Is Leclerc Obsolete?
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- Опубліковано 12 тра 2019
- Today we will be taking a look at French Leclerc tank, that is, the latest variant in service called series XXI and we will see if it is any good in modern era. To know if the tank is obsolete we have to see what is also considered modern and does the tank have the features the other modern tanks do?
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Sources:
btvt.narod.ru/4/leclerc.htm
tanksdb.ru/leclerc/
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oruzhie.info/tanki/59-leklerk - Авто та транспорт
Hits on side tank with 120 mm gun, destroy any modern vehicle. So this is not argumen against Leclerc.
I agree.
Not to mention they can still survive the hit even if it results in a penetration (small chance, but still).
@@getsideways7257 Unless they're unlucky enough to come across DU penatrators
I agree. There was several arguments like these that were used in this video that I find kind of unfair.
If you can't resist a nuke in the 21st century it's outdated for some people
But atleast it can defend against Arjun's APFSDS projectiles
Doubtful if his on the lower plate
lol arjun old apfds shell are a joke it is quite sad for a country as big as India to use such bad ammunition
@Baron Von Grijffenbourg ask the british that when they colonized india lols
Baron Von Grijffenbourg hmm, it seems like India has been spanking Pakistan more.
Baron Von Grijffenbourg they have other modern planes besides the MiG-21.
WT announced this tank and Red made a video about it, fantastic 😄
pure coincidence
i think he gets some of his ideas for videos from WT
I actually started working on this video 2 days before Leclerc was announced for WT, I planned on making this video a month ago :D
@@RedEffectChannel insider confirmed
And now I'm not so convinced that I should research it :/
It's fun to see how the leclerc is so badly known in the english-speaking world.
1st, The Leclerc's armor is equivalent to a leopard 2A5 for the hull (probably 2A4 for the turret), thicker on the sides. The weight difference comes from the smaller engine block and so a smaller hull.
2nd, in terms of firepower, the Leclerc have currently one of the most effective gun. The L55 for example equalizes its velocity while being longer. And it has now the OFLEs which are classified in addition to the NATO ammunitions. Why producing an anti-tank shell when you're not fighting tanks? That's why the F2 is not very produced.
3rd, what about target acquisition? The leclerc will spot and lock on a tank faster than any tank of its era, driving at 70km/h and hitting its target driving itself at 50km/h at 4km range.
4th, the Leclerc has an autonomy and a mobility superior to its main competitors. It can easily handle a 30° slope, in opposition to an Abrams and a Leopard 2, we won't talk about the chally 2, and can drive for more than 800 kms straight with its fuel tanks. In the greek trials, the tank rushed the raid and crossed the finish line longer before the others.
5th, Coaxial .50 Browning.
The main problem with is that the tank is not upgraded regularly and is not equipped with an APS. The French one doesn't even fight so that's why the army doesn't upgrade it.
But as we've seen in Yemen, the tank is far from being obsolete.
Sources :
- Encyclopédie des Chars Modernes, Tome 1
- Wikipedia
- Greek Tank Trials Report
- L'aventure des Chars
- Opex360
Thats all good and well. But its French... Its going to run and surrender two weeks later.
How original and witty you are! :o
@@rolandlee6898 :D
@@Kahzmat Its true tho... Like who do you think France is going to fight? US? China? Russia? Who? No one.. at best it will be used against some illiterate peasants in Africa just so the French can feel like they are still relevant in the world when they really arent.
@@rolandlee6898 Abrams is being used against Peasents in the Middle East lmao.
I have to say I'm quite disapointed about this review. Armor could of course be better but it's a rather small tank and well armored for it's weight, weakspot are of course a problem but in modern engagement distances it's rare for tanks to aim at them rather than aiming "center mass" to actualy hit something. Also engagements being hull down or on the move make it more difficult to "aim for them". It has been made to grind eastern tanks, and it's getting the job done.
Many western tank still have some munition stored in the chassi, even the migthy abrams has a small compartment for this ! But of course you can always chose not to put anything in there.
No word about autoloader ? doesn't bother me, other videos only speak about this.
OFL F2 is good enough for it's job and there is new DU round on it's way.
You're right about the mobility, at least it's difficult to question this, but regarding the range, it outclasses many of it's western competitors. But this only has to work according to your army's doctrine. Abrams is sucking oil, but when your logistic can install a gas station in the desert it's not really important.
Well thanks for taking interest in it's nice machine and her pros and cons ! Wished you just double checked some info and went a bit more in details ! this lovely machine deserves more than 6:47 minutes ;)
But the Abrams have blowoff panels
@The Doge-Emperor of Dogekind blowoff panels do not work as armour but rather as an implementation to increase survivability by decreasing pressure in the tank to save the crew if the ammo rack was hit.
@The Doge-Emperor of Dogekind the blowoff will not be hit in battle
@The Doge-Emperor of Dogekind it is on the roof of the abrams
@The Doge-Emperor of Dogekind if both leclercs and abrams were hit in the ammo, the crew of the abrams will have much better chances. The abrams is an outdated design but the leclerc still have less survivability
please try to inform you better, last variant of Leclerc have active ceramic armor. All the panels are entirely modulable, that mean they are updated with new technologies when they are up, and can be adapted to the enemy. Add to the GEALIC active protection system that can destroy ennemies projectiles or missiles even before it hit the armor.
The hyperbar doesn't consume more fuel than a classic diesel, that's the opposite! the fact you use high pressure oxygen mean that you can create the same power with less fuel. Add to the reduced size given by the autoloader, Leclerc have the best range of all MBT'S today.
Leclerc already use uranium ammunitions
Leclerc showed better results than Abrams against the same type of ammunition in Yemen
this channel is basicly russian propaganda when it comes to tank information tho, this guy who runs the channel actively believes that russians tanks are superior to their richer western parts.
I will not comment on the original post, for I know very little about the leclerc.
I will point out that Red Effect is not “Russian Propaganda”, and does not base his argumentation in belifes. I will recommend watching nato vs ussr tanks in the Cold War video is you want evidence of this. The fact is, that bias is not obvious at all, and just because you disagree about empirical facts with him does not mean either of you are biased. Have a good day.
(Disagree about the interpretation of empirical facts). That’s why physisist have arguments😂👍
@@alexanderrose1556 "richer western"? and you are complaining that this channel is biased?
can you give me a link about the GEALIC active protection system because i can not find anything about it online. Also the Leclerc has an extremly high fuel usage compared to other NATO tanks what you have probably read is the upgrade to the engine which reduced its fuel usage but its still far abouth the leopard 2 (leclerc 1380 liter per 100km, leopard 2 720 liter per 100km). The engine has other problems to like beeing realy
sensitive to enviormently factors but this is
expected as the engine has to produce the same power as other tank enginees with reduces size.
For the gun you have old sources. The army can use better shell but they're jist not needed to the actual fight. We don't have fight between the best tank with best armor, so it's unusual to use high price shell. Old shell are enough to fight old t72 and t54.
You know 2 of the most recent apfsds that the leclerc can use are classified so don t base you on a 1990 projectile ;)
Théo Aubusson if they are classified we dont have any info about them so he used what information he had access to so dont think he has access to the info ;)
@@beastlypear2594 but he didn tell that he have access to better round
Nope. ProciPac was under developement but there is not a single piece of evidence that it has effectively been done. Government frequently communicates about new APFSDS and other shells entering service: for example we know that M829A4 entered service, DM73 will soon etc
below-the-turret-ring.blogspot.com/2016/02/rheinmetall-to-develop-130-mm-gun-and.html
France already understand that Series XXI was good for 2010 but a little bit obselete for 2020 ... So Series XLR is coming for 2019-2020 before the Euro MBT...
2021
Well to be honest the armor being "weaker" than other nation is the result of the French doctrine which privileged precise shoots and good mobility.
No French don't need armor they just surrender
@@marekhlavackovi3677 They have a better war and battle record in war then the US has, and the US's single win - after two weeks fighting - in Granada doesn't count. 😊
Also they need to move their tanks abroad to neocolonial brush war.
Well both Germany france and Italy uset that doctrine during the Cold War and it has nothing to do with the Leclerc why would you fit it with composite armor if you wanted a light tank and remember this was pretty good armor for the time of its creation the real reason why it’s not as strong as other tanks is because it’s out dated
@@GBR9794 actually 38kmh more or less like the abrams
The fastest would be the Japanese type 10 with 70kmh
Also the reverse speed is a VERY important factor for a rank
Yeah, the "bad, but good enough vs oldies" tank just won the "iron spear" NATO firing competition in Latvia.
*wheezes*
FCS is pretty much the only good thing on the Leclerc.
But yeah the tank is inferior to a Abrams or a Leopard 2 in a tank vs tank engagment
@@Theo_Aubusson : Leo 2 were easily destroyed in Syria and Abrams were transformed in junkpile in Yemen. No Leclerc lost by UEA in Yemen. Saudi Arabia felt so disappointed by the poor performances of their Abrams that they contacted Nexter and the French army to try to buy Leclerc tanks. It is no more produced and France is no more interested on selling the 250 or so stored tanks.
Check your facts.
@@BFOP15 Are you serious...
Leopard 2s lost in Syria were 30 years olds Leopard 2A4 with B tech and were very bably used, like firing at a town 4 days in a row from the same position without infantry support.
And the Abrams were export models, so without DU and modern US armor packages and were also badly used like going in towns without infantry support.
And i would like to know your source about Saudi arabia trying to buy Leclerc
@@Theo_Aubusson 1) Leclerc is a ... 30 years tank. Created in the 80's first issued in 1991.
2) Europe doesn't sell downgraded version of weapon system contrary to USA and Russia. A downgraded Leo A4 doesn't exist.
Concerning the interest of Saudi Arabia for the Leclerc :
natopart.com/en/blog/post/22-saudi-arabia-seeks-to-acquire-new-heavy-tanks-and-the-french-leclerc-is-in-the-running
4) Plenty DU armoured american Abrams were destroyed in Irak. Try another excuse for the saudi Abrams failure.
If UAE army is better than the Saudi one it is quite far from any western army standard.
Try something else
@@BFOP15 The Leclerc used by UAE is not 30 years old, Leclerc S1 are not in service anymore...
I haven't say that Turkish 2a4 were downgraded there are just old, because they haven't receive any modernisation like other 2A4 that have receive C tech.
Plenty yeah 9 in the first irak war and 0 by direct enemy fire and in the 2nd one Abrams weren't important in the US army counter insurgency strategy si yes even US army used pretty poorly their Abrams and DU armor, and US ammunition and armor package are very important to enhance te combat capability of a tank
Well, the Leclerc can speed up to 77km/h and it can shoot while speeding at 50km/h which no other modern tank can do. I won't debate if its the best or not, but he is one of the most technical adavanced tanks in the world (it uses alot of electronics for spotting and observation systems)
About the possibilty of a tank replacing the Leclerc, France is a already on a common project to devlop a new tank in cooperation with Germany. The Leclerc is suposed to fully retire in 2040 so we should have more news about this projects in the coming years.
T 90M: huh
@@mrmakhno3030 T90Ms are able to shoot while moving indeed. My comment is rather old.
But from what i saw, T90M and Leclerc remains the same age (30 years) and both have 3 crew members instead of 4. Leclerc seems faster and also a bit heavier (5 tons more) and it was modernized with news versions called ''Leclerc XLR" and are equiped with the ''Scorpion'' system,.wich is an electronical instant communication system, making it far more easier for fighting along smaller vehicules/other tanks. Everything can be discussed but i wouldn't consider Leclerc obsolete at all. German Leopard II and Russian T80 and T72 are closed to obselete imo
Leclerc can sustain much greater mobility according to the French military, even the French Navy just having witnessed it
Right after they announce it for War Thunder. lol
EDIT: Also, first for once somehow.
xSONOHx they actually did?
@@sajedm9156 Yes. Finally, they did.
@@sajedm9156 Yes. warthunder.com/en/news/6177-development-leclerc-s1-la-r%C3%A9publique-s-finest-en
Coincidence....
I think not
@@blazeace1155 Every time someone says or types that I think of the principal's office scene from The Incredibles.
Does it have a tactical baguette cannon on it?
The video is wrong, the leclerc has a french gun longer than the l44 thats why it has more penetration.
Well that depends, do you have a stick up your arse?
I don't understand why you people make so much fun of the French, and their bread!? Of course no one fires bread and pasta at their enemies!
The baguette is for unditching, and only as emergency rations in extreme situations.
Leroy Jenkins no u
@@tungstenwall474 Because french tanks where never superior, they were only really good but nothing more while abrams could already sho how good his gun is and leopard 2 is just the most used modern MBT in first world.
I feel like in these videos all that is discussed is the tank in its rawest form. Rather than how it would be used. I.e the doctrine the French are pursuing and it’s use in combined arms warfare.
Exactly that's the problem with this channel, he only talks about tank vs tank combat like in a video game, rather than actual use in the real world. The UAE have perfectly demonstrated how effective this tank is in real comat, he didn't even bother talking about it
Yes exactly, the raw information about the tank only tells part of the story, and evaluating a tank primarily on it's ability to kill another tank is a rather limited way to analyze - the reality is that tank vs tank combat is a small part of what tanks are expected to deliver on the battlefield.
For example, Soviet era tanks were designed with a completely different strategic and tactical perspective than most western tanks, which decreases the value of head to head comparisons.
i am pilot on leclerc and he have more than 800 mm on front armor and more than 900mm on front turret,side turret have more than 700 mm armor space armor and module for more protection against missile atgm and rocket rpg. for the gun we used just OFl 120 F1 credited to penetrate more than 650 mm of RHA :)i have never used the OFl F2 for information :)
Il aime juste pas les français c' est autre chose
Are you a pilot or person who build and designed it? You may know how to use it, but don’t tell us about it’s armor with you have lack of data on.
bien mieux que dans war thunder...
The real question is are tanks obsolete.
@Anonimous 1277 no
@Anonimous 1277 that's why tanks have machine guns,to shoot down the guy aiming with the rpg
There’s always room for a wheeled/tracked vehicle with a gun. They won’t go away for quite a while
Read reaction after Yemen, you will make an edit of your video after these RETEX.
After the Yemen returnes the Leclerc gain a really good reputation since they prove to be superior to US/DE counterpart...
He was known to be the tank with the best sighting system (all subsystem and gunhandling).
The protection was never known... but with the Yemen now, everything have change.
Ah all those triggered frenchies.
@@Panasiux2 The frenchie can kick off your ass without any problem ;)
dadaisuke-sama hmm why do if feel so much hate in your voice ?
The only reason the US tanks did not do well is because the Saudis are the ones using them.
@@Tagadarealty nah they'd surrender
4:36 that is the EMBT though ... a Leopard 2 hull with Leclerc turret.
absolute heresy
Red was pointing out how the turret sometimes lacks the MG. As the EMBT and the Leclerc shares the same turret, he was right
"Eurotank" project after KMW merged with Nexter to allegedly show off their ability to work together. I believe is it a cheap way to mount the new 130mm rheinmetall gun since the leclerc tank is designed to work with an autoader and the leo hull with leclerc turret is light enough so that it doesnt impact mobility
@@albertoamoruso7711 the turret has a heavy machine fun ! Sometimes even several of them!
@@DeadVador Sometimes it doesn't
A few things that bother me
The armor protection you stated is for the series 1 and the modular armor is to increase protection depending on the mission if required
No MBT are made to whistand any kind of APFSDS from the side stating a universal weakpoint as an argument is a bit redundent
The tank is designed to mostly fight in hull down/defensive position, meaning only the turret is to be visible in a fight
t72B3M t90 m1a2 cahlanger 2 leo 2a6 2a5 2a6 t72B3 can stan even two hita on the sides
@@lukabogdanovic4658 HEAT protection is easely made with sideskirt and ERA
No side armor are made to save one from APFSDS hence why we see more APS being created & mounted
I thought that Leclerc's firing system and autoloader were it's main strenghts, but I think that you didnt even comment on it?
Theres is a replacement for it in the works though, under Franco-German cooperation, the Leopard 3/Main Ground Comat System, for 2035.
The German-French tank is a project that wouldn't be ready before 2030 and after that they have to produce enougth of them.
In my opinion we will see newer Leo. 2 upgrades and Lerclec upgrades even if the French abdone there mbt and use the German one because saudi Arab will need also some upgrades for there Lerclec fleet.
because he is a small minded Russian. He likes to make NATO - tanks look bad and Russian ones better than they are. In most real world fights it comes down to the firing system and the targeting equipment and its not so much about armor since you aim center of mass. But this categories would make the russian tanks look bad compared to the western ones. So he is not metioning it.
Eric_The_Viking the Justin Y. version with an axt I think it’s hilarious that the French will be using German tanks
@@MrNebelschatten he literally mentioned how the FCS needed to be upgraded, so no he didn't ignore it
@@AdotLOM No, the Leclerk's fire control is still up to date, in fact it has better fire control than 90% of tanks in the world. It has a battle management system which is very rare feature in tanks. So no, it does not need upgrade for fire control since it's still up to date. If any tank needs upgraded fire control then it's the Russian T-72 and T-80 series tanks since they still don't even have a independent commanders thermal sight, let alone a Battle Management System
I have so much respect for modern mbts they really are an art. Leclerc, Leopard, Challenger, T-90 , and the Abrams. I will always be invested in knowing more about the capabilities and flaws alike for these tanks in specific.
The Leclerc tank won the Iron Spear competition in Lativa october 2019 against all nato tanks 1st place, best mobility, precision, firepower and maneuvreablity. This youtuber uses old sources and wikipedia as it's source.
@@homelessstudio7960iron spear is mainly based on the crew skills. And the leo has won most of them because they represent the main part of the competitors.
You for forgot the special ammo. APHEBCR round.( Armor Piercing High Explosive Baguette Composite Round )
Well its not obsolete right?
I guess its better than Armata, Russia might add HEATVC ( high explosive anti tank vodka composite ) rounds. Also beware of the Cola nuke rounds that the Americans are producing right now.
@@Anastasia_Romanova1901 Oh yes, the Armata's new HEAT-VC rounds are especially deadly because vodka is a combustible liquid, so after the HEAT charge penetrates the enemy's armor the vodka is injected at high-speed into the enemy tank, and due to the high velocity and heat of the vodka, it rapidly vaporizes and expands into a large gas cloud and then explode into a fireball, 'cooking' the crew of the vehicle, making it a Fuel-Air-Explosive (FAE) *and* its gets any surviving crew drunk!
The Coca-Cola rounds are a counter to the Armata's HEAT-VC, and their U.S. Army designation is the M842 HECC-N (High-Explosive Coca Cola - Nuclear) round. The Coca-Cola inserted into this round is made just like regular soda, except instead of water (H2O), they use heavy water (deuterium oxide, D2O) mixed with Tritium and small pellets of Plutonium-239. This radioactive cola liquid is also mixed with high-fructose corn syrup (a deadly carbohydrate fuel gel), artificial sweetener (aspartame), and caramel-coloring dye.
The D2O/Tritium/Plutonium-239 soda liquid is encapsulated in a small metallic sphere, which is itself encapsulated by a perfect sphere of high-explosive plastique (C4), which has exploding bridge-wire detonators perfectly spaced every few centimeters around the circumference of the HE plastique sphere. Upon impact with enemy tank armor, the initial HE round breaks off outer armor plates and detonates ERA tiles, then the secondary charge (with the D2O/T/Pu-239 cola/plastique sphere) is initiated by a pressure-switch impact fuze and the D2O-cola is crushed so powerfully that nuclear fission occurs, destroying entire tank platoons or even small towns, as the HECC round's explosive yield is around 2 kilotons of TNT.
I heard rumors that if u consumed one HECC round, you would die of obesity
Deadly even to the crew on board
How it can be obsolete? This tank from 1990 year, almost post-soviet era design! (unlike abrams (1980) and leopard ii (1979)). Electronics is outstanding! Also you didnt mention 140mm Leclerc, which is already entered service.
Source about the 140mm entered service ?
The Terminator (140MM Leclerc) is not entered in service.
He was just a prototype for look if the 140mm can fit on the Leclerc with a small upgraded turret in case of necessity.
The original age of a tank is not relevant. The upgrades it receives are. The Challenger 2 entered service in 1998, so by your logic is the most modern and best? No, Challenger 2 is the most obsolete, outclassed and outdated of the four tanks mentioned here, because the UK has barely made any changes to them since the original design from the late 80s, and production in the 90s.
In the same way, the Leclerc being a more recent tank design than Abrams and Leopard 2 is not relevant, as these two tanks have seen much more significant upgrades and field superior systems, guns, ammo, and armour protection. It is fair to say that the Leclerc has fallen into a niche of a "light" MBT, along with the Type 10, in which it may still excel, but it simply cannot compete with the "heavy" MBTs like Abrams and Leopard 2, which outclass it in every way other than mobility (and rate of fire, for the Leopard at least. A good Abrams loader is quicker than the Leclerc's autoloader.)
@@AllThingsCubey yeah, I’d love to see an Abrams going 50kph shooting at an other target 5km away moving at 50kph in an other direction, with a 90% succes rate AND with the loader loading as fast as the Leclerc auto loader...
@@vizender In gunnery trials, Leclerc, Abrams and Leopard 2 have scores so closely matched that it's honestly hard to call, though Leopard 2 has had more substantial changes to its fore fire control since the last time they competed against each other for export.
Abrams loaders can provide 5s reload or even less for short periods. The Leclerc's autoloader comes into its own after sustained fire, or whilst on the move, I agree, but tank combat is won or lost in the first few seconds, generally, and so sustained rate of fire is less important IMO than a superior initial rate of fire.
Leopard 2 is slower than both due to more awkward positioning of the ammo vs the loaders station.
APFSDS baguette (pain rassis)
"lacks protection against APFSDS on sides on the hull" like broo in which world tank have 800mm protection on both sides. It will be 300 ton heavy and moving around 300 ton thing is kinda hard, at least on land
Well, theoretically the Ukrain T-84 Oplot-M can resist APFSDS to the sides, since its hull is covered by three layers of heavy ERA "Duplet" or "Nozh" ("Knife") armor, which can "cut through" and break APFSDS penetrators before reaching the hull armor. But the Oplot-M is a very rare tank, because it's difficult to mass-produce the ERA elements since it's so many elements inside the ERA, it's very hard to produce in large numbers.
@@xAlexTobiasxB Well yes, *but actually no* heavy ERA must be extremely slopped in order to work correctly, otherwise hypersonic APFSDS will simply cut stright through it. Hence why Russia doesn't put god knows how many tons of ERA on the sides of their tanks and it is usually very slopped.
@@eyyze No, first of all, you need to understand that the Ukrainian "Duplet" or "Nozh" armor is not like any other normal ERA, it's actually a very special type of new and unique armor design made of EFP elements (explosive formed penetrator elements) cutting and breaking a APFSDS penetrator into pieces. Seriously you should google it to get an understanding how it works. It is specifically made to cut and break any APFSDS penetraror. And it has 3 layers of this armor on the sides, which is more than enough to defeat any APFSDS penetrator.
@@xAlexTobiasxB umm. K5 was designed to cut and break APFSDS rods as well back in the 80's too. The only difference is that K5 is two-layered but with more explosive mass overall..
Also, please source that it can. IIRC T-84 with DUPLET estimate goes only as far as 700mm vs KE on the front hull, so, yeah. ;)
edit. you sound nationally biased.
@@eyyze K-5 works totally differently, it uses plates that are meant to "crush" or "snap" the APFDSDS penetrator. But the Ukrain Duplet armor uses several tiny EFP (explosively formed penetrator elements) which are made to "cutting" through the APFSDS penetrator (like a knife cutting through it). The T-90 has only one single layer of K5 on the front, but the Oplot-M has 3 layers of Duplet ERA. So even if the first layer doesn't defeat the APFSDS penetrator, then the second or third layer will destroy it
wow i watch a vid from you when it’s new but i love it it doesn’t matter how old it is, it’s Red so it is always good
Please make a video on the SOUTH AFRICAN OLIFANTMK2B TANK . WILL APPRECIATE IT
I second that
It's basically a homebrew Centurion.
Why?
the thing sucks tho. barely has enough armour to protect against tanks from it's own (centurion so the 50's) generation let alone modern mbts. and yes i get it's got a turret that looks like composite, but it's actually just spaced armour. so a thin armour plate on top of the original.
@@systemhalodark it's barely improved as well. the only thing actually better is the rounds it shoots and the engine. the rounds still aren't good enough to penetrate modern tanks tho
you talk about an old version, the lastest version (XLR) is much better, a modernisation of this tank is coming soon (2020-2028)and we have depleted uranium APFSDS that can be pen modern MBT
One word : Frenchbashing (i feel bad for the french people).
Im confused you said the most recent version was called “XXY” i was reading about this tank a couple days ago and the most recent variant i found was the XLR variant.
He didn't even bother to talk about the AZUR add-on armor package, completely usless video.
"21".... not "ex ex why"
This video deserves a nice dislike, it's fullfilled with errors and false informations, i can't sustain his videos because of it, he's an influencer, DO NOT take his words as facts. Take real documents and learn the tank. It's clearly amateur.
Garbage Human him XXY doesn’t mean 21, it should be XXI...
The XLR variant is an upgraded version: passive protection added to the side and slat armor too. And a remotely controlled weapon station. But it wasn't official when the video was uploaded I guess. AZUR kit is no big deal, kind like TUSK I and was used by United Arab Emirates
This Tank is pretty balanced
Actually Leclerc have almost 2 time more range than M1 Abraham (fuel capacity/consomption)
The armor is a choice made back during the amx 30 development. The army knows that if the tank is facing any modern mbt the armor won't matter. So the emphasis was made on mobility (so the weak spots won't matter) and fire on the move (hence the autoloader). Plus if France should fight a war against a major nation it would more than likely be a country like Russia or China at best. So I'd say that the leclerc though not the best is quite a good mbt.
Sergent Saucisse what you are talking is the common Cold War doctrine of European countries like Germany and Italy to make light tanks with great firepower and mobility but this has nothing to do with the leclerc it was made at the end of the Cold War and at that point every major country began using a composite solution instead which emphasized on great armor firepower and mobility which the leclerc did stand for at its creation but now it is beginning to become obsolete
@@sanderchristensen4108 but France more than the rest that's why the leclerc is lighter and quicker than most other tanks. The fire control system is also top notch to allow a good fire on the move capability
@@sergentsaucisse8290 something russian tanks lack. And most tankbattles take part over lots of kilometres, therefore gunners aim at center of mass of targets. Therefore this "nearly obsolete" french tank beats most of the even modern russian or chinese tanks because the russians never were able to get the best fire control systems.
Sergent Saucisse France didn’t emphasize more on this then Germany or Italy all country’s began making composite armored tanks in the 80s the only exception is the C1 ariate which is really poorly armored. But you do know that most western tanks have modern fire controls systems and so do the T90M and T14 the only reason why Russian thanks don’t have that is because most Russian tanks are way outdated. The reason why it’s obsolete is because when you compare it to other modern tanks it doesn’t hold up
@@MrNebelschatten Lack of top fire control doesnt mean bad fire control especially at the ranges that they are needed so the projectiles can penetrate the armour
How much does the Euro MBT improve on the Leclerc and leopard? Could it be a viable replacement for the current Leclerc tanks?
ben Delgado afaik the euro mbt is just a marketing stunt to show cooperation between kmw and nexter - i doubt any european country will buy it as it doesent provide significant improvements (why spend large amounts of money for a system that is pretty comparable to the one you already have? In addition the turret would be an armor downgrade for leopard users)
Actually the EMBT was only made for exports, not to replace the Leclerc. You've got the firepower of the Leclerc and a more rustic Leopard 2A7 chassis with its more commons suspensions, the Leclerc having oleopnematic ones which provides it great stability but is I suppose harder to maintain for smaller armies.
It ables the EMBT to be less expensive and easier to maintain than a Leclerc, but with a little sacrifice on the suspensions.
From what I gather, the EMBT is a test run for french/german cooperative tank. Afterwards, they will go on to make the actualy successor to Leo2 and Leclerc, when everything goes right. That will be a very different beast, likely using Rheinmetalls 130mm cannon, etc.
But that's gonna take 20 more years. So who knows, in case France/Germany have to increase their tank forces again, they might use EMBTs as a stop gap.
@@termitreter6545 I would doubt about the rheinmetal 130mm canon, the 140 by nexter is far better.
Germany wants a new MBT because Leo becomes obsolete. But Leclerc doesn't. It's just a shit political plan.
The new French/German MBT is already in development. Just to clarify you last comment about a new tank. Great video as always!
The scorpion/xlr provides improved armor packages and additional features
Leclerc is BEST tank in The World !!!
Don't forget that it comes with special ammunition pack including 120mm baguette that is capable of making any enemy surrender by Christmas
Very lame joke.
@@leroyjenkins5711 Actually, this one is about the "We'll be home by Christmas" that generals & government told to soldiers during WW1. Not the usual "olulz franch surander" .
@@nounoursvert8448 I'll give you that one haha
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6:53 Very strange: Americans are raising a white flag to surrender. So it is not a French specificity to be surrenders?
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Read what germans wrote:
German general Von Küchler wote:
_Despites our crushing superiority in number and materials, The French counter-attack in many places._
_I don't manage to understand how these soldiers, fighting in many places outnumbered one to twenty, still find the strength to launch any assault. That’s astounding._
_I find again in these French soldiers the same ardour of those of Verdun in 1916._
_We can't penetrate anywhere, and suffer territying casualties._
_Dunkirk was a reverse for us. Almost all of the British Expeditionary Corps ans a part of the First French Army have got away from us because some thousands of brave Frenchmen have blocked our way to the sea._
_Thanks to this great French resistance, the evacuation reached its peak during these dreadful days._
_Dunkirk brings me the evidence that the French soldier is one of the best in the word resisting for ten days to our largely more numerous and powerful forces._
_The French Army probably saved Great Britain from the defeat, allowing their professioal army to reach the English coasts._
General Heinz Guderian wrote:
_Despite enormous tactical errors of the Allied Command, the French soldiers opposed a tough resistance with an extraordinary spirit of sacrifice worthy of the soldiers of Verdun in 1916._
General Heinz Guderian confirmed "Dunkirk was a disaster for germany"
He also said
_It is hard to imagine how Britain could have carried on the war without Dunkirk_ ...indeed half of the German air force had been destroyed.
General Erwin Rommel wrote:
_In May-June 1940, the French soldiers fought with extraordinary skill and obstinacy, and they caused high losses to our troops._
Following this operation (called « Dynamo »), the New York Times publishes: "As long as we speak English, the name of Dunkirk will be uttered with the utmost respect" but does not say a word of the sacrifice of the French.
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Prince Charles of England pointed out that without Dunkirk there would have been no June 6th, 1944.
Winston Churchill wrote : « These Frenchmen, under the gallant leadership of general Molinié, had for four critical days contained no less than seven German divisions which otherwise could have joined in the assaults on the Dunkirk perimeter. This was a splendid contribution to the escape of their more fortunate comrades of the BEF »
John Walter Lord Jr, (US historian) also confirmed that Dunkirk was a significant turning point of WW2. Had Britain been vanquished, Germany would have been able to concentrate all its forces on russia...a real disaster.
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The French infantry, fighting 1 against 5, won the battle of the Alps by stopping the Italian offensive. Fun fact: 9 French soldiers stopped 3000 Italian in Menton (battle of Pont Saint-Louis) during 15 days untill the end of the war.
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People have a very simplified vision of European history. They do not know that all European countries have lost with the exception of Russia and GB who has water to protect them. The Panzers circulate very badly at the bottom of the sea.
GB had also lost in France. Don't you know their army was in France in 1940? Despite this, the Americans believe that only France has lost and that only France was occupied by germans in Europe.
At the begining of WWII, all countries were acting in war like it was 1918 instead of 1939, including the USA. If the Americans had had troops in Europe during the german invasion, they would have lost like all the other European countries, like Great Britain also that had its army in France at this time. The Americans would also surendered, or fled like the British.
The reason of all the defeats was the stupid use of tanks by all the countries (including the USA), with the exception of the Germans. Tanks were used scattered in the infantry regiments instead of being concentrated in regiments that included only tanks. It is easier to arrive a few years later after learning from the mistakes of others.
The German losses of June 1940 reached 5000h / day. Not until Stalingrad for the Wehrmacht suffered such losses. Despite the high German losses, the French losses were just as high, and this was a loosing battle because because the advance of the German forces could not be stopped for a simple reason of better german strategic use of the tanks. If the French had not surendered like all the countries of continental Europe (except the Russians who won thanks to the cold and because they had enough territory to back down before counterattacking), it would have followed a useless butchery for the same result: the defeat of the French in the end, because the French Army was not yet prepared for this new type of war. The Germans were so happy to stop this butchery that they were also suffering, that they negotiated a very advantageous treaty for France. The peace treaty allowed half of France (southern part) and the french colonies of all around the world to remain free, without German occupation. This permitted France resistants to continue the war with success shortly after in North Africa, then to land in Italy and southern France in 1943 and 1944.
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1:22 Strange !!! In 1944 the German forces wanted to separate the 7th US Army and the 1st FR Armies !!! We therefore discover with amazement (irony mode on "ON") that the French participated in the liberation ...
In fact, a large part of France was liberated by the French themselves.
If the Americans were able to land in Europe (Normandy France) in 1944, it is thanks to the French resistants. If the Americans were not thrown into the sea, it's because the SS who were in rest in southern France took 3 weeks to arrive in Normandy France instead of 3 days because of the French resistants.
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Hey a tank vid on my birthday. What a great present.
Yo dude im lovin this kind of analysis and commentaries. Can u do one on the Singapore NGAFV (Next gen armoured fighting vehicle) ? Not a tank but it is something that looks futuristic.
Will check that
that gun mantlet looks huge.
Thats is a med sized mantlet comapared to the old american heavies
because the tank is small ;)
There's nothing behind it unlike the abrams
When you talk about the first and second series of a tank, when their is actually a 3rd one in use an a 4th planned for 2020...
The french naming their MBT "Leclerc" is like us Germans naming our Tank "Aldi Marken Discount".
More like calling it Guderian...
Maréchal Philippe de Hautecloques who took the name of Philippe Leclerc during the WWII to protect his familly.
No relationship with Edouard Leclerc (E.Leclerc)
Clearly not obsolete, because upgraded
Plus arabs use it successfully in Yemen
Wow they used it effectively in Yemen
@@samsonstone764 and are stilling use it 😉
X x i??? Means 21 dude ! Leclerc 21(century)...
ahahaa ikr i laughed
Can you do the japanese type 74 / 90 or 10 ? Would love to see a vid about those!
Funny you should mention the Leclerc MBT. It's about to be introduced in the next patch for War Thunder after the AMX-40. French tank players are hyped about the Leclerc's 120mm autoloader and improved armor.
Continue your good work 👍
Admit it, you made this video because war thunder announced it lol
how to get clicks. 101
Can you make a video on Japanese TYPE-10 tank thanks in advance love your content.
Just been announced for WT, great coincidence!
Like your videos.... Keep up good work.....
Leclerc was never intended to be as heavily armoured as other MBTs. This is a design feature, not an accident. Instead it is much more agile making it harder to hit, and it was one the first tanks to utilise active defense systems against incoming projectiles. Better armour would come at the expense of agility. Like all tanks, what matters most is the crew. If the crew are trained to exploit it's strengths and avoid it's inherent weaknesses then it is a formidable opponent on the battle field.
The Yemen has proved which the Leclerc have a better protection than Abrams and Leo 2A5.
What do you think about TR-85-M1 BIZONUL romanian tank. Is good for a modern warfare?
Not really. It has no real protection against any modern weapon so anything will destroy it.
The 100 mm gun is outdated too, it can only penetrate the weak spots of modern MBTs.
But at least it has good fire control, with modern thermal gun sights, so at least it has good visibility.
But it can be used effectively as a light tank destroyer, hiding in the forest behind trees to ambush enemy tanks.
That's what they did during a exercise in 2014 when they "killed" several M1A2 Abrams tanks from side shots.
Well, at least the TR-85M1 is good enough for a poor country like Romania...
@@xAlexTobiasxB its good for the Balkans
I've seen the m60 as an updated version from Raytheon and other manufacturers and I wonder if that would've been possible with the Leopard 1. Can you make a video on that?
The motor is V8X SACM 8-cylinder diesel engine
1,100 kW[3] (1,500 hp) by Finnish company Wärtsilä
Wow it’s really decent and the fact it is finally less than 60 tons unlike other western tanks is amazing
Wtf ! the town shown on the map screen inside the leclerc is my home
Hey RedEffect, when can we expect a new tank arena episode ?
Well for the weight is actually well armoured, maybe some anti-APFDS reactive armor would take care of the some modern shots.
You tryna say something about not getting the Leclerc in War Thunder Red?
Why so you kids think if he makes a video it has to be connected to war thunder?
Tracer because he might get some inspiration on it?
@@polaskatyu9368 awww no?
Tracer uhhhh maybe? If you can’t see neither heard of doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen.
Cough cough, Challenger 2, 500mm of armour on turret cheeks, big lower plate without composite armour
leclerc shoot shallenger 3 time before it even moove
@@iceman71ice65 Doubt it
@@heycidskyja4668 no i dont
Even british army wanted french or german tank
They made challenger just to keep british industrial
@@iceman71ice65 If only that were the case. EU state aid law prevents government from shoring up domestic industry in that way. After Brexit the UK will be free to buy German and French tanks.
@@heycidskyja4668 german are free to buy german tank and poland are free to buy german tank
So thats not a EU problem
I just cant wait to se you review the Romanian MBT. The TR 805
Leclerc is a great tank And KSA Would like to acquire them instead of M1
"Series XXY".
Oh Lord baby Jesus, the French are using tranny tanks.
Fuck. Made me laugh.
Make a video on the c1 ariete’s upgrade if u can find something
there is one fact that i rly like about the Leclerc, and that is the 12.7mm ciaxial MG.
With i would say a modern battlefield where tank to tank conflicts is more and more uncommon, i would say the lighter weight of this tank is benefissial
You are focusing too much on the APFSDS vs armor part. But the most important aspect in modern tank warfare is situational awareness, because who sees first can shoot first and make the first kill. Having an integrated Battle Management System, gives the Leclerc a superior fighting capability over most other tanks in the world. The only Russian tanks that have this capability are the T90MS and T-14 Armata which are very rare, but 90% of all other Russian tanks do not have this capability.
well, he is russian..
Is your channel obsolete?
Don't cry
The armor of the Leclerc is actually under secret. And no one can actually pretend to know the composition of it. Some have ideas but there is not fact.
So saying that Leclerc's armor is weak is kind of idiot.
I think you don t really take in count all the strategy there is behind this tank. Its first objectiv is to shoot first and then flee, a bit the same as the russians did with the armata(explaining less armor and more speed). It is important because all the tank is based on that, obviously abhrams and leos have also the same objectiv but not on the same level, they are design to resist more. The fight the Leclerc it is built for is quite different from them, it is maybe explaining some of the flaws you're talking about that's why I think it is important to have that in mind.
Do you really have to put bread on the thumbnail?
You shod do a video on The T-72M4 CZ
He probably should.
Can you do top 5 best tank list pls
A video on the Italian ariete would be great
Yes finaly !!
Wait ... Obselete ?
it's not, half of the infos in the video are wrong.
@@Tetemovies4 It's definitely an ill informed French bashing video. The thumbnail alone is 100% Anglotroll material.
@@leroyjenkins5711 I totally agree, couldn't have said it better.
Leroy Jenkins he does that for all videos, and the video is factually correct
RedEffect so basically you're saying that any tank that isn't as powerful as a T-90MS is automatically "outdated"...
Even if the Leclerc isn't as strong as the latest T-90MS, it's still better than most other Russian tanks lol
Yea but most Russian tanks are also really really obsolete
Nico
Tl;dr at the end.
The comparison was likely made because the T-90MS and Leclerc compete on the export market. The Leclerc was offered to the Indian Army for their future tank program (the Abrams and Leopard were disqualified due to their weight) and the Indian army turned it down. That was a few years ago and India is still producing more T-90s’ -seemingly satisfied with the product. Besides, you neglect to mention that while yes, the newest version of the Leclerc is better than the “majority of Russian tanks” (mostly T-72A/Bs and T-80Bs), the French army only operates 406 Leclerc and they aren’t going to make more. In comparison, the Russian Ground Forces operate 550 of the T-90 (400 in reserve, that’s easily enough for a Russian styled tank division of around 320 MBTs), 3,500+ T-80B/BV/U (3,000 of the T-80B/BV are being modernized to T-80BVM standard at Omsktransmash, 120 so far -that’s more than the modernized Leclerc’s) and 1,400 of the T-72B3 as of 2016 (likely many more now). So the Russians have just as many T-90s in reserve as the French have Leclerc in total, they have more modernized T-80BVMs (and T-90Ms for that matter) than the French have modernized Leclerc, that’s not even including the 1,400+ modernized T-72s and yet to be modernized T-80s. And before you say “but the Leclerc is just infinitely better because it can see the Russians from further away” that’s pretty ironic considering that modernized Russian tanks use a licensed version of the Thales (a French company) Catherine thermal imaging system, so if the Russians can’t see -neither can the French.
Tl;dr: The Russian Ground forces operate a fuck ton of good-to-great tanks, and they consistently modernize them, the French operate mostly “good” tanks -some of the newer Leclerc are “great” but they have a fuck ton less of them than the Russians. Don’t get me wrong, I love the Leclerc, it’s a beautiful tank with a bad ass name (Leclerc reminds me of the Lebel from WW1), and I don’t blame you for getting defensive, but don’t stick with the myth that the Russians just make a ton of shitty tanks because the numbers (ironically) state otherwise.
@@WinfieldCherry you should tell dalek that lol. Guy doesn't know how to have a grown up discussion about Abrams's or Russian tanks
Christopher Cleveland In my country our military make fun of US and EU weapon all day. But when our general have to take a helicopter, they always use the UH1 that we taken from the US. My point is if we are civilians we may never know how truly powerful a weapon is. All are just guessing.
@@WinfieldCherry I know that Russia is stronger than France, but that wasn't even the point. We are compring tanks and not army stenght. So you just wasted your time writing that wall of text. Remember this video is about compring tanks and not total military stenght. And if you really wanna talk about army stenght, then it's not only France alone, but it's the Nato with Germany, UK, USA, Poland etc...
Can you please make a video on the italian MBT , the C1 Ariete ? @RedEffect
That baguette in the thumbnail cracked me up
not obselete look in Yemen
Wheir it was barely used...
@@00008HANK They was hitting by a lot of rockets and missiles, only 1 dead, no destroyed tank. Leo 2A5 and Abrams was destroyed by the same hits in the same region
Everyone accord to the Leclerc to have a really good resilience (better than Abrams(dont know the rev) and Leo 2A5), since the Yemen he is pretty salute by every army
@@Tagadarealty a5 wasnt present it was a4
The white flag on the the thumbnail is mean. Greetings from Germany
Lol leave it to the British or Americans to make dumb surrender jokes. Greetings from Elsass.
@@leroyjenkins5711 I don't think so...
Leroy Jenkins I mean it’s based on a historical fact
Give me a majorly belligerent country that never lost a war... None
Now shit on France for loosing a war after one of the most impressive military history mankind has ever seen, in the meantime shitting on the Graves of men who died by the thousands for their country in a situation where they knew death was coming...
I'll never understand the logic but hey
Dont you have some genocide to work on, subhuman nazi butcher? your country will always be the monster who provoked millions death
Hi, what do you know about the new French-German tank program ? And what do you think about the EMBT ? :) Love your channel dude ;)
The EMBT is just a demonstrator of KNDS coworking, nothing really new, just a Leclerc Turret on a Leo II frame.
We know nothing about the MGCS because it's under discussion between the 2 countries (about work sharing, who must be at 50/50, and especially export rules for MGCS AND FCAS (next gen fighter)
Always a pleasure to watch your videos.Thank you !
Your lack of infromation about the Leclerc tank is abysmal, not very professionnal.
Protection of the Leclerc is comparable to other top NATO MBT, with ERA protection against tandem warhead and Titanium insert for better APFSDS protection.
With its smaller size, this make the Leclerc light, yet very well protected.
It has weakspot of course, but like every other MBT.
It's vfire control system is one of the most advance in the world (95% hit probability on the move), couple with an excellent gun (longuer caliber and high pressure), a good autoloader (12 rounds a minutes), good ammunition (depleted uranium APFSDS OFL F2 ammo) and amazing mobility (hyperbar engine have all the advantage of a turbine engine, with the consumption of a reugular power pack).
This make the Leclerc MBT, in the TOP 3 of the Best mbt in the word (and it keep getting upgrads like the XLR pack) + it is combat proven ... and it was much more honorable than the Leo and the Abrams or any T series in this regard ...
plz next time, read something else than wikipedia and some shaddy russian sources
XXI, ex ex why, ...
Just learn roman numerals, for christ sake.
Hey Red, Make a vid about the Olifant Mk1B or 1A or MK2 MBT which ever one it is they most commonly use from South Africa, would like to know how that/those tank/s stacks up to most common MBTs of today.
In my opinion it’s still the 3rd best NATO tank in service after Leo 2 and M1.
A 12 million dollar tank obsolete?
Needs 130mm cannon.
there is a 140mm prototype
www.milinfo.org/-38
Now I'm sure Redeffect is WT player
Why was there a loop near the t90 ? Was it supposed to go around it now I want to see a tank do a loop
Ok, no way you don’t play war thunder
love the Leclerc, its just the most beautiful modern tank out there
sooooo when you doing a proper video on the challenger 2? the tease of the previous one wasn't enough.
I would like to see a video on the South African Olifant mk1B main battle tank
why did you rushed this video just because War Thunder announced this tank for the next patch? A lot of things you said was false or approximate
This, the video is badly informed, it has more range, the gun is the strongest NATO gun on an MBT and the armor was tested against every threat at it's release and was updated with the more recent versions.
It is arguably the best NATO tank maybe after the leo 2A7 and above.
Define obsolete. Any tank is useful depending on the circumstance. Is it the best tank one could use? No, of course not. It is as good as one is likely to get given the budget, probably, if you discount the price to compensate for it's age.
That would be obsolescent though.
Peter Cohen It cost 28 million... 4.5 times the cost of an abrams
@@hazardous458 no that was only the old price of the first batch in the 1990's... in today prices it cost roughly the same as an Abrams or Leopard
@@hazardous458 it costs 1.5 times the price of an Abrams.
Nico k
the video with a big explosion isn"t a leclerc at 2:07 so what is the purpose of it ?
Late to the party here, but...
That lower plate is angled downwards and ballistic trajectories also go downwards, so the projectiles coming that way will hit it at even steeper angles and the penetrators will go downwards, possibly out of the tank. Still, a composite there would be better.