How to Remove Ethanol From Gas | Toolin' Around with Andy Bumatai
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- First day of tour prep and Gary Montgomery shows me how to remove ethanol from gas, Toolin' Around with Andy Bumatai
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Adding a food coloring to the water is helpful. Also, letting it sit overnight, undisturbed usually gets better results. The spigot in the bottle is a great idea along with leaving it upside-down while it rests/settles. A lot safer too!
Great comment--definitely shake up the Gasoline & Water--let it sit over night and then drain off the Ethanol. HAVING A CONTAINER WITH A BOTTOM DRAIN IS A REAL HELP.
Awesome process and good info. "Are their any mistakes during this process you need to be careful of making?" Uh, yeah. Static electricity + vapors. The pump at the station we're all used to kinda removes that hazard, but joe blow at home has a myriad of opportunities to introduce and induce a thermal event. Grounding ,folks. You and your equipment. I fully support people at home doing this, but stay sharp. Also, a well ventilated area to boot. Doing this in your garage spells catastrophe if all these vapors creep along your garage floor to the pilot light of your water heater, barring variations, of course. Stay sharp!
Now that was educational, I never knew how to do that, Thanks for showing Andy.
You got it. Glad you liked it.
i use pure distilled water and i add food coloring first. the coloring doesnt mix with the gas! easy to see how much to drain off. also i add a little bit of race gas after to boost octain back up. if you start with 91 octane you end up with 86 octain. dont hurt your high compression motors. have fun.
That red can opposed to the other red cans haha great video! Appreciate the info
Great, going to try this out, subbed.
Thanks for the vid Andy. Love the tricks of the trade Gary. Missing you on the big island so remember, you can still come back to visit. This is a great tip. Many places sell ethanol-free gas now here. Yes, they charge more for it but more importantly, I've found that the octane is 89, when my bike's recommendation is for 91. Now, with a little effort, I can get 91 octane and it'll be cheaper than the non-eth 89. Brilliant Gary. Now follow up this video with your ensuing ride. Wanna see that '27 Indian in action.
I'll tell Gary you said so. ...and, yes, stay tuned for more on the '27. Riding shots and all. Thanks for watching.
Learn something new every day...I like that old bike
I'm glad you like the old bike. You'll be seeing a lot of it in the next month.
Wow thanks pretty darn cool. Don’t worry Andy the majority of us didn’t pay attention in science until life science started. Have a safe trip.
I'm glad you think it's cool because I sure did. Mahalo.
Great video Thank You
Wow! Fantastic!
Good info. Thanks
Awesome tip!
Ok now I can do this for my lawnmower too. At the end just add octane booster.
Just be sure your booster is not made of ethanol lol.
Just start with 93 octane, small engines are made to run on low octane fuels such as 89 octane which is near what you will have once you remove the ethanol
yep. my mower loves the stuff.
That man is a genius
Thank you guys. Subbed
Thanks Bullion Forever.
Gas was actually horrible in the early days and oil was even worse. Lead additives in gas helped out a lot. Most oil was paraffin based. My Grandfather was a firm believer in Marvel mystery oil for valves.
Does this process also take out detergents or do they remain in the gasoline?
Gasoline has additives, both anti-knock & injector cleaners. Question is, are they removed with the ethanol?
Adding the small amount of two stroke oil is much the same as a shot of reddex upper cylinder lubricant.
When using 2 cycle oil as an additive.. mineral or synthetic for that old Indian? Rgards and greetings from 🇳🇴
Thank you.
could adding 2 cycle oil to your gas because there isn't any led in gasoline anymore? You said something about lubrication of the valves, they can become stuck.
Lucas upper cylinder lubricant is awesome.
I buy an octane booster additive (about $3 for enough to boost 21gal) rather than spend the extra $1 per gallon for Supreme (91 octane) gasoline.
Wow! ... Nice
Thanks George.
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Did I miss it or was there a time frame you let it settle out?
You can only do this process once per batch. If you try a 2nd time it will contaminate the fuel and you can’t extract the water.
i do the same thing for my lawnmowers here in FL, because regular gas with (approx) 10% ethanol is 2.70 a gal. Regular gas with no ethanol is 3.70 and up! great video 🤙🤙
Thanks Edward. It was fun to learn this.
Ethanol isnt dangerous. Its only bad for the engine if it sits unused.
it’s bad for small engines.
@@edwardmichaels3388 i doubt theres any real evidence for this. Owners are worse for small engines than ethanol is.
Ethonol is bad for old motors/carburators and fuel lines with different types of material used at the time of their production. Also it's less efficient than 💯 gasoline.
I think the gas in the 1920's was leaded. The lead is what lubricated the valves, top end.
Yes, I think you're right.
@@AndyBumataiShow Actually he's wrong. Lead was added by the Germans in the 1930's. The higher compression on the German made engines made the addition necessary. Most side-valve engines run fine on unleaded.
Tetra ethyl lead.
Lead was a cheap octane booster.
...I do this also for my 2 stroke engine chainsaws .. it's great
Great video. How much 2 cycle oil?
I don't know.
No people, you can't drink that ethanol. Ha! Good to know this stuff Andy-san. Thanks you.
Ha haaaa... No, you can't drink it OR use it on your plants.
I drank the ethanol in the refinery, before they mixed it with petrol. Tasted like cinnamon buns.
Now what do you do with the water with a little gas in it? How do you get rid of that liquid?
If you do it so there's no gas in it it's just sugar and water basically. If there is a little gas in it dispose it like you would old oil or old gas. Your local dump will have rules on how to do that.
@@AndyBumataiShow cool thanks..
Other posts say to add dye to the water .
Good idea.
To better see the division. But he was playing safe and extracted some fuel after all the water was out.
And with Potassium carbonate (K2CO3) you can separate the ethanol-water mixture again. ;-)
Thank you
Did you guys happen to figure out the percentage of Ethanol in the gas after a separation event?
Interesting. I am from germany, here you can't buy ethanolfree gas since years. I have oldtimer bikes too, and ethanol is destroying carbs, sealings and hoses. IF i want to try this method, do i have to watch out for relation of water and gas? For example 1 gallon water for 5 gallon gas to work properly?
Part of a gallon, notice how he marked the container with the level before he added it.
I'm not a gasoline expert, so this is an innocent question. I thought even a tiny amount of water in gasoline is not good (especially for small engines), even such a small amount that gasoline that has been stored can have condensation water in it, making it tough to start, etc. This method seems as though it would be difficult to get every bit of water out of the gasoline, no? Thanks.
I don't think so. It separates, it can't mix and why he makes sure to take out a little gas after all the water/ethanol is removed but if you're concerned,, don't do it. I think there will be those who agree with you.
Andy Bumatai Thanks, Andy, for your video and your comment. I think if I was to do this method, I’d pump the gasoline out from atop the water rather than pumping the water from beneath the gasoline, if that makes sense. I realize he doesn’t want to hand pump that much (so would prefer a simple electric pump to do it the way I suggest), but that’s how I would do it to lessen the movement of the separated liquids, as is done in any chemistry lab. Just pump most of the gasoline back into the gas can, then discard the water (which he could have measured on the side of glass container rather than pumping back into the gallon jug; no gallon jug necessary). Just ideas, but there may be more to it that I don’t know about. ⛽️ Mahalo, Andy.
@@Burps___ Actually, it makes more sense to siphon from the bottom. That's because if you siphon the pure gas off the top, it's difficult to siphon off all the pure gas as you reach the alchol/water mix on the bottom. On the other hand, siphoning directly off the bottom (preferably with weighted tubing, it's very easy to see almost exactly whan all the alcohol water is removed without touching the pure gas. Try it and I think you'll see what I mean. But, to the video itself, he made a serious mistake. See my other comment that explains why he only removed a very small amount of the alchol. I'm really suprised that he didn't realize the error because it's really a glaring mistake. As to your original question (that someone else answered) water and gas DO NOT mix. Water is heavier that gas. It sinks right to the bottom. But water and alcohol DO mix and they also sink right to the bottom. There's no problem with adding water to gas as long as you remove it. The alcohol in ethanol attraches to moisture. That's how water gets in your gas. So, removing the ethanol eliminates that problem. It's ironic that to remove alchol, you have to add water to eliminate the problem of water in ethanol. They bond together and sink to the bottom so they are easily removed.
Please don't use an electric pump on flammable liquids.
Classic liquid-liquid extraction!
So, what do you do with the ethanol water mix left over from this process? Can the ethanol be easily separated from the water? Do you use the ethanol for other purposes?
Also, if you siphon the gas off the top, leaving the water/ethanol mixture in the bottom of the jug, can you just add more pumped gas for another batch? Essentially, allowing the ethanol to accumulate over time.
With K2CO3. Some salts dissolve better in water than in ethanol.
Mixed with the water, it's really not alcohol anymore.
I own a vintage bike and practice this method. The ethanol is destroys parts not designed for it. Plus the ethanol attracts moisture and promotes rusting of gas tanks. Leave it up to government to screw up things at the cost of the consumer.
The government loves to fix what aint broke.
Does this procedure change the octane rating?
Yes it lowers the octane down about 4 points. That's why you have to use high test to start with.
Cool tip. How do you dispose of the Ethanol once it is extracted?
Check your local laws but in general you would treat it like old trans fluid or gas you used to wash parts. Gary says here in Arizona he's allowed to pour it on rubbish he'll be burning. He pours it on, wait until the water evaporates then burns the rubbish and the ethanol. You can also call your local auto parts store and ask if they have a method of disposal.
Andy Bumatai Thank you. You always have great tips and people on your channel. Ride safe.
Wonder if ya could distill it and get the grain alcohol for other uses 🤷♀️😉
@@magicone9327I wouldn't
this works great. However in this video they did not get very much ethanol. You should be able to get about 5% out. That's what they put in. Soon they will be adding 10%.
Can you put the water in after you put the gas in and do the same thing
I don't know. My buddy was doing it. Not me. Sorry. Thanks for watching.
What was the name of the liquid that poured first?
Water
Hey ANDY .... thanks for the info contained in your vid ! GOOD info ! Question for you .....#1. why couldn't you use only a quart of water or even less maybe to 5 gals of gas ? #2. is there any percentage of ethanol in the gas (10% or 15%) that would make this process NOT work ? #3. What amount of ethanol will 3/4 of a gallon of WATER absorb (or bond with) so it removes it all ? I noticed you used 3/4 of gal of water to 5 gals on gasoline. Are these proportions critical ? Or like I said, can you use a quart of water instead 3 quarts to "purify" 5 gals of gas? #4. Could you use a PLASTIC 5 gal container for this ? THANKS
I don't know the answers to all you questions. I saw Gary do it for the first time when I shot the video. I'd suggest setting up a safe test area and try out what you'd like to do. I wouldn't use plastic though. There are heavy duty plastic jugs the the gas wouldn't eat up but it would be hard to see what's going on through them. Just my 2 cents.
Gas will melt some plastics, please be careful.
And now it's bedtime and too late to ride.
So what is the recommended water to gas ratio? Is it 1 gal water to 5 gal of gas?
It doesn't matter. It's not an exact ratio. Just as long as you pull out all of the separated water/ethanol.
Awesome 👍 thanks. Definitely going to be doing this.
Hey brother. At a quick glance you resemble and sound like Joe Namath.
Gas 18 years old would be varnish and I don't see that starting any engine.
It's better to siphon off the gas from just above the speration line. That way you can get rid of all the water/alcohol.
So is that gas like the True Fuel stuff they sell at the Home Depot?
Sorry, but I don't know.
Basically,except you lose octane, so if you start with a higher octane gas it'll be better.
Couldn't this also be done with a centrifuge?? I have one.
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What is the ratio of water/gallon?
10% should do the trick. You should have better results than they do here. There is at least 5% ethanol in gas, and soon it will be 10% you should be able to get almost all of it out just with water and gasoline.
How much water should I add for 5l of gas?
That's a 5 gallon bottle in the video so use as much as in the small white jug.
At least 500mL
How do you get rid of the ethanol and water mixture? It would be a lot easier if you could just buy non-ethanol gasoline.
Pour it on your lawn. It's sugar and water.
One guy said he poured in a metal can and burned it. But if it's got a little gas, not sure about that.
Should evaporate fairly easily over time
Some people love them some them.
Ethanol robs power, I notice the difference right away when I find a place to fill up with real gas!!
I also get better MPG so it's worth it if it costs more.
Real has rules!
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Antifreeze works faster and you can easily see the line of demarcation. Chainsaws and other 2 cycle engines will be destroyed if there is much alcohol in the fuel. Stations that sell nonethonel fuel sell so little that the chances are their old gas won't run in a chainsaw. Sometimes the alcohol percentage is much higher than the sign on the pump suggests so I test all gas for use in two cycle engines. 30 percent is not uncommon.
Why isn’t there a movement to get pure gas back??? This damn ethanol is ruining our cars and motorcycles even when manufacturers are making cars and bikes to run on 10% ethanol. I do this to get my gas ethanol free for my motorcycle. Loosing money and time on this process.
follow the money as always. farm subsidies for producing ethanol and bogus global warming bs politics
Congress wanted to bolster domestic petrol and (taking a cue from Brazil) mandated that gasoline would contain alchohol. A bad move because unlike Brazil that can utilize sugar cane waste, the US uses corn (that can otherwise be used to feed people)
Looks like you didn't get all the ethanol out. 5 gallons of e10 gasoline has an ethanol content of approx 1/2 gallon. The volume extracted should be the the original volume of water plus 1/2 a gallon ethanol. Kinda looks like you made some e8 gasoline. Unless the gasoline that you started was e2 to begin with. Since gasoline and water are not mixable the only way that ethanol can be extracted would be at the boundary layer, You really need to shake the ever loving sheet out of it to suspend the water within the gasoline and increase the surface area in order for the exchange to occur. The other way to do it is to add the water to the gasoline as the water is more dense and will need to pass through the gasoline to settle at the bottom and will extract ethanol as it settles to the bottom.
Rob Y sound like ya know a thing or two! 10 gal of e10 yields 1 gal of ethanol when removed with 1 gal of water for a 50/50 mix of 2 gal. Now if ya had a Still and could fractionate the mix you should get rid of the water and any voc's remaining for 1 gal of drinkable corn based ethanol. Moonshine sells for twenty per gal. Just wondering!
Anybody doing those as a business, like those independents that made Bio-Diesel before the government made it part of their EPA plan?
It’s such a quick and simple process, so why are we getting charged so much at the pump?? Hahahahaha and this is coming from someone who did pay attention in chemistry. Oh boy!
Yes, why are we being charged so much was my question too. I think I'll be buy 91 octane and converting it from now on.
Andy Bumatai Uncle converted it quickly and without much tools or a hassle. It’s something to really consider !
why does he state he filled the milk jug with water to the line, but if you look the water is not to the line more like halfway to the line?
That's the ethonal
@@C.O.SBurpees what I was looking at was before he added the water to the 5 gal jug, not after he siphoned the water back out.
you’re right, halfway to the line
Interesting but wouldn’t agree on adding 2 stroke oil into the mix as the end of the day it’s a 4 stroke engine 😉
Old scooters & motorbikes ain't .... and the ethanol kills the engines. You remember 2 star Petrol?
Four star petrol needs 2 stroke oil in
Phil Cee yes I remember the old 2 & 4 star petrol of old, good stuff but now superseded with this ethanol crap, but have a look on the link below and enjoy the show that Matt puts on 👍🏻
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Put an ounce or two of Klotz 2 stroke oil into your tank every fill up. Cleans and lubricates injectors and other good stuff.
The old timers use marvel mystery oil in AIRPLANE engines. They say you can hear the difference.
Pour the gas in first
The older guy looks like walter white
But for cars
If available you can get it at an air port plane gas has no ethanol in it.
Planes and helicopter using kerosene. You can't put this into a regular motor.
@@TobiasRieperGER Small aircraft run on gasoline, though I'd surprised if you'd be able to fill up a gas can at an aviation fuel depot
Stop the video at 0.46 and you can see the amount of water in the bottom of the gallon jug verses where he points his finger at the black line. it's not at the top where he points!
the only problem is, you have about 85 octane gasoline in your jug now.
Which is why you should start with Premium and or add octane booster after
"They say" the ethanol accounts for roughly 2-3% of the octane rating. He said he started with 91 octane, so what's left should be 88 octane. That's probably more than enough for most 2 stroke engines to run properly. If a person wants or the machine it's going in to, needs more octane, mix some octane boost in the gas.
This was about removing the ethanol that dries fuel lines, attracts water to the fuel and it allows gas companies to sell lower grade fuel as higher octane fuel (ethanol enriched).
Ethanol was not added because of any anti-knock properties as it has none. It was sold with the idea that it will make us less dependent on foreign oil imports, because ethanol is made from corn. And with certain mixtures with gasoline it can reduce carbon monoxide.
However, it has become something of a boondoggle because now the govt just pays farmers huge subsidies to grow more corn, which is passed on to taxpayers, not to mention at the expense of growing other more profitable crops.
The point here is that simpler engines in lawnmowers, lawn tractors, boats, motorcycles, farm equipment and older cars are not designed to run on ethanol. And ethanol being hygroscopic means it attracts water which makes them run even worse.
And ethanol-free gasoline is more expensive. Not because it’s harder to make, quite the opposite, but simply to discourage its use..
you're correct, however the word you want to use is hydrophilic. not hygroscopic.
Thank you
Wasn't better gas in the old days. It had lead in it. The lead was the lubricant needed for the valves. Once the lead was removed, valve guides and seats needed to be updated. Ethanol is bad for older motors only if the rubber in your fuel system is not ethanol compatible. Just old-timers not keeping up with technology. Also, octane is not about thermal efficiency. It is about resistance to detonation under pressure. If your 1920 Flat head only ran 8.8:1 compression then low octane is more than enough. Run a High compression bike then you need the higher octane to avoid detonation and knocking. That is all.
"Lead" was added to gas, had nothing to do with lubrication. The "lead" is a byproduct that had no other use someone marketed as an octane booster doesn't really boost it that much. Much easier on the older engines than ethanol.
I remember adds saying they removed the lead from gas, which was BS since they had to add it in the first place.
With pure gas you will see an increase in mpg. Say you want to run pure ethanol on a carburetor engine you would have to increase the jet size to allow more fuel flow. Ethanol is not as efficient as pure gas. It does burn cooler than pure gas.
Which is why racers or performance cars with turbos use it or E85.
Snd you disposed of the ethenol and little bit of petrol where? 😂😂😂😱
i like it.....but now what do you do with shit you siphoned out
You can tell this is from before biden. Ship the gas to Hawaii and get $4 a gallon. :) It up to $4.80 in Washington now. 4/13/24 FJB
Did you hurt yourself trying to make this political? I guess when your only tool is a hammer everything looks like a nail.
@@AndyBumataiShow Not near as much as when I got gas for $4.68 a gallon yesterday. Now run along sonny. Don't get your panties in a wad!
@@billhamby3795 I think youʻre confused as to whoʻs panties are in ia wad. YOU brought it up NOT me. Oh, and "sonny?" You must be really old.
I won't violate the guidelines of the channel to respond. 🙄
Hey, remember that one time that Ethanol was used to not only help gasoline burn clean, but also add a few octane numbers to the fuel? What do you think happens to gasoline when you removed that 10% ethanol.... Side note, all you guys can have pure gas. Ill take my high power GT500 straight to the E85 pumps and make 1000 rwhp on it for 2.50 a gallon.
what a ego you have...listyen bubba..it's not about poer..it's about what happens to gas in a tank when it's allowed to sit for periods of time, in higher humidity where the alchol attracts water....so fucking anxiouos to sound off, you can't learn anything..typical republican,
Seems that no one making these videos talks about what the right thing to do with the residual water and ethanol residue...just go out and dump it on your palm trees..no...dump it in your veggie garden...no...dump it on the street...no...dump it on a bvacant lot.....no...take it a recycling center...MAYBE...
Does water evaporate in your neck of the woods?
we can buy gas without Ethanol .. kind of easier . or add a treatment to gas to remove it . whatever
treatments do not remove ethanol.
Everything was made better back then then it is nowadays
This is complete shit for old guys who let their bikes sit and rot
OMG ! Is that a glass container with gallons of gas AND you are inside your garage ?? Please use plastic so that you have a chance to live and still have a house if you drop the container.
You wanna ruin that classic old bike, just keep on doing stupid stuff like this, you'll never get the residual water in the remaining gasoline out and it will corrode your engine's rare carb and if allowed to sit raw in the engine will rust spot your cylinders and condense as water inside your oil when the engine cools. Don't recommend this, it is completely BS.
Why isn’t there a movement to get pure gas back??? This damn ethanol is ruining our cars and motorcycles even when manufacturers are making cars and bikes to run on 10% ethanol. I do this to get my gas ethanol free for my motorcycle. Loosing money and time on this process.
Maxx SpeedForce we are starting to see new gas stations installed here that are giving the option of non ethanol gas which is great to see
@Matt Unknown- that’s good news but where I live in the northeast there’s none as far I can tell, I’ve searched far and wide. I would much rather pay the extra cents than have to go on the process of having to remove that ethanol.
I live in Kommiefornia....non ethanol gas is not available,except the small cans @ home depot,ect...$7.a quart....all my equipment is damaged from this ethanol crap gas,..weed wackers, chain saws,mowers,pressure washer,rototiller,water pumps, log splitter, ... cars,trucks that not used much , rotts out steel gas tanks plugs up fuel system ect...thank you for this video !!
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