ShamGam3 George is a real professional, he read AND analyzed Richard's book, he provided opinions, he made a joke even, but first he went for the second one without even acknowledging that he was ignored on the first. I'd be pissed about that last thing.
Nope. If you are sane; understand that doing bad things is wrong and feels bad. You do not need religion to guide you, people have morals despite religion.
Brandon R "If religion didn't exist, murder might be morally Okay." To YOU, maybe. Not for everyone else. Anyone who needs a book to tell them not to murder is a terrible human being by default.
For starters, getting exposed to alternate philosophies, non strawman beliefs of other religions such as Buddhism for example and alternate and secular morality. And to study and comprehend science and the scientific method unbiasedly.
I tried to have a discussion with my step mother about how religion is a lie, and it always was. I mentioned how the Bible is filled with scientific ignorance, and she wasn't having it. "I know there is a God and a heaven because I KNOW IT!!" and with that, I changed the subject. No point wasting your time with that level of ignorance
You're the loser and your Mom is the winner. Richard Dawkins teaches the universe came from "literally nothing." Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We can't get anything from "literally nothing." We can't even get science without God. The laws of nature only can come from a Lawgiver, God. God is the reason for us and all we have. ua-cam.com/video/JiMqzN_YSXU/v-deo.html “However improbable the origin of life might be, we know it happened on Earth because we are here.” -Richard Dawkins. We only get life from life...the law of biogenesis. We can't get anything without God. The odds are NOT there. ua-cam.com/video/W1_KEVaCyaA/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/yW9gawzZLsk/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/ddaqSutt5aw/v-deo.html No, the eye did not evolve into various eyes. Your mere chance mutations are absurd. ua-cam.com/video/X7h2HWcTwa4/v-deo.html Even Dawkins admits we can't know what is true because of natural selection... The God Delusion, “Since we are creatures of natural selection, we cannot totally trust our senses. Evolution only passes on traits that help a species survive, and not with preserving traits that tell a species what is actually true about life.”
Wait, scientific ignorance? How so? The Bible has amazing historical accuracy supported by archaeology. The Bible also has amazing scientific accuracy such as the Earth being round in Isaiah 40:22 and the Earth being in space without support in Job 26:7 and the stars being countless in Genesis 15:5 and the laws of thermodynamics in Isaiah 51:6.
@@treygonzalez5252 Isaiah 40:22 talks about a circle, not a sphere. Flat earth theories have circular worlds. They also don't include anything supporting the earth, so Job 26:7 isn't that impressive as well. Wow, it's so impressive that people looked to the night sky and found it nearly impossible to count every star. Additionally, Genesis 15:5 states that there are too many stars to count, not that there are an infinite number of them. Wow, it's so impressive that people saw things decay and die and thought that the Earth itself may die. Isaiah 51:6 mentions no laws of thermodynamics - it just describes an observation that people made of the world.
He's 71. Most people his age are retired so whether or not he has anything "new" to say doesn't matter but when he was more actively performing research, he came up with some very interesting and currently well respected theories and now has a strong following due to his work and outspokenness. He's had a pretty impressive career.
He's a genius. People on here obviously find it very hard to be told that whatever they believed all of they lives isn't true, thus having their intelligence tested/insulted. God does not exist, stop wasting your lives. When a priest kisses a wafer, do you really believe that this wafer turns to the body of christ? No, you don't. Admit it and read The God Delusion. He's essentially helping people to stop wasting their lives. Good Guy!
Look I may not a genius here, but my faith is still on out of all odds especially after reading this book (actually wikipedia). Here's why: Quantum mechanics and the big bang theory, true everything requires scientific proof or physical or reasonable evidence, but here is the extreme counter argument that puts it where it can be the proof for both sides of the argument. "Nonething is something, something is nonething." If the universe can come from nonething what is it going to stop from a spiritual or every thing entity from existing or not or both from nonething? That's what I have not seen in this book which I believe it needs to be dressed.
God is real, and so is his son the Christ just not in the way people were taught to believe. There is a heaven and a hell and life eternity, but not in the way people perceive. This knowledge is not given to just anyone, so says the bible, and these people with their honors and higher learning think that they know everything. They know nothing. Nothing. The bible was full of these smart, emotionally intelligent people, and none had seen God, for he is too uncomplicated and simple, they are looking up at the sky and at the infinite expanse, so dark and unfathomable, it is impossible to see. I do not blame them at all. You need a key, and that key is given by God, so until then, those who believe there is a God, seek him, seek to know the truth and he shall reveal Himself to you and you shall be enlightened.
I believe in God , I try to put others first , give money to the homeless and forgive people , or do my best , as well as hoping for life eternal , how am I wasting my life? explain, what is in your life , that you think is not a waste? yes writing a book full of bollocks, separating you from God and leading you away from life eternal , while making a lot of money and giving, to the best of what I know, nothing to charity, yes good guy !.wake up his full of sh*t and is greedy and selfish.
@@memento4940 duh dude the answers are not supposed to be going that simple, but again I'm not making assumptions. I'm just saying due to mountain of evidence in quantum physics in it can literally accept every probability no matter how low the odds are it still can happen. Virtual particles get created out of no where the more empty space time is the more stuff gets put into the void dispite the odds. You failed to find a counter argument, unless your not proven your point well enough. The way I see the world evidence is very subjective. Here's how I look at the bible for example: the old definition of evidence has to been observing back then, so when jesus came in history if he really is not real why hadn't bible just get thrown away and forgotten through out history? The only way it could of stand is by many observers who were once live saw jesus doing maricales. As conquence it became a story of facts. True the bible today has many contradictions only because it was translated or the language was not well evolved in the days. Doesn't mean it has to be flase because of assumptions it was only way to document what people discovered there was no way to preserve the proof except the book pasted down thoundsands of years. Over time we changed our definition of evidence to either math or testable ability to be used. Science is best describe by using knowledge into the real world technology, any knowledge that is beyond that cant be used into technology is not useful. The only thing today has not changed is observation is believing which leads to me to conclude that something in those events in the bible had to be true, but who knows because again its very subjective.
I was a Christian for ten years and I had more faith in God when I knew nothing of Christianity it wasn't on till I went to Christian Churches and Bible Studies and Cell Groups and worked for Christian organisations that I saw so many Christians act in such a hurtful disrespectful and just plain nasty and vindictive way towards people that it made me just plain sick to my very stomach. Its ironic to think that Christianity itself turned me into an atheist. In all the country's around the world that I have spent time in and all the religions I have seen it never ceases to amaze me how religion seems to turn us all into egomaniacs. Thank God im an atheist... Lol
Chris Coppola My cell leader accused me of having designs on her husband - yes I was very hurt and wondered what the hell is this? God spoke to me in a dream. Do nut judge God as people behave especially in Christian circles it is the front line of spiritual warfare.
Nat K Brother,i agree with you other people call themselves christians but they dont really understand what christianity is. Some religious organization thought they were christians but their teachings are from man not from Jesus Christ. That organizations made other people to turn away from God and the worst, to hate God. Like the roman catholic they thought they were christians but their god is not the God of the bible
Nat K I think it's a real shame that people feel the need to ram whatever belief system they have down other people's throats . just so they can have their own ego stroked.
Benita Almond well of course your going to questions belief system if they are going ram it down people's throats . or use it to manipulate others. There is no god that I'm sure of. There couldn't be if there was a god there is no way he would allow his followers to behave the way some do. Do you honestly think that Allah exist and he allows Muslims to behave the way they do? Of course not l. Extremists can get away with there monstrous behaviour cause there is no supernatural entity called god exists. I have spent too long around Christian church to have any belief it's all nonsense.
He’s right about all of this, and I respect & agree with his brilliance. I will say though, there’s well known reasons why people still follow religions: they fear death, they miss loved ones, and they want to have purpose. I can’t fault people for wanting answers to why we’re here on planet Earth, and I understand if they’re scared of the end of their existence
100% agree religion was founded on just the fear of death. They can't deal with the idea there is no real significance of our existence. We just smart animals.
"they want to have a purpose"??? I keep asking theists - what does one DO in Heaven? And they keep running away Describe a day to me - ONE DAY! And they run away The problem is obvious - what work would the allmighty have for us puny humans? So we have billions of people just sitting about, idle, a useless pointless existence for eternity And this is the Grand Plan of God?
@@stainlessstove4629 nah, religion was founded as a means for the clever to control the gullible and simple minded. fear of a vindictive disciplinarian that sees your every move and reads your every thought 24/7 keeps the feeble minded docile. and being "the one who talks to god" was EXTREMELY advantageous in a time when life was cheaper than a filipino prostitute...it was always about control through fear (wasnt as philosophical and existential as you make it out to be)
Accurately true for those who believe, God does = a meaningful existence and hope,for an after life,of even greater significance but "belief" is not actually "knowing" we have been given,no true way of truly knowing.
Knock knock. Who's there? Jesus. Jesus who? Jesus Christ let me in. Why should I let you in? I want to save you. Save me from what? Save you from what I will do if you don't let me in.
more from dying and not being able to live on in the next one , and anyway, why wouldn't you let him in ? you mean spirited tosser, what are you a Troy? .
The book is a real treat for readers - whether you believe or don't believe in what Richard Dawkins talks in the book. It is for sure a thought provoking literature. As he says, the problem with religion is one must simply accept whatever is thrown on you without questioning, but science says question everything before you accept it. The problem is not God, but the way God is interpreted by we humans and limited him to petty thing called religion.
Wow, I was really impressed with this interviewer. I was expecting a lot less from him, but he actually asked well thought out questions and allowed Dawkins to talk as much as he wanted. Very well done.
Because you live in this modern age. It would be different when you live in the past and you are surrounded by the act of nature that you do not understand.
ArtherMatheuwStarling You know nothing of the real world my friend I'm sorry. All religions were created as tools of segregation by the rulers of the original empires. The rothschilds, Rockefellers, so on and so forth. Religion was used to bend people to knees are make them turn a blind eye. We've been being lied to since the birth of kings, wake up.
As a religious person (who is capable of having respectful conversations with non-Christians), I have a genuine question for Atheists and if it seems as though I'm attacking anyone, that's not my intent (I'm also not trying to change anyone's mind; it's a genuine question). Do you hope you're right? Do you hope that all life comes down to is hedonistic pleasure? That's there is no afterlife? No higher purpose? That we're just accidental byproducts of nature? That sounds very nihilistic and lonely.
Anyone willing to put the time and energy into learning what scientific thought is and the consequences of making up explanations without reality to support them can understand what Richard Dawkins is talking about AND can read the works of other scientists in support of his conclusions. Implying Dawkins is the only person who understands the evidence for reality and in opposition to fantasy thinking sounds like an attempt to defend the indefensible. If you're aware of irrefutable evidence for a deity, please present it.
@@krisaaron5771 Think logically, if evidence known it would make our living impossible? We would be forever looking over our (collective) shoulders looking with suspicion on everything and the actions of everyone else?
When they cannot refute and are embarrassed by what you are saying, they resort to tampering and deleting to cover their rotten tracks, but retribution is on the way,,.?
I never believed in god. My family was religious, and we went to church every Sunday, but I end up arguing with pastor. Every Sunday, so he politely asked my parents to talk with me. I said that god is fake, and I won't believe in lie. So they allowed me to not go to the church anymore. As I get older I understand how right I actually was. I am an atheist and my best friend was a christian. We were friends and everything was okay until she said to me, that there is no point of our friendship if one of us don't follow the other. I said, that it is impossible, because I won't and she won't as well. I said that it doesn't has to be like that, we can be friends. But she disagreed and now I lost the best friend I ever had. But now I see...
There are people who can acknowledge that they do not know all there is to know about everything who can see there are depths to our existence and others who want to believe that they know all there is to know about everything. And there are others who want the world to believe that they do not know, but pretend to to know because they can use their pretence to carve out an easy way to make a living out of it…. Both are part of nature, the genuine and the imposters…….every action must have an equal and opposite reaction……it’s life.?
@@somerandomperson3970 Being unconvinced of any god is a form of religion? Sounds a bit like Humpty Dumpty - when I use a word it means what I choose it to mean ...
Elina, your friend is brainwashed by Abrahamic cults and it’s the cult that’s at fault…she lost a good friend due to conditioning. Islam, Christianity, Judaism they r all the same …v intolerant and primitive . Stay free at heart
@@lenroddis5933 a religion is a pursuit followed with great devotion- that's the literal definition; it just so happens that belief in God is what people tend to be devoted the most to. Suspension of belief, as they've noted, is referred to as agnosticism.
So basically God is sending his son to divide people based on belief? So what we do in life, who we are as people does not matter? So Atheist & Hindu doctors who gave their life fighting covid19 trying to save total strangers will get hell And pedophiles & mass murderers of the cloth will get heaven? God is like Putin, Saddam - rewarding those who support him and abusing the rest? Amazing how free people living in democracies blindly follow communist, Dictator Gods
Never seen this interview before. But I like the casual nature it. The guy didn’t read questions from a script, just an educated guy who asked sensible questions on the fly. Wish all shows were like this
Yeah, we need more losers like Dawkins spreading lies. Richard Dawkins teaches the universe came from "literally nothing." Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We can't get anything from "literally nothing." We can't even get science without God. The laws of nature only can come from a Lawgiver, God. God is the reason for us and all we have. ua-cam.com/video/JiMqzN_YSXU/v-deo.html “However improbable the origin of life might be, we know it happened on Earth because we are here.” -Richard Dawkins. We only get life from life...the law of biogenesis. We can't get anything without God. The odds are NOT there. ua-cam.com/video/W1_KEVaCyaA/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/yW9gawzZLsk/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/ddaqSutt5aw/v-deo.html No, the eye did not evolve into various eyes. Your mere chance mutations are absurd. ua-cam.com/video/X7h2HWcTwa4/v-deo.html Even Dawkins admits we can't know what is true because of natural selection... The God Delusion, “Since we are creatures of natural selection, we cannot totally trust our senses. Evolution only passes on traits that help a species survive, and not with preserving traits that tell a species what is actually true about life.”
The fact that there is a conscience in every human being, which causes a person to regret committing any form of evil, is another strong proof of the existence of God. Otherwise, such a repulsion of evil would not have existed in his heart. Instead, he would have freely done whatever he wills. Therefore, this knowledge of good and evil has actually been placed in the hearts of men by God in order to direct their attention towards Himself.[9]
it would be interesting to see how Mr. Dawkins would explain the many testimonies of how ones lives were changed for the better after meeting the creator
Dawkins only is devoted to being a loser for losers. Richard Dawkins teaches the universe came from "literally nothing." Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We can't get anything from "literally nothing." We can't even get science without God. The laws of nature only can come from a Lawgiver, God. God is the reason for us and all we have. ua-cam.com/video/JiMqzN_YSXU/v-deo.html “However improbable the origin of life might be, we know it happened on Earth because we are here.” -Richard Dawkins. We only get life from life...the law of biogenesis. We can't get anything without God. The odds are NOT there. ua-cam.com/video/W1_KEVaCyaA/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/yW9gawzZLsk/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/ddaqSutt5aw/v-deo.html No, the eye did not evolve into various eyes. Your mere chance mutations are absurd. ua-cam.com/video/X7h2HWcTwa4/v-deo.html Even Dawkins admits we can't know what is true because of natural selection... The God Delusion, “Since we are creatures of natural selection, we cannot totally trust our senses. Evolution only passes on traits that help a species survive, and not with preserving traits that tell a species what is actually true about life.”
I can explain that for you Having or believing you've had a supernatural experience,with god,is relative experience you may tell others,who share your beliefs,and therefore belief you,or others,who just don't In the end whether we believe something or not doesn't necessarily,make it true or make it untrue bottomline is,us human as a collective species,have no fundumental proof of a god/creator.
The Jew said that she is not interested in logic and intelligence. She said she does not care about using arguments and logic when it comes to religion. She asked me what is the opposite of logic and intelligence is. But me being a nice person, did not call her those words. But by definition, someone with this mentality is idiotic, illogical, irrational, unreasonable and just a sad excuse for a human being...
2 Timothy "For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear".
Stalin was raised a Christian, trained in a seminary to be a preist and later opened 2500 churches after establishing the Russian Orthodox Church to replace the Eastern Orthodox Church.
tucanphos its been hundreds and thousands of years, religion is going nowhere, I think of religious people as undeveloped by hundreds and thousands of years 🤣
Scientific methods (tests) ≠ SCIENCE, neither our understandings. At best, these are subsets of science. The efficacy or veracity of analytical tests (methods) are/have been/perhaps will always be in-questioned. That's where the development comes into play. The fact that the TRUE ABSOLUTE SCIENCE (or ABSOLUTE KNOWLEDGE) of a subject WAS/IS/SHALL EVER BE independent of any scientific methods (evidence) As many are saying "...it is what it is..." regardless if a valid test method [or not] exist!
Stalin was raised Eastern Orthodox. He was educated in a seminary where he trained to be a priest. In 1941 he re-established the church as the Russian Orthodox church and wen't on to take part in the establishment of about 22,000 churches. I get sick of hearing theists blaming atheists for the acts of Stalin.
Great clip, could listen to Dawkins all day. I've just finished reading a book that's been pushed by him called 2082 The Chronicles Of Hope and it's about an atheist humanitarian politician. 1st chapter on the website for it i think and worth checking out... features a speech on atheism that is genius
Wow, how nice, you can listen to a loser all day. Richard Dawkins teaches the universe came from "literally nothing." Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We can't get anything from "literally nothing." We can't even get science without God. The laws of nature only can come from a Lawgiver, God. God is the reason for us and all we have. ua-cam.com/video/JiMqzN_YSXU/v-deo.html “However improbable the origin of life might be, we know it happened on Earth because we are here.” -Richard Dawkins. We only get life from life...the law of biogenesis. We can't get anything without God. The odds are NOT there. ua-cam.com/video/W1_KEVaCyaA/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/yW9gawzZLsk/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/ddaqSutt5aw/v-deo.html No, the eye did not evolve into various eyes. Your mere chance mutations are absurd. ua-cam.com/video/X7h2HWcTwa4/v-deo.html Even Dawkins admits we can't know what is true because of natural selection... The God Delusion, “Since we are creatures of natural selection, we cannot totally trust our senses. Evolution only passes on traits that help a species survive, and not with preserving traits that tell a species what is actually true about life.”
He doesn't say that it exists. He has highlighted discoveries in quantum physics for its potential existence. I think really though you are confusing him with Stephen Hawking and trying to score a point against Dawkins. Nice try though.
For services to humanity through spreading Reason and Common Sense Richard Dawkins deserves a knighthood and he'd certainly be Sir Richard by now if Queen Lizzie wasn't head of the Church of England. So it ain't gonna happen. Not that Richard would give a toss.
Many people incorrectly read Jesus as an impractical idealist like Don Quixote. Yet anyone who says an atheist is evil does NOT understand the Atheist's honest pursuit of truth. In fact, any Christian that calls an atheist evil MAY actually be condemning their own lack of faith in God.
continued --He was called “King of Kings” and “God of Gods.” --He was considered the “Only Begotten Son,” Savior,” “Redeemer,” “Sin Bearer,” Anointed One,” and the “Alpha and Omega.”
No, he's simply a loser. Richard Dawkins teaches the universe came from "literally nothing." Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We can't get anything from "literally nothing." We can't even get science without God. The laws of nature only can come from a Lawgiver, God. God is the reason for us and all we have. ua-cam.com/video/JiMqzN_YSXU/v-deo.html “However improbable the origin of life might be, we know it happened on Earth because we are here.” -Richard Dawkins. We only get life from life...the law of biogenesis. We can't get anything without God. The odds are NOT there. ua-cam.com/video/W1_KEVaCyaA/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/yW9gawzZLsk/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/ddaqSutt5aw/v-deo.html No, the eye did not evolve into various eyes. Your mere chance mutations are absurd. ua-cam.com/video/X7h2HWcTwa4/v-deo.html Even Dawkins admits we can't know what is true because of natural selection... The God Delusion, “Since we are creatures of natural selection, we cannot totally trust our senses. Evolution only passes on traits that help a species survive, and not with preserving traits that tell a species what is actually true about life.”
-Attis was born on December 25 --He was considered the savior who was slain for the salvation of mankind. --His body as bread was eaten by his worshippers --He was both the Divine Son and the Father. --On “Black Friday,” he was crucified on a tree, from which his holy blood ran down to redeem the earth. --He descended into the underworld. --After three days, Attis was resurrected on March 25 (as tradition held of Jesus) as the “Most High God.
"I USED TO GO THE YOGA CENTRE..GOD IS NOT A CHRISTIAN,MUSLIM,HINDU..DID NOT WRITE THE BIBLE,KORAN,HINDU GOD..DOES EXIST..SPIRIT/SOUL BEING" OK, but what is a spirit or soul? How was it assembled? Where is it? If you think about it, the word is just a filler for "I don't know". It has no real meaning.
I think theist's use the word Spirit/Soul to replace heightened consciousness or enlightenment that can be found in a religious or quasi-religious experience. In the end it really is just a work of one's own mind and imagination.
@Kitalia the kitsune But how many are willing to set aside some time, develop equipment, careful thought, careful observation, record the data and share that data with others? What has mankind been up to for the last 50,000 y and let's not include the last 300 y? Apparently in terms of science, not much.
@Kitalia the kitsune I agree with your comment. I was just saying that humans have wasted a lot of their time building churches, building new religions, war, politics, for maybe 50,000 y and more. And so, they never discovered early the atom, chemicals, drugs, heart operation techniques, and so on. It is only in the last 300 y that a few small group of europeans dedicated some serious time to science and math. Then it took off like a rocket ship, once the fuse was lit.
the Hebrew god that had his people kill the first born and take the women children as wife and commit the most hideous crimes of humanity. Not worried about it.
@@randyg.7940 They love us so much that they were willing to write thing we shouldnt do or we would go to a scary place and make us suffer for eternity. Seems like a lot of love to me.
By asking who created God, Dawkins is referring to a created god. Now if he had named the title of his book " The created god's delusion", he would not have sold many books or become so wealthy, as nobody believes in created gods, not even Christians. So the only thing he is debunking is the idea of created gods, which we agree with, but he could have written a far shorter book. Christians don't believe in created gods/idols either - We believe in God. The uncaused/uncreated eternal living God.
By asking who created god. He is asking who created god. So god created everything but god doesn't need creation? So if god doesn't need creation why can't the universe too just be there. The universe could have just appeared out of nowhere. Poor argument you have there. You can't apply certain rules to universe and then a seperate one to god. If you do so. Give valid reasoning. If you argument is. God is almighty and the same rules don't apply. That is bull. In scientific eyes that is absolute bull. As Dawkin says blind faith.
***** No you don't. You become an atheist or as it should be put as skeptical about god until further evidence. When you admit that god may or may not exists and as of now is non existent due to lack of evidence. We can change our minds if you give us god damn proof. Hehe. I used god damn. So no it's not just a change of words. We don't say my cold is because god is testing me. We say my cold is because of some virus that god created to fuck with my immune system and hopefully kill me for no fucking reason other than for his amusement. In other words it's just a damn virus....no god nothing...
kaister901 We can look at it in a different way. God cannot be created. He is not a created God, by definition. He is eternal: Timeless. He exists external to our observable reality. Space is created. It was thus created by an external agent, it is not eternal: time frame of 13.8 Bn years. It exists within our reality. Space( as we have come to know the black expance ) is not nothing, it is an object of nature, with it's own natural characteristics. Something like space whicht is not eternal and has an age cannot create itself within the realm of itself. It finds it's beginning beyond itself. Thus anything we can observe on earth within the grasp of our reality, is created by something other than itself. an external agent if you will. You may choose to not call that external agitator/agent God. You might call it something else. But by any degree of contemplation, you have to finally arrive at the thought that something outside this universe is responsible for the existence of everything within it. The universe is not the creator of itself. What ever you think created God will have to fall behind in the same que as space and it will have to explain it's own existence outside of itself.
Marachenka [D]o we need a God to set it all up so a Big Bang can bang? … Our everyday experience makes us convinced that everything that happens must be caused by something that occurred earlier in time. So it’s natural for us to assume that something-perhaps God-must have caused the universe to come into existence. But when we’re talking about the universe as a whole, that isn’t necessarily so. … The role played by time at the beginning of the universe is, I believe, the final key to removing the need for a Grand Designer, and revealing how the universe created itself. … Time itself must come to a stop [at the singularity]. You can’t get to a time before the big bang, because there was no time before the big bang. We have finally found something that does not have a cause because there was no time for a cause to exist in. For me this means there is no possibility of a creator because there is no time for a creator to have existed. Since time itself began at the moment of the Big Bang, it was an event that could not have been caused or created by anyone or anything. … So when people ask me if a god created the universe, I tell them the question itself makes no sense. Time didn’t exist before the Big Bang, so there is no time for God to make the universe in. It’s like asking for directions to the edge of the Earth. The Earth is a sphere. It does not have an edge, so looking for it is a futile exercise. - Stephen Hawking You can look it up that argument is by far the weakest and most over used argument that has been dismissed countless times. Yet people like you and others keep running to it. The we don't know what happened before the big bang is the almighty god of the gaps argument that is totally not accepted.
kaister901 thanks for the reply - for once it's a civil response amidst all the anger and name calling out there from the others If time did not exist prior to BB, it begs another question: What 'banged"? Something ( a particle perhaps) had to have exploded/expanded in order for there to have been a 'bang'. If that particle existed prior to it going bang, then it must have existed within a particular dimension. Nothing cannot create a bang - we all know this. So, if the particle existed within a certain dimension or space prior to it expanding rapidly, then by definition we can attribute certain time frame characteristics to said particle, meaning that if there was no time and no dimension: the particle could not have existed and would have no cause to create BB. Thus by virtue of the above, we have to say that there was some form of dimension other than what we currently perceive as space before the BB. The question in a purely naturalistic scientific arena is this: Put the BB on the side and ask yourself in what dimension did the BB occur if not in space-time, and how did that dimension come into existence prior to space-time? There is no eternal existence in our observable universe. Everything we have seen and ever will see in our lives had a beginning and end. Even the universe itself. I suppose where you and I part ways is that as a Christian I conclude the following: Since everything we see and observe has a beginning and end. Since everything we see finds its existence external to itself and since the dimension that gave origin to the whatever was responsible for the BB had to have had an existence in some way or form, I concede that only an all powerful, eternal, omnipotent and all knowing agent could have caused theses dimensions. There is nothing prior to this agent and nothing after it. I have come to know this agent/dimension/force as a personal God - Jesus Christ. We may well differ on this, but I implore you to not look at the world out there and conclude that it's all empty, and that science will fill the void. Science as an existentialist philosophy will drop you stone cold dead if it has to. Do not let hypocritical Christians be the benchmark by which you measure the plausibility that an all powerful creator stands behind the backdrop of our existence. By no means should this be a deterrent or incentive, but if you are wrong about this, are you prepared to suffer the eternal consequences? I don't want to give a sermon here, but please do yourself a favour and have one last good look at the 4 main gospels - get to learn the character of Jesus Christ first before anything else - it is the single most important thing to understand. You cannot possibly understand the Bible without knowing Christ first. John 14:6 - I am the way, the truth and the life, nobody comes to the Father except through me. The good news is that the all powerful force that created everything has written our names on the palm of his hand. He calls us by name and he knows every single hair on our bodies, because he placed it there. He loves us dearly and wants us to commit to him. 1 Tim 2:4 - ...God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. I do not want to risk spending eternity in condemnation, when I can set aside my self-pride & the things that I have learnt from man and submit to God and be in pursuit of Jesus Christ's character. Thanks for reading. hope to hear back.
I'm an atheist, but I'm always curious as to what the live's of other atheist's on you tube are like and what led them to atheism. Personally I'm a 17 year old from Dublin, Ireland. I have an interest in film-making, science, animal rights, history & futurology. I became an atheist in October 2011 after watching various videos incl. that of Richard Dawkins. If anyone else is interested in sharing who they are & why they became an atheist, please do! :)
No one can say for sure if a god exists or not . what we can say is there is no good reason no evidence of a god. Just as there is no evidence of werewolves or Pixies there is no reason to believe in them
Richard Dawkins has never understood that metaphysical reality trancends the physical; meta = beyond: Physics = the physical. There is no way to quantify something that is not physical, so he, along with many scientists, believes that these non quantifiable things do not exist. This is called the masked man fallacy in logic; this equates to assuming the identity of the masked man, in this case being God. Since we do not God in a tangible manner, we can not make assertions about it, and therefore, it cannot be subject to scientific methodologies. Another example is this. In math, the Pythagorean Theorem applies to triangles with right angles. But if a triangle is missing a side (as a figurative example), the formula doesn't apply. Epistemically, we can only verify things that are known to us, so God would fall outside of the ontological realm. Also, I'd like to remind Dawkins that all science grew out of empiricism. Our logical framework evolved as a result of observation and other empirical experiences. So, to say that there is no evidence to verify God's existence is true, physically speaking, but the sane could have been argued thousands of years ago. The first people on earth were fully aware of a force that we now call gravity due to their experiences with nature itself. This is how logic was invented, which is how science emerged. Francis Bacon was the father of this. Science is also not completely objective, as our social norms dictate what we place value on a society. This is why, by and large, the east is more spiritual in it's essence. There is more of an equilibrium between Science and spirituality. Science philosophy can coexist, but they need to be used in the right context. Thank you James walker
Criminal courts deal with evidence beyond reasonable doubt, which is exactly what I was talking about. There are standards of evidence - a gradient if you will - it is not binary or dichotomous. A civil court, on the other hand, deals with a preponderance of the evidence. Your initial question deals with different ways of knowing, and in this video Richard Dawkins somewhat outlined what he meant by "evidence" in this interview. 1:36 for summary, though there's a little before.
I just had an argument with an Orthodox Jew. She gave me nothing to argue. Her reason for believing?= "The Torah says it is true so therefor it is true. Scientist have to do their job and I have to do mine which is believing in God." Her being an Orthodox Jew is not what pisses me off, it was the shear idiotic reasoning for believing that would make anyone with a 5th grade education, Theist AND Atheist pissed off.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but even if I take the atheist perspective, isn't the proof that there isn't a God equal to the proof that there is a God? So explain how exactly your decision to believe that God doesn't exist is more scientific than those who believe a God does exist?
It only proves that a concept of a god exists. Concept of a god is not the same thing as a god. Replace "God" with "pink unicorn" and ask yourself these questions.
+SeriouslyKidding. I see your point. But I guess what I'm pointing to in saying God, is something that goes beyond words and language, something that existed before them and will after them, so yes, you can call it a pink unicorn if you'd like, but I'm not reverting to god in the sense that most atheists view god, which is the Christian god. But even if you're more well versed in religion, I'm not speaking of any human figure, just asi wouldn't be referring to a horse with a horn on its head of we called it a unicorn. The main point I'm trying to make when talking to atheists is that their belief is based on no more evidence than those who believe in god, and so that stance doesn't answer anything aside from their inner state, which is one of pessimism. And so if you try to find god in other formats, like NDEs, but also including the bible, it's stated that god is love. Which isn't love as most of us understand, but unconditional love. And so it's reasonable to understand that most atheists don't believe in god bc, no matter what they portray to the world, or even try to convince themselves, they are unhappy deep down within. And it's evidenced by the anger or discomfort that you probably felt bubble up within you while reading that last sentence. God isn't a person, it's indescribable by words, bc it's a state and feeling. You can try to describe love to someone until it can't be done any further, but until you experience it, you don't truly know it. The problem with most atheists is that they tried to find good in an explanation or logic, but just as with the example of explaining love, you can try to instance but God is felt, not understood. And so that's why atheists don't believe, if you truly felt god, you wouldn't question it anymore. And this is not just me saying it, it's pointed out by many NDEs, including atheists who've had them. If you respond please don't go into how NDES are within the brain bc if you do enough research, just on UA-cam, you'd see that there's unexplainable examples that contradict that argument.
doggy255 Which religious text would you like me to quote that a god is not eternal love? Greek mythos? - yeah, right. Xtianity - the motherfucker kills almost 2.5 million people, not counting Noah's flood. Pisslum? Hahaha. "[atheists] are unhappy deep down within." Lol, my irreligion does not tell me that I am a sinful creature that was made this way by an all-loving gawd, who will forgive anything, anything at all - murder, rape, incest, genocide, fratricide, etc. as long as I do not question whether he in fact exists or not. It is precisely why people are leaving religion in droves. Majority atheism by 2041, doesn't that cause "anger or discomfort that you probably felt bubble up within you while reading that last sentence"? "And it's evidenced by the anger or discomfort that you probably felt bubble up within you while reading that last sentence." I laugh at your stupidity, thanks for the chuckle. I could not care less what you think I feel. But whatever floats your boat. I tried to give you a rational, reasonable explanation, but you are here to troll people apparently. Your tail is showing, budz. I have had a NDE 3 months ago - I almost crashed my car driving 110 km/hr on the highway into the vehicle in front that stopped. Did I thank God for saving me? No, I thanked myself for changing the brake pads on time, so not a scratch on me or the car. You obviously are not referring to the people being resuscitated - white light at the end of the tunnel, etc? 'Cause if you are, then I am afraid you are the one who has nothing to go on but rectum-derived drivel. "God is felt, not understood." The god dies the moment you stop believing in one. If that is not the best example of a fake thing, then I have no idea what is. Peace!
Wow. Your anger is obvious and demonstrates my point that you mocked lol. And you must have misread me, I don't consider myself a follower of a certain religion. But I think " god" exists beyond the interpretation most religions or people have on it. Also you must not know about NDEs bc your car experience isn't what I was referring to, and your degrading of the NDE that I am referring to simply shows your disposition on what we're talking about, you slander or without knowing it. Very scientific of you. But if you're interested in actually having an understanding off what you berate, look up the surgeon who talks about their patient having an NDE, he's an older man being interviewed by another man and there's a part talking about post its. Also, It's not Eben Alexande who's a surgeon who had one. Also Pam Reynolds is very interesting. But my favorite to show skeptics is the surgeon purely based on the understanding that he'd have nothing to gain and only things to lose by coming out and talking about this, especially if he were lying, which if he were it would be easily disapproval by the other individuals who were in the operating room so it would make no sense for him to lie. Whether you believe or not, probably makes no difference in the reality of what will come after this life. Believe what you will and maybe you are right, but I think there's enough unexplainable evidence pointing to life after this one, suggesting a purpose and god, that making a decision that there isn't is no more than opinion without consideration of the points made by the independent events during NDEs. And a rather pessimistic opinion.
@@doggy255 "Unexplainable evidence" is not evidence. If you have a belief - that's fine. If you want to argue that belief, have evidence. SeriouslyKidding presented all his facts in an organized manner, defeating ever argument you have. In return, you spoke a lot and proved nothing.
I was raised in a Christian household, including 12 years in Christian schools ( and 7 in summer bible classes), but none of it found footing in my mind. From my earliest memories I had no interest in religion nor desire to study its literature. At 12 the world started to make more sense to me and I then had the words to say that I had no belief. By 15 I was saying that I was an atheist. At 52 I identify as an anti theist as I rail against religions and blind belief. If anyone reading this can show ANY proof for ANY supernatural phenomena, including ANY gods, I will the first successful respondent $8,750 USD via an immediate PayPal payment. I have offered this money for more than 5 years but so far none have stepped forward. Shocking? Hardly, as I assume most religious people know they have no proof of their convictions.
I have the prove I could kind of answer you're challenge I have no pay pal tho but I am super amazing I could explain it to you what happen to me in several comments I could bring the supernatural to you with the snap of the fingers.
God how has George Strombalapopaoisus managed to hold on to this show for so long. He fumbles his words, asks awkward not entirely relevant questions, and just has this kind of unprofessional, Mtv turned TV host type of air about him.
Therefore, when I pray/meditate and really practice to not care about stuff and the "I gotta win"-rules, I feel free and peaceful. I come in contact with another, deeper, level in myself I didn't know existed. A level that science doesn't really talk about. It's not as simple as love or energy. I believe it's God.
I have no problem with anyone who says there is no God you are free to believe in Him or not but so do others who believe in God have the freedom to do so its our constitutional rights thanks to our founding fathers who had foresight to make it so.
There has been "scientists" and "realists" forever. A long time ago they said the planet was flat and that the sun was spinning around our planet. They also said that an atom was the smallest thing (it's not). Dont you think the scientist that thought the earth was flat were as certain about it as Dawkins is about this? It's all a question of WHEN you will find that LOVE is all we need. Love = God. Feel love and you will feel God.
Amazing watching this 16 years later after he just confessed he considers himself a cultural Christian. Amazing what all those years of sawing off the branch he was living on does to one’s views.
What I'm trying to say is that GOD is not a he, she or it. It's EVERYTHING. It's atoms. It's energy. It's you and me. I just use the word God because it's our way of explaining it now. But it's all energy. It's all love. When you read my last comment about big bang, do you think of God as a "thing"? No, neither do I. I believe in God just as I believe in everything. Psychology and sociology never goes this deep. It's very just "scratching the surface". And I have read about it.
Before any of you choose to engage in an argument with any of the people here in the comments, please remember. "If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people". "Those of faith are entitled to their belief as long as they don't try to impose it on others, especially those who don't want it. You have no place in government or education. So please don't attempt to do either here." PLEASE THUMBS UP if only to stop the 300 character keyboard warriors.
The only one deluded in the context of Richard Dawkins statement, "God is not different from the tooth fairy" is Richard Dawkins. In the beginning God...and Richard Dawkins has read that verse and been troubled ever since. But he has not seen trouble like the trouble that will surely befall him as he comes to the end of his godless life. "The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. " Psalm 14:1 This puts Mr. Dawkins in the category of being a "fool."
In the real world, jurors are instructed that "If" they believe the testimony of a witness or witnesses, then they may find the defendant guilty. There is no mandate that testimonial evidence has to be believed. We atheists have found that those claims which are most outrageous are less likely to be believed, i.e., "my pal created the universe." Now, that's a big leap. That's different than "the guy had a beard." Welcome.
Organized religion is not the same as belief in God. God is between you and what God stands for for YOU. Anyone who argues about "God" is performing a remarkable waste of time, effort, money, and wasted consciousness. In other words the real delusional world of man.
I wish to remind you of Occam's Razor: the simplest explanation (requiring least reasoning steps) is usually true. Science teaches not dogma, but what with Occam's Razor the scientists deduced.
We Believers know how the very first rebellion mentioned in the bible is going to end, and unfortunately anybody that makes the same choice of joining this adversary's team will suffer the same fate as their rebel leader.
That's NOT what I said. Read it again . . .SLOWLY . . . and you'll understand the context. And regarding your last sentence, that's part of the process of repentance. Ultimately, sin is against God, but oftentimes we hurt others. Part of repental restitution is not only making things right with God, but with the person you've wronged. It's difficult, but necessary.
lol that missed handshake right there in the beginning set the tone for the host hahaha
That had to be hella harsh lol
Not really his fault, he just turned his head that precise moment and didn't notice that he leaned forward for a handshake. Just bad timing.
He made sure he got a handshake when he started the interview though, Dawkins just got distracted by the audience at the start.
@@mrsiborg's brain is working
He did a great interview especially for being such a young folk
Failed handshake at the beginning
ShamGam3 George is a real professional, he read AND analyzed Richard's book, he provided opinions, he made a joke even, but first he went for the second one without even acknowledging that he was ignored on the first. I'd be pissed about that last thing.
Sometimes a missed handshake is just that
I stoped believing in god when I was about 9 when my brain started developing
Me at 10
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Me when i came out of depression when i was 21
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@Greasel Snatches I'm slow and still realised God wasn't real
Ex muslim. Thanks for waking me up.
watch the devil and father amorth trailer.
But you missed the exorcist priest role you cannot skip that very important step.
Listen to the 6 voices of annelise michel.
There is exorcism that happen in the middle east too they hit almost every where on earth no country is immune.
if religion didn't exist we would be smarter and safer as a species
Nope. If you are sane; understand that doing bad things is wrong and feels bad. You do not need religion to guide you, people have morals despite religion.
Brandon R lol. Comical.
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"If religion didn't exist, murder might be morally Okay."
To YOU, maybe. Not for everyone else. Anyone who needs a book to tell them not to murder is a terrible human being by default.
***** If you think that, only you are obstructing yourself. i think, aha
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As an ex Muslim i totally agree with Dawkins (the god delusion)
it does makes sense .. on a side note how did you come to stop beleiving in islam? it might help others
@@stephencoveney4269 getting the fuck out of those totalitarian, theocratic, shithole countries would be a good start.
Me too
Which book is better. ?
God delusion vs Why there is no god
For starters, getting exposed to alternate philosophies, non strawman beliefs of other religions such as Buddhism for example and alternate and secular morality.
And to study and comprehend science and the scientific method unbiasedly.
Haha the beginning is so awkward where he tries to shake his hand!
I tried to have a discussion with my step mother about how religion is a lie, and it always was. I mentioned how the Bible is filled with scientific ignorance, and she wasn't having it. "I know there is a God and a heaven because I KNOW IT!!"
and with that, I changed the subject.
No point wasting your time with that level of ignorance
You're the loser and your Mom is the winner.
Richard Dawkins teaches the universe came from "literally nothing."
Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it.
We can't get anything from "literally nothing." We can't even get science without God. The laws of nature only can come from a Lawgiver, God.
God is the reason for us and all we have.
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“However improbable the origin of life might be, we know it happened on Earth because we are here.” -Richard Dawkins.
We only get life from life...the law of biogenesis. We can't get anything without God.
The odds are NOT there.
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No, the eye did not evolve into various eyes. Your mere chance mutations are absurd.
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Even Dawkins admits we can't know what is true because of natural selection...
The God Delusion, “Since we are creatures of natural selection, we cannot totally trust our senses. Evolution only passes on traits that help a species survive, and not with preserving traits that tell a species what is actually true about life.”
She know this how exactly ?
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Wait, scientific ignorance? How so? The Bible has amazing historical accuracy supported by archaeology. The Bible also has amazing scientific accuracy such as the Earth being round in Isaiah 40:22 and the Earth being in space without support in Job 26:7 and the stars being countless in Genesis 15:5 and the laws of thermodynamics in Isaiah 51:6.
@@treygonzalez5252 Isaiah 40:22 talks about a circle, not a sphere. Flat earth theories have circular worlds. They also don't include anything supporting the earth, so Job 26:7 isn't that impressive as well.
Wow, it's so impressive that people looked to the night sky and found it nearly impossible to count every star. Additionally, Genesis 15:5 states that there are too many stars to count, not that there are an infinite number of them.
Wow, it's so impressive that people saw things decay and die and thought that the Earth itself may die. Isaiah 51:6 mentions no laws of thermodynamics - it just describes an observation that people made of the world.
He recovered very nicely from that unanswered handshake. Well done
He's 71. Most people his age are retired so whether or not he has anything "new" to say doesn't matter but when he was more actively performing research, he came up with some very interesting and currently well respected theories and now has a strong following due to his work and outspokenness. He's had a pretty impressive career.
I've never met a person that had an answerd prayer
He's a genius. People on here obviously find it very hard to be told that whatever they believed all of they lives isn't true, thus having their intelligence tested/insulted. God does not exist, stop wasting your lives. When a priest kisses a wafer, do you really believe that this wafer turns to the body of christ? No, you don't. Admit it and read The God Delusion. He's essentially helping people to stop wasting their lives. Good Guy!
Stephen Garner stick to the math and science. God is bigger than all these things. His equations we'll never understand until we are gone
Look I may not a genius here, but my faith is still on out of all odds especially after reading this book (actually wikipedia). Here's why:
Quantum mechanics and the big bang theory, true everything requires scientific proof or physical or reasonable evidence, but here is the extreme counter argument that puts it where it can be the proof for both sides of the argument. "Nonething is something, something is nonething." If the universe can come from nonething what is it going to stop from a spiritual or every thing entity from existing or not or both from nonething? That's what I have not seen in this book which I believe it needs to be dressed.
God is real, and so is his son the Christ just not in the way people were taught to believe. There is a heaven and a hell and life eternity, but not in the way people perceive. This knowledge is not given to just anyone, so says the bible, and these people with their honors and higher learning think that they know everything. They know nothing. Nothing. The bible was full of these smart, emotionally intelligent people, and none had seen God, for he is too uncomplicated and simple, they are looking up at the sky and at the infinite expanse, so dark and unfathomable, it is impossible to see. I do not blame them at all. You need a key, and that key is given by God, so until then, those who believe there is a God, seek him, seek to know the truth and he shall reveal Himself to you and you shall be enlightened.
I believe in God , I try to put others first , give money to the homeless and forgive people , or do my best , as well as hoping for life eternal , how am I wasting my life? explain, what is in your life , that you think is not a waste? yes writing a book full of bollocks, separating you from God and leading you away from life eternal , while making a lot of money and giving, to the best of what I know, nothing to charity, yes good guy !.wake up his full of sh*t and is greedy and selfish.
@@memento4940 duh dude the answers are not supposed to be going that simple, but again I'm not making assumptions. I'm just saying due to mountain of evidence in quantum physics in it can literally accept every probability no matter how low the odds are it still can happen. Virtual particles get created out of no where the more empty space time is the more stuff gets put into the void dispite the odds. You failed to find a counter argument, unless your not proven your point well enough. The way I see the world evidence is very subjective. Here's how I look at the bible for example: the old definition of evidence has to been observing back then, so when jesus came in history if he really is not real why hadn't bible just get thrown away and forgotten through out history? The only way it could of stand is by many observers who were once live saw jesus doing maricales. As conquence it became a story of facts. True the bible today has many contradictions only because it was translated or the language was not well evolved in the days. Doesn't mean it has to be flase because of assumptions it was only way to document what people discovered there was no way to preserve the proof except the book pasted down thoundsands of years. Over time we changed our definition of evidence to either math or testable ability to be used. Science is best describe by using knowledge into the real world technology, any knowledge that is beyond that cant be used into technology is not useful. The only thing today has not changed is observation is believing which leads to me to conclude that something in those events in the bible had to be true, but who knows because again its very subjective.
I was a Christian for ten years and I had more faith in God when I knew nothing of Christianity it wasn't on till I went to Christian Churches and Bible Studies and Cell Groups and worked for Christian organisations that I saw so many Christians act in such a hurtful disrespectful and just plain nasty and vindictive way towards people that it made me just plain sick to my very stomach. Its ironic to think that Christianity itself turned me into an atheist. In all the country's around the world that I have spent time in and all the religions I have seen it never ceases to amaze me how religion seems to turn us all into egomaniacs. Thank God im an atheist... Lol
Chris Coppola My cell leader accused me of having designs on her husband - yes I was very hurt and wondered what the hell is this? God spoke to me in a dream. Do nut judge God as people behave especially in Christian circles it is the front line of spiritual warfare.
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Brother,i agree with you other people call themselves christians but they dont really understand what christianity is. Some religious organization thought they were christians but their teachings are from man not from Jesus Christ. That organizations made other people to turn away from God and the worst, to hate God. Like the roman catholic they thought they were christians but their god is not the God of the bible
Nat K I think it's a real shame that people feel the need to ram whatever belief system they have down other people's throats . just so they can have their own ego stroked.
Benita Almond well of course your going to questions belief system if they are going ram it down people's throats . or use it to manipulate others. There is no god that I'm sure of. There couldn't be if there was a god there is no way he would allow his followers to behave the way some do. Do you honestly think that Allah exist and he allows Muslims to behave the way they do? Of course not l. Extremists can get away with there monstrous behaviour cause there is no supernatural entity called god exists. I have spent too long around Christian church to have any belief it's all nonsense.
Nat K just make sure those people your talking about want to be educated
“That’s not a point in its favor is it”😂😂
He’s right about all of this, and I respect & agree with his brilliance.
I will say though, there’s well known reasons why people still follow religions: they fear death, they miss loved ones, and they want to have purpose. I can’t fault people for wanting answers to why we’re here on planet Earth, and I understand if they’re scared of the end of their existence
100% agree religion was founded on just the fear of death. They can't deal with the idea there is no real significance of our existence. We just smart animals.
Yes. Religion is for cowards. Nihilism is for badasses.
"they want to have a purpose"??? I keep asking theists - what does one DO in Heaven? And they keep running away
Describe a day to me - ONE DAY! And they run away
The problem is obvious - what work would the allmighty have for us puny humans?
So we have billions of people just sitting about, idle, a useless pointless existence for eternity
And this is the Grand Plan of God?
@@stainlessstove4629 nah, religion was founded as a means for the clever to control the gullible and simple minded. fear of a vindictive disciplinarian that sees your every move and reads your every thought 24/7 keeps the feeble minded docile. and being "the one who talks to god" was EXTREMELY advantageous in a time when life was cheaper than a filipino prostitute...it was always about control through fear (wasnt as philosophical and existential as you make it out to be)
Accurately true
for those who believe,
God does = a meaningful existence
and hope,for an after life,of even greater significance
but "belief" is not actually "knowing"
we have been given,no true way of truly knowing.
Knock knock. Who's there? Jesus. Jesus who? Jesus Christ let me in. Why should I let you in? I want to save you. Save me from what? Save you from what I will do if you don't let me in.
more from dying and not being able to live on in the next one , and anyway, why wouldn't you let him in ? you mean spirited tosser, what are you a Troy? .
TheNewBeginning no not really. We’re just told to respect everyone as Jesus would have respected us, assuming he was real of course.
Atheist.....And proud of it. Well done Professor Dawkins!
It's interesting, because this man does one of the best interview jobs of Dawkins I've seen so far
Still true
"When One Person Is Delusional, It's Called lnsanity...
When A Group Of People Are DelusionaI, It's Called
religion."
Robert M. Pirsig
The book is a real treat for readers - whether you believe or don't believe in what Richard Dawkins talks in the book. It is for sure a thought provoking literature. As he says, the problem with religion is one must simply accept whatever is thrown on you without questioning, but science says question everything before you accept it. The problem is not God, but the way God is interpreted by we humans and limited him to petty thing called religion.
Wow, I was really impressed with this interviewer. I was expecting a lot less from him, but he actually asked well thought out questions and allowed Dawkins to talk as much as he wanted. Very well done.
Nine years ago and still valid. But cut at the end, for some reason? Yes interviewer was v good.
Agreed! I get the sense that he isn't just asking for the audience's benefit but he wanted some answers for himself too.
I don't understand a reason for god. Why do we need god? Why do we need to believe in some supernatural hoax?
Because you live in this modern age. It would be different when you live in the past and you are surrounded by the act of nature that you do not understand.
because there are idiots in the world
Piracy Atheist All shite answers, religion exists because of the New World Order.
ArtherMatheuwStarling You know nothing of the real world my friend I'm sorry. All religions were created as tools of segregation by the rulers of the original empires. The rothschilds, Rockefellers, so on and so forth. Religion was used to bend people to knees are make them turn a blind eye. We've been being lied to since the birth of kings, wake up.
ArtherMatheuwStarling there is a lot more going on in the world than what you see and hear.
People are religious because they are scared of what they don’t know like what happens after death
As a religious person (who is capable of having respectful conversations with non-Christians), I have a genuine question for Atheists and if it seems as though I'm attacking anyone, that's not my intent (I'm also not trying to change anyone's mind; it's a genuine question). Do you hope you're right? Do you hope that all life comes down to is hedonistic pleasure? That's there is no afterlife? No higher purpose? That we're just accidental byproducts of nature? That sounds very nihilistic and lonely.
I believe in God wholly and fully, but I agree with Dawkins here when he says that congress shouldnt be just for those of religion
in fact you are deluded about the first half, hope you get right honestly
Congress and religion should never even even cross paths...
The satisfaction the host felt after finally getting the handshake is satisfying to see.
Richard talks about “evidence” as if only he is privileged to know if there could not be evidence if he was not aware of it.?
Anyone willing to put the time and energy into learning what scientific thought is and the consequences of making up explanations without reality to support them can understand what Richard Dawkins is talking about AND can read the works of other scientists in support of his conclusions.
Implying Dawkins is the only person who understands the evidence for reality and in opposition to fantasy thinking sounds like an attempt to defend the indefensible.
If you're aware of irrefutable evidence for a deity, please present it.
@@krisaaron5771 Think logically, if evidence known it would make our living impossible? We would be forever looking over our (collective) shoulders looking with suspicion on everything and the actions of everyone else?
“ Of the tree of knowledge thou shall not eat”……..who said that?
Why doesn’t someone tell Richard Dawkins…..?
When they cannot refute and are embarrassed by what you are saying, they resort to tampering and deleting to cover their rotten tracks, but retribution is on the way,,.?
The ATHIEST delusion. God is real. Anybody who states otherwise is ignorant to all the wonderful creations on our planet.
*atheist
@@danidejaneiro8378 watch the devil and father amorth trailer.
@@danidejaneiro8378 Google the 6 voices of annelise michel.
@@danidejaneiro8378 Listen to the 6 voices of annelise michel.
You give handshake looking in the eyes.
I never believed in god. My family was religious, and we went to church every Sunday, but I end up arguing with pastor. Every Sunday, so he politely asked my parents to talk with me. I said that god is fake, and I won't believe in lie. So they allowed me to not go to the church anymore. As I get older I understand how right I actually was. I am an atheist and my best friend was a christian. We were friends and everything was okay until she said to me, that there is no point of our friendship if one of us don't follow the other. I said, that it is impossible, because I won't and she won't as well. I said that it doesn't has to be like that, we can be friends. But she disagreed and now I lost the best friend I ever had. But now I see...
Atheism is a form of religion. Agnosticism is what you're looking at. Probably...
There are people who can acknowledge that they do not know all there is to know about everything who can see there are depths to our existence and others who want to believe that they know all there is to know about everything.
And there are others who want the world to believe that they do not know, but pretend to to know because they can use their pretence to carve out an easy way to make a living out of it….
Both are part of nature, the genuine and the imposters…….every action must have an equal and opposite reaction……it’s life.?
@@somerandomperson3970
Being unconvinced of any god is a form of religion?
Sounds a bit like Humpty Dumpty - when I use a word it means what I choose it to mean ...
Elina, your friend is brainwashed by Abrahamic cults and it’s the cult that’s at fault…she lost a good friend due to conditioning. Islam, Christianity, Judaism they r all the same …v intolerant and primitive . Stay free at heart
@@lenroddis5933 a religion is a pursuit followed with great devotion- that's the literal definition; it just so happens that belief in God is what people tend to be devoted the most to. Suspension of belief, as they've noted, is referred to as agnosticism.
got left hanging loooool
That's a great point not wanting children to be manipulated by religious views
"That's not a point in its favour is it?" Can't wait to use that in my R.E. class hahahaaha
" For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son they that believe in him will be saved and never die, but have eternal life."
So basically God is sending his son to divide people based on belief? So what we do in life, who we are as people does not matter?
So Atheist & Hindu doctors who gave their life fighting covid19 trying to save total strangers will get hell
And pedophiles & mass murderers of the cloth will get heaven?
God is like Putin, Saddam - rewarding those who support him and abusing the rest?
Amazing how free people living in democracies blindly follow communist, Dictator Gods
missed the handshake! he left him hanging! hahahaha
Thank you Richard for helping me escape Islam
Richard dawkins never cross paths with an exorcism case but she should have. I can't listen to him if he hasn't cross paths with exorcism cases.
Welcome to reality!
Hurr durr somethings complecated must have been GAWD
*Gawd disliked this comment*
Dur dur gawd gon punish yu dur dur
God can not be benevolent. If there is a god it must be both good and evil.
That handshake fail was EPIC!!
The truth is all that matters. He is my hero.
you love lies and hate truth. dawkins is a bald faced liar.
Who Jesus ,you're right, he has the truth not this maggot .
Never seen this interview before. But I like the casual nature it. The guy didn’t read questions from a script, just an educated guy who asked sensible questions on the fly. Wish all shows were like this
I respect Dawkins. We need more social gadfly educator like him.
Yeah, we need more losers like Dawkins spreading lies.
Richard Dawkins teaches the universe came from "literally nothing."
Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it.
We can't get anything from "literally nothing." We can't even get science without God. The laws of nature only can come from a Lawgiver, God.
God is the reason for us and all we have.
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“However improbable the origin of life might be, we know it happened on Earth because we are here.” -Richard Dawkins.
We only get life from life...the law of biogenesis. We can't get anything without God.
The odds are NOT there.
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No, the eye did not evolve into various eyes. Your mere chance mutations are absurd.
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Even Dawkins admits we can't know what is true because of natural selection...
The God Delusion, “Since we are creatures of natural selection, we cannot totally trust our senses. Evolution only passes on traits that help a species survive, and not with preserving traits that tell a species what is actually true about life.”
Dawkins is a legend
The fact that there is a conscience in every human being, which causes a person to regret committing any form of evil, is another strong proof of the existence of God. Otherwise, such a repulsion of evil would not have existed in his heart. Instead, he would have freely done whatever he wills. Therefore, this knowledge of good and evil has actually been placed in the hearts of men by God in order to direct their attention towards Himself.[9]
I saw that failed handshake at the beginning. Pewdiepie gave me ptsd.
it would be interesting to see how Mr. Dawkins would explain the many testimonies of how ones lives were changed for the better after meeting the creator
Dawkins only is devoted to being a loser for losers.
Richard Dawkins teaches the universe came from "literally nothing."
Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it.
We can't get anything from "literally nothing." We can't even get science without God. The laws of nature only can come from a Lawgiver, God.
God is the reason for us and all we have.
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“However improbable the origin of life might be, we know it happened on Earth because we are here.” -Richard Dawkins.
We only get life from life...the law of biogenesis. We can't get anything without God.
The odds are NOT there.
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No, the eye did not evolve into various eyes. Your mere chance mutations are absurd.
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Even Dawkins admits we can't know what is true because of natural selection...
The God Delusion, “Since we are creatures of natural selection, we cannot totally trust our senses. Evolution only passes on traits that help a species survive, and not with preserving traits that tell a species what is actually true about life.”
I can explain that for you
Having or believing you've had a supernatural experience,with god,is relative experience
you may tell others,who share your beliefs,and therefore belief you,or others,who just don't
In the end
whether we believe something or not
doesn't necessarily,make it true
or make it untrue
bottomline is,us human as a collective species,have no fundumental proof of a god/creator.
That book should be compulsory reading
So much for not forcing people your garbage
Flying Sourdough someone has to be opposition to nonsense.
The Jew said that she is not interested in logic and intelligence. She said she does not care about using arguments and logic when it comes to religion. She asked me what is the opposite of logic and intelligence is. But me being a nice person, did not call her those words. But by definition, someone with this mentality is idiotic, illogical, irrational, unreasonable and just a sad excuse for a human being...
5s in and I'm already laughing.
We can all agree on one thing... The fact that he got denied at the very beginning is funny
is a big deal. he wasn't aware of the hand, it wasn't on purpose.
2 Timothy "For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine.
Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great
number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear".
Stalin was raised a Christian, trained in a seminary to be a preist and later opened 2500 churches after establishing the Russian Orthodox Church to replace the Eastern Orthodox Church.
It's a fantastic book. It has so many haters still many years later trying to prove it wrong.
Even perhaps, science has always been fully developed, it's just our understanding of it that is lacking and thus improving over time.
tucanphos its been hundreds and thousands of years, religion is going nowhere, I think of religious people as undeveloped by hundreds and thousands of years 🤣
@Happy Nazeem real science has been over hardly 400 years and yet it achieved so much and just thing about it in 2000 years
Scientific methods (tests) ≠ SCIENCE, neither our understandings. At best, these are subsets of science. The efficacy or veracity of analytical tests (methods) are/have been/perhaps will always be in-questioned. That's where the development comes into play. The fact that the TRUE ABSOLUTE SCIENCE (or ABSOLUTE KNOWLEDGE) of a subject WAS/IS/SHALL EVER BE independent of any scientific methods (evidence)
As many are saying "...it is what it is..." regardless if a valid test method [or not] exist!
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Awkward...
Debate is like war. Not a war of power, instead it is a war of reason and psychology.
Refreshing to see a host who can actually have a discussion
And here we are with the threats, I love them :D come on, threaten some more.
I might buy this book...but then i'm gonna have to hide it Dx
Black Diva don’t be ashamed. I am a Christian and have read it, borrowed it from the library.
You shouldn't have to hide it, it's sad that this is what religion does to people. Embrace your non belief.
I agree you need to reassess your beliefs.
Stalin was raised Eastern Orthodox. He was educated in a seminary where he trained to be a priest. In 1941 he re-established the church as the Russian Orthodox church and wen't on to take part in the establishment of about 22,000 churches. I get sick of hearing theists blaming atheists for the acts of Stalin.
Great clip, could listen to Dawkins all day. I've just finished reading a book that's been pushed by him called 2082 The Chronicles Of Hope and it's about an atheist humanitarian politician. 1st chapter on the website for it i think and worth checking out... features a speech on atheism that is genius
Wow, how nice, you can listen to a loser all day.
Richard Dawkins teaches the universe came from "literally nothing."
Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it.
We can't get anything from "literally nothing." We can't even get science without God. The laws of nature only can come from a Lawgiver, God.
God is the reason for us and all we have.
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“However improbable the origin of life might be, we know it happened on Earth because we are here.” -Richard Dawkins.
We only get life from life...the law of biogenesis. We can't get anything without God.
The odds are NOT there.
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No, the eye did not evolve into various eyes. Your mere chance mutations are absurd.
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Even Dawkins admits we can't know what is true because of natural selection...
The God Delusion, “Since we are creatures of natural selection, we cannot totally trust our senses. Evolution only passes on traits that help a species survive, and not with preserving traits that tell a species what is actually true about life.”
There's no evidence of a multiverse either but he loves to mingle with that.
He doesn't say that it exists. He has highlighted discoveries in quantum physics for its potential existence. I think really though you are confusing him with Stephen Hawking and trying to score a point against Dawkins. Nice try though.
There are good valid theories that can back up a multiverse, more than what religion has haha
For services to humanity through spreading Reason and Common Sense Richard Dawkins deserves a knighthood and he'd certainly be Sir Richard by now if Queen Lizzie wasn't head of the Church of England. So it ain't gonna happen. Not that Richard would give a toss.
+jacquelineandron - in order to be a Sir, you also need to be a widely respected public figure and a gentleman.
no you dont lol look at Philip green
Many people incorrectly read Jesus as an impractical idealist like Don Quixote. Yet anyone who says an atheist is evil does NOT understand the Atheist's honest pursuit of truth. In fact, any Christian that calls an atheist evil MAY actually be condemning their own lack of faith in God.
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--He was called “King of Kings” and “God of Gods.”
--He was considered the “Only Begotten Son,” Savior,” “Redeemer,” “Sin Bearer,” Anointed One,” and the “Alpha and Omega.”
Its when the irreligious people get out and preach themselves. I dont have any respect for religious people.
Prof Dawkins is really an intellectual giant
No, he's simply a loser.
Richard Dawkins teaches the universe came from "literally nothing."
Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it.
We can't get anything from "literally nothing." We can't even get science without God. The laws of nature only can come from a Lawgiver, God.
God is the reason for us and all we have.
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“However improbable the origin of life might be, we know it happened on Earth because we are here.” -Richard Dawkins.
We only get life from life...the law of biogenesis. We can't get anything without God.
The odds are NOT there.
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No, the eye did not evolve into various eyes. Your mere chance mutations are absurd.
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Even Dawkins admits we can't know what is true because of natural selection...
The God Delusion, “Since we are creatures of natural selection, we cannot totally trust our senses. Evolution only passes on traits that help a species survive, and not with preserving traits that tell a species what is actually true about life.”
-Attis was born on December 25
--He was considered the savior who was slain for the salvation of mankind.
--His body as bread was eaten by his worshippers
--He was both the Divine Son and the Father.
--On “Black Friday,” he was crucified on a tree, from which his holy blood ran down to redeem the earth.
--He descended into the underworld.
--After three days, Attis was resurrected on March 25 (as tradition held of Jesus) as the “Most High God.
"I USED TO GO THE YOGA CENTRE..GOD IS NOT A CHRISTIAN,MUSLIM,HINDU..DID NOT WRITE THE BIBLE,KORAN,HINDU GOD..DOES EXIST..SPIRIT/SOUL BEING"
OK, but what is a spirit or soul? How was it assembled? Where is it? If you think about it, the word is just a filler for "I don't know". It has no real meaning.
I think theist's use the word Spirit/Soul to replace heightened consciousness or enlightenment that can be found in a religious or quasi-religious experience. In the end it really is just a work of one's own mind and imagination.
@Kitalia the kitsune
But how many are willing to set aside some time, develop equipment, careful thought, careful observation, record the data and share that data with others? What has mankind been up to for the last 50,000 y and let's not include the last 300 y? Apparently in terms of science, not much.
@Kitalia the kitsune
I agree with your comment. I was just saying that humans have wasted a lot of their time building churches, building new religions, war, politics, for maybe 50,000 y and more. And so, they never discovered early the atom, chemicals, drugs, heart operation techniques, and so on.
It is only in the last 300 y that a few small group of europeans dedicated some serious time to science and math. Then it took off like a rocket ship, once the fuse was lit.
Tell that to Jehovah when you stand before him on a day of judgment
the Hebrew god that had his people kill the first born and take the women children as wife and commit the most hideous crimes of humanity.
Not worried about it.
Let's not forget the Islam god that loves all but promotes execution to none believers.
@@MrFujin strange how all this gods are so full of love.
@@randyg.7940 They love us so much that they were willing to write thing we shouldnt do or we would go to a scary place and make us suffer for eternity. Seems like a lot of love to me.
@@randyg.7940 the Old Testament, y’all are so delusional I laugh
By asking who created God, Dawkins is referring to a created god.
Now if he had named the title of his book " The created god's delusion", he would not have sold many books or become so wealthy, as nobody believes in created gods, not even Christians.
So the only thing he is debunking is the idea of created gods, which we agree with, but he could have written a far shorter book.
Christians don't believe in created gods/idols either - We believe in God. The uncaused/uncreated eternal living God.
By asking who created god. He is asking who created god. So god created everything but god doesn't need creation? So if god doesn't need creation why can't the universe too just be there. The universe could have just appeared out of nowhere. Poor argument you have there.
You can't apply certain rules to universe and then a seperate one to god. If you do so. Give valid reasoning. If you argument is. God is almighty and the same rules don't apply. That is bull. In scientific eyes that is absolute bull. As Dawkin says blind faith.
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No you don't. You become an atheist or as it should be put as skeptical about god until further evidence.
When you admit that god may or may not exists and as of now is non existent due to lack of evidence.
We can change our minds if you give us god damn proof. Hehe. I used god damn.
So no it's not just a change of words.
We don't say my cold is because god is testing me.
We say my cold is because of some virus that god created to fuck with my immune system and hopefully kill me for no fucking reason other than for his amusement.
In other words it's just a damn virus....no god nothing...
kaister901 We can look at it in a different way.
God cannot be created. He is not a created God, by definition. He is eternal: Timeless. He exists external to our observable reality.
Space is created. It was thus created by an external agent, it is not eternal: time frame of 13.8 Bn years. It exists within our reality.
Space( as we have come to know the black expance ) is not nothing, it is an object of nature, with it's own natural characteristics. Something like space whicht is not eternal and has an age cannot create itself within the realm of itself. It finds it's beginning beyond itself. Thus anything we can observe on earth within the grasp of our reality, is created by something other than itself. an external agent if you will.
You may choose to not call that external agitator/agent God. You might call it something else. But by any degree of contemplation, you have to finally arrive at the thought that something outside this universe is responsible for the existence of everything within it. The universe is not the creator of itself.
What ever you think created God will have to fall behind in the same que as space and it will have to explain it's own existence outside of itself.
Marachenka
[D]o we need a God to set it all up so a Big Bang can bang? … Our everyday experience makes us convinced that everything that happens must be caused by something that occurred earlier in time. So it’s natural for us to assume that something-perhaps God-must have caused the universe to come into existence. But when we’re talking about the universe as a whole, that isn’t necessarily so.
…
The role played by time at the beginning of the universe is, I believe, the final key to removing the need for a Grand Designer, and revealing how the universe created itself. … Time itself must come to a stop [at the singularity]. You can’t get to a time before the big bang, because there was no time before the big bang. We have finally found something that does not have a cause because there was no time for a cause to exist in. For me this means there is no possibility of a creator because there is no time for a creator to have existed. Since time itself began at the moment of the Big Bang, it was an event that could not have been caused or created by anyone or anything. … So when people ask me if a god created the universe, I tell them the question itself makes no sense. Time didn’t exist before the Big Bang, so there is no time for God to make the universe in. It’s like asking for directions to the edge of the Earth. The Earth is a sphere. It does not have an edge, so looking for it is a futile exercise.
- Stephen Hawking
You can look it up that argument is by far the weakest and most over used argument that has been dismissed countless times. Yet people like you and others keep running to it. The we don't know what happened before the big bang is the almighty god of the gaps argument that is totally not accepted.
kaister901 thanks for the reply - for once it's a civil response amidst all the anger and name calling out there from the others
If time did not exist prior to BB, it begs another question:
What 'banged"? Something ( a particle perhaps) had to have exploded/expanded in order for there to have been a 'bang'.
If that particle existed prior to it going bang, then it must have existed within a particular dimension. Nothing cannot create a bang - we all know this.
So, if the particle existed within a certain dimension or space prior to it expanding rapidly, then by definition we can attribute certain time frame characteristics to said particle, meaning that if there was no time and no dimension: the particle could not have existed and would have no cause to create BB. Thus by virtue of the above, we have to say that there was some form of dimension other than what we currently perceive as space before the BB.
The question in a purely naturalistic scientific arena is this: Put the BB on the side and ask yourself in what dimension did the BB occur if not in space-time, and how did that dimension come into existence prior to space-time?
There is no eternal existence in our observable universe. Everything we have seen and ever will see in our lives had a beginning and end. Even the universe itself.
I suppose where you and I part ways is that as a Christian I conclude the following:
Since everything we see and observe has a beginning and end. Since everything we see finds its existence external to itself and since the dimension that gave origin to the whatever was responsible for the BB had to have had an existence in some way or form, I concede that only an all powerful, eternal, omnipotent and all knowing agent could have caused theses dimensions. There is nothing prior to this agent and nothing after it. I have come to know this agent/dimension/force as a personal God - Jesus Christ.
We may well differ on this, but I implore you to not look at the world out there and conclude that it's all empty, and that science will fill the void. Science as an existentialist philosophy will drop you stone cold dead if it has to. Do not let hypocritical Christians be the benchmark by which you measure the plausibility that an all powerful creator stands behind the backdrop of our existence.
By no means should this be a deterrent or incentive, but if you are wrong about this, are you prepared to suffer the eternal consequences?
I don't want to give a sermon here, but please do yourself a favour and have one last good look at the 4 main gospels - get to learn the character of Jesus Christ first before anything else - it is the single most important thing to understand. You cannot possibly understand the Bible without knowing Christ first.
John 14:6 - I am the way, the truth and the life, nobody comes to the Father except through me.
The good news is that the all powerful force that created everything has written our names on the palm of his hand. He calls us by name and he knows every single hair on our bodies, because he placed it there. He loves us dearly and wants us to commit to him.
1 Tim 2:4 - ...God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
I do not want to risk spending eternity in condemnation, when I can set aside my self-pride & the things that I have learnt from man and submit to God and be in pursuit of Jesus Christ's character.
Thanks for reading. hope to hear back.
Lots of people dont really know what Christianity is.like richard dawkins. Thats why they think christianity is hypocrisy
You wish there was a god when you are on your death bed.
Awais Noor even if god was real it wouldn’t matter. People that believe in god die too, lol
Awais.....says who? You're assuming people think that and that's the problem with religion, it's all based on assumptions with no evidence.
I'm an atheist, but I'm always curious as to what the live's of other atheist's on you tube are like and what led them to atheism. Personally I'm a 17 year old from Dublin, Ireland. I have an interest in film-making, science, animal rights, history & futurology. I became an atheist in October 2011 after watching various videos incl. that of Richard Dawkins.
If anyone else is interested in sharing who they are & why they became an atheist, please do! :)
No one can say for sure if a god exists or not . what we can say is there is no good reason no evidence of a god. Just as there is no evidence of werewolves or Pixies there is no reason to believe in them
Richard Dawkins has never understood that metaphysical reality trancends the physical; meta = beyond: Physics = the physical. There is no way to quantify something that is not physical, so he, along with many scientists, believes that these non quantifiable things do not exist. This is called the masked man fallacy in logic; this equates to assuming the identity of the masked man, in this case being God. Since we do not God in a tangible manner, we can not make assertions about it, and therefore, it cannot be subject to scientific methodologies.
Another example is this. In math, the Pythagorean Theorem applies to triangles with right angles. But if a triangle is missing a side (as a figurative example), the formula doesn't apply. Epistemically, we can only verify things that are known to us, so God would fall outside of the ontological realm.
Also, I'd like to remind Dawkins that all science grew out of empiricism. Our logical framework evolved as a result of observation and other empirical experiences. So, to say that there is no evidence to verify God's existence is true, physically speaking, but the sane could have been argued thousands of years ago. The first people on earth were fully aware of a force that we now call gravity due to their experiences with nature itself. This is how logic was invented, which is how science emerged. Francis Bacon was the father of this.
Science is also not completely objective, as our social norms dictate what we place value on a society. This is why, by and large, the east is more spiritual in it's essence. There is more of an equilibrium between Science and spirituality.
Science philosophy can coexist, but they need to be used in the right context.
Thank you
James walker
Cm Punk gonna get that championship title.
Criminal courts deal with evidence beyond reasonable doubt, which is exactly what I was talking about. There are standards of evidence - a gradient if you will - it is not binary or dichotomous. A civil court, on the other hand, deals with a preponderance of the evidence.
Your initial question deals with different ways of knowing, and in this video Richard Dawkins somewhat outlined what he meant by "evidence" in this interview. 1:36 for summary, though there's a little before.
I just had an argument with an Orthodox Jew. She gave me nothing to argue. Her reason for believing?= "The Torah says it is true so therefor it is true. Scientist have to do their job and I have to do mine which is believing in God." Her being an Orthodox Jew is not what pisses me off, it was the shear idiotic reasoning for believing that would make anyone with a 5th grade education, Theist AND Atheist pissed off.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but even if I take the atheist perspective, isn't the proof that there isn't a God equal to the proof that there is a God? So explain how exactly your decision to believe that God doesn't exist is more scientific than those who believe a God does exist?
It only proves that a concept of a god exists. Concept of a god is not the same thing as a god.
Replace "God" with "pink unicorn" and ask yourself these questions.
+SeriouslyKidding. I see your point. But I guess what I'm pointing to in saying God, is something that goes beyond words and language, something that existed before them and will after them, so yes, you can call it a pink unicorn if you'd like, but I'm not reverting to god in the sense that most atheists view god, which is the Christian god. But even if you're more well versed in religion, I'm not speaking of any human figure, just asi wouldn't be referring to a horse with a horn on its head of we called it a unicorn.
The main point I'm trying to make when talking to atheists is that their belief is based on no more evidence than those who believe in god, and so that stance doesn't answer anything aside from their inner state, which is one of pessimism. And so if you try to find god in other formats, like NDEs, but also including the bible, it's stated that god is love. Which isn't love as most of us understand, but unconditional love. And so it's reasonable to understand that most atheists don't believe in god bc, no matter what they portray to the world, or even try to convince themselves, they are unhappy deep down within. And it's evidenced by the anger or discomfort that you probably felt bubble up within you while reading that last sentence.
God isn't a person, it's indescribable by words, bc it's a state and feeling. You can try to describe love to someone until it can't be done any further, but until you experience it, you don't truly know it. The problem with most atheists is that they tried to find good in an explanation or logic, but just as with the example of explaining love, you can try to instance but God is felt, not understood. And so that's why atheists don't believe, if you truly felt god, you wouldn't question it anymore. And this is not just me saying it, it's pointed out by many NDEs, including atheists who've had them.
If you respond please don't go into how NDES are within the brain bc if you do enough research, just on UA-cam, you'd see that there's unexplainable examples that contradict that argument.
doggy255
Which religious text would you like me to quote that a god is not eternal love?
Greek mythos? - yeah, right.
Xtianity - the motherfucker kills almost 2.5 million people, not counting Noah's flood.
Pisslum? Hahaha.
"[atheists] are unhappy deep down within."
Lol, my irreligion does not tell me that I am a sinful creature that was made this way by an all-loving gawd, who will forgive anything, anything at all - murder, rape, incest, genocide, fratricide, etc. as long as I do not question whether he in fact exists or not. It is precisely why people are leaving religion in droves. Majority atheism by 2041, doesn't that cause "anger or discomfort that you probably felt bubble up within you while reading that last sentence"?
"And it's evidenced by the anger or discomfort that you probably felt bubble up within you while reading that last sentence."
I laugh at your stupidity, thanks for the chuckle. I could not care less what you think I feel. But whatever floats your boat. I tried to give you a rational, reasonable explanation, but you are here to troll people apparently. Your tail is showing, budz.
I have had a NDE 3 months ago - I almost crashed my car driving 110 km/hr on the highway into the vehicle in front that stopped. Did I thank God for saving me? No, I thanked myself for changing the brake pads on time, so not a scratch on me or the car. You obviously are not referring to the people being resuscitated - white light at the end of the tunnel, etc? 'Cause if you are, then I am afraid you are the one who has nothing to go on but rectum-derived drivel.
"God is felt, not understood."
The god dies the moment you stop believing in one. If that is not the best example of a fake thing, then I have no idea what is.
Peace!
Wow. Your anger is obvious and demonstrates my point that you mocked lol.
And you must have misread me, I don't consider myself a follower of a certain religion. But I think " god" exists beyond the interpretation most religions or people have on it.
Also you must not know about NDEs bc your car experience isn't what I was referring to, and your degrading of the NDE that I am referring to simply shows your disposition on what we're talking about, you slander or without knowing it. Very scientific of you. But if you're interested in actually having an understanding off what you berate, look up the surgeon who talks about their patient having an NDE, he's an older man being interviewed by another man and there's a part talking about post its. Also, It's not Eben Alexande who's a surgeon who had one. Also Pam Reynolds is very interesting. But my favorite to show skeptics is the surgeon purely based on the understanding that he'd have nothing to gain and only things to lose by coming out and talking about this, especially if he were lying, which if he were it would be easily disapproval by the other individuals who were in the operating room so it would make no sense for him to lie.
Whether you believe or not, probably makes no difference in the reality of what will come after this life. Believe what you will and maybe you are right, but I think there's enough unexplainable evidence pointing to life after this one, suggesting a purpose and god, that making a decision that there isn't is no more than opinion without consideration of the points made by the independent events during NDEs. And a rather pessimistic opinion.
@@doggy255 "Unexplainable evidence" is not evidence. If you have a belief - that's fine. If you want to argue that belief, have evidence. SeriouslyKidding presented all his facts in an organized manner, defeating ever argument you have. In return, you spoke a lot and proved nothing.
I was raised in a Christian household, including 12 years in Christian schools ( and 7 in summer bible classes), but none of it found footing in my mind. From my earliest memories I had no interest in religion nor desire to study its literature. At 12 the world started to make more sense to me and I then had the words to say that I had no belief. By 15 I was saying that I was an atheist. At 52 I identify as an anti theist as I rail against religions and blind belief. If anyone reading this can show ANY proof for ANY supernatural phenomena, including ANY gods, I will the first successful respondent $8,750 USD via an immediate PayPal payment. I have offered this money for more than 5 years but so far none have stepped forward. Shocking? Hardly, as I assume most religious people know they have no proof of their convictions.
I have the prove I could kind of answer you're challenge I have no pay pal tho but I am super amazing I could explain it to you what happen to me in several comments I could bring the supernatural to you with the snap of the fingers.
I know where the supernatural is I could convey my message to you I will grip you, I will bind you I will captivate you and I will enchant you.
I wish you could meet with every exorcist priest in the world but that's not what I am trying to prove.
watch the devil and father amorth trailer.
Listen to the 6 voices of annelise michel.
He thinks Gengis Khan was a bad person ? Lol what a lunatic
God how has George Strombalapopaoisus managed to hold on to this show for so long. He fumbles his words, asks awkward not entirely relevant questions, and just has this kind of unprofessional, Mtv turned TV host type of air about him.
Therefore, when I pray/meditate and really practice to not care about stuff and the "I gotta win"-rules, I feel free and peaceful. I come in contact with another, deeper, level in myself I didn't know existed. A level that science doesn't really talk about. It's not as simple as love or energy. I believe it's God.
I have no problem with anyone who says there is no God you are free to believe in Him or not but so do others who believe in God have the freedom to do so its our constitutional rights thanks to our founding fathers who had foresight to make it so.
The answer " I don't know " is much better than the incoherent god answer
There has been "scientists" and "realists" forever. A long time ago they said the planet was flat and that the sun was spinning around our planet. They also said that an atom was the smallest thing (it's not). Dont you think the scientist that thought the earth was flat were as certain about it as Dawkins is about this? It's all a question of WHEN you will find that LOVE is all we need. Love = God. Feel love and you will feel God.
Ironic how the god delusion is only banned in one country and that is the most atheist country of all, north korea.
Where did the need for science come from? Science is a human thing....
Science is a human thing??? Huh??? Guess what.....so is religion.
Amazing watching this 16 years later after he just confessed he considers himself a cultural Christian. Amazing what all those years of sawing off the branch he was living on does to one’s views.
Richard didn't shake hand at start, can tell you that things exist but you don't know!!
I believe this is the perfect "Cool story bro" comment opportunity.
What I'm trying to say is that GOD is not a he, she or it. It's EVERYTHING. It's atoms. It's energy. It's you and me. I just use the word God because it's our way of explaining it now. But it's all energy. It's all love. When you read my last comment about big bang, do you think of God as a "thing"? No, neither do I. I believe in God just as I believe in everything. Psychology and sociology never goes this deep. It's very just "scratching the surface". And I have read about it.
Magicians perform tricks. But if we can't explain the trick, does that serve as evidence for something?
Before any of you choose to engage in an argument with any of the people here in the comments, please remember.
"If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people".
"Those of faith are entitled to their belief as long as they don't try to impose it on others, especially those who don't want it. You have no place in government or education. So please don't attempt to do either here."
PLEASE THUMBS UP if only to stop the 300 character keyboard warriors.
The only one deluded in the context of Richard Dawkins statement, "God is not different from the tooth fairy" is Richard Dawkins. In the beginning God...and Richard Dawkins has read that verse and been troubled ever since. But he has not seen trouble like the trouble that will surely befall him as he comes to the end of his godless life. "The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. " Psalm 14:1 This puts Mr. Dawkins in the category of being a "fool."
In the real world, jurors are instructed that "If" they believe the testimony of a witness or witnesses, then they may find the defendant guilty. There is no mandate that testimonial evidence has to be believed. We atheists have found that those claims which are most outrageous are less likely to be believed, i.e., "my pal created the universe." Now, that's a big leap. That's different than "the guy had a beard." Welcome.
Organized religion is not the same as belief in God. God is between you and what God stands for for YOU. Anyone who argues about "God" is performing a remarkable waste of time, effort, money, and wasted consciousness. In other words the real delusional world of man.
I wish to remind you of Occam's Razor: the simplest explanation (requiring least reasoning steps) is usually true.
Science teaches not dogma, but what with Occam's Razor the scientists deduced.
Do you realize Ockham was a Christian?
We Believers know how the very first rebellion mentioned in the bible is going to end, and unfortunately anybody that makes the same choice of joining this adversary's team will suffer the same fate as their rebel leader.
That's NOT what I said. Read it again . . .SLOWLY . . . and you'll understand the context. And regarding your last sentence, that's part of the process of repentance. Ultimately, sin is against God, but oftentimes we hurt others. Part of repental restitution is not only making things right with God, but with the person you've wronged. It's difficult, but necessary.