Comparing the pigmented fineliner brands. An overly critical review
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- Опубліковано 5 бер 2021
- I like to pretend that I can measure millimeters to the accuracy of two decimal places LOL.
In this video I compare the following 0.3mm fineliners:
The Uni-pin fine line
Pentel Pointliner
Faber-Castell pitt artist pen fineliner (which i often mispronounce)
Sukura pigma micron
Artline drawing system pen
Copic Multiliner SP (which is really 0.35 whatever)
I bought these myself and I don't hold back on my opinion. Enjoy.
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I’m glad someone finally brought up Pentels inexcusable refusal to make anything waterproof I thought it was just me that noticed
This is the 2nd video of yours that I have watched, I really liked this one, thank you for making it. You made me laugh towards the end a few times. You have a soothing voice and are quite entertaining. Will look forward to checking out more of your videos. Thanks for the 😅🤣
Even tho the micron basically got a hate latter here i wanna say, these are still good pens. For a serious artist one pen type is never enough. You have some for rough things, one for precisson, one for sketch practice and maybe 1 special for stuff you sell. I personally love them for sketching they are cheap (cash wise) and deffiitely worth having.
Maybe I was a bit too mean to the poor micron.
The dear Sakura Microns are quite acceptable in terms of quality / price but to tell the truth they do not tolerate much wear and tear. Many artists have given them a greater reputation than they deserve I think, when I bought them I thought they would be wonderful, but no, they are only acceptable . The issue about the gray tone of the ink of some cheap fineliners does not seem to be solved at all, for the same reason that in some cases that absolute black ink is required, it is better to resort to the good old dipping nibs with ink.
As artist for several years i think the lenght of the tips does not makes any change in matter of fineliners, not all the tip is able to draw and also when the point loses its shape the fineliner is kind of useless
Thank you, Ashsibe! I've been using the "look how fancy I am" Copic Multiliner SP set to ink a drawing, and the only thing that really bugs me is how loose the nib fits into the body--it seems like every other time I touch down on the page there's a squish as the nib pushes back in.
First video I've seen of yours, and usually I wait a bit before I subscribe. But when you busted out the microscope, SOLD. Excellent video.
The 02 Micron is a bit of an anomaly in the Pigma series. It has that kind of odd cone-shaped nib, which is quite different from any of the other pens in the series. Like you said, because of its shape, you can get a lot of line variation depending on how you hold it, which I actually like for some things. All of the other pens in the pigma fine liner series give more consistent lines, so I wouldn’t write off microns just because of the 02.
Same! If I have to fill up an area I just put the 02 at an angle to where it's thick
I only got the 02 to try it I'm planning to get a set
The Micron 02 is suited only for writing in very small spaces or for writing very tiny characters, that's what I use it for.
I found this video looking for Uni Pin reviews and I must say I really enjoyed your sense of humour; dry and on the money.
The Faber Castell pen also comes in a XS size, which I think is 0.1. And the crappy grip may be a mandella effect because in my timeline the grip was textured. And finally I was a bit dissapointed at first to see that the Copic pen did not have black ink like Rotring pens, it's more of a very dark grey. Over the years I've come to get used to it and honestly they're less of a hassle than Rotring even if Rotring is my favorite. In any case I would recommend the Sakura Micron, you just had an unfortunate model.
I missed the xs Faber-Castell size :)
Can't beat that black rotring ink! Sometimes I wonder if the ink is not as black because a fine-liner puts the ink down more frugally. When the ink runs out of my Multiliner sp I'm going to put rotring ink in it to see what happens.
_In any case I would recommend the Sakura Micron, you just had an unfortunate model._
*@Beans and rice* has comented that the 0.2 size is the only Micron pen that has the very odd tapered nib, for unknown reasons. I'm sure their pens with rounded tips are much smoother!
@@hikikomoriarty thats an incredibly unusual design choice. Although ill say myself theyre plenty black enough. I tend to use the 005 for microns for very small lines and stippling.
I'm glad you knocked down the Micron a peg. Maybe it trended on Tiktok or something. The lines aren't as good as the Uni. For a light-handed user as myself, I find the Micron gushing out too much ink more than I what I wanted.
As for the 0.35, I think it's a marketing ploy like with fountain pens where the EF (Extra Fine) nib is marketed as writing a ±0.38mm
Thank you Ashsibe for this wonderful comparing review. I love the way you rank them. I’ve tried all of them and couple of more. I had a bad experience with micron because of its authenticity. I used it couple of times but once I brought Sakura Micron from my local store & it bleeds so badly when I tried with water color wash. I was so surprised & got confused so then I brought it from other country and understand that there is clone version of it in the market. In my local store its very expensive too. Any ways I have been using fineliner for last 16-17 years, some of them are good & some of them are not so good. None of them are perfect at all. For price point of view its ok to use them often but I cannot rely on them. I would prefer Isograph or rapido graph for constant & precise result. I know for some people it’s expensive & need a lot of patience’s to maintain them but its worth buying them for long term use. Will look forward to checking out more of your videos. Best of luck & keep it up.
I've tried many fineliners in my time. But in the end the fine the Uni pins are my favourite. I gave up on Mincrons a good while ago as I draw mainly on coldpressed watercolour paper and found them very Unreliable at best.
If it's possible to know, I bought a unipin brush recently and I wasn't able to erase the pencil drawing I have underneath without the ink fading. Is this a problem with the paper or my eraser or the ink itself?
@@liaanarusty That is the nature of pigment ink. The particles sit on top of the paper rather than being absorbed. So when you erase, the ink is also removed and fades.
That paper drag was the best reveal ever!! :)
I got a question for you. These pens are best stored nib side down right, so why does is the nib size info on the cap instead of being on the end? Because of the nib size being on the cap people often tend to store them upside down and gravity will favor the ink to pool at the wrong end of the thing.
Also of note are: Staedtler Pigment Liners, Pilot DR Drawing Pens, Edding 1800 Profipen, and Rotring Tikky fineliner pens.
I got a lot of the Sakura microns expecting marvels and I found it too difficult to hold for my big fingers. Also a bit tricky to get consistent lines. I found that the Windsor and Newton fine liners are much comfortable and I loved the black ink. They kind of take a little longer to dry but they are really good. And I also love the faber Castell eco line which is a bit different from the Pitt. I guess the only way to know is testing.
Glad you found a pen that suits you. It's very subjective and reviewers don't have our own hands :)
You're the second person here to say that Faber-Castell's Ecco Pigment pens are superior to their Pitt Artist pens! I'll definitely keep that in mind (although meanwhile, I really don't like the FC pen barrel - I tend to grip near the end for fineliners).
I would suggest you to try2 more: Rotring tikky graphics, super black ink and slightly flexible, ideal for line variations; and the microns black & Gold edition, which are way darker and feel more "premium" than the regular microns. Great video mate!
You make very valid points. I agree with your reflections and am so glad you made this video. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Thanks for the thorough review!
I got a set of microns in different sizes and the caps 2 of the 8 pens slightly pull the back plug out. We’ll see if that causes a problem.
Is it permanent marker and waterproof? I want to use it on mobile pouch leather case ? Does it sustain alcohol? If suddenly exposed to hand sanitizer?? Please tell me 🙏
I’ve tried all of them and have stuck with the pigma microns. The lines never fade and the ink is such a deep black. Maybe the deepest black out of all of these. They always feel so satisfying
After finishing I feel a bit disappointed in my choice... that tip is just awful
Hopefully it was just a dud.
I am someone who will form a judgment on a whole company based off a single product.
Not buying another he he
Hey, thanks for the reviews. I hadn't known about the others besides Sakura Pigma Micron and Copic SP.👍
I loved this! While I do not usually turn to them, I did wonder why you did not include the Copic Multiliner pens that are NOT the SP model, they are disposable, too. all the good points, none of the expense? Also, Tombow and Winsor & Newton make some very nice fine line pigment pens which should have been included, too! Although... I must say I do love my Uni Pens :). I await the SEQUEL now!
Yeah i do wish that I bought a normal Copic Multiliner. When I did a brush pen comparison I did include a SP model and a normal model and the difference was quite large ( they did have different tip sizes, how unscientific ).
Yes sometime in the future I will buy more fineliners and also give the pigma microns a chance to redeem themselves.
I use fineliner pens daily at work, I use uni-pin a lot, but have used most of these brands. I often need a line even finer then these pens can do, then I turn to Copic .005 and .003, they are excellent but need a soft hand to use, and hard to find sometimes.
I can always find those at Michaels. Michaels always has a coupon for at least 20% off the total purchase too online so they just scan your phone at the checkout.
if we talk about illegal refilling, then all the pens mentioned above can be refilled... (I've been doing it since the beginning hehehehehe ) you can't actually find particular ink for these so i used india ink as it is waterproof, pigment based jsut like the prefilled ink inside. do whatever you can but these companies will never find me. and i will keep refilling them until the tip wears out or until you can replace the tip too (if its cheaper than the pen ofc)
You asked @18.30…Why do 0.35 mm pens exist?
The answer is because: for all standard A0, A1, A2, A3, A4, A5 paper sizes the … WIDTH to HIGHT ratio…. is…. 1 to sq.root.2 . (i.e 1 to 1.414) …. AND ….. Tehnical drawing pens follow the same size-ratio principle. The standard sizes differ by a factor sqrt(2): 2.00 mm, 1.40 mm, 1.00 mm, 0.70 mm, 0.50 mm, 0.35 mm, 0.25 mm, 0.18 mm, 0.13 mm. So after drawing with a 0.35 mm pen on A3 paper and reducing it to A4, you can continue with the 0.25 mm pen. (ISO 9175-1). I hope that helps. Tony
What is best for PVC material like autograph on my ID's
I came to your video as my SAKURA pigment pen bleeds so badly when I paint watercolour paint. Does yours do the same? or only mine?
I have shown it in my camping journal video but the result was very dissapointing...
Finally! Someone who hates microns as much as me lol.
I absolutely loved your method and criteria for ranking them. Thank you. I'll probably get uni pin now.. Have been using Faber Castell eco pigment line. They just feel better and smoother than their pitt artist series.
Another person here also says that Faber-Castell's Ecco Pigment pens are superior to the Pitt Artist pens! I'll definitely keep that in mind (although meanwhile, I really don't like the FC pen barrel - I tend to grip near the end for fineliners).
@@hikikomoriarty yeah me too.. Eco pigment ones also have thinner grip than the pitt artist pens which i find easier to Hold but you can try them yourselves to see if you like them... Also i can still say that i still prefer eco pigment ones over unipin because their ink is so dark lol.. I think it's a habit thing and takes getting used to😛😛
Anyway I hope you find the one that suits you 😁
But wasn’t the Pentel tip under the microscope kind of frizzy?
I must say, though, despite the price, the Copic probably wins as far as beauty and function. It just seems to write smoother, and also, even though you do have to buy an entire cartridge it is cheaper than replacing the entire pen. You could look at it that way. I think there is a reason that artists really love the Copic alcohol markers. They are top notch quality.
The DR pigment ink pilot drawing pen is very good for a 01. They normally are scratchy and get damaged quite easily.
Hi to all from Madrid, Spain!
I know I'm a bit late to the party but I just saw this video today.
Just wanted to add that you can refill with any India Ink of your choice the Fineliners. Can't be sure if all of them (I haven't seen some yet, like the Pitt ones), but I know for a fact that the UniPin, Staetdler (I was surprised that it was not included in the analysis), the Pentel and the Micron can be refilled.
You just need to take out the metal point (using an X-Acto blade to extract the metal tip) and with an Eyedropper or a blunt serynge refill them inside the body with your preferred ink.
Don't overflow them, though... usually 8-10 drops of ink will last a pretty long while, and you can continue refilling them (they don't leak any ink with this procedure either).
Most important is to take care of the nibs, using a light pressure when drawing/writing to extend the life of the tip.
And if ink flow is a problem (dry ink inside the nib) the actual nib (tip) can be extracted too and just by submerging it in alcohol for a few minutes (5-10 mins - the longer the cleaner it will be - but don't over do either) should dissolve any dried ink and ink flow should return.
Once the felt tip is gone... that's when you'll need to buy a new one.
Hope this helps!
Cheers from Sunny Spain!
😁👍😎
Hello there
I'm from India too, can u recommend me any??
Was always disappointed in the Sakura pens because they lost so much pigment when you inked a pencil drawing and then went over it with an eraser.
So the winner is the one you like and the loser is the one you hate.
What a review!!
What timestamp are you on💀 He literally test out the quality of the pens-
no steadtler triplus fineliner?
Keep up the videos! I found you through your Fineliner vs Technical Pen video and you remind me of Peter Draws when I first found him!
Saying that I remind you of Peter Draws is one of the best compliments I've received.
I'm going to the doctor now for a emergency ego deflation.
Very well done…I like your style.
in india artline unipin and sakura micron cost almost the same which one would you suggest me out of the three?
Based on the video it would be Artline, Unipin, Sakura in this order. In case unipin and artline are the same price. Otherwise go for Unipin.
Thankfully, someone agrees with me pigma micron fineliners are really not great fineliners. I never thought the nib is rounded. It feels a whole lot more angular and I hate that it’s so short, you tend to hit the metal bit. I’m surprise it’s priced higher than the Faber Castell. I like the fact that FC uses India ink. The pigment just seem to be more appealing. Have you tried the Molotow fineliner?
Thanks for a great review that also made me laugh!
great comparison. im going with uni pin
the pigma micron .2 size is tapered rather than rounded, all the other pigma micron sizes have rounded nibs,
That explains a great deal. Thank you.
Who to remove black pointer
The best review on nankin pens. Congratulations
I don't see how nib length could offer any indication of the amount of ink in the pen
Sometimes you can wear the out the nib before the ink runs out. But to be honest my comparisons are all a bit of mumbo jumbo wish-wash. I'm someone showing the tiny differences that to most people really make no meaningful difference. And I take almost 20min to do that.
That's only because he was making stuff up to attempt to account for his irrational bias.
ur so right about people telling you to subscribe and you sum it up by saying
you get annoyed so I subscribe to you because you're smart
Thanks for Posting.
I have been using a Rotring isograph, which is a great pen, very satisfying, only until it stops working.
I've had the pen for around 2½ years and I'm already on the 4th or nib, and I'm becoming fed up with it, the last two nibs I tried everything for them to start working but because they are so delicate I couldn't get them to work. The Nib is ⅓ of the price of a new pen, so the money I spent replacing nibs, I could have bought a new one. So for a Pen which is non-disposable, it's not really a pen I would recommend.
So I have gone back to disposable and my go to finelines are the Uni Pin, which are almost as good as the Pigma Micron but a little bit cheaper and imo last longer.
3 years after this video the Copic SPs are basically soft discontinued - Copic stopped selling replacement nibs for all the sizes except the 03 so once your nib runs out your fancy metal pen is no better than a disposable Sakura. Really disappointing.
Good review. I usually boil my drawings once finish 😆
The only good thing I can say about the Microns is that they're the main reason I upgraded to the rotring Isographs
Now THAT'S how to do a review !
the copic pen backsnap- is a feature to remove the cartridge.
where I live The Artline pens are surprisingly almost the cheapest among this list so they are the right choice to buy
I keep bouncing between fountain pens, Isographs, and fine liners, to the point where I would prefer to just use all 3 at once 😁 and every now and then I get tired and just switch to a Pilot G-Tec C4
I found this video specifically because I was searching for it. I liked the title and the look of the content and I 100% agree. I'll subscribe If the videos are good and I'll definitely get annoyed if you keep saying subscribe and comment.
I think I met my match! Lighten up for god’s sake! 😁 thanks for the review, cleared a lot up for me. Artline 220 is all I need 👍
Love your reviews. Very thorough and scientific.
Yes, smooth pens actually provide more grip, since sweat adheres to the smooth plastic very well.
I noticed that Faber-Castell instruments tend to be not ergonomic at all. I got a Faber-Castell Ambition fountain pen as a gift. It's worth 140 USD, and I hate it.
Microns are NOT quality. They were designed to be a cheap alternative to technical pens. Sakura never changed the design, since Microns are so phenomenally popular.
Copic has the grubbiest little hands. I do believe the cartridge can be refilled with a syringe, though.
Well, at my local shop UniPin fineliners are about 3 times more expensive than the Artline fineliners. Even Sakura Microns 2 times more expensive than Artline. I can't get any cheaper than Artline Drawing System fineliners for 0.03 size.
Copic replacement nibs altough expensive, sounds like a great deal for me. So you can have copic fineliner quality on any of your cheaper pens.
Heheh.
this review was hilarious thank you
I treat my faber castell xs pen like it's my child. unipens were my first pen, copic is a really really nice pen but somehow I always gravitate towards my faber xs
Y'know I think mentioning the fact that you don't ask for subscribers is technically a call to action, but I don't even mind because the rest of the video was quite entertaining
looks like I'm ditching Sakura for Faber.
Staedtler is where it's at, Faber-Castell Pitt dropped the quality so much that I stopped buying them but they were the best at one point.
*Great Video!*
The Uni Pen is by far the best fineliner I’ve used, it’s equally as good to draw with as the expensive ones and lasts forever.
The Pigma Micron fineliner is a complete joke and lasts for literally 2 days of drawing. I don’t understand its popularity, maybe people haven’t tried other ones and therefore don’t know better and just keeps on buying new ones every 2 days.
Coptic multi liner SP IS NOT reusable!
The nib wears off extremely fast and the ink lasts equally as short as the Pigma Micron.
And you cannot put your own ink in the cartridge, trust me I’ve tried it thinking i would save money. The ink you put in simply doesn’t come out of the nib.
Hello from Dubai.
The Uni and the Staedtler pens never dissipointed me!! :^)
Also they were the ones available for me to but very early.
Later in life I tried the Copic SP, and it is very good too.
I also tried one Sakura Micron pen, 0.3, and it was ok..
But I think I'll stick to the Uni and Staedtler. :o)
I think i'll try the others. :^)
Dip pens are also very nice. But a hustle..
what a madlad !
For Copic fineliner I just bought the disposable one which is cheaper
I use artline one
The artline drawing system is a lot cheaper than micron or uni pin in my country, more than half price of the micron or unipin.
Well I like artline pen...I have been using it for so long...and it is water resistant ink..
The best pen here is the micron
Hello i think you got the fake version of the Sakura Micron pen
I love this video.
This was a great video until we arrived at the Sakura hit piece at 8:30.
Mate, that pen is defective. I’ve had hundreds of Sakura pens, not a single one ever did what yours is doing.
Hahahahaha. “Inkjet printer of the pen world” 🤣🤣🤣how true. It should only be called refillable if you could drip droplets of ink into it like the Copic brushnib alcohol color pens that Manga artists use. I have the entire set by the way. If you have to replace the whole cartridge, to me, it should not be called refillable. It should be called the inkjet printer of the pen world instead
The tip on my micron pens look exactly the same as the Uni pin ones. Yours must be fake pens 👍👍
I bought the micron ( and the rest of these pens) from a store that only sells genuine products. My current theory is that I bought a lemon.
*@Beans and rice* has comented that the 0.2 size is the only Micron pen that has the quarrelsome tapered nib, for unknown reasons.
Probably the Sakura in the video is a fake one.
iyou are confused about the pitt artist tip, but could'nt you know that it's not a fineliner, im annoyed
Thank you for not asking me to subscribe. So, in this case I did subscribe and I’m “smashing the bell icon.”
Microns sucks! Never had one that didn't dry out before its time. Plus the line is really NOT consistent, choppy at best because they keep drying out way too soon!
because you didn't ask... :o)
If you had tried to actually draw with the Micron, you would've been even more disgusted. That odd nib shape continually scrapes fibers up off of the paper that then get stuck in the nib. Even using drawing paper made specifically for pens! The fibers sticking out of the nib often effect your line, fraying it out, and always eventually clog the nib entirely. Long before the pen runs out of ink.
I used to write in a diary for a whole year with a Uni-Pin. I tried using this Micron. Only lasted for a few months as it became a awful experience. I think they named themselves after a small unit of measurement to represent the amount of quality and research they put in their pens.