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Fight Ethanol Corrosion - Jay Leno's Garage
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My favorite late night host. Back when late night was actually funny and enjoyable. Love your channel too
Liberal BSSS now all over.
I bought a quart can of the VP 94 octane gas at Home Depot and ran my 150cc Vespa dry ... then put the can of VP in it ... talk about a cat on catnip! It usually tops out at 60 mph but I was hitting 70! That was a fun 15 miles till it ran dry in front of a Shell station.
I use 90 non-ethanol with octanium in my 72 Cuda with a 416 stroker and the car runs like a damn beast. Ive run 109 octane in it, and honestly the car runs better on 90 non-ethanol and octanium than anything else. Great segment Jay!
Jay love the living history your preserving! The cars the steam engines. What a truly wonderful gift you give to all. My heaven bless you with a long healthy life!
Very nice thing to say...and same to you!
I ran 100 octane VP unleaded in my supercharged Camaro many years ago...great stuff.
San Antonio, Texas! where its at! No Smog Checks, Guns, and damn good gas!
I can just imagine the nightmare of long term storage with so many vehicles. Batteries going bad, fuel systems rotting, etc.
TAOFLEDERMAUS i had to replace not only the carb, but the gas tank too in my classic toyota. Ethanol is horrible
TAOFLEDERMAUS: Ever since Ethanol was introduced into pump gas, my 94' Chevy with a 350ci runs like absolute "DOG CRAP"!!!. By the way "TAOFLEDERMAUS", I love your videos with the Shotgun experiments, great stuff!!!.
+eric dee is it carburetted? if so ethanol has a lower calorific content you may need to retune your carbs
ya ethanol is terrible for cars
I bet Jay's garage has some sort of, storage procedure they do, and then a prep procedure when he wants to drive one.
My 1976 BMW R60/6 calls for 98 octane in the owner's manual.Best I can get in Canada is 94 octane but, with no methanol.Less than that and I have to ease off the throttle or gear down to prevent pinging when going up a steep grade. No real problem for me. Bike has 82,000 miles on her. Cheers from Vancouver Island
I have been using Marvel Mystery Oil at every fill up in my 2002 Lincoln Town Car, 2002 Chevy delivery truck, and 2006 lawn mower since 2016. I use 4 ounces of MMO for every 10 gallons of gas. Since I started using MMO, the highway miles per gallon has increased by at least an extra 1.5 to 2 more mpg in my car. With Walmart selling the quart (32 oz) size of MMO for $3.88, I am actually saving money using it, because I am using less gas.
Other benefits of using MMO include a much smoother idle, more power, and it lubricates the fuel pump and cleans the entire fuel system.
Another big issue with ethanol is in small engines like lawn mowers, string trimmers and snow blowers. Ethanol is horrible stuff for any motor that wasn't designed for it, and a lot of small engines are not. It's pretty much impossible to get non ethanol gas around the Detroit area except for a small number of gas stations.
It quickly plugs the extremely small orifices in the small jets in small engines. Liquids can't get in there to unclog it. You end up running a small wire through it, which usually requires some disassembly.
@@bendeleted9155 I was given a weed eater that looks new. Rebuilt carburetor and still wouldn't run. Where the fuel goes in the carb was clogged, no matter what I did, wire, air compressor, carb cleaner, nothing worked. Switched that part and it run fine.
The Honda CBX. I can recall when my brother bought one a 79' right off the show room floor, what an awesome bike, this was before Honda de-tuned them, he put a Kerker header system on it, hearing that bike accelerate down the road, you would think it was a 6 cyl Porsche Corerra.
Yep....: )~
Here in Michigan I learned the hard way what damage ethanol can do. Had to have a generator and a snowblower completely rebuilt because of ethanol in the gas; and ours is only 10%. I started using rec fuel (no ethynol) in all my small engines and motorcycles and generators, and have had not one problem since.
We have a 64 Thunderbird, a daily driver, and a 57 Chevy that sits in the garage here in Palm Springs. I'm gonna have to look into these products. Thanks!
Thank you for sharing. I do not have many vehicles but I do have engines that are run seasonally in both vehicles and equipment. I try to use premium fuel and a stabiliser to help ensure the fuel does not turn to kerosene or go bad .Up in Canada , The best product to use for me so far has been Seafoam , I look forward to finding and trying these products
Please, let's stop calling it ethanol. Let's call it what it is...CORN WHISKEY.
+Hypervoid89 ethanol will kill you it's not like the alcohol that you can drink so if they drink it than good they deserve what's coming to them
+Austin K plus there is gasoline in it
+Austin K you are really missing the point.. it is an alcohol product.. no one wants to drink it and we are not suggesting going to the gas station for a drink of it... but it is alcohol
Lol the concept is correct.. grain alcohol.. moonshine.. but yes please don't drink from the pump
You're quite wrong. Ethanol is exactly the type of alcohol you drink. Once per ounce it's no more toxic than what is in whiskey, beer, wine, etc. The problem is the actual gasoline and other additives.
Welcome to a battle we have been fighting in boats.......
In Canada our low and mid-octane gasoline has 10% ethanol and some brands are 15% BUT major brand premium gasoline has NO ethanol so for winter or other extended storage of my bikes or car I always drain the tank and then fill it with premium. I leaned the hard way when my vintage Honda V45 needed a complete carb rebuild ($1200) after the rubber gaskets as well as every thing else was rotted by the ethanol. I also needed the tank coated.
2015 wrx original motor fuel pump & a few other original parts at 245,000 miles . It's been running a little off this last year and I added some vp fuel system cleaner thru the first tank and then unleaded octtanium octane boost Madditive and now my car is back!!🌞 Vp you helped make me happy this last week. Thanks..🤙 Hope your doing well Jay!🙌
The problem with ethanol fuel is moisture contamination , the alcohol will absorb moisture and separate from the petroleum base , it;s called phase separation . the ethanol and water mix will settle to the bottom of the gas tank , and that is where your fuel is drawn from
No, it's not. A gas tank is necessarily a sealed system thanks to the EPA, but if moisture gets in, alcohol is something you very much want in your fuel to absorb it. Otherwise, water alone is heavier than gasoline and would sink to the bottom of the tank, while being absorbed by alcohol, much more of it is suspended in the gasoline and burnt away in the cylinder.
This is specifically why they make products to combat water in the fuel system which are almost 100% alcohol. F A C T ! In the old days, before there was any ethanol in fuel, it was common to buy such products and people referred to them generically as "Drygas".
The tank for 40 plus years is vented through the charcoal canister, all tanks have to be vented. The fumes then are sucked into the intake system. A canister never causes any power loss or rough running ever, except when the vaccuum hoses fail and become and air leak which hgappnes on all older cars, just another maintenance cost!
Older cars were vented directly to the atmosphere, as are petrol station tanks even now.
Stinky Cheese, in a vented fuel system, here in the humid south of North Carolina I have one truck that did not get used much and it absorbed a full tank of water in a 6 mouth period. I parked it with less than 5 gallons it has a 24 gallon tank. I went to run it to burn out the old fuel and add fresh to discover the tank was full to the filler cap with water. I have friends that have discovered large quantities of water in their parked vehicles as well. If you live in the dessert it would not be as big of a problem, here in North Carolina water and ethanol in the gas it a problem not a solution.
Tony Iocca, you shouldn't need a vehicle with a vented fuel system. Letting it sit venting gas into the environment when you hardly even use it is senseless pollution.
However, no. 5 gallons of ethanol will not absorb 19 gallons of water. I suspect someone dumped the water in due to a grudge against you for some reason.
It is technically impossible for what you describe to have happened. Long before then, the water vapor in the tank exceeds that of the ambient environment and water vapor LEAVES the tank rather than entering it.
Your comment about your friends and "large quantities" is too vague to take as anything other than random noise, as what I wrote above still applies to them, that once the water vapor in the tank exceeds the ambient concentration it will migrate out of the tank not into it, but of course the fuel could still absorb an excessive amount for proper engine function.
Therefore this does not change the fact that if you insist on owning a vented system, of course it is better to not have ethanol in a stored vehicle, but it is better still to not have a vented system sitting there causing pollution. I'd also wonder if yours is in need of repair as there should be minimal amount of air exchange if it's working normally.
Heck it could be something as simple as the seal on your gas cap being seized open instead of vacuum activated as (most) should be. However this still does not make it possible for water to magically fill a 24 gallon tank. More likely would be the tank has rusted through on top and rain ran down in.
Yes it happened, no the tank had no rust inside or out as I inspected the tank thoroughly when I replaced the electric fuel pump that is located inside the tank. In fact I have replaced the fuel pump 3 times since ethanol as been in the gas. I am in need of replacing it again as I do not hear it running either. Ethanol is a poor supplement that is devastating not just older vehicles. Transportation cost will continue to rise because of it, thus causing more inflation. Just like the salting of roads corrodes the outside of the vehicles, now we have extensive internal corrosion caused by ethanol.
Ethanol is not just a California problem, it is nation wide and even Canada. I have been advocating that only "Regular" gas contain this ethanol substance. Hi-test should be kept as "Hi-test" as ethanol degrades all grades of gasoline, blending ethanol in "Hi-test" is a oxymoron.
Using ethanol as a energy supplement is not solving any problems it is the problem. The better way to use ethanol as a viable energy resource is the E85 or E80 blend, as gasoline added to ethanol does improve the performance of ethanol. E85/E80 used in vehicles designed to use it, not forcing everyone to use a product that does not work well and is even harmful to their vehicles.
Marvel Mystery Oil has always been my go to for gas and oil additives. It is simply amazing, the effect is virtually instantaneous, and it is the only additive I've ever used that does all it claims.
How much marv. per gallon of gas?
@@sjwtard3709 4 oz per 10 gallons
at 9 dollars a gallon ill stick with mixing sta-bil 360 in with every 5 gallons I buy
it does the job
one 20.00 bottle treats 60 gallons
Thanks Jay. Your shop's experience is going to stretch my dollar and help to keep my 1970 Lotus Europa on the road instead of saving up to fix a blunder.
I used a premixed fuel and it worked great
Good topic . my cousin and I go round & round about what to use in our high compression engines . but we don't have the same problems as Jay. with that other crape in the gas from the pump. back in the day I used to boil gas and condense it back to liquid and go racing. but don't slip up. because one gallon of gas in a vapor is like one stick of dynamite.
Anthony Zarlenga , I would love 2 know more about condensing gasoline!!! how to safely do it!!!!???????
It's not safe to do this. and don't heat up a clutch disk and dunk it in a pizza pan of gas and some how cool the smoky fume back in to a gas can with a recovery system at the age of 16. and get the idea from a dirt track engine man. This is NOT a safe thing to do. So don't do this.
Anthony Zarlenga b(
That VP shirt looks Sharp!
A lot of ppl in Australia are starting to set up their cars for e85 which is 85% ethanol with an octane rating of 107 from the pump or higher in drums of racing fuel.
Fuel system just needs to be set up right and there are big power gains. Our normal premium is 98 octane.
Point of clarification: Octane points are 0.1, not 1.0, so if the product says it will increase octane by five points and you start out with 91, you get 91.5 octane - not 96. Octane booster really isn't worth it.
Most of the commonly used ones advertise 30-50 points. I'm talking about Lucas and Torco, but I'd stick with E85 if not satisfied with gas. You can flush it with regular gas after few tanks and you'll be fine.
FINALLY! a correct answer about how octane points are added or calibrated! Thank you!
Well thankfully most people refer to the Octane rating of the fuel,and not points. Whether that be RON, MON or AKI (R+M/2). The instructions on these products are quite clear. However, I'm amazed that at the level of octane increase they're suggesting.
It would suggest that the octane rating of these additives are anywhere from 363 to 378 to 448!! I find it very hard to believe!
"This looks like an info-mercial, but its really not", he says, peeping out from behind over 30 gallons of forty freaking products!
Thanks, we get non-ethanol fuel here but it's not as good as it was 15 years ago when you could let fuel set for a year in a jug and still it was usable! Here's to $2 gas prices for the new year!
Ethenol is the same stuff that the Moonshiners made and Sheriff Andy Taylor and his Deputy Sheriff Barney Fife went out looking for with Axes.
In the mean time the Ethanol syndrome has gone way past CA. In Northern Europe its at 15% if I am not mistaken since 2016. Had to rebuild the fuels systems on all my bikes, remove all of jelly, melted or crumbling parts and surface corrosion. The Ethanol seems to absorb water. Fortunately, fuels like Premium or Super are still safe to use.
Jay, thanks so much for this video. I had previously asked about stabilizers and this answers my question. Thanks again!
Thanks Jay!!!
Thanks again Jay!
I need stop using 10% ethanol gas because missing up my 1967 Ford & motor scooter, ATV too! Thanks Jay Leno`s showing me about VP Racing Fuel sometime next year be using this on all car & motorcycle plus!
Thank you for the video
Gosh, thanks Jay! This company's been around for 40 years and I had no idea it existed.
I have used VP C12 racing fuel in my Drag Car in the past, Always worked good and the car was very consistent as compared with either Cam2 or Turbo Blue. I see that a lot of people are taking Jay to task for doing somewhat of an infomercial type of thing. The way that I see it, he is using his fame to help promote products that are automotive related. That is a good thing and I am glad that someone of his stature is a strong car guy that supports the industry and also employs some very talented people to restore those cars. Although, I must take him to task for caving in to the Bloomberg lead anti-gun fanatics. I do understand though since those fools would do whatever it takes to ruin a persons life, which would be an absolute shame to have happen to what seems to be a very good guy. HOWEVER, one must wonder where it stops with these fanatics? Not in any way a criticism, just a voicing of my own personal opinion.
I've been using VP's SEF 40;1 for three year and my 2cycle engines haven't missed a beat. It's eliminated the down time they start easier.
Jay is correct this is very important! I use lucas ethanol treatment a lot. anyone with small engines lawn mowers, snowmobiles, generators etc...are esp at risk! ask any landscapers how many of these engines fuel systems they had to rebuild before they learned about this product....
....Or you could just run non-ethanol gas and you don't need any additives other than Sta-bil when storing for long periods and a little Marvel mystery oil every few thousand to clean out any carbon and gunk.
I personally use Marvel's Mystery Oil (aka MMO) It's been around since the 20's, is old school, low-tech, but also cheap and effective. Walmart sells it for $20 per gallon and that will treat a lot of fuel. Works for me!! 8^)
What's it's specific job against ethanol?
Anyone that downvotes this video is either misinformed or drinking the Kool Aid. Our cars weren't designed to run on ethanol and the ethanol is screwing our cars up...period.
CeeStyleDj most modern vehicles are flex fuel they are meant to run on e85 ethanol or gas, look at engine rear downs from motors that have been ran on Ethanol they are cleaner than the ones ran on gasoline.
Samuel Clark We are talking about rubber seals and fuel components, NOT the engine itself.
Of course the engine doesn't care, it's a hunk of metal.
those "rubber seals and componets are made of PTFE or in laymans terms teflon which is ethanol stable also most new model fuel tanks are also made of PTFE and the fuel pumps are made from ethanol stable components
Honestly, you're right, but that's the problem, these parts COULD have been designed to function fine with ethanol. We need a major cultural and industrial shift toward ethanol and electric power, simply because it allows us to conserve valuable non-renewable petroleum and, if done properly, would also reduce carbon emissions, and just all around make life better. Besides that, electric cars have the potential to actually be much faster than internal combustion models.
I spent 40yrs in the power sports business, VP fuel is the best..period.
I have used several fuel additives. I will talk about the ones I like. First of all there's startron. It comes in a small blue bottle. 6 bucks at Walmart, this combats the ethanol. I also use Klotz octane booster. The klotz octane booster is used sparingly. However I run it consistently in the dirt bike. I have mixed racing gas in with my bikes, hot rod Civic Etc. It seems to work well at 12 to 1. However in the streetcar the tune is not exactly right for it. This means I don't run it super hard. However at light to moderate throttle it works very well.
If Jay Leno ran for mayor of LA he would win!
LA needs Jay Leno right now!
Such a down to earth and real man.
Meanwhile, maybe Leno’s pal can come up with a spray bottle or wipe that will clean various things (like bird droppings😷🤧😬) that get on cars between car washes - that won’t burn up the paint job if it’s left on the car after wiping stuff off; fender, roof, a car handle, glass (where windshield wipers won’t reach).
Many gas stations these days sell REC 90, which has no ethanol. What happens is that the ethanol in gasoline attracts water, which in turn turns into drops in your fuel system and creates corrosion. Remove the ethanol and this doesn't happen. What they are talking about in the video is a substance that keeps the ethanol from separating and then attracting large amounts of water.
Wow, that is an eye opener. Thanks again for the help. This is research and information I wasn't aware of. Thanks for the education. If I didn't sleep so much in high school I might have known about this. But then again... that was about the time VP Fuel was barely in business!
For longevity I'll go with Sunoco optima. The VP stuff seems more geared towards general performance and not necessarily longevity/storage.
Nonsense, they have thought of everything. It's easier to sell you on quantifiable performance rather than longevity promises only fulfilled with long term use.
Thanks Jay
I live in Wisconsin, and around here BP and Kwik-Trip stations have a 91 octane fuel that is ethanol free. My 1977 Buick runs really well on this stuff. Also, Buick Club of America technical,tips advised to add a little Marvel Mystery Oil to your fuel to prevent carburators from gumming up during long periods of storage. This has worked for me, and I also add a fuel stabilizer in the winter as well. I wish I had Jay's problem of needing more octane, but the mild 350 Buick has only about 8.5 to1 compression. I'm also on a low budget, or else the beast would be running a 455! Maybe Big Dog Garage could do this, but Jay, be warned, I have NO MONEY!
Great stuff, the E fuels are killing us!
What's what's killing you is the aromatics, hydrocarbons and benzynes (spelling) in the gas not the ethanol
On the flip side, E85 makes for a great, inexpensive high-octane gas for cars that can handle it, and are tuned for it.
Put some of that sheet in my flexfuel and went from 23 mpg to 16 mpg. Didn't improve performance either and my truck was designed to burn the crap. Never again.
Luckily we can get real gas (100%) here in West Virginia and Virginia. Use it in all my outdoor equipment and run a tankful through my vehicles several times a year.
I too had a CBX Honda with clogged idle jets. What a pain to clean. You have to take all the engine mount bolts except for the lower rear mount and tilt the engine forward to get clearance for removing the carbs.
Having worked on motorcycles for many years professionally, I know the truth of rusting fuel tanks and clogged fuel systems.
POR-15 gas tank sealer is amazing stuff, best solution to the problem.
Here in Oklahoma, there used to be Fina 93 octane. We would run 230-235@.050 cams with 160 thermostats at up to 13.4:1 static. They ran in 105+ weather without a knock. Now we can only get 91 octane and the same setup will now work past 11.7:1. I am curious where there is still 93 octane. We do have stations that sell pure gasoline and the one lungers, bikes, and older (pre 1980) cars love it. One guy swears by Marvel Mystery Oil in his gas and oil (we have no emission checks in my area. I still swear by propane..... stock cam, 180 thermostat, 11:1 static in a work truck that pulls more loads than they were designed for. That reminds me, I would like to see a propane segment (not CNG as much) that does not involve a Morgan. Keep the vids coming and thank you!!!!
Surprised you only have 90 octane in California. In the UK we have 95 or 97, and add octane booster to 100. E10 fuel just come in this month. Useful video for us classic car owners.
Been running my Audi on e85 for years. Works like a charm. And tons of our race cars here in Sweden runs e85. They makes a a lot of powers and work great.
Ofc your pump and lines need to be classed for e85.. Running e85 usually means lower MPG. But thats okay for me. Since its so cheap the cost/milage is about the same as if I would run normal gas.
And using e85 makes your car produce less Co2 and CO by quite alot.
No, using E85 makes your car produce _more_ environmental harm, because ethanol is barely energy-positive and it's topsoil-based. It's selling out the future of food for a government-mandated buck on fuel today.
But it burns 2 quarts of oil every 2000 miles
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Also Jay Leno: shoots an infomercial.
Thanks Jay. This is still going on. I believe newer cars are not immune from this. The ethanol is getting into areas not ethanol proofed. How? Emissions systems. Also Crankcase by way of blow by. Not good. Plus water in fuel. Can freeze up in winter. Plus cause rust and corrosion. They area still trying to tell us it's actually better than gasoline and burns cleaner.
The only thing with the octanium is after 200 miles the spark plugs have a heavy brown powder on them. So you will have to clean your plugs often.
When i competed in gokarting i used VP racefuel sometimes. Funny thing is that what i remember most about that fuel was it's smell, it smelled so good, lol. The fuel was good aswell, but my countrys 98 octance pump gas i also very good and cheaper.
I appreciate you trying to inform us on ethanol products . I have a 1912 evinrude outboard and I don't want to ruin it with alcohol. I will need a higher oil ratio than 40/1 though will check VP web sight . Thanks Jay !!
Jeff Ward please search "removing ethanol from gasoline " here on UA-cam, there's alot of idiots but some people know what they're doing, it'll save you a bundle making your own ethanol free gas.
Very informative
Pro-ma PT5 (GT5 in U.S.A). 10% better fuel economy and protects against corrosion. Also cleans engine slowly and increases octane a couple of points.
I just us 100% gasoline. they sell it at gas stations by boat marina. pure gas not only make more power, it also burns cooler and don't damage cylinders with ethanol solvent
Of all the possible things ethanol can damage, cylinders aren't one of them. Cooler burning doesn't matter either, any vehicle made in the last 3 decades has an EGR system to bring combustion temperatures down to reduce emissions. The engine would just run the EGR at a lower ratio with cooler burning fuel until it reached the same temperature either way, BUT the engine could make more power like that.
Jay you make more horsepower on Ethanol it's higher octane than gas.
I just had that issue with my 95 Bronco, it had been raining like crazy for a week so I'm sure the ehtanol soaked up some water and I hadn't started it in at least two months and went out and started it up and got the surprise of my life as suddenly it was running on 3 or 4 cylinders and smoking worse than anything I've ever seen and it stunk like acetone. Luckily after a while (and cleaning the distributor cap) it started running on all cylinders again and eventually cleared out and is running fine now. Scared the hell out of me because I sure as hell can't afford to replace it... oh and it happens to have to be smogged next month as well.
Similar thing happened too me after my father died in 08, and left me an 03 Ford Ranger Edge, and it sat in the drive way for a few months, but I ended up with the worse end of the stick, and ended up having to get a new fuel pump, and purge out the tank because it had gummed up so bad. I learned my lesson big time, even if your not driving something for a little while, at the very least crank it up, and let it run a little while each week. Because this so called "More Green" Ethanol ends up being hell on your wallet otherwise.
Commodorefan64 believe me the smell that thing put out was far from green. It seriously was just like acetone, it was smoking so bad you couldn't see the house less than 30 feet away.. I'm still surprised none of our neighbours called the cops.
J.A.Ratt85 No doubt there.
J.A.Ratt85 For sure, ethanol does attract water into engines.
1). acetone is not ethanol nor any sort of alcohol, but I guess they might have a similar, sweet smell. Then again, why not say it smelled like ethanol instead of acetone.
2). If cleaning the distributor cap fixed the problem don't you think that might have been the problem? It's probably time for a new cap, rotor, maybe wires, and plugs??
The only thing ethanol corrodes is older fuel lines. It was the debris from that breakdown that caused excess engine wear. Ethanol is just another option to boost gasoline octane.
Good to know about Non- Snake Oil products. I don't mind spending the money on something as long as it works, thanks
I use 94 octane fuel from VP here in San Antonio Texas I am a city employee our company buys it I don't exactly know how much it cost but what I do know prevents from varnish in the carburetors The Tool Room guys love it less work they got to do in California you can keep your gas
Jay,
I need that Honda Rune. That is all.
I now remove the ethanol myself for all my engines with carbonated fuel systems including mowers and other small two-stroke engines. Jay didn't speak of it, but I would love to hear his take on lead substitutes for all these old engines that were designed to run on leaded fuels.
Storing boats and motorcycles for winter fuel stabilizers or anti corrosives are a safe bet for a good start after storage.
Since my car has a 100 unleaded octane program I'll occasionally run it (Sunoco or VP). So after seeing this I'm definitely glad I do!!!! The rest of the Country Gets 93 Octane Super Unleaded
Not an infomercial Jay? You gotta be kidding me, the guy was pushing dirt-bike and four-wheeler cleaner. Oh well, you did bring out the need to get rid of ethenol. I have vintage motorcycles and every year they get a tune-up and we leave some gas in the tanks to start them up once in a while. When the ethenol first came out, I did what I usually do. Next year nothing would run. Every tank was rusted 100%, so bad that crap was blocking the petcocks. It was the ethenol... $$$
Ethanol is a problem, and with as many bikes as I have fuel stabilization is one of the solutions. I run select VP fuels in some of my race bikes because I tuned them for it, however I don't like that this video implies that VP or any other non ethanol fuel will last forever, it doesn't. Even non-ethanol fuels will allow the lighter elements to flash off leaving varnish. Some of VP's oxygenated fuels will accutally "grow" a green slimy coating if left in the carbs or tanks too long without stabilization.
thejunkman They were pretty explicit that even their special fuels only last a maximum of five years, and that typically it's more like 1-3.
What; get rid of ethanol? No way man. Senseless environmentalism must prevail.
Martin Espinoza That is in a sealed container. Once poured into the tank the fuel will degrade almost as fast. Don't get me wrong VP makes good fuels, but in an open or plastic container it won't stay fresh must longer than typical pump gas, the real benifit is that in that open/vented container it won't attract moisture as fast. Steel tanks will sweat no matter what fuels are in them. Remember fuel tanks are not sal
thejunkman *sealed, not saled
@ 7:04 Great fuel products and one plump sounding horn!
You can buy ethanol free gasoline at most marinas, I live near a distributor that sells it for about $1/gallon more than what you will pay for normal gasoline I've put it in my truck and I notice a significant difference in the fuel economy, all my small engines run it and I have had zero problems, these are good solutions if you can't get it but check around to distributors and marinas in most parts of the country (unless you're in California) it's not outlawed and still readily available.
Ethanol is bad for vehicles that are just sitting or for normal use but the use of E85 is vehicles that see street and track time is growing because of the benefits it has as a race fuel alternative. For properly tuned vehicles its the equivalent of 105+ octane with bonus engine cooling properties and is cheaper and more easily accessible than race fuel depending on where you live. I have been running E85 in my Trans Am and SRT4 for the last couple of years and haven't had a single problem with my fuel systems.
My favorite one is the power boost vp
Ethanol is nasty.
Here in Australia most people with performance cars run 98 octane like Shell F1,BP 98 or Caltex Vortex.
It's available at pretty much every pump.
Plain unleaded is 91 and then we have 95 for a bit more grunt then 98 for us fast guys :)
Great information, thanks. Please consider doing a segment on energy density of pump gasoline. I have been told and probably read somewhere that lower octane gas has greater energy density than the higher because the higher octane fuels contain anti knock compounds.
2 stroke oil can raise performance of gas in a four stroke engine. Can also add mileage. Performance/H.O./supercharged
yes jay.. infomercial! quacks/ walks, looks..
In Scandinavia we have E85 15% ethanol and regular 98 octane unleaded and have no problems. But you can buy products that make diesel and petrol long lasting, the boat people they use it
nice Vintage Snap on Tool Box
There are additives for alcohol fuels that are claimed to reduce corrosion and also lubricate
Bing Carbs just love ethanol! Lot's of Beemer riders have gotten quite good at rebuilding carbs as a result. Thanks Jay, anything that can help with this stupid ethanol plague. He's right, running even 90 octane ethanol free is like a tune up after 10% ethanol 93 we get here in Georgia.
Hey Jay! How about an update on the P1? and I can't believe that you haven't done a meet and greet video with AMERICAN MADE Confederate Motorcycles. Please showcase the Wraith in a video. Much Obliged!
A local airport here in Washington sells 100 octane low lead for about $6.40 per gallon. Lead for the valves and no ethanol.
Several of the newer Racetrack stations in S/W Florida are now selling ethanol free gas.
Michigan 93 octane is non ethanol! :)
that's surprising considering Michigan is a democratic state.
MI has a Republican Govenor
Here in Florida many stations still have non-eth. gas. It's more expensive of course but my old Norton gets around 45 mpg.
It's usually only 8o oct but any of the marinas around here have up to 100 oct or more in some places.
Dear jay, I have heard a vicious rumor that you have a few of the Shelby dodge vehicles... I have been watching since I have heard about it and have not seen hide nor hare of them. As I have one my self (85 Shelby charger) that I have been unable fix up, I would like to see yours and see what quality looks like on one in the finer detail you seem to keep your automobiles in. As always I enjoy your show and will keep watching with enthusiasm!!!
E85 here in IA is 105-115 octane, forgot to mention that.
We have the same plight in Colorado 10%Ethanol in winter. I will say fuel does make a difference. On my two cars that sit during winter I put in a fuel stabilizer. One gets driven less than 100 miles per year and the other gets driven about 2000 miles per year. I wish we could get this stuff here in CO. The stabilizer preserves the fuel as long as I do this each winter I have had no problems. With some of your cars I would recommend a fuel stabilizer.
You can still find Ethanol free gas, even in CA - do a search...
I think it's pure-gas.org
RollYourRock You can, but its either 100+octane or its in the boonies.
a failed researcher.
***** Who failed?
You failed organic chemistry.
You can but its high octane and much more expensive
I feel high class when I treat myself to 91. I guess I have some catching up to do!
I've had my own bad experiences with Ethanol in gas. I had a 1984 VW GTI and I had to replace two electric fuel pumps because of Ethanol. These fuel pumps were in or near the gas tanks and apparently were there to deal with vapor lock. (I'm not a car guy. The only thing I know was that on a hot day your engine would die and you'd have to get towed. I used to go to Marathon stations because they were the only ones that didn't put ethanol in the gas.
I had a '96 Altima after that and had no problems with it, so I guess the manufacturers learned how to make a car that could run on this stuff.
If you don't like Ethanol in your gas, don't blame the EPA. Growing corn to make into Ethanol uses more energy than you get out of the Ethanol. It's the corn producers who are pushing this. Also, some of your more gas guzzling cars are dual fuel, meaning they can run on E85 fuel, and the government figures you'll do that half the time so you'll use half the gasoline. Somebody paid for them to think that, I'm pretty sure.
it wasn't because of the ethanol ruining your fuel pumps because it cleaned out the crap in your tank from being coated and the dirt in the line in the water and it plugged your fuel pump and it quit working
Jay unless they banned it, you can get 100 Octane at the pump "Cool Blue" from certain 76's.
And a Sunoco had 112 octane as well. This was in the Bay Area.
I'm a fan Jay I hope one day I can visit your garage and I hope Tim Allen's there I'm a fan of his 2 I'm from Detroit
That’s why E50 is best you don’t get bad mileage and the octane is pretty high there’s enough lube I. The 50/50 mix to keep seals and rubber good I personally run E30 in my cobra 95 octane
We can only hope for ethanol fuel to be discontinued, it sucks ASS!