F-14B v MiG-29A BVR HEAD TO HEAD | War Thunder
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- Опубліковано 14 чер 2023
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This does not accurately represent the effectiveness of these vehicles. While some of the objective strengths/weakness are showcased, a 1v1 will not accurately depict how these planes can be best utilized in real air realistic matches. These fights are for viewership/entertainment. This is not always how either of us would be using these vehicles in an actual games, mainly so in the fact that loitering around at high altitude isn't the most competitive way to play. It is fun though and makes for good looking video, so that's why we went this route. We Do still try to win against each other, just not using our preferred methods of fighting.
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I wish there were other modes, like a more competitive mode to ARB, like 1v1/2v2 BVR or dogfights, that would be super fun with ranking and stuff. Similar to Casual vs. Competitive in Counter Strike.
there’s TSS stuff
@@SeekerHead That too, but that's more specific and closed. It would be nice if we could just hop into a competitive match instead of having to sign up and wait for the dates like TSS, and maybe earn extra SL and RP compared to normal ARB, like a bonus reward depending on your rank and maybe like win streak.
fully agree. tss isn’t very accessible to people with lives
Gaijin needs to change how radars interact with extremely low altitude targets before that would be worthwhile. IRL flying on the deck is useful for avoiding detection, but if you’re coming straight at a guy he’s still likely going to kill you if you don’t defend. In WT it’s this magic safe zone once you’re below 200ft
There was something like that. I didn't know how to join those game modes😢
He is turning into growling sidewinder but in war thunder lmao
Just wanted to try a new style is all, he does make entertaining videos though :)
@@SeekerHead I love it keep up the amazing work like always
@@SeekerHeadI prefer grim reapers because they do a wide variety of content
@@Goober_____I love the Grim Reapers! They’ve got lots of great content like large scale battles, scenarios, testing new modules, dodging accusations of racism and discrimination, tutorials, failing to dodge accusations of racism and discrimination, getting upset about it and throwing a fit, air to air scenarios, air to ground scenarios, and so much more! Honestly way better than GS!
GS videos are wonderful
This video is 50% dog-fighting, and 50% psychoanalyzing your enemy
Wanna see more of these as more bvr missiles are added. More dedicated dogfights would be awesome too!
It s very nice to see these fights in 3rd person, you have a much better understanding of what's going on compared to when I play sim. I wish there was some kind of easy to use tac-view in wt as well
cute lion owo
really like this style of video would like to see more in the future gives a great idea of the abiltys of each plane, a lot like what the growling sidewinder does for dcs
the fact u can pull from a phoenix that easily just, bruh, people crying about it being overpowered just make no sence
Just russian players crying about an active radar missile usually
Thanks seeker, love this style and the commentary, and your crashing into the ground got a chuckle, as well as it is nice to know that the top RB pilots also hit the ground occasionally.
loved the vid my guy, would love to see more of it
BVR BEYOND RANGE COMBAT
No Visual? 🤣
No Vis? 😮😂😂😅
The fact that i was talking to a friend about how we now have the F-14B, Su-25k and the Su-39, we are catching up to DCS fast in terms of vehicle tech, and then you make this VERY DCS 1v1 Vid, just need interactive cockpits now 😂
15:50 bro thank you i heard they removed this feature bc i havent been able to use it in forever it used to be a different button ig but thanks
Love this style of video in war thunder, others have made the growling sidewinder comment and its great. New subscriber from me cause this is the style of video ive been waiting for. Good job brother much love
Love the new style of videos, keep it up!
Can't wait to see more of this DCS-style technical BVR fighting in War Thunder
if we get more BVR capable missiles and planes in the future, I would really love to see more of this style
Would enjoy seeing more content like this. Maybe not BVR necessarily, but 1v1 combat just for the fun of it would be great... til you get guns on target and get real shatter'd
Im researching the MiG-23MLD right now and this video just got me more hyped to get the MiG-29
Great video, love these videos you do. Should also do some Sim gameplay it changes everything. I have taken out F16 and F14 with Su17 in dog fights because its such different environment.
thanks man, although, I don’t really enjoy sim mode very much
liking the new type of video seek, the DCS bvr to wvr is quite interesting to see in war thunder
With this video you invited every DCS "Player" to critique you on every possible thing in this video. Good job I can't wait to laugh.
And everyone who watches Growling Sidewinder, Longshot, Grim Reapers, etc
In my honest opinion I think the 29 is better simply because the average player will be able to utilize the ER a lot better than the 6 sparrows and may be a few phoenixes (phoenixes in the right use are actually pretty good for keeping ERs off your ass or a free kill). I think with skilled players the F-14 is better since honestly it’s hard to die to any missile if you know what you’re doing, in fact it isn’t even ER’s that kill me these days. 8 amazing opportunities to get kills plus a radar that can switch to CW mid lock to avoid notching is really nice and if you’re patient it’s free 6 kills. Sure I agree with the not being able to utilizes missiles argument in an air rb match. But 9Ls are still powerful if not the most powerful IR missile excluding the python and r-24/27T, he’ll you could carry 4 of em and 4 sparrows. Then you get 4 guaranteed kills with more time to utilize em and if you use the 9Ls right it has a much better kill rate than an R-60M, but at the same time against skilled players no matter what missile you’re carrying they will never hit if they play right in which case the 29 is better because of flight performance he’ll you could say the F-16 is the best because it’s currently imo the best dog fighter. But that’s a stretch, anyway I really think you could go either way at this point just pick your preferred style 29 or 14B
I like this style, you should do more if this!
I love this DCS Growling Sidewinders type of theme
Yoooo its GrowlingSeekwinder!
This is the kind of content War Thunder UA-cam is missing!
more videos like this would be nice, not enough war thunder content focused on 1v1 dogfights
This is some real Growling Sidewinder stuff
Hopefully I can put enough of my own touch on this style to not be so correlated with that. His videos are so popular and quality though he has a monopoly on 1v1 commentaries, so we'll see.
@@SeekerHead comparing to GS is the worst insult
@@SkinkUA not really my cup of tea bc I don't care ab DCS much and it gets repetitive, but per video, he puts a lot of effort into them.
What's that box that blinks when firing?
Honestly I like this type of video 👍
See he said it in the beginning but in a 1v1 a bvr fight almost always goes to the merge since the two players if smart can dodge almost all the missiles
Love this 1vs1 really good vids
Nah I like this style, it reminds me of like long shot and growling sidewinder and I’m all here for it, no one else does this style in WT :)
So is there ever a time to use regular radar? I feel like there's an overuse of pd and regular radar would've gotten more hits especially up close
good video dude keep doing this
In second fight you could've used non-PD mode(SRC) for the second sparrow launch.
Might have been chaffed, or might have worked.
In my opinion, the two aircraft are evenly matched in battle influence for a couple reasons. Some already mentioned in the video. I'll start by comparing armament. The R-27ER is 100% the better missile when it comes to Fox-1 gameplay. Insane performance. It however should not be very difficult for an experienced player keeping their cool to notch once you've had some practice with it. If you're surprised from closer up, you can always just pull and spam chaff once you get close to the notch and once you've pulled through it. This is contrasted with the numerical advantage of weaponry from the F-14B.
Having 6 radar missiles that aren't as good may not favor the 1v1 much, as mentioned in the vid. However, I disagree with the sentiment that you will not have enough time to properly use all of them. It can be beneficial to the match sometimes not to just treat missiles as potential kills, but as utility. Sometimes, I will launch a missile at someone because I don't want them to be able to push me or a teammate, even if the PK is rather low. Bonus points if it actually kills my intended target. With the Mig-29, I have to carefully think about when I use my R-27ER's since I only have two of them. But with F-14B, I can be much more liberal with my shots, especially since my Aim-9L's are more capable than the R-60's of the Mig-29 (Mainly in terms of range allowing for more engagement opportunities). I have experienced plenty of annoyance from not being able to take possibly match-making missile shots or salvos because a player with allot of radar missiles just isn't giving me any breathing room. That and the majority of your missiles having a long kinetic range gives aircraft like F-14B allot of late-game initiative.
Performance wise, the aircraft both have high acceleration and climb rates, even if the Mig-29 is just a bit more cracked from it's TWR. I will say however, that while F-14B can perform well in a slow merge against Mig-29, the aircraft has insane energy retention at most speeds and, if given the opportunity, can wear down other fighters like the mig-29 if they aren't careful with their maneuvers. This does however mean ceding the initiative in a merge, so do this with that in mind. Sometimes, you may need to be more aggressive to prevent this.
ALL HAIL THE MIGHTY TOMCAT!!!
New to the mig29 and trying to fig out the radar stuff. In 10:27 how did you get a green box before it showed up on your tws hdn display?
That’s just the radar picking him up and the display being slow to refresh
I'd say add some music to the kill cams kinda like growling sidewinder does it ^^
HEAD SEEKER?!?!? Nah but fr good video. Yeah the R-27ER is kinda cracked (always has been). The only real issue that I personally see with the phoenix is that abysmal 17G pull. If the phoenix had similar max G pull to a sparrow or even slightly worse than a sparrow (25G aim7F) then it would be much more threatening.
The fact that its so slow durring terminal should mean its almost impossible to dodge in a head on but the damn thing is programed so bad that its basically useless
The MiG-31's R-33S should have 20g of pull, which could make it a bit more relevant than the phoenix for air RB.
@@jaek_898 Isn't that Semi-active tho
@@christopherchartier3017 pretty sure the R-33 is SARH and the R-33S is ARH but there isnt a ton of info about it
In wt planes pull much more Gs than irl, where 8-9g is a limit for a pilot, and are really hard physically to pull. Thus 17Gs that Phoenix has results in better pk, and 20+ Is a guaranteed hit unless defeated by energy/notch
Seeking Sidewinder and LeeShot
I found the new channel name
13:55 thx for the tip
Just for shits and giggles, do a dogfight video. Where you two merge in the middle before any combat begins.
Anyway, great vid. Thumbs up.
I’m a new wt player and I was wondering how to get into dogfight matches and unlock the f14
this is cool do more sir?
So i have a question... does ECCM mean that it does not track flares as well or is it a decreased chance of tracking flares?
In wt it means that a seaker fov decreases after a launch. So there is less chance that a flare happens to be inside it and confuse a missile. Irl that means that when a seeker detects a flare frequency (which differs from a plane's one), it turns the seeker of for a moment and just flies by ins
How do you get these longe range maps
I like the 1v1 videos for War Thunder
Recommend manual radar cyclic
how in the world are you locking targets without having to manually move the little thing on your radar??
All that I got from this so far is that Lee has zero clue how to dogfight in a Mig29
I wish there was a mode similar to sim battles and DCS servers ( Air Rb EC), air RB actually hurts to play, 20v20 on a 65km x 65km map is too small, or like 1v1 dogfight mode, best out of 5 wins. These modes would be giving rp as well, because I know there a customs out there, but they don't help with the grind...
what does it mean by aim54C/short mainly the short part
It's just my lang pack. I use a custom language folder and since this is a new update i havent updated my lang folder yet.
It would be cool to see the aim54s loft on there own
Lesson of the day: go cold when you get shot at with a radar missile from a MiG 29
On these higher maps where the deck is like 2k meters, the mig29 is definitely at a disadvantage in the dogfight just due to it losing significantly more speed than something like an F-14 at high alt, you need to get the kill in the first turn otherwise you're pretty much boned. Yes, you did beat him in the dogfight on Pyrenees but as you said you entered with a significant advantage but if you guys had entered on even somewhat fair terms I'm fairly certain you wouldn't have been able to do much. I just wish more people would realize the F-14's dogfighting capability and quit writing it off instantly just because the Mig-29 is in game.
It’s just objective fact that the mig29 does most everything better than the F14. Even rates better contrary to popular opinion. use WTRTI to get the numbers. In full real controls/mouse joystick the F14 has more advantages, but as always my videos are mouse aim in air rb. The F14s only big real strong suit is vertical loops, but the 29 will probably kill it before it gets too far ahead.
@@SeekerHead they rate the same at min fuel, but its far easier to keep optimal rate on the mig than the f14 unless you have ace crew and even then its hard to keep the pilot awake
Seek did you found or felt and difference between the AIM-54A and C?
There’s 2 very small meaningless differences. The 54C has a better INS tracking. This i guess is somewhat useful. other than that it’s 20kg heavier, and that’s if. Nothing really gameplay changing between the 2.
@@SeekerHead both shouldn't be as dog water as they are granted not by too much. They just don't seem to be anything more than guided rockets.
what does that box under your lock mean?
it’s for the camera the F14 has.
so you guys breaking the lock after launching 27er? i didn't know that
Yes, u just have to relock it as it gets close to the target so that it finishes it’s guidance. The INS can only do so much
yeah it gets datalink so its basically an AIM54 but you have to lock again for it to hit
Why is the MIG 29 RWR so weird?
I'm sat watching every new warthunder possible because I havnt been able to play since the patch released just keeps saying processing operation
huh, isn't the r27 a fox 1?so why doesn't the f14 shoots one phoenix and then crank a bit and then go cold? because the mig29 have to maintain the lock all the way till impact, meaning it can't defend properly and attack at the same time.
The aim54a seems a bit like fox 1's in the sense that if you break lock before it goes pitbull the missile is dead, the 54c doesn't have this issue
27ER has INS so you can lock, fire, drop lock, and then relock when the missiles gets close to target.
@@Huski3s but the other guy can just go cold and his phoenix will still lock on you.
It's weird asf when in DCS the F14B is one of the best at BVR, and the mig29 being quite average at BVR
Migs radar and the 27er has good all aspect PD and low notch filters. This means at alt, just going cold wont work super well unless youre also defending with manuvers and chaff to scramble the lock
No idea how they modelled it in WT, but in DCS we generally consider firing Phoenixes north of 30000ft, or what would be what, 9000m? And that's a bare minimum. Also, you are much better off firing them at mach 0.9 30000ft, then mach 1.2 20000ft. MUCH better.
Wt it matters much less, if not at all. Just as long as you use the pheonix high
@@anrw886 Roger!
Yeah, in wt there is less difference of missile drag on different altitudes
How do you toggle landing flaps I can only toggle combat flaps in the air
you need to use “flaps up” and “flaps down” binds. get rid of “toggle flaps”
@@SeekerHead or put down your gear and hit f
Não tem o F-14C ???
Growling Sidewinder
The update broke the game I keep getting the message Internal Server Issue - not connected
Yeah irl the aim 54 has way more range than the r 27. The r 27 is effective at like 30 km (16 miles) but the aim 54 is effective at 50-100 miles max range
literally wrong
@@user-su6ts9wm1hthe r27's range is 65 miles the phoenix is 120
@@user-su6ts9wm1h I use it in dcs, where you could shoot it from pretty far but most of the time its at like 30 km.
@@crimsonmoongaming4512 yeah and that's the absolute max range of the missiles. I was talking about the effective range most of the time. It would be pretty hard to get it to have that range on those missiles.
@@jimothywhimothy8683 the phoenix is 45+ while the r27 is 1.2-36.6 meaning the phoenix has more range the R-27 is just Russian bias
What keybind did he press at 5:53 can someone please tell me.
It’s the TWS radar mode, it will automatically find a target and then I lock it in once it popped up on my screen
@@SeekerHead I have my radar set to tws, but it doesn’t do this. You don’t have to press a key for it to lock?
@@SeekerHead what key are you using to “lock it in”
“lock radar/irst”
@@SeekerHead thank you sir. I also had to change the cyclic setting to get it to work like yours.
F14B if u look in the files is basically the same as the A, a little worse, and the aim54C is actually way worse then A for some reason.
No, The C Tracks better then the A and in real life had slower speed then the A.
It looks worse, but it trades 0.2 mach in speed for better tracking.
F-14B accelerates better then the A and can get to higher altitudes far faster. The F-14A is slightly better at turning, however the F-14B gets better once energy starts to drain.
So over all the F-14B is a solid upgrade.
It’s not at all the same as the A. the engines produce way more power, and are only worse at very high speed. the C is actually a bit better than the A, it’s just 20kg heavier but has a better inertial navigation system. Other than that theyre the same missile.
i really do want amraams in wt rn
It would just be the 27er scourge but worse. They just need to improve the 54 so it doesn't just act like a shitty guided rocket, improve the performance of the sparrow at low altitude aswell as improve its drag performance. Not to mention nerf the er's drag performance since its very much a brick
@@casematecardinal nah man. the r-27er outranges the early amraams by a shit ton. the amraam's only significant advantage is not needing guidance when its some few kilometers away from the target. you still have to guide it a lot in the beginning though. these aint meteors or aim-120Ds. we're talking about aim-120A and Bs here
the mig 29 should have gotten the r73 with this patch
Mig-29's sharpest rotation speed is below 350 km
"Well in DCS" 🤓🤓
We don't do realism here. We do Russian dream simulator.
I wish people would stop pretending DCS is a realistic simulation of missiles.
@@wirelessmouse9579war thunder isn’t that good either
@@ashati3176 The difference is that War Thunder players aren't claiming their game is the gold standard of realism that all other simulations should be judged by.
(I'm also an avid DCS player, by the way.)
I think the radar gun sight for the F14A is bugged I was dogfighting a friend and the gun sight was so messed up
14a doesnt have a radar gunsight, unless it changed recently
@@CHADTHUNDERCOCK80085 it does
either the r27er is too modern for this time in the game or its artificially buffed, one or the other its not fair and needs to be changed
This missile r27er was introduced on 1990 ussr, that is why it is so impressive, and the same time what a fuck.
Going by in game performance we should have amraams
This vid is a great reminder that in war thunder *all* mid-long range missiles in the game are completely useless if the target goes cold/defends by hitting the deck. Funnily enough though, most WT players are kill-hungry and hardly ever go defensive, leading to random retards blowup up to phoenixes every round. Laughable.
lol goes vertical w busted engine against a mig29, doesn't swap track modes while guiding aim7s, doesn't even try to reacquire target with iog idk maybe just need more wvr experience with the f14. solid bvr fundamentals, although phoenix's would bang harder if you were on the deck looking up ~25 miles, the aim54 burns for ~2min. In a 1v1 in warthunder best used as a discount aim120, and swap from pd track to track when they try to notch your radar, then spam reacquire through chaff to keep the missile's iog on the right track, let the prox fuse do the rest
Bro shoot down his missles with the aim 54
200 IQ
Cant wait till amrams
Ah yes playing warthunder the unintended way
Ripping it on the deck sprinting to blow your missile load at the first enemy you see like a crack whore in Brooklyn.
Climbs out at 45 degree angle, calls it 90. Unless you meant you weren't climbing out towards the tomcat.
I mean 90 degrees i’m relation to his radar. I’m flying perpendicular in relation to him.
How rude. The ER interrupted the explanation.
Also seek, something I learned yesterday is that the laser targeter can prompt the radar gun sight, if you want to be sneaky with it for those mid range gun shots. Lee didn't know that until yesterday either when I told them. Constantly learning stuff about this game
is the f16 better than the f14?
too subjective to say, persoanlly i’d rather be in an F16 AJ and Netz than the F14 bc i hate f14s. just me tho
@@SeekerHead but if it was only the usa tree which would bebetter since thats the only 2 im currently able to grind
I’d go F14
I can’t even play this patch because the Xbox version is completely broken.
Need to use custom maps without the AI and AA bs in the middle of the map.
Damn, BVR in War Thunder its like a bad joke
is this in the mission viewer 3:07
replay yes
R-27ER has a max range of 40 miles IRL, Pheonix has a max range of 60 miles (40 effective at fighters) In DCS, I launch a Pheonix at 50 miles and it will probobly hit my target, he would not be able to launch for another 10 miles after you launch that Pheonix.
Wait for F-15, then MiG-29 is gonna loosing dogfights
then su27 is gonna laughing at f15 xd
@@qwerty15324 i don't think so
The tardation in all these comments. F15 would get destroyed by a mig in a dogfight. Yeah it has powrful engines but its fucking heavy. F15 is a missile bus with a very strong radar. Mig would be dust before it ever gets within a merge
I'm not going agree with you
R27er just shouldn’t be in the game right now
Its a shame the Phoenix missiles are so crap on WT. In reality, they accelerate extremely fast, and could pull over 25g.
In WT they accelerate like a snail, and only 17G.
The phoneix is known for being an insanely fast missile.
i dont know about fast accelerating but they can get to high speeds which is what makes them hard to dodge, but if the aim54 was realistic in wt it would be op af, especially in sim cause you wouldn't get a ping on the screen while its burning
@@SHEEPS_123 Understandabke they'd have it nerfed for balance. But then why are none of the Russian missiles nerfed for balance? Why does every single NATO missile underperform when compared to their real life counter parts, while the Russian missiles are over performing in many aspects
@@PotatoeJoe69 idk, im not an air rb player, but i guess ground rb has its own problems with russian tanks
@@PotatoeJoe69 nerf for balance? The 54 is basically useless and the er is a scourge able to knock planes out of the sky 10 km from their own airfield.
17g is correct single plane maneuverability. Phoenixes are 17g single plane and 25g dual plane, but war war thunder does not model dual plane maneuverability for the sake of simplicity and consistency. It's the same reason the aspide was nerfed from 35g to 25g, the source gaijin originally used was for two plane maneuverability.
its bs they didnt give us a new sparrow
hi
hi christian
How come the gun of a mig-29 can destroy so easily a tanker like a tomcat?! And the gun of a tomcat does nothing to a mig 29? I call bias. IRL this is not supposed to be this way.
30mm high explosive vs 20mm high explosive. You can fit a lot more boom in 30.
@@CHADTHUNDERCOCK80085 and yet IRL a tomcat has yet to be blown up by gun shells.
Man I like some of the new content but they screwed Britain over not only did we not get nothing of value for the tree but they nerfed the harrier GR.1 yet again.
Modern britain aviation just isn’t good. It will stay that way for the foreseeable future until we’re into gen 4.5 aircraft
@@SeekerHead they could at least stop making it worse
bloke thinks hes growling sidewinder
also, idk if anyone will read this, but when you are pulling the crank, try not to turn too much as you might accidentally lose lock (maybe, idk how war thunder works) and you will bleed energy. Also, at 4:35, when someone launches a missile at you, don't run away as you are already inside that missile's min abort range, meaning the missile will catch up if you run, instead, pull into a notch and dump countermeasures to keep the most energy and have the best chance of dodging their missile.
And when you are notching in bvr, don't recommit immediately as the bandit's missile/ the bandit itself might be able to reaquire you and lock on again, I think that's why you got hit by that Fox 1/3 (I forgot which that missile was)
or I could be completely wrong cuz idk much about war thunder top tier, all of the things I have been saying have been learned from DCS, not WT
Viggen beats both of them
/s
My skyflash on its way to nail the local wildlife instead of the plane directly in front of it
27er same range as the phoenix? 😂😂😂😂 what? You can send a Phoenix at 60 miles and your radar can lock the mig at those distances, while the mig is blind beyond 30 miles
"War thunder is a sim bro" yeah right lol
literally nobody has ever said WT is a sim
Phoenix can hit a target from 60nm only if it is launched above 35k feet and a target also fly higher 35k. Find a wt fight with these altitude first
HOLY you are bad not even a fair fight like wtf??