Mr house is the fallout equivalent to our Iron Man so he probably knew but didn’t care cause their goals and objectives didn’t conflict with his. He probably was given a invitation but most likely ignored it and since he ignored them and had no intention leaking any info they probably left him alone in return. Or the enclave knew House was never interested to begin with so they never bothered. You notice that for being one of the oldest non ghoul humans who haven’t went batshit crazy or was cryo-sleep yet he barley mentions anything of the old world or what was wrong with it mr house only speaks and gives information if it’s relevant or important which knowing info like this wouldn’t be important or relevant
i think House was too powerful, cunning and intelligent to be part of the Enclave, and they knew that, he wouldn't be like the other rich benefactors they no doubt had
Also for Number 4, "Individuals are smart, People are dumb" is a good way to explain it, combine with the fact that most likely, all Enclave members are indeed born into it, it'd be practically impossible to be truly all good. Also, wouldn't another misconception be the Enclave survivors as a whole retried extermination, because Eden himself tells you about the FEV, and Autumn wants the purifier to effectively bribe them to accept the Enclave?
Autumn is kinda acting in his own interests but at least his intentions are okay, and plus I think the enclave could distribute water far more efficiently than the bos could
I think one good general misconception would be the idea that all the vaults were filled on the day the bombs fell. For starters nobody knew that that was going to happen that day and some vaults weren’t even finished. More likely they each had designated windows of time during which they would’ve been filled. Obviously 111 opened as the bombs were falling but even then a lot of the occupants and staff were already inside when you got down there.
One idea I had in the past that’d be good for showing this would be an advertisement vault that was supposed to have a filmed opening some time around early November but since the bombs fell in late October you suddenly have a vault with dwindling supplies trying to stop the automatic timer on their door because the radiation sensors say it’s way too dangerous
A perfect way to describe the Enclave isn't them being a continuation of the US government. Rather, they're more of a continuation of the US shadow government. Which is sad, because I'd love to see a legitimate US government continuation faction.
The thing is that the enclave does it with genocides and massacres, the United States in Fallout does not exist, it has not existed in 200 years and will not return, the RNC and other groups are new nations and seeing what the United States was like before the war maybe it was the best
Both not really different from each other. The official US gov is just as bad. The enclave is literally based on them. Real life experiments, war crimes, the lot of it based on the real government
For your first argument, all you need to do is look at the definition of the term "enclave" which means, basically, a small part of a whole. I don't think anyone truly thought it was the entirety of the U.S. government. That would be a near impossibility.
misconception 2 sums up when you use as example Eden and Autumn. Both going behind each others backs. Autumun wanting to establish himself as a leader while Eden wanting to wipe the slate clean like Richardson. To the point where Autumun was left horrified after finding out about said plan.
#4 don't forget Colonel Whitehill in America Rising 2. Instead of making a worldwide FEV gas (That will kill everyone exposed to a little bit of radiation (99.9% Enclave members included) she switches to a FEV grenade that only kills bugs, ghouls, and super mutants. Humans are unaffected by it.
Another example of how the Enclave isn’t the whole remnant of the Pre-War American Government is the fact that, in Fallout 76, when the bombs drop and a bunch of government officials fled to the White Springs Congressional Bunker, all non-Enclave officials, including members of Congress, were executed.
I think the big impact on gamers about the Enclave was seeing the intro movie of Fallout 2 of the Enclave soldiers in Power Armor murduring those Vault Dwellers including kids. We didn't know at first who did it but later in the game we sure found out. Much like NV and Maxons BoS, Institute, and Legion - zero regrets in wiping them out. Only Enclave members I felt empathy for were the retired old folks in NV. If anything the Enclave suffered from Old World Blues after the bombs fell. OWB is a serious mental issue in Fallout. Most who suffer from it go in dangerous directions like the Enclave and Legion. However there are those like Preston's Minutemen who try to direct those feelings in a way that benefits people. What I want to know is what the US Constitution looked like at the time the bombs fell. I can't shake the feeling it was NOT what it looked when the Founding Fathers created it or that way more amendments were added or removed(including what's in the Bill of Rights) after the real life 25th (26th?) amendment was added.
The Legion isn't suffering from Old World Blues- I would say. They are Roman LARPers true, but they couldn't be less like the actual Roman Empire (which resembled America or The NCR more, at least institutionally) The NCR on the other hand is totally doing that. Aradesh and Tandi are both from a Vault, where old world values are taught and maintained to the controlled population. And it's also saying much that their values resemble much of Pre-war american values as well
@Wafflemaker-ur3sm No they are evil because they want to kill innocent raiders and mutants that go round killing everything they should be ashamed of themselves
another example of a good enclave member is a scientist in fallout 2, who after a successful speech check will release the virus onto the enclave, saving you and the captives, sacrificing himself
I think the enclave as a whole was pretty large to start. You have facilities like olney power works, the poseidon energy plant, locations in the Divide, chicago several bases in appalachia, several bases in the capital wastes, several bases in California, the oil rig, bradley hercules and highwater trousers, mentions in fallout 4, and more bases eluded to in the game guide for fallout 3. Plus their involvement in Vault tech and other corporations allowing them other unmentioned bases.
One thing that shows that Autumn and Eden are another example uncoesed the Enclave are. And comparing the objective of the Autumn Enclave on Fallout 3 and the pacific solution of "Trouble In The Home Front", maybe the Enclave will need to mingle with people from outside to keep and grow its numbers.
With the Fallout tv show taking place after the events of New Vegas, and well after 1 and 2, do you think they will retcon them in somehow or sensibly just tell tales about there defeat?
@@Zarlos01Being dead never stopped anyone from voting (ask the Dems) and since most didn't know Eden was a machine, they probably don't know he's dead either. So they must still think he's holding office. Besides, the Enclave could have just uploaded him to another Supercomputer..
He was never elected into office, wasn’t given constitutional human right by the Supreme Court, and because he neither publicly nor successfully banished the presence of Ug-Qualtoth he cannot rule by claiming divine right. *Sudden realization* I want a mod where the “Evil” fallout factions are confronting the background eldritch horrors manipulating the world behind the scenes. Can someone get to work on it ?
With the first one, you can technically include Grafton's computer Mayor as a government official that wasn't part of the Enclave, so technically, he's the true remnantrm of the U.S. government
Would love to see a game where the *new* Bos fights against the Enclave. Now that the BoS is returning to roots the Enclave needs to move more into the direction of what the MMen was like in FO4 (reestablishing order, growing settlements, distribution of the mutants).
villainous?? Not the US Government?? This video is a BoS psi-op just like the entirety of fallout 2. You CANNOT convince me one of the last bastions of mankind in the fallout universe (control station ENCLAVE) was wiped out by a tribal. They would have died to Frank Horrigan at least.
Alright, let's clear some stuff up For your first point: While it is true they weren't the entire government the Enclave was the majority of the Legislative and Executive braches. The top brass of the military aligned with them as well. Remember, one of the key figures of the Appalachian Enclave was Colonel Santiago. I don't see much to contradict that second point aside from one detail. Communications after the Great War broke down badly. They're also based on the US Government's continuity plans devised during the Cold War. As such there are likely Enclave bases in the following regions: Mount Weather WV, Colorado Springs (Air Force Academy and NORAD), Chicago, New York, and parts of Montana (lots of missile silos and a lot of favorable terrain for a faction that relies on Power Armor and Vertibirds). They aren't gone and will continue to come back unless it gets explicitly stated otherwise.
Eh, Santiago was, at best, duped by Eckhart. She is one of the people who initiated a revolt against him. And saying ´most’ isn’t that evident when we’ve only seen a handful of named figures from pre-War. Captain Roger Maxson and Elizabeth Taggerdy were evidently against the Enclave and very well might not have even known of their existence. And as the Enclave have some pretty radical views, at least more radical than the public would accept, I view them as a separate entity to the US Govt. It’d be like saying Dave Grohl is a member of Nirvana. While true at one point, that’s no longer the case.
It's very frustrating that you can never ally with them in F3 (in any meaningful way), that they're absent in F4 and FNV they're hustling a side note which isn't very fleshed out :(
Listening to this I had a sudden realization… I want a mod where the “Evil” fallout factions are confronting the background eldritch horrors manipulating the world behind the scenes. Can someone get to work on it ?
If anyone says the Enclave wasn't the shadow government, they're kinda just objectively wrong. The Enclave was the Shadow Government for a long time until they literally got the previous president out for J-Walking and got a Richardson into the Presidency, at which point they pretty much just became the federal government, if not the entire government.
If there is any part of the new Vegas mod I want to be canon. It’s Dornan surviving fallout 2 and raising a family as loud, cantankerous and awe-inspiring as he was.
So basically the first misconception can be explained as: the enclave is A remnant of the government, not THE remnant, more like if a political party prepared to survive the end of civilization and afterwards attempted to prop themselves up as the legitimate government. Much like the brotherhood is A remnant of the us military rather than THE remnant of the military.
Sure. I suppose that’s one way of putting it. The enclave existed before the Great War and it was made up of government members, but because the Govt and Enclave share two very different values and views, they aren’t the same thing.
Do we know anything about what MODUS intends to do now when it is left all alone at Whitespring? Just continue on with the same insane plan ... or plan something new?
The enclave is not a USA Gov remnant A it’s been 200+ years and their a separate entity from the United States Government the Enclave has ties with and members who were part of the government
The Enclave, its oddity in the pre-war and its own narrative of the past isn’t well represented. Few even knew there was a Fascist Ultranationalist movement in America’s ruling class, considering their need to be discreet and their goal wasn’t just their own survival but America’s death seeing no other way to rise and destroy their enemies in one fell swoop. The disjointed leadership is apparent but also not well represented. They’re all generally raised as fascists and may reject the organization’s goals but they’re all random flavors of belligerent fascist and anti-establishment (anti-Republican). Arcade is very very pink for his upbringing solely motivated by the fact he’s a homosexual. It’s weird that the Chinese were good enough at espionage that they knew about the Enclave when most people had zero clue and *every* relevant enclave facility and poseidonet and how to take it out but it’s weirder still that the Enclave survived the Great War. The Chinese were at least known to have infiltrated the civilian government and maybe bribed Enclave fellow travelers who themselves would want to sabotage US defenses and rival sections of the government; I can *only* excuse the Enclave’s survival as an organization with an identity with the information that they *maybe* more than once filtered out or bought out non-members when possible and executed them upon processing at any given facility and *potentially* the technology and resources making up those facilities allowed the renovations into the bases we see. The Brotherhood does this too but many pre-war federal installations even ones the brotherhood occupies are depicted as raw, primitive (doors are mechanical) and minimalist (cafeteria chairs like wtf) comparable to US facilities in the mid 20th century. I guess if they were actually meant that old they’d all have to start this way (again we’re not told this in any way) but what if they or American society is misrepresented through retrofuturism as being that primitive when they were just broke but the federal government also tended to have super advanced computers and machinery setting parts the enclave reached into from the normal military. I personally couldn’t suspend my disbelief if they somehow managed to not just remodel but advance rapidly within these facilities. They do seem to have limited capacity to procure what they need for projects like power armor, aircraft and robotics none of which seemed to *fundamentally* change in 200 years much less 140. It’s all limited supply bulky prototypes with Tesla coils.
That's exactly what the enclave are. Plus I think alot of fans forget that the usa and China were both ultra national countries that no longer represent what their founders intended. The enclave is made up of wealthy government individuals. They had tons of companies in their pocket.
The original lore was hazy about it, but the devs said quietly that the war happened when the Chinese found out the extent of the fev soldiers. Places containing fev were directly bombed. It took them a really long time to be able to make better power armour alone. I think the enclave would be the most clinically depressed and alcoholic faction unless its members are necessarily brainwashed for the greater good, their survival. we see in the show an entire research wing to do with dogs, dr Henry had the same job in F2. we have never heard anything about about the enclave using dogs, ever in their history. I think colonel Autumn was the last patriotic push the enclave had left, all they are now are secretive researches finding out everything about the wasteland, technology, science etc.
@ I think the FEV thing was bs. China would’ve known about it like they did with everything else. In this take on it, the enclave simply disrupted negotiations and sabotaged national security until the Chinese decided it was time to go nuclear.
People who support the Enclave sometimes confuse me like, no, the Enclave claim want to rebuild America, but rebuild in their own ideal image, IE, "for me, not for thee", plus 76 has a tid bit where Government members were ordered to retreat to an emergency shelter, however, non enclave members were executed at the entrance, secondly. And before anyone say "Oh Fallout 76 is non cannon", nope, you say 76 is non cannon because its not single player, but fallout 76 is better mechanically and gameplay than 4, plus you do not get to decide whether whats cannon or not.
@N_orte , I don't put that under doubt. Furthermore, your voice is great. I meant the text sounds artificial and a little generic. You did a big work composing the video and it's totally respectable, just it didn't sound personal.
They cannot be entire US Government, of course, but they represent executive power, military forces, scientist corps and business. Military forces on Oil rig were represented by elite forces of airborne division of US Army. It's clear that USA cannot save lifes all citizens, but the most powerfull and informed persons could be more helpfull for restoring of America. In fact, even in real USA or another government not all politics or military staff represent 100% of citizens. That's why "Enclave" have real reasons to be legal power in Wastelands even without support of survivor citizens. If we talk about another government department, for example, department of agriculture, then we must take into account that in modern realities of Fallout this is not a much-needed public authority. And that's why Enclave can be real Government of USA, even they are not remnants of all departments.
The problem is that this is not the case, no claim to the enclave is valid anymore because it is not a successor state and they have not claimed the territory nor have power over it. That, along with the fact that they want to kill the people of the wasteland, takes away their legitimacy, the United States in the consequences is over, it is a memory and seeing how it was in the end, a fascist state was perhaps the best.
They took away legitimacy when they purposely subverted the continuity of government, as it's clear that Congress was to evacuate to the Whitesprings but was commandeered by the Enclave. I'd say a Mr. Gutsy has more legitimacy than the Enclave
Also in F2 lore didn’t the president order many us navy vessels to be stationed at the rig?. if the enclave controlled/ had access to let’s say, a couple percent of the American government, army etc they would be much larger than we have seen.
I really wish we could join the Enclave in a future Fallout game. It could be just a fragmented remnant group, but it would still be nice. God Bless the Enclave! God Bless America!
First 4 minutes was an absolute waste of time…to think the entirety of the US govt currently isn’t exactly what you described vault tech and the enclave to be…
The biggest mistake of the Enclave is their belief that superior technology and air superiority would always win them the day. A mistake the brotherhood of steel would eventually make in the commonwealth. Unfortunately, for as much as we like to think this is true it isn't. The British lost the battle of isandlwana because of it, the Enclave lost America, the NCR lost the Mojave and the brotherhood lost the commonwealth. Wars are won through strategic objectives and hearts and minds. That's how Lyons won the capital, the courier/house won Vegas and the minutemen won the commonwealth.
The biggest misconception is that the Enclave are bad guys Fallout 2 was so well written that it made everyone think that the Enclave are bad people when they were actually good, incredible game Edit: I am so sorry for making you all read the original comment, I have no idea how I wrote that
Dude they only revisited the enclave like 2 times I for one hope they don’t make new stupid factions like the institute because they are really dumb factions they don’t even wear power armor 😡🖕
My biggest question is did Mr. House ever get invited to the Enclave? Did he ever know about them and learn what they were doing?
He probably anticipated their existence or something like them and made plans for if they ever made contact
Maybe House wasnt shiesty enough to get invited in? Hard to believe that. I don't think he ever even mentions them in NV.
Mr house is the fallout equivalent to our Iron Man so he probably knew but didn’t care cause their goals and objectives didn’t conflict with his. He probably was given a invitation but most likely ignored it and since he ignored them and had no intention leaking any info they probably left him alone in return. Or the enclave knew House was never interested to begin with so they never bothered. You notice that for being one of the oldest non ghoul humans who haven’t went batshit crazy or was cryo-sleep yet he barley mentions anything of the old world or what was wrong with it mr house only speaks and gives information if it’s relevant or important which knowing info like this wouldn’t be important or relevant
@@allenaju1856 I guess it makes sense, he only sought to protect Vegas. The Enclave probably just let him be.
i think House was too powerful, cunning and intelligent to be part of the Enclave, and they knew that, he wouldn't be like the other rich benefactors they no doubt had
Also for Number 4, "Individuals are smart, People are dumb" is a good way to explain it, combine with the fact that most likely, all Enclave members are indeed born into it, it'd be practically impossible to be truly all good.
Also, wouldn't another misconception be the Enclave survivors as a whole retried extermination, because Eden himself tells you about the FEV, and Autumn wants the purifier to effectively bribe them to accept the Enclave?
Eden and Autumn are another example that they aren't united as most people think.
Autumn is kinda acting in his own interests but at least his intentions are okay, and plus I think the enclave could distribute water far more efficiently than the bos could
I think one good general misconception would be the idea that all the vaults were filled on the day the bombs fell. For starters nobody knew that that was going to happen that day and some vaults weren’t even finished. More likely they each had designated windows of time during which they would’ve been filled. Obviously 111 opened as the bombs were falling but even then a lot of the occupants and staff were already inside when you got down there.
One idea I had in the past that’d be good for showing this would be an advertisement vault that was supposed to have a filmed opening some time around early November but since the bombs fell in late October you suddenly have a vault with dwindling supplies trying to stop the automatic timer on their door because the radiation sensors say it’s way too dangerous
the great war itself wasn't instant, there was plenty of time for the vaults to fill on the 23rd, but if you're right a lot were opened before
Vault 87 and 4 closed a year before the war. The enclave base in the show has a 2076 marking on one of its doors.
Doc Henry and Daisy are also good examples of not all of them were bad guys
A perfect way to describe the Enclave isn't them being a continuation of the US government. Rather, they're more of a continuation of the US shadow government. Which is sad, because I'd love to see a legitimate US government continuation faction.
The thing is that the enclave does it with genocides and massacres, the United States in Fallout does not exist, it has not existed in 200 years and will not return, the RNC and other groups are new nations and seeing what the United States was like before the war maybe it was the best
Both not really different from each other. The official US gov is just as bad. The enclave is literally based on them.
Real life experiments, war crimes, the lot
of it based on the real government
During Pre-war era, Enclave was the shadow government. Closest thing IRL that would be Enclave are the so-called Illuminati.
The Enclave is more of a representation of freemasons than the actual US Government
@@carlosdavidsabogalmotta4327 NCR*
For your first argument, all you need to do is look at the definition of the term "enclave" which means, basically, a small part of a whole. I don't think anyone truly thought it was the entirety of the U.S. government. That would be a near impossibility.
most likely deep state
misconception 2 sums up when you use as example Eden and Autumn. Both going behind each others backs.
Autumun wanting to establish himself as a leader while Eden wanting to wipe the slate clean like Richardson. To the point where Autumun was left horrified after finding out about said plan.
#4 don't forget Colonel Whitehill in America Rising 2. Instead of making a worldwide FEV gas (That will kill everyone exposed to a little bit of radiation (99.9% Enclave members included) she switches to a FEV grenade that only kills bugs, ghouls, and super mutants. Humans are unaffected by it.
Wasn’t expecting someone to mention AR2, but I’m happy nonethelesd
Agreed, but the mod isn't canon
Another example of how the Enclave isn’t the whole remnant of the Pre-War American Government is the fact that, in Fallout 76, when the bombs drop and a bunch of government officials fled to the White Springs Congressional Bunker, all non-Enclave officials, including members of Congress, were executed.
76 is not canon
@@deathdog1392 76 is canon, just not your character.
@@dominator1914 Fallout 76 is not cannon, its a cash grab. 76's story doesn't line up with the rest of the series.
@@sweetmcnasty I don't know if you have the authority to decannonize things
@@sweetmcnasty oh boo hoo. I don’t like 76 so it’s not cannon. Grow the fuck up man.
I think the big impact on gamers about the Enclave was seeing the intro movie of Fallout 2 of the Enclave soldiers in Power Armor murduring those Vault Dwellers including kids. We didn't know at first who did it but later in the game we sure found out. Much like NV and Maxons BoS, Institute, and Legion - zero regrets in wiping them out. Only Enclave members I felt empathy for were the retired old folks in NV.
If anything the Enclave suffered from Old World Blues after the bombs fell. OWB is a serious mental issue in Fallout. Most who suffer from it go in dangerous directions like the Enclave and Legion. However there are those like Preston's Minutemen who try to direct those feelings in a way that benefits people.
What I want to know is what the US Constitution looked like at the time the bombs fell. I can't shake the feeling it was NOT what it looked when the Founding Fathers created it or that way more amendments were added or removed(including what's in the Bill of Rights) after the real life 25th (26th?) amendment was added.
The Legion isn't suffering from Old World Blues- I would say. They are Roman LARPers true, but they couldn't be less like the actual Roman Empire (which resembled America or The NCR more, at least institutionally)
The NCR on the other hand is totally doing that. Aradesh and Tandi are both from a Vault, where old world values are taught and maintained to the controlled population. And it's also saying much that their values resemble much of Pre-war american values as well
so what rebuilding America is just bad? That’s the enclaves goal just their leaders mess it up with other goals
@Wafflemaker-ur3sm No they are evil because they want to kill innocent raiders and mutants that go round killing everything they should be ashamed of themselves
Ew, a railroader supporter, Yikes.
Imagine having zero regrets in wiping out Maxson's Brotherhood, which brings clean drinking water to the Commonwealth and protects it from threats.
another example of a good enclave member is a scientist in fallout 2, who after a successful speech check will release the virus onto the enclave, saving you and the captives, sacrificing himself
Bro just broke my entire existence with the first one
One thing we don’t know is if colonel Autumn survived I personally like to think he did but we will never know until Bethesda makes a decision
Whitley has to be my favourite Enclave member.
Besides ED-E themselves of course.
I think the enclave as a whole was pretty large to start. You have facilities like olney power works, the poseidon energy plant, locations in the Divide, chicago several bases in appalachia, several bases in the capital wastes, several bases in California, the oil rig, bradley hercules and highwater trousers, mentions in fallout 4, and more bases eluded to in the game guide for fallout 3. Plus their involvement in Vault tech and other corporations allowing them other unmentioned bases.
12:26 Also there is surviving Enclave in FO4 - one of them in far harbor. Now serving Atom.
“Yo dude you should like totally join the enclave”
14:58 a nice Isaac Asimov reference
I like colonel autumn’s idea of the enclave
Im surprised the enclave didnt try recruiting the sole survivor. Hes got military training and is untouched by the wastelands genetically.
I think there's a mod/fan expansion that explores just that. America Rising 2 I think
Plot armour
That’s what I thought, it’s why the Enclave creation club additions are so disappointing to me from a lore standpoint.
One thing that shows that Autumn and Eden are another example uncoesed the Enclave are.
And comparing the objective of the Autumn Enclave on Fallout 3 and the pacific solution of "Trouble In The Home Front", maybe the Enclave will need to mingle with people from outside to keep and grow its numbers.
And we don’t know if Autumn survived fallout 3 or not
Hopefully we can meet the Enclave again in F76's upcoming expansion to Shenandoah.
With the Fallout tv show taking place after the events of New Vegas, and well after 1 and 2, do you think they will retcon them in somehow or sensibly just tell tales about there defeat?
why the need to retcon? there are government bunkers in that area that they could come form
It’s after fo4
The Enclave Never Dies
And Is United
I still only recognize John-Henry Eden as the CURRENT President of the U.S.A. ... Change my mind!...
President Dick Richardson is the true President of the United States. Commie!
He is dead, as far I know dead "things" can't hold office.
@@Zarlos01Being dead never stopped anyone from voting (ask the Dems) and since most didn't know Eden was a machine, they probably don't know he's dead either. So they must still think he's holding office. Besides, the Enclave could have just uploaded him to another Supercomputer..
He was never elected into office, wasn’t given constitutional human right by the Supreme Court, and because he neither publicly nor successfully banished the presence of Ug-Qualtoth he cannot rule by claiming divine right.
*Sudden realization*
I want a mod where the “Evil” fallout factions are confronting the background eldritch horrors manipulating the world behind the scenes. Can someone get to work on it ?
We are the good guys!
Great upload N_orte
“I think you guys are really cool so don’t open the vault to the all clear signal tomorrow.”
Most common misconception about N_orte is that people think he is not a giga chad
Nah nobody believes that, we know he is!
With the first one, you can technically include Grafton's computer Mayor as a government official that wasn't part of the Enclave, so technically, he's the true remnantrm of the U.S. government
I sometimes wanna hug Cannibal Johnson as if he's my granpa
Would love to see a game where the *new* Bos fights against the Enclave. Now that the BoS is returning to roots the Enclave needs to move more into the direction of what the MMen was like in FO4 (reestablishing order, growing settlements, distribution of the mutants).
villainous?? Not the US Government?? This video is a BoS psi-op just like the entirety of fallout 2.
You CANNOT convince me one of the last bastions of mankind in the fallout universe (control station ENCLAVE) was wiped out by a tribal. They would have died to Frank Horrigan at least.
Alright, let's clear some stuff up
For your first point: While it is true they weren't the entire government the Enclave was the majority of the Legislative and Executive braches. The top brass of the military aligned with them as well. Remember, one of the key figures of the Appalachian Enclave was Colonel Santiago. I don't see much to contradict that second point aside from one detail. Communications after the Great War broke down badly. They're also based on the US Government's continuity plans devised during the Cold War. As such there are likely Enclave bases in the following regions: Mount Weather WV, Colorado Springs (Air Force Academy and NORAD), Chicago, New York, and parts of Montana (lots of missile silos and a lot of favorable terrain for a faction that relies on Power Armor and Vertibirds). They aren't gone and will continue to come back unless it gets explicitly stated otherwise.
Eh, Santiago was, at best, duped by Eckhart. She is one of the people who initiated a revolt against him. And saying ´most’ isn’t that evident when we’ve only seen a handful of named figures from pre-War. Captain Roger Maxson and Elizabeth Taggerdy were evidently against the Enclave and very well might not have even known of their existence. And as the Enclave have some pretty radical views, at least more radical than the public would accept, I view them as a separate entity to the US Govt. It’d be like saying Dave Grohl is a member of Nirvana. While true at one point, that’s no longer the case.
You have gotten a lot farther then you should have
I just want them as a joinable faction without mods😢
Me too, i hope we can in the future
You can join the enclave in fallout 76.
@@NoiFoxAh yes, it feels so good to join an empty faction...
@@Ananonymousguy-nk9ojyes
Technically you can join them in Fallout 76.
It's very frustrating that you can never ally with them in F3 (in any meaningful way), that they're absent in F4 and FNV they're hustling a side note which isn't very fleshed out :(
I want an Xbox Enclave mod for Fallout 3 that lets Autumn become president and lets you join the Enclave
Listening to this I had a sudden realization…
I want a mod where the “Evil” fallout factions are confronting the background eldritch horrors manipulating the world behind the scenes. Can someone get to work on it ?
If anyone says the Enclave wasn't the shadow government, they're kinda just objectively wrong. The Enclave was the Shadow Government for a long time until they literally got the previous president out for J-Walking and got a Richardson into the Presidency, at which point they pretty much just became the federal government, if not the entire government.
Long live Arch Dornan!
If there is any part of the new Vegas mod I want to be canon. It’s Dornan surviving fallout 2 and raising a family as loud, cantankerous and awe-inspiring as he was.
This man Has Never Heard Of Fallout 1 and Two
So basically the first misconception can be explained as: the enclave is A remnant of the government, not THE remnant, more like if a political party prepared to survive the end of civilization and afterwards attempted to prop themselves up as the legitimate government.
Much like the brotherhood is A remnant of the us military rather than THE remnant of the military.
Sure. I suppose that’s one way of putting it. The enclave existed before the Great War and it was made up of government members, but because the Govt and Enclave share two very different values and views, they aren’t the same thing.
The aesthetic of the Enclave is extremely giga chad. Sucks they tend to be generally immoral.
Mutation and degeneracy is moral then?
Do we know anything about what MODUS intends to do now when it is left all alone at Whitespring?
Just continue on with the same insane plan ... or plan something new?
A great piece of content 👍🏻
First dawgggggg cmon enclave *doooooo doooooooo dweeeeee* *trumpet noises*
The enclave is not a USA Gov remnant A it’s been 200+ years and their a separate entity from the United States Government the Enclave has ties with and members who were part of the government
Introduction.
But,is it based ONLY on usual games?
Or,on the "America rising" mod ,as well??
God bless the Enclave. And no one else.
The Enclave, its oddity in the pre-war and its own narrative of the past isn’t well represented. Few even knew there was a Fascist Ultranationalist movement in America’s ruling class, considering their need to be discreet and their goal wasn’t just their own survival but America’s death seeing no other way to rise and destroy their enemies in one fell swoop. The disjointed leadership is apparent but also not well represented. They’re all generally raised as fascists and may reject the organization’s goals but they’re all random flavors of belligerent fascist and anti-establishment (anti-Republican). Arcade is very very pink for his upbringing solely motivated by the fact he’s a homosexual. It’s weird that the Chinese were good enough at espionage that they knew about the Enclave when most people had zero clue and *every* relevant enclave facility and poseidonet and how to take it out but it’s weirder still that the Enclave survived the Great War. The Chinese were at least known to have infiltrated the civilian government and maybe bribed Enclave fellow travelers who themselves would want to sabotage US defenses and rival sections of the government; I can *only* excuse the Enclave’s survival as an organization with an identity with the information that they *maybe* more than once filtered out or bought out non-members when possible and executed them upon processing at any given facility and *potentially* the technology and resources making up those facilities allowed the renovations into the bases we see. The Brotherhood does this too but many pre-war federal installations even ones the brotherhood occupies are depicted as raw, primitive (doors are mechanical) and minimalist (cafeteria chairs like wtf) comparable to US facilities in the mid 20th century. I guess if they were actually meant that old they’d all have to start this way (again we’re not told this in any way) but what if they or American society is misrepresented through retrofuturism as being that primitive when they were just broke but the federal government also tended to have super advanced computers and machinery setting parts the enclave reached into from the normal military. I personally couldn’t suspend my disbelief if they somehow managed to not just remodel but advance rapidly within these facilities. They do seem to have limited capacity to procure what they need for projects like power armor, aircraft and robotics none of which seemed to *fundamentally* change in 200 years much less 140. It’s all limited supply bulky prototypes with Tesla coils.
That's exactly what the enclave are. Plus I think alot of fans forget that the usa and China were both ultra national countries that no longer represent what their founders intended. The enclave is made up of wealthy government individuals. They had tons of companies in their pocket.
The original lore was hazy about it, but the devs said quietly that the war happened when the Chinese found out the extent of the fev soldiers. Places containing fev were directly bombed.
It took them a really long time to be able to make better power armour alone. I think the enclave would be the most clinically depressed and alcoholic faction unless its members are necessarily brainwashed for the greater good, their survival. we see in the show an entire research wing to do with dogs, dr Henry had the same job in F2. we have never heard anything about about the enclave using dogs, ever in their history. I think colonel Autumn was the last patriotic push the enclave had left, all they are now are secretive researches finding out everything about the wasteland, technology, science etc.
@ I think the FEV thing was bs. China would’ve known about it like they did with everything else. In this take on it, the enclave simply disrupted negotiations and sabotaged national security until the Chinese decided it was time to go nuclear.
God Bless the Enclave, God Bless America!!!
Yep god bless enclave and American and no one else
Constructive critism, try not to repeat yourself so much. Point 1 in particular had entire sentances repeated over and over.
Good video overall!
i love the enclave.
People who support the Enclave sometimes confuse me like, no, the Enclave claim want to rebuild America, but rebuild in their own ideal image, IE, "for me, not for thee", plus 76 has a tid bit where Government members were ordered to retreat to an emergency shelter, however, non enclave members were executed at the entrance, secondly.
And before anyone say "Oh Fallout 76 is non cannon", nope, you say 76 is non cannon because its not single player, but fallout 76 is better mechanically and gameplay than 4, plus you do not get to decide whether whats cannon or not.
But is the enclave a pre war thing or a pre pre war thing
Shut up hope
Will you comply?
I think you have possibly a naive idea of good and evil like black and white thinking.
God Bless America God Bless The Enclave!
I think the new responders are the enclave in fallout 76 since modus runs it
Why does he say Appalachia like that?
A rose by any other name would sound just as sweet
It sounds like ChatGPT text voiced.
It’s my voice :(
@N_orte , I don't put that under doubt. Furthermore, your voice is great. I meant the text sounds artificial and a little generic. You did a big work composing the video and it's totally respectable, just it didn't sound personal.
They cannot be entire US Government, of course, but they represent executive power, military forces, scientist corps and business. Military forces on Oil rig were represented by elite forces of airborne division of US Army. It's clear that USA cannot save lifes all citizens, but the most powerfull and informed persons could be more helpfull for restoring of America.
In fact, even in real USA or another government not all politics or military staff represent 100% of citizens. That's why "Enclave" have real reasons to be legal power in Wastelands even without support of survivor citizens. If we talk about another government department, for example, department of agriculture, then we must take into account that in modern realities of Fallout this is not a much-needed public authority. And that's why Enclave can be real Government of USA, even they are not remnants of all departments.
The problem is that this is not the case, no claim to the enclave is valid anymore because it is not a successor state and they have not claimed the territory nor have power over it. That, along with the fact that they want to kill the people of the wasteland, takes away their legitimacy, the United States in the consequences is over, it is a memory and seeing how it was in the end, a fascist state was perhaps the best.
They took away legitimacy when they purposely subverted the continuity of government, as it's clear that Congress was to evacuate to the Whitesprings but was commandeered by the Enclave. I'd say a Mr. Gutsy has more legitimacy than the Enclave
Also in F2 lore didn’t the president order many us navy vessels to be stationed at the rig?. if the enclave controlled/ had access to let’s say, a couple percent of the American government, army etc they would be much larger than we have seen.
God bless the Enclave and God bless America!🇺🇸🇺🇸
Wouldn’t the Enclave members start Inbreeding at some point?
Is this before the FO4 next gen update? I’m not sure when it released. Is that even canon 😂😂😂
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STOP SPREADING MUTANT PROPAGANDA!
I really wish we could join the Enclave in a future Fallout game. It could be just a fragmented remnant group, but it would still be nice.
God Bless the Enclave! God Bless America!
Sneedclave
I don't believe in the enclave
Wt geck
YWNBAW
Commie Scum
First 4 minutes was an absolute waste of time…to think the entirety of the US govt currently isn’t exactly what you described vault tech and the enclave to be…
The biggest mistake of the Enclave is their belief that superior technology and air superiority would always win them the day. A mistake the brotherhood of steel would eventually make in the commonwealth.
Unfortunately, for as much as we like to think this is true it isn't.
The British lost the battle of isandlwana because of it, the Enclave lost America, the NCR lost the Mojave and the brotherhood lost the commonwealth.
Wars are won through strategic objectives and hearts and minds. That's how Lyons won the capital, the courier/house won Vegas and the minutemen won the commonwealth.
the fallout tv show canonized that the brotherhood won the commonwealth
onclave ？
Nice try, Fed. I’m still not supporting the remnants of the Government.
merikan goverment and heathcare....laughing in west european socal democraty
Nah, the Enclave is the remnants of the US government. Just as they were meant to be in Fallout 2. Don't speak that BS dude
God bless the Enclave!
The enclave is the legitimate us government at least its top leaders
onvelope？😂
The biggest misconception is that the Enclave are bad guys
Fallout 2 was so well written that it made everyone think that the Enclave are bad people when they were actually good, incredible game
Edit: I am so sorry for making you all read the original comment, I have no idea how I wrote that
What are you trying to say?
I had a stroke while reading that
@@apelle4679 no you didn't
The Enclave got it right. Some hard decisions need to be made and the wasteland is no place for the weak.
based
TBF to the Fallout Bible, that's technically not canon
Sounds like a bunch misfits with tech to me.
I don’t know why, but I feel like people who say the Enclave is their favourite faction, spread the most misinformation.
Sorry but just you don't understand how the government works
Like this comment if you're also watching this at 2:57 am while taking a shit at work because you work night shifts
I hope they dont revisit the enclave. I much prefer having new factions. Revisiting the same old factions gets boring.
Dude they only revisited the enclave like 2 times I for one hope they don’t make new stupid factions like the institute because they are really dumb factions they don’t even wear power armor 😡🖕