for us is Absurd. Apologist christians still simply ignore . being SDA I new something was way off.
Its fuuny bc when i watch a christian live stream, you see catholics and orthadox christians making all the same arguements about the bible against protestants. Most of the worlds christians totaly agree with athiests that it would be silly and seriously problematic to try and base an entire belief system on the bible, or to hold the bible to be an authority on what christianity is. Its a ridiculous premise and most of the worlds christians would agree. Protestants are always a little more 'out there' with their beliefs so 🤷
I must admit I am pleased to see a lot of these callers seem to be people who are calling out of curiosity and perhaps even simply for the reason to learn something new. Unlike the first caller. Grrr I originally wrote a sour message with regards to these callers, and I diagnosed them wrongfully even before listening to the entire 3 hr clip. My bad.
Love her and how she puts misogynists in their place, but this stream was supremely more bearable to listen to without Hadji's constant distracting interjections in the background while talking and eating Taco Bell
Cognitive dissonance PLUS ignorance with a sprinkle of stupidly, gives you people who say ‘BRO’ every 2nd sentence. And unfortunately, it’s viral. When you catch a guy saying ‘LIKE’ every second word, you end up doing the same and it’s so bloody annoying. And you can’t help it 😂😂
Mother Theresa was a self-aggrandizing cultivator of the suffering of others who enriched herself by trading on her reputation with Haitian dictator Baby Doc.
Justin I was glad to hear you quote Jesus on the word "soon". I've argued many times that the NT could not have been more clear about the imminent return in the lifetime of the authors. The time is at hand, behold I come quickly, little children it is the last hour, the last days, we who are alive and remain, this generation, some standing here shall not taste death, etc. It's all right there. Failed promises.
How many linguistics, hermeneutics, and theology degrees do I need to understand the perfect word of the god who "is not the author of confusion"??? How could there not be just one denomination with Jesus as the high preist??? He "came back before some of his disciples tasted death" right?
50:30 was cold 😂 btw to the caller an ad hominem is when you say the argument is wrong because you’re stupid. Simply saying you’re stupid is not an ad hominem.
Even without leading it on, chatgpt will freely admit that Jesus made a distinction between the oral law and written law. It is a point that it will almost always bring up when asking about The Talmud. It will give you a breakdown of what it is, and then tell you how it relates to Christianity, with that section explaining the distinction. If a chat ai that is literally known to show preference to the religious side of the argument can acknowledge this, it’s kind of crazy that the second debater couldn’t. Especially when you read the verses to him and he claimed it was an argument from silence, literally the opposite of what you did.
So is the critisism of christianity with these biblical arguements suposed to be that you're upset that christians aren't bound to the biblical laws, but you believe they should be? .... even though you feel those biblical laws are abhorrent? Then why would you even want christians to practice those biblical laws instead of following what their own christian doctrine is?
@@MisterRorschach90 @xmillion1704 🤷 mabey, bc what they are saying doesn't make any sense to me. .... but what do I know? Mabey you're right, and christians really aren't doing christianity correctly. But my question would then be, how did you know what the proper way to do christianity was, when the christians themselves, and the church that invented all this stuff in the 1st place didn't know? It may be weird, but I'm gona take their word on it, over yours, only bc they would be the legitimate authority on what they believe, not you. You're like 1 of those nerds, that is all upset that the rules in dungeons and dragons aren't consistent with the fantasy lore originaly established by Tolkien. So enlighten me on why exactly d&d, got it wrong and should have to follow Tolkiens lore on how magic works, instead of their own? Which is pretty funny, except that you're advocating for them to change their beliefs to a doctrine that you yourself find abhorrent. .....that's messed up, and you're right, bc why anyone would argue for that goes over my head all right. 😳
@@gregsanich5183I just want them to be honest and consistent when they say they believe the bible is the inspired word of god or whatever. If what the bible says isn't the proper way, then they should drop the book and admit it's not true in any meaningful way.
@@gregsanich5183 Most Christians don't believe the hero story about Jesus should be in the Bible because it explains what crimes he did and why the punishment was death. The Romans didn't think he would be a sinless death to please God.. Back in as today if you attack a religious person at the temple mound they can demand your death instantly. WWJD
40:28 What is Moses and the prophets? It would be the same it is now to Jews: Torah (Instruction, or Law; also called the Pentateuch), and the writings of the Neviʾim (Prophets). You can see those divisions in a Tanakh for yourself, which will also include the Ketuvim (Writings).
I may be incorrect, but my understanding of mother Theresa is that she tried to help people, yes, but she thought the best way to help people was to help them suffer. It's a warped mindset, but if you think the best way to help someone's soul (which is a figment of your imagination best we can tell) is to help them to suffer as much as possible; are you actually helping anyone? Andrea Yates thought she was helping her children. Have yet to meet anyone who thinks she was good for what she did. But she hasn't been canonized, either. I'm sure if she was the theist opinion of her would change in a heartbeat.
Teresa was also a hypocrite. She thought that OTHER people had to suffer to make them better in their souls, but she got the best medical treatment at the time.
I don't understand the second part of Matthew 5:17 and what fulfill means. The way I understand fulfill is that jesus is here to make sure that people follow the rules of moses isn't it ?
Whenever someone mentions that god is against slavery because he freed the Israelites. Would verses like Leviticus 25:55 or Romans 6:22, where god doesn't really want people to be free and no longer slaves... but instead just under new management.
Why didn't Justin just say to the guy who loves "Jesus"-- that the English letter "J" is from after 1,520 AD, and was not on any Jews' name.and that he didn't fulfill any prophecies, anyways?
@Deconstruction_Zone My apologies-- I get a hold of one live, where you openly stated, "I want to get rid of "Christianity " as the only reason it survives on , is by lying". And the United States openly indoctrinates it's citizens to worship a middle-East terrorist doctrine of death.... I thought you were openly slapping them in the face as it has no foundation to spread the lies it was based on... You did that on multiple times I have watched...Just confused if you're openly partaking in their storybook points, or if you just wanted to show them that it has no foundational grounding in reality.
@Deconstruction_Zone A conversation that points out that "yeshua" is a feminine hebrew noun, that "Jesus" is not in the Codex Sinaticus compiled in 400 AD, and that the letter "J" only existed on anyone's name AFTER 1,520 CE-- are much more straightforward points, IMO
I swear - for all those that have zero imagination or ability to relate to someone’s personal pain - all you have to do is go and watch the brilliant but horrific film - 12 years a slave If that movie doesn’t reform your levels of empathy, or at least reform your attitude towards human trafficking, what can I tell you, you have probably been born with some broken hardware, which we in the modern world call psychopathy. 🤷🏼♂️
Except that empathy is just an emotion. Feelings aren't rational and they certainly aren't evidence. We shouldn't allow our emotions to cloud our judgement or inhibit our clarity when deciding policy and legislation.
@@gregsanich5183 Empathy is NOT an emotion. It’s the ability to understand and respond to the experience of another, which possibly includes feeling their emotions.
@ Empathy is a DIRECT RESPONSE to the emotion you’re feeling. It’s a ‘cousin’ of an emotion. This is what makes you more human. Otherwise we’re simply monkeys fighting over scraps of left over bananas in the trees. We try to live our lives better than that. So can you.
@xmillion1704 wether it's whst someone else is feeling, or how you feel about what they are feeling, feelings are still gona be irrational, ... regeadless of who's they are.
@ No. Nothing irrational about feeling mate. It’s pretty straight forward stuff. By shutting down your emotions, it’s like shutting down your car’s headlights. You’re kinda hoping you don’t hit something. Emotions are what helps you navigate through life, through interacting with people, (which is a complex matter that insists on emotions and how to manage them). These are just intuitive tools that help you man. Otherwise you’re simply a robot. Embrace these things. Just don’t let emotions dominate your intentions. This is pretty elementary stuff 🤣
He made his own version of christianity where he thinks part of the bible is man's word and the things claimed that jesus said is true. So how do you decide what in the bible is by man and what is by god?
Wes huffed is an apologist first and foremost. Wes’s expertise is questionable at best, especially as the majority of his credibility is based on him debunking and dismissing Billy Carson, which is rather simple. He does seem to have a PHD or is studying for one, and it does have some relevance but given his internet persona, the strange and disjointed infographics, and dubiousness of their contents: his expertise should be questioned. I don’t buy his credibility surrounding his own medical condition. 1/3 of people diagnosed with acute transverse myelitis experience a full recovery within a few months of diagnosis: it isn’t a miracle, and just because he claims a doctor called it a miracle first, doesn’t make it one. There are so many Christian miracle healing stories and none of them ever pass the bar.
We all know how easy it is to make the bible say whatever you want just by ripping verses out of context, while claiming the other person is reading it out of context. However, what guys like this can't interpret away is the fact that it was interpreted as condoning and regulating slavery for about 3200 years, and then suddenly, right about the time of the industrial revolution (go figure,) it started being an issue. Why is that? From not even 200 years ago.... _Let the gentleman go to Revelation to learn the decree of God - let him go to the Bible. . . . I said that slavery was sanctioned in the Bible, authorized, regulated, and recognized from Genesis to Revelation. . . . Slavery existed then in the earliest ages, and among the chosen people of God; and in Revelation we are told that it shall exist till the end of time shall come. You find it in the Old and New Testaments - in the prophecies, psalms, and the epistles of Paul; you find it recognized - sanctioned everywhere._ Jefferson Davis US Senate It's not as though he was alone either, given he was the first and only president of the albeit short lived confederacy.Apparently all Christians up until about the mid 1700's were fake Christians. Took a little longer here in the US.
Its fuuny bc when i watch a christian live stream, you see catholics and orthadox christians making all the same arguements about the bible against protestants. Most of the worlds christians totaly agree with athiests that it would be silly and seriously problematic to try and base an entire belief system on the bible, or to hold the bible to be an authority on what christianity is. Its a ridiculous premise and most of the worlds christians would agree. Americans are always a little more 'out there' with their beliefs so 🤷
@@gregsanich5183 So you might as well discard the entire dogma. The biblical canon IS the entire and sole basis for Christianity. How are you going to discount parts of it and have anything meaningful remaining that you can call Christianity? If you pop any part of a balloon, you no longer have a balloon at all. Who are humans to arrogate the authority to determine which parts of the canon (which is the sole instantiation of the Christian god) are meaningful and crucial and which aren’t, in contradiction of the individual (supposed god) for whom the religion is named?
@@gregsanich5183 So you might as well discard the entire dogma. The biblical canon IS the entire and sole basis for Christianity. How are you going to discount parts of it and have anything meaningful remaining that you can call Christianity? If you pop any part of a balloon, you no longer have a balloon at all. Who are humans to arrogate the authority to determine which parts of the canon (which is the sole instantiation of the Christian god) are meaningful and crucial and which aren’t, in contradiction of the individual (supposed god) for whom the religion is named?
@xmillion1704 don't know what you're replying to here, it appears yt took yet another one of my comments down. I sure am grateful we have the yt algorithm to decide what we are allowed to think & talk about for us.
@@gregsanich5183 Not sure what got deleted and I don't see @xmillion1704, but I do see your comment from about 10 hours ago starting with "Its funny bc when i watch a Christian live stream, " Was that the comment, because if so it's still here. With regards to that comment, I've noticed that as well. I mean, there are fanatics wherever you go, but we do seem to have more than our fair share.
Some people don't believe slavery is still condoned today but there's more slaves today than ever before and you could go to Libya today if you wanted to buy a slave. They sell hundreds every week and have no plans of stopping.
42:42....dude is just coping super hard to rationalise their invisible friend. Buddy, you aren't an all knowing, all powerful, infallible god. When you write things, you can make mistakes, a god cannot.
Tbf, they gotta answer the questions and not lie about their book. I've seen enough debates/conversations with dishonest people like the callers that get interrupted to know that's the only way to handle them. The alternative is to either let them lie uninterrupted or to shout over them. And I, and many others, are sick of folks getting to lie and be treated as if their lies are worth respecting.
@@stormburn1 I disagree. Sort of. I agree that the lies are infuriating. But, you must let them tell the lie, _then_ refute it. Once they start reiterating despite refutation, then it's fine to interrupt.
Wow, this was really a video of two halves. The guests in the first half were generally honest and admitted when they were wrong about something the Bible says. But in the second half it was just terrible slave apologist after terrible slave apologist. These people were not even capable of admitting they could be wrong, even when shown to be so over and over again. So dishonest....but for Jesus so I am sure that makes it ok.
I’m so glad u keep using the term “Asinine” when referring to the belief put forth by Christians of believe in me or burn forEVER. I was questioned the other day on my use of the word on the same point. Thanks for what u do Justin! Doug is my Rock!
The caller keeps talking about “paradise”. I wonder if he knows that’s a Persian word coming from the Zoroastrians and they use the word “paradise” to describe their heaven. You can’t make this stuff up 🤣
The analogies that Christian’s give is always the most malformed and poorly constructed. They’re almost instantly refuted in a way that the Christian will agree with or a way that immediately shuts down their analogy. It’s always so predictable.
The caller dinosaur was very annoying in the way he kept making false analogies and when called out on them would condescendingly say “can I finish” in a cringe way. It seems like he is the kind of Xtian that has made religion his whole life and no matter how many facts you bring up to disprove god he will spin it and do anything possible to dismiss everything said to continue holding his belief. It’s very sad to see indoctrination of this scale.
@gregsanich5183 so what? Those morons get all kinds of things wrong that are plain as day. Even though I still don't believe the Bible anymore at this point the only way that it makes sense from beginning to end is with that understanding every other denomination faction teaching understanding has parts that contradict. This is the only way to eliminate most of the contradictions and it becomes plainly obvious once you start to see it then you realize oh s*** it's saying this everywhere
@vtalen If Tolkien is the authentic legitimate authority for what is cannon middle earth, NC he is the one who originally produced it, ....then they would be the authentic legitimate authority on what the cannon is on the bible. No?
This dude talking with Danny about what God would do and what the dude would personally choose to do if God asked him his recommendation: frustrating. Simps. It’s so weird to witness a grown man demonstrate how fear-based mind fuckery can wreck a person’s epistemology and moral intuitions/EQ. Sounding like misanthropes. Arrogant ones... strangely so. Also: I don't really, truly believe they really truly believe this stuff. It's kinda empty autopilot hypnosis. And I am aware many would disagree and say these people "really truly do" believe it. Either way... most I speak with, end up laughing at stuff and basically appearing as if I have more faith in their larp than they do. LOL. That dude who was a bulk of discourse, and almost toward the end... was so avoidant --- slavery and "impermissible" discussion --- crae. Dodger. So cringe.
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Give the first caller a penny for his thoughts and you'll get change back.
Forest Gump is a genius compared to him.
These people are so fk stupid. No wonder this planet is how it is today.
He said Humans are just a Vehicle. like that cult back in the late 80s or early 90s said they were Veheicles. causing how many people to commit suicide and picked up by a alien space ship? it was sopposed to take them to the vayer belt of heaven or something like a esculator take them the rest of the way is sick beyond return.
Or he eats salad with a spoon
Not the sharpest hammer in the knife drawer, is he?
Justin, I just discovered you two weeks ago and I love how you expose Christian dishonesty. 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
The irony of the first caller claiming *pride* to be *everyone else's problem* ...
I know, right?!? 😂
Lololol seriously!!! He was the most narcissistic ahole I’ve heard here in a while.
The slavery apologists are my favorites. Zero morality about them.
You feel slavery is objectively immorral?
@gregsanich5183 Why do you presume that objective morality exists?
"You feel slavery is immoral?" There, I fixed it for you.
@Mxxx-ii9bu "your feelings are not sufficient or substantial evidence to base our worldview or belief system on. " Matt Dilahunty
@@gregsanich5183 Do you? If you're a Christian you don't. Does it objectively lower a person's wellbeing? That's all that matters to me. For me, that which is moral is that which increases human happiness and wellbeing and that which is immoral decreases wellbeing. So if you accept how I am using the word morality, then it is objectively immoral. If you don't accept it, and morality is something else to you, then I don't care about morality and all I care about is the wellbeing of thinking beings. There are no ABSOLUTE morals but we can find objective answers once we agree on the goal and understand what morality actually is. It's not a list. It's right or wrong with respect to the goal of human flourishing and wellbeing.
@@Mxxx-ii9buwhy isn't it objectively immoral?
The book is abbhorrent and they can't accept it.
If you think the bible is abhorrent, then why would you even want christians to practice those biblical laws rather than following what their own christian doctrine is?
That doesn't make any sense.
@@gregsanich5183 Your error is that you, perhaps inadvertently, constructed a straw man whereby you put forward that anyone is arguing that they want, or would prefer, for Christians to follow biblical tenets.
@xmillion1704 no?
Then why are you argueing with christians that they should practice biblical laws instead of their own?
@@gregsanich5183
Because Christian’s claim the Bible is THE WORD OF GOD, and it’s what instructs their whole life on how to live. They believe it’s DIRECT instruction from god himself and it’s a sin NOT to abide by it.
So, if you’re a Christian, and don’t believe in that, then you’re a hypocrite to your own religion and beliefs.
You have no right to tell others how to live, under your god’s rule, if you’re not even abiding, nor believing in the very book that your religion claims is holy and the only way to live your earthly life and only path to salvation for your eternal soul.
Therefore, if you’re a Christian, you have no foundation to even argue, nor presentation of evidence that there is even a god, if you’re not going to even acknowledge the very words that your faith claims to be from the creator himself.
@@gregsanich5183 The ultimate argument is that they should throw out the book completely. We are saying, “Since you don’t follow the book in its entirety (thank goodness) why follow it at all or even say that you do?”
How ignorant do you have to be to eat potato chips when you're on the phone with someone?
That’s not ignorance I’m afraid. That’s apathy.
Better than something pretentious, like a pear 🍐
😅
If your buddy calls you during lunch just to chat? Shrug
If you’re calling in to a live stream, chomping, you’re totally clueless.
@@gregsanich5183 At least a nice ripe pear wouldn't crunch.
It's a performance of contempt for your interlocutor.
Jesus and the Lost Weekend
Dude, where’s my weekend?
In the west people who stole horses were killed. Jesus stole a donkey. He was a low life thief.
When I removed the scales from my eyes and stopped believing- I started to watch Christine Hayes lectures on the hebrew bible etc- and watched an old Rabbi give a bible course to his congregation. The hebrew bible now makes more sense to me than calling it an old testament with a christian gloss over it. The bible books are fascinating if you just let each one speak for itself. How did I believe any of this stuff? Peace to all.
I was never a believer, but I was raised Catholic. Christianity and the Bible never made sense to me (hence, why I rejected it) and then I came across her lectures on YT. Truly fascinating stuff!
What an arrogant first caller.
I think there’s people out there who are simple Normie followers, …..
….and there those who call to question their own beliefs, perhaps re-align their own perspectives, perhaps even change them.
Whether they do or not, I can respect those people.
It’s that 1st dum dum that wasted his own precious time.
He prefers to join the rest of the zombies who simply follow mindlessly.
Love how he condemns pride while praising his own good looks.
@@ianchisholm5756without hypocrisy Christianity dies
Allergic to answering questions. It's the failing of religious thinking.
Funny bc I have been banned from the live chats for the line, axp, skeptalk, and talk heathen, all for asking questions, but have never been banned from any theists platforms for asking questions,
So the evidence appears to demonstrate that we have gotten that trope completely backwards.
@gregsanich5183 your vague personal anecdotes aren't demonstrative evidence of anything.
@flashbazbo694 sure is.
And what part exactly are you finding vague?
Those are 4 examples of observable results that empiricaly demonstrate specifically how the trope of it being theists that don't tolerate questions is actualy the the other way around. Believe what you will, but my expirience has only ever been the complete inverse.
Mabey someday if I ever wittness any theists doing that, I'll have to re-evaluate thst, but until then, I can only follow the evidence where it leads.
Plus it's was certainly more evidence than you provided to support your unsubstantiated claim in the OP
@@gregsanich5183 I call bs.
I’ve never seen anyone banned from those shows simply for asking a question.
They WILL ban you for asking questions INSTEAD of answering the question THEY already asked of YOU repeatedly, indicating that you’re basically ignoring them and are unwilling to respond to their points.
@gregsanich5183 I didn't "find" your statement vague. It IS vague.
I'll fix your next line:
"These are 4 examples of words i don't understand, but will use in hopes of appearing intelligent; observable, empirical, demonstrate, and specifically".
You made a claim. Period.
You didn't provide anything observable, empirical, or specifically demonstrative. I'm guessing the word evidence is on that list as well...
I am late to the party, but I have watched a few of your videos over the past week. Some of your callers are young, some are respectful, and some are neither. I really appreciate how patient you can be with those who deserve your patience. I also appreciate the education I am getting from watching you. You seem to have a wonderful "No Nonsense" approach to these conversations and I find it very refreshing. I have noticed that when a christian is trying to navigate through the lesson you are giving them, it takes alot of repetition for them to see the trail of your logic. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with them even while they fight every step of the way. Maybe some of it will stick and make some kind of dent in the religious world we are stuck in.
Unfortunately, dude, yes we can hear you lol
This is so embarrassing every time a black apologetics tries to defend biblical slavery.
This is a refreshing channel
20:50, You mean Paula White dident really invoke angles from Africa!!?? Wow am i disappointed and disillusioned. 😅. And Kenneth Copeland didn't blow the wind of God on Covid?? And made it dissappear?? And Pat Robertson didn't see Trump sitting at the right hand and of God!!?? Well that wreaked my faith 😢😅
😂😂😂
Ayo some guy did a song remix. Slaps
@@mizzzlicia1832 I've seen those remixes. They've got kenneth copeland in There blowing away covid 19. 😅
@mizzzlicia1832 I've seen those remixes.😅🤣
Imagine going to heaven and being surrounded by people just like the first caller... 😬😬😬
Big W for Justin! Thank you for you skills!🎉
Callers, the rules for these livestream debates are pretty simple. (Of course, DZ can correct me if I'm inaccurate)
The Simple Rules:
1) DZ's livestream, DZ's rules. You absolutely cannot come on here and dictate to DZ what the rules are.
2) DZ will allow you to flesh out your argument as long as:
a) You don't interrupt him
b) If he asks you a direct question, you give him a direct answer. And DZ reserves the right to interrupt you as often as he sees fit until you give him a direct answer to his direct question.
c) Don't do mental gymnastics and be disingenuous.
[1:39] On Mother Teresa:
"This returns us to the medieval corruption of the church, which sold indulgences to the rich while preaching hellfire and continence to the poor. MT was not a friend of the poor. She was a friend of poverty. She said that suffering was a gift from God. She spent her life opposing the only known cure for poverty, which is the empowerment of women and the emancipation of them from a livestock version of compulsory reproduction. And she was a friend to the worst of the rich, taking misappropriated money from the atrocious Duvalier family in Haiti (whose rule she praised in return) and from Charles Keating of the Lincoln Savings and Loan. Where did that money, and all the other donations, go? The primitive hospice in Calcutta was as run down when she died as it always had been-she preferred California clinics when she got sick herself-and her order always refused to publish any audit. But we have her own claim that she opened 500 convents in more than a hundred countries, all bearing the name of her own order. Excuse me, but this is modesty and humility?"
Christopher Hitchens, SLATE
1:23:17 Sacrifice? Wasn't Jesus forcefully crucified? Giving yourself up voluntarily might be seen as a sacrifice, but being forcefully captured and crucified doesn't count.
I like this, I have never thought of it this way very good
@shanehaddix8021 Theists will claim that if Jesus had admitted to not being the Messiah, his life would have been spared, hence sticking to his claim cost him his life. Still not very convincing though IMO. Besides, he came alive again and got to be god for eternity, which is quite the payday.
Jesus knew what would happen tho
@@kokemon84 So did his dad.
@joelonsdale right so... no sacrifice, then.
Ugh! The ment gymnastics 🤦🏼♂️
Surprised they don't get dizzy from all the back flips
Another problem with the invitation analogy: I don't believe there even was an invitation.
Woah. Be careful. Don't use Mother Teresa as an example of a good person. That's largely a falsely manufactured persona.
That's what I'm hearing
You haven't read Christopher Hitchens?
36 minutes in… It never fails to amaze me when apologists wanna run from the old testament. They wanna discount the 10 Commandments and original sin. Without original sin, you can’t get Jesus folks. Plus Jesus is supposedly God so if God is a prick in the Old Testament, he’s a prick in the New Testament.
Original sin isn't exclusive to theism. The secular arguements for abortion also revolve around original sin aswell.
Unless it was grown in a lab, every child ever is guilty of violating a womans bodily autonomy without her consent. A crime that equates to grape and rightly warrants capital punishment without any trial or due process.
No such thing as an innocent person.
as far as convinced. justin for got Moses wasn't convinced at all God existed. Moses meating the burning bush on the mount was God speaking saying here I am then Moses believed. We 2000 freaking years later getting f--king leaf to convince us is Mans scaming tricking brains to except thinking they know a God Damned thing or truly blessed by a God Damned God . we are betrayed suffer up to 80 years and die and Jesus was betrayed a week end. 2 days suffering for us is Absurd. Apologist christians still simply ignore . being SDA I new something was way off.
@@gregsanich5183 Your chronically colonic concepts contravene your bodily autonomy.
@@xmillion1704
😃 alliteration is fun😁
@@gregsanich5183It's not a violation if it's consensual.
The Bible never stopped condoning it!
Its fuuny bc when i watch a christian live stream, you see catholics and orthadox christians making all the same arguements about the bible against protestants.
Most of the worlds christians totaly agree with athiests that it would be silly and seriously problematic to try and base an entire belief system on the bible, or to hold the bible to be an authority on what christianity is.
Its a ridiculous premise and most of the worlds christians would agree.
Protestants are always a little more 'out there' with their beliefs so 🤷
I must admit I am pleased to see a lot of these callers seem to be people who are calling out of curiosity and perhaps even simply for the reason to learn something new. Unlike the first caller. Grrr
I originally wrote a sour message with regards to these callers, and I diagnosed them wrongfully even before listening to the entire 3 hr clip. My bad.
The second caller was all right.
You're both wrong
@Deconstruction_Zone I just meant he wasn't a jerk like the first guy, not that I agree with him...but ok then.
Props to the caller who comes in around 51 minutes for being open and actually listening
Love her and how she puts misogynists in their place, but this stream was supremely more bearable to listen to without Hadji's constant distracting interjections in the background while talking and eating Taco Bell
"That's no if. That's an idea you came up with."
LOL
Sean's audio is the first I've heard that's 1000% louder than Justin's. That mute button has never worked so hard.
So frustrating that people will call into a Bible discussion without their Bible and then don’t even know what it says.
You attract some folks who just want to hear themselves talk ....you got way more patience than me. LOL
It's all money
I also despise the whole “bro“ thing. I’m not your bro dude.
I’m not your dude, guy.
I'm not your guy, buddy.
@@LENGTHEATER I’m not your buddy, friend
@@LENGTHEATERI'm not your buddy.
Yeah, well... that's... just like... your opinion, man.
Cognitive Dissonance
Cognitive dissonance PLUS ignorance with a sprinkle of stupidly, gives you people who say ‘BRO’ every 2nd sentence.
And unfortunately, it’s viral. When you catch a guy saying ‘LIKE’ every second word, you end up doing the same and it’s so bloody annoying. And you can’t help it 😂😂
brain washed
Mother Theresa was a self-aggrandizing cultivator of the suffering of others who enriched herself by trading on her reputation with Haitian dictator Baby Doc.
@@Domzdreamit’s very annoying hearing “bro” repeatedly in one conversation in every sentence.
At 2:04:45) 🏆
I love! this analogy given by Justin’s cohost. Listen to this! Really good psycho-analogy actually.
How come the loser of these debates always start off their sentences with the word, "so"?😂
The message said he keeps using the word "distinction" and it didn't mean what he thot. "Distinction" was the word he's referring to.
Justin I was glad to hear you quote Jesus on the word "soon". I've argued many times that the NT could not have been more clear about the imminent return in the lifetime of the authors. The time is at hand, behold I come quickly, little children it is the last hour, the last days, we who are alive and remain, this generation, some standing here shall not taste death, etc. It's all right there. Failed promises.
The amount of arrogance it takes to speak for god and expect to be taken seriously is astounding 😵💫🦄🤣
How many linguistics, hermeneutics, and theology degrees do I need to understand the perfect word of the god who "is not the author of confusion"??? How could there not be just one denomination with Jesus as the high preist??? He "came back before some of his disciples tasted death" right?
50:30 was cold 😂 btw to the caller an ad hominem is when you say the argument is wrong because you’re stupid. Simply saying you’re stupid is not an ad hominem.
The level of mental gymnastic displayed by those religious callers is a testament of how powerful indoctrination is , specially at an early age.
This guy is arrogantly ignorant. Smh
Even without leading it on, chatgpt will freely admit that Jesus made a distinction between the oral law and written law. It is a point that it will almost always bring up when asking about The Talmud. It will give you a breakdown of what it is, and then tell you how it relates to Christianity, with that section explaining the distinction. If a chat ai that is literally known to show preference to the religious side of the argument can acknowledge this, it’s kind of crazy that the second debater couldn’t. Especially when you read the verses to him and he claimed it was an argument from silence, literally the opposite of what you did.
So is the critisism of christianity with these biblical arguements suposed to be that you're upset that christians aren't bound to the biblical laws, but you believe they should be? .... even though you feel those biblical laws are abhorrent?
Then why would you even want christians to practice those biblical laws instead of following what their own christian doctrine is?
@@gregsanich5183 Do you often get the feeling that what others are REALLY saying flies right over your head?
@@xmillion1704it’s like the seeds fell on rocky ground, and even YOUR message went right over their head. Hahahaa
@@MisterRorschach90 @xmillion1704
🤷 mabey, bc what they are saying doesn't make any sense to me. .... but what do I know?
Mabey you're right, and christians really aren't doing christianity correctly.
But my question would then be, how did you know what the proper way to do christianity was, when the christians themselves, and the church that invented all this stuff in the 1st place didn't know?
It may be weird, but I'm gona take their word on it, over yours, only bc they would be the legitimate authority on what they believe, not you.
You're like 1 of those nerds, that is all upset that the rules in dungeons and dragons aren't consistent with the fantasy lore originaly established by Tolkien. So enlighten me on why exactly d&d, got it wrong and should have to follow Tolkiens lore on how magic works, instead of their own?
Which is pretty funny, except that you're advocating for them to change their beliefs to a doctrine that you yourself find abhorrent.
.....that's messed up, and you're right, bc why anyone would argue for that goes over my head all right. 😳
@@gregsanich5183I just want them to be honest and consistent when they say they believe the bible is the inspired word of god or whatever. If what the bible says isn't the proper way, then they should drop the book and admit it's not true in any meaningful way.
If Jesus was sacrificed, who burned his body on the altar?
Great question. Apparently it was spiritual fire 😂
Jesus wasn't sacrificed, he was executed. That's capital punishment, not ritual sacrifice.
@@gregsanich5183 Most Christians don't believe the hero story about Jesus should be in the Bible because it explains what crimes he did and why the punishment was death. The Romans didn't think he would be a sinless death to please God.. Back in as today if you attack a religious person at the temple mound they can demand your death instantly. WWJD
40:28 What is Moses and the prophets?
It would be the same it is now to Jews: Torah (Instruction, or Law; also called the Pentateuch), and the writings of the Neviʾim (Prophets).
You can see those divisions in a Tanakh for yourself, which will also include the Ketuvim (Writings).
Danny is awesome! Love his channel.
12:21 if Christians don’t have to follow the law why are they constantly yapping about the ten commandments!? 😅
Because they are hypocrites
I may be incorrect, but my understanding of mother Theresa is that she tried to help people, yes, but she thought the best way to help people was to help them suffer. It's a warped mindset, but if you think the best way to help someone's soul (which is a figment of your imagination best we can tell) is to help them to suffer as much as possible; are you actually helping anyone?
Andrea Yates thought she was helping her children. Have yet to meet anyone who thinks she was good for what she did. But she hasn't been canonized, either. I'm sure if she was the theist opinion of her would change in a heartbeat.
Teresa was also a hypocrite. She thought that OTHER people had to suffer to make them better in their souls, but she got the best medical treatment at the time.
So good!
I want to cry hearing the damage done by religion to good people!
That first guy really needs to chill out on the caffeine and listen to the questions. Dude couldn't stop running his mouth for one damn second.
Dude not understanding until recently that the bible is composed of multiple books speaks volumes. Says a lot more than he realizes.
I don't understand the second part of Matthew 5:17 and what fulfill means. The way I understand fulfill is that jesus is here to make sure that people follow the rules of moses isn't it ?
The coming of Justin was fortold by Doug. In the spirit of Hitchens, praise Doug, my rock.
Is he on blow?
Who?
Perhaps manic
Whenever someone mentions that god is against slavery because he freed the Israelites. Would verses like Leviticus 25:55 or Romans 6:22, where god doesn't really want people to be free and no longer slaves... but instead just under new management.
very first caller: "i have cured myself of pride."
also very first caller: "you don't know what you're talking about. god can't be wrong."
hhmmmm...
First caller, "it's not about me, man", continues to talk about himself the entire time
😂😂
Why didn't Justin just say to the guy who loves "Jesus"-- that the English letter "J" is from after 1,520 AD, and was not on any Jews' name.and that he didn't fulfill any prophecies, anyways?
Why would I derail a conversation for such a trivial matter?
@Deconstruction_Zone My apologies-- I get a hold of one live, where you openly stated, "I want to get rid of "Christianity " as the only reason it survives on , is by lying". And the United States openly indoctrinates it's citizens to worship a middle-East terrorist doctrine of death.... I thought you were openly slapping them in the face as it has no foundation to spread the lies it was based on... You did that on multiple times I have watched...Just confused if you're openly partaking in their storybook points, or if you just wanted to show them that it has no foundational grounding in reality.
@Deconstruction_Zone A conversation that points out that "yeshua" is a feminine hebrew noun, that "Jesus" is not in the Codex Sinaticus compiled in 400 AD, and that the letter "J" only existed on anyone's name AFTER 1,520 CE-- are much more straightforward points, IMO
SOLID!!! Titus 2,,9-10 is the new testament
I swear - for all those that have zero imagination or ability to relate to someone’s personal pain - all you have to do is go and watch the brilliant but horrific film - 12 years a slave
If that movie doesn’t reform your levels of empathy, or at least reform your attitude towards human trafficking, what can I tell you, you have probably been born with some broken hardware, which we in the modern world call psychopathy. 🤷🏼♂️
Except that empathy is just an emotion. Feelings aren't rational and they certainly aren't evidence. We shouldn't allow our emotions to cloud our judgement or inhibit our clarity when deciding policy and legislation.
@@gregsanich5183 Empathy is NOT an emotion. It’s the ability to understand and respond to the experience of another, which possibly includes feeling their emotions.
@
Empathy is a DIRECT RESPONSE to the emotion you’re feeling. It’s a ‘cousin’ of an emotion.
This is what makes you more human.
Otherwise we’re simply monkeys fighting over scraps of left over bananas in the trees.
We try to live our lives better than that.
So can you.
@xmillion1704 wether it's whst someone else is feeling, or how you feel about what they are feeling, feelings are still gona be irrational, ... regeadless of who's they are.
@
No. Nothing irrational about feeling mate. It’s pretty straight forward stuff.
By shutting down your emotions, it’s like shutting down your car’s headlights. You’re kinda hoping you don’t hit something.
Emotions are what helps you navigate through life, through interacting with people, (which is a complex matter that insists on emotions and how to manage them). These are just intuitive tools that help you man.
Otherwise you’re simply a robot.
Embrace these things. Just don’t let emotions dominate your intentions. This is pretty elementary stuff 🤣
1:03:20 "I'm not well versed in the bible at all".. and yet you believe it all? How is that achieved? Honestly, the level of idiocy is astonishing.
He made his own version of christianity where he thinks part of the bible is man's word and the things claimed that jesus said is true.
So how do you decide what in the bible is by man and what is by god?
Not only lit the fire, but sent out inadequate, illegible, confusing, and untrustworthy invitations. This God is inept in every analogy.
Please debate an expert like Wes Huff
Wes huffed is an apologist first and foremost. Wes’s expertise is questionable at best, especially as the majority of his credibility is based on him debunking and dismissing Billy Carson, which is rather simple. He does seem to have a PHD or is studying for one, and it does have some relevance but given his internet persona, the strange and disjointed infographics, and dubiousness of their contents: his expertise should be questioned.
I don’t buy his credibility surrounding his own medical condition. 1/3 of people diagnosed with acute transverse myelitis experience a full recovery within a few months of diagnosis: it isn’t a miracle, and just because he claims a doctor called it a miracle first, doesn’t make it one. There are so many Christian miracle healing stories and none of them ever pass the bar.
Blind faith. Absolute stupidity.
Why would anyone gaf about what the Israelites did or thought?
Right!!
We all know how easy it is to make the bible say whatever you want just by ripping verses out of context, while claiming the other person is reading it out of context. However, what guys like this can't interpret away is the fact that it was interpreted as condoning and regulating slavery for about 3200 years, and then suddenly, right about the time of the industrial revolution (go figure,) it started being an issue. Why is that?
From not even 200 years ago.... _Let the gentleman go to Revelation to learn the decree of God - let him go to the Bible. . . . I said that slavery was sanctioned in the Bible, authorized, regulated, and recognized from Genesis to Revelation. . . . Slavery existed then in the earliest ages, and among the chosen people of God; and in Revelation we are told that it shall exist till the end of time shall come. You find it in the Old and New Testaments - in the prophecies, psalms, and the epistles of Paul; you find it recognized - sanctioned everywhere._ Jefferson Davis US Senate
It's not as though he was alone either, given he was the first and only president of the albeit short lived confederacy.Apparently all Christians up until about the mid 1700's were fake Christians. Took a little longer here in the US.
Its fuuny bc when i watch a christian live stream, you see catholics and orthadox christians making all the same arguements about the bible against protestants.
Most of the worlds christians totaly agree with athiests that it would be silly and seriously problematic to try and base an entire belief system on the bible, or to hold the bible to be an authority on what christianity is.
Its a ridiculous premise and most of the worlds christians would agree.
Americans are always a little more 'out there' with their beliefs so 🤷
@@gregsanich5183 So you might as well discard the entire dogma.
The biblical canon IS the entire and sole basis for Christianity. How are you going to discount parts of it and have anything meaningful remaining that you can call Christianity?
If you pop any part of a balloon, you no longer have a balloon at all.
Who are humans to arrogate the authority to determine which parts of the canon (which is the sole instantiation of the Christian god) are meaningful and crucial and which aren’t, in contradiction of the individual (supposed god) for whom the religion is named?
@@gregsanich5183 So you might as well discard the entire dogma.
The biblical canon IS the entire and sole basis for Christianity. How are you going to discount parts of it and have anything meaningful remaining that you can call Christianity?
If you pop any part of a balloon, you no longer have a balloon at all.
Who are humans to arrogate the authority to determine which parts of the canon (which is the sole instantiation of the Christian god) are meaningful and crucial and which aren’t, in contradiction of the individual (supposed god) for whom the religion is named?
@xmillion1704 don't know what you're replying to here, it appears yt took yet another one of my comments down.
I sure am grateful we have the yt algorithm to decide what we are allowed to think & talk about for us.
@@gregsanich5183 Not sure what got deleted and I don't see @xmillion1704, but I do see your comment from about 10 hours ago starting with "Its funny bc when i watch a Christian live stream, "
Was that the comment, because if so it's still here. With regards to that comment, I've noticed that as well. I mean, there are fanatics wherever you go, but we do seem to have more than our fair share.
Bless his pointed little head.
11:58 Even Jesus said he did not come to abolish the law. There is no such thing as a New covenant
Some people don't believe slavery is still condoned today but there's more slaves today than ever before and you could go to Libya today if you wanted to buy a slave. They sell hundreds every week and have no plans of stopping.
Irrelevant since I'm against modern slavery too. The god of the bible is not
The level of passiveness when it comes to the catholic caller is actually wild. The beliefs are still false.
42:42....dude is just coping super hard to rationalise their invisible friend. Buddy, you aren't an all knowing, all powerful, infallible god. When you write things, you can make mistakes, a god cannot.
Love ya my man but you gotta let people speak...😮
I don't have many rules but when they talk over me, I talk over them. If they pivot and ignore questions, I stop them and bring them back.
Tbf, they gotta answer the questions and not lie about their book. I've seen enough debates/conversations with dishonest people like the callers that get interrupted to know that's the only way to handle them. The alternative is to either let them lie uninterrupted or to shout over them. And I, and many others, are sick of folks getting to lie and be treated as if their lies are worth respecting.
@@stormburn1 I disagree. Sort of. I agree that the lies are infuriating. But, you must let them tell the lie, _then_ refute it. Once they start reiterating despite refutation, then it's fine to interrupt.
Seems Jesus didn't fix the pride issue for the first caller. Maybe he should move on to Vishnu or Odin.
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I can't imagine how horrible it would be to live with the brain the first caller has, it must be so confusing and upsetting.
First caller was totally a troll that was very lonely and desperate for attention. I hope they get help.
Sounds like Shawn took his struggles with pride, and turned it into annoying arrogance!
Wow, this was really a video of two halves. The guests in the first half were generally honest and admitted when they were wrong about something the Bible says. But in the second half it was just terrible slave apologist after terrible slave apologist. These people were not even capable of admitting they could be wrong, even when shown to be so over and over again. So dishonest....but for Jesus so I am sure that makes it ok.
First dude is empty upstairs. 😂
Sad af tho
Like a child.
I’m so glad u keep using the term “Asinine” when referring to the belief put forth by Christians of believe in me or burn forEVER. I was questioned the other day on my use of the word on the same point. Thanks for what u do Justin! Doug is my Rock!
Thanks for supporting the channel 🫶
The caller keeps talking about “paradise”. I wonder if he knows that’s a Persian word coming from the Zoroastrians and they use the word “paradise” to describe their heaven. You can’t make this stuff up 🤣
The analogies that Christian’s give is always the most malformed and poorly constructed. They’re almost instantly refuted in a way that the Christian will agree with or a way that immediately shuts down their analogy. It’s always so predictable.
Hebrews 11 Faith is not Justice
I can't even get two minutes in with this first guy, he is insufferable and doesn't shut up with his indoctrinated bs.
35:30 he is really trying. Let him talk.
I ain't your dude either
I ain't your friend , buddy.
That Mari dude is such a clown lol
Don't hold your breath on caller 3 converting to atheism!!!😂
The caller dinosaur was very annoying in the way he kept making false analogies and when called out on them would condescendingly say “can I finish” in a cringe way. It seems like he is the kind of Xtian that has made religion his whole life and no matter how many facts you bring up to disprove god he will spin it and do anything possible to dismiss everything said to continue holding his belief. It’s very sad to see indoctrination of this scale.
I want to have a conversation about my made up Jesus stuff but don't tell me when I'm wrong & point it out.
The apostle Paul would be least in the Kingdom of God.
When Testla cars develop QI and AI, they will develop sentience and worship Musk as god.
The gentiles that Paul was speaking to and about where diaspora only
Both the catholic and othadox churches dissagree.
@gregsanich5183 so what? Those morons get all kinds of things wrong that are plain as day. Even though I still don't believe the Bible anymore at this point the only way that it makes sense from beginning to end is with that understanding every other denomination faction teaching understanding has parts that contradict. This is the only way to eliminate most of the contradictions and it becomes plainly obvious once you start to see it then you realize oh s*** it's saying this everywhere
@vtalen
If Tolkien is the authentic legitimate authority for what is cannon middle earth, NC he is the one who originally produced it,
....then they would be the authentic legitimate authority on what the cannon is on the bible. No?
This dude talking with Danny about what God would do and what the dude would personally choose to do if God asked him his recommendation: frustrating. Simps.
It’s so weird to witness a grown man demonstrate how fear-based mind fuckery can wreck a person’s epistemology and moral intuitions/EQ. Sounding like misanthropes. Arrogant ones... strangely so. Also: I don't really, truly believe they really truly believe this stuff. It's kinda empty autopilot hypnosis. And I am aware many would disagree and say these people "really truly do" believe it. Either way... most I speak with, end up laughing at stuff and basically appearing as if I have more faith in their larp than they do. LOL.
That dude who was a bulk of discourse, and almost toward the end... was so avoidant --- slavery and "impermissible" discussion --- crae. Dodger. So cringe.
3:10 admission that god is not real.
I think we need to use an eye of discernment