Love that there's a sponsor for the video, much better than the YT ads. But like many others I'd still deal with them for the amount of info and knowledge gained by each episode.
This is one of the most, if not the most complete collection of meaningful information for precision shooting I have seen, heard, or read. It was easy to understand, Erik and Alex explained everything clearly, and it was rather all encompassing. Thank you both!
I've hid in the shadows reading a lot of what Alex has posted over the years and learned a lot. Having watched this video I have even more respect for him now. Cool guy and obviously intelligent. Thanks for another good video Erik.
Alex is awesome. I feel guilty when I text him because I know how busy he is. Same goes for you Erik. But I supper appreciate you for taking the time. As a shooter I have a different goal that doesn't line up with traditional thinking. Maybe on day if our paths cross I'll explain that.
I thought I would have most of this figured out by now. I have watched several videos. Now this Wheels fella says there's more to learn. Kidding thanks boys.
Thanks Alex for the 300 NMI you chambered for me. Glad to see your going to do what we talked about, staying behind the lathe instead of doing complete builds.
Even though for someone like me that will never get quite this far in depth I still love finding more and more information that one day I may be able to put to use. Even if it is just to support my hobby! Love the content
Another quality interview with a lot of expert knowledge and experience being shared. Thank you guys for your time and effort. (Btw, I again have a new reloading dogma.......for at least until the next guest speaks.) Ha ha.
I like the sponsor. Mr. Wheeler appears to make statements based on his experience and his own testing. Has any rifle manufacturer like Weatherby ever considered adding EC tuners as an option, they offer Peak 44 Blacktooth carbon fiber stocks and offer Leupold, Swarovski or Vortex scopes mounted on their rifles.
That's super interesting about the low es lots of times being vertical that leaves me to think there's actually a beneficial amount of harmonic interference that must be reacting with ancillary items like the stock or scope... I'm gonna run circles on that a while
So much good information ... I had particular interest in the velocity node discussion and positive compensation... my take away was tune for the distance you plan to shoot... and something new to me gluing in your actions ...
And wow!! Great wealth of questions answered!! I always thought, I dont really need a chronograph as well, if its shooting small groups why do I really need it? Maybe for load development on a new powder or bullet? Maybe not, theres always a ballistic reference book or the powder specs on the can, then test, test and test...
That's really good stuff Erik and Alex. Thank you! I have a question regarding the 7PRCW...I can see necking up up the 6.5 PRC case...but...What do you do for dies? Does Alex ream custom dies? Thanks
Alex,how bout a roller end on the bolt lug that drops into a light detent in the action. Similar to an automotive roller rocker arm. Wouldn't the roller alow a more smooth and positive drop into battery and also the bolt would lift easier after firing. Just a thought and i figure you're in business to improve stuff?
3 shot groups are perfectly acceptable and relevant for hunting applications in my experience. I am NOT talking about anything for competition. I've been doing it since the 80s with my handloads and I've never seen any evidence that shooting one or 2 more somehow enters into the realm of "statistically meaningful" If I ever did get into competition I may rethink it but not likely. Just too many variables shot to shot whether its 3 or 10 or whatever
My latest f class barrel is a 25 xc when i started useing in competetion i was .035 off the lands. When my x count started falling off after 2000+ rounds i checked the jump. To my surprise it was .140" jump. Now it's a 28" barrel
With his neck tension story with the 300prc could he have conversely ran it into the lands? Was the neck tension an answer to regulating what I'll call initial pressure impulse?
Wonder what the thoughts are on a block style rifle. Barrel and action are floating and the only thing holding it all together is a 5 inch clamp located at the chank of the barrel.
Alex mentioned that CF stocks are very stiff, but that's the thing about CF, it can be whatever you like. The fact that manufacturers are making them stiff is just that. They could just as easily make them where they would bend around a tree. Think about it for a moment, you have a material that you could make not only as stiff/ridged or as flexible as you desire, but you can do that differently throughout the stock. Maybe you want it rigid around the action but in front and behind it less, you can do that with CF. Not only that, but each is directional based on how it's laid in. Think about all the things made with CF from fishing poles, to wheels, to stocks. If I was Alex and knew what he does, I'd lay out the qualities a stock for various uses should have (like hunting vs F-Class vs BR), then engage with a best in class bicycle frame maker. Those folks have already done the work, they have decades of experience with it and know exactly what is needed to get variable stiffness and flexibility in the same finished CF product. Not only within a frame, but for different uses, like track/criterion vs road racing. When you've got a rifle stock that ignores environmental conditions and it also is tuned for the intended use and the shooter. That's the cat's meow.
Everyone is entirely missing the point of Litz and Hornady's statistical analysis. "They aren't speaking to us" Is wrong. They aren't saying you can't develop a good load shooting small samples. They are saying you can't be certain how good a load it is unless you shoot large sample sizes. Also, you can absolutely tell a BAD load shooting small sample sizes.
You guys were talking about reworking a load when changing different lots of powder. How do you feel about mixing several different lots of powder together, and using that mix for a longer period of time, hopefully eliminating the need to constantly rework the load?
I use a 7saum in unlimited class benchrest. 1:8 twist with sierra 183gr. 61gr of H4831sc and it runs right at 3020fps. Its very accurate and the first time i took it to Williamsport 1000yd club i won my relay. 7saum has become my favorite cartridge last couple years and I see no point in improving the case. Took me a lot of work to the stock to keep it from torquing.
First of all. I love these podcasts and we're lucky you put them out there. Erik I think you misunderstand what Bryan meant by a 0.6 moa gun. He meant that gun never ever shot larger than 0.6 MOA. Not that it averaged 0.6 MOA. It could have easily averaged half that. When you talk about a gun you generally mention the average where he measures the largest group it has ever shot with the chosen load. If he had a gun/load that shot five sub quarter MOA groups and one half moa group it would be a half MOA gun to him.
Wood stocks are excellent but no doubt laminate is the way to go, less flexibility in extreme weather changes like much colder weather. Much Much colder.
Rats........no talk about clickers. I was hoping for an explanation of why long standing cartridges with the same clearance (or less) than a SAAMI 6.5prc don't have the clicker issue......while the 6.5prc has gained quite the reputation for "clickers" leading to a wheeler redesigned reamer.
Don’t forget to like the SH*T out of this video!!!!
Like and share!!
I use the like button to know I've watched it (History is off)
Done sir!
Hit the like on the way in
Love that there's a sponsor for the video, much better than the YT ads. But like many others I'd still deal with them for the amount of info and knowledge gained by each episode.
Thank you. Make sure you like the video :)
Great discussion guys! I think I need to build a 7PRCW :)
looking forward, 22inch barrel, lighweight hunting rifle
This is one of the most, if not the most complete collection of meaningful information for precision shooting I have seen, heard, or read. It was easy to understand, Erik and Alex explained everything clearly, and it was rather all encompassing. Thank you both!
I’ve learned something new from everyone that you’ve interviewed. Thank you Erik for this content
You’re welcome.
Been waiting a LONG TIME for this one.
I've hid in the shadows reading a lot of what Alex has posted over the years and learned a lot. Having watched this video I have even more respect for him now. Cool guy and obviously intelligent. Thanks for another good video Erik.
No ads is great, but id listen to 2hrs of ads for the info in these vids. Thanks again for sharing.
Glad you like them!
Please put down the utility knife on future interviews…!! 🤪. That cracking was like nails in a chalkboard….
Great interview 👍🏻
But you stuck around, that’s how we know the interview was good. 😜
Thank you sir… may I have another 🤗
I didn't notice the clicking at all until I read this comment, then I heard every one. Thanks a lot.
I was wondering what that noise was. Utility knife.....yep that's what it sounded like
Alex is awesome. I feel guilty when I text him because I know how busy he is. Same goes for you Erik. But I supper appreciate you for taking the time.
As a shooter I have a different goal that doesn't line up with traditional thinking. Maybe on day if our paths cross I'll explain that.
Glad to see this one really wanted to hear from Alex.
Thank you for doing that one!
You’re welcome
I thought I would have most of this figured out by now. I have watched several videos. Now this Wheels fella says there's more to learn. Kidding thanks boys.
Lol, it’s non stop isn’t it?
Best interview of all. So far. Thank you Alex for taking the time to do this.
I can appreciate my aw2 reamer for my 6.5 prc even more now after listening to him! It has done the trick for me. Great video!
Sure do like seeing faces added to the names I've know forever......good stuff spoken right here........
Thanks Alex for the 300 NMI you chambered for me. Glad to see your going to do what we talked about, staying behind the lathe instead of doing complete builds.
Absolutely fantastic amount of information; saved this for future reference. Thanks so much.
Excellent......thank you Erik!
Alex Wheeler what an absolute student and master of the trade, you are an inspiration.....thank you..
Awesome interview. Alex seems like a cool and very intelligent dude.
That interview was absolutely excellent. Thank you both.
Whether you get some hard data information from this or just some great information to think on, this has been incredible!
I can’t tell you how much I learned from this session! I’m an old guy that has shot forever.
Love these podcast inter views over the shorts
Great interview. Lots of good information, sprinkled with a ton of common sense. Great job gentlemen.
Even though for someone like me that will never get quite this far in depth I still love finding more and more information that one day I may be able to put to use. Even if it is just to support my hobby! Love the content
Thank you
Been waiting on this one.
Another quality interview with a lot of expert knowledge and experience being shared. Thank you guys for your time and effort. (Btw, I again have a new reloading dogma.......for at least until the next guest speaks.) Ha ha.
Really liked this one Erik. I’ll be replaying it and taking notes like Speedy does! Keep em coming and believe the target!
Thank you
Great interview Erik, Finally get to match a face to the phone and texts! Thank you Erik and Alex!!
Great interview
Interesting discussion, was enjoyable and would to see more discussions between you guys.
Alex Wheeler is the man. Shares alot on AS.
Fascinating stuff. Man i have so much to learn.
I like the sponsor. Mr. Wheeler appears to make statements based on his experience and his own testing. Has any rifle manufacturer like Weatherby ever considered adding EC tuners as an option, they offer Peak 44 Blacktooth carbon fiber stocks and offer Leupold, Swarovski or Vortex scopes mounted on their rifles.
Browning has the boss system many years ago.
Love this episode very knowledgeable. Learning a lot thanks!
Thank you
That's super interesting about the low es lots of times being vertical that leaves me to think there's actually a beneficial amount of harmonic interference that must be reacting with ancillary items like the stock or scope... I'm gonna run circles on that a while
I appreciate every one of these Erik!
Very good interview.
Thank you
So much good information ... I had particular interest in the velocity node discussion and positive compensation... my take away was tune for the distance you plan to shoot... and something new to me gluing in your actions ...
Best quote ever - “Like that at a thousand.”
That's why I think these metal chassiss should have polymer bedding areas. It would be interesting to see if it dampens reverb.
I liked the sh#t out of the video but looks like Alex needs to address the broken door spring before the other one lets go. LOL
I saw that too. 😂
Noticed that too lol
I would like it 10000 times if it would let me,love this stuff great work guys
Great interview!
Great information
Been waiting on this video.
And wow!! Great wealth of questions answered!! I always thought, I dont really need a chronograph as well, if its shooting small groups why do I really need it? Maybe for load development on a new powder or bullet? Maybe not, theres always a ballistic reference book or the powder specs on the can, then test, test and test...
That's really good stuff Erik and Alex. Thank you! I have a question regarding the 7PRCW...I can see necking up up the 6.5 PRC case...but...What do you do for dies? Does Alex ream custom dies? Thanks
That was an awesome conversation.
This is some Gold info for a shooter that is really wanting to learn the game...
Great barrels shoot immediately right from the start. Don't waste time on sub-standard barrels.
Please interview James Eagleman from barbour creek long range.
He trained me years ago, smart smart guy
Great recommendation !
Great instructor !
Great flattop!
Agree,James would be a great interview
Great video, that background clicking was tweaking my ADD though!!!!
Alex,how bout a roller end on the bolt lug that drops into a light detent in the action. Similar to an automotive roller rocker arm. Wouldn't the roller alow a more smooth and positive drop into battery and also the bolt would lift easier after firing. Just a thought and i figure you're in business to improve stuff?
3 shot groups are perfectly acceptable and relevant for hunting applications in my experience. I am NOT talking about anything for competition. I've been doing it since the 80s with my handloads and I've never seen any evidence that shooting one or 2 more somehow enters into the realm of "statistically meaningful"
If I ever did get into competition I may rethink it but not likely. Just too many variables shot to shot whether its 3 or 10 or whatever
My latest f class barrel is a 25 xc when i started useing in competetion i was .035 off the lands. When my x count started falling off after 2000+ rounds i checked the jump. To my surprise it was .140" jump.
Now it's a 28" barrel
Been waiting for this video! Thanks!
Im wondering what wheelers thoughts are on barrel to action torque? 40lbs, 60 lbs, 150 lbs.? Will it affect accuracy? Is 150lbs really necesarry???
With his neck tension story with the 300prc could he have conversely ran it into the lands? Was the neck tension an answer to regulating what I'll call initial pressure impulse?
Great interview !!!!
Thank you
Wonder what the thoughts are on a block style rifle. Barrel and action are floating and the only thing holding it all together is a 5 inch clamp located at the chank of the barrel.
Alex mentioned that CF stocks are very stiff, but that's the thing about CF, it can be whatever you like. The fact that manufacturers are making them stiff is just that. They could just as easily make them where they would bend around a tree. Think about it for a moment, you have a material that you could make not only as stiff/ridged or as flexible as you desire, but you can do that differently throughout the stock. Maybe you want it rigid around the action but in front and behind it less, you can do that with CF. Not only that, but each is directional based on how it's laid in. Think about all the things made with CF from fishing poles, to wheels, to stocks. If I was Alex and knew what he does, I'd lay out the qualities a stock for various uses should have (like hunting vs F-Class vs BR), then engage with a best in class bicycle frame maker. Those folks have already done the work, they have decades of experience with it and know exactly what is needed to get variable stiffness and flexibility in the same finished CF product. Not only within a frame, but for different uses, like track/criterion vs road racing. When you've got a rifle stock that ignores environmental conditions and it also is tuned for the intended use and the shooter. That's the cat's meow.
A great talk. The man knows his stuff. Erik go getem in Africa.
Drink every time eric says “thousand”
Everyone is entirely missing the point of Litz and Hornady's statistical analysis. "They aren't speaking to us" Is wrong. They aren't saying you can't develop a good load shooting small samples. They are saying you can't be certain how good a load it is unless you shoot large sample sizes. Also, you can absolutely tell a BAD load shooting small sample sizes.
Bring us back some - GOLD -
Go team USA ! ! !
No doubt! 💪
Thank you for the knowledge
Perfect...................................
Thank you
That was a great chat.
Thanks for the info
Thank you
I would like to know if anyone knows positively what causes fliers? Is it caused by one thing or many? Thanks
Thank you Creedmoor sports.
Thank you
I’m here because of the YT Short that asked about stocks and barrel harmonics.
Wheeler FTW!
Thank you
@@BelieveTheTarget BTW, I have Alex thread my barrels for EC tuners. Great Combination!
Fantastic!
Thank you
You guys were talking about reworking a load when changing different lots of powder. How do you feel about mixing several different lots of powder together, and using that mix for a longer period of time, hopefully eliminating the need to constantly rework the load?
You can’t mix lots good enough for this to work.
Ho2 about Tubbs system of springs
Can y’all get the 3-lug just as timed and all as the 2-lug or are y’all like 2-lug only?
Great content!! Thanks
I'm in the camp of concentricity doesn't matter, good dies, good chamber, good billets, good barrel, will shoot good and with tune better
💪
How do you swap a barrel on a glued in stock when it is shot out?
Im torn between 7fcp an 7prcw, i like the extra capacity but i wonder what a side by side comparison would look like with different bullet weights
If you want extra capacity, get a SAUM instead. It’s easier.
where can I find info on the PRCW
I use a 7saum in unlimited class benchrest. 1:8 twist with sierra 183gr. 61gr of H4831sc and it runs right at 3020fps. Its very accurate and the first time i took it to Williamsport 1000yd club i won my relay. 7saum has become my favorite cartridge last couple years and I see no point in improving the case. Took me a lot of work to the stock to keep it from torquing.
Where are you sourcing brass & who’s the manufacturer?
We should have a drinking game for"as you know I have a 1000 yard range" lol
You could charge admission for your chat, and I would gladly pay. Excellent gents great time well spent.
Trust in yourself
True
Just got flags from Creedmore Sports, great place!
First of all. I love these podcasts and we're lucky you put them out there. Erik I think you misunderstand what Bryan meant by a 0.6 moa gun. He meant that gun never ever shot larger than 0.6 MOA. Not that it averaged 0.6 MOA. It could have easily averaged half that. When you talk about a gun you generally mention the average where he measures the largest group it has ever shot with the chosen load. If he had a gun/load that shot five sub quarter MOA groups and one half moa group it would be a half MOA gun to him.
What’s that crackling noise?
Sounds like he was playing with a snap blade utility knife or something of the like.
Where’s the jingle “tonight I’m feeling mean”?
What about talking to David Tubb ?
Wood stocks are excellent but no doubt laminate is the way to go, less flexibility in extreme weather changes like much colder weather. Much Much colder.
It takes precision
😊😊😊
Rats........no talk about clickers. I was hoping for an explanation of why long standing cartridges with the same clearance (or less) than a SAAMI 6.5prc don't have the clicker issue......while the 6.5prc has gained quite the reputation for "clickers" leading to a wheeler redesigned reamer.
I hear about 6.5 PRC clickers but I have three rifles and haven’t seen any yet. I’m thankful for that.
Amazing as always, love the low adds as it is very frustrating.
Did you make sure to like the video. 😉😁
Thank you for watching and commenting.
Also, he didnt talk about chassis stocks??
Great info and video, If you are looking for a GREAT 1000 yd Brenchrest guy to interview, look no farther than Bob Pastor ( The Viper ) IMHO.
Thank you
How does one perform the scope test Alex performed?
What glue do you use for stock and action?
We may have to do a second part. 🤷♂️