First : in long Top Gear tradition you should know that 0-100-0 are mesured in distance. Second : lap times are mesured doing a flying lap. Third : your Driving skills are not good enough to get a proper lap time in any of those cars, you where miles from any racing line. Fourth : that's not drifting at all. That a bit of powersliding at best. This content is not good enough to bear the name of Top Gear.
Dank Mematodes gosh I miss those guys... they’re the soul of this show, without them I’ve stopped watching this show for quite a long while... I’m really upset that BBC is being a d*ck ugh
Not really a proper test, driver has a huge impact on this result. Put Chris Harris in the cars, and then ill believe the outcome. oh and since when is 0-100-0 not measured by distance
@@Cloxxki that lap is complete bogus. The Quadrifoglio was on normal tires. The Model 3 Performance was on Cup 2 tires that are comparable to the ones found on the Porsche GT3RS. No Model 3 on comparable tires has come close to the Quadrifoglio.
What? It's the same driver! As you have been correctly informed by the above commenter, Model 3 beating M3s and the even faster Alfa QF has already been proven with pro drivers. I have the Alfa, and have long since made the decision to make the Model 3P my next car. Anyone commenting without driving both should honestly be banned frm making ill informed nonsense comments on these types of videos.
@@unickygtube beating them with superior tyres, shock! And yes its the same driver, my very point. Clearly he is no professional driver, his "drifts"are not even controlled, look at how jerky it is. As i said, put Chris Harris in both and then ill believe the outcome. And saying you cant comment unless you've Driven both is a weak PC argument.
Not really, all that's going to happen is the numbers shift, but the result would be the same. This is just a classic case of goal post shifting when it comes to comparing tesla. First it was range (they now have 300+ miles and when driven hard a Bmw m3 is going to have less range than that, i use 3/4 tank on my track days in my RS3), then it was charging times (which are either overnight so it doesn't matter or 20mins at a supercharger for the few time a year you will use it, so perfectly acceptable), then it was battery life (now 8year/unlimited km warranty and should last 500,000km, more than most ice), then it was track performance (which is now shown to be perfectly acceptable and beating a car that is at the top of its segment), now its you have to using a F1 driver to get the perfect lap from both (which the majority of us will never get, I have done thousands of racing laps over the last 10 years, I am still not a expert and make error's all the time, noone is perfect)..........its all crap, the fact is, EV's are now to the standard required, people just don't WANT them to be.
@@stinger15au I'm pretty sure no cars can reach their estimated range when driven hard. Also, an RS3 is a better car than the Model 3 performance so just be happy you have that.
@@goodfodder I agree, even if the driver really matters than perhaps the BMW is not the car for most drivers, most people won't be professional drivers so a Tesla will do a lot better on their hands. The crybabies should just accept the M3 defeat here, the car is already so technologically outdated compared to Tesla anyway, I wouldn't put that much money on it.
and thats the funny part , i did not notice its a top gear channel until i spotted your comment , this looks like some noob trying to break into youtube jumping on the hype of tesla , seems i missed nothing when i stopped watching top gear when the trio left
Stig... Incognito driver, who don't show his opinions on cars, don't talk about cars, has one job. Drive it to the track as fast as you can... As this car can. Other jurnalist will tell: Yes this car was faster, but afer this lap Stig looks like he will die out of stress, its hard to drive, don't buy it, or this car in Stig hand was słów, but it is realy Good to drive, feals comfortable etc.
Unfortunately he does. But nobody can badmouth Tesla. Imagine your favourite driving movie with a Tesla! The original Gone in 60 seconds. *Sad face noises*
@@JCTiggs1 Because you're not wasting energy on noise and heat, it has no soul? Elaborate for me? Because that's the same shit they said back when the automobiles came out. Would you prefer we go back to horse and buggy?
@@justabrokeredneck funny man you are, try to drive your tesla after 10 years... O wait then its already at the scrapyard poluting the world and the beamer is still going string for at least 15 years
@@mr.blonde7812 You can make it almost 100% RWD or FWD. Maybe not the classical definition of 4wd, but I would considor the Tesla 4wd. 2 independent electric motors on each axel lets it torque vector better than an AWD car aswell.
@@chriscotton4207 I own a model 3 performance. Put it in track mode and you can change which wheels get the power in real time. Mid corner you can manually shift from total rear bias to total front bias with a slider on the screen. There's a reason the M3P completes the Nürburgring faster than an M3.
Yes, but that was the Standard range Plus model, and that one has rear wheel drive. The performance model has AWD wich means it needs alot of computer work to get it drifting.
It’s actually not too far off. The XP background was photographed in Sonoma, California. Thunder Hill is in Willows, CA. That makes them about 125 miles apart.
@@Mark-uk8wz not at all actually. Powersliding is taking a corner and sliding with the back a little. Drifting is turning and keeping it sideways just before the actual corner starts. ofc keeping it throughout as much as possible of the corner.
What I was thinking, and also the comment above. Chris Harris will have the car smoking sideways and have the auto kick bang through a couple gears on the longer corners, while pulling out.
I agree 💯%, the Tesla may have the better launch in a straight line, but the M is King of the Track any day of the week... Especially when being compared to an electrical appliance...
It took the m3 a shorter distance 0-100-0 so in my eyes, it definitely won that one. The hot lap was just fun, not a serious comparison. Actually, none of the tests were done very well.
I don't thinks so pal, I'm a petrol head myself but you have got to give to Tesla except how fun and loud it is and always would be (I hope) to drive a good BMW
@@somethingsomethingdarkside8245 Hloupost.. právě že se u BMW protočí kola tak má slabší start... Ale po rozjezdu má lepší dynamiku... Takže dá dřív větší rychlost...
@@jaffejoffer2168 True that. No offence to the guy, the Alpine in the Alps review was great by him (edit: nvm, I just realized that it was by Ollie Marriage), but goddammit, I can get my FWD hatchback more sideways than this guy in M3
Yep, totally dead. I am not sure about the lap he's driving was going to grocery shopping or bias towards model 3. It is a M3 for God sake. My driving is more aggressive like that when I am in an autocrossing...
@@juraj_b Pretty sure that's unfair since there is no skill in accelerating with an automatic car (which is Tesla's strength) while there is skill in cornering (which should be BMW's strength) and this driver clearly lacks skill. The test was bias towards Tesla so hard it's not even funny.
Some say that he once lost to a drifting competition with James May, and he also sold a trolley from Tesco. All we know is, he's the Stig's non racer cousin.
I see what Aryan A is trying to say, but the time is squared, which has a much bigger effect than the acceleration. If you do the math comparing a Prius to the Model 3, you'll see that the Prius needs more than twice the distance the Tesla needs to get to 60. Forget about 0-100. The Prius barely gets there and probably needs a whole mile. I agree with you that 0-100-0 should be a measurement of distance.
IMO, 0-100-0 is measured by distance and time, we could all agree that the Tesla is faster 0-100 thats why the car stopped first than the BMW. But braking wise, BMW got the edge on the Tesla thats why it stopped a shorter distance.
I think they need something the BMW could win at. I can think of a few like ranges, refill time, CO2 generation, noise (they keep mentioning it in the video).
@@thdjjfsfh Range? 310 for the Tesla vs 316 for the BMW. It's a wash, especially considering driving conservatively I can get closer to 350 miles in a Tesla Model 3. The Tesla refills while I sleep. Even factoring in road trips, I spend way less time refilling my Model 3 throughout the year, and even then you can charge the Model 3 to 80% in around 30 minutes. CO2 emissions depend entirely on your locality. In my state, less than 1/3 of our power is produced using coal/fossil fuels, and a Tesla Model 3s CO2 emissions are less than half of your typical gasoline vehicle. Not to mention hydrocarbons, carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide, brake dust, etc. There are maps where you can compare based on your state what is better for the environment, EV, Hybrid, or gasoline. By the way, gasoline doesn't win in a single state. Not sure how noise is a win for the BMW, lol.
The BMW M3 2018 does not get 34 MPG!!! It only gets 17/25 or combined 20 MPG!! Also, MPG isn't a range, that's an efficiency! Since it has a capacity of 15.8 gallons, the BMW M3 gets a range of 316 miles with an average 20MPG. Come on guys, at least put a little effort into your data.
@@edwardbrearey6413 ah yes, fair point. Nonetheless, they are still comparing two different metrics. However, the cars have similar range, one with 316 miles and one with 310 miles.
@@Aprikuusi2003 Better as in more enjoyable to drive, which should be more important than the odd second in a drag race or whatever, unless you have a fragile ego.
This is a weak video because we do not see how consistent this guys laptimes are. Need someone who can actually do this. I hardly ever watch Top Gear videos because they lack entertainment and high quality. Not having a race driver do the laps is such a bad move. I've done go-karts, a few trackdays on bikes (knee down) and cars but I know I'm not someone who can do lap after lap within 0.5s each lap. I doubt this guy can either. Which means a 1.5-2.0 second difference could be him. This is not "Top" gear, it's not even Average Gear.
The Tesla was awful at drifting. Be honest or you lose the viewer. We can see the Tesla is crap at drifting so why are you fake whooping it up? Be natural and we'll go with you. Also, please get someone who can do laptimes consistently. And if you can't then please do 5+ laps and show all the laptimes for both cars. That way we can see what's going on. Next would be putting a camera on a sequence so we can see both cars overlaid and how they hit apexes or not. Honestly, is like to know what each is like to sit, how they feel, look, what it's like to do a normal driving routine. Open door, sit in, start, select some music, navigation, aircon. The usual things. Are Tesla's hard to use because it's all on a touchscreen?
Awfull, can i hear american ricers here? You dont gear down? You just push the pedal and thats it. Drifting at its finest. Great. So I was doing it wrong all the time. Great.
Dom T Fun fact: I don’t even like bmw, just look at how he’s driving in both cars, he can’t even drift the bmw and he calls the tiniest powerslide a “drift”
@@domtdoodar99 I'm a tesla fan, and I'd like to see the best available driver test these cars.... But I do see where you're coming from calling them BMW fan boys XD
Would it be fun to see a professional driver test these? Yes. Is that the point of the video? No. Plus, I bet 99% of the people complaining about this guy's driving skills would run slower laps and smaller power slides than this driver. Most buyers will get more from this amateur driver test than professional driving.
It's so pintless to try to make "drifting" so special when it's almost ALWAYS a powerslide. Pro drifters use wight transfer or the hydro handbrake to get it sideways and then hold it sideways on, guess what, the throttle. So are they drifting for a short amount of time until they're poweroversteering? Is it only a drift if there's a transition from one corner to another? Is it a drift if the "powerslide" gets held sideways longer than in the Video? At what point does a drift stop being a powerslide, or start being one. Let's just make it simple and say a drift, a slide, a powerslide, a skid, it's all just plain old Oversteer.
I am a through and through petrol head, however drove a Tesla Model 3 a while back and was blown away, amazing car. For a daily driver & even roads trips, this is it. Will be my next car once I've sold the VW.
It is quite possible. Say for simplicity the Tesla is faster off the line but decelerates slower at say 80 to 100 range, so spends more of it's time at high speed but the BMW had a reverse of this thanks to the nature of ICE motors and lesser traction control than the motors/computers of the Tesla the distance travelled by the Tesla would be higher since more time is spent at in the high speed and not much at all in the low speed range but the reverse applies for the BMW. Again the total time makes no allowance for the split in deceleration at different speeds, so for example the Tesla brakes less hard at high speed and the BMW brakes hard at high speed but the BMW brakes fade they could have the same braking time but with the Tesla travelling a larger distance. This is probably not the actual mix of reasons, but how the time and distance don't need to match can make sense.
It just showed that the Tesla accelerates faster but the BMW has way better brakes. As for that being a "brake test" the results shown it is not. I was as confused as you were.
Incredible how far electric vehicles have come in any case. 10 yrs ago they were a joke, today we're arguing about whether the chosen driver impacted the results of performance challenges when comparing one against an M3.
@aj lana it's only because it has AWD, but this guy was very biased. HE LOST CONTROL ON THE TESLA!!!!! HOW IN THE HELL DID HE NOT BRING THAT UP AGAINST IT??? OR THE FACT THE HE WAS ALL OVER THE PLACE AND ALMOST LOST CONTROL SEVERAL TIMES??? He was VERY biased, and not even a good driver.
@@stevendufour LoL. They didn't use the performance edition of BMW. And of cource, eletric motors have a great torque advantage but thats it. You can probably do 2-3 laps before the Tesla has to give in. THe M3? You can hammer it around until you have to refuel. You just can't compare a Model 3 with a M3. Give them both the same torque and you will see that BMW has the best chassis you can possibly get besides Porsche and some Mercedes.
Tesla @3:46 M3 @5:40 Same curve. I'm an AMG fan and that M3 looks to be more stable. He may be driving the Tesla harder which is why he spun later. Going to hard. But I believe the M3 could do a better time. Let's get Chris Harris to remake this.
I can see. I also see Mercedes going hybrid to simulate the instant torque like electric vehicles. I think Hybrid cars will outperform electric cars due to weight savings. This M3 is lighter with less power but only a second slower in track times. Imagine an electrical motor instantly adding 130lbs of torque. With barely any added weight.
Not to mention the standing start. Nobody ever measures lap times from a standing start. Also 0-100-0 is always measured by distance. However, they had to do something to make the BMW lose or they wouldn't get that sweet cheque from Elon.
@@NeutralGenericUser He started breaking later with the Tesla, that's why he was a different distance from the BMW. But the measured distance was still shorter for Tesla.
I agree. Got my wife a Tesla 3 at Christmas and I own an '16 M4 myself, not an M3, but I think better times can be achieved. I don't have any plans to drive the Tesla this rough nor does my wife, so it was interesting to see. And hats off to you...the latest AMGs have some of the sexiest lines in terms of looks and of course, great performance overall.
Goldenport Park Circuit, Beijing pro race drivers drove the Model 3 ,c63 amg, and BMW m3 and results as follows. 1. Tesla M3 2. C63 Amg 3. bmw m3 Chris Harris will repeat the same results.
1/4 mile: OK. 0-100-0, OK, maybe. Hot lap (uh, get a pro). Drift? Who cares? How about a slalom, 60-0 braking, 100-0 braking, you know, things that actually matter when driving the car?
@@einfachben0399 No, it was about proving Elon's tweets right or wrong. I had to watch the video again (it's been 10 months!) and I'm even more convinced this was a bullshit test. If it is "about fun," then there should not be a winner. Musk's claims were that the Tesla is 15% quicker, better handling and faster on a track, then those are the things that should be tested and tested well. 1) Musk's claim of 15% quicker: 12,6 sec for M3, 11,9 sec for Tesla. 12,6 x 15% = 1,89 seconds. 12,6 - 1,89 = 10,71. So Elon's first claim is false. The Tesla is 0,7 seconds faster, which is "only" 5,4& quicker. Yes, definitely quicker, but Musk's claim was not correct. That being said, maybe a professional driver could get the Tesla 15% faster. Probably not, as 0-100 in an electric car is dead easy. BMW 1: Tesla 0 2) Better handling: This is where a slalom and even better an autocross with professional drivers should be used as a comparison. In fairness to both cars, it should either be with a driver who races both kinds of cars, or racers of roughly the same level of success/skill in each of the two different kinds of cars 3) The track test should be run by the same as the autocross. And that is all that should be tested. Having two tests of acceleration without the 15% caveat basically guarantees that the Tesla can't lose. And again, if it were just about "fun" then you don't give scores or times, you just give "impressions" from an average driver taking the cars out about town and on a track.
Sure does. He lifted off for SO long in that first corner in the BMW. Easy 2 second loss in just that corner. The last corner he took way too slow in the BMW, turned right in, while the Tesla was pretty much spot on the racing line. It even matters which car he drove first. He got used to the Tesla being a cow, then tried to treat the BMW the same way, nice and gentle, rip it out of the corners. It's the safe route to be fair. If he warmed up on the BMW and then took the Tesla for a spin, he would have ended up in a spin... several times over. Heavier car at same speeds will go wider.
He was driving the beemer as if on a sunday cruise altogether with his ametaur driving skills. Pure biased hogwash. Put Chris Harris behind the wheel and then we will see.
@aj lana in what world is bmw obsolete? they still have som of the best engines and cars in the world. a f90 m5 comp is literly faster then the dodge demon in a street drag race
Chris Harris tried the model S and he felt motion sickness while driving. So don't expect him to drive any Tesla cars. Also an F90 m5 competition have a price tag in the 220k+ region. If we are talking those price ranges we could throw in the Tesla Roadster since it's in the same price category. But if you put the roadster in that playing field it's going to smoke that bmw. Errr... leave in the dust I mean, because there's no exhaust.
Watching the BMW M3 fanboys completely losing it in the comments is probably one of the best things I've ever seen. They can't seem to comprehend that the Tesla Model 3 is simply the better car.
Farzad Mesbahi agreed BMW fans are as bad as GTR fans. They honesty give real car enthusiasts a bad name. They don’t give credit where credit is due and hate anything that’s not BMW or a GTR. When you prove them wrong they cry about it because they know deep inside they’re overhyped car is not competitive anymore.
fghftghfghgf I dont know what to believe about this model 3... someone beats the gt2rs with it in 0-100 but it loses to an rs3 in a quarter mile even off the launch. The m2 beats the Tesla model 3 on track but the m3 loses 🤷♂️ I’m at a lost, the m3 beats the m2 and the gt2rs obviously beats the rs3. I think you’re right, the model 3 is an amazing car for the money but there’s a huge reviewer bias present because none of these comparisons add up.
Yea but then the check from Elon wouldn't land on the Top Gear account... seriously....I've driven a Model 3 on the launch event, it can't even DREAM of being as quick as a regular 3 series. A 335i will wipe the floor with it...yet here they managed to make the M3 slower. LOL. I've seen people with Model 3's at the Nurburging struggle to get it under 9 minutes per lap...not to mention it wont actually do a full lap there because it overheats by like 2/3 of the lap.
BeyerT1 you’ve driven a model 3 but not the model 3 performance? There’s a HUGE difference between the two. It’s instant torque mate. Why do people still get surprised if Tesla’s beat IC cars in the 1/4. It happens, get over it.
@Arif Dianprakasa search model 3 performance nurburgring and tell me that's a slow car. It's a very fast car and very economical can you drive 100km with €2 in the BMW? If you find a ice car that can do that it takes 10min doing 0-100kph
@@derbigpr500 This is a short tight track, therefore the Tesla has the advantage with its acceleration out of corners. The Nurburgring is a faster track with several high speed sections, the Tesla doesn't stand a chance there. So I really don't see any reason to doubt that the model 3 was faster on this specific track. Different tools for different jobs and all that.
Oh, with Noel Edmonds, William Woollard, Angela Rippon, Sue Baker? Can't say I agree mate. I much preferred the reboot with Clarkson, May and Hammond. The original crew made the show more factual, rather than entertainment-based like the reboot.
@@MrWufpack The testing was pretty stacked in the Tesla's favour - AWD car with instant torque vs. 2WD car in the hands of a rubbish driver. I'd love to see the lap testing done with Chris Harris at the wheel.
@aj lana I'm not the biggest fan of BMW's latest offerings, but to call BMW obsolete and failed ignorant at best. They sell very well. I think the fact that the BMW was so close in time even though it was way down in torque, one of the more important factors in such a tight course, is a testament to the engineering. Regardless of anyone's views, I think we can all mutually agree which we'd rather have on the track. Edit: As someone else said, have the test at a higher speed course and the result would probably be different.
@Tomi Hanzo It is a particularly hard job to compete with those who have 100 +/- years of experience, so then it is quite impressive that a beginner like Tesla has managed to give them competition, and they have also improved, which is going to continue. Some also think tesla is 10/10 and Jaguar is 8/10 and visa versa.
Wow Top Gear... This was bad for a comparison "test"! Who says a flying start is nonsense and a standing start is how it's done?!?! So you basically had 3 drag races.
That is a good point@@LethalJizzle, but he's not the Stig, as he clearly demonstrated - so consistency is lacking. Plus, they already proved that the Tesla launches quicker, so why not take that out of the equation and just go with a flying lap, like almost all qualifying sessions in motorsport. Just seemed a little biased.
@@NateRisch when you look nurburgring records etc..., they're all standing starts. Only in championships do they use flying starts. on the other part, I kinda agree that 0-100-0 and 400m races were a bit redundant
Cause a standing start benefits the tesla. Most these comparisons by top gear are bias or set up befor the test. Think about it....a model 3 out performing a m3 on a track?. Nah dont think so with a professional driver. You can tell they didnt want m3 to win buy some of the lines taken on the track. Questionable I think compared to model 3. Leaves me to believe it was meant to win (model3) befor the race started. This is first one I've watched in a long time....now I remember why I quit watching them.
I WATCHED HIM REVIEW A TESLA AND HE WAS CLUELESS. HE DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE CAR OR HOW TO ADJUST IT'S HANDLING THEN WENT ON TO COMPLAIN ABOUT GETTING CAR SICK.
@@MICHGO1 Watched the review of Chris Harris about the Tesla. And it's completely far from what you are even saying. All his points clearly makes sense and he actually enjoyed driving the car and at the same time he pointed out the flaws of the Tesla Model S P100D such as the build quality and how 1 trick ponies they are. (Being only faster off line up to 0 - 100 MPH and 1/4 Mile Times) and how a slow 500 BHP Porsche GT3 with a manual transmission sports car that can catch up and beat it above that speed.
As 30 year aircraft mechanic I feel that the M3 is a fine machine , however if you want a car that's well engineered and will most likely cost you more than half as much to maintain and drive I would choose the Tesla . Its a no brainer if you have a place to plug it in at night.
He is just bad. I have never seen someone on topgear drive in this manner. Yes, he is probably better than me, but this is topgear. I expect some standards.
@@Mr888rM which is irrelevant, most of the time, also its more like 300+ miles in most driving. I have a RS3 and love it to bits and if I am honest, ice cars will remain as the track day toys, but in the real world, ev's are here. They are faster, safer, have more space inside, a non zero but still much less pollution, have enough range, packed with tech and even look decent.
Enrique Madera I get your point but its not like that ,there are easy to drive fast cars (tesla 4wd low senter of gravity,instant torque)and hard to drive fast cars( the bmw rwd higher senter of gravity atc ),that means that a “bad driver” will be faster with the Tesla even if the bmw had the straight line performance just because the bmw is more challenging to drive on the limit
@@duketlam9206 nope. Its much easier to drive a AWD electric car than the M3. On the Nürburgring with non semi-slicks the Tesla wont go under 8 minutes.
Remember this people get paid for this videos in benefit of this brand ( tesla ) , so they will make people think it can battle or win against an authentic performance car obviously the tesla its not a performance vehicle , neither circuit
@@howdy3670 HAHAHAHA Tesla's M3 just SPANKED that cute little token BMW, so I agree with you, its such a badass silent efficient monster! High five. That BMW is a loud piece of shit that bogs down too much (like it does in EVERY video in existence), so we are on the same page. I am glad we agree that the obsolete bimmer got WHOOPED. I am sure the simpletons that love that slow ultimate paper weight will probably cry though as they re-watch this video, so let me know when you find one who does and we can laugh at them together.
@Fresh Trees But they're not doing real world tests. They're doing car vs car. You think people like us would be driving track battles too? TL;DR it was a bad test even if I think Electric would still win
Because a man with a degree in journalism and no professional racing background, won’t be able to bring out the full potential of each car on a track... he did a 1.35 in the BMW to were a professional did a 1.32 on that same track. The rest of the tests? I agree with.
@@Sorry_ImTruthfulSo you are saying that a professional driver wouldn't have done better with Tesla also? You can't just ignore one car in the test...LOL
Flash357 No, but I would love to see a professional driver go around in one... just by you reacting to my comment is the very reason why a professional driver should’ve done the “lap time” to begin with. Claiming one car being faster based off of your own limitations and not the vehicles itself? Isn’t accurate, when there is already a set lap time for one of the vehicles with a better time. A professional driver would have tracked a similar time to the one that set the fastest lap for that particular car... that journalist, didn’t even come close. Nor did he even come close to what the Tesla could achieve with a professional driver operating it.
The one and only measurement that matters for a trackday car is the flying lap time...which you conveniently left out for an obvious reason. The 0-100-0 test has always been about distance, not time.
@@darthnatas953 jajajajaja. You are right, because every single one of us watching this video have gone hours of all out racing. I mean hours. We all just got lucky because there were no cops and traffic lights.
"My drifting skills are intermediate at best" - Maybe I'm missing something, but if you're going to be the host of top gear, why wouldn't your drifting skills be amazing at worst?
oh gosh didn't realize there was UK and US gallons (first being 1.2x bigger). Even after 35 years in the US I still can't stand the imperial system. That adds another wrinkle.
All tests were ruined by this weird driver. Why is this guy reviewing cars, he can't drive a track, can't drift, it was painful to watch as a motorsport fan
It's rare to have a bona-fide track comparison between a Tesla and a worthy ICE competitor, so this should have been exciting. But then they put this guy in charge.
Well, you might find it strange but there are people out there who actually care about the fun factor of a car, so yes, it is a perfectly acceptable test if you ask me.
As a BMW owner who has been left in the dust by Teslas there is no denying their speed! But when it comes to body style, steering/control and the amazing sound of an engine roar, I'm sticking with Beemers all day!
I was fan of high performance combustion engine. But it seems that sweet tuned engine roar - the sound of bets in class - is now just the noise of embarassment. When you have something thats all bark and no bite that's all your left with. There is no hope of ever catching electric with 10:1 power to weight ratio advantages. A good thing I think. You can spew out fossil fuels as a fun once in a while adventur eif you like - but as everyday driving machine they are slowly killing the planet.
For the record, Model 3 had an over the air power increase and now does 1/4 mile in the low 11s. If you do those tests again the Beamer will loose with even higher margin.
@@italianstallion399 True - but I think the point was that if you bought both e.g. 6 months ago, the Tesla just got better, whereas the BMW won't. For me, two of the prime considerations for picking a Tesla over any other electric (or most ICE) cars are the Superchargers (reliable charging - godsend) and the OTA updates *that Tesla support even for old vehicles*. Unlike e.g. phone companies, Tesla (at least up to now) have continued to improve / roll out updates even for their oldest cars, adding new features and functionality to cars they sold back in e.g. 2012. Sure, those older cars may not have the latest hardware to take full advantage - but if it's e.g. pre-heating the battery before arriving at the charger, then that's something that even the oldest Tesla can do - and will be rolled out to all cars, rather than just reserved for the latest model.
Test obviously suits the Tesla.. 0-100-0 is distance. Put anyone in the Tesla round a track and it will make them a better driver with all the aids. 4wd vs rwd.. put it up against a similar speced rs4 and see how it gets on.. quite clear that top gear are bigging up Tesla so that they get the new Tesla roadster or whatever it's called for the TV show.. put Chris in them both and see
jrice283 A RWD most of the times wins a AWD on the track. As faster are the corners the more advantage has the RWD. Being RWD is not the problem here. They’re comparing the hardest Track package from Model3 with the soft M3. What they need is the Competition Package M3. Being RWD means lighter, less drag and faster. AWD is only good in roads that provide less traction. Not the case.
The advantage the Tesla had on the track basically comes down to the acceleration advantage it got from a standing start. A flying lap would have told a different story...
I’ve driven muscle cars my whole life Tesla holds the road like no other. No more shifting and having the ass end fly sideways! Very safe and fast 💨 cars.
First : in long Top Gear tradition you should know that 0-100-0 are mesured in distance.
Second : lap times are mesured doing a flying lap.
Third : your Driving skills are not good enough to get a proper lap time in any of those cars, you where miles from any racing line.
Fourth : that's not drifting at all. That a bit of powersliding at best.
This content is not good enough to bear the name of Top Gear.
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0-100-0 record
Tell me how it is measured.
True
0-100-0 mesured by time!!! not disctance. Or Koenigsegg suck balls with his world record 0-300-0
99.9% of the people buying the car wont be professional drivers so it makes more sense having a normal person test them.
The rules of the tests were obviously chosen to help the Tesla win. My guess is it's a press car and they don't want to lose access again.
This guy makes James May look like an f1 racecar driver
Dank Mematodes gosh I miss those guys... they’re the soul of this show, without them I’ve stopped watching this show for quite a long while...
I’m really upset that BBC is being a d*ck ugh
@@michael50310
Well they have thier show on Amazon Prime right?
Emad Aldeen yes and I like the style they’re presenting, just disappointing to see what Top Gear has become after they left...
ROFL I agree, you could tell he was banging for the Tesla. Definitely had grandma's right boot on.
Well James may was the fastest man alive for a little bit
Not really a proper test, driver has a huge impact on this result. Put Chris Harris in the cars, and then ill believe the outcome. oh and since when is 0-100-0 not measured by distance
Look up the Randy Pobst laps in the Tesla versus the likes of the Quadrifoglio if that helps.
@@Cloxxki that lap is complete bogus. The Quadrifoglio was on normal tires. The Model 3 Performance was on Cup 2 tires that are comparable to the ones found on the Porsche GT3RS. No Model 3 on comparable tires has come close to the Quadrifoglio.
What? It's the same driver! As you have been correctly informed by the above commenter, Model 3 beating M3s and the even faster Alfa QF has already been proven with pro drivers. I have the Alfa, and have long since made the decision to make the Model 3P my next car.
Anyone commenting without driving both should honestly be banned frm making ill informed nonsense comments on these types of videos.
@@unickygtube beating them with superior tyres, shock! And yes its the same driver, my very point. Clearly he is no professional driver, his "drifts"are not even controlled, look at how jerky it is. As i said, put Chris Harris in both and then ill believe the outcome. And saying you cant comment unless you've Driven both is a weak PC argument.
I mean since always, 0-300-0 0-400-0 bu bugatti or koenigsegg are also not measured by distance but by time
This guy makes top gear look so boring, cause honestly reading the comments has been more fun then watching this review.
It's TG magazine not the TV show,
agreed
So true
If your mad that an electric car embarrassed top of the line sports cars just say that.
So not true
OK honestly, tesla fans, BMW fans, we can all agree that we need a more indept test or maybe a more experienced driver....
Not really, all that's going to happen is the numbers shift, but the result would be the same. This is just a classic case of goal post shifting when it comes to comparing tesla. First it was range (they now have 300+ miles and when driven hard a Bmw m3 is going to have less range than that, i use 3/4 tank on my track days in my RS3), then it was charging times (which are either overnight so it doesn't matter or 20mins at a supercharger for the few time a year you will use it, so perfectly acceptable), then it was battery life (now 8year/unlimited km warranty and should last 500,000km, more than most ice), then it was track performance (which is now shown to be perfectly acceptable and beating a car that is at the top of its segment), now its you have to using a F1 driver to get the perfect lap from both (which the majority of us will never get, I have done thousands of racing laps over the last 10 years, I am still not a expert and make error's all the time, noone is perfect)..........its all crap, the fact is, EV's are now to the standard required, people just don't WANT them to be.
Agreed however its not a pointless test, lets face it how many Tesla / BMW owners have track experience?
@@stinger15au I'm pretty sure no cars can reach their estimated range when driven hard. Also, an RS3 is a better car than the Model 3 performance so just be happy you have that.
@@goodfodder I agree, even if the driver really matters than perhaps the BMW is not the car for most drivers, most people won't be professional drivers so a Tesla will do a lot better on their hands. The crybabies should just accept the M3 defeat here, the car is already so technologically outdated compared to Tesla anyway, I wouldn't put that much money on it.
@@stinger15au They're in denial. They're insecure and scared little boys desperately clinging on to the novelty of a stick and noisy exhaust.
What happened to the stig coz this guy can’t drive
and thats the funny part , i did not notice its a top gear channel until i spotted your comment , this looks like some noob trying to break into youtube jumping on the hype of tesla , seems i missed nothing when i stopped watching top gear when the trio left
Stig... Incognito driver, who don't show his opinions on cars, don't talk about cars, has one job. Drive it to the track as fast as you can... As this car can. Other jurnalist will tell: Yes this car was faster, but afer this lap Stig looks like he will die out of stress, its hard to drive, don't buy it, or this car in Stig hand was słów, but it is realy Good to drive, feals comfortable etc.
I think Tesla will make it in all respects ua-cam.com/video/y141HtVlTVA/v-deo.html ^^
Unfortunately he does. But nobody can badmouth Tesla. Imagine your favourite driving movie with a Tesla! The original Gone in 60 seconds. *Sad face noises*
i must say, this guy doesn't know how to drive
He's also fucking annoying.
Tesla its boring , no exhaust sound , id ratter go to sleep.
@@juancruz-jg5pq Totally agree. It's a car with no soul lol.
More annoying than Clarkson
@@JCTiggs1 Because you're not wasting energy on noise and heat, it has no soul? Elaborate for me? Because that's the same shit they said back when the automobiles came out. Would you prefer we go back to horse and buggy?
If James May is Captain Slow, this is General Slow
Supreme Leader Slow
admiral SLow..
Lord slow
this is capitan “get moveing omg🤬🤬” slow
President Slow
I'm so happy I grew up with the old Top Gear
@@cinegraphics exactly
@@cinegraphics this is a joke right? you might get 1300 miles before the car craps out and blows the motor
@@cinegraphics You'll be lucky to get 350 miles out of this M3!
@@justabrokeredneck funny man you are, try to drive your tesla after 10 years... O wait then its already at the scrapyard poluting the world and the beamer is still going string for at least 15 years
Me 2
He was flailing out of the corners on 4wd Tesla but acted like the throttle would kill him in the m3
*AWD
@@mr.blonde7812 ERMMMM ACKCHUALLY IT IS A TEMPORARY GEAR AND, shut your clown ass up it’s been 4 years
@@mr.blonde7812 You can make it almost 100% RWD or FWD. Maybe not the classical definition of 4wd, but I would considor the Tesla 4wd. 2 independent electric motors on each axel lets it torque vector better than an AWD car aswell.
@@myles6235 you cannot shift the power in a Tesla.
@@chriscotton4207 I own a model 3 performance. Put it in track mode and you can change which wheels get the power in real time. Mid corner you can manually shift from total rear bias to total front bias with a slider on the screen. There's a reason the M3P completes the Nürburgring faster than an M3.
ive seen a guy constantly drift a model 3 around a parking lot
this guy cannot drive
Some rich kid Lowlifemike can drift his and these millionaire adults can't
I don't even think the Tesla was set on ludicrous mode.
Yes, but that was the Standard range Plus model, and that one has rear wheel drive. The performance model has AWD wich means it needs alot of computer work to get it drifting.
@@ok10469 The model 3 does'nt have ludicrous mode.
@@WRLDPost I mean the high acceleration mode
I feel like this is where the Windows XP background picture was taken lol
Teletubbies landscape
I was thinking the same thing! LOL!
It’s actually not too far off. The XP background was photographed in Sonoma, California. Thunder Hill is in Willows, CA. That makes them about 125 miles apart.
Yeeee
Napa valley California
"Moderately skilled driver"
*Has to race over grass and dirt debris from flying off the track*
*Drifts m3 for 1 second and compliments himself*
powerslide*
TripTheVoid Same thing
@@Mark-uk8wz not at all actually. Powersliding is taking a corner and sliding with the back a little. Drifting is turning and keeping it sideways just before the actual corner starts. ofc keeping it throughout as much as possible of the corner.
@@tripthevoid3317 Basically the same thing but earlier
What I was thinking, and also the comment above. Chris Harris will have the car smoking sideways and have the auto kick bang through a couple gears on the longer corners, while pulling out.
He drove that BMW like my mom would have driven it.
He's not a "Car guy", he's a "Corporate guy".
Alexander Hamilton and the Tesla too
This test is irrelevant you idiot how can you lose to tesla in m3 in lap times
No launch control used for the BMW but he had the Tesla in track mode.
I agree 💯%, the Tesla may have the better launch in a straight line, but the M is King of the Track any day of the week...
Especially when being compared to an electrical appliance...
And this here, is the place where the Windows XP wallpaper was taken :p
So I wasn't the only person thinking that then 😂
Golden😂😂
Same!!! 4:02
thank you just made my day😁😁😁😁
Sanchit Sahdev - Thunderhill Raceway In California
It took the m3 a shorter distance 0-100-0 so in my eyes, it definitely won that one. The hot lap was just fun, not a serious comparison. Actually, none of the tests were done very well.
I think the point was more to show that it’s a competent vehicle, rather than hands down scientific results
I don't thinks so pal, I'm a petrol head myself but you have got to give to Tesla except how fun and loud it is and always would be (I hope) to drive a good BMW
The shorter distance is because of wheel spin, the Tesla has virtually no wheel spin so no wasted space
@@somethingsomethingdarkside8245 Hloupost.. právě že se u BMW protočí kola tak má slabší start... Ale po rozjezdu má lepší dynamiku... Takže dá dřív větší rychlost...
Should've let Chris Harris do the driving
Should've let Chris Harris do the whole video
What happened to the stig
@@jaffejoffer2168 True that. No offence to the guy, the Alpine in the Alps review was great by him (edit: nvm, I just realized that it was by Ollie Marriage), but goddammit, I can get my FWD hatchback more sideways than this guy in M3
@@TheHilariousGoldenChariot Didn't Elon send him to Mars in a Roadster?
Unfortunately the presenter is no Senna,
He drives the m3 like my mom drives her xc90
That was painful to watch, top gear is officially dead
Yep, totally dead. I am not sure about the lap he's driving was going to grocery shopping or bias towards model 3. It is a M3 for God sake. My driving is more aggressive like that when I am in an autocrossing...
Can't agree more
@@林振华-t4v saying "It's M3, it has to be better" seems more biased than this video, no?
Can your M3 drive for you
@@iambenmitchell M3 drivers aren't passive. They choose to drive an M3 because they enjoy driving
Mother of god, this guy is driving like my grandma 🤦🏻♂️
Some of those lines in the m3 lap were abit questionable
Yea the driver held back
Yeah he didn’t use all the track but because it’s the same driver in both cars, it seems fair
@@juraj_b Pretty sure that's unfair since there is no skill in accelerating with an automatic car (which is Tesla's strength) while there is skill in cornering (which should be BMW's strength) and this driver clearly lacks skill. The test was bias towards Tesla so hard it's not even funny.
Exactly what I was thinking. It looked like he was almost cruising. It is a shame to top gear being biased and fakeing laps.
@@sasalolic999 Tesla has a much lower center of gravity, performance suspension, and AWD. It's better at cornering as well.
This has got to be the most unprofessional test i've ever seen
In what way?
Adding a professional driver would probably benefit the Tesla, this dude slid out onto the gravel on that track 😂
@@MarcCoteMusic Only a good driver would have consistent lap times.
they used a certified BMW douchbag to do the driving tho...
That was the point.
I've always wanted to race the Windows XP background 🏁
Bendik Stenersen 😂😂😂😂
It's even nicer in spring. A month ago it was all green, with ice caps on the mountains in the background.
lmao thank god im not the only one noticing this
Loosers!
It's the same place where the Teletubbies live.
Some say that he once lost to a drifting competition with James May, and he also sold a trolley from Tesco. All we know is, he's the Stig's non racer cousin.
the real winner? The Grand Tour.
You realise this is top gear magazine?
@@rockinatmidnight it doesn't really matter since they bear the top gear logo. The logo that should mean something. Well it meant something...
It used to mean quentin Wilson talking about boot space. Things change, now we've got two decent car shows
for Real hahaaha
boring and out of date. scripted and bad
This isn't Top Gear, more like What Gear?
More like Parking Gear.
LOL
The lowest gear:(
no gear like there's no gearbox on Tesla
Reverse Gear.
*In Jeremy Clarkson's voice*: THIS IS A SSSTUPID TEST!
*STYUPID
@@brois841 *Shtewpiid
Tesla smoke the M3 😂😂😂😂
@@adrianadair9891 LOL... indeed! :)
"I have no problem with electricity as a means pf propulsion" *looks down and dies*
6:18
This guy: Weight is everything of course
Clarkson: Speed and poweeer!
The tyres on the bmw didn't make a squeek, it had so much more left in it. Also the 0-100-0 is measured in distance, not time
I see what Aryan A is trying to say, but the time is squared, which has a much bigger effect than the acceleration. If you do the math comparing a Prius to the Model 3, you'll see that the Prius needs more than twice the distance the Tesla needs to get to 60. Forget about 0-100. The Prius barely gets there and probably needs a whole mile. I agree with you that 0-100-0 should be a measurement of distance.
@Aryan A WHAT?????
IMO, 0-100-0 is measured by distance and time, we could all agree that the Tesla is faster 0-100 thats why the car stopped first than the BMW. But braking wise, BMW got the edge on the Tesla thats why it stopped a shorter distance.
He definitely didn’t push the m3 around the track, I’ve heard Honda’s be pushed harder going to school
lol? the tesla has gone in distance because it covered more ground while accelerating.
Seriously? "Driftibility" as one of the points??? Top Gear has lost it completely
Spelling?!?!
@@dylanthornton2175 who cares? It's not a real word, so you can spell it however you please.
I think they need something the BMW could win at. I can think of a few like ranges, refill time, CO2 generation, noise (they keep mentioning it in the video).
come on...we all drift everyday when we go to work ahahah that´s why he choose the M3 😆...I just looooveeee the rubber burn of the tires 👏👌😆
@@thdjjfsfh Range? 310 for the Tesla vs 316 for the BMW. It's a wash, especially considering driving conservatively I can get closer to 350 miles in a Tesla Model 3.
The Tesla refills while I sleep. Even factoring in road trips, I spend way less time refilling my Model 3 throughout the year, and even then you can charge the Model 3 to 80% in around 30 minutes.
CO2 emissions depend entirely on your locality. In my state, less than 1/3 of our power is produced using coal/fossil fuels, and a Tesla Model 3s CO2 emissions are less than half of your typical gasoline vehicle. Not to mention hydrocarbons, carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide, brake dust, etc. There are maps where you can compare based on your state what is better for the environment, EV, Hybrid, or gasoline. By the way, gasoline doesn't win in a single state.
Not sure how noise is a win for the BMW, lol.
The BMW M3 2018 does not get 34 MPG!!! It only gets 17/25 or combined 20 MPG!! Also, MPG isn't a range, that's an efficiency! Since it has a capacity of 15.8 gallons, the BMW M3 gets a range of 316 miles with an average 20MPG.
Come on guys, at least put a little effort into your data.
You're absolutely right!👍
Gallons are a different size in the UK
@@edwardbrearey6413 ah yes, fair point. Nonetheless, they are still comparing two different metrics. However, the cars have similar range, one with 316 miles and one with 310 miles.
@@edwardbrearey6413 furthermore, that's about 28 miles per 1 imperial gallon. Still wrong on their end.
@@Refaldooloo one takes 5 minutes to refuel the other on the other hand lol
Please get a guy that can drive on a track otherwise it’s really meaningless
Bro tf is everyone complaining about he said hed rather have the bmw because its a better car so everyone should be happy
@@howdy3670 bmw is a better car?
@@Aprikuusi2003 Better as in more enjoyable to drive, which should be more important than the odd second in a drag race or whatever, unless you have a fragile ego.
'To keep the test fair, we will give the car to someone with no skill or consistency'... right.
Preach !!!! He barely know how to drive
Exactly
looks like he took more runs in the tesla as well they show where he wiped out maybe that should be his time.
He crawled that BMW round the last corner, vs almost losing it in the model 3 he was pushing so hard.
This is a weak video because we do not see how consistent this guys laptimes are. Need someone who can actually do this.
I hardly ever watch Top Gear videos because they lack entertainment and high quality. Not having a race driver do the laps is such a bad move.
I've done go-karts, a few trackdays on bikes (knee down) and cars but I know I'm not someone who can do lap after lap within 0.5s each lap. I doubt this guy can either. Which means a 1.5-2.0 second difference could be him.
This is not "Top" gear, it's not even Average Gear.
Top Gear downshifted to Low Gear
Julio Viloria absolutely
Julio Viloria best one yet 👌
More like shifted to reverse
loool 🤣🤣🤣
The Tesla proves it’s not a drivers car, this guy is a useless driver.
That's an interesting drift technique you've got there, I never even thought of starting the drift AFTER I'm through the corner.... GENIUS
@@wesselvroon2844 yez but he was hibting towards drifting the corner
The Tesla was awful at drifting. Be honest or you lose the viewer. We can see the Tesla is crap at drifting so why are you fake whooping it up?
Be natural and we'll go with you.
Also, please get someone who can do laptimes consistently. And if you can't then please do 5+ laps and show all the laptimes for both cars. That way we can see what's going on.
Next would be putting a camera on a sequence so we can see both cars overlaid and how they hit apexes or not.
Honestly, is like to know what each is like to sit, how they feel, look, what it's like to do a normal driving routine. Open door, sit in, start, select some music, navigation, aircon. The usual things.
Are Tesla's hard to use because it's all on a touchscreen?
@@Google_Does_Evil_Now lol what?
@@cytrynowy_melon6604 you'll need to ask more than *what* because you don't refer to anything.
Awfull, can i hear american ricers here? You dont gear down? You just push the pedal and thats it. Drifting at its finest. Great. So I was doing it wrong all the time. Great.
I think in Track Mode, you can turn the front electric motor off for RWD. Would have drifted much easier.
That would be drift mode , you’d loose 50% of the power
Get a proper driver then you can compare
No, youre just a buthurt bmw fanboy lol
cha cha cha... salty?
Dom T Fun fact: I don’t even like bmw, just look at how he’s driving in both cars, he can’t even drift the bmw and he calls the tiniest powerslide a “drift”
@@domtdoodar99 I'm a tesla fan, and I'd like to see the best available driver test these cars....
But I do see where you're coming from calling them BMW fan boys XD
Would it be fun to see a professional driver test these? Yes. Is that the point of the video? No. Plus, I bet 99% of the people complaining about this guy's driving skills would run slower laps and smaller power slides than this driver. Most buyers will get more from this amateur driver test than professional driving.
That’s not drifting it’s powersliding.
Drifting is when a car breaks traction with any other wheel so technically it is
@@hsvr no drifting is what you before the corner
Eman M so a burnout is a drift?
Insert Witty Name yeah. Tesla should update the software to unplug front engine in drift mode for pure RWD
It's so pintless to try to make "drifting" so special when it's almost ALWAYS a powerslide.
Pro drifters use wight transfer or the hydro handbrake to get it sideways and then hold it sideways on, guess what, the throttle. So are they drifting for a short amount of time until they're poweroversteering? Is it only a drift if there's a transition from one corner to another? Is it a drift if the "powerslide" gets held sideways longer than in the Video? At what point does a drift stop being a powerslide, or start being one.
Let's just make it simple and say a drift, a slide, a powerslide, a skid, it's all just plain old Oversteer.
How this guy can be in Top Gear when he even doesn´t know how to drift M3!
Yeah because you do keyboard warrior
@@vc8160 shut up you little bitch hes right anyone can drift an m3
I am a through and through petrol head, however drove a Tesla Model 3 a while back and was blown away, amazing car. For a daily driver & even roads trips, this is it. Will be my next car once I've sold the VW.
Well, driving skills aside, but the attempts at drifting were laughable.
crebegea XD
10:00
sennadasilva11 I disagree
0 to 100 to 0 The BMW did it in a shorter distance and lost???? How does that work?
Bob Houghton the tesla for being faster it reached 100 quicker therefore it was ahead of the bmw and subsequently it started breaking first too.
It is quite possible. Say for simplicity the Tesla is faster off the line but decelerates slower at say 80 to 100 range, so spends more of it's time at high speed but the BMW had a reverse of this thanks to the nature of ICE motors and lesser traction control than the motors/computers of the Tesla the distance travelled by the Tesla would be higher since more time is spent at in the high speed and not much at all in the low speed range but the reverse applies for the BMW. Again the total time makes no allowance for the split in deceleration at different speeds, so for example the Tesla brakes less hard at high speed and the BMW brakes hard at high speed but the BMW brakes fade they could have the same braking time but with the Tesla travelling a larger distance. This is probably not the actual mix of reasons, but how the time and distance don't need to match can make sense.
It just showed that the Tesla accelerates faster but the BMW has way better brakes. As for that being a "brake test" the results shown it is not. I was as confused as you were.
driver overshot 100, seems obvious
Bob, it seems to me the old is still true, "Figures don't lie but liers do figure"🤔
Yeah... use a person who can actually drive next time *cough* Chris Harris
Incredible how far electric vehicles have come in any case. 10 yrs ago they were a joke, today we're arguing about whether the chosen driver impacted the results of performance challenges when comparing one against an M3.
@aj lana it's only because it has AWD, but this guy was very biased. HE LOST CONTROL ON THE TESLA!!!!! HOW IN THE HELL DID HE NOT BRING THAT UP AGAINST IT??? OR THE FACT THE HE WAS ALL OVER THE PLACE AND ALMOST LOST CONTROL SEVERAL TIMES??? He was VERY biased, and not even a good driver.
It doesn’t matter who is driving, the Tesla will always win. Time to face the music BMW lovers.. it’s the end of an era..
Amen to that
@@stevendufour LoL. They didn't use the performance edition of BMW. And of cource, eletric motors have a great torque advantage but thats it. You can probably do 2-3 laps before the Tesla has to give in. THe M3? You can hammer it around until you have to refuel. You just can't compare a Model 3 with a M3. Give them both the same torque and you will see that BMW has the best chassis you can possibly get besides Porsche and some Mercedes.
8:03 this wins "Most boring Slowmotion of the year"
Tesla @3:46
M3 @5:40
Same curve. I'm an AMG fan and that M3 looks to be more stable. He may be driving the Tesla harder which is why he spun later. Going to hard. But I believe the M3 could do a better time. Let's get Chris Harris to remake this.
I can see. I also see Mercedes going hybrid to simulate the instant torque like electric vehicles. I think Hybrid cars will outperform electric cars due to weight savings. This M3 is lighter with less power but only a second slower in track times. Imagine an electrical motor instantly adding 130lbs of torque. With barely any added weight.
Not to mention the standing start. Nobody ever measures lap times from a standing start. Also 0-100-0 is always measured by distance. However, they had to do something to make the BMW lose or they wouldn't get that sweet cheque from Elon.
@@NeutralGenericUser He started breaking later with the Tesla, that's why he was a different distance from the BMW. But the measured distance was still shorter for Tesla.
I agree. Got my wife a Tesla 3 at Christmas and I own an '16 M4 myself, not an M3, but I think better times can be achieved. I don't have any plans to drive the Tesla this rough nor does my wife, so it was interesting to see. And hats off to you...the latest AMGs have some of the sexiest lines in terms of looks and of course, great performance overall.
Goldenport Park Circuit, Beijing pro race drivers drove the Model 3 ,c63 amg, and BMW m3 and results as follows.
1. Tesla M3
2. C63 Amg
3. bmw m3
Chris Harris will repeat the same results.
1/4 mile: OK. 0-100-0, OK, maybe. Hot lap (uh, get a pro). Drift? Who cares? How about a slalom, 60-0 braking, 100-0 braking, you know, things that actually matter when driving the car?
@@einfachben0399 No, it was about proving Elon's tweets right or wrong. I had to watch the video again (it's been 10 months!) and I'm even more convinced this was a bullshit test. If it is "about fun," then there should not be a winner. Musk's claims were that the Tesla is 15% quicker, better handling and faster on a track, then those are the things that should be tested and tested well.
1) Musk's claim of 15% quicker: 12,6 sec for M3, 11,9 sec for Tesla. 12,6 x 15% = 1,89 seconds. 12,6 - 1,89 = 10,71. So Elon's first claim is false. The Tesla is 0,7 seconds faster, which is "only" 5,4& quicker. Yes, definitely quicker, but Musk's claim was not correct. That being said, maybe a professional driver could get the Tesla 15% faster. Probably not, as 0-100 in an electric car is dead easy. BMW 1: Tesla 0
2) Better handling: This is where a slalom and even better an autocross with professional drivers should be used as a comparison. In fairness to both cars, it should either be with a driver who races both kinds of cars, or racers of roughly the same level of success/skill in each of the two different kinds of cars
3) The track test should be run by the same as the autocross.
And that is all that should be tested. Having two tests of acceleration without the 15% caveat basically guarantees that the Tesla can't lose. And again, if it were just about "fun" then you don't give scores or times, you just give "impressions" from an average driver taking the cars out about town and on a track.
This feels like top gear trying to win tesla back
There is nothing better than the smell of gasoline in the morning and the sound of the engine when starting cold with a cup of coffee. 😤🤘⛽⛽
can you please give the cars to someone who can actually drive
yes please
Just give him two days of instruction on this course and this review would be both palatable and credible. Dagnabit/Bollocks
For the lap times, if you're using the same driver in both cars, it doesn't really matter how "skilled" the driver in question is... Just saying.
Sure does. He lifted off for SO long in that first corner in the BMW. Easy 2 second loss in just that corner. The last corner he took way too slow in the BMW, turned right in, while the Tesla was pretty much spot on the racing line.
It even matters which car he drove first. He got used to the Tesla being a cow, then tried to treat the BMW the same way, nice and gentle, rip it out of the corners. It's the safe route to be fair. If he warmed up on the BMW and then took the Tesla for a spin, he would have ended up in a spin... several times over. Heavier car at same speeds will go wider.
@@gamebrigada2 I'm guessing you don't understand how statistics work...
He was driving the beemer as if on a sunday cruise altogether with his ametaur driving skills. Pure biased hogwash. Put Chris Harris behind the wheel and then we will see.
@aj lana yup, just wait for the roadster with thrusters
@aj lana in what world is bmw obsolete? they still have som of the best engines and cars in the world. a f90 m5 comp is literly faster then the dodge demon in a street drag race
Chris Harris tried the model S and he felt motion sickness while driving. So don't expect him to drive any Tesla cars.
Also an F90 m5 competition have a price tag in the 220k+ region. If we are talking those price ranges we could throw in the Tesla Roadster since it's in the same price category.
But if you put the roadster in that playing field it's going to smoke that bmw. Errr... leave in the dust I mean, because there's no exhaust.
Tesla smoke the m3 😂😂😂😂
rampage the sneaky lil bitch lol that means nothing a viper acr or Camaro zl1 1le would still smoke any bmw.
Watching the BMW M3 fanboys completely losing it in the comments is probably one of the best things I've ever seen. They can't seem to comprehend that the Tesla Model 3 is simply the better car.
Farzad Mesbahi agreed BMW fans are as bad as GTR fans. They honesty give real car enthusiasts a bad name. They don’t give credit where credit is due and hate anything that’s not BMW or a GTR. When you prove them wrong they cry about it because they know deep inside they’re overhyped car is not competitive anymore.
@@tristyn1124 Tesla fanboys talking about car enthusiasm :D golden
He drifts like me when I first started to drift in nfs most wanted
Did anyone else feel he wasn’t really giving full effort with the lap time in the BMW? And I’m really not a BMW fanatic.
fghftghfghgf, only BMW fanboys
I did, and I hate BMW
Sort of like the effort you gave to your YouTard name I guess.
TasteMyStinkhole, seems you’ve two stink holes...
fghftghfghgf I dont know what to believe about this model 3... someone beats the gt2rs with it in 0-100 but it loses to an rs3 in a quarter mile even off the launch.
The m2 beats the Tesla model 3 on track but the m3 loses 🤷♂️
I’m at a lost, the m3 beats the m2 and the gt2rs obviously beats the rs3. I think you’re right, the model 3 is an amazing car for the money but there’s a huge reviewer bias present because none of these comparisons add up.
It would help if you actually drove the M3 on the hot lap like you drove the Tesla...
Yea but then the check from Elon wouldn't land on the Top Gear account... seriously....I've driven a Model 3 on the launch event, it can't even DREAM of being as quick as a regular 3 series. A 335i will wipe the floor with it...yet here they managed to make the M3 slower. LOL. I've seen people with Model 3's at the Nurburging struggle to get it under 9 minutes per lap...not to mention it wont actually do a full lap there because it overheats by like 2/3 of the lap.
BeyerT1 you’ve driven a model 3 but not the model 3 performance? There’s a HUGE difference between the two. It’s instant torque mate. Why do people still get surprised if Tesla’s beat IC cars in the 1/4. It happens, get over it.
@Arif Dianprakasa search model 3 performance nurburgring and tell me that's a slow car. It's a very fast car and very economical can you drive 100km with €2 in the BMW? If you find a ice car that can do that it takes 10min doing 0-100kph
@@derbigpr500 This is a short tight track, therefore the Tesla has the advantage with its acceleration out of corners. The Nurburgring is a faster track with several high speed sections, the Tesla doesn't stand a chance there. So I really don't see any reason to doubt that the model 3 was faster on this specific track. Different tools for different jobs and all that.
@@aljowen perfectly said
This is why i love CARWOW channel
Underrated comment
loloolo
For the fun or for the actual cold blooded testing?
Really carwow? Into dad-jokes are ya?
This guy talks too much gibberish.
Wait.. this is a Top Gear video? 😂😂
Top Gear was only Top Gear with the Original Crew.
Oh, with Noel Edmonds, William Woollard, Angela Rippon, Sue Baker? Can't say I agree mate. I much preferred the reboot with Clarkson, May and Hammond. The original crew made the show more factual, rather than entertainment-based like the reboot.
I agree 100% but Jezza, Hamster, and Captain Slow weren't the original but they are known as "The Trio"
Also, this is top gear magazine.. NOT top gear the tv show
More like
First Gear
Yes!!! 😁
I've never seen range measured in MPG before! lol
just another video to promote tesla :D
@@Bv1nte Definitely seemed that way. Made me happy that the BMW trapped significantly quicker than the Tesla over the 1/4mile.
Bv1nte pretty good given Tesla pays $0 for advertising and BMW pays $3 billion/year.
@@MrWufpack The testing was pretty stacked in the Tesla's favour - AWD car with instant torque vs. 2WD car in the hands of a rubbish driver. I'd love to see the lap testing done with Chris Harris at the wheel.
Same for 0-100-0 who the hell mesures the Time instead of the distance?
Literally the M3 looks a hell of a lot more refined and aggressive
Can we let someone have a go who knows what they're doing please?
@aj lana I'm not the biggest fan of BMW's latest offerings, but to call BMW obsolete and failed ignorant at best. They sell very well. I think the fact that the BMW was so close in time even though it was way down in torque, one of the more important factors in such a tight course, is a testament to the engineering.
Regardless of anyone's views, I think we can all mutually agree which we'd rather have on the track.
Edit: As someone else said, have the test at a higher speed course and the result would probably be different.
what on earth are you talking about .... hope its not the i-pace because that is not better than a Tesla.@Tomi Hanzo
Yes, one must always have something to blame for. If you think he was doing something wrong, then you can do the same test yourself!
@Tomi Hanzo It is a particularly hard job to compete with those who have 100 +/- years of experience, so then it is quite impressive that a beginner like Tesla has managed to give them competition, and they have also improved, which is going to continue. Some also think tesla is 10/10 and Jaguar is 8/10 and visa versa.
BMW Forever, it a purist thing, techies will never understand
I didn't know that Top Gear now use the same production team as the Telly Tubbies ???
😂😃😆😆
Wow Top Gear... This was bad for a comparison "test"! Who says a flying start is nonsense and a standing start is how it's done?!?! So you basically had 3 drag races.
Every stig lap ever on top gear began with a standing start though.
That is a good point@@LethalJizzle, but he's not the Stig, as he clearly demonstrated - so consistency is lacking. Plus, they already proved that the Tesla launches quicker, so why not take that out of the equation and just go with a flying lap, like almost all qualifying sessions in motorsport. Just seemed a little biased.
@@NateRisch when you look nurburgring records etc..., they're all standing starts. Only in championships do they use flying starts.
on the other part, I kinda agree that 0-100-0 and 400m races were a bit redundant
Cause a standing start benefits the tesla. Most these comparisons by top gear are bias or set up befor the test. Think about it....a model 3 out performing a m3 on a track?. Nah dont think so with a professional driver. You can tell they didnt want m3 to win buy some of the lines taken on the track. Questionable I think compared to model 3. Leaves me to believe it was meant to win (model3) befor the race started. This is first one I've watched in a long time....now I remember why I quit watching them.
@@61percentodicarica no those track records are made with flying starts.
Elon has never driven a M3, he said his Tesla modell 3 has better handling xD
please, let Chris Harris do all the track days. ALL of them.
Jeremy Clarkson will be spinning in his grave!
... Wait hang on a minute...
Not really. He likes Tesla.
Svein Hanssen nah he doesn’t, his last recent review with it looks questionably forced
Svein Hanssen Jeremy Hates Tesla
This guy ain't top gear... More like he suck gear...
Someone get this guy off the show.
@@paulwilliams2024 Actually not ua-cam.com/video/_KEN-cxmGw8/v-deo.html
Results would have been more credible, if Chris Harris drove.
Have a look on this, same results in China with a professional pilot
ua-cam.com/video/q-QVKMOD_hU/v-deo.html
Chris Harris has already taught such complete nonsense about the model S let’s not let him in the car
Player hater
I WATCHED HIM REVIEW A TESLA AND HE WAS CLUELESS. HE DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE CAR OR HOW TO ADJUST IT'S HANDLING THEN WENT ON TO COMPLAIN ABOUT GETTING CAR SICK.
@@MICHGO1 Watched the review of Chris Harris about the Tesla. And it's completely far from what you are even saying. All his points clearly makes sense and he actually enjoyed driving the car and at the same time he pointed out the flaws of the Tesla Model S P100D such as the build quality and how 1 trick ponies they are. (Being only faster off line up to 0 - 100 MPH and 1/4 Mile Times) and how a slow 500 BHP Porsche GT3 with a manual transmission sports car that can catch up and beat it above that speed.
As 30 year aircraft mechanic I feel that the M3 is a fine machine , however if you want a car that's well engineered and will most likely cost you more than half as much to maintain and drive I would choose the Tesla . Its a no brainer if you have a place to plug it in at night.
This guy is not exactly a moderately skilled driver!
4:05
Car sucks too
Obviously not a pro, but because he made a mistake, doesn't mean he's not moderately skilled.. His driving seemend controlled imo.
Max much like my grandmother 😂
He is just bad. I have never seen someone on topgear drive in this manner. Yes, he is probably better than me, but this is topgear. I expect some standards.
@@honzakrcil7454 You got to admit that it was pretty cool though!
M3- 34mpg? I don't get better than 18mpg in my 335i!!
Motorway driving I get 34
That’s the reason for the Tesla win
They drove the M3 with that eco foot
RS3 vs Model 3. That would an interesting one. AWD vs AWD
It should be m5f90 AWD vs model 3
The Audi will still rip off the Tesla cuz it wasn’t made for a track
TIM - doesn't matter, any ICE car is like the HORSE & BUGGY when Compared to a TESLA.
@@markplott4820 until 230 miles...then one of them is on the side of the road for hours while the other has half a tank and 2 minute refueling stops.
@@Mr888rM which is irrelevant, most of the time, also its more like 300+ miles in most driving. I have a RS3 and love it to bits and if I am honest, ice cars will remain as the track day toys, but in the real world, ev's are here. They are faster, safer, have more space inside, a non zero but still much less pollution, have enough range, packed with tech and even look decent.
Tesla model 3 Nürburgring 7:44
BMW M3 Nürburgring 7:38
I can't believe how bad this driver is
John Cena he is an above average driver ,but I agree that he’s not “good enough” for this kind of tests
Its relative, right? Even a super pro driver the results are the same. The numbers might be better but the results are the same.
If he's driving both cars it shouldn't matter how good or bad he is.
Enrique Madera I get your point but its not like that ,there are easy to drive fast cars (tesla 4wd low senter of gravity,instant torque)and hard to drive fast cars( the bmw rwd higher senter of gravity atc ),that means that a “bad driver” will be faster with the Tesla even if the bmw had the straight line performance just because the bmw is more challenging to drive on the limit
@@duketlam9206 nope. Its much easier to drive a AWD electric car than the M3. On the Nürburgring with non semi-slicks the Tesla wont go under 8 minutes.
A Drift Score??? Are you kidding me? That is the most idiotic thing I've seen in a long time. You folks need to give your head a shake!
Remember this people get paid for this videos in benefit of this brand ( tesla ) , so they will make people think it can battle or win against an authentic performance car obviously the tesla its not a performance vehicle , neither circuit
@juan cruz You’re an idiot
Another word for fun
Forza games
A. ALAN but they didnt even have the Tesla in the correct gear for drifting
Jesus that’s a pretty track. Looks like the old windows screen saver.
Turn 10 is scary as hell on a bike.
That's is the official place of the windows screensaver
Levi Stewart no way.
@@nastystew6942 for real?
FOE REAL 😲
Trackmode 2.0 just turned that mod 3 into a savage drifter with all the awesome adjustments. Such a dope upgrade!
Fuck your dildo powered shitty car its no match for a mighty m3
@@howdy3670 HAHAHAHA Tesla's M3 just SPANKED that cute little token BMW, so I agree with you, its such a badass silent efficient monster! High five.
That BMW is a loud piece of shit that bogs down too much (like it does in EVERY video in existence), so we are on the same page. I am glad we agree that the obsolete bimmer got WHOOPED.
I am sure the simpletons that love that slow ultimate paper weight will probably cry though as they re-watch this video, so let me know when you find one who does and we can laugh at them together.
Why brag about not using a professional driver in a test where its car vs car? The whole point of using a pro driver is to eliminate that unknown.
@Fresh Trees But they're not doing real world tests. They're doing car vs car.
You think people like us would be driving track battles too?
TL;DR it was a bad test even if I think Electric would still win
@Fresh Trees I think so too
Because a man with a degree in journalism and no professional racing background, won’t be able to bring out the full potential of each car on a track... he did a 1.35 in the BMW to were a professional did a 1.32 on that same track.
The rest of the tests? I agree with.
@@Sorry_ImTruthfulSo you are saying that a professional driver wouldn't have done better with Tesla also? You can't just ignore one car in the test...LOL
Flash357 No, but I would love to see a professional driver go around in one... just by you reacting to my comment is the very reason why a professional driver should’ve done the “lap time” to begin with.
Claiming one car being faster based off of your own limitations and not the vehicles itself? Isn’t accurate, when there is already a set lap time for one of the vehicles with a better time.
A professional driver would have tracked a similar time to the one that set the fastest lap for that particular car... that journalist, didn’t even come close. Nor did he even come close to what the Tesla could achieve with a professional driver operating it.
M3 driver didn't even build up any boost on that launch 🚀
It's pretty much a mature version of i-VTEC I know because I'm a honda guy and M3's are Thhhicc asf
The one and only measurement that matters for a trackday car is the flying lap time...which you conveniently left out for an obvious reason. The 0-100-0 test has always been about distance, not time.
How do you figure? Wasn't the Shelby Cobra 0-100-0 about doing it in 12 seconds??
@@landychapman3 it's definitely about time
What matters most to a race car is durability during the entire race. How long will the Tesla run, or are all future races only one lap?
@@darthnatas953 jajajajaja. You are right, because every single one of us watching this video have gone hours of all out racing. I mean hours. We all just got lucky because there were no cops and traffic lights.
That’s why koenigsegg’s acceleration and coming to a full stop records are measured in seconds? Oh come on, bmw lost. Deal with it
"My drifting skills are intermediate at best" - Maybe I'm missing something, but if you're going to be the host of top gear, why wouldn't your drifting skills be amazing at worst?
"How to miss all the apexes"
This guy can't drive to save his life... why's he even a host on Top Gear, seriously?
Face it that tesla dominates
@Nicholas McGee that's worse
Lack of budget, hence a freelancer has been hired...
But still as good or better driver than 99% of people that will buy either.
His father is a very wealthy man... :-)
*4:05** Hit the road Jack And don't you come back no more, no more, no more, no more!!!*
I would like to see this review replicated with the new Model 3 Performance and the outgoing BMW M3.
On what planet does an M3 get 34mpg???
british gallons.
no kidding. I was suspicious of that number and doing a quick search (mind you BMW USA site doesn't list it) shows 2018 17 city / 25 highway.
Our Gallons are bigger than US gallons, it would be 28mpg in US gallons.
However everyone knows those numbers are unrealistic tbh.
Maybe they forgot the 1...
As the (M)odel(3) gets around 134mpg(e)
You know.. only like 5x the m3
oh gosh didn't realize there was UK and US gallons (first being 1.2x bigger). Even after 35 years in the US I still can't stand the imperial system. That adds another wrinkle.
I've been avoiding clicking this, for good reason apparently.
3:24 Microsoft XP wallpaper! ....
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U r awesome..
Cam da:)))
Windows XP.
All tests were ruined by this weird driver. Why is this guy reviewing cars, he can't drive a track, can't drift, it was painful to watch as a motorsport fan
WTH. Driver sucked in both cars. Top gear sucks after losing the original 3
I agree, Top Gear does suck now, but what are you bitching about the driver for? If he sucks in both cars then it's a fair fight.
You assume consistency and the ability to drive each car to its limit. A driver that sucks can’t do either of these.
When you called powerslides as drift. I just disliked and stop watching
If tesla drifts is that called eletric slide?
Good point
That's funny
lol
I'm pretty sure puns like that get you beheaded in some countries
Boogie woogie
It's rare to have a bona-fide track comparison between a Tesla and a worthy ICE competitor, so this should have been exciting. But then they put this guy in charge.
Judging by sliding/drifting?
I just lost respect for Top Gear
np, your bmw is still dope (y) =D
Well, you might find it strange but there are people out there who actually care about the fun factor of a car, so yes, it is a perfectly acceptable test if you ask me.
Ed doesn't understand driving at all
Can u even call this drifting?
?? W t f
As a BMW owner who has been left in the dust by Teslas there is no denying their speed! But when it comes to body style, steering/control and the amazing sound of an engine roar, I'm sticking with Beemers all day!
I was fan of high performance combustion engine. But it seems that sweet tuned engine roar - the sound of bets in class - is now just the noise of embarassment. When you have something thats all bark and no bite that's all your left with. There is no hope of ever catching electric with 10:1 power to weight ratio advantages. A good thing I think. You can spew out fossil fuels as a fun once in a while adventur eif you like - but as everyday driving machine they are slowly killing the planet.
@@bbbf09true af
For the record, Model 3 had an over the air power increase and now does 1/4 mile in the low 11s. If you do those tests again the Beamer will loose with even higher margin.
Yeah but for the record the M3 is a much older model that's about to be updated.
Fact
@@italianstallion399 True - but I think the point was that if you bought both e.g. 6 months ago, the Tesla just got better, whereas the BMW won't. For me, two of the prime considerations for picking a Tesla over any other electric (or most ICE) cars are the Superchargers (reliable charging - godsend) and the OTA updates *that Tesla support even for old vehicles*.
Unlike e.g. phone companies, Tesla (at least up to now) have continued to improve / roll out updates even for their oldest cars, adding new features and functionality to cars they sold back in e.g. 2012. Sure, those older cars may not have the latest hardware to take full advantage - but if it's e.g. pre-heating the battery before arriving at the charger, then that's something that even the oldest Tesla can do - and will be rolled out to all cars, rather than just reserved for the latest model.
BMW M3 the ultimate driving experience ! adrenaline ,excitement ,exhaust note ! Ow tesla well ? A Electric car for somebody in Silicon Valley .
BMW clearly not as good as Tesla
Two words... Absolute Rubbish... Perfectly encompasses this topgear video
Why are you like this?
Tesla smoke the m3 😂😂😂😂
@@biturbo1904 you mean the M3 smokes the Model 3? Because the Model 3 can't produce smoke
FalconGamer58 what does this have to do with anything lol. Why can’t you just accept the fact that the Tesla outperformed the m3?
@@JustAnotherUA-camrs the point ------>
Your head
Where is the part with drifting?
7:20?
Rave In Peace those are some power slides
ewanok Ah yes I agree, shallow and pedantic
Well ... go to UA-cam, type : drift
@@monday6740 or go to Giorgi and his M5 E34.
Test obviously suits the Tesla.. 0-100-0 is distance. Put anyone in the Tesla round a track and it will make them a better driver with all the aids. 4wd vs rwd.. put it up against a similar speced rs4 and see how it gets on.. quite clear that top gear are bigging up Tesla so that they get the new Tesla roadster or whatever it's called for the TV show.. put Chris in them both and see
jrice283 A RWD most of the times wins a AWD on the track. As faster are the corners the more advantage has the RWD. Being RWD is not the problem here. They’re comparing the hardest Track package from Model3 with the soft M3. What they need is the Competition Package M3.
Being RWD means lighter, less drag and faster. AWD is only good in roads that provide less traction. Not the case.
Especially including a standing start in the lap time. You're basically adding the drag results to the start of the lap times.
Yous 2 dont know your stuff then.. go watch what's quicker off the mark.. an rs4 or an m3..
Well not really, Elon's tweet compared the model 3 to the BMW M3 so they were testing his claims and thus used the M3.
The advantage the Tesla had on the track basically comes down to the acceleration advantage it got from a standing start. A flying lap would have told a different story...
I’ve driven muscle cars my whole life Tesla holds the road like no other. No more shifting and having the ass end fly sideways! Very safe and fast 💨 cars.