What most people do not is that most of Islamic scholars were brilliant scholars. But if we attach new terms such as historian or sociologist then they gain more importance. The addition of new modern terms to scholars of the past increases their value. Sure Ibn Khaldun was genius but so were the rest of Islamic scholars.
They were that way because they mastered the religious and academic sciences like grammar and logic, rhetoric… `the sharia sciences makes a person smart and turns him into a critical thinker and likewise Arabic grammar is also such a science…
Those so called Islamic scientist were persecuted for their works and were labeled heratics. The were inspired by the works of greeks, Indian mathematics and Persians. Amd yet so many people say they were the first ones who invented these fields.
Thank you for the summary of the biography of the scholar Ibn Khaldoune, a man who belongs to humanity from which it has greatly benefited, and it is said that he was ahead of his time, and is considered the miracle of his time since he is the founder of a very advanced and complex science which is of course sociology. Thank you again and best wishes from Algeria.
God has gifted him gift and he utilised it in the best possible way. Knowing this, Israel's time is just around the corner. This is their 3rd/4th generation after Nakba. Other scholar also shared the same view. We must brace ourselves
Thank you so much for this outstanding presentation without an ounce of braggadocio! May Allah increase your knowledge and blessings from research! Ameen
Ibnu Khaldun was undoubtedly a great thinker, but it was Prophet Muhammad ﷺ who stood as the greatest thinker, not only in the Muslim world but for all of humanity from Adam A.S to the present day.
That is amazing how forgetful we are??people who must of known inn khalidun and the struggle he found in himself and didn’t want or wish that on them..but he knew it was inevitable ❤
@@This-Is-The-End Ibn khaldun himself did! In all old manuscripts, the author writes his entire name (lineage) from himself to the farther grand parents he is aware of. He traced his lineage to Hadhramaut (the cross section between current Yemen, Oman, and Saudi Arabia)! His family occupied ministry and administration jobs among Yemenite rulers of Andalusia. His family fleed to Tunis escaping political persecution by other contenders to power. That's why he is also called al-Ishbili (The Sevillan). But tribally speaking, he is from Hadhramaut. He is sure an Arab but most of his teachers and dynasties he served were Berbers.
It is not the ethnicity that makes a person great, but a person's own efforts, culture and genius. Being of a certain ethnicity doesn't mean anything by itself.
Ibn Khaldun's admirers are mostly Europeans and Moroccans, but Arabs are not like that. The most famous researcher of Arabic manuscripts in the Arab world, Dr. Bashar Awad Maarouf, mentioned that Ibn Khaldun is below average in his book of history and has many errors, and his book is a summary of Ibn al-Atheer’s book on history, which is full of errors in its European version, and he is merely a copyist of it , Ibn Khaldun is not comparable to the great scholars such as Al-Tabari, Ibn Al-Jawzi, Al-Dhahabi, Al-Aini, etc. His words are over. I have not heard an Arab say that Ibn Khaldun is the greatest Arab thinker! Why is this such a big claim? We do not claim that, but there are many Arab scholars better than him. In the introduction to Ibn Khaldun, some Arabs discussed his mistakes, criticized them, and corrected them. Such as Ibn Khaldun’s claim that the non-Arabs are the majority of Muslim scholars. This was responded to by the historical historian Dr. Naji, who proved the Arabism of many scholars falsely attributed to non-Arabs who lived in Central Asia, Khorasan, northern Morocco, and elsewhere, by tracing their genealogy and tribes. The title of the book for those looking for it to verify the credibility of Dr. Naji Maarouf’s scientific research: عروبة العلماء المنسوبين إلى البلدان الأعجمية - د.ناجي معروف The investigator, Dr. Naji Marouf, proved that Khaldun was not knowledgeable in genealogy, and many of the Arab scholars who settled in Khorasan, Central Asia, and northern Morocco were attributed to the Persians, even though they were Arabs and their lineage was known. Their lineage was written by Dr. Naji Marouf in several volumes proving their Arab lineage. Then Dr. Bashar Awad Maarouf, the well-known investigator of the Prophet’s hadiths, confirmed this and renewed the copy. The anthropologist Saad Al-Soyan also wrote in a distinguished book criticizing the ideas of Ibn Khaldun’s book Al-Muqaddimah regarding the Arab Bedouins, called the Arabian Desert. Dr. Saad Al-Soyan explains the difference between the “Bedouin” and the “primitive” and the reasons for the wrong stereotypical image of the Bedouin Arabs. Likewise, how did these wrong stereotypes spread? This is the same source of information that Ibn Khaldun obtained, so he also made a mistake. Many academics copy the words of Ibn Khaldun that most Muslim scholars were Persians, and this is one of the disasters that Western academics copied from Ibn Khaldun. Therefore, we see many professors mentioning that Persians are the majority of Muslim scholars, etc. Although the majority of Persians were students of Arab scholars in the Umayyad and Abbasid dynasties It is easy to search for the students of the first Muslim philosophers, namely Al-Kindi, and you will find that his students were Persians. If you searched for Arabic and Islamic sciences, the Persians did not learn these sciences without learning from their Arab teachers. Al-Khalil Al-Farahidi, the grammarian, you will find that his students were Persians, including Sibawayh, who copied his words with a number of students in his book. The famous writers and literary scholars such as Al-Mubarrad were Persian students, and the four jurisprudence scholars, three of whom were Arabs, and the fourth did not learn jurisprudence without Arab scholars or from their teachers. Therefore, it is wrong to ignore the source from which the Persians learn Arab, Islamic, and cognitive sciences from the countries that embraced them in Damascus and then Baghdad. If the Arabs were a colonial nation, the Persians or non-Arabs would not have learned, but the Muslim Arabs’ mission was to teach humanity, so servants and slaves were taught like the sons of princes. While in imperial and colonial civilizations, they may not have been able to learn because they had become defeated, and they may only work in agriculture and herding. When some Western academics simply state that Persians are the majority of Muslim scholars, they ignore the source of their learning, and they ignore this fact, and they ignore that Arab scholars were the founders of much of modern science. Perhaps this simple observation makes me hope that an Orientalist will study these ideas to correct many of the errors that were copied from Ibn Khaldun’s ideas in Western societies, not only but even in the far Eastern peoples because they are copying Western books with everything in them.
Al-Muqaddimah is not a work of historiography (this is Kitab al-Mubtada', of which al-Muqaddimah is an introduction) but a theory of historical change and social structure. This is why it's not comparable with the works of history that you mentioned such al-Tabari's, which didn't present a coherent theory of society and history. This is why al-Muqaddimah is unique and innovative work. It seems that you're so offended by Ibn Khaldun's claim that most Muslim scholars were Persian, and you're taking it as a matter of nationalist pride. Regardless whether this claim is right or wrong, it's not an essential part of Ibn Khaldun's theory and if it's false, it doesn't discredit it. PS. Apparently, you consider Iran and Central Asia to be "more Arab" than Morocco, which is really strange. Most Moroccans are Arabic-speaking and they write in Arabic, so if they consider Ibn Khaldun one of the greatest intellectuals in Arab history, this is not something to dismiss as not Arab. And one more thing: Ibn Khaldun was popular among Ottoman intellectuals (e.g. Katib Celebi, 17th C), so not only in Morocco or Europe (or Tunisia, his birth place) was he popular.
@@عبدالله-ن6ه2ص Apparently your reading ability in English is limited. Look at the very first sentence I wrote, between two brackets like these ( ). What does it say?
This comment is problematic on so many levels. Also, Ibn Khaldun is known as one of the greatest intellectuals of the Islamic and Arab World. And it's obvious your English is quiet weak so you might not understand a lot of what you read.
All this was explained in detail by Plato. In fact both Christianty and Islam are misconception and misrepresentation of Plato. However, Nietzsche goes so far as to say Socrates and Plato were Jews.
Based on evidence Islam we know today was created by the Abbasids before them Islam we know today did not exist. Thry were ones who crafted many of the hadith collections and compiled them thry also altered many of the events in the past and added new stories and events like the fitna, or the Ridda wars. Prophet Muhammad we know of today we know nothing about his life every thing comes from the Abbasid sources. He wasnt the founder of Islam we know of today and he was likely a legendary figure based of Ilyas Ibn Qabisha, christian preacher and many others these were later merged into one figure. Before the Abbasids there was a Christian sub sect that would later evolve inro the Islam we know of today.
What most people do not is that most of Islamic scholars were brilliant scholars. But if we attach new terms such as historian or sociologist then they gain more importance. The addition of new modern terms to scholars of the past increases their value. Sure Ibn Khaldun was genius but so were the rest of Islamic scholars.
They were that way because they mastered the religious and academic sciences like grammar and logic, rhetoric… `the sharia sciences makes a person smart and turns him into a critical thinker and likewise Arabic grammar is also such a science…
Those so called Islamic scientist were persecuted for their works and were labeled heratics. The were inspired by the works of greeks, Indian mathematics and Persians. Amd yet so many people say they were the first ones who invented these fields.
Thank you for this informative video.
Thank you for the summary of the biography of the scholar Ibn Khaldoune, a man who belongs to humanity from which it has greatly benefited, and it is said that he was ahead of his time, and is considered the miracle of his time since he is the founder of a very advanced and complex science which is of course sociology. Thank you again and best wishes from Algeria.
3:25 "Esprit de corps" is mispelled.
Great video as always, thank you
Thank you for the correction.
A French term!
One of the great anthropologists/philosophers. Thanks for the info
God has gifted him gift and he utilised it in the best possible way.
Knowing this, Israel's time is just around the corner. This is their 3rd/4th generation after Nakba.
Other scholar also shared the same view. We must brace ourselves
great info
Thank you so much for this outstanding presentation without an ounce of braggadocio! May Allah increase your knowledge and blessings from research! Ameen
Thanks for the information 👍
Thanks a lot for sharing .
I shared. I actively practice reciprocity. ❤
Ibnu Khaldun was undoubtedly a great thinker, but it was Prophet Muhammad ﷺ who stood as the greatest thinker, not only in the Muslim world but for all of humanity from Adam A.S to the present day.
Why don’t you explain that point of view on the *God Logic* podcasts?
Yh but besides muhammad of course. But amazing how these medieval islamic philosophers still followed muhammad even though they were smart themselves
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If only they would ask Dr.Jay Smith “the truth about Islam’s origins”
for an interview to dissolve the entire issue.
That is amazing how forgetful we are??people who must of known inn khalidun and the struggle he found in himself and didn’t want or wish that on them..but he knew it was inevitable ❤
Nice video of great man of middle time a remarkable person thanks for video
*Great Man?
Would you please give details of this on a *God Logic* podcasts?
@@Kirk-d7v there are so many books about this genius you can find in libraries and now on u tube I had read his books with translation thanks
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Smart way of doing things,I should suggest this to Avery on the *God Logic* podcasts.
Thanks!
I'm proud to be berber "Amazigh". Ibn Khaldun was a pioneer of sociology.
Thats nice. How is your Berber identity related to Ibn Khaldun ?
Ibn khaldun is not a Berber, According to his own account, he was Arab.
@@Iamfsaly Sure he was! Who said he wasn't ?
@@This-Is-The-End
Ibn khaldun himself did! In all old manuscripts, the author writes his entire name (lineage) from himself to the farther grand parents he is aware of. He traced his lineage to Hadhramaut (the cross section between current Yemen, Oman, and Saudi Arabia)!
His family occupied ministry and administration jobs among Yemenite rulers of Andalusia. His family fleed to Tunis escaping political persecution by other contenders to power. That's why he is also called al-Ishbili (The Sevillan). But tribally speaking, he is from Hadhramaut.
He is sure an Arab but most of his teachers and dynasties he served were Berbers.
It is not the ethnicity that makes a person great, but a person's own efforts, culture and genius. Being of a certain ethnicity doesn't mean anything by itself.
I actually knew about this dude !
❤❤❤
The military not allowed within the city is reminiscent of the roman pommerium
"Dune" Original
Ibn Khaldun's admirers are mostly Europeans and Moroccans, but Arabs are not like that.
The most famous researcher of Arabic manuscripts in the Arab world, Dr. Bashar Awad Maarouf, mentioned that Ibn Khaldun is below average in his book of history and has many errors, and his book is a summary of Ibn al-Atheer’s book on history, which is full of errors in its European version, and he is merely a copyist of it , Ibn Khaldun is not comparable to the great scholars such as Al-Tabari, Ibn Al-Jawzi, Al-Dhahabi, Al-Aini, etc. His words are over.
I have not heard an Arab say that Ibn Khaldun is the greatest Arab thinker! Why is this such a big claim? We do not claim that, but there are many Arab scholars better than him.
In the introduction to Ibn Khaldun, some Arabs discussed his mistakes, criticized them, and corrected them.
Such as Ibn Khaldun’s claim that the non-Arabs are the majority of Muslim scholars.
This was responded to by the historical historian Dr. Naji, who proved the Arabism of many scholars falsely attributed to non-Arabs who lived in Central Asia, Khorasan, northern Morocco, and elsewhere, by tracing their genealogy and tribes.
The title of the book for those looking for it to verify the credibility of Dr. Naji Maarouf’s scientific research:
عروبة العلماء المنسوبين إلى البلدان الأعجمية - د.ناجي معروف
The investigator, Dr. Naji Marouf, proved that Khaldun was not knowledgeable in genealogy, and many of the Arab scholars who settled in Khorasan, Central Asia, and northern Morocco were attributed to the Persians, even though they were Arabs and their lineage was known. Their lineage was written by Dr. Naji Marouf in several volumes proving their Arab lineage. Then Dr. Bashar Awad Maarouf, the well-known investigator of the Prophet’s hadiths, confirmed this and renewed the copy.
The anthropologist Saad Al-Soyan also wrote in a distinguished book criticizing the ideas of Ibn Khaldun’s book Al-Muqaddimah regarding the Arab Bedouins, called the Arabian Desert. Dr. Saad Al-Soyan explains the difference between the “Bedouin” and the “primitive” and the reasons for the wrong stereotypical image of the Bedouin Arabs.
Likewise, how did these wrong stereotypes spread? This is the same source of information that Ibn Khaldun obtained, so he also made a mistake.
Many academics copy the words of Ibn Khaldun that most Muslim scholars were Persians, and this is one of the disasters that Western academics copied from Ibn Khaldun. Therefore, we see many professors mentioning that Persians are the majority of Muslim scholars, etc.
Although the majority of Persians were students of Arab scholars in the Umayyad and Abbasid dynasties
It is easy to search for the students of the first Muslim philosophers, namely Al-Kindi, and you will find that his students were Persians. If you searched for Arabic and Islamic sciences, the Persians did not learn these sciences without learning from their Arab teachers. Al-Khalil Al-Farahidi, the grammarian, you will find that his students were Persians, including Sibawayh, who copied his words with a number of students in his book. The famous writers and literary scholars such as Al-Mubarrad were Persian students, and the four jurisprudence scholars, three of whom were Arabs, and the fourth did not learn jurisprudence without Arab scholars or from their teachers.
Therefore, it is wrong to ignore the source from which the Persians learn Arab, Islamic, and cognitive sciences from the countries that embraced them in Damascus and then Baghdad. If the Arabs were a colonial nation, the Persians or non-Arabs would not have learned, but the Muslim Arabs’ mission was to teach humanity, so servants and slaves were taught like the sons of princes.
While in imperial and colonial civilizations, they may not have been able to learn because they had become defeated, and they may only work in agriculture and herding.
When some Western academics simply state that Persians are the majority of Muslim scholars, they ignore the source of their learning, and they ignore this fact, and they ignore that Arab scholars were the founders of much of modern science.
Perhaps this simple observation makes me hope that an Orientalist will study these ideas to correct many of the errors that were copied from Ibn Khaldun’s ideas in Western societies, not only but even in the far Eastern peoples because they are copying Western books with everything in them.
Al-Muqaddimah is not a work of historiography (this is Kitab al-Mubtada', of which al-Muqaddimah is an introduction) but a theory of historical change and social structure. This is why it's not comparable with the works of history that you mentioned such al-Tabari's, which didn't present a coherent theory of society and history. This is why al-Muqaddimah is unique and innovative work.
It seems that you're so offended by Ibn Khaldun's claim that most Muslim scholars were Persian, and you're taking it as a matter of nationalist pride. Regardless whether this claim is right or wrong, it's not an essential part of Ibn Khaldun's theory and if it's false, it doesn't discredit it.
PS. Apparently, you consider Iran and Central Asia to be "more Arab" than Morocco, which is really strange. Most Moroccans are Arabic-speaking and they write in Arabic, so if they consider Ibn Khaldun one of the greatest intellectuals in Arab history, this is not something to dismiss as not Arab.
And one more thing: Ibn Khaldun was popular among Ottoman intellectuals (e.g. Katib Celebi, 17th C), so not only in Morocco or Europe (or Tunisia, his birth place) was he popular.
@@magatouve Al-Muqaddimah is part of Ibn Khaldun’s history book. If you did not know this information, you know it now.
@@عبدالله-ن6ه2ص Apparently your reading ability in English is limited. Look at the very first sentence I wrote, between two brackets like these ( ). What does it say?
This comment is problematic on so many levels.
Also, Ibn Khaldun is known as one of the greatest intellectuals of the Islamic and Arab World.
And it's obvious your English is quiet weak so you might not understand a lot of what you read.
Oh boy ! Those maps are quite controversial for Moroccan and Algerian viewers ahah.
These are illustrative maps only ❤
This is history, borders have changed many times
All this was explained in detail by Plato. In fact both Christianty and Islam are misconception and misrepresentation of Plato. However, Nietzsche goes so far as to say Socrates and Plato were Jews.
Extemely incorrect. Ibn Khaldun doesn't at all plagiarise Plato.
@Ziad3195 I never said he did.
@@JSwift-jq3wn "All this was explained in detail by Plato", what do you mean by that? What does "this" refer to?
Sorry if I misunderstood you.
@Ziad3195 I never denied or undermined Ibne Khaldum's originality. Great minds think alike.
Emir-St✡️in subtle propaganda, we can see you!
explain
Wtf are you talking about
Based on evidence Islam we know today was created by the Abbasids before them Islam we know today did not exist. Thry were ones who crafted many of the hadith collections and compiled them thry also altered many of the events in the past and added new stories and events like the fitna, or the Ridda wars. Prophet Muhammad we know of today we know nothing about his life every thing comes from the Abbasid sources. He wasnt the founder of Islam we know of today and he was likely a legendary figure based of Ilyas Ibn Qabisha, christian preacher and many others these were later merged into one figure. Before the Abbasids there was a Christian sub sect that would later evolve inro the Islam we know of today.
Laughable comment on so many levels.
Even if this is what you believe, this is just a very weak theory not objective fact.