I saw some judgements here but to me, this video is one of the best illustrating how suitable this camera (not necessarily the best) is to me. Thanks for sharing, appreciated!
Once the recording time limts are doubled and usbc headphone jacks are enabled this will sell out everywhete. A 20 to 60m kit or prime oack in at $1499 or $1299 body only sale will help as well.
@@photojoseph lol You've got spunk, kid! -- actually my comment isn't visible anymore -- which has happened a lot lately -- can you see it? Is it just my browser somehow? Ciao, bello!
As an indie/low budget filmmaker, the S9 looks like a great choice to me. I'm shooting with the Sony FX30 at the moment, but, I really want an "excuse' to go back to Panasonic because I prefer the skin tones of LUMIX cameras in general. Plus, I've been looking for a full frame camera to go back to as well. Thank you.
As a filmmakers camera yes I’d agree. Or the S5IIx even better. But if you want one camera that’s both a take-everywhere EDC camera, _and_ is capable of filmmaking, then this is hard to beat.
Travelling with this, the TL2 and some I-series primes would allow for double-duty focal lengths. I also think that APS-C lenses make sense as compavct alternatives to very narrow-aperture FF lenses. Having said, I'd like to see some F4-F5 super compact primes. I like manual focus lenses (the X-Pro4 with Voigtlaender X lenses will be a dream; and keeps one foot in Fuji until Lumix icenses the HVF) but this particular camera with phase-detect and no EVF really begs for compact AF lenses.
The S9 makes for an excellent everyday carry, provided you don't shoot anything that moves (rolling shutter distortion) or indoors (banding in artificial light), both due to the electronic-only shutter and slow sensor readout.
If Panasonic can get users tuned into the benefits of open gate video shooting then they will have a winner. Hollywood’s been doing it for years-filming well outside the intended crop and refining the composition in post-but a lot of folks miss out. I saw a video recently of someone who has been using the full frame Blackmagic camera, but…never uses open gate which seems like a foolish waste either in buying the wrong camera or in not taking advantage of an essential tool. The LUT thing? I’m sure some will lose countless hours trying to find their perfect look. Will it sell lots of cameras? Not so sure. But cropping a 9:16 out of a 3:2, and having a composition that doesn’t look squashed down is a big help. And sometimes you miss the framing on a 16:9 frame and it’s a great help to be able to move the framing up or down a bit to make it right. Open Gate helps a lot, if people will take it seriously.
You’ve nailed it. Open gate is so awesome. I am currently pushing the industry to adapt open gate raw. I want braw and ProRes raw in open gate!! It’s really fantastic what we have today for relatively little money.
@@photojoseph I shot my last short on the full frame BMCC, and having the vertical latitude can be a lifesaver in post when you’ve been filming quickly and shorthanded. Sometimes you don’t see things quite right in the moment. It to mention the higher vertical resolutions available for anamorphic. I hate the idea of buying a DCI format camera ever again.
Brown leather would have been stellar! Likely will purchase whatever color receives the steepest discount and leather wrap it. The gradual patina of leather would be appreciated.
I assume you don't need flash, nor you photograph anything that moves at a medium to fast pace. Spec-wise, Panasonic was just a hair away from making a great starter FF true hybrid camera - only a 1/160 shutter-sync EFCS mech shutter, and a hot-shoe. The EVF of lackof is another thing, nice to have, but not needed. So they ended up with a great starter video camera, with some photo capability as well for some situations. Hopefully the much larger need for video than for photo, for the intended market, will help them out. Or, do they also have a similar camera, but with a corner EVF, and EFCS shutter, and reduces video capability, in their pipeline, as well? Other than that - nice camera, nice price, great idea with the huge LUT customisation. But not so great with the lack of headphone jack, nor with the lack of unlimited video (with a dummy battery), even in 1080p, in 2024? In some ways, it unfortunately looks a bit to be inspired by the limited G100 camera..
I think you’ve got the camera right. Definitely not for everyone. I’m surprised at how many people want unlimited recording though. In the social media, UA-cam, vlogging world, most takes are short. But hey, whatever you want there’s a camera for that 😀
@@photojoseph Yes, as long as you do very short takes! But if you want to do a talking head video, 15 minutes absolutely certainly won't cut it! More like an hour would be a comfortable for that, especially if you need to repeat some parts throughout. Secondly, under $500 cameras like the Sony ZV-E10 and even the slightly more expensive than that Canon R50, aimed also at a similar market (but much more entry level) offer unlimited 4k recording, and 1 hour per clip, respectively! So with the bar that low, you expect that a $1700 camera, premium, but entry-level for full frame, to have unlimited recording. Especially from Panasonic, which were the first to ever offer unlimited recording in a mirrorless camera, with the GH5, if I'm correct, way before Sony had anything spectacular in the video world. And yes, from a consumer perspective, if I pay that much on a camera, I expect it to have a reasonable set of features. Or especially not have corners cut where other cheper competitors show that those cuts could have been avoided, and would have made a much more versatile and usable camera. And I'm not talking S9 vs S5 mk II. Even with what I've mentioned, the segmentation would have been there - the S5 mk II with the pro body, weather sealing, EVF, 2 card slots, fan and thus unlimited recording without overheating in any environment, joystick and many more. But no problem, Panasonic has a history of making a Mark II shorly, if they do something slightly bad that cannot be improved by firmware, or just slightly mediocre. :)
Does the hybrid zoom work in 4k open gate aspect ratio? Or only in the 16:9 aspect ratio? In other words If I film in 4k open gate can I still use the hybrid zoom? Very informative video thank you!
Great question. Yes, because the 3.8K open gate is lower resolution than the entire sensor, so it can crop into it without scaling up. It's about a 1.5x crop max; for example the 20-60 becomes a 20-92mm lens. For reference, if you shoot 6K open gate, then you're using the entire sensor already, so crop zoom is not available. If you shoot UHD up to 30p, it's about the same as 3.8K; you get to 93mm on that same 20-60 lens. If you shoot UHD 50p/60p then it's already an APS-C crop so hybrid zoom isn't available. And if you shoot HD up to 30p, you get 3.1x crop, to 187mm on the 20-60mm. Interestingly if you shoot HD 50p or higher, even though it's still full frame, you don't have hybrid zoom. I'll have to ask about that.
For me, flash is not negotiable. I own an S1R, I can't see a reason to by any S5 camera, let along this. The S1R is to enable me to continue using select Canon lenses. Most of my photography is done with Lumix G and Olympus cameras.
It’s 2x depth and 4x the weight. So yes, it’s still a small lens, but it’s not this lens. I’m confident we’ll see a new line of compact primes from the L-Mount alliance based in the success of this camera.
@@photojoseph Nikon's 26mm f/2.8 is 30% deeper at 23.5mm and just over twice as heavy at 125g, but it has AF, a metal mount, option for filters and gathers 8x as much light. And it can still be stopped down to f/8 (and beyond!). You might have been thinking of the 28mm, but even that's less than 3x the weight?
Hi Joseph, thanks for the video! Does this mean it’s finally possible to use the grain simulation effect on every photo style and not only in L. Classic Neo and L. Monochrome? And most importantly.. will that be the case on the S5II as well once the app is released? 🤞🤞
First question - yes!! Second question - I don’t know to what level what features will go to older cameras yet. But they will all get updates to work with LUMIX Lab.
@@photojoseph great to hear about the grain!! I’ll keep my fingers crossed it will be possible on the S5II as well (but I’m sure Panasonic won’t let us down) 😊
30fps is fine as long as its real time, like not interpolation. You get the image stabilization, like on my G9, and you connect it to the TV, its all trailing, but at 30fps, it just has to focus, which i just use it for a microscope.
As a fan of the S5ii & S5iiX, I do like the look of this! I think the lens seems a little odd, I'll probably stick with my trusty little Sigma 45mm. But I looove the real time lut for photos. I used it on a trip to Belgium and was very happy with the results. Great video as always dude.
Thanks for watching man! Realtime LUT is super fun. I hope the S5II gets this implementation of it soon! How do you like that Sigma 45? I’ve heard good things.
I knew you would be jumping in on this so I kind of hovered around waiting for you to post.. I watched a couple of others but I wanted that in-depth Panasonic from the inside point of view. I'll be watching for your other new video.. would be interested in getting a perspective with the sigma 45 2.8 that many of us picked up with the initial S5 listing.. not officially a super compact lens but I used one on one of the Leica TL2s.. and it actually made for a nice additional area to handle the camera with... Keep shooting on this,, we'll be watching!
Yep. Pre-order in Aus at $2,599 incl the pancake lens. All gear’s pricey here. For comparison - Sony a7c ii body $2,699. But a FF compact with great video stabilisation - what else is going to give you that? Makes it pretty attractive to me.
@@photojoseph S9 w/ kit lens is 2999. S5ii w/ kit lens is 2799 (currently 2599 on sale) S9 body only 2499 S5ii body only is 2149 on sale atm, unsure of normal price though i see an S5iiX for 2599
@@mzungudave that’s $1732 USD - do Australian prices include tax/vat? This is a pet peeve of mine here in Europe; people say it’s more expensive here when that’s not true. $1499 USD is listed withOUT tax. Every state has its own sales tax (minus a couple at 0%) ranging from 5% to 11%. In Europe the €1799 price already includes the 20-22% VAT. So if your price includes VAT - it’s about the same as US or Europe. If not, then it’s a little more, but barely. In the US they are including the pancake for free with pre-order and after it’ll be $199.
Thanks for your usual comprehensive info. I'm glad to see L-mount really diversifying, and the new Lumix structure improving representation of the excellent products. We know you're already mulling over the app comparison video! -- what I'm interested in is how cheap and old an iphone or android (and especially huawei/non-google android!) can be used effectively!
Thanks! And hmm that’s a great question. I have a couple year old android that I’ll work with on this. I think Android is more forgiving in letting it run in the background so I’m anxious to try it out there vs iOS.
Are ther any clean HDMI out limitations if I connect to an ATEM Mini Pro? I'm hoping at least 1080p60fps with no time limits is supported (unlike the Canon R8 that stops HDMI out after30mins and is therefore useless in HDMI switch scenarios).
You and Hybrid have the best review of this camera so far. It's like no one else understands it. I don't know why Pansonic spends money to have influencefs who clearly favor other brands to try it out. They don't shoot Lumix, and clearly don't understand what Lumix is about. They're just paying to have others sully their name. Makes no sense.
I appreciate that, but I am a little confused by your response to the other reviewers. While I haven't watched ALL the videos yet, I don't think anyone so far is wrong. People have different takes on it, but we're all playing with the same set of facts. The criticisms I've seen are legitimate to that individual. Example; personally I don't find the limited recording times a problem; I've never shot more than a few minutes at once in the field. But, that is a problem for some. I also think it's very important for non LUMIX shooters to use the camera. They provide important context and more often than not, find features and capabilities that they didn't even know were missing from other brands. There is no "best" or "perfect" camera. I think the other reviews (of the ones I've seen, of course) are all valid and good.
@@photojoseph A very classy and diplomatic answer. Let me put it this way. When I see the reviewers who bash Panasonic from everything to trade shows to B&H events, show up in a Panasonic sponsored event, it's comes across as disingenuous (read: they wanted a free trip to Japan). True, no camera is perfect, but these influencers, at best, have a cognitive bias that isn't a great look for Panasonic. Remember how they all complained about contrast auto-focus? They did it for clicks. And that kind of thing comes across, more than an honest review of the camera. And it's detrimental to the ecosystem. Apple wouldn't have a chance if it started today, the Mac with that little ram. That's why I tend to watch people like you, who offer solutions to the "problem" (the head jack) as opposed to those who just bitch and moan about another "problem". The problem is always a skill issue. Cheers! :)
Again, appreciated. I would say that the complaints about contrast AF were valid… Panasonic should have switched to PDAF a long time ago. Those reviewers being invited were invited because Panasonic wanted to get the new gear (S5II with PDAF, originally) in their hands, and this was a very good way to do it. And it worked -- the camera got reviewed by lots of people who probably would have ignored it out of bias.
@@photojoseph Good point about getting the camera in more hands. I am a curmudgeon. lol Perhaps that is why I did like listening to Matt Frazer explain (read: Rage) how Contrast Detect focus works, which is similar to PDAF, and him raging against how people only brought up "buzzwords". A very knowledgeable and funny guy, as you know. And speak of coincidences! With the news today the s9 drama and lumix! You don't need to comment. It's all silly, but oddly relevant. hahaha. I look forward to more of your vids. Hope you're loving life abroad!
Hello Joseph. You say it has excellent IBIS. What is the IBIS like for shooting still photography. I think it is the Panasonic Lumix G100 that does not have as good an IBIS as it is on electronic stabilisation. Is the Panasonic S9 electronic stabilisation too ? As
The G100 is totally different. The IBIS on this is the same as the S5II which is the most advanced made in a full frame camera. It has both mechanical and electronic depending on your needs. You can literally run with the camera and it’s like a gimbal if you turn it up to max.
@@photojoseph thank you very much. So far it is not apparent to me that reviewers are commenting on what you told me and as they say the IBIS is excellent they are doing a video and presenting that as they talk. That has helped to clarify that.
It's one of those features that to explain in full, you need several minutes, and these kind of initial reviews no one wants to do that. But here's the basics: 1. You have IBIS on or off (and if the lens has OIS, it'll use both). This is already very good for handheld photos or video, being able to hold photos for longer exposures than you could without. All lenses will allow a general "all direction" stabilization, and some lenes add a "panning" stabilization. 2. For video, two levels of E-stabilization; standard and high. Each crops the image to allow room for digital stabilization. In high, you can literally run with the newer cameras and it's like holding a gimbal. It's f'in nuts. 3. Boost IS for Video essentially locks the camera as if it were on a tripod. This is not electronic! It's incredible. If you try to pan the camera in this mode, the image jumps as it will basically fight you to stay stable. 4. Anamorphic modes, where it adjusts the stabilization algorithm to minimize warping on the edges prevalent with standard stabilization and anamorphic lenses. hope that helps!
Love the video! Great Job! What type of filters are you using with your Lumix Camera? Love the Footage in this review of the S9. I have a S5 and S5markIIX. Will be looking to add the S9 to my collection!
I think everyone agrees it should be a couple hundred bucks cheaper. But I’ve carried an S5II and I’ve carried the S9 - the S9 is a far more “pocketable” camera. It’s just a different market. And yeah the LIT thing is super cool!
S5 II With the 20-60 and the 50 lens cost last week in France in Paris at 1890 euros. Same as G9 II without lens... . So, why creating a S9 lower than these 2 cameras!! Very bad marketing position.... You always need to edit your pics... So you will do it on a small screen phone. 🤣🤣🤣. Just a bad idea... It is just a camera to occuped the position market of other small Sony and fuji... That we need and want is a real internal thetering on all lumix camera on a good external monitor at 4500 nits (foldable vivo x fold3 pro for exemple?!? YES !!! ). If I want to push faster my pics on insta or else, I will do it like this... On my, foldable with my LR software and my presets.. No needs of luts.... Why creating an other software like others... So, Thank you for your videos always very interesting. Your vision is always great to make up grown up 🙏👍
S5II with the 20-60 AND with the 50 for €1890? Sounds too good to be true; maybe used or if “fell of the back of a truck”, as we say? Anyway I think you’re missing the point of realtime LUT. To say you “always need to edit your photos” is simply not true. If you can get something you love SOOC (straight out of camera), why would you not do that? Shooting this way is a very different approach to shooting RAW to edit later. Different workflows for different use cases. I wouldn’t shoot a wedding this way, but I’d 100% shoot travel, family, casual, street photos, etc like this. Tethering to an external monitor? Dude you know we’ve had HDMI to ATOMOS and Blackmagic recorders for ever, right? ProRes, ProRes RAW, Blackmagic RAW - that’s all there and has been there for EVER. You’re clearly approaching this from a much higher end workflow. This camera and this workflow may not be for everyone, but even coming from someone who DOES do that workflow (I’m talking about me here), I LOVE shooting this way. How many times have I shot something with the intention of editing it later and never doing it? Too many to count. I’m good with having it done and done, in camera. Not perfect? Embrace the imperfections. Life is messy. And that’s OK.
I truly don’t understand this attitude. Plenty of people never use the viewfinder and are never affected by electronic shutter or record limits. People are acting like this is the first camera ever made that has or lacks these features. But I’m glad you like the LUT thing. It is cool.
@joseacarrasm you say that like getting a free camera is special. This is literally my job. I get tons of gear all the time. Some hangs around longer than others. I couldn’t care less about a free camera. What I care about is sharing with my audience what’s new and exciting. Not I nor a single one of my peers has called this camera perfect. Its flaws are listed everywhere. Yes the “free” trip to Japan is nice but if you think that “buys” a positive review, you clearly have zero idea how this works. Those trips cost money (I’m probably about $1500 out of pocket, and will not make that up on ad revenue), and time away from family, and delayed other paying gigs. I’m not gonna cry about it - it was a great trip - but I’m not bullish on the camera because I went to Japan. I’m bullish on the camera for all the reasons listed in this video. I certainly hope you watched it to the end so you even know what those are.
@@photojoseph don't take it wrong, I do appreciate that people like you offer us entertain by showing places we might never get to know, and yes I am not in that business and sorry if i was to harsh with my comments
Useful roundup of features, and what needs the camera fulfills. But that lens! It is useless for video because it does not even have a front filter thread. So, no ND possible. Yes, I believe in 180 rule, and shooting V Log at 640 ISO in bright sunlight requires an ND. f8 is too open! In the US, a preorder of the S9 gets you the pancake lens for free. At that price, the lens is still not worthwhile for me! I will pass on the lens even for free. I will use the S9 as a miniature S5 ii for video, which is its best use. Obviously, more compact FF lenses are needed. And, if we are wishing, power zooms. Panasonic is all in for video in its cameras, but not in its lens offerings.
@photojoseph Yet, clearly the touted use (appropriately) for the camera is video! The lens is a bad joke. It is there to make the camera look compact. And asking the mode user of this camera, sold on its ease of use, to manually focus is absurd. Hyperfocal distance calculations for those used to shooting with phones, really? I really like the S9, and am shocked at that lens fakery.
OK, so LUTs aren't for you. That doesn't make them silly. I, and many many others, love shooting with them. I will agree that having a viewfinder would be nice though.
they are presets in a way, yes, and they are applied at the time of processing so that means before the raw file is even created. And as I very very clearly pointed out, you can shoot RAW+JPEG if you want both. So I'm not sure what you're saying here. It's a very cool feature. Not everyone wants to edit every photo in lightroom/photoshop whatever. Sometimes it's nice to just shoot and have immediate results. I really don't know why you have a problem with that.
Thank you for the constructive comment. It’s folks like you that make UA-cam so pleasurable for the rest of us. You will always have a special place in my heart!
A $1500 camera that can't shoot moving subject (because of rolling shutter) or indoors (light banding + no flash) 😂. The video features are cool ig but they're literally the S5II's features.
😂 unless you're shooting from a moving train, electronic shutter of moving subjects is not a big problem. Every example problem you've seen is someong whipping the camera around. Is that how you take pictures? And the light banding issue is mitigated in-camera. Clearly I need to do a video on this as everyone complaining about it has quite obviously never used a LUMIX camera. They solved that issue years ago.
I saw some judgements here but to me, this video is one of the best illustrating how suitable this camera (not necessarily the best as there is none) is to me. Thanks for sharing, appreciated!
Tuned out all the noise, tuned out all the buzz and hoopla, did my own research, purchased it, outside...shooting with it. Absolutely LOVING it !
There we go! Apparently the “dO YouR OwN reSeArCH!!” crowd was right! 😅Thanks for sharing!
I saw some judgements here but to me, this video is one of the best illustrating how suitable this camera (not necessarily the best) is to me. Thanks for sharing, appreciated!
This is the best video i’ve seen describing the features of a camera and how to use them in such a concise manner! 👏👏
Thank you!
Once the recording time limts are doubled and usbc headphone jacks are enabled this will sell out everywhete.
A 20 to 60m kit or prime oack in at $1499 or $1299 body only sale will help as well.
"In-camera looks" would have been a MUCH better name 😭
Yeah, there’s technically right and there’s marketing. Can’t win ‘em all!!
After hanging out with PhotoJoseph for a week I have to come clean... JOSEPH IS A FREAKIN ROCK STAR
Haha! You rock man. Super glad we go to hang out!
That's sayin' something considering your usual babe parade💎🦘
Wait… I’m not a babe?! 😂😂
@@photojoseph hahaha
@@photojoseph lol You've got spunk, kid! -- actually my comment isn't visible anymore -- which has happened a lot lately -- can you see it? Is it just my browser somehow? Ciao, bello!
thanks for being upfront about being a Lumix ambassador.
Always
As an indie/low budget filmmaker, the S9 looks like a great choice to me. I'm shooting with the Sony FX30 at the moment, but, I really want an "excuse' to go back to Panasonic because I prefer the skin tones of LUMIX cameras in general. Plus, I've been looking for a full frame camera to go back to as well. Thank you.
That’s awesome to hear! I kinda want to compare it rigged up like a “The Creator” rig 😄
Just save up for the s5ii man.
As a filmmakers camera yes I’d agree. Or the S5IIx even better. But if you want one camera that’s both a take-everywhere EDC camera, _and_ is capable of filmmaking, then this is hard to beat.
Use the Zoom M3 mic and an LED light, maybe a Rotolight ! Better sound head phone jack, see the light use Lut ! Winner !
This video is super detailed! Good stuff bro!
Thanks man! Much appreciated! Now I need some sleep…
Travelling with this, the TL2 and some I-series primes would allow for double-duty focal lengths. I also think that APS-C lenses make sense as compavct alternatives to very narrow-aperture FF lenses. Having said, I'd like to see some F4-F5 super compact primes. I like manual focus lenses (the X-Pro4 with Voigtlaender X lenses will be a dream; and keeps one foot in Fuji until Lumix icenses the HVF) but this particular camera with phase-detect and no EVF really begs for compact AF lenses.
I concur. There does need to be more compact lenses. I think it’ll happen now that there’s a body that is begging for it!
The S9 makes for an excellent everyday carry, provided you don't shoot anything that moves (rolling shutter distortion) or indoors (banding in artificial light), both due to the electronic-only shutter and slow sensor readout.
Or outdoors in the sunlight, where you can't see what you're doing with no viewfinder.
Thanks for this informative video… this camera is for me 🤙🏻 I don’t know why many people complain while there are other options
People need to have something to complain about 🤷🏼♂️
Does the hybrid zoom work in 60fps for video?
No, because 60p is cropped to APSC. So you don’t have any more room on the sensor to push into.
@@photojoseph thank you that’s a huge bummer! That would be a massive game changer for real estate. I’d never have to swap lenses anymore.
Can you give a link for download footage from S9 to try them in the editors? Ideally, FHD 60 fps, in maximum quality. Thanks!
Sorry I don’t have anything like that prepared. But it’s the same sensor as the S5II if you can find footage from that camera.
If Panasonic can get users tuned into the benefits of open gate video shooting then they will have a winner. Hollywood’s been doing it for years-filming well outside the intended crop and refining the composition in post-but a lot of folks miss out. I saw a video recently of someone who has been using the full frame Blackmagic camera, but…never uses open gate which seems like a foolish waste either in buying the wrong camera or in not taking advantage of an essential tool. The LUT thing? I’m sure some will lose countless hours trying to find their perfect look. Will it sell lots of cameras? Not so sure. But cropping a 9:16 out of a 3:2, and having a composition that doesn’t look squashed down is a big help. And sometimes you miss the framing on a 16:9 frame and it’s a great help to be able to move the framing up or down a bit to make it right. Open Gate helps a lot, if people will take it seriously.
You’ve nailed it. Open gate is so awesome. I am currently pushing the industry to adapt open gate raw. I want braw and ProRes raw in open gate!! It’s really fantastic what we have today for relatively little money.
@@photojoseph I shot my last short on the full frame BMCC, and having the vertical latitude can be a lifesaver in post when you’ve been filming quickly and shorthanded. Sometimes you don’t see things quite right in the moment. It to mention the higher vertical resolutions available for anamorphic. I hate the idea of buying a DCI format camera ever again.
Brown leather would have been stellar! Likely will purchase whatever color receives the steepest discount and leather wrap it. The gradual patina of leather would be appreciated.
I had the same thought. Love the look of well-loved leather!
If that camera had a popup EVF and that lens was autofocus. I'd be buying. As is, no deal.
Fair enough! “Pop up EVF”… love that. Man that would be cool!
I assume you don't need flash, nor you photograph anything that moves at a medium to fast pace.
Spec-wise, Panasonic was just a hair away from making a great starter FF true hybrid camera - only a 1/160 shutter-sync EFCS mech shutter, and a hot-shoe. The EVF of lackof is another thing, nice to have, but not needed. So they ended up with a great starter video camera, with some photo capability as well for some situations. Hopefully the much larger need for video than for photo, for the intended market, will help them out.
Or, do they also have a similar camera, but with a corner EVF, and EFCS shutter, and reduces video capability, in their pipeline, as well?
Other than that - nice camera, nice price, great idea with the huge LUT customisation. But not so great with the lack of headphone jack, nor with the lack of unlimited video (with a dummy battery), even in 1080p, in 2024? In some ways, it unfortunately looks a bit to be inspired by the limited G100 camera..
I think you’ve got the camera right. Definitely not for everyone. I’m surprised at how many people want unlimited recording though. In the social media, UA-cam, vlogging world, most takes are short. But hey, whatever you want there’s a camera for that 😀
@@photojoseph
Yes, as long as you do very short takes! But if you want to do a talking head video, 15 minutes absolutely certainly won't cut it! More like an hour would be a comfortable for that, especially if you need to repeat some parts throughout.
Secondly, under $500 cameras like the Sony ZV-E10 and even the slightly more expensive than that Canon R50, aimed also at a similar market (but much more entry level) offer unlimited 4k recording, and 1 hour per clip, respectively!
So with the bar that low, you expect that a $1700 camera, premium, but entry-level for full frame, to have unlimited recording. Especially from Panasonic, which were the first to ever offer unlimited recording in a mirrorless camera, with the GH5, if I'm correct, way before Sony had anything spectacular in the video world.
And yes, from a consumer perspective, if I pay that much on a camera, I expect it to have a reasonable set of features. Or especially not have corners cut where other cheper competitors show that those cuts could have been avoided, and would have made a much more versatile and usable camera.
And I'm not talking S9 vs S5 mk II. Even with what I've mentioned, the segmentation would have been there - the S5 mk II with the pro body, weather sealing, EVF, 2 card slots, fan and thus unlimited recording without overheating in any environment, joystick and many more.
But no problem, Panasonic has a history of making a Mark II shorly, if they do something slightly bad that cannot be improved by firmware, or just slightly mediocre. :)
How has it been to now
I love the camera. Still wish it had an EVF but other than that, it’s fantastic.
Does the hybrid zoom work in 4k open gate aspect ratio? Or only in the 16:9 aspect ratio? In other words If I film in 4k open gate can I still use the hybrid zoom? Very informative video thank you!
Great question. Yes, because the 3.8K open gate is lower resolution than the entire sensor, so it can crop into it without scaling up. It's about a 1.5x crop max; for example the 20-60 becomes a 20-92mm lens. For reference, if you shoot 6K open gate, then you're using the entire sensor already, so crop zoom is not available. If you shoot UHD up to 30p, it's about the same as 3.8K; you get to 93mm on that same 20-60 lens. If you shoot UHD 50p/60p then it's already an APS-C crop so hybrid zoom isn't available. And if you shoot HD up to 30p, you get 3.1x crop, to 187mm on the 20-60mm. Interestingly if you shoot HD 50p or higher, even though it's still full frame, you don't have hybrid zoom. I'll have to ask about that.
Love the flexibility of this camera. Hope they come to the s5ii series.
Yes, me too!
Flexibility? Name a few!
@@log791 Specifically, the app with the lut sharing options.
Good hanging with you in Japan 🙏🏾🙏🏾 this cameras stayed Iin my bag/pocket since i got it, and idk when it’s going to leave 😅
Likewise buddy and yeah man, glad to see you’re loving it too!
Awesome hanging out with you and eating some of the best food. Great video bro super in depth.
Thanks man, dude let’s go back and tart eating again. Seriously ridiculous.
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For me, flash is not negotiable.
I own an S1R, I can't see a reason to by any S5 camera, let along this.
The S1R is to enable me to continue using select Canon lenses. Most of my photography is done with Lumix G and Olympus cameras.
Fair enough! You can put the Canon lenses on here, but yeah it doesn’t make much sense.
It's weird they released a pancake fixed f8 28mm, when the Nikon equivalent is 2.8 and not exactly massive.
It’s 2x depth and 4x the weight. So yes, it’s still a small lens, but it’s not this lens. I’m confident we’ll see a new line of compact primes from the L-Mount alliance based in the success of this camera.
@@photojoseph Nikon's 26mm f/2.8 is 30% deeper at 23.5mm and just over twice as heavy at 125g, but it has AF, a metal mount, option for filters and gathers 8x as much light. And it can still be stopped down to f/8 (and beyond!). You might have been thinking of the 28mm, but even that's less than 3x the weight?
Hi Joseph, thanks for the video!
Does this mean it’s finally possible to use the grain simulation effect on every photo style and not only in L. Classic Neo and L. Monochrome?
And most importantly.. will that be the case on the S5II as well once the app is released? 🤞🤞
First question - yes!! Second question - I don’t know to what level what features will go to older cameras yet. But they will all get updates to work with LUMIX Lab.
@@photojoseph great to hear about the grain!! I’ll keep my fingers crossed it will be possible on the S5II as well (but I’m sure Panasonic won’t let us down) 😊
Great review as always.
It was good talking to you again in Osaka
Yo! Thank you brother. Just added your video to my queue. And… we’ll always have 7-11! 😅
I like big LUTs and I cannot lie!
🤣🤣🤣 best comment ever!
30fps is fine as long as its real time, like not interpolation. You get the image stabilization, like on my G9, and you connect it to the TV, its all trailing, but at 30fps, it just has to focus, which i just use it for a microscope.
Uh… what?
what, wait, 18 to 40mm? That sounds awesome
Yeah! It’ll be a while before we have it but yes it sounds great
@@photojoseph I was always hoping for a 20-60 with a faster or constant aperture.
As a fan of the S5ii & S5iiX, I do like the look of this! I think the lens seems a little odd, I'll probably stick with my trusty little Sigma 45mm. But I looove the real time lut for photos. I used it on a trip to Belgium and was very happy with the results. Great video as always dude.
Thanks for watching man! Realtime LUT is super fun. I hope the S5II gets this implementation of it soon! How do you like that Sigma 45? I’ve heard good things.
@@photojoseph Do you mean you hope the S5II gets the same APP / 39 luts saved via the app, or ? Because currently I have 10 LUTS saved on my S5ii..
The app, the storage, and the dedicated LUT button (via software of course which can be programmed to any other button)
I knew you would be jumping in on this so I kind of hovered around waiting for you to post.. I watched a couple of others but I wanted that in-depth Panasonic from the inside point of view. I'll be watching for your other new video.. would be interested in getting a perspective with the sigma 45 2.8 that many of us picked up with the initial S5 listing.. not officially a super compact lens but I used one on one of the Leica TL2s.. and it actually made for a nice additional area to handle the camera with... Keep shooting on this,, we'll be watching!
Thanks man! I haven’t played with that Sigma. Is it nice?
Great to meet you last week! :)
Likewise man!
well done my man! happy to see you in the mix of this lumix drop!
Hey mate! Thanks!
Fantastic video as always! Was great to meet you in Osaka. 📸
Thanks man, and likewise!
Yes Joseph, please do a Tutorial on the LUMIX Lab.
You got it! As soon as it’s out of beta.
@@photojoseph Thanks a million, Brother.
Thanks for the detailed review ! Can’t wait for the 10mm review 😊
Coming soon!
1499 usd? damn the markup here in Aus is crazy; the S9 is more expensive than a S5ii down here.
What is the price in AUS?
Yep. Pre-order in Aus at $2,599 incl the pancake lens. All gear’s pricey here. For comparison - Sony a7c ii body $2,699. But a FF compact with great video stabilisation - what else is going to give you that? Makes it pretty attractive to me.
@@photojoseph S9 w/ kit lens is 2999. S5ii w/ kit lens is 2799 (currently 2599 on sale)
S9 body only 2499
S5ii body only is 2149 on sale atm, unsure of normal price though i see an S5iiX for 2599
@@mzungudave that’s $1732 USD - do Australian prices include tax/vat? This is a pet peeve of mine here in Europe; people say it’s more expensive here when that’s not true. $1499 USD is listed withOUT tax. Every state has its own sales tax (minus a couple at 0%) ranging from 5% to 11%. In Europe the €1799 price already includes the 20-22% VAT. So if your price includes VAT - it’s about the same as US or Europe. If not, then it’s a little more, but barely. In the US they are including the pancake for free with pre-order and after it’ll be $199.
Yeah that’s odd
Thanks for your usual comprehensive info. I'm glad to see L-mount really diversifying, and the new Lumix structure improving representation of the excellent products.
We know you're already mulling over the app comparison video! -- what I'm interested in is how cheap and old an iphone or android (and especially huawei/non-google android!) can be used effectively!
Thanks! And hmm that’s a great question. I have a couple year old android that I’ll work with on this. I think Android is more forgiving in letting it run in the background so I’m anxious to try it out there vs iOS.
Are ther any clean HDMI out limitations if I connect to an ATEM Mini Pro? I'm hoping at least 1080p60fps with no time limits is supported (unlike the Canon R8 that stops HDMI out after30mins and is therefore useless in HDMI switch scenarios).
No -- no LUMIX camera has ever had an HDMI out time limitation. It offers clean HDMI output for as long as it has power.
Love the video. Though has the lumix lab app came out yet as I can't find it on my app store
Not yet, still in beta. It’ll be out when this camera is. Currently the S9 is the only compatible camera - but that’ll change.
Does this have the same intervalometer and 9999 shot limit for timelapse as the S52 ?
Thanks
I’m sure it does
@@photojoseph I can’t wait to get mine . Thanks
You and Hybrid have the best review of this camera so far. It's like no one else understands it. I don't know why Pansonic spends money to have influencefs who clearly favor other brands to try it out. They don't shoot Lumix, and clearly don't understand what Lumix is about. They're just paying to have others sully their name. Makes no sense.
I appreciate that, but I am a little confused by your response to the other reviewers. While I haven't watched ALL the videos yet, I don't think anyone so far is wrong. People have different takes on it, but we're all playing with the same set of facts. The criticisms I've seen are legitimate to that individual. Example; personally I don't find the limited recording times a problem; I've never shot more than a few minutes at once in the field. But, that is a problem for some. I also think it's very important for non LUMIX shooters to use the camera. They provide important context and more often than not, find features and capabilities that they didn't even know were missing from other brands. There is no "best" or "perfect" camera. I think the other reviews (of the ones I've seen, of course) are all valid and good.
@@photojoseph A very classy and diplomatic answer. Let me put it this way. When I see the reviewers who bash Panasonic from everything to trade shows to B&H events, show up in a Panasonic sponsored event, it's comes across as disingenuous (read: they wanted a free trip to Japan). True, no camera is perfect, but these influencers, at best, have a cognitive bias that isn't a great look for Panasonic. Remember how they all complained about contrast auto-focus? They did it for clicks. And that kind of thing comes across, more than an honest review of the camera. And it's detrimental to the ecosystem. Apple wouldn't have a chance if it started today, the Mac with that little ram. That's why I tend to watch people like you, who offer solutions to the "problem" (the head jack) as opposed to those who just bitch and moan about another "problem". The problem is always a skill issue. Cheers! :)
Again, appreciated. I would say that the complaints about contrast AF were valid… Panasonic should have switched to PDAF a long time ago. Those reviewers being invited were invited because Panasonic wanted to get the new gear (S5II with PDAF, originally) in their hands, and this was a very good way to do it. And it worked -- the camera got reviewed by lots of people who probably would have ignored it out of bias.
@@photojoseph Good point about getting the camera in more hands. I am a curmudgeon. lol Perhaps that is why I did like listening to Matt Frazer explain (read: Rage) how Contrast Detect focus works, which is similar to PDAF, and him raging against how people only brought up "buzzwords". A very knowledgeable and funny guy, as you know. And speak of coincidences! With the news today the s9 drama and lumix! You don't need to comment. It's all silly, but oddly relevant. hahaha. I look forward to more of your vids. Hope you're loving life abroad!
Hello Joseph. You say it has excellent IBIS. What is the IBIS like for shooting still photography. I think it is the Panasonic Lumix G100 that does not have as good an IBIS as it is on electronic stabilisation. Is the Panasonic S9 electronic stabilisation too ?
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The G100 is totally different. The IBIS on this is the same as the S5II which is the most advanced made in a full frame camera. It has both mechanical and electronic depending on your needs. You can literally run with the camera and it’s like a gimbal if you turn it up to max.
@@photojoseph thank you very much. So far it is not apparent to me that reviewers are commenting on what you told me and as they say the IBIS is excellent they are doing a video and presenting that as they talk. That has helped to clarify that.
It's one of those features that to explain in full, you need several minutes, and these kind of initial reviews no one wants to do that. But here's the basics:
1. You have IBIS on or off (and if the lens has OIS, it'll use both). This is already very good for handheld photos or video, being able to hold photos for longer exposures than you could without. All lenses will allow a general "all direction" stabilization, and some lenes add a "panning" stabilization.
2. For video, two levels of E-stabilization; standard and high. Each crops the image to allow room for digital stabilization. In high, you can literally run with the newer cameras and it's like holding a gimbal. It's f'in nuts.
3. Boost IS for Video essentially locks the camera as if it were on a tripod. This is not electronic! It's incredible. If you try to pan the camera in this mode, the image jumps as it will basically fight you to stay stable.
4. Anamorphic modes, where it adjusts the stabilization algorithm to minimize warping on the edges prevalent with standard stabilization and anamorphic lenses.
hope that helps!
Love the video! Great Job! What type of filters are you using with your Lumix Camera? Love the Footage in this review of the S9. I have a S5 and S5markIIX. Will be looking to add the S9 to my collection!
Do you mean glass filters in the studio, or LUT “filters” in the S9 sample photos? And thanks!
@@photojoseph Yes the glass filters you used in the studio are very clean sir.
No filters! It's all just naked glass. In my previous studio I had VNDs on a couple of cameras but not anymore.
@@photojoseph Great work! Nice!
For $200 less I can get a used s5ii. This is bad pricing for what it provides. Lut feature is excellent and should be in all cameras
I think everyone agrees it should be a couple hundred bucks cheaper. But I’ve carried an S5II and I’ve carried the S9 - the S9 is a far more “pocketable” camera. It’s just a different market. And yeah the LIT thing is super cool!
Does the cam better than fujivi
I think so, but I’m biased. Check out Cam’s video for his opinion; he’s a big Fuji user ua-cam.com/video/WkNQZ5XJ0oQ/v-deo.htmlsi=F4Dzk_dUekMrSRNB
@@photojoseph am not videographer am a photographer so😊
Yep. Watch his video.
12:50 Canon supports flash with all-electronic shutters. Has for a while.
S5 II With the 20-60 and the 50 lens cost last week in France in Paris at 1890 euros.
Same as G9 II without lens... .
So, why creating a S9 lower than these 2 cameras!! Very bad marketing position....
You always need to edit your pics... So you will do it on a small screen phone. 🤣🤣🤣. Just a bad idea...
It is just a camera to occuped the position market of other small Sony and fuji...
That we need and want is a real internal thetering on all lumix camera on a good external monitor at 4500 nits (foldable vivo x fold3 pro for exemple?!? YES !!! ).
If I want to push faster my pics on insta or else, I will do it like this... On my, foldable with my LR software and my presets.. No needs of luts....
Why creating an other software like others...
So,
Thank you for your videos always very interesting. Your vision is always great to make up grown up 🙏👍
S5II with the 20-60 AND with the 50 for €1890? Sounds too good to be true; maybe used or if “fell of the back of a truck”, as we say? Anyway I think you’re missing the point of realtime LUT. To say you “always need to edit your photos” is simply not true. If you can get something you love SOOC (straight out of camera), why would you not do that? Shooting this way is a very different approach to shooting RAW to edit later. Different workflows for different use cases. I wouldn’t shoot a wedding this way, but I’d 100% shoot travel, family, casual, street photos, etc like this. Tethering to an external monitor? Dude you know we’ve had HDMI to ATOMOS and Blackmagic recorders for ever, right? ProRes, ProRes RAW, Blackmagic RAW - that’s all there and has been there for EVER. You’re clearly approaching this from a much higher end workflow. This camera and this workflow may not be for everyone, but even coming from someone who DOES do that workflow (I’m talking about me here), I LOVE shooting this way. How many times have I shot something with the intention of editing it later and never doing it? Too many to count. I’m good with having it done and done, in camera. Not perfect? Embrace the imperfections. Life is messy. And that’s OK.
Thank you for your answer 🙏
The truth is that the camera hardware is a joke but the new Lut software has a lot of potential
I truly don’t understand this attitude. Plenty of people never use the viewfinder and are never affected by electronic shutter or record limits. People are acting like this is the first camera ever made that has or lacks these features. But I’m glad you like the LUT thing. It is cool.
@@photojoseph Forget yopu got one for free on a nice trip to Japan and perhaps you might share my point of view, I do understand yours
@joseacarrasm you say that like getting a free camera is special. This is literally my job. I get tons of gear all the time. Some hangs around longer than others. I couldn’t care less about a free camera. What I care about is sharing with my audience what’s new and exciting. Not I nor a single one of my peers has called this camera perfect. Its flaws are listed everywhere. Yes the “free” trip to Japan is nice but if you think that “buys” a positive review, you clearly have zero idea how this works. Those trips cost money (I’m probably about $1500 out of pocket, and will not make that up on ad revenue), and time away from family, and delayed other paying gigs. I’m not gonna cry about it - it was a great trip - but I’m not bullish on the camera because I went to Japan. I’m bullish on the camera for all the reasons listed in this video. I certainly hope you watched it to the end so you even know what those are.
@@photojoseph don't take it wrong, I do appreciate that people like you offer us entertain by showing places we might never get to know, and yes I am not in that business and sorry if i was to harsh with my comments
Thank you.
Only if you had more L mount pancake lenses….
Definitely needed!
So...for $300 more you can get a real camera..good luck!
“Real camera” 😅😅😅
Useful roundup of features, and what needs the camera fulfills.
But that lens! It is useless for video because it does not even have a front filter thread. So, no ND possible. Yes, I believe in 180 rule, and shooting V Log at 640 ISO in bright sunlight requires an ND. f8 is too open!
In the US, a preorder of the S9 gets you the pancake lens for free. At that price, the lens is still not worthwhile for me! I will pass on the lens even for free.
I will use the S9 as a miniature S5 ii for video, which is its best use.
Obviously, more compact FF lenses are needed. And, if we are wishing, power zooms. Panasonic is all in for video in its cameras, but not in its lens offerings.
Definitely not a video lens
@photojoseph Yet, clearly the touted use (appropriately) for the camera is video! The lens is a bad joke. It is there to make the camera look compact. And asking the mode user of this camera, sold on its ease of use, to manually focus is absurd. Hyperfocal distance calculations for those used to shooting with phones, really? I really like the S9, and am shocked at that lens fakery.
For a still shooter: LUTs are silly as I always shoot RAW. No viewfinder.
OK, so LUTs aren't for you. That doesn't make them silly. I, and many many others, love shooting with them. I will agree that having a viewfinder would be nice though.
@@photojoseph They are just presets in a way, and if they are not applied to the RAW.....
they are presets in a way, yes, and they are applied at the time of processing so that means before the raw file is even created. And as I very very clearly pointed out, you can shoot RAW+JPEG if you want both. So I'm not sure what you're saying here. It's a very cool feature. Not everyone wants to edit every photo in lightroom/photoshop whatever. Sometimes it's nice to just shoot and have immediate results. I really don't know why you have a problem with that.
Am I the only one, who noticed the iPhone upside down?
Ok, you made me look… not in the top-down shot. What are you referring to?
@@photojoseph When you were showing the app
@Sqeezy3 hahaha shiiiiit yep you win the award 😂😂 Man I was scrambling at the end to get this out on time. Clearly rotated that image the wrong way 😭
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Overheats .quickly..pricey..pass..but at least you got a free trip to Japan.
Wow, another one. Do you all shop at the same comment-reply store?
everything about this video is intolerable
Thank you for the constructive comment. It’s folks like you that make UA-cam so pleasurable for the rest of us. You will always have a special place in my heart!
A $1500 camera that can't shoot moving subject (because of rolling shutter) or indoors (light banding + no flash) 😂. The video features are cool ig but they're literally the S5II's features.
😂 unless you're shooting from a moving train, electronic shutter of moving subjects is not a big problem. Every example problem you've seen is someong whipping the camera around. Is that how you take pictures? And the light banding issue is mitigated in-camera. Clearly I need to do a video on this as everyone complaining about it has quite obviously never used a LUMIX camera. They solved that issue years ago.
The S9 does nothing for me....I won't buy one....I have a pair of Sony A7c bodies the serve me well...Cheers
Fair enough!
Oh look, more S9 shilling
Oh look, more mindless parroting 🦜
I watched and then realized i barely saw you in Japan🥲
I know man! No naps in cabs this time! haha Guess we all just have to go back again 😊
I saw some judgements here but to me, this video is one of the best illustrating how suitable this camera (not necessarily the best as there is none) is to me. Thanks for sharing, appreciated!
I very much appreciate that!