I loved this conversation! As a woman who did a 180 on my views on how legitimate trans people are, I'm so thankful for these podcasts. Trans women are men and need to be seen as such by all of us again! Get them out of locker rooms! I can't imagine reaching 30 and still thinking it wasn't a "big deal" or was the "nice thing to do" to let them in our spaces... I'm really glad it's not just me ❤
👋 I’m one of those 50 year old parents who is only listening to this because my daughter was swept away with this ideology, and is now NC because we would accept but not affirm. It’s such a dark rabbit hole to try to navigate your way through, and not one I ever would’ve voluntarily explored, but it’s utterly devastated my family.
@@sometherapist yes, but it isn’t our daughter that’s ROGD, it’s her (now ex) boyfriend who began identifying as a trans woman three years into their relationship, and she isn’t a child, she’s 32 now. I have been looking at your material and websites all morning, and I suggested your ROGD Repair course to the ROGD support group I’m in, but we are the only family there whose child is indirectly affected, and also the only one who went NC for not affirming. 🫤 I’m also in a support group for estranged parents, but we are the only ones estranged due to gender ideology. I really wish I could find a therapist like you, as I have suffered so much loss in the last few years, and it’s totally gutted me. I’m learning how to grow mushrooms for my own medicine, but I’m not there yet. I have a wonderful husband, but we have ZERO support from any of our friends or family, and our other two children have distanced themselves to varying degrees because of our estrangement from our oldest, and they have swallowed the ally koolaid as well. I’m also going through menopause, and barely holding onto my will to live most days. I understand you have had to change your practice to protect your own health. Do you make recommendations or referrals?
I'm a right wing man that cares about women's comfort and safety and recognizes how devious the male sexuality can get. Doesn't it make me functionally more feminist than feminists supporting this gender stuff? Anyway, past mocking the idiocy, thanks for sharing the normal female perspective on the issue, very good listen and I wish you well with the podcast and advocacy
In terms of dating, not many people will jump at the chance to be in a relationship with someone with mental health issues. I get it. Everyone wants to date a healthy person. My best friend had a severe eating disorder, and she struggled to find love. When guys found out about her issues, they immediately lost interest. I think people are just looking for a partner who doesn't have a lot of baggage - a trans person is wearing their disordered thinking outwardly - even if you really veer away from the genital preferences - people are going to fly away at that point.
The more antisocial a human being is, the more they will behave in ways that keep them isolated from more healthy humans. That doesn’t mean that total and complete sociopaths always or even usually end up alone. It just means they end up with people very antisocial, like themselves.
What a fantastic interview. I did a thread on a dissertation I found about how BDSM helped a man cenent his identitynas a woman. He had a bad experience when his safe word was ignored and what he took from this was validation of his womanhood as a submissive who was violated.
Am I wrong but what I’m getting from that is that he classifies woman as “being who exists to be violated.” Which I find dehumanising and disgusting in the extreme.
A lot of men are into effeminate men with breasts and a penis. Not the old, raddled cross-dressers, who just do it to have a wank, and to intimidate women in female only spaces, but the young, gay ones...cocks in frocks. Then there's the AGPs, the transvestites, and the chances, who can and do take advantage of the opportunities to violate women's spaces and women's boundaries.
I’d argue, narcissism isn’t a disorder that develops but an innate personality trait eg: INTP, ENTP, INTJ, ENTJ. Narcissists don’t change. When challenged, they will always revert to type. Tribalism is a huge aspect of what’s happening. Your point on AA and born again Christianity is spot on: a substitute tribe is the only way out.
Hey Stephanie, I really appreciate you and the conversations you have on this channel. You are one of the only therapists I know who will openly call out this bullshit for what it is. Everyone else either affirms or knows it’s bullshit, but they never make that final leap to condemn it and all the obvious horrifying downstream effects of it. As someone looking to get my masters in Psych this is very refreshing and gives me a least a little bit of hope. Thanks again!
Fantastic video, so many talking points that have occurred to me many times. Wish more ppl had the backbone to have these conversations. Good on both of you.❤
For a few years I was obsessed with podcasts about cults and Narcissists, like "Narcissist Apocalypse". In the survivor stories from Narc abuse victims, this after-baby timing is typical. My own Narc husband turned it up a notch after baby arrived. Very common, typical.
Great interview!! I follow MaryCate on X. I didn't know AGP was a thing until two years ago. I knew someone in the 90's who wore his hair very long and drove a truck. On his days off he dressed as a woman in Sears style clothes with flat shoes. Very modest. Nothing like the transvestites i saw in Toronto. I had a female friend who married another female and eventually transitioned to appear as a man. I never had any issues with any of this. I hung around LGB people and events. I was a tomboy as a kid but was so excited to hit puberty. I loved wearing makeup and primping and dressing up and I also wear men's style clothes and no makeup. I am an artist and an eccentric. I had no clue of this slow gender creep until Peterson's issue in I think 2016 with refusing to be compelled to use pronouns and I was totally on his side then. I thought them/they was the most ridiculous thing I had heard. I wouldn't care about it if it hadn't captured our institutions and language and been commercialized. It's the sex based spaces being compromised , fetishes and harming children that has me so incensed. Otherwise I could give a rats ass how someone wants to live their life. I told a friend who knows young people declaring how they want to be identified and I told her to tell them, and I am a Libra...LOL thanks MC for that one.
What you are saying comes as no surprise. It just confirms my suspicions. I came to the same conclusion a long time ago. Almost immediately and instinctively I knew who these people were and what they were about. It’s taking us this long to figure out what we already knew all along. Thank you for going out of your way to bring this back to us. Thank you for giving voice to our long held suspicions.
As an older female detransitioner, I can attest to the component of escaping objectification. However, the testosterone can actually push you into objectifying yourself, especially if you’re an abuse survivor. It can become a very dark journey on both sides of the coin.
I'd love to know if the interviewee is talking about Jammie Dodger when talking about the lesbian whos transitioned to be more masculine. She is in a difficult situation where it made be hard for her partner if they were seen as lesbians (even though they are) due to her religion
Many thanks for the meaningful conversation! I support your point that life is mostly about hard decisions. Often there is a poor option to choose from and even worse. It is crucial to maintain common sense and keep a sense of reality in place, for yourself and others. Among other things, in order to be really useful for someone - in close relationships, professional work, e.g.
Grateful for both of you. I have a young daughter and one on the way. Perhaps by the time they’re old enough to learn about this subject, they won’t need to. But in the likely case they will need to know, I’ll make sure they know your work. Thank you!
Great episode, as mom of gender confused young adult son, I appreciate this information being shared! Most people have no clue what is going on 💔 Especially in Canada, where I am. And I just want to say that no one chooses to become a born again, Christian… It’s just something that happens when you’re ready ( if you’re open to it). And since I’ve been blessed with this beautiful awareness recently in my life 🙏 it gives me a new perspective, and allows me to have a lot more patience for people like Russell Brand. I do think he is now trying to be genuine … But everyone is definitely entitled to like or dislike whoever they want lol preferences are a birthright
I suggest watching "Gender-A Wider Lens" on UA-cam or listening to their podcast. A lot of great videos about this trans and a lot of info. They're neutral about trans. People need to be informed of what's happening. Also, look up WPATH files and the Cass report.
Us vegans know we are not living harm free but we do our best not to harm others. It is impossible not to but in the west we have super markets and we are not starving.
Love the discussion about how to help narcissist snap out of it. Wish there was a better answer. Sometimes it takes maturity. Sometimes it never happens
The Canadian incel who tried to sue therapists to wax make parts they weren't trained for, it's very different waxing men & women, in addition they didn't want to do it. You can't demand someone see your body parts and touch them. Anyway....the AGP & thinking women would be interested in them too as well as odd fetishes for periods and pads!
Thank you for sharing the website terf is a slur. What organizations do we have available in the US? I follow Kellie Jay Keen and her Let Women Speak project as well as Helen Joyce who left her journalism career to co-found Sex Matters, but they are both UK organizations. What organizations do we have in the US??
Stephanie, you should interview Ray Alex Williams. He’s a self-professed AGP who’s also a detransitioner who makes excellent content on here talking about AGP, where it comes from, and how it manifests. He has some brilliant insights which I think you would enjoy if you haven’t already watched him. He argues that AGP is a type of sexual orientation and he makes some decent arguments in favor of that, but I’d be curious to hear your take on it (and MaryCate’s, for that matter).
i don’t think it’s a maternal instinct thing. plenty of women have their own children but still end up babying their husbands bc that’s what the husbands demand of them - all their undivided attention. and a lot of women feel they have to do this to keep their partner around, or he’ll leave them. it’s men being narcissistic and taking advantage of women, and men are more narcissistic with big egos on average. that’s why they get enraged when a woman rejects them. the announcing their transition during the woman’s pregnancy thing is a form of abuse. a lot of abusers trap their wives through pregnancy or marriage when it becomes harder for the woman to walk away from the relationship, and then emotionally, financially or even physically abuse them. just read some of the trans widows’ stories. the narcissism can lead to abusive behavior
Fantastic interview. Please, please get H M Sealey on - I know she keeps her head down but her books are amazing and her latest dystopian book doesn't pull any punches concerning some of the dangerous ideas of the progressive cult. I would love to hear her talk.
Fathers can apply for their children but fathers don’t receive benefits for themselves. So the child should be eligible for formula up to 6 months. Then adding purée. She’s not eligible for the mother’s benefits because of the paperwork and I agree that’s dumb.
Amen sister! Many of the lesbian activity groups that I belong to had to go underground (no using the word ‘lesbian’, because trans women search for it) and have become word-of-mouth so that we are not overrun with men in dresses. Lesbian friends of mine will talk acceptance of transbians in public, but behind closed doors they tell a different story. I think the tide is turning
Ummm… Where do I start? I’d like to chime in as an autogynephilic male. Autogynephilia is deeper than a kink or a fetish. And yes I’m not going to deny that it correlates highly with narcissism. But just because someone is autogynephilic doesn’t mean that they’re perverts or taking advantage of a system. No one chooses to be homosexual or autogynephilic. As long as they’re not coercively gaining access to cis women’s spaces, leave them alone. Being autogynephilic doesn’t make one a bad person. It’s an extra layer of difficulty that they/we have to navigate life with. Please don’t assume that we’re all bad perverts, and that we’re actively objectifying women. The problem with any group of people is that the ones with the loudest voices are usually the most narcissistic and manipulative. They are a vocal minority that doesn’t represent the group as a whole. You saying perverts and fetishist doesn’t help. It simply insults the less vocal more rational whole. If straights and gays were more accepting of autogynephilics than they’d be less likely to be radicalized by narcissists who are currently trying to run the narrative.
Most vegans are pretty clear about how their diets impact the world-not all, of course, but I think as a group they are more conscious about that than the general population. Do the least harm as possible is not a ridiculous goal.
They don't appreciate that animals and living creatures die for every plate, even vegan plates. This tells me they value some living creatures more than others. I as an omnivore value all living creatures, particularly those I eat, for they are the reason I am healthy and strong.
Jokes about incele thinking women have it so easy - i get this, especially with how inxels think being desired work, but let's not kid ourselves, some dynamics favor one sex,.some the other
Vegans are ideological in their beliefs. They are based on faith that they do no harm to animals, the planet, or their health. This is a delusion sadly, as they do harm to all three. It's no surprise that there are more ex-vegans than vegans as they have to face the truth eventually, usually when their health breaks down badly after so long with malnutrition.
Autogynephilia is technically a paraphilic sexual orientation and not a fetish. This is important because a fetish implies arousal to an object or something acquired later in life. Autogynephilia (like gynephilia or androphilia) is laid down in fetal development due to in utero hormones. Autogynephilia usually accompanies being on the autistic spectrum (also laid down in fetal development due to in utero hormones). The male brain was flooded with so much testosterone while a fetus that the erotic target (which is usually fully understood by adolescence) has become inverted.
There is absolutely no way to know what you have said above. I have studied an MSc in neuropsychology and am currently embarking upon my Doctorate. It is not the same as being homosexual (so an orientation that might be innate or laid in utero) and you're actually lumping AGP in with PDF-philia if you want to stand by the stance you have. This is extremely worrying
Most people that I’ve come across on Reddit are genuinely experiencing gender dysphoria, so I find it disingenuous that you would think this has anything to do with fetishes. What specific subreddits are you referring to that are full of “guys” with fetishes?
I don't really use reddit... But as a trans woman myself... I know a few other trans people... And while I do know that there are definitely people out there who have AGP... Or are just fetishists... But I personally don't know any of them myself... Some of the things they are saying here have kernels or truth... They are very much twisting that truth to fit their narrative... Unfortunately there isn't enough space in a comment to dispute all of the things they got wrong... Even though I am trans myself... I am no expert on trans issues.. but I would love to have a conversation with these women and maybe show them a different vein on the topic... And share some real facts and real life experiences...
Autogynophilia isn’t necessarily a “fetish,” it’s just a form of heterosexuality. There’s nothing wrong or strange or shameful with AGP. I don’t think anyone on this channel is saying that people with AGP are creeps; just that it’s disingenuous when they mask their AGP as a trans identity as a way to avoid societal stigma. Many people with AGP are not self aware enough to realize what’s going on in their minds and revert to the concepts that come closest or they lie to their health providers by using certain catch phrases in order to be prescribed hormones and surgery. I’ve come across a handful of AGP detransitioners who are very forthcoming with what they had been going through (and I have hardly looked into the subject). Unfortunately, there is such a stigma with AGP that trans supporters don’t want to acknowledge it amongst their ranks and many AGP don’t want to out themselves.
I loved this conversation! As a woman who did a 180 on my views on how legitimate trans people are, I'm so thankful for these podcasts. Trans women are men and need to be seen as such by all of us again! Get them out of locker rooms! I can't imagine reaching 30 and still thinking it wasn't a "big deal" or was the "nice thing to do" to let them in our spaces... I'm really glad it's not just me ❤
Talking to normal, offline people about this issue makes you sound like a crackhead at a bus stop. I understand the struggle. 😂
🤣🤣🤣 my life
Hahaha. That's accurate
Relatable. 😅
👋 I’m one of those 50 year old parents who is only listening to this because my daughter was swept away with this ideology, and is now NC because we would accept but not affirm. It’s such a dark rabbit hole to try to navigate your way through, and not one I ever would’ve voluntarily explored, but it’s utterly devastated my family.
I’m so sorry for what you’re going through. Have you heard about my course, ROGD Repair?
@@sometherapist yes, but it isn’t our daughter that’s ROGD, it’s her (now ex) boyfriend who began identifying as a trans woman three years into their relationship, and she isn’t a child, she’s 32 now. I have been looking at your material and websites all morning, and I suggested your ROGD Repair course to the ROGD support group I’m in, but we are the only family there whose child is indirectly affected, and also the only one who went NC for not affirming. 🫤 I’m also in a support group for estranged parents, but we are the only ones estranged due to gender ideology. I really wish I could find a therapist like you, as I have suffered so much loss in the last few years, and it’s totally gutted me. I’m learning how to grow mushrooms for my own medicine, but I’m not there yet. I have a wonderful husband, but we have ZERO support from any of our friends or family, and our other two children have distanced themselves to varying degrees because of our estrangement from our oldest, and they have swallowed the ally koolaid as well. I’m also going through menopause, and barely holding onto my will to live most days. I understand you have had to change your practice to protect your own health. Do you make recommendations or referrals?
Yes you can book a free discovery call to discuss options at Stephaniewinn.com
@@sometherapist thank you! I look forward to chatting with you on Wednesday!
Of course we all know it's a fetish and a delusion as well. As if a deluded person telling us they're really not deluded is some kind of proof.
You’re completely delusional if you seriously think this is a fetish. 😂
@@addict8229 technically, it's classified as a para philia.
All trans people are deluded fetishists?
What i find so heartening is the numbers of teenagers and women in their 20's, and 30's who are biting back!
The most striking thing with them is the degree of narcissism. It's not just male narcissism in a skirt, this is a whole another level.
I'm a right wing man that cares about women's comfort and safety and recognizes how devious the male sexuality can get. Doesn't it make me functionally more feminist than feminists supporting this gender stuff?
Anyway, past mocking the idiocy, thanks for sharing the normal female perspective on the issue, very good listen and I wish you well with the podcast and advocacy
In terms of dating, not many people will jump at the chance to be in a relationship with someone with mental health issues. I get it. Everyone wants to date a healthy person. My best friend had a severe eating disorder, and she struggled to find love. When guys found out about her issues, they immediately lost interest. I think people are just looking for a partner who doesn't have a lot of baggage - a trans person is wearing their disordered thinking outwardly - even if you really veer away from the genital preferences - people are going to fly away at that point.
Yes, delusion is not an attractive quality or a sign of someone’s ability to hold up their half of a healthy adult partnership
The more antisocial a human being is, the more they will behave in ways that keep them isolated from more healthy humans. That doesn’t mean that total and complete sociopaths always or even usually end up alone. It just means they end up with people very antisocial, like themselves.
I love Mary Cate. She's a warrior ❤
What a fantastic interview. I did a thread on a dissertation I found about how BDSM helped a man cenent his identitynas a woman. He had a bad experience when his safe word was ignored and what he took from this was validation of his womanhood as a submissive who was violated.
post it..
What a damning indictment of how impossible it is for men to maintain their ability to see themselves as men after being sexually violated.
Oh, brother!! 🤦🏻♀️
Am I wrong but what I’m getting from that is that he classifies woman as “being who exists to be violated.” Which I find dehumanising and disgusting in the extreme.
Transitioning would greatly deplete your dating pool if anything
Exactly! This is a one of the biggest issues with queer dating.
If you go on the trans reddit pages they complain about this all the time, as if denying nature was a good idea.
A lot of men are into effeminate men with breasts and a penis. Not the old, raddled cross-dressers, who just do it to have a wank, and to intimidate women in female only spaces, but the young, gay ones...cocks in frocks.
Then there's the AGPs, the transvestites, and the chances, who can and do take advantage of the opportunities to violate women's spaces and women's boundaries.
Drain the swamp . Lol.
Is that really true?
I’d argue, narcissism isn’t a disorder that develops but an innate personality trait eg: INTP, ENTP, INTJ, ENTJ. Narcissists don’t change. When challenged, they will always revert to type. Tribalism is a huge aspect of what’s happening. Your point on AA and born again Christianity is spot on: a substitute tribe is the only way out.
Hey Stephanie, I really appreciate you and the conversations you have on this channel. You are one of the only therapists I know who will openly call out this bullshit for what it is. Everyone else either affirms or knows it’s bullshit, but they never make that final leap to condemn it and all the obvious horrifying downstream effects of it.
As someone looking to get my masters in Psych this is very refreshing and gives me a least a little bit of hope. Thanks again!
The gig is up boys
Fantastic video, so many talking points that have occurred to me many times. Wish more ppl had the backbone to have these conversations. Good on both of you.❤
For a few years I was obsessed with podcasts about cults and Narcissists, like "Narcissist Apocalypse".
In the survivor stories from Narc abuse victims, this after-baby timing is typical. My own Narc husband turned it up a notch after baby arrived. Very common, typical.
For anyone unaware: Orange and black became the colors for "super straight" specifically because they're the Pornhub colors. It wasn't a coincidence.
Great interview!! I follow MaryCate on X. I didn't know AGP was a thing until two years ago. I knew someone in the 90's who wore his hair very long and drove a truck. On his days off he dressed as a woman in Sears style clothes with flat shoes. Very modest. Nothing like the transvestites i saw in Toronto. I had a female friend who married another female and eventually transitioned to appear as a man. I never had any issues with any of this. I hung around LGB people and events. I was a tomboy as a kid but was so excited to hit puberty. I loved wearing makeup and primping and dressing up and I also wear men's style clothes and no makeup. I am an artist and an eccentric. I had no clue of this slow gender creep until Peterson's issue in I think 2016 with refusing to be compelled to use pronouns and I was totally on his side then. I thought them/they was the most ridiculous thing I had heard. I wouldn't care about it if it hadn't captured our institutions and language and been commercialized. It's the sex based spaces being compromised , fetishes and harming children that has me so incensed. Otherwise I could give a rats ass how someone wants to live their life. I told a friend who knows young people declaring how they want to be identified and I told her to tell them, and I am a Libra...LOL thanks MC for that one.
What you are saying comes as no surprise. It just confirms my suspicions. I came to the same conclusion a long time ago. Almost immediately and instinctively I knew who these people were and what they were about. It’s taking us this long to figure out what we already knew all along. Thank you for going out of your way to bring this back to us. Thank you for giving voice to our long held suspicions.
I adore this woman!!!! ❤🔥
As an older female detransitioner, I can attest to the component of escaping objectification. However, the testosterone can actually push you into objectifying yourself, especially if you’re an abuse survivor. It can become a very dark journey on both sides of the coin.
Transitioning in women is definitely a form of self harm. Hope you're in a better place now, you deserve peace.
@@Qrtuop Thank you! It's a journey, for sure. But I'm glad to just be on the journey, now, and no longer on Mr. Toad's Wild Ride!😁
@@j.j.l.may I ask, what was your tipping point, your “aha!” moment?
I'd love to know if the interviewee is talking about Jammie Dodger when talking about the lesbian whos transitioned to be more masculine. She is in a difficult situation where it made be hard for her partner if they were seen as lesbians (even though they are) due to her religion
Duper's Delight is so common in this space. Made me think of Jack Turban aside from every trans TikTokker
Many thanks for the meaningful conversation!
I support your point that life is mostly about hard decisions. Often there is a poor option to choose from and even worse. It is crucial to maintain common sense and keep a sense of reality in place, for yourself and others. Among other things, in order to be really useful for someone - in close relationships, professional work, e.g.
Grateful for both of you. I have a young daughter and one on the way. Perhaps by the time they’re old enough to learn about this subject, they won’t need to. But in the likely case they will need to know, I’ll make sure they know your work. Thank you!
give your daughters Dworkin and bell hooks EARLY
I'm glad that MaryCate didn't get caught by the predatory 🌽 industry, she is so fun to listen to!
we love MaryCate Delvey!
Great episode, as mom of gender confused young adult son, I appreciate this information being shared! Most people have no clue what is going on 💔
Especially in Canada, where I am.
And I just want to say that no one chooses to become a born again, Christian… It’s just something that happens when you’re ready ( if you’re open to it).
And since I’ve been blessed with this beautiful awareness recently in my life 🙏 it gives me a new perspective, and allows me to have a lot more patience for people like Russell Brand.
I do think he is now trying to be genuine …
But everyone is definitely entitled to like or dislike whoever they want lol preferences are a birthright
I suggest watching "Gender-A Wider Lens" on UA-cam or listening to their podcast. A lot of great videos about this trans and a lot of info. They're neutral about trans. People need to be informed of what's happening. Also, look up WPATH files and the Cass report.
Us vegans know we are not living harm free but we do our best not to harm others. It is impossible not to but in the west we have super markets and we are not starving.
Love the discussion about how to help narcissist snap out of it. Wish there was a better answer. Sometimes it takes maturity. Sometimes it never happens
If they are chronically online which many of them are, they have no chance.
The Canadian incel who tried to sue therapists to wax make parts they weren't trained for, it's very different waxing men & women, in addition they didn't want to do it. You can't demand someone see your body parts and touch them. Anyway....the AGP & thinking women would be interested in them too as well as odd fetishes for periods and pads!
Thank you for sharing the website terf is a slur.
What organizations do we have available in the US? I follow Kellie Jay Keen and her Let Women Speak project as well as Helen Joyce who left her journalism career to co-found Sex Matters, but they are both UK organizations. What organizations do we have in the US??
Stephanie, you should interview Ray Alex Williams. He’s a self-professed AGP who’s also a detransitioner who makes excellent content on here talking about AGP, where it comes from, and how it manifests. He has some brilliant insights which I think you would enjoy if you haven’t already watched him. He argues that AGP is a type of sexual orientation and he makes some decent arguments in favor of that, but I’d be curious to hear your take on it (and MaryCate’s, for that matter).
Yeah Ray is great. We're in each other's DM's. He has an open invitation here when he's ready.
Mary Cate addresses this briefly at 33:40
This has made my day. More interesting than Jordan x Elon.
Wow what high praise! Thank you!
AGP for some, absolutely involves other people. Especially as it advances, and requires other people's validation.
But validation isn’t reciprocation. The other person is a tool, not an integral component of a relationship.
I LOOOOVE Mary Cate she is in my top Twitter follows.
Great video! Thank you both.
Thank you, both!
Why did she say gender critical ideology? It's factual
Absolutely agree. Being gender critical isn't an ideology.
All systems of facts are ideologies
i don’t think it’s a maternal instinct thing. plenty of women have their own children but still end up babying their husbands bc that’s what the husbands demand of them - all their undivided attention. and a lot of women feel they have to do this to keep their partner around, or he’ll leave them. it’s men being narcissistic and taking advantage of women, and men are more narcissistic with big egos on average. that’s why they get enraged when a woman rejects them. the announcing their transition during the woman’s pregnancy thing is a form of abuse. a lot of abusers trap their wives through pregnancy or marriage when it becomes harder for the woman to walk away from the relationship, and then emotionally, financially or even physically abuse them. just read some of the trans widows’ stories. the narcissism can lead to abusive behavior
This is like listening to psychopaths trying to tell people that they're not insane.
Phenomenal episode, thank you both!
Benjamin Boyce interviewed a German guy recently who said he cured himself of AGP
He didn't cure it, he was able to successfully navigate to other sexual options. It will always be there for him.
@@jasonwismer2670 not once a person integrates. It really does change entirely.
By the way, you’re not the only one who can’t stand Russell Brand. Never could, to the shock and dismay of those around me.
Fantastic interview. Please, please get H M Sealey on - I know she keeps her head down but her books are amazing and her latest dystopian book doesn't pull any punches concerning some of the dangerous ideas of the progressive cult. I would love to hear her talk.
Very brave Ladies!
Great conversation and analysis.
Fathers can apply for their children but fathers don’t receive benefits for themselves. So the child should be eligible for formula up to 6 months. Then adding purée. She’s not eligible for the mother’s benefits because of the paperwork and I agree that’s dumb.
It's so hard being a lesbian these days
Amen sister! Many of the lesbian activity groups that I belong to had to go underground (no using the word ‘lesbian’, because trans women search for it) and have become word-of-mouth so that we are not overrun with men in dresses. Lesbian friends of mine will talk acceptance of transbians in public, but behind closed doors they tell a different story. I think the tide is turning
I think some work has to be done around the difference between female erotica and pornography ...
For some people it's a fetish.
On both sides.
That's a real thing.
The friend who sent you dworkin is a good friend 😊
Ummm…
Where do I start?
I’d like to chime in as an autogynephilic male.
Autogynephilia is deeper than a kink or a fetish. And yes I’m not going to deny that it correlates highly with narcissism. But just because someone is autogynephilic doesn’t mean that they’re perverts or taking advantage of a system.
No one chooses to be homosexual or autogynephilic.
As long as they’re not coercively gaining access to cis women’s spaces, leave them alone. Being autogynephilic doesn’t make one a bad person. It’s an extra layer of difficulty that they/we have to navigate life with.
Please don’t assume that we’re all bad perverts, and that we’re actively objectifying women.
The problem with any group of people is that the ones with the loudest voices are usually the most narcissistic and manipulative. They are a vocal minority that doesn’t represent the group as a whole.
You saying perverts and fetishist doesn’t help. It simply insults the less vocal more rational whole.
If straights and gays were more accepting of autogynephilics than they’d be less likely to be radicalized by narcissists who are currently trying to run the narrative.
55:00 who is she referring to?
Oh dear oh dear oh dear oh dear oh dear… 😂
Most vegans are pretty clear about how their diets impact the world-not all, of course, but I think as a group they are more conscious about that than the general population. Do the least harm as possible is not a ridiculous goal.
They don't appreciate that animals and living creatures die for every plate, even vegan plates. This tells me they value some living creatures more than others. I as an omnivore value all living creatures, particularly those I eat, for they are the reason I am healthy and strong.
Their hearts are in a good place, but the reality is that their diet is just as harmful
Also it is a form of mental illness to malnourish oneself because you cannot stand the reality that flesh needs flesh (at least for humans)
@@HerWanderlust That is incorrect. There are degrees to harmful. A vegan diet tends to be less harmful.
Jokes about incele thinking women have it so easy - i get this, especially with how inxels think being desired work, but let's not kid ourselves, some dynamics favor one sex,.some the other
Great discussion, very in depth and accurate
I can't stand Russo eitner, there's something that irks me, for like it can when I knew who he was, a cousin thought he was amazing. She doesn't now 😂
Lost me at the veganism thing. The argument proposed works only if one lives beyond the arctic circle or something like that.
Vegans are ideological in their beliefs. They are based on faith that they do no harm to animals, the planet, or their health. This is a delusion sadly, as they do harm to all three. It's no surprise that there are more ex-vegans than vegans as they have to face the truth eventually, usually when their health breaks down badly after so long with malnutrition.
4chan level troll
Nahh the incels are a W here 😂 this is way too funny
Negative Nancies 😝
why? what rights haven't you attained yet?
cope and seethe
Autogynephilia is technically a paraphilic sexual orientation and not a fetish. This is important because a fetish implies arousal to an object or something acquired later in life. Autogynephilia (like gynephilia or androphilia) is laid down in fetal development due to in utero hormones. Autogynephilia usually accompanies being on the autistic spectrum (also laid down in fetal development due to in utero hormones). The male brain was flooded with so much testosterone while a fetus that the erotic target (which is usually fully understood by adolescence) has become inverted.
Hi there,
Do you have any source for that ?
@@Souxie123 Ray Blanchard, Michael Bailey, and Simon Baren-Cohen.
That's not an excuse for abhorrent behavior. These are men. They need to stay out of women's spaces.
Be AGP all you want but leave women alone.
There is absolutely no way to know what you have said above. I have studied an MSc in neuropsychology and am currently embarking upon my Doctorate. It is not the same as being homosexual (so an orientation that might be innate or laid in utero) and you're actually lumping AGP in with PDF-philia if you want to stand by the stance you have. This is extremely worrying
Is this your own theory or can you cite evidence for this theory?
Most people that I’ve come across on Reddit are genuinely experiencing gender dysphoria, so I find it disingenuous that you would think this has anything to do with fetishes. What specific subreddits are you referring to that are full of “guys” with fetishes?
Watch her series "Listen to Trans People." She's on episode 40 now.
I don't really use reddit... But as a trans woman myself... I know a few other trans people... And while I do know that there are definitely people out there who have AGP... Or are just fetishists... But I personally don't know any of them myself... Some of the things they are saying here have kernels or truth... They are very much twisting that truth to fit their narrative... Unfortunately there isn't enough space in a comment to dispute all of the things they got wrong... Even though I am trans myself... I am no expert on trans issues.. but I would love to have a conversation with these women and maybe show them a different vein on the topic... And share some real facts and real life experiences...
R/actuallesbians
Gender dysphoria is hocus pocus.
Autogynophilia isn’t necessarily a “fetish,” it’s just a form of heterosexuality. There’s nothing wrong or strange or shameful with AGP. I don’t think anyone on this channel is saying that people with AGP are creeps; just that it’s disingenuous when they mask their AGP as a trans identity as a way to avoid societal stigma. Many people with AGP are not self aware enough to realize what’s going on in their minds and revert to the concepts that come closest or they lie to their health providers by using certain catch phrases in order to be prescribed hormones and surgery. I’ve come across a handful of AGP detransitioners who are very forthcoming with what they had been going through (and I have hardly looked into the subject). Unfortunately, there is such a stigma with AGP that trans supporters don’t want to acknowledge it amongst their ranks and many AGP don’t want to out themselves.
What's Tania or Tanya Marshall's X account
x.com/TaniaAMarshall
MCD is a goddess of the internet, I love her work so much, and I am so happy she exists!!!! 💚🤍💜