this video isnt serious (still gonna get comments thinking it is LOL) I already made a serious review of the kbd75v2 build in this vid, ua-cam.com/video/Xhi5LfIqSLE/v-deo.html
@@productconsoomer6645 well people who arent from the hobby/community wouldnt really kno i dont blame yall. He meant that there are far more keyboards that are better design, , plate materials it comes with, better mounting style for cheap. its just the trend of hobbies; certain designs and mounting styles gets outdated and newer things pop up.
it is tho, if a keyboard is prebuilt or unmodded its likely to not sound the best, for lack of sound dampening, lubing, shitty low quality plastic, scratchy feel, and that is still evident here with the hollow sound and rattly stabs. Also people bring up the argument of of "custom keeb = shit polling rate" isnt very accurate because it dependson the pbc bought
Sun Tzu wrote his book on modern warfare with a $400 gaming keyboard custom built with custom ABS keycaps. He waited 10 years for German reunification because he needed those limited edition ones dye subbed with Japanese characters to type on.
I have literally used a key board that has all the metal exposed so I would just touch it to connect the circuit.. my fingers hurt after.. there is no tactile feeling. But a key board is a key board
@@germanmurcia394 Ouch. When my keyboard broke and I had to wait for a replacement, I just used the virtual keyboard built into windows. It's sluggish, but it works.
Custom keyboards are more of a hobby, and as a person who makes alot it isnt as much for gaming, and I can see where you are coming from for a gami ng point of view
saying a gamer I can tell you that you're 100% right although as a keyboards enthusiast i will tell you that it's more about building your dream keyboard and choosing the colours, sound and feel that you want i fucking know this video is a joke, just wanted to share my opinion, i can't stand people shitting on me for "not getting the joke"
I would get that but a lot of the ones for sale are way fancier and in way more interesting shapes to where I wouldn't even dream of building my own at this point I just have a main driver that I prefer.
For people who don't know: custom keyboards are expensive because they are small community or small business based projects that often only have one production run. These companies do not benefit from economies of scale and that explains the cost. You can tell me all you want that my split 40% has terrible build quality and shouldn't have cost close to a thousand dollars but there was no other option for me. I had to have that layout. For other people they just absolutely need lubed switches and stabilizers, for others it's about the keycaps. It's less about buying a product and more akin to satiating an addiction. A clack-addiction.
@@Instinct0425 40-55% but Panda41, Neuron, Adelie, Locus, Alpha, p3d minivan, p3d romeo, Fourier, the list goes on haha. What about you?? Really wish I could have joined in on more of the high end 40s that were in gb starting late last year but there will be more.
@@Instinct0425 definitely do! Give it some time when you do as well. My first 40 was a neuron a few months after getting into the hobby, it was too big brain for me and I sold it in like the first month of having it. Then ended up using only 40s and regretting selling it 😭
the gaming keyboard is not bad, you’re right! i used a razer huntsman for a couple years and i enjoyed it, but the keyboard i built myself i enjoyed far more. it’s all about preference and if you build it yourself you can create the best keyboard experience you could imagine for yourself.
If you buy truly good products and go digging a little and add foam, tape and lube e.t.c you'll 3nd up with a keyboard better than any razer keyboard for $200, I should know, I do this for a living 😂
It’s the same with musical instruments, law of diminishing returns. A $10k custom guitar does not sound 10 times better than a $1000 guitar. The reason why customs are expensive is cos of production cost and it’s niche-ness. Out of all keyboard users, majority are using membrane keyboards. Out of the minority using mechanical, majority are just gonna use a pre-built as they’re cheaper. So with that small market using mechanical + custom parts, production cost is definitely higher and not many people around to buy, so they have no choice to amp up the price tag to stay afloat. PS: to those saying I can’t compare music instruments with keyboards, note that I’m just comparing specific attributes. That’s like saying “lemon is sour like lime” is wrong. If you can’t draw parallel between things, you can shove it up your -
Wait how is this a case of diminishing returns? Customs just cost more cause the production costs are higher, mass produced products will always be cheaper than custom made ones
@@Cer049 think about it. between a $20 and a $200 keyboard, most people can agree that the $200 keyboard will offer quite a lot in return. But as you reach $400 and beyond, majority of the differences are barely noticeable. Sounds very similar to audiophile equipment, except that audiophile's diminishing returns are even more noticeable. In fact I actually prefer my mechanical keyboard to have "mainstream features" like "wireless bluetooth" or "working function keys out of the box" which the ultra expensive keyboards sadly never offers other than "sound" or "premium-feeling". And yes high production cost plays a role. But because the manufacturers also know that since most people are unwilling to spend on these expensive parts, they have no choice but to market it to an enthusiast crowd and amped up the prices even higher to recoup.
@@Cer049 it's diminishing returns cuz there are actually things you can do to improve the sound and feel of your keyboard. Lubing, getting better stabs, foam, better switches, etc. Once you get past that you're mostly paying for aesthetics
Jokes aside tho, the prebuilt doesn’t sound too bad the stabs have been tuned somewhat nicely and, with the equipment boardzy is using there isn’t substantial scratchiness pretty impressed for a gaming keyboard
@@jayox6449 probably not tbh, but with the equipment he’s using, I dont think I can hear a major difference. No substantial rattle from mods on my ears
@@Zekrom3150 that's fair, the apex seems pretty good tbh but the space bar always a dead giveaway imo. The amount of tic is way too annoying, may aswell have a blue switch under that space bar also the shift key kind of rattly. Probably on par with a gk61.
@@jayox6449 very fair! I personally can’t really tell but that might be because of the video itself, thoo I can start to hear the hollowness and pinginess from both mods and alphas. I haven’t used apex before so I can’t say from experience unfortunately
Bruhhhh, not even if you play a high competitve level LMAO, yo could be top 10 in any with a shit keyboard. Keyboards are not about how good they make you at something, but the feel of them, how you customize them to fit your style. But you clearly do not understand this.
To be honest, as a keyboard creator myself, custom boards don’t effect performance. A razer board with mechanical switches will perform the same. It’s all about hobby and customization, as well as overall quality. I’d rather have a solid aluminum board that sounds absolutely amazing and fits my personal color preference than a typical gaming keyboard.
The prebuilts have the advantage of being a company that mass produces these keyboards. So the costs go down per individual unit when they mass-produce them, ergo the custom keyboards are more expensive.
I'd still prefer the custom though, it's about being able to customize the aesthetic for yourself and to get the best experience. Even at the same price a custom keyboard would be better because of the above. I'm not a pro level gamer anymore so i don't need the 1ms response times or whatever
@@hansmoran1219 Why''d you say even at the same price? That would put the custom keyboard at an advantage since usually it's much more expensive. Gonna be honest I don't see why it's $300 more expensive than my G Pro keyboard
@@hansmoran1219 I'd prefer it too, but the cheapest decent at best custom keyboards go way over 100-150 bucks, and really good ones go well over 200, spending that money on a keyboard is personally a waste You can still buy fairly good hot swappable keyboards for ~100 bucks and change switches and caps
I built a 65% for $220 all in (saved on keycaps) and it has been way better for me than an OTB mechanical. That said, I program a lot and am constantly working on documents as well as gaming, so having a setup with feedback for typing, but nice motion for gaming was worth the premium for me. Find what works, and for most, an OTB keyboard is more than enough and might be overkill
@@MonteBond8 Oh, thanks, that makes sense. Another acronym I constantly see for this kind of thing is "COTS", for "commercial, off the shelf"... But that also kinda fails in some ways, mechanical keyboards got so popular there are quite a few "niche" options out there that aren't truly custom, but aren't mass produced either. Some mass market models can have quite a few customization features and end up being more "customizable" than some niche, one-off 100 unit production run / group buy. Trying to draw a line can end up being quite arbitrary.
I wonder when "custom keyboards" will provide firmware that is able to achieve low latency. Some of which I have tested where way higher then what is sold theese days in the gaming sector.
The mechanical keyboard hobby is somewhat similar to other hobbies I've had in the past and the prevailing thing I noticed in all of those is that since a lot of people aren't willing to spend more for arguably "better" quality, companies can control the prices of their products without affecting much of their demand. To my understanding, the demand isn't affected by the increased price because the market isn't as competitive compared to other products. In the end of the day, I hope other people don't scoff at the idea of hobbyists spending relatively insane amounts of money on something they view as miniscule or irrelevant. Edit: I also get this video was a joke, I am just expressing my thoughts.
As a mech keyb enthusiast myself, the way a $400 keyb can sound/feel worse than a run of the mill gaming keyboard is that it’s preference. Just because something is expensive or custom doesn’t mean it’s gonna be better or you’re gonna like it better. I say a budget keyb that you love to use is better than an expensive one that you end up hating.
Currently waiting for switches to get here to build my own. You can honestly get the full custom experience for less then 200 if youre willing to build it yourself. Glad you like your membrane but I cant stand mine
Honestly the reason it sounds mostly the same is because of the simple fact they are both tray mounts. Now there is a new version of the kbd75 which comes in a top mount config. Which in my opinion is one of the best mounting styles out there because it sounds very consistent.
It's not all about the sound, it's also about the general material and quality of the keyboard. For example a car, you can put the best engine in a cheap as car and it will still go fast but you can buy a very expensive car that has a nice interior
i think of custom keyboards more as putting a spoiler on your car, it looks cool, but there’s a 99,999% chance it won’t be of actual use for you. I have a custom built myself because i like the hobby but eh i had some cheap ass HP membrane keyboard before this for 16 years and the only reason i replaced it is because there’s no longer ps/2 connections on motherboards. The quality can definitely feel better but i don’t think it’ll matter at all in the long run
It's like the difference between an aio and a custom loop. The difference in terms of temperature isn't so noticeable (an aio will do you more than enough), but custom loops allow you to make it look like you want and you have the experience of building it, which is nice, but you pay a lot more for it. So is it worth it ? It depends on who you ask
I used to use a custom kbd67 lite with lubed c3 tangerines switches and I thought it was as smooth as it gets but then I used hall effect switches and the way I perceived reality completely changed.
Something something economies of scale, despite how it seems in the enthusiast community, custom keyboards are far more niche than prebuilts, so it’ll just cost more unfortunately.
I've never understood the whole obsession with keyboards, I've gamed for years on like a $80 Corsair keyboard and mouse combo, Its not mechanical, and I don't really care it feels fine and isn't loud. And has got probably 10-12 hours of gaming a week for the last 5 or 6 years.
It's like cars, some people don't need or want anything more than a Toyota Corolla Some of us like fancy, strange, or custom stuff because it's what satisfies us.
I wanted a keyboard with a nice keycap set, Zealios V2 switches (one of the best tactile switches around. Cherry browns feel like pressing on cardboard in comparison), and a full keyboard layout. That last part in combination with the 5 pin switches meant that my options were comically limited. The only kit I found that would fit my standards had to be shipped from Korea at a premium. My keyboard ended up costing more than a midrange pc. But, it's what I wanted, so that's ok.
I mean if you tried a good custom mechanical keyboard your opinion might change. Basically custom mechanical keyboards just feel better to use and there are many switch choices so you can choose your spring weight, linear or tactile, whether the switch is silent and also the sound of the board
Some prebuilts are genuinely great for the price. I've had two Dieryka Keyboards and so far, they've been awesome, one with Outemu Browns, the other with Gateron Reds. After lubing them, they sound great, but even without any mods, they still sound decent, though don't expect to be blown away by the stabs. Still, Custom Keyboards are definitely a hobby, and if you're passionate about it, you definitely won't care about what others say.
Lol been playing membrane for 10 years with 2 of them esports and it never let me down once… people are creating hype over mirages forgetting that hardware reacts way faster and more reliably than their own body. But hey, money’s here to buy things so might as well be a keyboard.
Custom keyboards nowadays don't care about functionality. Tons of people know that if they want a smooth, durable and reliable keyboard, they should get a hall effects or a optical keyboard. Most custom keyboards nowadays only focuses on the aesthetics of the board more than actual feel or functionality. That is why you can see in the market it's focused on things like the board's materials, colours and looks. Heck, people literally only cared about looks so much that they released the same fucking switches with different colours for them with little to minute changes and called it a new thing.
Yeah and that $200 keyboard is functionally the same as a 20 dollar membrane keyboard. The whole appeal of a "custom" keyboard is in the configuration. Choosing case material and design, size, layout, switches, pcb, case foam material, key caps etc. It just happens that buying those components individually is more expensive given the economy of scale. There is no conspiracy.
I'm a sonography student, I have to type on a freaking mushy glob during scans so I always look forward to my lovely Jelly Epoch to keep me sane again.
Been gaming on a $20 rgb keyboard for almost a year and a half and I've had no issues. plus I play with headphones so I really don't pay attention to typing sounds, even browsing.
I love my wooting!! Take advantage of controller input, rapid trigger, changing activation on per key basis, changing how the keys individually work, love it
For those you took this seriously and agreed Custom gives you better control over what parts go into it and often gives you access to more features for cheaper (also the ひらがな keys would probably slightly increase the price but I don't know anyone who types with raw kana input over IME)
I've brought the Mountain Everest Max prebuild keyboard with cherry mx red and custom doubleshot PBT keycaps lubed with Krytox 205G0 for around $290 in total and it's miles better then other custom keyboards along with a lot of extra features that is essential to me now after using it.
@@CarolynEmory420 ya every mechanical one I've had is very loud. This one is silent and durable and I like it but I understand some people prefer the mechanicals
I spend $543 on my custom keyboard that I put together my self. It takes time to lube and put it together, and at the end is so satisfying, and also weighs more than any prebuilt.
When I got my first custom keyboard I was amazed at how much better it was than brand gaming keyboards. Never knew a keyboard could feel or sound so good.
Razer huntsman v1 TE owner here. I love they keyboard community, it's a hobby thing, I love seeing the designs people make because they're genuinely passionate about the hobby and they hear the difference because they listen. It's like audiophiles. They hear the differences in headphones and mics that no one else does because they listen. I personally don't really care because I have a wicked fast opto-mechanical keyboard with relatively smooth linears. It's good enough for me, but some people want more. They want custom caps and lubed switches that they can't get prebuilt and thoccs and Japanese legends. Some steel series keyboards have analog switches with adjustable actuation sliders but the keyboard community prefers making something of their own. That's all there really is to it. It's just a hobby
"I printed it that's how you know I'm serious" reminds me of the time I printed off endless copies to Dwight schrute with the cpr dummies face and posted them all over the house I rented with a friend. Which bear is best?
I love watching boardzy as a gamer. As a keeb enthusiast tho, you need to build one yourself to enjoy it fully. Kinda like mice where you need to try the switches to understand what you want. There’s more to it but like he said, it’s not a serious vid.
I had bad experiences with prebuilt gaming keyboards from razor and other gaming companies, so I bought a custom keyboard and it has been working flawlessly for almost 3 years already, worth every penny.
@@jimmyngo2191 I need to learn how to set it up and it doesnt matter anyway a good keyboard vs a great one has minimal difference in terms of performance aesthetically the custom ones are usually so bad with their rgb lighting app being so standard.
i mean to be fair, none of the mainstream keyboards are bad, like almost no one would be upset with an upgrade from membrane to mx browns. it's the custom stuff that's practically it's own entire market.
I mean i have a 250$ one and im pretty satisfied with the resaults :) But yeah i think anything more than that is pretty much a waste :/ Not saying mine isnt but it gives me a nice feeling while playing so :)
As someone who has custom keyboard hobby for a while, really expensive boards are usually more desired for the hype than the actual typing experience, looks, etc.
basicly. looks, sound, response, feel. if one feels worse in any of these ways, an upgrade can be used to make it better, if one of these is worse in one, it can be upgraded
I know this is a joke, but yeah, it's all personal preference, like the audiophile world and whatever the word is for people who are super serious about picture quality. I'm kind of a light audiophile. I have a very particular sound profile that I like. Thankfully it's not ridiculously expensive (around 300 to 400 dollars for total equipment) like some setups. My SO is much less picky about her sound and the only reason her setup costs around $100 is because she wanted decent comfort and I bought her a set that were comfortable and not likely to break. She's happy and I'm happy. I find that so many people get sucked into enthusiast worlds because of hype and not because of being dissatisfied with their current equipment or because of general interest. They don't think to examine whether they're actually satisfied, and the community just says what the like and the sales people eat it up. It's getting better as far as the community goes but it's still problematic and ends up with a lot of wasted money for not much perceptual gain for the customer. So yeah, no matter how much the keyboard enthusiast warriors get onto you for using rubber domes, if you don't have any problem with them, then don't give into the hype and pressure of mechanical keyboards. You will save a lot of money by not buying something you probably aren't the customer for.
I know it's not serious video but for people who actually don't understand why so many people prefer custom keyboards over gaming ones, it's mostly about sound, feel and quality. Most gaming keyboards have wobbly and extremely loud stabilisers, cheap scratchy switches and are hollow inside which gives them unpleasant hollow sound (there are other problems like cheap ABS keycaps but these are three most important) and cost 180USD, with custom keyboard you can get Keychron V1 (barebones goes for around 65usd is wireless, has silicone pad inside and foam on top of PCB to remove hollowness and has hotswap PBC meaning you don't have to use soldering iron to swap switches). Then you can buy gateron milky yellow switches (imo one of the best linear switches out there) for around 25usd for 70 switches (it should be enough for keychron V1), set of durock v2 stabilisers for 20USD and some krytox 205g0 lube for both stabs and switches for 10USD , one switch opener for like 3USD and some PBT dye sub keycaps (prices of cheaper ones range from 20-40USD depending on set) and you get amazing sounding keyboard for around 140-180USD that you can mod to improve it's feeling and sound with mods like tempest mod, PE mod, force break mod or any other mod you want. TL:DR you actually pay less to get better keyboard than corsair, razer, steelseries or hyperX
Basically if you are only after a keyboard for gaming don’t ever go to the rabbit hole of custom built keyboards. Sometimes latency can be a problem too which other gaming keyboards are made for
Custom even looks better and sounds better 🤓 Whats my favourite switch? Oh it's uhhhh holy panda 🤓, yeah also mx brown bad Lol get it it's because Glarses said so🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓
*Me with my 30$ Logitech silent keyboard and mouse combo*: haha relatable. For some reason i keep watching these videos even though i have no intention of buying another keyboard, much less of making one.
Wow, boardzy. Your sense of joke is amazing as always. You're my go-to youtuber whenever I inquire validation in form of opinions in anything related to gaming appliance/keyboard, very cool /s
switches are replaced and lubed, then some mods are added. not to mention keycaps are a bit pricey. some spray paint the casing so that's extra $$. also there's a labor fee. 400$ sure is expensive for a keyboard but the high quality ones are pricier.
As a custom keyboard enthusiast myself, I can say you just flat out got scammed, watch some videos and do it yourself next time, the person who made your custom, did not know what to get, and did not know what they were doing.
Custom keyboards are very subjective. IMO what may seem to be shit keeb for others is actually another person's GOAT keeb. I just knew since a lot of people still tries to talk me out about how low profile keebs are shit while I love them for comfort. It's not about getting the most expensive thing the store can offer, it's just more about the experience. It has become an expensive hobby too since people are always trying to find where they can feel comfortable about. That is especially true for me since I spend more than half of my day on my PC both for work and gaming. For me it's like picking the best tool that just goes well with my small 5-year old like hands who types like a t-rex.
Gaming keyboard is fine if you can ignore the rattly spacebars and low quality thin keycaps. However now there are options from epomaker/Yunzii/Keychron that blow every prebuilt gaming keyboard out of the water for the same price and sometimes as low as half the price. There is no real reason to ever buy a Logitech/steelseries/razer/asus keyboard now.
If y’all want a cheap %60 full mechanical keyboard “swapable switches” “Rgb”highly recommend the red dragon k617 retail price last time I checked was around $45 or can even be found for cheaper. perfect for beginners or even the average pc gamer
this video isnt serious (still gonna get comments thinking it is LOL) I already made a serious review of the kbd75v2 build in this vid, ua-cam.com/video/Xhi5LfIqSLE/v-deo.html
@pploobs well i guess im not reading that
@pploobs It's a fucking keyboard. How can it be outdated.
@@productconsoomer6645 well people who arent from the hobby/community wouldnt really kno i dont blame yall. He meant that there are far more keyboards that are better design, , plate materials it comes with, better mounting style for cheap. its just the trend of hobbies; certain designs and mounting styles gets outdated and newer things pop up.
@pploobs hard agree. paying over $200 for a tray mount kind of eh nowadays
@@ProjectPandora23 I wonder what makes you think tray mount is that bad in the first place?
But it’s prebuilt so bad
-sun tzu, art of being a pc gamer
ah yes, sun tzu, pro gamer
it is tho, if a keyboard is prebuilt or unmodded its likely to not sound the best, for lack of sound dampening, lubing, shitty low quality plastic, scratchy feel, and that is still evident here with the hollow sound and rattly stabs. Also people bring up the argument of of "custom keeb = shit polling rate" isnt very accurate because it dependson the pbc bought
Sun Tzu wrote his book on modern warfare with a $400 gaming keyboard custom built with custom ABS keycaps. He waited 10 years for German reunification because he needed those limited edition ones dye subbed with Japanese characters to type on.
@@weishi5286 yes
@@ravencl lmao when you're so deep down the rabbit hole you're in denial.
And then there is me, who is literally just "Keyboard is keyboard".
I have literally used a key board that has all the metal exposed so I would just touch it to connect the circuit.. my fingers hurt after.. there is no tactile feeling. But a key board is a key board
@@germanmurcia394 Ouch. When my keyboard broke and I had to wait for a replacement, I just used the virtual keyboard built into windows. It's sluggish, but it works.
@@germanmurcia394 that is a budget budget keyboard
I'm using a 9$ keyboard for 10 years 😌🔫⌨️
I've used razer shit for years and years aboit 6 years back I changed to Logitech all around and cannot tell the difference.
Custom keyboards are more of a hobby, and as a person who makes alot it isnt as much for gaming, and I can see where you are coming from for a gami
ng point of view
he was joking anyway lol, he has multiple custom boards
@@Qixo_ if I remember correctly he only has 2
Pretty sure he made 1 and got sent 2, the 2 were the bakeneko and the kbd75
Why
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@@waterbottler2761 you mean the baconator60 ?
You know this video is serious when he printed the Discord Chat
for real
blud leaked the discord group chat fr fr
Then he’s probably right
Not the discord 🤣
Lol true.
saying a gamer I can tell you that you're 100% right although as a keyboards enthusiast i will tell you that it's more about building your dream keyboard and choosing the colours, sound and feel that you want
i fucking know this video is a joke, just wanted to share my opinion, i can't stand people shitting on me for "not getting the joke"
Its a joke
@@David242Rblx they sound the same tho
@@rayloc4111 cause the $400 isnt fucking lubed and u can tell the switches are most likely low quality including the overall build
@@unordinary2715 dude you're so upset about this it's not even your keyboard.
I would get that but a lot of the ones for sale are way fancier and in way more interesting shapes to where I wouldn't even dream of building my own at this point I just have a main driver that I prefer.
For people who don't know: custom keyboards are expensive because they are small community or small business based projects that often only have one production run. These companies do not benefit from economies of scale and that explains the cost.
You can tell me all you want that my split 40% has terrible build quality and shouldn't have cost close to a thousand dollars but there was no other option for me. I had to have that layout. For other people they just absolutely need lubed switches and stabilizers, for others it's about the keycaps. It's less about buying a product and more akin to satiating an addiction. A clack-addiction.
40% gang ayy
ayy what board you got?
@@Instinct0425 40-55% but Panda41, Neuron, Adelie, Locus, Alpha, p3d minivan, p3d romeo, Fourier, the list goes on haha. What about you?? Really wish I could have joined in on more of the high end 40s that were in gb starting late last year but there will be more.
@@theacademyisntt i don’t have any 40s… *yet…* but i just really love them. thinking about getting corne and or reviung
@@Instinct0425 definitely do! Give it some time when you do as well. My first 40 was a neuron a few months after getting into the hobby, it was too big brain for me and I sold it in like the first month of having it. Then ended up using only 40s and regretting selling it 😭
the gaming keyboard is not bad, you’re right! i used a razer huntsman for a couple years and i enjoyed it, but the keyboard i built myself i enjoyed far more. it’s all about preference and if you build it yourself you can create the best keyboard experience you could imagine for yourself.
Its a joke bro
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You need to lube those switches, they sound so bad...
@@zdaito10 no its just saying that he has a point lol
@@umuuuu he said it was
"Custom keyboards are a waste of money"
We know. We buy them anyway.
Give this person a Grammy.
Absolutely based
If you buy truly good products and go digging a little and add foam, tape and lube e.t.c you'll 3nd up with a keyboard better than any razer keyboard for $200, I should know, I do this for a living 😂
@@jamiewelman Sounds like bias to me!
They sound and feel fire tho, gaming keyboards are more of a waste of money because they are the same thing but cheaper stuff
It’s the same with musical instruments, law of diminishing returns. A $10k custom guitar does not sound 10 times better than a $1000 guitar. The reason why customs are expensive is cos of production cost and it’s niche-ness.
Out of all keyboard users, majority are using membrane keyboards. Out of the minority using mechanical, majority are just gonna use a pre-built as they’re cheaper. So with that small market using mechanical + custom parts, production cost is definitely higher and not many people around to buy, so they have no choice to amp up the price tag to stay afloat.
PS: to those saying I can’t compare music instruments with keyboards, note that I’m just comparing specific attributes. That’s like saying “lemon is sour like lime” is wrong. If you can’t draw parallel between things, you can shove it up your -
Wait how is this a case of diminishing returns? Customs just cost more cause the production costs are higher, mass produced products will always be cheaper than custom made ones
@@Cer049 think about it. between a $20 and a $200 keyboard, most people can agree that the $200 keyboard will offer quite a lot in return. But as you reach $400 and beyond, majority of the differences are barely noticeable.
Sounds very similar to audiophile equipment, except that audiophile's diminishing returns are even more noticeable.
In fact I actually prefer my mechanical keyboard to have "mainstream features" like "wireless bluetooth" or "working function keys out of the box" which the ultra expensive keyboards sadly never offers other than "sound" or "premium-feeling".
And yes high production cost plays a role. But because the manufacturers also know that since most people are unwilling to spend on these expensive parts, they have no choice but to market it to an enthusiast crowd and amped up the prices even higher to recoup.
@@Cer049 it's diminishing returns cuz there are actually things you can do to improve the sound and feel of your keyboard. Lubing, getting better stabs, foam, better switches, etc. Once you get past that you're mostly paying for aesthetics
@@Cer049 Did you even read the comment?
@@Cer049 Try literally reading the comment you’re replying to
Jokes aside tho, the prebuilt doesn’t sound too bad the stabs have been tuned somewhat nicely and, with the equipment boardzy is using there isn’t substantial scratchiness pretty impressed for a gaming keyboard
I don't understand how you hear those stabs and think they are tuned
@@jayox6449 probably not tbh, but with the equipment he’s using, I dont think I can hear a major difference. No substantial rattle from mods on my ears
@@Zekrom3150 that's fair, the apex seems pretty good tbh but the space bar always a dead giveaway imo. The amount of tic is way too annoying, may aswell have a blue switch under that space bar also the shift key kind of rattly. Probably on par with a gk61.
@@jayox6449 very fair! I personally can’t really tell but that might be because of the video itself, thoo I can start to hear the hollowness and pinginess from both mods and alphas. I haven’t used apex before so I can’t say from experience unfortunately
Its called law of diminishing return (if im not wrong)
Me: it works, it is cheap, and it even glows, me buy.
I literally bought a $20 mechanical keyboard. To glows, stupidly loud, a little mushy, but for $20 I think it’s very good
@@Anti-Rizz585 Game Onn Mechanical Keyboard?
@@surfbird2494 I’m not that insane. I have another board for that. This one is to mod because I never have done a mod to one.
@@Anti-Rizz585 e yoosoo?
@@felixsubakti6907 actually yeah. Not claiming it’s like “OMG THIS IS THE BEST” but for the price, can you really complain?
This video is always coming as a short recommendation..It's perfect
Unless you play at a highly competitive pro league level, I don’t want to hear anyone complain about an 180$ keyboard
The 180 dolla one is good the 400 dolla one is ☆ C U S T O M ☆
Bruhhhh, not even if you play a high competitve level LMAO, yo could be top 10 in any with a shit keyboard.
Keyboards are not about how good they make you at something, but the feel of them, how you customize them to fit your style. But you clearly do not understand this.
To be honest, as a keyboard creator myself, custom boards don’t effect performance. A razer board with mechanical switches will perform the same. It’s all about hobby and customization, as well as overall quality. I’d rather have a solid aluminum board that sounds absolutely amazing and fits my personal color preference than a typical gaming keyboard.
@@ghoulboards keyboards with 8k polling would be nice
Bet you play at high competitive pro levels
The prebuilts have the advantage of being a company that mass produces these keyboards. So the costs go down per individual unit when they mass-produce them, ergo the custom keyboards are more expensive.
I'd still prefer the custom though, it's about being able to customize the aesthetic for yourself and to get the best experience. Even at the same price a custom keyboard would be better because of the above. I'm not a pro level gamer anymore so i don't need the 1ms response times or whatever
@@hansmoran1219 Why''d you say even at the same price? That would put the custom keyboard at an advantage since usually it's much more expensive. Gonna be honest I don't see why it's $300 more expensive than my G Pro keyboard
@@haileyabley6731 r u slow
Hans Moran There are plenty of hot-swappable prebuilt keyboards for ~$100.
@@hansmoran1219 I'd prefer it too, but the cheapest decent at best custom keyboards go way over 100-150 bucks, and really good ones go well over 200, spending that money on a keyboard is personally a waste
You can still buy fairly good hot swappable keyboards for ~100 bucks and change switches and caps
I was about to say your first issue was buying a 400 dollar keyboard-
yea everyone knows the good keyboards are 600+
he doesnt understand
@@burritos447 why would anyone want to pay 600+ dollars for typing thingy
@@burritos447 Tell me you're joking 😰
@@toradolcats8846 does sarcasm just fly above everyone's head nowadays?
as a person who likes keyboards we usually go;
"wow thock"
"me love thock"
"me buy"
"I am 4k dollars in debt"
"thock"
"again!"
ha ha ha ha ha! Again!
ha ha ha ha ha! Again!
(my bank account is suffering)
"$180 keyboard"
Damm i my chromebook is only $150
Me my keyboards 20 bucks
Hm ok My keyboard 130 pesos
"i printed out the specs"
*Shows print*
Lmfao
And what?
He printed it out and showed it
Seeing the specs I can tell that this video is real
"they profit off of your financial demise"
you got it wrong again boardzy, they are our financial demise
I built a 65% for $220 all in (saved on keycaps) and it has been way better for me than an OTB mechanical. That said, I program a lot and am constantly working on documents as well as gaming, so having a setup with feedback for typing, but nice motion for gaming was worth the premium for me. Find what works, and for most, an OTB keyboard is more than enough and might be overkill
What's OTB keyboard?
@kubasniak might've got the acronym wrong, but it means out the box (like a logitech, Corsair, etc... with mech keys)
@@MonteBond8 Oh, thanks, that makes sense. Another acronym I constantly see for this kind of thing is "COTS", for "commercial, off the shelf"...
But that also kinda fails in some ways, mechanical keyboards got so popular there are quite a few "niche" options out there that aren't truly custom, but aren't mass produced either.
Some mass market models can have quite a few customization features and end up being more "customizable" than some niche, one-off 100 unit production run / group buy. Trying to draw a line can end up being quite arbitrary.
I've built some customs, but I've been impressed by some of the gaming boards coming out lately. The SteelSeries' fancy switches are super smooth.
wooting lekker switches
Varmilo is awesome too
I wonder when "custom keyboards" will provide firmware that is able to achieve low latency. Some of which I have tested where way higher then what is sold theese days in the gaming sector.
@@lostintechnology1851 thats not exactly something that a driver or software could fix. Its comes down to proccesors and MoBo architecture.
@@jordaneimer2873 Well I fixed it for me when I changed the polling rate in the qmk software
The mechanical keyboard hobby is somewhat similar to other hobbies I've had in the past and the prevailing thing I noticed in all of those is that since a lot of people aren't willing to spend more for arguably "better" quality, companies can control the prices of their products without affecting much of their demand. To my understanding, the demand isn't affected by the increased price because the market isn't as competitive compared to other products.
In the end of the day, I hope other people don't scoff at the idea of hobbyists spending relatively insane amounts of money on something they view as miniscule or irrelevant.
Edit: I also get this video was a joke, I am just expressing my thoughts.
You're right it is insane.
@Zeke Solomon What does wanting a light up or clicky keyboard have to do with that?
@@R3ub3n dude tornado sirens and fire alarms are hobbys man even someone who collects premium pens.... so ofc keyboards are a hell of a hobby
As a mech keyb enthusiast myself, the way a $400 keyb can sound/feel worse than a run of the mill gaming keyboard is that it’s preference. Just because something is expensive or custom doesn’t mean it’s gonna be better or you’re gonna like it better. I say a budget keyb that you love to use is better than an expensive one that you end up hating.
Been using a $20 membrane keyboard for about 8 years now, the W and D keys are starting to get mushy but other than that it's still fine
same happened to my kb, except the part that it's only 2 yo
I hate the feel of membranes
That’s the way to go, use whatever the hell you want and be happy with your choice
Currently waiting for switches to get here to build my own. You can honestly get the full custom experience for less then 200 if youre willing to build it yourself. Glad you like your membrane but I cant stand mine
I bought that Havit keyboard and Mouse combo from Amazon last year and I love it the since since the day I got it
Honestly the reason it sounds mostly the same is because of the simple fact they are both tray mounts. Now there is a new version of the kbd75 which comes in a top mount config. Which in my opinion is one of the best mounting styles out there because it sounds very consistent.
It was a joke video but thanks for the information! (I've been thinking about getting a kbd75; this was helpful information)
It's not all about the sound, it's also about the general material and quality of the keyboard. For example a car, you can put the best engine in a cheap as car and it will still go fast but you can buy a very expensive car that has a nice interior
i think of custom keyboards more as putting a spoiler on your car, it looks cool, but there’s a 99,999% chance it won’t be of actual use for you. I have a custom built myself because i like the hobby but eh i had some cheap ass HP membrane keyboard before this for 16 years and the only reason i replaced it is because there’s no longer ps/2 connections on motherboards. The quality can definitely feel better but i don’t think it’ll matter at all in the long run
@@neek01 true
Bad explanation lol I like the reiers post more it makes sense
It's like the difference between an aio and a custom loop. The difference in terms of temperature isn't so noticeable (an aio will do you more than enough), but custom loops allow you to make it look like you want and you have the experience of building it, which is nice, but you pay a lot more for it. So is it worth it ? It depends on who you ask
I used to use a custom kbd67 lite with lubed c3 tangerines switches and I thought it was as smooth as it gets but then I used hall effect switches and the way I perceived reality completely changed.
Best comment
Jesus Christ, The Most based man here, congrats.
Bruh that pfp, man I need the sauce for research
You were never the same after that
had to pay a college fund for it /;
Something something economies of scale, despite how it seems in the enthusiast community, custom keyboards are far more niche than prebuilts, so it’ll just cost more unfortunately.
I've never understood the whole obsession with keyboards, I've gamed for years on like a $80 Corsair keyboard and mouse combo, Its not mechanical, and I don't really care it feels fine and isn't loud. And has got probably 10-12 hours of gaming a week for the last 5 or 6 years.
It's like cars, some people don't need or want anything more than a Toyota Corolla
Some of us like fancy, strange, or custom stuff because it's what satisfies us.
I wanted a keyboard with a nice keycap set, Zealios V2 switches (one of the best tactile switches around. Cherry browns feel like pressing on cardboard in comparison), and a full keyboard layout. That last part in combination with the 5 pin switches meant that my options were comically limited. The only kit I found that would fit my standards had to be shipped from Korea at a premium.
My keyboard ended up costing more than a midrange pc. But, it's what I wanted, so that's ok.
@@electr0arc I feel your pain, 100%s hurt the wallet
guys, his safe, dont try to convince him
I mean if you tried a good custom mechanical keyboard your opinion might change. Basically custom mechanical keyboards just feel better to use and there are many switch choices so you can choose your spring weight, linear or tactile, whether the switch is silent and also the sound of the board
The only thing that makes it worth is knowing you're getting a particular typing experience, but 99% of people just want a keyboard that works.
a lot of it is about the experience and enjoyment of making it. There's something satisfying about building one with high quality pieces
Some prebuilts are genuinely great for the price. I've had two Dieryka Keyboards and so far, they've been awesome, one with Outemu Browns, the other with Gateron Reds. After lubing them, they sound great, but even without any mods, they still sound decent, though don't expect to be blown away by the stabs. Still, Custom Keyboards are definitely a hobby, and if you're passionate about it, you definitely won't care about what others say.
I love mine, but the stabilizers are complete ass tbh
@@spagootest2185 I agree
Love how you have the specs on discord 😂
As long as it's not membrane or blue keys I'm okay with it.
Membrane is good
Don't you dare besmirch my clickys!
@@muddystick🌈 linear ✨ 🌈 tactile ✨
@@gladiatorgamer9502 no
Lol been playing membrane for 10 years with 2 of them esports and it never let me down once… people are creating hype over mirages forgetting that hardware reacts way faster and more reliably than their own body. But hey, money’s here to buy things so might as well be a keyboard.
Custom keyboards nowadays don't care about functionality. Tons of people know that if they want a smooth, durable and reliable keyboard, they should get a hall effects or a optical keyboard.
Most custom keyboards nowadays only focuses on the aesthetics of the board more than actual feel or functionality. That is why you can see in the market it's focused on things like the board's materials, colours and looks.
Heck, people literally only cared about looks so much that they released the same fucking switches with different colours for them with little to minute changes and called it a new thing.
what functionality does gaming keyboard have
Yeah and that $200 keyboard is functionally the same as a 20 dollar membrane keyboard.
The whole appeal of a "custom" keyboard is in the configuration. Choosing case material and design, size, layout, switches, pcb, case foam material, key caps etc.
It just happens that buying those components individually is more expensive given the economy of scale.
There is no conspiracy.
Mad
I'm a sonography student, I have to type on a freaking mushy glob during scans so I always look forward to my lovely Jelly Epoch to keep me sane again.
You get on that custom Steno though? Thing is pretty nice for practice.
Been gaming on a $20 rgb keyboard for almost a year and a half and I've had no issues. plus I play with headphones so I really don't pay attention to typing sounds, even browsing.
I love my wooting!! Take advantage of controller input, rapid trigger, changing activation on per key basis, changing how the keys individually work, love it
its usually in the stabilizers + customizability. its a cool project building your own keyboard!
Yes, you're absolutely correct. Diminishing returns hit fast af
For those you took this seriously and agreed
Custom gives you better control over what parts go into it and often gives you access to more features for cheaper (also the ひらがな keys would probably slightly increase the price but I don't know anyone who types with raw kana input over IME)
They make for really good paper weights. Because truth be told, I only type on 2 boards. The rest are just there to look good.
As a custom keyboard nerd, I have to say you're not wrong lol.
I've brought the Mountain Everest Max prebuild keyboard with cherry mx red and custom doubleshot PBT keycaps lubed with Krytox 205G0 for around $290 in total and it's miles better then other custom keyboards along with a lot of extra features that is essential to me now after using it.
The point of custom keyboards is preference not that it’s just magically better but you can make it as subjectively “good” as you would like it to be
I've had expensive keyboards and cheap ones. My favorite is a 20$ one from Wal-Mart
What brand
@@cattile1085 I use the steelseries apex 100 keyboard it is 25 dollars at wal-mart
@@ILCPokeAlex I had that one it’s okay but it’s not good it’s not even mechanical
@@CarolynEmory420 ya every mechanical one I've had is very loud. This one is silent and durable and I like it but I understand some people prefer the mechanicals
@@ILCPokeAlex yeah that’s understandable the switches you were using we’re probably not lubed up too with bad key caps it would be really bad
Honestly the keyboard community it good at silencing the spring and adding a cool custom design. Tbh you have to have a liner switch to really feel it
I spend $543 on my custom keyboard that I put together my self. It takes time to lube and put it together, and at the end is so satisfying, and also weighs more than any prebuilt.
thats sad
bruh, imagine paying $543 for a keyboard the most I've spent is about $200-230
@@extortin nigga you’re not any better😂
@@mykellharris1 that’s what I’m saying 💀💀
@@extortin and that's any better? Lol
When I got my first custom keyboard I was amazed at how much better it was than brand gaming keyboards. Never knew a keyboard could feel or sound so good.
to be fair, the wooting is a fucking amazing keyboard
"they sound the same!"
proceeds to smash keycaps into the frame
Literarly anyone does that. Only psychopath care for this.
*cries in rattled gamer prebuilt stabs*
Razer huntsman v1 TE owner here. I love they keyboard community, it's a hobby thing, I love seeing the designs people make because they're genuinely passionate about the hobby and they hear the difference because they listen. It's like audiophiles. They hear the differences in headphones and mics that no one else does because they listen. I personally don't really care because I have a wicked fast opto-mechanical keyboard with relatively smooth linears. It's good enough for me, but some people want more. They want custom caps and lubed switches that they can't get prebuilt and thoccs and Japanese legends. Some steel series keyboards have analog switches with adjustable actuation sliders but the keyboard community prefers making something of their own. That's all there really is to it. It's just a hobby
the higher the price on custom keyboards, the more diminishing returns are. I guess it really more is a hobby than gaining any more performance
We really only really have four criteria when it comes to keyboards.
1. It pretty
2. It responds well
3. It glows
4. It makes clicky sound
Are you typing with your mouse?
Bruh! Get a real keyboard! Not a 60 buttons mouse!
"I printed it that's how you know I'm serious" reminds me of the time I printed off endless copies to Dwight schrute with the cpr dummies face and posted them all over the house I rented with a friend. Which bear is best?
This guy’s the real legend 😂😂😂
I'd say a lot of the enjoyment comes from that intrinsic value, and the process if building it. Plus those Red Samurai go hard
I love watching boardzy as a gamer.
As a keeb enthusiast tho, you need to build one yourself to enjoy it fully. Kinda like mice where you need to try the switches to understand what you want. There’s more to it but like he said, it’s not a serious vid.
Man I used a 5$ wireless mouse and a 20$ cheap gaming keyboard dose the same thing absolutely worth it 👍🤝
"No matter how much you spend on a keyboard a keyboard is a keyboard"
-Confucius
True, Don’t care I’m broke I’m only getting a 50$ at most. As long as it can hit keys and last longer than 8 months
I had bad experiences with prebuilt gaming keyboards from razor and other gaming companies, so I bought a custom keyboard and it has been working flawlessly for almost 3 years already, worth every penny.
Imagine spending $180 on a prebuilt meanwhile you can get a kb kludge for a lot cheaper and make it better lol
If he has money to burn, likes it and doesn't want to mod the keeb. Then why not. Just my opinion though
180 bucks for a prebuilt? I can get a nice custom for 80 bucks like rkg68 with the fell and the sound that I like.
@@jimmyngo2191 I need to learn how to set it up and it doesnt matter anyway a good keyboard vs a great one has minimal difference in terms of performance aesthetically the custom ones are usually so bad with their rgb lighting app being so standard.
Keyboards don’t really matter that much I’m just gonna say it.
Based
based 5$ keyboard gang😎
Unless you have a keyboard made out of plastic like me, yeah...
@@alexandramaldonado2741 no way we have the same name
@@alexmaldonado3721 holy, wow 😂
i just like to be able to appreciate the personality i can put into them. and modding them is very fun
i mean to be fair, none of the mainstream keyboards are bad, like almost no one would be upset with an upgrade from membrane to mx browns. it's the custom stuff that's practically it's own entire market.
I get your point and I 1000% agree too! But yea... Custom kbs are a hobby. To each their own I guess? 🙂
Thank you mr mouse man for this very useful info I won’t use often
I mean i have a 250$ one and im pretty satisfied with the resaults :) But yeah i think anything more than that is pretty much a waste :/ Not saying mine isnt but it gives me a nice feeling while playing so :)
In my opinion more than 249.99 is a waste to be fair
@@pomodorohuertas3816 same :) Since all good keyboards you can get from idk hyperx or razer are like 200$ so
As someone who has custom keyboard hobby for a while, really expensive boards are usually more desired for the hype than the actual typing experience, looks, etc.
@Jan F exactly :)
@@meowscanttype2049 like shoes?
basicly. looks, sound, response, feel. if one feels worse in any of these ways, an upgrade can be used to make it better, if one of these is worse in one, it can be upgraded
The feeling the looks the experience
We dont have that attached feeling to stuff we didnt built
I like gaming and part of my setup I wanted was for me to make my own keyboard to match my pc. It was fun! Better if you wait for sales tho.
I know this is a joke, but yeah, it's all personal preference, like the audiophile world and whatever the word is for people who are super serious about picture quality.
I'm kind of a light audiophile. I have a very particular sound profile that I like. Thankfully it's not ridiculously expensive (around 300 to 400 dollars for total equipment) like some setups. My SO is much less picky about her sound and the only reason her setup costs around $100 is because she wanted decent comfort and I bought her a set that were comfortable and not likely to break. She's happy and I'm happy.
I find that so many people get sucked into enthusiast worlds because of hype and not because of being dissatisfied with their current equipment or because of general interest. They don't think to examine whether they're actually satisfied, and the community just says what the like and the sales people eat it up. It's getting better as far as the community goes but it's still problematic and ends up with a lot of wasted money for not much perceptual gain for the customer.
So yeah, no matter how much the keyboard enthusiast warriors get onto you for using rubber domes, if you don't have any problem with them, then don't give into the hype and pressure of mechanical keyboards. You will save a lot of money by not buying something you probably aren't the customer for.
I know it's not serious video but for people who actually don't understand why so many people prefer custom keyboards over gaming ones, it's mostly about sound, feel and quality. Most gaming keyboards have wobbly and extremely loud stabilisers, cheap scratchy switches and are hollow inside which gives them unpleasant hollow sound (there are other problems like cheap ABS keycaps but these are three most important) and cost 180USD, with custom keyboard you can get Keychron V1 (barebones goes for around 65usd is wireless, has silicone pad inside and foam on top of PCB to remove hollowness and has hotswap PBC meaning you don't have to use soldering iron to swap switches). Then you can buy gateron milky yellow switches (imo one of the best linear switches out there) for around 25usd for 70 switches (it should be enough for keychron V1), set of durock v2 stabilisers for 20USD and some krytox 205g0 lube for both stabs and switches for 10USD , one switch opener for like 3USD and some PBT dye sub keycaps (prices of cheaper ones range from 20-40USD depending on set) and you get amazing sounding keyboard for around 140-180USD that you can mod to improve it's feeling and sound with mods like tempest mod, PE mod, force break mod or any other mod you want. TL:DR you actually pay less to get better keyboard than corsair, razer, steelseries or hyperX
I'm laughing "to profit off of your financial demise." 🤣🤣🤣
I bet 100$ you didn’t laugh but I will like your comment anyway
but then me with just a laptop that has quiet sound
Exactly I have an 8 year old school laptop with a broken frame but it works. I get at least 1fps on most games so its doing it's job
Before recording this video just remember nft's exist.
Basically if you are only after a keyboard for gaming don’t ever go to the rabbit hole of custom built keyboards. Sometimes latency can be a problem too which other gaming keyboards are made for
“just listen to the thock”🤓
Custom even looks better and sounds better 🤓
Whats my favourite switch? Oh it's uhhhh holy panda 🤓, yeah also mx brown bad Lol get it it's because Glarses said so🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓
kErMiT iS hOt
*Me with my 30$ Logitech silent keyboard and mouse combo*: haha relatable.
For some reason i keep watching these videos even though i have no intention of buying another keyboard, much less of making one.
Wow, boardzy. Your sense of joke is amazing as always. You're my go-to youtuber whenever I inquire validation in form of opinions in anything related to gaming appliance/keyboard, very cool /s
switches are replaced and lubed, then some mods are added. not to mention keycaps are a bit pricey. some spray paint the casing so that's extra $$. also there's a labor fee. 400$ sure is expensive for a keyboard but the high quality ones are pricier.
Me using the default keyboard they give you for free: Y’all buying new keyboards?
Keyboards is the only area where having a custom literally means nothing all it means is u got less money in ur pockets
I genuinely think that big brand mechanical keyboard is better than custom keyboards because of good software, game integration, and a warranty.
You can get a good gaming keyboard for like 60-100 bucks , you can also get a good sounding custom keyboard for around the same money
As a custom keyboard enthusiast myself, I can say you just flat out got scammed, watch some videos and do it yourself next time, the person who made your custom, did not know what to get, and did not know what they were doing.
He printed everything out! that's how you know he's serious.
One thing I will never understand is the gaming keyboard community
Custom keyboards are very subjective. IMO what may seem to be shit keeb for others is actually another person's GOAT keeb. I just knew since a lot of people still tries to talk me out about how low profile keebs are shit while I love them for comfort.
It's not about getting the most expensive thing the store can offer, it's just more about the experience. It has become an expensive hobby too since people are always trying to find where they can feel comfortable about.
That is especially true for me since I spend more than half of my day on my PC both for work and gaming. For me it's like picking the best tool that just goes well with my small 5-year old like hands who types like a t-rex.
Its really pretty and someone personally spent time and effort on it, thats how.
You dropped this king🧢
If your keyboard is more than $50 you are an R word
Gaming keyboard is fine if you can ignore the rattly spacebars and low quality thin keycaps.
However now there are options from epomaker/Yunzii/Keychron that blow every prebuilt gaming keyboard out of the water for the same price and sometimes as low as half the price. There is no real reason to ever buy a Logitech/steelseries/razer/asus keyboard now.
People saying the $180 one is overpriced: lmao, gamers doing everything they can to get a wooting right now
Isnt it tho?
@@iseeyou9488 no, it’s the response time they mostly care about
i sold my wooting for 300 on ebay lmaoo
Why is that the thing i’ve been saying this entire time
Yes your insane. Like saying a $150 mouse isn't a $100 better experience then a $50 one
If y’all want a cheap %60 full mechanical keyboard “swapable switches” “Rgb”highly recommend the red dragon k617 retail price last time I checked was around $45 or can even be found for cheaper. perfect for beginners or even the average pc gamer
I mean the custom does sound slightly better