T-14 Armata vs K2 Black Panther - Tank Arena Episode 3.
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- Опубліковано 22 тра 2024
- Welcome to the Tank Arena series, where we will be comparing various tanks and award them points in different categories that include firepower, fire control system, protection, survivability and mobility, 100 points maximum for each category which would make it 500 points in total, aaand based on that we will see which one would be a better tank, also we will compose a list and put tanks in place they deserve, and at the end, we will take a look at all the tanks we have compared and sort them, from the best to the worst.
In this episode we will be comparing South Korean K2 Black Panther and Russian T-14 Armata.
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Sources:
btvt.info/2futureprojects/arma...
andrei-bt.livejournal.com/635...
"T-90 Standard Tank" Steven J. Zaloga (contains info on T-14)
topwar.ru/718-korejskij-obt-k... - Авто та транспорт
I wont judge until I see them perform in War thunder .
True, I'm waiting
War Thunder is a fantasy game.
@@charlesb1602
nowhere near when compared to other games.
and if war thunder was 100% realistic, unit costs/repair costs/mass production and economy in general would make USSR completely overpowered.
especially considering that realistically a modern T-90MS costs half of the unit price of a m1a2 SEP V2 abrams.
so yea it cant be 100% realistic in order to have some balance in the game.
@@charlesb1602 your not wrong. But then again simulator games are used by real life militaries and some of them rated warthuner as ultra realistic and nice in graphics, when talking about virtual training.
@@bolshevik1017 but that wouldn’t make USSR overpowered. They would be able to spit out tanks but not to our rate. Comparing GDPS it wouldn’t be able to hold up with America’s. America is extremely powerful. If it was realistic there would be just as much if not more Abrams which are better then Russian tanks. Especially when it Conrad to air capability. Mind you repair cost wouldn’t effect a player but a larger porthole of American GDP which I believe would hold a lot more than russias
There's one feature of K2 that I don't think you've accounted for. It's awesome active suspension system. K2 can automatically adjust it's suspension height on each individual torsion bar to produce a smoother ride. The driver can also use this feature to help the gunner achieve greater gun depression and elevation. This improves both the offensive and defensive capabilities of the tank because the smoother ride aids in shooting on the move and in hiding the tank's profile in a hull down position.
smoothness of movement isnt that nice when compared to most modern cannons which are stabilized enough to place a beer on the barrel and have it not spill
@@ASlickNamedPimpback smoother ride is better for more things than gun stabilization
@@iguessyoucouldcallitconten8568 Yes, because you need to drink this beer from the barrel in the end. One can drink beer sitting on a barrel tho.
Have the Russians been able to produce the T 14 armada???
Answer: No.
Just the T 72 B.
And it's popping like zits in Ukraine 🇺🇦
@@t.j.mccarthy3517 this entire thread is about the K2.
Finally K2 Black Panther is featured here! It is one of the most beautiful tanks ever made in my opinion. K2 has hydropneumatic suspension, so it has amazing hull down capacity. Especially useful on Korean terrain, where majority is mountainous.
Indeed! Same goes to the JGSDF Type 10 mbt.
EM Nemesis and Type 90
@@EMNemesis Japanese type10 got its catapillar loose while drifting on ground lol
Nah, the T-95 Black Eagle is even sexier.
@@robert.m6755 but no tank can beat Bob Semple
who knew the t-14 fires vacuums at it's enemies
Yhermobaric rounds its not New
@@SparkySlow No its apfsds
It’s just the name of the round
Just gotta accept a joke when it's obvious, guys..
"The list is subject to change the more tanks we compare." - a quote that didn't age well
It wouldn't really change anything, but you could've given the K2 another 5 points for its adjustable suspension. It allows for better firing angles in specific terrain and I do not believe that the T-14 has that capability.
You just said it yourself, it wouldn't really change anything anyway..
@@xAlexTobiasxB It's a matter of principle. In this case it didn't really matter, but if this project is to encompass dozens of machines at some point then some regularity and attention to detail won't hurt.
you make no sense. just because the suspension isn't going to make the k2 a better tank than the t14
@@Brian-qj4kk It does offer niche advantages in uneven terrain. It's unlikely, but certainly not impossible that a few degrees of extra gun depression can mean the difference between succes and failure at a tactical scale. Wouldn't be the first time.
bmp-3 or bmd-4 has that aswell
Main advantage of K2 is that it exists
K2 actually in production: 100 points
T14 is in production too
@@salamander4668 Nope. Prototypes only.
It started production en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-14_Armata
@@salamander4668 Wikipedia is a poor argument still more K2s than T 14s
@@fabio6170 So? T14 is still better. Both tanks haven't been in battle though, so who knows.
K2 is the latest MBT, T-14 is for ceremonial use
Come to Russia. You have nothing to fear. Russian planes fly on chips from refrigerators and are held together by potato skins.
The Ukraine war is sure a ceremony 😂
@@red1004 Exactly! and T-14 is a no show in Ukraine... This leads me to believe that the published capabilities of the T-14 are not real and the Russians are afraid to use it because the truth will come out that the Armata is a piece of crap.
@@red1004 There's no T-14 in Ukraine
I feel like MBTs will become irelevant soon as 3 decades old highly mobile APCs with mounted Javelins could take both of these down.
I would really like to see a video about the Rheinmetall MBT Revolution package for the Leopard 2A4s
Rohrkrepierer boring
I want to see Henschel or Krupp design an modern tank
Ask the Turks what happened to theirs
@@hunterbg6651 Right after I ask the Austrians how they won the strong Europe tank challenge with theirs, OK?
Fun fact Korea have most modern T-80 MBT.
t-80u
Ever heard of new Russian t80 variants like that t80u?
@@maxim6088 thats what the koreans got lol. do you even pay attention
@@hexbeat7155 its russian tank was T80BVM pay attention
they have BMP's too.
The whole turret could be a blow out panel.... also without crew you can use rather aggressive fire suppression methods.
Awesome series, keep up the good work!
Active prptection system is already on k2
And the engine is 1500hp
Engine is not from german only the transmission is
The frontier armour of k2 is 1.85 times better then lateset k1a1
Nobody doubts that, and he included active protection. it lost 10 points on mobility, because Armata can go its max speed both forward and reverse. And I don’t think K2 can.
@@scudb5509 i never said point should be higher or anything i am just telling the correct inf
He said whole power train is from germany
Actually, APS is not on K2 right now. The development is complete, but they haven't installed it due to infantry protection. (shrapnels can injure infantries nearby.)
Update
APS will be installed on K2 in the future upgrade program. (K2 PIP)
1451hp but on paper be 1500hp..50+1=51% bigger than 49%
Yeah hes really Bias
Russians be like:
GOD DANGIT FINALLY NEUTRAL TURN AND MORE THAN 3km/h REVERSE
@13477 54У33 well i admit i was overly mean but 12km/h is still pretty much sluggish
Cuz, Russians don’t retreat.
French tanks have 1 gear forward and 5 in reverse.
@@scudb5509 goes faster backwards than forwards
that and GUN DEPRESSION .... fucking russian happy tanks.
@@predattak russian tankers never been so happy
You should introduce *crew comfort and ease of maintenance* as categories for these head to head comparisons.
edit: I know that you didn't have them for these 3 videos you already made, but I think that those two are important cause designers give those two a special care when designing and making tanks. And those are just as important as other categories to any tank crew.
No, these are not battle winning categories. Besides, both tanks pretty much have the same standard of crew comfort, there is not really a big difference in modern tanks, anything is better than T55 tin can...
Oh maybe you want a Mahito and a Massage with you in the tank?
What are you? You think you are getting into a tank for a all inclusive resort? You are in the army and you are getting inside a military killing machine, suck it up.
@@scudb5509 crew comfort plays a big role in the perseverance of the crew. A crew in a comfortable tank could be in a tank for half a day and go for another round after a quick drink. If it isn't comfortable at all they gonna get exhausted and want to get out asap after a couple hours.
T14 is a ambitious tank, but an electrical tank is out of battle because of one electronic error, not to mention the retraining of the crews to fix the tank(either that or it's flying back into the hangar to be fixed by a specialist).
that means the abrams x is a failed tank because all parts of the tank use a massive electrical system, even the machine uses an electric motor🤷♂
@@Brian-qj4kk no it is an American made one bro.. so it will be perfect unlike Russian T14 and Chinese ones... and don't forget about German Panther tank NATO made stuffs are the only good stuffs Russia and China will make fake stuffs. lol
PERFECT ! keep going man ! NEXT BATTLE Abrams m1a2 SepV3 vs Challenger 2 ! or Leclerc vs Japanice Type 10 :)
And one more think i want to cover .. As u tell in one of your privious videos , no matter how good or bad is the tank , in the wrong hands is useless .. I think in the modern warfare all will depend on tactics and crew training and experience !
Dimozata challenger is the worst mbt well aside from the Indian tank
@@10inchtyler47 Don´t call that indian thing a tank, more like a test vehicel and after that they lost interest XD
The challenger 2 is not the best yes, but it has it´s place. That thing has a really strong allround protection for an MBT
Since the crew compartment is the best protected part of the T-14, the crew can live to man another tank and pass on their experience.
Dimozata dude what are tactics gonna help you if you can‘t pen the armor of your opponent
@@tantemarianne1053 Ya flank it, ya dingus!
How do you think shermans took out tigers!
Thank for posting video!!!
2021 here, the t14 is still vapourware. Russia has built a grand total of 19 t14s.
2022 here still have 19 but half the regular tanks have been abandoned in Ukraine
@@TheGunBub you mean the age-old machines made the third of ukraine being abandoned by ukraine? what Armata are you even talking about lol
30+ in actual service and 142 signed last week for this/next year
What are the odds of the cameras working after receiving incoming fire? What do you do with a blind tank? Will they see enough to eaven leave the battle feald after being hit?
k2's tonnage is limited by kr 'battle bridge' limitation. (because, so many river, etc)
I heard while training as a 55-ton bridge when I was a Korean army
nice video! would you make a video on wheeled fighting vehicles like type16 MCV from JP, m1128 MGS from US, centuro from Italy.
#TeamCentauro
Their not really tanks though, are they?
@@rhodanjones5155 No, they are not as their names suggest.
Type16 Maneuver Combat Vechile.
M1128 Mobile Gun System
They are direct fire support unit.
But it does not hurt to have a little talk about these vehicles, does it.
(cascavel from Brazil)
great video as usual man, very informative and interesting. thanks!
So in resume, the one who shoot first win the day...
Element of surprise sure is a bitch 👌
I mean, the T-14's active protection system can intercept the K2's projectile and identify where the shot came from and pinpoint it towards the crew.
@@Aguy644 The devastating impact that never happened because of the APS?
@@alexanderd6793 an aps can reduce peneration for apfds but if a shot is sent to the t14 turret the gun or electronics can be heavily damaged
@@joehernandez2506It doesn't matter or at least not that much, because any modern gun may jam by getting hit even if the shot didn't penetrate. If an M1A2 gets hit on the turret cheaks the gun might jam, strategically destroying it, the same goes for T-14
Unlike the mythical T-14, the Korean K2 is a real tank in production and deployed with Korean Armored Divisions.
Stay mad
ok 👍
🤦🏽♂️
So its either u were american that hates russia so much or ur a south Korean
@@Nothing.... Either way he’s coping
I believe ammo compartment was seperated from the crew compartment to allow for increasing the APFSDS length, moreover, the tank is higher than all previous Russian designs to serve the same purpose: a longer APFSDS round
tall, but I think Rounds are flat not standing
@@76456 actually they are standing my friend
You didn't mention the K2's suspension system which can be adjusted to terrain. This affects mobility. From K2 BP page Wikipedia:
"The Black Panther fields an advanced suspension system, called the In-arm Suspension Unit (ISU), which allows for individual control of every bogie on the tracks. This allows the K2 to "sit", "stand" and "kneel", as well as "lean" towards one side or a corner. "Sitting" gives the tank a lower profile and offers superior handling over roads. "Standing" gives the vehicle higher ground clearance for maneuverability over rough terrain. "Kneeling" augments the angular range in which the tank's gun barrel can elevate and depress, allowing the vehicle to fire its main gun downhill as well as engage low-flying aircraft more effectively. The suspension unit also cushions the chassis from vibrations when travelling over uneven terrain, as the bogies can be adjusted individually on-the-fly."
That’s not much, but it’s good for survivability. As it can lower its profile.
And this suspension technology has been used previously. I think the first mass produced vehicle was BMD-1. Not sure.
I know Swedish tanks have it as well.
@@scudb5509 The swedish Stridsvagn 103 has it. But that one has been replaced by the Stridsvagn 121, and later the Stridsvagn 122.
yah i agree the suspension of k2 was not mentioned..it has advantages
its useless, whos gonna use adjustment suspension on battlefield? its not a city street
brian useless? I can fuck 4 T14 tank with K2 tank. isu suspension is superverb. T14 is like tumbling doll :) while moving. and they don't have accurate shooting with old soviet era torsion ba even 20km speed T14 can't shoot K2 over 2km . well. K2 can fuck even 8km with KSTAM. and sensorfusion radar and IR C2 with 5km fin point accuracy :)
great video !
Finally!!!! Another VS’s
Hello papa stalin
@@russiacountryhumans936 Hello
Can we have an IFV and a light tank arena?
Outcome would depends on the terrain fought.
Flatter terrain would result in T-14 winning the fight.
K2's active protection system may be limited to two per side, but the coverage they provide seems to be much greater than those of the T-14.
K2's active protection system are two units mounted on the turret top, and the system provides greater angles of coverage (including up).
T-14 active protection system is mounted between the turret and the chassis. It is claimed that the Afghanit system can protect 360 degrees (horizontal coverage), but I am unsure how the system can protect the tank completely (unless the turret abandons its offensive function, rotates, and aligns the Afghanit tubes to the incoming threat).
Elevated terrains (mountains and hills particularly in northern as well as eastern portion of Korean peninsula) would result in K2 having some advantages that could be exploited.
K2 can utilize its suspension system to change angle of the turret, and further affect the trajectory of the munition.
K2 can utilize the KSTAM as well as traditional munition.
K2 apparently can wade through 4.1 meters of water using a snorkel system that requires 20-30 minute preparation.
True.
Aye yo continue this series man
Will you still be making the tank arena series?
I really enjoy those :)
K2's power train and engine are not from Germany, also T-14's engine can be switched to 2000 hp giving it a maximum speed of 90 km/h but this will reduce the engine's life span (service life?).
Korean trams are made in consideration of the terrain. T14 or K2 both have different scores depending on the terrain...
So I can't say that any tram is bad except for the Japanese and Chinese tanks.
As Russian docterine has always shown it exells at fighting on plains. So do American tanks though they fare much better on light hilly terrain because gun depression.
Korean/Japanese tanks are made to work in very hilly terrain or even mountains- that's half the reason why the indirect parachute shell is a thing.suspension also helps it peek out, hide turret, or adjust the hull, things that are unnessisary on plains.
I have to say, that parachute/shell thing is the most stupidest thing I've seen. You can shoot it down with machine gun. Plus modern tanks protection systems could be utilized.
Great videos. Can you do a video on tank suspension and tracks?
good cover on both greatest tanks nowadays
14:30 but why do you not discuss the amphibious capabilities of these tanks? It is my understanding that the K2 can traverse 2m deep waters without extra preparations, and 4.5m deep waters with deep snorkels installed by engi teams: militaryleak.com/2017/11/29/k2-black-panther-tanks-river-crossing/
I cannot find much about the amphibious capabilities of the T14, do you know anything?
main battle tanks of any worth are not amphibious. Most tanks that were design to use snorkels are so rarely used because it is so dangerous. the tanks can not use their weapons when they are underwater and any damage to the snorkel or the tube that the commander sits on to guide the tank when it underwater will sink it very quickly and problem kill the whole crew. Even vehicles that are design to do this like the AAV 7 is dangerous one just sunk killing 8 members of it crew and it is the best amphibious in the world
@@gomimaninoakland The amphibious ability is quite important though, if there's small river on the way, but the tank can't cross the river without an instant bridge it will be a be quite big obstacles.
Not amphibious, just the river crossing capability, and considering russian tanks traditionally have great fording abilities i suspect we will see some sort of snorkel for it as well
If points are added based on availability, t14 would be doomed
I think you should add another category cost/value to compare worth
And we now know they cannot make the t14 and the prototypes breakdown all the time and don't meet their spec so minus 500 points also the T90M does live up to it's specs will be interesting to see if the leopard 2 tanks are equal over sold.
Hi Red, how about you make a video about the Polish PT-91?
That tank is weak
I can't wait for the video about M1A2 sep v3 (possibly with a TUSK kit XD)
It’ll probably rank 3rd behind the black panther
Drew Ivan nope, its worse than leo2
Tante Marianne a sep v2 maybe, the v3 is a significant upgrade
@@Muscovy7 its not better then the t72
luka bogdanovic It is
Will this series ever make a comeback? It's pretty cool to see how various tanks stack up to each other. I really wanna see the rankings at the end.
K2 needs to add a RCW 12.7mm or 7.62mm gun, exposing the commander is ridicules . Also need 360 (vision) camera, active protection and better protection or design of the front ammo bay. K2 is one of the best MBT in the world and I love it.
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2등 해도 무기의 가격 운용 유지비 성능 종합적으로 보면 k2 우세한것 같은댕 아르마타가 성능이 좋지만 가격이 ...
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You forgot Kimchi refrigerator in K2 and Vodka Fridge in T14. You also forgot to mention Russian tank not having any depression whilst K2 having too much depression.
Russian tank with depression will be shot down immediately.
It's modern suspension can adjust
One tank exists, and the other is barely an experiment.
How did you convert between RPMs and torque?
You should have given k2 1000 points for having a well trained crew 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Another 1000pts for a working tank
100% agree
The problem with T-14 is that the tank itself has issues with withstanding its own recoil. At 5:05 you can clearly see that K-2's gun is staying still while the body itself absorbs the recoil. Look at 1:12. T-14's gun shakes around with the recoil. I think this should have been taken in consideration when scoring the both tanks. No other tanks I know has this issue.
High muzzle velocity guns dont need to worry about their guns recoil cuz the projectile is long gone
Next time, Challenger vs. LeClerc, T-14 vs Merkava, or T-14 vs Challenger.
is that cover on the t14 turret just held on by little clips? It looks like it
11:04 - What's the story behind this clip? Are these T-72s in Syria? Where was the tank hit (can't tell by looking at it), and with what type of weapon?
yes in syria and was hit by a RPG-29 i believe under the turret hitting the magazine
Too bad Russia doesn't have the money to back mass production of T-14, it's a great tank though.
Doesn't have money, lol
@@user-qn3xu5ee3t Russian has a smaller economy than Canada. Its pathetic. They cant even afford to mass produce the T14. They will get 100 at most and that's after 2025.
@@cattledog901 Canada is inviting all them invaders good luck!
And if he say, NO ?
Theres always money for tanks comrade ; )
Who will attack Russia so it needs 100s of new tank ? Noone.
America made 3000 Abrams tanks that sit around in Vegas desert eating money.
You don't actually believe the T-14's hull can't be penetrated...
The tank wont be of much use with the turret blown off
@@jimmydobson5029 like most of tanks
I can believe it for now at least. Reduced turret armor and add it on to the hull. In theory it’d double the armor of any other tanks hull.
Armata tank is the most sophisticated than others. Truely I did loved the camera monitors inside the tank. These are the answers.
How many T14s have been produced and issued to units?
Why does the gun of T-14 shake so much after fire?
4 ivans are holding it in place. As long as russia wont export / let outside experts in this tanks i still think its a propaganda box.
Because the stabilizer is not perfected yet, and the turret is fairly not done so far, Thats why so many different turrets are still experimented with, the only 'amazing thing' about the Armata is the body/chassis, the turret is more of a prototype and is made to be later replaced I guess
T-14 Still in testing
zipsterrr the M1 abrams is a propaganda box
@@maxim6088 wow so much bs xD So the gun shakes after fire so much cuz its in Loading stance, its not the gun but the whole tank that moves a lot, you can clearly see it in the video, everytank with has this, on T-14 its clear that the Loading command is set to " continuous" by the gunner, meaning if the gunner selected AP the gun directly after beeing fired will start loading meaning it will be locked in place.
K2 for the win lol
Hi mat
i like the k2 more. at least it doesnt look as retarded as the t14 armata
Win in your dream jajaja lol
@@usaisthebestiockdownpoiice816 For me T-14 looks way cooler
Oh hey Matt.
I have a few questions. What is the best armored t-55? What nation has the best variant of the t-55 and can a t-55 equip relikt era? What is the best apfsds projectile for a t-55?
Missed this series
Are you kidding?
Wakanda Forever
@@Chaden_Allen The tank will destroy everything in a few kilometers,and spear is thrown from a few meters.Wakanda fornever.
@@Chaden_Allen MLRS.Topol-M.Airstrikes.Nukes.
@@Chaden_Allen Some random jungle tribe has missile defence system?
@@Chaden_Allen There are still many ways to destroy that useless nonexistent jungle tribe.
@@Chaden_Allen Russian Bear bomber,Blackjack bomber,etc.
Im skeptical that the t14 will be reliable enough and practical enough in wartime situations, with the use of the unmanned turret and over working the engine from what it gets accustomed to could possibly lead to issues, as well as the wear and tear of the remote systems in the turret. Plus, electrical fires could happen if hit in the turret due to the large amout of electronics in the turret, as well as possible damage to weapon systems leading to misfires and other bad qualities. This all coupled with it being a good target from the air and very low numbers lead to imo a not great tonky boi. fun video though!
Regarding your statement that T-14 is a good target from the air, it is not an easier target than other MBTs because of its soft-kill protection system. Its Ka-band AESA radars and IR/UV sensors can detect incoming projectiles, including top attack ammunitions, and will trigger its NII Stali Upper Hemisphere Protection Complex, which consists of 2 steerable cartridges containing 12 charges each and another vertically launched cartridge containing 24 charges mounted on the turret, to launch chaffs/ECM cartridges to jam the warhead of radar-guided missiles and deploy heat smoke screen to obscure the thermal signature of the tank to counter heat-seeking missiles. Additionally, the remote controlled machine gun will be directed to fire at the incoming projectile, adding a degree of hard-kill protection to the tank's defence.
What happened with the Tank Arena series? this is the last video and this is the best series on this channel please do more!
did he mentioned the fact that k2 has adjustable suspension? and possibly better gun depresion?
Do the PT-91 vs T72 B3
The the T72B3 will win easily
@@derjan8820 what the PT-91 is twice as better
@@ecchinosama1205 It has an outdated gun without any modern ammo for it. The only protection improvent are some ERAWA plates which are decent but still doesn't increase the protection enough to survive any hits from modern APFSDS so how is it better?
@@derjan8820 better ERA and better Fire control
@@ecchinosama1205 Worse mobility, worse gun with outdated ammo, worse composite armor
You should do the Original M1 vs the T-80B
T-80B is better. Not much but still
4:20 Ivan enjoying the new machine guy
Is there any info for height of each tank? T14 looks to have higher turret(but it is unmanned turret? Technically it could have lower height for cover)
Too bad there is only 20 armatas produced; whereas 260 K2 are already rolling. Armata is experiment. K2 is in the field and operational.
Hey everyone CRAZY FACT. The K2 black panther is going to be purchased in Azerbaijan and the T 14 to be purchased in Armenia, these 2 countries are at war and these 2 tanks could go head to head!?
I doubt it
@@Kalashnikov413 Well to be fair the war ended a lot faster than I expected, but they are both buying those tanks
@@catthomas3097 if Armenia does purchase T-14, then it would be a interesting one
few details that where not aborded that could have changed the scores:
-autonomy
-number of ammunitions transported
-presence/absence of hydrodynamic suspensions
-climbing abilities
-general size (an tank that is too long and that have an too long gun can become hell on earth to manoeuvrate in some areas)
-main gun elevation and depression
-the max speed on terrain and/or the ground pressure (being fast on the ground doesn't necessarly mean being fast on the dirt)
-amount of time required for the autoloader to load an new round after each shot (and to replace the round if necessary to change it)
also, with the T-14 configuration, an penetrating round from the front-side would mean an 100% casualties (since the 3 crews sit right next to each others)
with the K2, such thing can be harder to achieve (the two on the turret are separated by the gun , and about the ammorack sitting next to the pilot, i assume thare's at least some kind of internal plates to avoid any spalling to hit the rack)
also, i find hard to believe that an 1350 HP at 2100 RPM can do more than an 1475HP at 2700 RPM... also, about the "hypermode" of the russian engine, de we know if the increase of power will cost in terms of RPM?
Good video. But I miss some points in the comparison. Prize and the possibility to keep the tanks rolling.
GUTGW 👍
Red effect have you thought of Challenger 2 vs T90
He already did T-90 in one of the other videos comparing it to Leo 2A7. And 2A7 is better than the Ch 2.
@@scudb5509 ehh depends on the situation
Challenger especially without recently proposed upgrades is obsolete tank for Europe. It is in the same class as maybe T-72B or Leo 2 A4. It is a land battleship with super weak main gun. Mobility is ... it has mobility? Oh yeah it has WWII mobility unless you pick a Sherman... which has more. Main gun AT performance is sub North Korea (!).
All the K2 has to beat are the 1950s T55 that north Korea has. Do a video on that.
please make a specific video on japanese type 10 and korean k2
kinda sad that you didn't mentioned the suspension in the mobility era
What about the argentine TAM tank Versus the French AMX-30?
@13477 54У33 the AMX-30 is not the leclerc
@@ethanfallert2034 well the amx 30 is a tank that was devlopped during the 60 s so it would be pointless to compare both of them since it would be the same to compare à sherman with an abrams m1
@@gasupplisson I believe the TAM was designed in the early 1970s, but for some reason they did not enter service till the mid 90s.
@@ethanfallert2034 my bad didn t now that part, thanks for the info
@@gasupplisson it's fine man
K2 could be the best of its generation, T14 belongs to the future!
Too bad the classic era of "tanks" is over, and the T-14 is at best transitional to the next era of AFV combat.
You should do a video on the type 10
Thank You so much for this great video, Bro!
You forgot to mention the fact that the T-14 could accommodate the 135mm and 152mm cannons as well.
Not true the 152mm cannon would be put on the Armata chassis but the whole turret and body would change, (and the 135 mm would be a different Armata variant with a different turret I believe)
@@maxim6088 no its true
the T-14 is the perfect hull-down monster
The t 14 is trash
@@valentinapetrova9675 m1 abram is trash
@@valentinapetrova9675 How to check? Why do you have russian name? Petrova? Is it trash or not?
When's the new episode?
didnt the the T14 have more smaller aps charges on the roof wich can go any direction including top attack ??
@@komradearti9935 so against top attack only softkill against other soft + hardkill then
Arjun vs Chonma-ho pls. I feel like there's not enougg discussion about these less-than-advanced tanks
chonma-ho? it's technically an local copy of T-62.
if you want an more modern NK MBT, take the pok pung ho or the songun-ho
@@gamecubekingdevon3 Those are still just shitty T-62M with useless manpads strapped on.
The Arjun stomps the Chonma-ho. Think of the Arjun as a worse Leopard 2A4.
@@teod9270 not exactly, if you take a closer look:
-you see the chassis is longuer and wider, the tracks are wider, the engine compartment is bigger (one of the easyer thing to spot: an 6th wheel as been added, while T-62 chassis got only 5)
-the added on BDD is far thicker than that of T-62M
-on the pok pung ho, the basic turret is welded (while both chonma ho and songun-ho got cast turrets, why would a country who love cast turret would suddenly use welded ones? the answer seem quite simple, since it's easyer to put NERA armor in plates than in curves inserts)
-the manpads, i don't think they are useless (bulsae II and III ATGM got an decent penetration) and they don't seem to be simply fixed on the turret, but more like simply connected (wich mean there's a good probability that the crews can use them from within the turret?)
(also, we know that NK had put their hands on several soviet tanks like T-72 and T-80, so, we can easily assume that they, at least, learned some stuff about the engine and the armor composition)
in my opinion, the main weakness of pok pung ho and songun-ho are probably the electronics (wich lacks behind other country's electronics due to nk's isolation) but for the mobility, the armor and the firepower, i don't think there's a real reason for them to be that bad (even assuming they still rely on soviet-era tech)
@@gamecubekingdevon3 I guarantee you the added thickness is to compensate for inferior armor quality.
The MANPADS are not ATGMs.
I agree T-14 has fantastic anti-tank weaponry, but unmatched anti-infantry as well? An M1A2C with MPAT, Crows, add-on M2 on the barrel, and 2 M240s has more anti-infantry dakka. Or how about a fully kitted Merkava 4 with 4 machine guns as well as a 60mm mortar? I don't think the anti-infantry capabilities of the T-14 are anything special.
for anti-infantry look for bmpt
A remote controlled weapon station ontop the turret is far better than all of those things you described above. The Merkava has no RCW so it doesn't have as good anti-infantry protecion in close combat
@@xAlexTobiasxB The CROWS is a remotely operated weapon station on top of the turret. Such a system is hardly unique to the T-14. Leopard 2A7V, Leopard 2 Revolution, Altay, even upgrades of the M-84. An M1A2C has a CROWS, programmable shell, and coax as well, plus an extra M240 and the ability to mount an extra .50. Therefore, even by your metric, it has better anti-infantry firepower than a T-14.
@@jackvony5615 Yes but I said the Merkava does not have one. Neither does the T-90 nor Challenger 2 neither Leclerc nor Ariete or Leopard 2A6/A7..... you get the point. It isn't as common. The Leopard 2A7V and Revolution are just prototype upgrades, not standard versions. They are not even in active service yet.
@@xAlexTobiasxB agree, Syrian tank crew say, if tank has no remote controlled machinegun, de-facto it has no machinegun in city battles.
Fair assessment, keep up the great work and quality content.
K2 is on battle field now but until T14 is under testing !!
what battle?
Where was the battle?
T-14 Armata has a powerful gun alright, but its ability to withstand the kickback from its main gun fire is not quite impressive. T-72BU was more stabilized when it comes to firing its main gun while being stationary than the Armata. Many say that the cause of this problem was the enlargement of the gun, and a smaller dimension turret with a weaker shock-obsorbing suspension. As you can see in the testing clip in the beginning of this video, you can see that the Armata's hall continues to rock back and forth for quite a bit after firing a round down range. Unlike the Black Panther, T-14 Armata's gun stability is something I cannot trust.
주력전차야타간 Yeah thats got to be some of the worst gun handling ive seen in a modern mbt
i understand where you are comming from but one question: why should the gun be stabilized while its beeing reloaded ? xD
아직 양산 도입도 안된 전차와 실전배치 완료된 전차가 비교 대상이 오류아닌가?
흡ㅋ
K2의 주요 상대는 산악지대에 바글바글한 북한의 구식전차와 경보병들이라서 딱히 상관없을꺼여
@@user-jz4dt1xn8u k3는 언제쯤 나와요?
Uhh... what?
Sorry i dont speak worse tank
These K2 tanks are fast low profile tanks like dachshunds with active protection system. Russian and Chinese tank crews will piss their pants facing against K2 tanks. S Korea has test video K2 hit by 120mm gun and able to survive. European version of K2 should be upgraded version of original K2 with more protection.
The slope on the K2 turret is extreme, is it enough to shatter APFSDS though?
You should begin to consider also cost for unit.
@@arunshukla5664 yhea, not counted in the score, but it's an important factor, that depend on many things, but in the end is vital
The things he considers are more the 'hard' top trump stats, it would be impossible to take into account all variables that make a tank good/bad.
Well, i heard there is some bs going on in Russia with inflated prices for new armored vehicles so this might be a problem.
I dont think the better capability of the T-14 would degrade its value all too much considering the T-14 has a highly limited production and will likely remain that way.
Its already starting mass production soon its not that expensive...Its cheaper then most western tanks...It just takes time to build the factories for a new platform...
@@command_unit7792 No, mass production has been canceled because of its high price, and the actual price of the Abrams is unknown is most contracts are not for new production models but actually upgrades.
@@revivedcorpseofrasputin4337 Mass Production Starts next year(Russia already had +20 pre production T14 armata tanks for the parade and field trials and they have finished working on them and the design has mostly been finalized!
16 finalized T14 Armata Tanks will Be produced this year with mass production starting next year the new T14 Armata tanks will have some differences from the current tanks shown on Parade and during field trials!
@@command_unit7792 According to this article. This is not the case thediplomat.com/2018/08/russia-will-not-mass-produce-t-14-armata-main-battle-tank/
SL Creative Mass production began this year and 132 are planned to be made. With more than 200 contracted if Russias GDP goes up.
If the t14 gets added to War Thunder was going to be such an extreme outcry against its 900 mm of Pen
At 12:00 it is protected by ERA. The square thingy are ERAs
thats... not ... ERA ...