+Tyler Fay i was raised chrisitian, then i had my first encounter with atheism just a few years ago. This had me being skeptical and i was on the verge of not believing and not caring for any of that stuff. Even before the encounter, i would always think and think about God and Jesus and if they were even real. I always, ALWAYS got that sinking, sick feeling in my stomach that wouldn't go away. I HATED it. I was afraid out of my mind. Since this year on my 16th birthday, i completely believe that Jesus is real. And not once have i gotten that feeling again. i feel like my faith is absolutely solidified. like i'm a born-again christian
I was born an Atheist, brought up a Catholic, became a Buddhist, then returned to my true condition of not knowing (Atheism). Lately I've been investigating militant Xenuism.
@@jokerxxx354 Using psychological buzzwords doesn't mean a thing. I am a Programmer and systems maintainer. Just because I call someone as slow as a Pentium doesn't make it so. Are you one of those guys who basically repeats phrases like "believing in God is like believing in the Tooth Fairy!", or "Some of us just go one god further."?
Atheist turned Christian. Good for you Alistar, you're on the right path. Got saved half a year ago myself. I really found God. There's no doubt he is real.
The Reasonable Christian Awesome to hear!! Youre already on the right path. Trust in Him and you will never be steered wrong! If you and Jesus were the last 2 on earth He would die for you. Jesus Loves Us All!
+The Reasonable Christian Gob bless you! Lord Jesus the Christ came into my life and saves me 2 and a half years ago. Praise to God. He's alive no doubt!
+Toka Arbnore What is this rubbish you are spouting? Jesus is God. Jesus died and rose for us. I'm praying you aren't misguided by some other belief structure (Islam).
+The Reasonable Christian - Thanks for putting that out here. It's good to know that there are Atheists that are in search of the truth and who find Jesus. It only takes one small step.
McGrath is a typical example of an otherwise intelligent man confusing "I beleive because I like the idea" with "I beleive because I see evidence it's true." It is actually a dangerous thing to get those wrong. Error will invariably result, as it does every day, where religion, politics and health are concerned. We call agree there IS an objective reality. There is no justification for presenting a claim you LIKE as if it were an objective fact. And this is the core of religion.
How do you know that uttering an incantation to summon a magical spirit to play with atheist's minds so they believe something you cannot prove is true is going to actually work? Also, why should anyone come to Jesus, when there is no evidence showing he still exists, and he is a child-murdering genocidal freak who plans on brutally torturing the overwhelming majority of mankind forever without end, according to the Bible.?
@@doctorwebman You're out of your damn mind. Jesus Christ is more real and alive than you will ever know. Can't wait to see the look on your face when your veils are lifted and the truth is know.
@@quantumleap4023 No, you are out of your mind, if you think a child-murdering supernatural spirit that intends to brutally torture the overwhelming majority of the human population forever is anything other than a demon. What evidence or proof do you have to show that Jesus is still alive? Prove it.
I wonder, did anyone who has commented here watch the video, or are you here only to to undermine and ignore the message Mr. McGrath put forward- There is too much aggression, needless name calling and so forth and not enough genuine, civil and constructive debate on the subject? If there is a clash of worldviews, it is best to agree to disagree, or at least there should be a purpose to this- something substantial to gain.
No, we understand the message of the guy. The problem is that the guy is a hypocrite, if you would dig a little bit deeper then this softball goodfeel interview. Not to mention the problem of him being a creationist, wanting to invoke religion in science classes is not a good thing.
***** how is being a creationist lead to religion in science classes, creationists brought us science thus far, I would think they would be the ones to keep religion out (like evolution, etc.) What I'm trying to say is isn't that the solution to people wanting to invoke religion in science classes, that he's a creationist?
Guys, I have something to say. When I woke up this morning, I was a die-hard atheist. However, as my day went on, I was blessed with a revelation. A sudden and profound understanding of things that I had not percieved before. It was as though a veil was lifted and suddenly, everything I had previously believed (and not believed) was dealt a strong blow. I'm still shaken, but I'm coming to terms with it and I think I'm going to make the first step. ...I'm going to write a letter to Santa Clause.
For the same reason that the idea of invisible pink unicorns currently flying around our head is out of the question - There's not a single shred of evidence.
5:09 As a Christian myself, I have to say that I completely 100% disagree with him in saying that Dawkins is disrespectful towards Christians. I've seen a whole lot of Dawkins, and although he often gets visibly frustrated while arguing with Christians, I've never seen him be disrespectful. I really like the guy despite disagreeing with him on the existence of God. It's not hard to see that he is a good man with a good heart. I think that he would make a truly fantastic Christian if only he'd give God a chance. We should all be praying for him, as it would be huge loss to see an otherwise good man go to hell simply because he was spiritually ignorant and full of pride. Here's hoping he finds his way.
If God wanted Dawkins to be a Christian apologist, Dawkins would be a Christian apologist. The god you believe in is not the all powerful God that created all things and continues to exercise TOTAL CONTROL no matter what the Hebrew Bible says.
This guy has a point. I'm a Christian who also believes in science. I see them as one in the same. I respect others, even though I may not agree with them, and expect the same from others. I see science and God as a debit card and pin key. One can not work without the other.
Sorry but this analogy fails. Both the credit card and pin key are demonstrable and (more often than not) reliable. Science is demonstrable and reliable, God isn't. And you definitely don't need God to make science work.
I notice that he didn't actually bring up any piece of evidence for why he started believing in a god. He simply claimed that a god is more interesting. That isn't a reason to believe in a god. To quote Dawkins, (who was admittedly quoting someone else), "Science is interesting, and if you don't think so, you can fuck off'".
This is a great example of how people have to figure out answers for themselves. If you're indoctrinated one way or the other, there is a strong chance you will push away from it. Let people figure things out on their own without indoctrinating them. They'll be much stronger after it.
Indoctrinate sounds forceful .If I had a child or two I would just live my life as I do and that should rub off on them to a large degree.If Dad is honest ,good chance they will be too , If dad is kind to all rich and poor ,they will probably follow suit .Never shove a book in a child's face and say ,,,your learning that !
David Berlinski is a mathematician, who perhaps more eloquently explains his belief in an intelligent design necessity....David also explains how evolution is PRESENTED as concrete, but in reality has plenty of guesses and nonsensical science...
Let me replace "dancing unicorns" with "masturbating rhinos". What if there was a religion that believes that there's an invisible masturbating rhino standing on our heads, and that we should worship those rhinos and provide them with hand lotion as sacrifice. Would you still say "we can't rule it out"? At what point does it become too ridiculous?
At the end times, if we are still alive, we will want to have a second chance to listen about God and His plan for salvation,beware! For me, it requires more faith to not believe in God than to do believe in Him.
Yes i know what you mean and i really appreciate that and people. *But on another point of view there* *should be no Understanding for Sin.* _Unfaithfulness is Sin_
Alistar refused to give us any rationale as to how he made the leap from atheist to Christian. It's likely the only interesting thing about him. Think about it. It's a huge leap. To be intellectually honest in the process, you have to study all religions, and cross them off your list one by one before you become, in his case, Anglican. The reasoning for the removal of each of all other religions from his list would have been interesting.
Atheists saw how how one of their own opened his eyes and found Truth. Some of them may know as well, but don’t want to admit they’ve been doing it wrong.
+ThrMDyn: More stubborn and impolite atheists who don't value life... All religious people should value all life; whether it's an animal, a human, or an alien!! ALL LIVES ARE HIGHLY VALUED!!!! But atheist lives are ignorant and accuse the righteous people of stupidity and ignorance when they're the ones who act like everything they say about us!!
A scientific theory is about the farthest thing from a 'guess' that we can get. In order for something to become a scientific theory it must pass rigorous testing, fact checking, outside scrutiny and consistently display the same results. Yet despite all of this we still call it a Scientific Theory because science is always open to future evidence and discovery to adjust those theories to be as accurate as possible. This is a process theism could never pass because it's closed and fact less.
Yeah, that comment was incorrect, though there are so many religious people out there who claim to have been atheists, that if they were all telling the truth, the churches would be crammed full with former atheists, so it is easy to doubt. However, I think this guy confused being a skeptic, and a critical thinker with being an atheist, when not all atheists are good critical thinkers. All you need to be a "true atheist" is to lack belief in god(s) whether your reasons are good or foolish.
@ 7:27 he says something very key "There are so many ways of making sense of the bible..." quite true. You can read almost anything you want into it because there are so many mutually exclusive contradictory statements within.
ray salmon The very best contradiction of the bible is how the intelligent designer gave us a foreskin then asks us to whack the damned thing off because it's healthier to not have it, but then says "anyone with a mutilated member can not enter the assembly of god" Sheesh! Talk about being impossible? The bible is full of contradictions. Genesis 9:2 The fear of you & the terror of you will be on every beast of the earth & on every bird of the sky; with everything that creeps on the ground, & all the fish of the sea, into your hand they are given. {not exactly a contradiction, but everyone with a dog that loves them knows this is bullshit} Genesis 9:3 Every moving thing that is alive shall be food for you; I give all to you, as I gave the green plant. {This ommits the huge number of toxic & deadly plants & animals} Exodus 20:4 "You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. Exodus 20:4 “You shall not make for yourself an idol, OR ANY LIKENESS OF what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. numbers 21:8 The LORD said to Moses, "Make a snake & put it up on a pole; anyone who is bitten can look at it & live." 9 So Moses made a bronze snake & put it up on a pole. Then when anyone was bitten by a snake & looked at the bronze snake, they lived. "last words" of this fraud "prophet"; John says he said "It is finished", Luke says he says "Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit", & Mark & Matthew say he says "My god, my god, why hast thou forsaken me?" The blood-shedder must die(Gen9:5,6) The blood-shedder must not die(Gen4:15) Killing commanded(Ex32:27) Killing forbidden(Ex20:13) Hatred to the Edomite sanctioned(2Kings14:7,3) Hatred to the Edomite forbidden(Deut23:7) Lying approved & sanctioned(Josh2:4-6/James2:25/Ex1:18-20/1Kings22:21-22) Lying forbidden(Ex20:16/Prov12:22/Rev 21:8) Robbery commanded(Ex3:21-22/Ex12:35-36) Robbery forbidden(Lev19:13/Ex20:15) There is but one God.(Deut6:4) There is a plurality of gods (Gen1:26/Gen3:22/Gen18:1-3/1John 5:7) God's attributes are revealed in his works.(Rom1:20) God's attributes cannot be discovered.(Job11:7/Is40:28) Because of man's wickedness God destroys him.(Gen6:5,7) Because of man's wickedness God will not destroy him.(Gen 8:21) God cannot lie. (Heb 6:18) God lies by proxy; he sends forth lying spirits to deceive. (2 Thes 2:11/ 1 Kings 22:23/ Ezek 14:9) God is satisfied with his works Gen1:31 God is dissatisfied with his works. Gen6:6 God dwells in chosen temples 2Chron7:12,16 God dwells not in temples Acts7:48 God dwells in light Tim6:16 God dwells in darkness 1Kings8:12/Ps18:11/Ps97:2
+ray salmon ok basic contradictions: God loves everyone and forgives everyone. God creates the worst place ever where sinners will spend eternity, and once you're in there you don't have the opportunity to ask for forgiveness, now, that is not love. God knows everything you will do in the future and he has already planned every day of your life before you were born. God gives you free will even though, everything you'll do in the future is already written.
he does not sound like a previous atheist at all. he discounted it further than saying yes he was, then he did not say how he left atheism and became a christian. odd that he talks in circles
A cold hard hug from Science to tell me how plants use photosynthesis for making their own food, *or a hug* from God on the inside, that tells me I was worth it to shed blood for me? Both. But only Jesus will save me from my sins and grant me eternal life through his death, burial and resurrection of his gospel. 1 Cor 15: 1-4 (Creationist)
You have to read more than one book. Faith is believing in something without evidence. With that logic you could make sense of the Easter bunny or bigfoot. Believing in something because it makes you feel good doesn't make it true
@@dermydiffer The biblical definition of faith is not believing without evidence. In the Greek version of the bible they use the word "pistis" which means the same as trust. When the bible uses the word faith it doesn't mean belief without reason, it means trust. Imagine you're a child standing at the top of a six foot drop and your father tells you "jump I'll catch you" and that you need to have faith in him but he is standing several meters away from the drop. That is the definition of faith everyone thinks the bible is using. The one it is actually using is more like this... Your father stands at the bottom of the drop with his arms open saying "jump I'll catch you" knowing he is there you have faith (trust) that he will catch you. This is the definition of faith that the bible uses. Aside from feelings (which are only subjective arguments) there are plenty of strong objective arguments for the existence of god, such as the cosmological one, the ontological one and the teleological one.
@@dermydiffer Who hasn't read more than one book? But that book (Bible) that I have read since I was young and now I have greys starting in, has been a source of joy, encouragement, help, ethics, moral compass, love, good guidance, restraint of my internal evil inclinations choosing many times to withhold revenge for forgiveness, and learning patience and mercy, with have all benefited not only me, but my children and those with in my circle of influence as well, for countless conflicts that are a part of the world by nature. It has been there many times to teach me how to pause and think things through with an internal and external use of the Holy Spirit into countless choices all along the way, adding a dimension of help and counsel more times that I can count over the course of at least from age 10 to 43, and never has that Lord let me down... though I have let him down. I have learned love and long sufferings and compassion from him, studying his words and watching for his Spirit continually interact with me when I invited him to cure me. Never has he left me without wisdom, or caused me to pause and compile reasonable responses to numerous life's choices, especially what to do with this evil inside me that I see when I break the 10 commands. I have that prophetic in your face evidence because I see over the course of my life having it played out, and Jesus promises that he will gift me a new nature, one like his own. I want that. What is it to you, if I want that betterment, offer it to others, and we all ( who want him) just get better. Faith is used for somethings to get you to him, this submission thing to a really kind and authority rich, person is not a threat, its been a great blessing, I can't say enough about him and his very direct interactions with me over my childhood, into my adulthood. And I don't want to burn in hell for what I know I deserve to. I am sorry you refuse to bow the knee and thus *starve yourself* of this mercy and gift. Yet, he and it is within your own finger tips to take or not, to your benefit or detriment. But then we all ha If the world was for over two thousand years murdering off people who believed the Easter Bunny was real as you say, then it would be worth looking into what the threat was that would cost men their blood, rather than erected foolish brainwashing material of worthless red herrings, which skirts the deeper issues of life. So, yeah, In the end I and a whole lotta of people are putting our faith in that an who turned the world upside down, loves us, communes with us, gives his blood for us as a act of love via sacrifice. I want that.
@@chancegreer5735 I guess I can get his book for free, let's say, 5 thousand copies... ? Wait, did I just ask a question or make a statement... hmmmm I'm not sure, I'll just leave it at that for people to figure out by themself because I value their intellect and judgement. Oh, no, I don't, I live by a doctrine and beliefs and science is ok up until the church dictates or menaces me of excommunication. Good times
I'm a former Atheist and would suggest people watch "Lee Strobel: Why does creation makes sense". It is a 40+ minute video but It'll make you really think. If Jesus is really who he claimed to be then you owe it to yourself to investigate him.
Atheists always say that God must be evil because there are people who suffer and that we die... The thing is that God didn't create evil; He created something that created evil... that is what liberty in life can do... People who suffer isn't God's cause; it's theirs... they chose to allow their suffering to continue... But for those with cancer and other long-term disease, all you can do is pray to God; but there are only so many people in the world that He can help at a time, that's the problem with atheistic thought...
All praise be to GOD our father in heaven. Man oh man oh man it's just a blessing and an awesome and I mean AWESOME feeling and life to live for our father in heaven. Love, grace,mercy, salvation,a personal relationship with Jesus that leads to eternal life with our awesome father in heaven. Man it's so awesome and spectacular that it gives me chills. I love you'll and please turn your life to Jesus and he will change your life beyond anything you could possibly imagine!!
I think it is extremely hypocritical that someone can profess their faith in Jesus Christ while, at the same time, support a despicable sociopath as President of the United States.
+laslo lowenstein - No it's rather like the natural progression of simplicity to complexity - evolution of intelligence if you will. Moving from Atheist ( simplicity ) to a higher intellectual complexity ( Christianity ) - That explains why Atheism is declining and Christianity is increasing, as humans are moving from intellectual inferiority to intellectual superiority - But I assume you don't believe in Evolution do you?
Lendl Metcalf Christianity is in decline, it is not nearly as influential as it was 500 years ago. At least you recognize that natural forms gradually progress from simplicity to complexity. Intelligence is very complex and did not emerge until organisms had evolved for billions of years.
So your fact is based upon your own opinion. My point is based upon the facts. Here is the proof from the latest survey by the Pew Research Center: "According to 2011 Pew Research Center survey, there are 2.18 billion Christians around the world in 2010, up from about 600 million in 1910. And according to 2012 Pew Research Center survey if current trends continue, Christianity will remain the world's largest religion by year 2050. By 2050, the Christian population is expected to exceed 3 billion" So that's that. Yes with God all things are possible, even possibly billions of years of time. It's amazing to think that He created all this space in order for the big bang to have occurred.
Lendl Metcalf As world population increases, the proportion of Christians is decreasing,.Most Christians are not conservative Evangelical members of the Religious Right, and the religion has much less influence than it did in the Middle ages. That is why they are losing all their cultural battles against gays, abortion rights, contraception, free speech and science. Notice all the US Presidential candidates who have made a special appeal to Christian rightists have failed.
laslo lowenstein Christianity is certainly not declining - It's the increasing majority religion. 'Christian population growth is the population growth of the global Christian community. According to 2011 Pew Research Center survey, there are 2.18 billion Christians around the world in 2010, up from about 600 million in 1910.[1] And according to 2012 Pew Research Center survey if current trends continue, Christianity will remain the world's largest religion by year 2050. By 2050, the Christian population is expected to exceed 3 billion So there you go.
That is no more true for an atheist than for a Christian. Having more life doesn't add meaning to life. In the end, we all choose what gives our lives meaning. Perhaps you think that serving the vanity of your god by praising it for eternity is a good enough purpose for life - I don't think that is a good reason to live myself. No one can escape the fact that their purpose in life and their morals are of their own choosing no matter what.
He's justified in calling it that. He could also call it an ideology, worldview, etc. That doesn't prove he never was one. I was one as well… it's why I watch these videos now when I didn't care about them before, as an atheist. Sure, atheism is one simple thing, a negative actually, and doesn't contain any edicts or a worldview. However, when he refers to it as a religion, we know exactly which atheists he is talking about, because they do all gain each other's approval and form the same opinions, use the same 'apologetics' and parrot the same popular 'thinkers' in these parts of the world. All of those things do not define atheism per se, but those same people will turn around and dictate to others who may be atheists that they aren't one (based on a criteria that supposedly cannot exist under the definition of atheism alone) or lambast people who deem the term 'agnostic' as more fitting for themselves. With all of that said… It is not our job to make these distinctions for you, when you are 1) the ones creating this identity of atheism, and/or 2) don't represent the distinction yourselves - as it is your job to but people cannot do it because there is an emotional attachment to the very word 'atheist'… It's 'bold', it's 'cool', it's 'seductive/attractive', it's saying "I'm a rebel, I am defiant, I am non-conformist, I'm a genius overnight"… When really that is just something you bought into, and you're just as conformist as ever.
The difference is religion means believing in god(s) or anything supernatural. People parrot each other all the time on any subject, we can't all be specialists in every field of science or philosophy. So saying there's no proof for magic makes me a conformist or a rebel etc? I call myself an "Anti-theist", having been surrounded by believers my entire life, I've seen the effects on their minds and the world. And I "believe" god(s) (following the general definition) are impossible . I would be interested to learn what made you a non-believer and now a believer tho. sincerely D.
Xarxxon Xon That's not entirely true. You can find atheistic or atheist friendly religions if you run the request through google. Also, atheism doesn't say nonbelief in the supernatural. It only says nonbelief in a supreme being/god/deity. Dictionary definition: a :a disbelief in the existence of deity b :the *doctrine* that there is no deity Why does it say doctrine in the 2nd one? Words/vocabulary change. What causes it to change? Do we change it and then say ok send out the memo? Or do our actions and the way we adopt terms or change pronunciations dictate the change? I'd say the latter… We form the identity of words. It's the whole reason for having them. He could probably stand to use a better term than 'religion' to reference the subject, but he's not too far off of the mark. That was my biggest thing as an atheist - making sure no one could pin it down to address it. The dance around. The ankle biter. Whew…. Lol. Every atheist that turns to theism has different reasons for doing so. I think atheists get so offended at the occurrence because they've created popular and well accepted thought through anti-theism that there is no logic, rationality, or even much of any sanity, in the life of a theist, and theistic thought. It's just not true.
I say it because Darwinism being taught in schools and rigorously defended by Atheist, Humanist, Scientism, and secular humanist is a religion. Take Darwin's book origin of species. That is not the title if the book, its On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life. Darwin's book favored the stronger should by nature rule over the weak, poor, sick, and uneducated because nature demands it. He hardly spoke on the scientific reasoning on evolution but sure did say a lot about philosophical reasons. It opened the door for science now to rationalize eugenics, abortion, human medical experiments without consent, you name it. When you hear politicians tell us things like " science tells us drinking this or eating that" is why we are passing this law today. You better pay attention because scientist are now the law and policy makers. No longer objective but pardoners with the same powers that govern over the people. It has become Scientism not science at that point. You hear words like "Fundamentally change, new world order, thousand points of light" all based on a secular, Humanist religious idea. It sure the hell is not based on science or observation in nature.
>Darwin's book favored the stronger should by nature rule over the weak, poor, sick, and uneducated because nature demands it > No. Clearly you never read the book---nor do you even understand English language word meanings of the 1800's. ("Race" meant "variety of living thing".) By the way, Darwin and family was the biggest abolitionist donors in the UK in his day. Read the eulogies which American Christian ministries published in newspapers upon his death. As a disciple of Jesus Christ, I abhor those who lie---including lies about the dead.
Umm.. Try reading Darwin Decent of Man and come back and try that abolitionist smoke and mirror routine on me. Darwin even said he had no argument against slavery. He couldn't because he held that acceleration of survival of the fit was a logical progression in evolution. So the next time you make shit up, at least do the required work and make an effort before you come to class.
For the ignorant that might read his bullshit. Darwin's Sacred Cause book was written to put Darwin in a better light, just as over time the title was contracted to"Origins of Species by natural selection" from its complete title "or Favored races in the struggle for survival" So your argument is worthless. Just the idea they tried to deceive people gave me reason to look closer at the evidence. Besides, the pressure on the UK to reform slavery was from the religious arguments, not humanist ideas.
Its hard for atheist to accept the fact that real atheist can turned to Christ. They expect them to not change and stick to the evolutionary theory. They didn't want to be atheist and more quit crying. "Oh he wasn't really a atheist. Just because people refuse to stay stubborn and bias doesn't mean they weren't atheist, and yes that's what that is. Atheist can find the Lord too. Just not those type who say there's no evidence as a way of sticking to their deviloution theory. Lol
By the method of irrational personal bias. MY God is real because I feel him in MY life all the time. It's sad to watch someone fall into that cycle of infinite logical loopholes and fallacies.
For the people asking why doesn't God show himself to us now. Is because if God did that right now. It would make our free will obsolete. In meaning our choices to be a Christian, an atheist or whatever else, would be changed. Let's say you chose to be an atheist. And you keep it going as an atheist until you saw God. What would you do? Well then they would have been proven wrong and changed their ways because God presented himself to the Atheist crowd. The whole point of him not showing himself is for those that believe in him follow and for those who don't go a different path. That is Free Will and choices. If you choose to be a Christian pursue it. I have been my whole life and I know he is real. I have in my experiences in my life witnessed his works. When is the last time you felt alive? Instead of going day by day doing what you normally do or something new. When is the last time you looked around? No technology, no buildings, just you and the world. People say he isn't real and they want proof. It is all around you. I mean if you want to believe that we were made from an explosion in the universe, and that everything from our solar system being perfectly aligned, then having our planet to sustain life and then have us. This perfect machine made from nothing? I rather have God as my answer than theories that will eventually be debunked. You want to see God's work? Feel your fingers. Feel the ground beneath you. Look into your loved ones. Look outside at the nature. The sky from dusk to dawn. Feel yourself breathing. Acually notice you are alive and not just 'oh I am just here' feeling. Once you acually see what I am talking about. You will experience God right there... Have a great day.
+Dustin McConnell Are you not now constrained to choose based on lack of evidence? How is that freedom? It sounds like you can flip a coin and take whatever the coin flip dictates or not. Calling that a decision is pushing it too far if you ask me. The fact is you do not choose what you believe. You are either convince by whatever passes for evidence of you are not. Thence you either accept it as possible or you conclude it is not possible. If it didn't matter at all whether you believed in god or not or say if god was claimed to punish only those who believe in him - would you? Feel free to answer either question or both.
i dont think god appears i think just how your thoughts change no lie im just like you i would read the bible in have question like if god was so perfect why would he make satan but then answer would start appearing out of no where so i learn one thing dont question god
Please analyze the evidence for the resurrection of Jesus, and see what the following men have to say on it (search them on UA-cam) - it is because of them my faith is strong: -William Lane Craig -Lee Strobel -N.T Wright
TheMDyn I have heard these arguments utterly destroyed so many times I can't believe someone would still be listening to them. Your way behind you need to catch up.
TheMDyn If you really would love to see the resurrection story demolished, which I doubt you actually do, then this is your lucky day, the facts are absolutely overwhelming in support of the story being fabricated. Only people with a strong xian agenda will even attempt to prove it really happened by twisting the truth in what could only be described as "biblical proportions".
@HASF fanatic It's ingrained in society. A figure of speech. Not to mention wordplay in the context of this comment. This is why atheists despise religious people. Cause you're all actually brain dead on some level.
@HASF fanatic " If you decide to keep using it, it's your decision." "I didnt use any God terms when I was athiest." You trying to have your cake and eat it too there buddy? Why does what you did with your vocabulary have any bearing on what me or Zack do with ours? I do have a choice and I choose to say things like "god" and "holy shit" for comedic effect. I don't hate you because I disagree with you don't put words in my fucking mouth. Yeah everyone is dumb in their own way, but at least I don't go around proclaiming my ignorance as truth. And that not agreeing with me will get you a one way ticket to ETERNAL DAMNATION. On the contrary, I would say the average christian would be scores lower than your average atheist. "intelligents", point proven.
œ æ I’m going to respond to these in order. But not bulleted cause I’m on mobile. 1. Yes I have. What does that have to do with the validity of my claims? 2. Yes I have. What does that have to do with the validity of my claims? 3. If that is referencing my “eternal damnation” comment. That is not what I implied. In fact I wasn’t implying anything other than exactly what I said. That Christians believe atheists will burn. I didn’t say they had to hate me for believing that. Again, religious people putting words in my mouth to ride a high horse. 4. Yes they on average literally do. The more educated you are the exponentially more likely you are to be atheist. Not my fault that’s a fact. 5. I may have implied I was smarter, but that in no way equates to me implying I’m superior. Again why must you put words in my mouth? 6. I’m not upset he’s refuting, I’m upset he’s ignorant of science, and believes faith and/or scripture is in any way an accurate means of assessing the truth.
@HASF fanatic It is ironic yeah. But naturally, it would be ironic to those on differing sides of an ideal for different reasons. As I said it's ironic for us because we don't believe, it's ironic for yall because you claim god is in us all and that is how it shows for atheists or something equally ridiculous. I can't speak for every single person but I doubt anyone hates you for your beliefs, they probably hate you for what you do based on your beliefs, like telling CHILDREN they'll BURN FOR ETERNITY if for example they think their same sex classmate is cute. Religion makes morally normal people do and say wicked things in the name of their god. Because they believe they have divine permission. You say that doesn't make them a true christian, but does that matter if they're doing it in name of christianity? Christians don't seem to care in this sense when muslims say similar things about extremists. What makes your religion exempt from it's bad apples? You're right you didn't say that, I misread it, my mistake. Atheists do not make arguments from ignorance, there is substantial evidence that all gods in the earthly realm are man made. Just because you disagree with it doesn't mean it's not real. Convenient how your religions defense mechanism against proof your god is man-made is that we never really knew your god in the first place. What about people like Matt Dillahunty who were strong believers for decades before coming to their senses? You can't just discredit them as "fake" because it's convenient for your argument when they believed just as much as you did/do. Why on earth would I use "intelligence" as a means to say "treatment of others". I mean intelligence for what it fucking means. What makes you think otherwise? Very curious to know. Again the convenient dispelling of things that don't favor your argument. This is delusional behavior. Also, you're completely incorrect if you think god didn't explicitly order his followers to enslave jews and give exact instructions on how to do so, and even how much their worth, IN THE BIBLE. Exodus 21 ;) So by your own argument, if you down own a jew, you're not a real follower! Phony! True atheists don't have the same rule. Imagine that, people letting other people act how they want(don't try to put an immoral spin on this you should know what I mean). And you couldn't have ended on a more incorrect note. When has their EVER been a war in the name of atheism? When has any atheist ever said you need to stop believing or I'll slaughter your village? Cause I can think of a FUCK LOAD of times religious sects have gotten so angry that other people don't agree with them, that they literally end their lives and enslave and indoctrinate their children. But you'll never accept this because those people "aren't real christians". Give. Me. A. Break.
@HASF fanatic Being respectful has nothing to do with what we're arguing about. Which is the existence of god, your god in particular. Again, you're abusing the convenience of disassociating someone with your religion because they did not follow it to the T, yet you also say Slavery isn't how the bible makes it sound. You can't have it both ways, which is what you're trying to do. Just because you say they're not a real christian TO YOU, doesn't mean they didn't live their whole lives as a christian. This is where atheists and christians aren't compatible. Christians and religious people in general love to say they get their morals from god. But as soon as one of you breaks the law and does evil, you're disowned by the church to save face. Atheists can't play this cheap card because we (for the most part) don't believe in moral absolutes, and therefore wouldn't expect anyone who thinks like we do, to be perfect in every shape and form. At least as atheists we admit to our bad apples, cause doing otherwise would be DELUSIONAL. Again, YOU may not attack or condemn them, but another church, who agrees with you on 99.99% of everything else, but says gays are evil are all of a sudden discredit because the secular world knows this to be untrue. Again, CHEAP TACTICS TO SAVE FACE. All because you claim moral absolutism and that with god you can do no wrong. Stupid argument that only denies REALITY. Yes all humans start out as morally normal, and the example given above is one of the things I mean when I say religion makes morally normal people do and say wicked things. Just because you deny reality and say they're "fake" doesn't mean they didn't do what they did because they believed they had god on their side. If you can't admit to as much as that, then you're just cherry picking the facts. No one goes crazy by believing in god? I would say jihadism is pretty crazy, blowing yourself up for 72 virgins in heaven seems pretty crazy would you not agree? I think that's all I have to say about that. You're right the majority of morally corrupt people aren't just christian, they're religious in general. You can't say you're the only religion with a definition, every single one has a moral mold they want you to fit. Again you're literally cherry picking REALITY to fit your claim. Or you're just that ignorant on other religions because you've only heard arguments AGAINST them from your own sect. There is no concrete scientific that A god doesn't exist. But there's plenty of scientific and empirical evidence, sometimes from your own scripture, that can argue very convincingly if not prove that YOUR god, was invented by bronze age peasants. Again with the convenient argument of disowning someone because they don't agree with your interpretation. Matt Dillahunty was a hardcore believer for almost half his life. So much so where he's admitted to "hearing god" in the past, things he now knows through further investigation were just hallucinations, or taking his own thoughts as responses from god. He did this by getting as specific as possible when comparing notes with fellow members of his church on the feeling of the holy spirit. Instead of just saying "You felt that too right"? "That was totally god". I've never heard of an atheist comparing intelligence to treatment of others. That makes no sense. Literally none. Did you even read exodus 21? Or have you only heard other religious people try to justify it? It literally tells you how much to pay to own a person, how long you can own them. THAT'S SLAVERY. LOL and now you're saying they were just WORKERS?! ARE YOU JOKING?!?!?!? And you claim christianity is a religion of moral absolutism? It is virtually universally agreed that slavery is morally wrong, so why would the bible allow it at all?! I honestly can't believe what I'm reading, you're justifying OWNING ANOTHER HUMAN. What's next? Rape is okay so long as you offer to marry the girl you raped in the modern world? Unreal. I don't recall saying washing hands was related to rape in anyway. I did say in another comment chain that jesus said washing your hands before a meal wasn't necessary as "there is nothing that can enter a man through the mouth that can harm him" which proves jesus didn't know about germs. Because germs get you sick by getting on your face, and therefore into your body, by you not washing your hands, and then eating or touching your face. Hows that for a truth for you to accept? Communism is not synonymous with atheism. Godless and atheists constitutions have usually been found in socialist states but that's because controlling the gathering of people, especially in mosques and churches is a very effective way to oppress them. And even if there is an example of an atheist leader slaughtering religious people for the sake of doing it, congratulations, you've found an example of a bad apple. At least my community has THE BALLS to own up to their existence, instead of coming up with some petty excuse like "WeLl ThEy'Re NoT rEaLlY aThEiStS tHeN". The idea of wars being started because of christianity is ignorant? What about the crusades? What about George Bush who was literally quoted saying god approached him, and told him to go to war with Iraq. But not like that example will even matter to you cause you're just gonna backpedal and say "they weren't real christians". What a joke. Sure atheists have started wars, but by definition it would be ridiculous to think it was for or because of any god. I'm curious to know what you think of as an "atheist war" too. You think christians preach love, peace and harmony? I say even if that's true, in what sense is that religious anymore? What does that have to do with the validity of their god? Absolutely nothing. We don't preach killing babies that's absurd. You don't agree with us on the definition of when an embryo graduates from a clump of cells to a clump of cells with a nervous system and so forth. That DOES NOT equate to us preaching for the murder of babies. Again, deny reality and cherry picking the facts to conform the world to your argument. Sure people can wish for you to die, but only because their atheists that makes them bad right? Cause I've spoken with plenty of religious folk who told me I ought to die and burn in hell for "preaching evil"(not quoting you). What does that say about anything other than their apparent "moral absolutism". People aren't perfect and not everyone is nice, big whoop. Did you just call Ben Shaprio an atheist? I don't understand why you said his name there. "Now, athiests are bad because they're athiests. It's just that there is a trend among them, in which they do bad things. Not all of course. Those people arent real Christians. That is your break. Its factual." this little chunk of text you wrote makes absolutely no sense. None. "That's why it's so easy for me to say "you're wrong" Keep dreaming that the world is or ever will be that simple. "You cant be a christian and enslave and murder people for not believing." Oh right but you can be if you let them free after 6 years my bad I forgot. Lol you contradicted yourself so fucking much it's astounding. Not to mention you seemingly condoned slavery, solely because you let them go after a set time. As if that justifies OWNING ANOTHER HUMAN. You have proven my point 10 fold with this statement. Religion, makes morally normal people do and say wicked things. You disgust me.
ray salmon I've read it. How exactly does he "blunder" , or show that he's "out of his depth" with respect to the New Testament. Some real examples would be good.
ray salmon I think you'd need to provide some concrete examples on how "atheism...conjure militancy" (whatever that means. And again, all you are doing is stating your own subjective opinion. You're not even refuting any actual quotations.
For the " show me god" argument I might counter show me dark matter and energy that makes up 96% of the universe. Both sides require an element of faith at their core and present day science qualifies more as a religion for atheists and materialists than anything else.
+obergsson "Both sides require an element of faith " Nice try at finding common ground. But we don't build churches to dark matter. We don't pray to dark matter. We don't build a whole way of life around dark matter. We don't ask for money for dark matter. Dark matter and dark energy are a theory based on observable evidence. God is not. How is present day science a religion, and how is present day science any different than any other science?
even easier ask them how can 4 letters dna genome be coded into billion pairs inside one of trillions of cells in a body with the correct INSTRUCTIONS of structure and growth rates and tissue information ... without a mind or designer or creator behind them ... and if they asnwer natural selection ... then they have admited god exists .. because only minds and personal agents can select anything ... the atheist faith in natural"selection" being a blind randon purposeless process done by "no one" is absolutelly illogical irracional and ridiculously obcene to be honest ... its like believing that if you throw characters or algorithms into an open source platform that windows 10 will acidentally come to be without any prior mindful purpose at all what so ever atheism is irracional ..
when2033comesyouaredone "correct INSTRUCTIONS" You are using this word incorrectly. All evidence points to the fact that living beings have evolved in their ability to replicate. DNA is the way things replicate. The fact that it is complex is a result of the time period over which life has evolved. DNA is also not perfect. It breaks down over time, causing errors. "because only minds and personal agents can select anything ... " How can you wade into a conversation and comment on something that you literally know fuck all about? Here is natural selection: I have insects on my plants. I buy bug spray. It kills most of the bugs but not all of them. The ones it does not kill have enough variation in their genome as to have some kind of natural immunity to my bug spray. Those insects mate and multiply. I use my bug spray again. This time it kills very few bugs, because all of the bugs that survived had a natural immunity. This is also how diseases become immune to antibiotics. The insects that are left have been "selected" by nature. Now that I have explained this to you, do you promise to educate yourself about things before you open your fat stupid mouth again? BTW, why can't theists spell? I run into this every time. WTF is "irracional"?
lol, let me point out all the issues with your theory if you dont mind ... 1st, dna is a code, just like computer programs, and each sections of the strands have different instructions and functions (info) that relate to growth rates, tissue type, and molecular structure, but just like a computer program the entire program is coodependent, if one are fails, then the entire program fail ... and NO dna is not the way ANYTHING replicates.. thats outright FALLACIOUS, dna cant replicate without pre induced coded instructions that are in the cell genome, dna does not act for the sake of it, 2nd, im not gonna call you names but your definition of natural "selection" in straight up SAD , you seem to equate micro adaptation to macro evolution... thats is nonsensical, since if you spray your bugs they will not gain more genetic information to change their core genome from a bug to a bird, its absolutelly STUPID to think that just because something survives a hostile environment, that it will some how for no reason whatsoever change from a species to another via basic chance mistake mutations... natural selection cannot acount for biological characteristics fdevelopment in a species ... if you make 5 prius cars and rain them with water and one of them somehow doesnt rust it doesnt follow that those prius will some how turn into a top series LEXUS ... in fact to go from a prius to a lexus you cant just change small individual parts because everything needs to be remodelled and rearranged in order for the entirety of the new lexus to operate properly, THIS IS THE INSANITY OF THE STUPID evolution theory based on natural "selection" you must say you dont believe in miracles, and that believing in a creator is gullible, but you need infinitly more FAITH to believe that improvement and code addition can come about in any species without a guided well executed process, also your flawded definition of natural selection does not explain how beings can gain genetic info when it didnt have the complete structural profile before to account for the new features, in other words these beings would have to used the same base material to make up new features but they clearly do not have enough to account for the complex new feature some other animal display ... you HAVE A LOT TO LEARN because your knowledge and understanding of biology and evolution itself is of 4rth grade level, ofc when you learn about evolution properly you will come to the same conclusion i and million others did, and break free from that fairy tail .. Ii write fast and am not a native english speaker so i dont give 2 cents if its miss spell words ... my miss spelling doesnt make your falacious arguements less falacious, evolution is still nonsense
when2033comesyouaredone "each sections of the strands have different instructions" Your words are wrong. Just like anything else, different parts of living things are capable of different things. DNA is capable of replicating. That is how it has evolved. Your use of the word "instructions" is simply wrong, because you want to then use other meanings of the word that are inherent in it to say that there has to be a designer since "instructions" mean there is one. This is simply false. "they will not gain more genetic information" Again, you use the word "information" incorrectly. We know that genetic mutation occurs. Some mutations are beneficial to the creature, while some are not. The term "information" has nothing to do with how things change. "if you make 5 prius cars and rain them with water and one of them somehow doesnt rust it doesnt follow that those prius will some how turn into a top series LEXUS" It should be illegal for you to make analogies. Please stay on topic. Simply because you think it is a good analogy, does not make it one. Go back to my previous comment. The evidence for genetic mutations and genetic adaptation (natural selection) is quite strong. That is why the vast majority of scientists (those who actually study these things) think that this is the most likely way things have occurred. "you HAVE A LOT TO LEARN because your knowledge and understanding of biology and evolution itself is of 4rth grade level" I'm simply teaching you what scientists know, and why they have come to the conclusions they have. We know that there are problems with how some of these processes take place. We do not pretend to know everything. But the evidence is quite clear. It has been generated over more than 100 years or so, across many scientific disciplines, from all around the world by tens of thousands of scientists. Evolution is considered a fact in the same way that global warming is, or that the earth revolves around the sun. There are around 300,000 scientific research papers that support evolution, and 98% of scientists that study in these fields agree that evolution is a fact. If you think that your amateurish little UA-cam post somehow completely erases all of that, then you are on a level of stupid previously uninhabited by any human.
I was a fundamentalist baptist until high school. I was very much "If you don't believe in God, you're sad, you're bad, and you're mad." Then when I went to university and started thinking for myself. I had just been accepting God without thinking about it, it just seemed to make sense. But when I started asking why I believed in it in the first place and stopped ignoring the scientific facts, the universe became much less complicated and really interesting too.
I went to fundamentalist baptist school. I find it fascinating that the word Christian only appears 3 times in the Bible. They were first known as people of "the way" Stop looking at "Christianity" and look at Jesus. He was radical. He called "the religious" all sorts of names and yet never sinned. He "broke" the Sabbath to do good and heal. He loves children. He says Come to me not some religious system. He has a story of the Prodigal Son that shows "crazy" grace and includes dancing. He was known as a friend of sinners. God sent Jesus into the world not to condemn sinners but to save them. He was obsessed with His Heavenly Father who he is constantly saying is loving and kind and good.
I did read the book. I also read his letters that spoke in this very problem he had within himself. Darwin had seen slavery in the 1800's and had no answer to it. He didn't like it, but couldn't make a moral argument against it based on his observation of the Red & Black Ants. You might look closer at Darwin. He had many doubts about his theory and at one point was concerned it could be taken as fact, given the limit scientific testing of the time. Good luck
Honestly, what Darwin thought is COMPLETELY irrelevant. He could have renounced all of his findings. The reason it is irrelevant is because evolution is true. There is literally NO doubt in the scientific community and if you would take a university course on it you would see why. I can come up with a few convincing reasons if you'd like, but it becomes all the more clear when you have a fundamental understanding of how genetics, gene-protein processes, and ecology works. Seriously, find a bio major who doesn't believe in evolution. You'll have trouble.
And as a third comment: I just found a study reference on wikipedia that mentions 700 out of 480,000 earth and life scientists across the globe reject evolution. This represents 0.146% of scientists asked. IN 1987! Please don't patronize us scientists and science students. Science may not matter to you very much, but don't act like you somehow have enough knowledge of science to reject the completely predominating theory (and yes before you pull bullshit, a theory is something that has been supported consistently. For all we know, it could fail tomorrow. But it hasn't yet. That is why things in science are never proven to be true, just failed to be rejected). You have no authority on this matter. Don't delude yourself.
What kind of argument is that 700 out of 500k? If tomorrow 90% believe God exist you would change your mind? Hell no because your not convinced or seen any proof. Proof bring the key word here because science doesn't work off proof it makes inferences to the cause. This is what atheist apart from scientific advances. You need this proof or it's not true. Well let me school you most science is not proved to start with. It makes educated guesses as to how things work and why "cause" and "effect" it never can explain why it exist to start with. I also notice you use 30+ year old theories that have been "Disproven" or rejected. So if the scientist were wrong then how can you be sure 5 years from now they won't change their theory. Where dies that leave you. All you have then is Scientism to believe in.
You must live in a jar! You also say evolution is a fact and don't even define evolution. Which makes me wonder just what books you been getting your science from. Your simply not going to defend it using Scientism arguments either. This is why atheist or I should say radical atheist try and use science to prove some point they have the right answer and its fact. I ask you then what scientific fact "Proves natural selection and random mutations" can produce humans from fish? And I want peer reviewed papers that detail these facts. Not some abstract idea how genes can this over billions of years and millions of failed attempts. I would also want to know why this same mutation is "always" beneficial and not destructive using the same science.
@Trolltician You know, with your username being Trolltician, I'd have thought you'd be a half decent troll. I'm very disappointed with your attempts thus far.
So I'll do my best to answer your question. Every religion that I know so far, strongly focuses on being good and doing good deeds. That is how they get saved, by being good. While Jesus sead that no matter how good we try to be, it is impossible, because we are humans, and all humans have flaws, no matter how good you are. Even if we say that we were better then most humans, it's like saying to the Judge in the court "Yes I broke the law, but I have been a better human then others that broke the law" The Judge will say that you are still guilty. So that is why He has taken all of our sins on the crus, so that we wouldn't have to worry all the time of failing to be good, because we will, we are humans. Something else that only Jesus did, is die for us. So everything was already done for us, all of the good works, the only thing we have to do is just repent and trust God with our lives by giving our lives to Him.
I have read comments like yours forever and I disagree 100%. Once you turn your life over to God, you are free, literally, free from the binds of sin. I went through a long period of questioning God and faith and ended up being a believer. It is different for everyone, but for me I had a revelation, it just hit me one day, I truly believe in God's existence. You can't go from atheism to theism, pretty silly to actually believe that. God says in the bible that he will continue to try and reach you, you will have many opportunities to believe.
It's not about what they want, it's about what they can realistically measure, and so far in their lives they've been given no reason to believe in anything greater than themselves. Sure, fear of death will sway some of the less staunch atheists, but even then it's only a measure of security, as they are 99% sure God is not waiting for them momentarily on the other side.
1. So it's ok with you for people to hold irrational, baseless beliefs without evidence? (Bigfoot, fairies, gods, etc.?) 2. Most atheists don't spend ANY time having these discussions, but SOME of us feel it's important to challenge believers. It is inherently dangerous to hold irrational beliefs, because beliefs inform your actions (see 9-11, bombing abortion clinics, parents using prayer only and refusing medicine for their dying kids, etc.) I'd like to see a world with REASON, NOT mythology.
McGrath gave ZERO reason for why an atheist would turn theist. All he said is "believing in God makes things more interesting." So does a kick to my balls, but I'd never wish that upon anyone. Yet another theist fail.
The absolute beauty of George Strombolopolous - he manages to interview both sides of this issue without ever taking a side. I don't think I could do that. I couldn't listen to say, this guy, without at least once going "Okay, honestly... are you being serious right now?"
Oh I see... So it's the religion's age that decides whether or not it should be respected. How long does it have to be around before it absorbs enough "tradition" and "cultural weight" to be respected? What's the cut off point? And what about when Judaism was a new religion? What made it respectable then?
I really respect George. You know why? Because he’s willing to discuss things with many many different kinds of people, and he doesn’t show hostility or rudeness just because he doesn’t agree with someone. Society has lost the ability (in general), to have a respectful dignified conversation where they may not see eye to eye but they choose to civilly talk it out . You can care about each other and still not have the same view
agreed. The Abrahamic religions in general have a lot to answer for. It's sad that so many able minded people can't see the way out of their sheepish ignorance
The dislikes are because this guy is clearly trying to piggyback off of Dawkin's success with his book and because almost everything he says in this video is nonsense
Tacitus was not a contemporary of Jesus. 00realitycheck has made the claim that there is overwhelming evidence for the ressurection of Jesus. If Jesus did come back from the dead (along with all the other dead saints), the historians at the time would have taken note. I'm waiting for 00realitycheck to provide such evidence.
Why do you think that it isn't possible? The fossil record, comparative embryology, genetics, vestigial limbs and organs in animals, vestigial nuclei between the membranes that surround chloroplasts in plants as well as many other things support the theory of evolution.
I think the difference is, This guy asks why and Dr Dawkins asks how. I personally think why is a silly question like you dont ask "why is this mountain here" however you can ask "how is this mountain here" and you seek scientific evidence on that.
Actually, I don't think claiming to be a former atheist makes their case more powerful. What I said is that religious nuts must somehow think this gives them more credibility. In the end, all that matter is the arguments themselves. Arguments will rise and fall on their own -- regardless of anything else. I have yet to come across any argument that proves the existence of a god or gods.
Its even questionable if He ever was an Atheist b/c there are people who make the claim they are/was for silly reasons like " I got mad at god so I became an Atheist" lol
Oh what a shame. The Christian who has no clear reason for why he accepts magic and joined a cult doesn’t like the idea of reasonable people trying to take his delusion away. How sad it must be to be him.
Atheist fundamentalism? Smh... What a twisted joke... How can anyone in good conscience attempt to compare the rhetoric of Dawkins or Hitchens, to the average Islamic fundamentalist who promotes grievous violations of human rights? What an absolutely ridiculous idea to put them on even standing and to suggest that they're 'taking a page' from religious fundamentalists' book.
Of course not, just as I don't believe that your "god" who we've also never found, exists. However, since evidence indicates that it is likely the life can form under appropriate circumstances, and there are at least 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars in the visible universe (never mind if there might be more). It seems likely that we are not alone. But I won't believe that until we have evidence. You might want to try such reason - it's fun and useful.
True, but for this guy, he was very close to believing and then converted with little actual evidence. I just think the title is very misleading because he was not an atheist.
Also it is very hypocritical to tell others to be open minded when you argue that God exists and that doesn't require evidence. Showing that you are completely closed minded to the possibility of God's non existence.
Lol religion made me miserable. I used to have to worry that people I worried about would burn in he'll. I also felt like I had to convert everyone to believe what I believe and I was told to love this "god" more than any of my friends or family... And there was no way to prove this"god" even existed. Now that I'm agnostic, I don't worry about my friends burning in hell, I don't have to try and force my beliefs on anyone, and I can lovey family and friends more than anything in the whole world.
There's some ignorance in this one. Like when he says "science disproves god"... Not only science does not disprove god (or fairies for that matter) but also the burden of proof is on faith based positions, that's like... classic fundamental logic.
Golan was tried for forgery. He was acquitted. But tell me anyway, how did he manage to fake that patina on the box if it was a forgery? It was dated as being roughly 2000 years old.
WTF!! I started thinking for myself and turned to religion??? Studying science does not usually introduce god into the equation it usually boots him out!
BTW, the title behind the two on the screen is misleading. We shouldn't be talking about "science VERSUS religion" , that is a false dichotomy that gets asserted without any justification over and over again. It's total BS.
The absolute lack of ANY cross-species access to solutions is all the evidence you need for evolution. How this relates to the observed nested hierarchy will screw with your mind if you try to dismiss evolution. If you try to claim "common designer" then forget intelligent design because the strict adherence to a nested hierarchy is anything but intelligent. It's as mindless as can be.
Sorry, that is not my conclusion. And I never made that assertion. Though the evidence for a historical Jesus is very thin (for the greatest product of the 1st century, you'd expect a LOT more evidence than what we currently have), I'm in the camp that believes that there was a person (or persons) the biblical Jesus was based on. I also agree with Hitchens in that the contradictions in the Bible about the Jesus narrative suggests there was a person the story was based on.
My response here would be the same as the one I made the first time. The part about him actually being the son of god (having powers, walking on water, turning bread into his body etc) is at the standing of myth Again. It's agreed that the person existed but simply an extremely charismatic person that gained a following, whom was executed on a cross (very common during this time). No evidence that he was resurrected (common fairy tale at the time) nor predicted it. The special stuff is all myth
Darwin did not recant his views on his death bed but neither of us can prove that one way or another. I'm sorry that you think that evolution is a dying theory as you are clearly mistaken. It is accepted by over 99% of the scientific community and it is taught in schools and universities around the world. If hypothetically we say that he did recant that does not make his theory any less valid. The evidence speaks for itself. It is not based on the words of one man. See my bacteria example.
If you read that poorly, no wonder you are a theist. Once again, he TRIED to show that evolution of IC systems was impossible, but his results showed that it was not only possible but much more rapid than he would have liked.
7 years late but if we have the chance to save someone and we know what comes after we will try our best to because we are only trying to help. forever is a really long time to go to a place of torment. think about forever real quick
That's why I quit christianity. There was no evidence it was valid but there is tons of evidence that evolution is valid. It was a slam dunk for evolution.
Evolution does not contradict Christianity at all. No Christian in their right mind believes in pure Creationism. I am Catholic, and ALL Catholic teachings are perfectly compatible with Science and no Catholic who knows their faith will dispute the validity of Scientific theories and laws. I could be wrong but you seem to think that all Christians are the "the world is 6000 years old and Jesus went poof and people appeared" types of Christians, which are the minority. Do some Christians believe that crap, yes, do all, no. Catholics certainly don't, Catholics created Universities and Science like the Big Bang Theory was first created by a Jesuit priest.
I was Christian until my pre teens then I turned atheists until 19 then I turned back to cristian lol
+Tyler Fay Hahaha. I feel thats how it will be with my generation lol.
+Tyler Fay Was the real world not working out for you?
+Tyler Fay i was raised chrisitian, then i had my first encounter with atheism just a few years ago. This had me being skeptical and i was on the verge of not believing and not caring for any of that stuff. Even before the encounter, i would always think and think about God and Jesus and if they were even real. I always, ALWAYS got that sinking, sick feeling in my stomach that wouldn't go away. I HATED it. I was afraid out of my mind. Since this year on my 16th birthday, i completely believe that Jesus is real. And not once have i gotten that feeling again. i feel like my faith is absolutely solidified. like i'm a born-again christian
I felt the same about Santa and Ra the sun god. When I don't believe in shit I feel all empty inside, so I have to start believing shit again.
I was born an Atheist, brought up a Catholic, became a Buddhist, then returned to my true condition of not knowing (Atheism). Lately I've been investigating militant Xenuism.
I love hearing these testimonies of atheists turning to God.
fake
@@XerxesGammon200 not fake, God Bless You
Janie Stanton its called cognitive dissonance
Have you ever watched the ones of why Christians have left... it may help you understanding
@@jokerxxx354 Using psychological buzzwords doesn't mean a thing. I am a Programmer and systems maintainer. Just because I call someone as slow as a Pentium doesn't make it so. Are you one of those guys who basically repeats phrases like "believing in God is like believing in the Tooth Fairy!", or "Some of us just go one god further."?
Atheist turned Christian. Good for you Alistar, you're on the right path. Got saved half a year ago myself. I really found God. There's no doubt he is real.
The Reasonable Christian Awesome to hear!! Youre already on the right path. Trust in Him and you will never be steered wrong! If you and Jesus were the last 2 on earth He would die for you. Jesus Loves Us All!
+The Reasonable Christian Gob bless you! Lord Jesus the Christ came into my life and saves me 2 and a half years ago. Praise to God. He's alive no doubt!
+EreynateTasGrafas Only in your mirror.
+Toka Arbnore What is this rubbish you are spouting? Jesus is God. Jesus died and rose for us. I'm praying you aren't misguided by some other belief structure (Islam).
+The Reasonable Christian - Thanks for putting that out here. It's good to know that there are Atheists that are in search of the truth and who find Jesus. It only takes one small step.
McGrath is a typical example of an otherwise intelligent man confusing "I beleive because I like the idea" with "I beleive because I see evidence it's true."
It is actually a dangerous thing to get those wrong.
Error will invariably result, as it does every day, where religion, politics and health are concerned.
We call agree there IS an objective reality. There is no justification for presenting a claim you LIKE as if it were an objective fact. And this is the core of religion.
Praying for atheists to come to Jesus Christ. He is indeed the only Way to heaven.
Well what about atheists who were Christians and found the truth in atheism.
How do you know that uttering an incantation to summon a magical spirit to play with atheist's minds so they believe something you cannot prove is true is going to actually work? Also, why should anyone come to Jesus, when there is no evidence showing he still exists, and he is a child-murdering genocidal freak who plans on brutally torturing the overwhelming majority of mankind forever without end, according to the Bible.?
@@doctorwebman thank you
@@doctorwebman You're out of your damn mind. Jesus Christ is more real and alive than you will ever know. Can't wait to see the look on your face when your veils are lifted and the truth is know.
@@quantumleap4023 No, you are out of your mind, if you think a child-murdering supernatural spirit that intends to brutally torture the overwhelming majority of the human population forever is anything other than a demon.
What evidence or proof do you have to show that Jesus is still alive? Prove it.
I wonder, did anyone who has commented here watch the video, or are you here only to to undermine and ignore the message Mr. McGrath put forward- There is too much aggression, needless name calling and so forth and not enough genuine, civil and constructive debate on the subject? If there is a clash of worldviews, it is best to agree to disagree, or at least there should be a purpose to this- something substantial to gain.
McGrath's views are far to complex for perpetual adolescents.
No, we understand the message of the guy. The problem is that the guy is a hypocrite, if you would dig a little bit deeper then this softball goodfeel interview.
Not to mention the problem of him being a creationist, wanting to invoke religion in science classes is not a good thing.
***** how is being a creationist lead to religion in science classes, creationists brought us science thus far, I would think they would be the ones to keep religion out (like evolution, etc.)
What I'm trying to say is isn't that the solution to people wanting to invoke religion in science classes, that he's a creationist?
***** Sorry, he clearly said in this interview that he isn't a creationist.
veggiemite777 atheism is not a worldview, christianity is
Guys, I have something to say. When I woke up this morning, I was a die-hard atheist. However, as my day went on, I was blessed with a revelation. A sudden and profound understanding of things that I had not percieved before. It was as though a veil was lifted and suddenly, everything I had previously believed (and not believed) was dealt a strong blow. I'm still shaken, but I'm coming to terms with it and I think I'm going to make the first step.
...I'm going to write a letter to Santa Clause.
For the same reason that the idea of invisible pink unicorns currently flying around our head is out of the question - There's not a single shred of evidence.
5:09 As a Christian myself, I have to say that I completely 100% disagree with him in saying that Dawkins is disrespectful towards Christians. I've seen a whole lot of Dawkins, and although he often gets visibly frustrated while arguing with Christians, I've never seen him be disrespectful. I really like the guy despite disagreeing with him on the existence of God. It's not hard to see that he is a good man with a good heart. I think that he would make a truly fantastic Christian if only he'd give God a chance. We should all be praying for him, as it would be huge loss to see an otherwise good man go to hell simply because he was spiritually ignorant and full of pride. Here's hoping he finds his way.
ANd Christians are so innocent. Not hypocritical or hateful to anyone. YOU DELUSIONAL FUCKTARD!
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yo, Spike. get with the program, dude.
If God wanted Dawkins to be a Christian apologist, Dawkins would be a Christian apologist.
The god you believe in is not the all powerful God that created all things and continues to exercise TOTAL CONTROL no matter what the Hebrew Bible says.
science disproves god? and this guy thinks for himself? science does no such thing.
Understand it
Science proves God
This guy has a point. I'm a Christian who also believes in science. I see them as one in the same. I respect others, even though I may not agree with them, and expect the same from others. I see science and God as a debit card and pin key. One can not work without the other.
+Nick K: Exactly what I think and believe too!! You're very wise and smart...
Sorry but this analogy fails. Both the credit card and pin key are demonstrable and (more often than not) reliable.
Science is demonstrable and reliable, God isn't. And you definitely don't need God to make science work.
I notice that he didn't actually bring up any piece of evidence for why he started believing in a god. He simply claimed that a god is more interesting. That isn't a reason to believe in a god. To quote Dawkins, (who was admittedly quoting someone else), "Science is interesting, and if you don't think so, you can fuck off'".
0:33 "God was rather more exciting than I thought and so I eventually became a Christian." Does being more exciting make it true?
exactly right? sounds ridiculous
This is a great example of how people have to figure out answers for themselves. If you're indoctrinated one way or the other, there is a strong chance you will push away from it. Let people figure things out on their own without indoctrinating them. They'll be much stronger after it.
Indoctrinate sounds forceful .If I had a child or two I would just live my life as I do and that should rub off on them to a large degree.If Dad is honest ,good chance they will be too , If dad is kind to all rich and poor ,they will probably follow suit .Never shove a book in a child's face and say ,,,your learning that !
David Berlinski is a mathematician, who perhaps more eloquently explains his belief in an intelligent design necessity....David also explains how evolution is PRESENTED as concrete, but in reality has plenty of guesses and nonsensical science...
Magic man did it.
+Obbelisk
who says that?
Let me replace "dancing unicorns" with "masturbating rhinos". What if there was a religion that believes that there's an invisible masturbating rhino standing on our heads, and that we should worship those rhinos and provide them with hand lotion as sacrifice. Would you still say "we can't rule it out"?
At what point does it become too ridiculous?
At the end times, if we are still alive, we will want to have a second chance to listen about God and His plan for salvation,beware! For me, it requires more faith to not believe in God than to do believe in Him.
Which God?
@@vernonkroark yeah HIS personal god
@@vernonkroark Shouldn't that be a lower case g? You've already failed your ideology.
@@norben1162 not HIS. Millions of people's. We share the same God. The only one! :)
@@VTM9126 Are you saying that everyone believes in the same God?
'' I dont like how he's disrespectful'' - newly turned christian McGrath, Judging others are we?
Shut up
1Orderchaos he is not incorrect in his statement
The interviewer is kind and understanding on both sides
But logical on only one
Yes i know what you mean and i really appreciate that and people. *But on another point of view there* *should be no Understanding for Sin.* _Unfaithfulness is Sin_
Alistar refused to give us any rationale as to how he made the leap from atheist to Christian. It's likely the only interesting thing about him. Think about it. It's a huge leap. To be intellectually honest in the process, you have to study all religions, and cross them off your list one by one before you become, in his case, Anglican. The reasoning for the removal of each of all other religions from his list would have been interesting.
It's tragic that the term "intelligent design" seems to have been hijacks by young earth creationists.
Why all the dislikes?
Athiests that get mad and have a tantrum
Some atheist doesn't like the idea of the truth.
Atheists saw how how one of their own opened his eyes and found Truth. Some of them may know as well, but don’t want to admit they’ve been doing it wrong.
If its youtube there will always be dislikes no matter what its just the truth
But it doesn't mean its just atheists disliking the video
+ThrMDyn: More stubborn and impolite atheists who don't value life... All religious people should value all life; whether it's an animal, a human, or an alien!! ALL LIVES ARE HIGHLY VALUED!!!! But atheist lives are ignorant and accuse the righteous people of stupidity and ignorance when they're the ones who act like everything they say about us!!
He's right, science doesn't answer everything but religion answers nothing.
This guy is riding on Dawkins coattails.
Im pretty sure it does answer everything, but you dont want to accept the answers.
A scientific theory is about the farthest thing from a 'guess' that we can get. In order for something to become a scientific theory it must pass rigorous testing, fact checking, outside scrutiny and consistently display the same results. Yet despite all of this we still call it a Scientific Theory because science is always open to future evidence and discovery to adjust those theories to be as accurate as possible.
This is a process theism could never pass because it's closed and fact less.
A bit of me lightens up inside of when I watch things like this :D
I get that same feeling. It's knowing that there's a God. And it enlightens our spirit with relief
HalleluYAH.
Oh this is great thank you so much :D Hope everyone has a great day god bless :D
100 Bonus points to the man with the best argument!
Yeah, that comment was incorrect, though there are so many religious people out there who claim to have been atheists, that if they were all telling the truth, the churches would be crammed full with former atheists, so it is easy to doubt. However, I think this guy confused being a skeptic, and a critical thinker with being an atheist, when not all atheists are good critical thinkers. All you need to be a "true atheist" is to lack belief in god(s) whether your reasons are good or foolish.
I fought back laughter every time they showed George while McGrath was talking. He looked like he wanted to pounce lol
Haha true
@ 7:27 he says something very key "There are so many ways of making sense of the bible..." quite true. You can read almost anything you want into it because there are so many mutually exclusive contradictory statements within.
ray salmon
The very best contradiction of the bible is how the intelligent designer gave us a foreskin then asks us to whack the damned thing off because it's healthier to not have it, but then says "anyone with a mutilated member can not enter the assembly of god"
Sheesh! Talk about being impossible?
The bible is full of contradictions.
Genesis 9:2 The fear of you & the terror of you will be on every beast of the earth & on every bird of the sky; with everything that creeps on the ground, & all the fish of the sea, into your hand they are given.
{not exactly a contradiction, but everyone with a dog that loves them knows this is bullshit}
Genesis 9:3 Every moving thing that is alive shall be food for you; I give all to you, as I gave the green plant.
{This ommits the huge number of toxic & deadly plants & animals}
Exodus 20:4 "You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.
Exodus 20:4 “You shall not make for yourself an idol, OR ANY LIKENESS OF what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth.
numbers 21:8 The LORD said to Moses, "Make a snake & put it up on a pole; anyone who is bitten can look at it & live." 9 So Moses made a bronze snake & put it up on a pole. Then when anyone was bitten by a snake & looked at the bronze snake, they lived.
"last words" of this fraud "prophet"; John says he said "It is finished", Luke says he says "Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit", & Mark & Matthew say he says "My god, my god, why hast thou forsaken me?"
The blood-shedder must die(Gen9:5,6)
The blood-shedder must not die(Gen4:15)
Killing commanded(Ex32:27)
Killing forbidden(Ex20:13)
Hatred to the Edomite sanctioned(2Kings14:7,3)
Hatred to the Edomite forbidden(Deut23:7)
Lying approved & sanctioned(Josh2:4-6/James2:25/Ex1:18-20/1Kings22:21-22)
Lying forbidden(Ex20:16/Prov12:22/Rev 21:8)
Robbery commanded(Ex3:21-22/Ex12:35-36)
Robbery forbidden(Lev19:13/Ex20:15)
There is but one God.(Deut6:4)
There is a plurality of gods (Gen1:26/Gen3:22/Gen18:1-3/1John 5:7)
God's attributes are revealed in his works.(Rom1:20)
God's attributes cannot be discovered.(Job11:7/Is40:28)
Because of man's wickedness God destroys him.(Gen6:5,7)
Because of man's wickedness God will not destroy him.(Gen 8:21)
God cannot lie. (Heb 6:18)
God lies by proxy; he sends forth lying spirits to deceive. (2 Thes 2:11/ 1 Kings 22:23/ Ezek 14:9)
God is satisfied with his works Gen1:31
God is dissatisfied with his works. Gen6:6
God dwells in chosen temples 2Chron7:12,16
God dwells not in temples Acts7:48
God dwells in light Tim6:16
God dwells in darkness 1Kings8:12/Ps18:11/Ps97:2
ray salmon I don't know. Does it matter?
+ray salmon
ok basic contradictions:
God loves everyone and forgives everyone.
God creates the worst place ever where sinners will spend eternity, and once you're in there you don't have the opportunity to ask for forgiveness, now, that is not love.
God knows everything you will do in the future and he has already planned every day of your life before you were born.
God gives you free will even though, everything you'll do in the future is already written.
ray salmon No what? You got nothing else to say other than "no"?
ray salmon well I encourage you to reply with something interesting! Im interested to know your opinion :)
There is no purpose in life. You choose the meaning you give yourself.
Max Barber is that an absolute? Of course not , that’s just your opinion, which you have the right to express
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+Max Barber: If life had no meaning to it, then life wouldn't exist at all...
he does not sound like a previous atheist at all. he discounted it further than saying yes he was, then he did not say how he left atheism and became a christian. odd that he talks in circles
A cold hard hug from Science to tell me how plants use photosynthesis for making their own food, *or a hug* from God on the inside, that tells me I was worth it to shed blood for me? Both. But only Jesus will save me from my sins and grant me eternal life through his death, burial and resurrection of his gospel. 1 Cor 15: 1-4
(Creationist)
@Jesus is my GOD Yeah, many Atheists used to call us dumb, now they've retreated and simply say: "why do smart people believe in stupid things?"
You have to read more than one book. Faith is believing in something without evidence. With that logic you could make sense of the Easter bunny or bigfoot. Believing in something because it makes you feel good doesn't make it true
@@dermydiffer The biblical definition of faith is not believing without evidence. In the Greek version of the bible they use the word "pistis" which means the same as trust. When the bible uses the word faith it doesn't mean belief without reason, it means trust. Imagine you're a child standing at the top of a six foot drop and your father tells you "jump I'll catch you" and that you need to have faith in him but he is standing several meters away from the drop. That is the definition of faith everyone thinks the bible is using. The one it is actually using is more like this... Your father stands at the bottom of the drop with his arms open saying "jump I'll catch you" knowing he is there you have faith (trust) that he will catch you. This is the definition of faith that the bible uses. Aside from feelings (which are only subjective arguments) there are plenty of strong objective arguments for the existence of god, such as the cosmological one, the ontological one and the teleological one.
@@dermydiffer I know this sort of question was posed at Richard Dawkins, but it is still pertinent here. Do you have faith in your family and friends?
@@dermydiffer Who hasn't read more than one book? But that book (Bible) that I have read since I was young and now I have greys starting in, has been a source of joy, encouragement, help, ethics, moral compass, love, good guidance, restraint of my internal evil inclinations choosing many times to withhold revenge for forgiveness, and learning patience and mercy, with have all benefited not only me, but my children and those with in my circle of influence as well, for countless conflicts that are a part of the world by nature. It has been there many times to teach me how to pause and think things through with an internal and external use of the Holy Spirit into countless choices all along the way, adding a dimension of help and counsel more times that I can count over the course of at least from age 10 to 43, and never has that Lord let me down... though I have let him down. I have learned love and long sufferings and compassion from him, studying his words and watching for his Spirit continually interact with me when I invited him to cure me.
Never has he left me without wisdom, or caused me to pause and compile reasonable responses to numerous life's choices, especially what to do with this evil inside me that I see when I break the 10 commands. I have that prophetic in your face evidence because I see over the course of my life having it played out, and Jesus promises that he will gift me a new nature, one like his own. I want that. What is it to you, if I want that betterment, offer it to others, and we all ( who want him) just get better.
Faith is used for somethings to get you to him, this submission thing to a really kind and authority rich, person is not a threat, its been a great blessing, I can't say enough about him and his very direct interactions with me over my childhood, into my adulthood. And I don't want to burn in hell for what I know I deserve to. I am sorry you refuse to bow the knee and thus *starve yourself* of this mercy and gift. Yet, he and it is within your own finger tips to take or not, to your benefit or detriment. But then we all ha
If the world was for over two thousand years murdering off people who believed the Easter Bunny was real as you say, then it would be worth looking into what the threat was that would cost men their blood, rather than erected foolish brainwashing material of worthless red herrings, which skirts the deeper issues of life.
So, yeah, In the end I and a whole lotta of people are putting our faith in that an who turned the world upside down, loves us, communes with us, gives his blood for us as a act of love via sacrifice. I want that.
...yet another god salesman using the "I was once an atheist" sales pitch. Yawn...
A salesman that doesn’t profit from his sales pitch is no salesman at all
@@chancegreer5735 I guess I can get his book for free, let's say, 5 thousand copies... ? Wait, did I just ask a question or make a statement... hmmmm I'm not sure, I'll just leave it at that for people to figure out by themself because I value their intellect and judgement. Oh, no, I don't, I live by a doctrine and beliefs and science is ok up until the church dictates or menaces me of excommunication. Good times
That should make you think. I wonder why it doesn't. Very sad.
@@Raquel-kk3cd yes, the atheism is very sad
I'm a former Atheist and would suggest people watch "Lee Strobel: Why does creation makes sense". It is a 40+ minute video but It'll make you really think. If Jesus is really who he claimed to be then you owe it to yourself to investigate him.
Why were you an atheist?
Atheists always say that God must be evil because there are people who suffer and that we die... The thing is that God didn't create evil; He created something that created evil... that is what liberty in life can do... People who suffer isn't God's cause; it's theirs... they chose to allow their suffering to continue... But for those with cancer and other long-term disease, all you can do is pray to God; but there are only so many people in the world that He can help at a time, that's the problem with atheistic thought...
All praise be to GOD our father in heaven. Man oh man oh man it's just a blessing and an awesome and I mean AWESOME feeling and life to live for our father in heaven. Love, grace,mercy, salvation,a personal relationship with Jesus that leads to eternal life with our awesome father in heaven. Man it's so awesome and spectacular that it gives me chills. I love you'll and please turn your life to Jesus and he will change your life beyond anything you could possibly imagine!!
I think it is extremely hypocritical that someone can profess their faith in Jesus Christ while, at the same time, support a despicable sociopath as President of the United States.
I thank God He created Dr. McGrath!
Me too :)
I thank his mother not god
An atheist turned ';born-again' Christian is like a round-earther turned flat-earther-- a retreat into backwardness.
+laslo lowenstein - No it's rather like the natural progression of simplicity to complexity - evolution of intelligence if you will. Moving from Atheist ( simplicity ) to a higher intellectual complexity ( Christianity ) - That explains why Atheism is declining and Christianity is increasing, as humans are moving from intellectual inferiority to intellectual superiority - But I assume you don't believe in Evolution do you?
Lendl Metcalf Christianity is in decline, it is not nearly as influential as it was 500 years ago. At least you recognize that natural forms gradually progress from simplicity to complexity. Intelligence is very complex and did not emerge until organisms had evolved for billions of years.
So your fact is based upon your own opinion.
My point is based upon the facts.
Here is the proof from the latest survey by the Pew Research Center:
"According to 2011 Pew Research Center survey, there are 2.18 billion Christians around the world in 2010, up from about 600 million in 1910. And according to 2012 Pew Research Center survey if current trends continue, Christianity will remain the world's largest religion by year 2050. By 2050, the Christian population is expected to exceed 3 billion"
So that's that.
Yes with God all things are possible, even possibly billions of years of time. It's amazing to think that He created all this space in order for the big bang to have occurred.
Lendl Metcalf As world population increases, the proportion of Christians is decreasing,.Most Christians are not conservative Evangelical members of the Religious Right, and the religion has much less influence than it did in the Middle ages. That is why they are losing all their cultural battles against gays, abortion rights, contraception, free speech and science. Notice all the US Presidential candidates who have made a special appeal to Christian rightists have failed.
laslo lowenstein Christianity is certainly not declining - It's the increasing majority religion.
'Christian population growth is the population growth of the global Christian community. According to 2011 Pew Research Center survey, there are 2.18 billion Christians around the world in 2010, up from about 600 million in 1910.[1] And according to 2012 Pew Research Center survey if current trends continue, Christianity will remain the world's largest religion by year 2050. By 2050, the Christian population is expected to exceed 3 billion
So there you go.
That is no more true for an atheist than for a Christian. Having more life doesn't add meaning to life. In the end, we all choose what gives our lives meaning. Perhaps you think that serving the vanity of your god by praising it for eternity is a good enough purpose for life - I don't think that is a good reason to live myself. No one can escape the fact that their purpose in life and their morals are of their own choosing no matter what.
The fact he just called Atheism a religion, shows he never was one, and doesn't even understand it.
Yeah, it's an ideology not a religion but they look at theories as facts.
He's justified in calling it that. He could also call it an ideology, worldview, etc. That doesn't prove he never was one. I was one as well… it's why I watch these videos now when I didn't care about them before, as an atheist. Sure, atheism is one simple thing, a negative actually, and doesn't contain any edicts or a worldview. However, when he refers to it as a religion, we know exactly which atheists he is talking about, because they do all gain each other's approval and form the same opinions, use the same 'apologetics' and parrot the same popular 'thinkers' in these parts of the world. All of those things do not define atheism per se, but those same people will turn around and dictate to others who may be atheists that they aren't one (based on a criteria that supposedly cannot exist under the definition of atheism alone) or lambast people who deem the term 'agnostic' as more fitting for themselves.
With all of that said… It is not our job to make these distinctions for you, when you are 1) the ones creating this identity of atheism, and/or 2) don't represent the distinction yourselves - as it is your job to but people cannot do it because there is an emotional attachment to the very word 'atheist'… It's 'bold', it's 'cool', it's 'seductive/attractive', it's saying "I'm a rebel, I am defiant, I am non-conformist, I'm a genius overnight"… When really that is just something you bought into, and you're just as conformist as ever.
The difference is religion means believing in god(s) or anything supernatural. People parrot each other all the time on any subject, we can't all be specialists in every field of science or philosophy. So saying there's no proof for magic makes me a conformist or a rebel etc? I call myself an "Anti-theist", having been surrounded by believers my entire life, I've seen the effects on their minds and the world. And I "believe" god(s) (following the general definition) are impossible . I would be interested to learn what made you a non-believer and now a believer tho.
sincerely D.
Xarxxon Xon That's not entirely true. You can find atheistic or atheist friendly religions if you run the request through google. Also, atheism doesn't say nonbelief in the supernatural. It only says nonbelief in a supreme being/god/deity.
Dictionary definition:
a :a disbelief in the existence of deity
b :the *doctrine* that there is no deity
Why does it say doctrine in the 2nd one? Words/vocabulary change. What causes it to change? Do we change it and then say ok send out the memo? Or do our actions and the way we adopt terms or change pronunciations dictate the change? I'd say the latter… We form the identity of words. It's the whole reason for having them. He could probably stand to use a better term than 'religion' to reference the subject, but he's not too far off of the mark. That was my biggest thing as an atheist - making sure no one could pin it down to address it. The dance around. The ankle biter. Whew…. Lol.
Every atheist that turns to theism has different reasons for doing so. I think atheists get so offended at the occurrence because they've created popular and well accepted thought through anti-theism that there is no logic, rationality, or even much of any sanity, in the life of a theist, and theistic thought. It's just not true.
ray salmon Thanks :)
I say it because Darwinism being taught in schools and rigorously defended by Atheist, Humanist, Scientism, and secular humanist is a religion.
Take Darwin's book origin of species. That is not the title if the book, its
On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life.
Darwin's book favored the stronger should by nature rule over the weak, poor, sick, and uneducated because nature demands it. He hardly spoke on the scientific reasoning on evolution but sure did say a lot about philosophical reasons. It opened the door for science now to rationalize eugenics, abortion, human medical experiments without consent, you name it.
When you hear politicians tell us things like " science tells us drinking this or eating that" is why we are passing this law today.
You better pay attention because scientist are now the law and policy makers. No longer objective but pardoners with the same powers that govern over the people. It has become Scientism not science at that point. You hear words like "Fundamentally change, new world order, thousand points of light" all based on a secular, Humanist religious idea. It sure the hell is not based on science or observation in nature.
>Darwin's book favored the stronger should by nature rule over the weak, poor, sick, and uneducated because nature demands it
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No. Clearly you never read the book---nor do you even understand English language word meanings of the 1800's. ("Race" meant "variety of living thing".)
By the way, Darwin and family was the biggest abolitionist donors in the UK in his day. Read the eulogies which American Christian ministries published in newspapers upon his death.
As a disciple of Jesus Christ, I abhor those who lie---including lies about the dead.
Umm.. Try reading Darwin Decent of Man and come back and try that abolitionist smoke and mirror routine on me.
Darwin even said he had no argument against slavery. He couldn't because he held that acceleration of survival of the fit was a logical progression in evolution.
So the next time you make shit up, at least do the required work and make an effort before you come to class.
For the ignorant that might read his bullshit. Darwin's Sacred Cause book was written to put Darwin in a better light, just as over time the title was contracted to"Origins of Species by natural selection" from its complete title "or Favored races in the struggle for survival"
So your argument is worthless. Just the idea they tried to deceive people gave me reason to look closer at the evidence.
Besides, the pressure on the UK to reform slavery was from the religious arguments, not humanist ideas.
Its hard for atheist to accept the fact that real atheist can turned to Christ. They expect them to not change and stick to the evolutionary theory. They didn't want to be atheist and more quit crying. "Oh he wasn't really a atheist. Just because people refuse to stay stubborn and bias doesn't mean they weren't atheist, and yes that's what that is. Atheist can find the Lord too. Just not those type who say there's no evidence as a way of sticking to their deviloution theory. Lol
i think this video, and many like it, are propaganda
ray salmon a lot of other shit written also
glyn jones and loads of shits in evolution
{Marcus} Thee Encourager If you were to bother actually watching the video, you'd find that Alistair is very much an Evolutionist. 6:56 in the video.
ray salmon He probably doesn't read the bible. If he did, he would likely still be an Atheist.
By the method of irrational personal bias. MY God is real because I feel him in MY life all the time. It's sad to watch someone fall into that cycle of infinite logical loopholes and fallacies.
For the people asking why doesn't God show himself to us now. Is because if God did that right now. It would make our free will obsolete. In meaning our choices to be a Christian, an atheist or whatever else, would be changed. Let's say you chose to be an atheist. And you keep it going as an atheist until you saw God. What would you do? Well then they would have been proven wrong and changed their ways because God presented himself to the Atheist crowd. The whole point of him not showing himself is for those that believe in him follow and for those who don't go a different path. That is Free Will and choices. If you choose to be a Christian pursue it. I have been my whole life and I know he is real. I have in my experiences in my life witnessed his works.
When is the last time you felt alive? Instead of going day by day doing what you normally do or something new. When is the last time you looked around? No technology, no buildings, just you and the world. People say he isn't real and they want proof. It is all around you. I mean if you want to believe that we were made from an explosion in the universe, and that everything from our solar system being perfectly aligned, then having our planet to sustain life and then have us. This perfect machine made from nothing? I rather have God as my answer than theories that will eventually be debunked. You want to see God's work? Feel your fingers. Feel the ground beneath you. Look into your loved ones. Look outside at the nature. The sky from dusk to dawn. Feel yourself breathing. Acually notice you are alive and not just 'oh I am just here' feeling.
Once you acually see what I am talking about. You will experience God right there... Have a great day.
+Dustin McConnell Are you not now constrained to choose based on lack of evidence? How is that freedom? It sounds like you can flip a coin and take whatever the coin flip dictates or not. Calling that a decision is pushing it too far if you ask me. The fact is you do not choose what you believe. You are either convince by whatever passes for evidence of you are not. Thence you either accept it as possible or you conclude it is not possible.
If it didn't matter at all whether you believed in god or not or say if god was claimed to punish only those who believe in him - would you? Feel free to answer either question or both.
What about gods, do they just appear"?
i dont think god appears i think just how your thoughts change no lie im just like you i would read the bible in have question like if god was so perfect why would he make satan but then answer would start appearing out of no where so i learn one thing dont question god
Please analyze the evidence for the resurrection of Jesus, and see what the following men have to say on it (search them on UA-cam) - it is because of them my faith is strong:
-William Lane Craig
-Lee Strobel
-N.T Wright
Love listening to N.T Wright especially!
TheMDyn
I have heard these arguments utterly destroyed so many times I can't believe someone would still be listening to them. Your way behind you need to catch up.
Hedcase71 Where? share some links or something would you? I would love to see them "utterly" destroyed.
TheMDyn If you really would love to see the resurrection story demolished, which I doubt you actually do, then this is your lucky day, the facts are absolutely overwhelming in support of the story being fabricated. Only people with a strong xian agenda will even attempt to prove it really happened by twisting the truth in what could only be described as "biblical proportions".
Well? All I see is an opinion...
Poor man. He found it to be exciting and complicated but never actually explained a reason upon evidence.
GOD exists!
HOLY SHIT GOD PROVEN RIGHT HERE!🙈😆
Yes we can not be here without a creator.
Thank you god for making me atheist ! 😁
@HASF fanatic It's ingrained in society. A figure of speech. Not to mention wordplay in the context of this comment. This is why atheists despise religious people. Cause you're all actually brain dead on some level.
@HASF fanatic " If you decide to keep using it, it's your decision." "I didnt use any God terms when I was athiest." You trying to have your cake and eat it too there buddy? Why does what you did with your vocabulary have any bearing on what me or Zack do with ours? I do have a choice and I choose to say things like "god" and "holy shit" for comedic effect. I don't hate you because I disagree with you don't put words in my fucking mouth. Yeah everyone is dumb in their own way, but at least I don't go around proclaiming my ignorance as truth. And that not agreeing with me will get you a one way ticket to ETERNAL DAMNATION. On the contrary, I would say the average christian would be scores lower than your average atheist. "intelligents", point proven.
œ æ I’m going to respond to these in order. But not bulleted cause I’m on mobile. 1. Yes I have. What does that have to do with the validity of my claims? 2. Yes I have. What does that have to do with the validity of my claims? 3. If that is referencing my “eternal damnation” comment. That is not what I implied. In fact I wasn’t implying anything other than exactly what I said. That Christians believe atheists will burn. I didn’t say they had to hate me for believing that. Again, religious people putting words in my mouth to ride a high horse. 4. Yes they on average literally do. The more educated you are the exponentially more likely you are to be atheist. Not my fault that’s a fact. 5. I may have implied I was smarter, but that in no way equates to me implying I’m superior. Again why must you put words in my mouth? 6. I’m not upset he’s refuting, I’m upset he’s ignorant of science, and believes faith and/or scripture is in any way an accurate means of assessing the truth.
@HASF fanatic It is ironic yeah. But naturally, it would be ironic to those on differing sides of an ideal for different reasons. As I said it's ironic for us because we don't believe, it's ironic for yall because you claim god is in us all and that is how it shows for atheists or something equally ridiculous. I can't speak for every single person but I doubt anyone hates you for your beliefs, they probably hate you for what you do based on your beliefs, like telling CHILDREN they'll BURN FOR ETERNITY if for example they think their same sex classmate is cute. Religion makes morally normal people do and say wicked things in the name of their god. Because they believe they have divine permission. You say that doesn't make them a true christian, but does that matter if they're doing it in name of christianity? Christians don't seem to care in this sense when muslims say similar things about extremists. What makes your religion exempt from it's bad apples? You're right you didn't say that, I misread it, my mistake. Atheists do not make arguments from ignorance, there is substantial evidence that all gods in the earthly realm are man made. Just because you disagree with it doesn't mean it's not real. Convenient how your religions defense mechanism against proof your god is man-made is that we never really knew your god in the first place. What about people like Matt Dillahunty who were strong believers for decades before coming to their senses? You can't just discredit them as "fake" because it's convenient for your argument when they believed just as much as you did/do. Why on earth would I use "intelligence" as a means to say "treatment of others". I mean intelligence for what it fucking means. What makes you think otherwise? Very curious to know. Again the convenient dispelling of things that don't favor your argument. This is delusional behavior. Also, you're completely incorrect if you think god didn't explicitly order his followers to enslave jews and give exact instructions on how to do so, and even how much their worth, IN THE BIBLE. Exodus 21 ;) So by your own argument, if you down own a jew, you're not a real follower! Phony! True atheists don't have the same rule. Imagine that, people letting other people act how they want(don't try to put an immoral spin on this you should know what I mean). And you couldn't have ended on a more incorrect note. When has their EVER been a war in the name of atheism? When has any atheist ever said you need to stop believing or I'll slaughter your village? Cause I can think of a FUCK LOAD of times religious sects have gotten so angry that other people don't agree with them, that they literally end their lives and enslave and indoctrinate their children. But you'll never accept this because those people "aren't real christians". Give. Me. A. Break.
@HASF fanatic Being respectful has nothing to do with what we're arguing about. Which is the existence of god, your god in particular. Again, you're abusing the convenience of disassociating someone with your religion because they did not follow it to the T, yet you also say Slavery isn't how the bible makes it sound. You can't have it both ways, which is what you're trying to do. Just because you say they're not a real christian TO YOU, doesn't mean they didn't live their whole lives as a christian. This is where atheists and christians aren't compatible. Christians and religious people in general love to say they get their morals from god. But as soon as one of you breaks the law and does evil, you're disowned by the church to save face. Atheists can't play this cheap card because we (for the most part) don't believe in moral absolutes, and therefore wouldn't expect anyone who thinks like we do, to be perfect in every shape and form. At least as atheists we admit to our bad apples, cause doing otherwise would be DELUSIONAL. Again, YOU may not attack or condemn them, but another church, who agrees with you on 99.99% of everything else, but says gays are evil are all of a sudden discredit because the secular world knows this to be untrue. Again, CHEAP TACTICS TO SAVE FACE. All because you claim moral absolutism and that with god you can do no wrong. Stupid argument that only denies REALITY. Yes all humans start out as morally normal, and the example given above is one of the things I mean when I say religion makes morally normal people do and say wicked things. Just because you deny reality and say they're "fake" doesn't mean they didn't do what they did because they believed they had god on their side. If you can't admit to as much as that, then you're just cherry picking the facts. No one goes crazy by believing in god? I would say jihadism is pretty crazy, blowing yourself up for 72 virgins in heaven seems pretty crazy would you not agree? I think that's all I have to say about that. You're right the majority of morally corrupt people aren't just christian, they're religious in general. You can't say you're the only religion with a definition, every single one has a moral mold they want you to fit. Again you're literally cherry picking REALITY to fit your claim. Or you're just that ignorant on other religions because you've only heard arguments AGAINST them from your own sect. There is no concrete scientific that A god doesn't exist. But there's plenty of scientific and empirical evidence, sometimes from your own scripture, that can argue very convincingly if not prove that YOUR god, was invented by bronze age peasants. Again with the convenient argument of disowning someone because they don't agree with your interpretation. Matt Dillahunty was a hardcore believer for almost half his life. So much so where he's admitted to "hearing god" in the past, things he now knows through further investigation were just hallucinations, or taking his own thoughts as responses from god. He did this by getting as specific as possible when comparing notes with fellow members of his church on the feeling of the holy spirit. Instead of just saying "You felt that too right"? "That was totally god". I've never heard of an atheist comparing intelligence to treatment of others. That makes no sense. Literally none. Did you even read exodus 21? Or have you only heard other religious people try to justify it? It literally tells you how much to pay to own a person, how long you can own them. THAT'S SLAVERY. LOL and now you're saying they were just WORKERS?! ARE YOU JOKING?!?!?!? And you claim christianity is a religion of moral absolutism? It is virtually universally agreed that slavery is morally wrong, so why would the bible allow it at all?! I honestly can't believe what I'm reading, you're justifying OWNING ANOTHER HUMAN. What's next? Rape is okay so long as you offer to marry the girl you raped in the modern world? Unreal. I don't recall saying washing hands was related to rape in anyway. I did say in another comment chain that jesus said washing your hands before a meal wasn't necessary as "there is nothing that can enter a man through the mouth that can harm him" which proves jesus didn't know about germs. Because germs get you sick by getting on your face, and therefore into your body, by you not washing your hands, and then eating or touching your face. Hows that for a truth for you to accept? Communism is not synonymous with atheism. Godless and atheists constitutions have usually been found in socialist states but that's because controlling the gathering of people, especially in mosques and churches is a very effective way to oppress them. And even if there is an example of an atheist leader slaughtering religious people for the sake of doing it, congratulations, you've found an example of a bad apple. At least my community has THE BALLS to own up to their existence, instead of coming up with some petty excuse like "WeLl ThEy'Re NoT rEaLlY aThEiStS tHeN". The idea of wars being started because of christianity is ignorant? What about the crusades? What about George Bush who was literally quoted saying god approached him, and told him to go to war with Iraq. But not like that example will even matter to you cause you're just gonna backpedal and say "they weren't real christians". What a joke. Sure atheists have started wars, but by definition it would be ridiculous to think it was for or because of any god. I'm curious to know what you think of as an "atheist war" too. You think christians preach love, peace and harmony? I say even if that's true, in what sense is that religious anymore? What does that have to do with the validity of their god? Absolutely nothing. We don't preach killing babies that's absurd. You don't agree with us on the definition of when an embryo graduates from a clump of cells to a clump of cells with a nervous system and so forth. That DOES NOT equate to us preaching for the murder of babies. Again, deny reality and cherry picking the facts to conform the world to your argument. Sure people can wish for you to die, but only because their atheists that makes them bad right? Cause I've spoken with plenty of religious folk who told me I ought to die and burn in hell for "preaching evil"(not quoting you). What does that say about anything other than their apparent "moral absolutism". People aren't perfect and not everyone is nice, big whoop. Did you just call Ben Shaprio an atheist? I don't understand why you said his name there. "Now, athiests are bad because they're athiests. It's just that there is a trend among them, in which they do bad things. Not all of course. Those people arent real Christians. That is your break. Its factual." this little chunk of text you wrote makes absolutely no sense. None. "That's why it's so easy for me to say "you're wrong" Keep dreaming that the world is or ever will be that simple. "You cant be a christian and enslave and murder people for not believing." Oh right but you can be if you let them free after 6 years my bad I forgot. Lol you contradicted yourself so fucking much it's astounding. Not to mention you seemingly condoned slavery, solely because you let them go after a set time. As if that justifies OWNING ANOTHER HUMAN. You have proven my point 10 fold with this statement. Religion, makes morally normal people do and say wicked things. You disgust me.
this guy is very wise
Not really.
Basically, this guy is unable to accept hard truth and is in a state of denial. Richard Dawkins calls this the argument of personal incredulity.
ray salmon You should try to bring some actually examples and logic to your posts, instead of baseless assertions.
ray salmon I've read it. How exactly does he "blunder" , or show that he's "out of his depth" with respect to the New Testament. Some real examples would be good.
ray salmon I think you'd need to provide some concrete examples on how "atheism...conjure militancy" (whatever that means. And again, all you are doing is stating your own subjective opinion. You're not even refuting any actual quotations.
This guy was never an atheist. "I don't believe in god but I'm glad you do." What a non-atheist thing to say!
For the " show me god" argument I might counter show me dark matter and energy that makes up 96% of the universe. Both sides require an element of faith at their core and present day science qualifies more as a religion for atheists and materialists than anything else.
+obergsson
"Both sides require an element of faith "
Nice try at finding common ground. But we don't build churches to dark matter. We don't pray to dark matter. We don't build a whole way of life around dark matter. We don't ask for money for dark matter.
Dark matter and dark energy are a theory based on observable evidence. God is not.
How is present day science a religion, and how is present day science any different than any other science?
even easier ask them how can 4 letters dna genome be coded into billion pairs inside one of trillions of cells in a body with the correct INSTRUCTIONS of structure and growth rates and tissue information ... without a mind or designer or creator behind them ... and if they asnwer natural selection ... then they have admited god exists .. because only minds and personal agents can select anything ...
the atheist faith in natural"selection" being a blind randon purposeless process done by "no one" is absolutelly illogical irracional and ridiculously obcene to be honest ... its like believing that if you throw characters or algorithms into an open source platform that windows 10 will acidentally come to be without any prior mindful purpose at all what so ever
atheism is irracional ..
when2033comesyouaredone
"correct INSTRUCTIONS"
You are using this word incorrectly. All evidence points to the fact that living beings have evolved in their ability to replicate. DNA is the way things replicate. The fact that it is complex is a result of the time period over which life has evolved. DNA is also not perfect. It breaks down over time, causing errors.
"because only minds and personal agents can select anything ... "
How can you wade into a conversation and comment on something that you literally know fuck all about?
Here is natural selection: I have insects on my plants. I buy bug spray. It kills most of the bugs but not all of them. The ones it does not kill have enough variation in their genome as to have some kind of natural immunity to my bug spray. Those insects mate and multiply. I use my bug spray again. This time it kills very few bugs, because all of the bugs that survived had a natural immunity.
This is also how diseases become immune to antibiotics.
The insects that are left have been "selected" by nature.
Now that I have explained this to you, do you promise to educate yourself about things before you open your fat stupid mouth again?
BTW, why can't theists spell? I run into this every time. WTF is "irracional"?
lol, let me point out all the issues with your theory if you dont mind ...
1st, dna is a code, just like computer programs, and each sections of the strands have different instructions and functions (info) that relate to growth rates, tissue type, and molecular structure, but just like a computer program the entire program is coodependent, if one are fails, then the entire program fail ... and NO dna is not the way ANYTHING replicates.. thats outright FALLACIOUS, dna cant replicate without pre induced coded instructions that are in the cell genome, dna does not act for the sake of it,
2nd, im not gonna call you names but your definition of natural "selection" in straight up SAD , you seem to equate micro adaptation to macro evolution... thats is nonsensical, since if you spray your bugs they will not gain more genetic information to change their core genome from a bug to a bird, its absolutelly STUPID to think that just because something survives a hostile environment, that it will some how for no reason whatsoever change from a species to another via basic chance mistake mutations... natural selection cannot acount for biological characteristics fdevelopment in a species ... if you make 5 prius cars and rain them with water and one of them somehow doesnt rust it doesnt follow that those prius will some how turn into a top series LEXUS ... in fact to go from a prius to a lexus you cant just change small individual parts because everything needs to be remodelled and rearranged in order for the entirety of the new lexus to operate properly, THIS IS THE INSANITY OF THE STUPID evolution theory based on natural "selection"
you must say you dont believe in miracles, and that believing in a creator is gullible, but you need infinitly more FAITH to believe that improvement and code addition can come about in any species without a guided well executed process,
also your flawded definition of natural selection does not explain how beings can gain genetic info when it didnt have the complete structural profile before to account for the new features, in other words these beings would have to used the same base material to make up new features but they clearly do not have enough to account for the complex new feature some other animal display ...
you HAVE A LOT TO LEARN because your knowledge and understanding of biology and evolution itself is of 4rth grade level, ofc when you learn about evolution properly you will come to the same conclusion i and million others did, and break free from that fairy tail ..
Ii write fast and am not a native english speaker so i dont give 2 cents if its miss spell words ... my miss spelling doesnt make your falacious arguements less falacious, evolution is still nonsense
when2033comesyouaredone
"each sections of the strands have different instructions"
Your words are wrong. Just like anything else, different parts of living things are capable of different things. DNA is capable of replicating. That is how it has evolved. Your use of the word "instructions" is simply wrong, because you want to then use other meanings of the word that are inherent in it to say that there has to be a designer since "instructions" mean there is one. This is simply false.
"they will not gain more genetic information"
Again, you use the word "information" incorrectly. We know that genetic mutation occurs. Some mutations are beneficial to the creature, while some are not. The term "information" has nothing to do with how things change.
"if you make 5 prius cars and rain them with water and one of them somehow doesnt rust it doesnt follow that those prius will some how turn into a top series LEXUS"
It should be illegal for you to make analogies. Please stay on topic. Simply because you think it is a good analogy, does not make it one. Go back to my previous comment. The evidence for genetic mutations and genetic adaptation (natural selection) is quite strong. That is why the vast majority of scientists (those who actually study these things) think that this is the most likely way things have occurred.
"you HAVE A LOT TO LEARN because your knowledge and understanding of biology and evolution itself is of 4rth grade level"
I'm simply teaching you what scientists know, and why they have come to the conclusions they have. We know that there are problems with how some of these processes take place. We do not pretend to know everything. But the evidence is quite clear. It has been generated over more than 100 years or so, across many scientific disciplines, from all around the world by tens of thousands of scientists. Evolution is considered a fact in the same way that global warming is, or that the earth revolves around the sun. There are around 300,000 scientific research papers that support evolution, and 98% of scientists that study in these fields agree that evolution is a fact.
If you think that your amateurish little UA-cam post somehow completely erases all of that, then you are on a level of stupid previously uninhabited by any human.
Beautiful Man, I wanna read his book.
This guy is clearly mental.
I was a fundamentalist baptist until high school. I was very much "If you don't believe in God, you're sad, you're bad, and you're mad." Then when I went to university and started thinking for myself. I had just been accepting God without thinking about it, it just seemed to make sense. But when I started asking why I believed in it in the first place and stopped ignoring the scientific facts, the universe became much less complicated and really interesting too.
I went to fundamentalist baptist school. I find it fascinating that the word Christian only appears 3 times in the Bible. They were first known as people of "the way" Stop looking at "Christianity" and look at Jesus. He was radical. He called "the religious" all sorts of names and yet never sinned. He "broke" the Sabbath to do good and heal. He loves children. He says Come to me not some religious system. He has a story of the Prodigal Son that shows "crazy" grace and includes dancing. He was known as a friend of sinners. God sent Jesus into the world not to condemn sinners but to save them. He was obsessed with His Heavenly Father who he is constantly saying is loving and kind and good.
I did read the book. I also read his letters that spoke in this very problem he had within himself.
Darwin had seen slavery in the 1800's and had no answer to it. He didn't like it, but couldn't make a moral argument against it based on his observation of the Red & Black Ants.
You might look closer at Darwin. He had many doubts about his theory and at one point was concerned it could be taken as fact, given the limit scientific testing of the time.
Good luck
Honestly, what Darwin thought is COMPLETELY irrelevant. He could have renounced all of his findings. The reason it is irrelevant is because evolution is true. There is literally NO doubt in the scientific community and if you would take a university course on it you would see why. I can come up with a few convincing reasons if you'd like, but it becomes all the more clear when you have a fundamental understanding of how genetics, gene-protein processes, and ecology works. Seriously, find a bio major who doesn't believe in evolution. You'll have trouble.
On top of what I just said, Darwin's moral arguments also have nothing to do with evolution's validity.
And as a third comment: I just found a study reference on wikipedia that mentions 700 out of 480,000 earth and life scientists across the globe reject evolution. This represents 0.146% of scientists asked. IN 1987! Please don't patronize us scientists and science students. Science may not matter to you very much, but don't act like you somehow have enough knowledge of science to reject the completely predominating theory (and yes before you pull bullshit, a theory is something that has been supported consistently. For all we know, it could fail tomorrow. But it hasn't yet. That is why things in science are never proven to be true, just failed to be rejected). You have no authority on this matter. Don't delude yourself.
What kind of argument is that 700 out of 500k? If tomorrow 90% believe God exist you would change your mind? Hell no because your not convinced or seen any proof. Proof bring the key word here because science doesn't work off proof it makes inferences to the cause.
This is what atheist apart from scientific advances. You need this proof or it's not true. Well let me school you most science is not proved to start with. It makes educated guesses as to how things work and why "cause" and "effect" it never can explain why it exist to start with.
I also notice you use 30+ year old theories that have been "Disproven" or rejected. So if the scientist were wrong then how can you be sure 5 years from now they won't change their theory. Where dies that leave you. All you have then is Scientism to believe in.
You must live in a jar! You also say evolution is a fact and don't even define evolution. Which makes me wonder just what books you been getting your science from.
Your simply not going to defend it using Scientism arguments either. This is why atheist or I should say radical atheist try and use science to prove some point they have the right answer and its fact. I ask you then what scientific fact "Proves natural selection and random mutations" can produce humans from fish? And I want peer reviewed papers that detail these facts. Not some abstract idea how genes can this over billions of years and millions of failed attempts.
I would also want to know why this same mutation is "always" beneficial and not destructive using the same science.
Why is Christianity true but all the others are false?
Ladi Smith Jesus is the way the truth and the life, nobody reaches the Father except through him
@Trolltician That's some bad trolling, buddy.
@Trolltician Nope, you still need to improve your trolling, buddy.
@Trolltician You know, with your username being Trolltician, I'd have thought you'd be a half decent troll. I'm very disappointed with your attempts thus far.
So I'll do my best to answer your question. Every religion that I know so far, strongly focuses on being good and doing good deeds. That is how they get saved, by being good. While Jesus sead that no matter how good we try to be, it is impossible, because we are humans, and all humans have flaws, no matter how good you are. Even if we say that we were better then most humans, it's like saying to the Judge in the court "Yes I broke the law, but I have been a better human then others that broke the law" The Judge will say that you are still guilty. So that is why He has taken all of our sins on the crus, so that we wouldn't have to worry all the time of failing to be good, because we will, we are humans. Something else that only Jesus did, is die for us. So everything was already done for us, all of the good works, the only thing we have to do is just repent and trust God with our lives by giving our lives to Him.
"Trusting God allows you to see the real science"
Aw, how sweet - you mean science with no evidence except for man-made stories?
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@@MrMemer One thumbs down for you, and one thumbs up for Mr. Meme.
No, I'm an adult... one who appreciates evidence and reason and thinking for myself.
Children like imaginary friends and superstitious fairy tales.
Well said.
You can't go from atheism to theism. Once the mind is freed it can't be trapped again.
***** Oh so you have been unplugged have you?
Tell that to the millions of people that have converted from Atheisim to Believers !!!
***** lol Troll :) You know Jesus is the way and through him is only way to Eternal Life.
I have read comments like yours forever and I disagree 100%. Once you turn your life over to God, you are free, literally, free from the binds of sin. I went through a long period of questioning God and faith and ended up being a believer. It is different for everyone, but for me I had a revelation, it just hit me one day, I truly believe in God's existence. You can't go from atheism to theism, pretty silly to actually believe that. God says in the bible that he will continue to try and reach you, you will have many opportunities to believe.
This is literally the mentality of a cult.
It's not about what they want, it's about what they can realistically measure, and so far in their lives they've been given no reason to believe in anything greater than themselves. Sure, fear of death will sway some of the less staunch atheists, but even then it's only a measure of security, as they are 99% sure God is not waiting for them momentarily on the other side.
1. So it's ok with you for people to hold irrational, baseless beliefs without evidence? (Bigfoot, fairies, gods, etc.?) 2. Most atheists don't spend ANY time having these discussions, but SOME of us feel it's important to challenge believers. It is inherently dangerous to hold irrational beliefs, because beliefs inform your actions (see 9-11, bombing abortion clinics, parents using prayer only and refusing medicine for their dying kids, etc.) I'd like to see a world with REASON, NOT mythology.
McGrath gave ZERO reason for why an atheist would turn theist. All he said is "believing in God makes things more interesting." So does a kick to my balls, but I'd never wish that upon anyone. Yet another theist fail.
The absolute beauty of George Strombolopolous - he manages to interview both sides of this issue without ever taking a side. I don't think I could do that. I couldn't listen to say, this guy, without at least once going "Okay, honestly... are you being serious right now?"
I went from atheist, to agnostic to luciferian to now a Christian Buddhist.
Thank God I woke up.
Oh I see... So it's the religion's age that decides whether or not it should be respected. How long does it have to be around before it absorbs enough "tradition" and "cultural weight" to be respected? What's the cut off point?
And what about when Judaism was a new religion? What made it respectable then?
He says "Religion answers the question 'Do we matter?'" despite that fact that religion does NOT answer it but merely asserts that it is so.
We don't use God to explain science. We r to use science to understand God's creation... Turns out God made a wildly interesting universe
Reading the bible is what converted me to atheism.
I really respect George. You know why? Because he’s willing to discuss things with many many different kinds of people, and he doesn’t show hostility or rudeness just because he doesn’t agree with someone. Society has lost the ability (in general), to have a respectful dignified conversation where they may not see eye to eye but they choose to civilly talk it out . You can care about each other and still not have the same view
agreed. The Abrahamic religions in general have a lot to answer for. It's sad that so many able minded people can't see the way out of their sheepish ignorance
The dislikes are because this guy is clearly trying to piggyback off of Dawkin's success with his book and because almost everything he says in this video is nonsense
Yes, Christianity promises everlasting life in heaven, but that doesn't mean it's true.
I'm an atheist and I'm very happy.
Tacitus was not a contemporary of Jesus.
00realitycheck has made the claim that there is overwhelming evidence for the ressurection of Jesus. If Jesus did come back from the dead (along with all the other dead saints), the historians at the time would have taken note. I'm waiting for 00realitycheck to provide such evidence.
Why do you think that it isn't possible? The fossil record, comparative embryology, genetics, vestigial limbs and organs in animals, vestigial nuclei between the membranes that surround chloroplasts in plants as well as many other things support the theory of evolution.
I think the difference is, This guy asks why and Dr Dawkins asks how. I personally think why is a silly question like you dont ask "why is this mountain here" however you can ask "how is this mountain here" and you seek scientific evidence on that.
Actually, I don't think claiming to be a former atheist makes their case more powerful. What I said is that religious nuts must somehow think this gives them more credibility. In the end, all that matter is the arguments themselves. Arguments will rise and fall on their own -- regardless of anything else. I have yet to come across any argument that proves the existence of a god or gods.
Its even questionable if He ever was an Atheist b/c there are people who make the claim they are/was for silly reasons like " I got mad at god so I became an Atheist" lol
Oh what a shame. The Christian who has no clear reason for why he accepts magic and joined a cult doesn’t like the idea of reasonable people trying to take his delusion away. How sad it must be to be him.
Atheist fundamentalism? Smh... What a twisted joke... How can anyone in good conscience attempt to compare the rhetoric of Dawkins or Hitchens, to the average Islamic fundamentalist who promotes grievous violations of human rights? What an absolutely ridiculous idea to put them on even standing and to suggest that they're 'taking a page' from religious fundamentalists' book.
Of course not, just as I don't believe that your "god" who we've also never found, exists. However, since evidence indicates that it is likely the life can form under appropriate circumstances, and there are at least 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars in the visible universe (never mind if there might be more). It seems likely that we are not alone. But I won't believe that until we have evidence. You might want to try such reason - it's fun and useful.
True, but for this guy, he was very close to believing and then converted with little actual evidence. I just think the title is very misleading because he was not an atheist.
Also it is very hypocritical to tell others to be open minded when you argue that God exists and that doesn't require evidence. Showing that you are completely closed minded to the possibility of God's non existence.
People changing their minds isn't proof of anything. Proof is found through fact and reasoning
Is he a sorcerer? How the fuck can you go from being a staunch atheist to a christian?
Lol religion made me miserable. I used to have to worry that people I worried about would burn in he'll. I also felt like I had to convert everyone to believe what I believe and I was told to love this "god" more than any of my friends or family... And there was no way to prove this"god" even existed. Now that I'm agnostic, I don't worry about my friends burning in hell, I don't have to try and force my beliefs on anyone, and I can lovey family and friends more than anything in the whole world.
There's some ignorance in this one. Like when he says "science disproves god"... Not only science does not disprove god (or fairies for that matter) but also the burden of proof is on faith based positions, that's like... classic fundamental logic.
So he learned you can grift Millions upon Millions of dollars from simple minded fools.
Golan was tried for forgery. He was acquitted. But tell me anyway, how did he manage to fake that patina on the box if it was a forgery? It was dated as being roughly 2000 years old.
WTF!!
I started thinking for myself and turned to religion???
Studying science does not usually introduce god into the equation it usually boots him out!
BTW, the title behind the two on the screen is misleading. We shouldn't be talking about "science VERSUS religion" , that is a false dichotomy that gets asserted without any justification over and over again. It's total BS.
The beginning of science started when God created the universe. They belong together. God created both at the same time.
Does God really need to "create" science? I mean isn't science the study of the universe?
The absolute lack of ANY cross-species access to solutions is all the evidence you need for evolution. How this relates to the observed nested hierarchy will screw with your mind if you try to dismiss evolution. If you try to claim "common designer" then forget intelligent design because the strict adherence to a nested hierarchy is anything but intelligent. It's as mindless as can be.
Sorry, that is not my conclusion. And I never made that assertion.
Though the evidence for a historical Jesus is very thin (for the greatest product of the 1st century, you'd expect a LOT more evidence than what we currently have), I'm in the camp that believes that there was a person (or persons) the biblical Jesus was based on. I also agree with Hitchens in that the contradictions in the Bible about the Jesus narrative suggests there was a person the story was based on.
My response here would be the same as the one I made the first time. The part about him actually being the son of god (having powers, walking on water, turning bread into his body etc) is at the standing of myth
Again. It's agreed that the person existed but simply an extremely charismatic person that gained a following, whom was executed on a cross (very common during this time). No evidence that he was resurrected (common fairy tale at the time) nor predicted it. The special stuff is all myth
Darwin did not recant his views on his death bed but neither of us can prove that one way or another. I'm sorry that you think that evolution is a dying theory as you are clearly mistaken. It is accepted by over 99% of the scientific community and it is taught in schools and universities around the world. If hypothetically we say that he did recant that does not make his theory any less valid. The evidence speaks for itself. It is not based on the words of one man. See my bacteria example.
If you read that poorly, no wonder you are a theist. Once again, he TRIED to show that evolution of IC systems was impossible, but his results showed that it was not only possible but much more rapid than he would have liked.
Its just said that we can't be happy for one another no matter what someone chooses to believe.
Rylie, do you believe in GOD?
7 years late but if we have the chance to save someone and we know what comes after we will try our best to because we are only trying to help. forever is a really long time to go to a place of torment. think about forever real quick
That's why I quit christianity. There was no evidence it was valid but there is tons of evidence that evolution is valid. It was a slam dunk for evolution.
Evolution does not contradict Christianity at all. No Christian in their right mind believes in pure Creationism. I am Catholic, and ALL Catholic teachings are perfectly compatible with Science and no Catholic who knows their faith will dispute the validity of Scientific theories and laws.
I could be wrong but you seem to think that all Christians are the "the world is 6000 years old and Jesus went poof and people appeared" types of Christians, which are the minority. Do some Christians believe that crap, yes, do all, no. Catholics certainly don't, Catholics created Universities and Science like the Big Bang Theory was first created by a Jesuit priest.