Bad News BMW: Vanos 2A82/2A87
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- Опубліковано 14 сер 2020
- It's a used BMW with a Check Engine light, setting the common Vanos 2A82 and 2A87 codes.
Needs some solenoids, right?
But we'll delay the parts cannon until we eliminate all the other variables...PLACE YOUR BETS NOW!
Keith's VANOS video @NewLevelAuto :
• 2009 BMW x5 2a87 Vanos
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Ivan - Авто та транспорт
watching youtube on how to diagnose a car on a youtube channel on how to diagnose a car.....that is a new level
Why struggle when you can go the easy route?
smart people build on already established information. Only an idiot tries to reinvent the wheel.
I really like how these videos are straight forward with no drama, loud music, or other crap.
well said
I really enjoyed watching you go through the diagnostic process. Awesome video!!!
Know when to walk away and ,KNOW WHEN TO RUN!
He would just run into another one. 💩
Buy another cheap one and roll the dice
Sounds like a Kenny Rogers title or lyric to one of his songs
sometimes you could get a good deal because most people run away before seeing the issue. they are dirt cheap to buy that it's worth the gamble..
Excellent job checking oil pressure! These oil driven parts rely on that. The sound from the filter cap and the new solenoid indicated a deeper problem. Well done, Ivan!
Thank you Ivan. Good job. Have a blessed and safe week to you and your family.
The oil pressure goes down when you rev the engine if the oil level is low, the oil isn't returning to the pan or if the pickup screen is plugged. If you find a "deal" on a BMW.... RUN AWAY!!!!!
The Germans have not yet figured out how to make Plastics and Rubber. All goes bad prematurely.
run from any BMW lol, don't do it!
Witchita is the home of 4 or 5 You Tubers that buy old BMWs and get them repaired at either "The Car Wizard" or "The Car Ninja", but he doesn't have his own channel yet. Sio you want to subscibe to "Car Wizard", "Hoovies Garage", "WatchJRGo". Watch the estimates they get to fix BMWs and Mercedes.
It’s not “The Germans”...it’s Ze Germans. 🤣😂
Had a good chuckle from you. Run. loll
Cheers Ivan, nice strategic approach. Thanks for the guidance 😉
I experienced the belt phenomenon on an n54 motor myself, heat exchanger seal which is bolted to the oil filter housing shrunk, leaked oil onto the belt which shredded and went inside the motor, knocked the timing out enough that the motor wouldn't start and run, pulled the pan, cleaned out the pickup which was full of belt material, redid the timing with the tools and she is still running today. Customer got a hair shy of needing a motor, very lucky guy.
On my 2009, they just rerouted the belt. But you can't let oil start leaking onto it from the oil filter housing. Stupid engineering.
You cant blame us this time.
They used a Dorman belt tensioner. It failed, caused belt to slip and caused this whole issue.
This time. So you admit it is often. No dorman parts are worth the value of the packaging
😂😂😂😂😂
No, but I can blame y'all for nearly 2/5 control arms and window regulators being boxed wrong from the factory.
Dorman sucks.. wait until next video
Excellent judgement and diagnosis,best regards,this is BMW.
Yes sir the pressure in the oil filter housing is key!!, Also the 2 aluminum oil filter screens down low on the passenger side of a N52 engine are something to definitely check out-not easy to get to!
The bad tensioner/shredded belt/blown engine thing was also an issue on an occasional Honda Odyssey 3.5's a while back. Nice diag Ivan. Thanks!
Thanks bud 👍. Awesome video as always !
Thanks Keith! It was pretty sweet to watch your video on your favorite Launch scanner haha
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Ivan, I noticed you're wearing Keith's pants (double knee black denim) in this video. Is that a requirement for diagnosing BMWs? lol
Good call Ivan,steer clear of those major problems not worth the headaches.
Not just a "great repair," that's farquing awesome! Funny- wife was in St. Coll. yesterday when the issue arose! Had I known, would have sent her to you. However, given the precision of the system, and the fact you so carefully diagnosed 4 turns for repair at first sign of problem, I too will try 4 turns, and bet I can replicate the repair. Saved me unbelievable time, expense, confusion.
Ivan, I taught Vocational auto mechanics for 35 years. When oil pressure drops with increased speed it usually is oil starvation. Partially plugged screen, cracked pickup tube, etc. Another cause of low oil pressure besides a the usual like dilution, etc. Could be a shaving or whatever caught in the oil bypass valve causing the oil to mostly just dump back to the oil sump.
mine was the filter ! thanks Keith .. and pine hollow
I appreciate the updates.
both of you guy's have something new to learn
Scott Kilmer? No comment! Love your work dude. U really saved my ass on that pt snoozer video with the TIPM!
Smart decision Ivan, you called it.
When the oil pressure drops when engine revs up the oil pump is also worn and possible other parts worn due to the oil pickup been clogged.
A good video well demenstrated
I would think possible cam shaft bearings. Now I haven’t finished the video yet Ivan but maybe drain the oil and see what you find and if it has the glitters I’d pull the valve cover and see what you find. Just something I would look at. Now back to the video to see what you decide. I’m only up to the test drive portion. You and wife stay well Artie 😊😊😊thanks for the update.
I had a similar issue on a 2007 Escalade. The check engine light would come on with a Stabilitrac warning on the dash. The variable timing wasn't working properly and if you revved the engine quickly, the timing would advance. Bring it up slow and it would set a variable timing code every time because the timing didn't advance to what the ECU was calling for. The issue was the oring on the oil pump pickup tube. The oil pressure was low because the oring was not sealing properly inside the oil pump housing recess where the tube is inserted. I verified the pressure diagnosis by putting in 20-50w oil and a can of STP oil treatment. After that, no variable timing issue so that proved that oil pressure was the culprit. Changed the oil pump and new oring and that was 40,000 miles ago and still running strong.
Damn good video bud. That's exactly what my problem is. At dealer confirming. 2010 bmw 528i n52 e60 at 106,000 miles.
THANK YOU SOOOOO MUCH.
Wise man, choose the stuff you want to work on!
Hopefully they've put some of these problems behind them by going back to a closed desk engine block. This gets rid of the bed plate. I have a 11 335i with the N55, awesome power. You just have to keep an eye on everything that could leak and not let oil get on the belt. Owning a BMW is not cheap even if you take care of them. Good call on finding the metal in the filter!
Oohh man, that's insane!! Here I was, as soon as you mentioned history codes for the starter, I was expecting a pinched harness or something. Isn't that one of the models where you have to pull the engine to replace the starter? So many potential problems...
Good to see the dealership he bought it from was willing to work with him a bit!
Do not have to pull the engine to replace starter. It's under the manifold.
U couldn't pay me to take a used bmw,thanks Ivan👍
Very good explanation!
Ivan, it is times like this when I'm glad I bought the right BMW. Mine is the E36 318i saloon (sedan).
Great video, sir! I always learn a lot from them. PS: funny crazy spittle laugh at 28:58
It is unfortunate that he bought a car with a bad engine. But I would say that it could have been avoided with good maintenance from other owners. Good job as usual Ivan :)
Владелец легко отделался. Какой порядочный продавец, удивительно...
Кейт дал бесценную подсказку и направление!
I don't blame you for shipping it. not having a 2 post lift, support fixtures, engine hoist. I had to do an engine on an infinity a year ago, and it was locked up. I used the power train lift table we have meant for the High Voltage Battery for the Chevy Bolt, and lowered everything on to that. Sometimes you gotta learn to walk away. Its good he got assistance of getting another engine put in. Very interesting on the belt getting sucked in to the crank seal and clogging up the oil pick up tube.
Hi Ivan, thanks for all the knowledge you share. I noticed you use the Launch a lot. I’ve been researching a diag tool that will work and play well with my wife’s Audi A6, my Land Rover LR3, my sons ‘02 CL550 and the twins Corolla. Would you suggest the Launch? I’m just an avid DIY’ER looking in sub $1,000 range for an as close to full range diag tool
great vid ! and thanks for the follow up.
They can put the oil filter right in your face, but hey can"t give you an oil dipstick...and I thought GM. engineers were bad.😃
You can thank emissions regs for that.
@@rafflesnh Please tell me how emissions regs prevent engineers to put an oil dipstick.
New Sprinters don't have a dipstick, but have the same exact dipstick tube as the older ones. Seal they used just pops off like the dipstick. Its not about emissions.
Having a dipstick in a vehicle engine compartment is a waste. Few of the dipsticks in the passenger compartment would ever use them.
Exactly. A dipstick is not meant for a "dipstick" driver" you're not thinkin with your dipstick Jimmeee
Very nice video, thank you.
"When have you seen an oil pressure go down when you rev the engine a little bit" made me laugh then shed a tear for the owner.
I have a Ford... I thought that was normal.
@@TreyCook21 Maybe Ford and BMW are sleeping together.
On the BMW N52, there are Vanos oil screens on the front of the head on the passenger side, there are two of them, intake and exhaust. They just look like aluminum torx bolts, but remove them, spray them out with brake clean every 4-5 oil changes. If they get gummed up, the Vanos valves will not get sufficient oil pressure to actuate. People don't know these screw in screens even exist and will often replace the soleniods when just a cleaning of those two screens will do the job. Just another piece of the puzzle, but that motor was in a bad way and was short for this world unfortunately.
Thanks for the explanation, I will keep that in mind of I ever stumble upon that problem.
Yeah, these Vanos parts are pretty bad engineered. Diagnose Dan had a BMW on which they had these problems, replaced both Vanos actuators and mixed up in and out what lead to 15 degrees premature injection and spark.
Nice I’m gonn start doing that to my e70 every few oil changes..👍
The tentioners that throw the belts off usually give you plenty of warning before they lose the belt. I work at a german shop that does about 70% BMW and every e90 that comes in gets checked for this issue. If the tentioner is going bad the belt will be not riding square on the tentioner pulley. Even will run up to a 1/4" off the pulley before throwing it. Replace the belt and tentioner and you are good to go for a long time.
@Brendon Lind, I just had a 4k repair to my '07 N52 X3 because I was a dumbass and didn't take it to my euro shop to fix the whine of an impending belt/tensioner repair. Belt blew and got wrapped around the tensioner pulley and sucked through the front seal and left a great big heaping pile of black belt spaghetti in my oil pan, which in turn jammed up my oil pump. Love my BMW's, but live and learn. Pay your mechanic now, or REALLY pay him later.
Had this exact issue a few months ago on a 2010 X3 (minus the metal shavings). Same codes, that would reoccur on second startup. Also would have the little throttle raise. It ran perfect. I got it from the auction cheap as a one owner with low mileage. Inspected then replaced both vanos solenoids and it didn't change anything.
I was about to replace the engine. I noticed it JUST had an oil change done, and had 5w30 listed on the sticker. I replaced the filter and oil with 0w40 mobil 1, and the codes never reoccurred. I believe this issue was why it was traded in. You can't cheap out on a german car.
On the oil fillet cap it actually says “Castro 5w30”.
@@Littllewilly0316 bmw also say 20000 miles between oil changes. Do you listen to that nonsense as well? 5w30 is what they recommend but 0w40 will also work well and you can have slight variations based on the climate your in.
Watching Keith's video inside Ivan's video. What is this? Inception?
That's why I picked up a gold 2000 Mercedes E320 with 233k miles on it for $525 and it's running like a champ, I put in $2k in for repairs, the engine and trans run like new. I had to do engine and transmission mounts, changed coolant, oil, transmission oil. Had to replace power steering high pressure hose that was leaking. I did seafoam treatment on the intake and through the gas tank and in the crankcase. The paint and interior are in really nice shape for the year and mileage.
Ivan + Vanos = brave tech analyst. Those variable valve timing systems look intimidating.
dogs plants cars & neat stuff simple enough in theory but in practice.....it a solution in need of a problem....and barely reliable
could have been worse. The V8s have two VANOS units.
@@adotintheshark4848 Double Ouch!
@@dogsplantscarsneatstuff176 you got that right. I have a '94 740iL..the last 740 without VANOS.
@@adotintheshark4848 How many miles do you have on it? So does it have VVT(variable valve timing)? Is it one of the more reliable BMW's?
Awesome work 👏. I agree with your decision & assessment. I would have done the same.
Wasn't much of a problem really, shucks just needed a new engine. Liked the downturn at higher revs and free metal shavings for the electric kiln, how thoughtful. Scotty, the prophet from Texas, words came to fruition on hearing the verdict. He must have burnt his fingers and the rest of his extremities trying to repair some of these contrary machines. Keith ,the prophet from Staten Island, seemed very familiar with the intricacies of BMW and was,
as usual, very informative and helpful. All in all, a very unusual study but pointed the customer in the right direction and resulted in a equitable solution for both relevant parties.
that engine is toast
The code set for the BMW variable valve timing is as follows...Variable Valve Timing (VVT) Generic OBD-II Fault Codes:
P0011 "Tow to Junkyard" please continue with the outstanding videos, thanks!! any other related codes you need to speed up the towing timetable!!
PHAD - I think Super Mario did one like this a while back. Oil leak turned into a bad engine.... rough country where I come from bro.
Smart move to take the Kenny Rogers approach, #respect
Think you did the right thing in not marrying that car lol. Never knew about the belt issue with them! Some useful information to store in the brain for future. The first time you pulled the filter out you could see the metallic glitter in the housing and knew it wasn't going to be good. Makes me wonder what the switching pressure on that oil switch is set to? You would think the oil pressure light should have been coming on in the higher rpm's if pressure was falling that low. Crazy!!!!
belt issue is usually only an n54 issue
Have fun with the oil pan u gotta separate the transfere case and drop the subframe
Customer: Ivan,I have a problem with vvt on my BMW.
Ivan: hold my Vodka
Hahaha!!!
Ivan : (starts browsing for a new Yacht) Oh what kind of BMW problem are you having ?
A diagnostic tool that looks up Keith videos!
That's why he likes the Launch haha ;)
I'd buy that one
The Vanos system has a service kit where you replace some seals and it keeps the VVT's from leaking oil pressure.
"Customer got it real cheap". good stuff.
When i hear this i know i got room to spend some money on it :)
Not if the money light is on buddy 🤣👌🏽
Great vid!
I Recovered a Vanos System by the Hyperflush product. Damn good.
A BMW with Vanos issues? Never been heard, right? 😉
If that doesn't turn you off BMW nothing will.
It should come with a slot to insert money in order to start it
Good one🤘😂🇨🇦
Hahaha
There is no such thing as a cheap BMW
Not cheap to buy, not cheap to run and not cheap to fix. The neighbour has bought one, let's see how long he keeps it!
I'm pretty sure salvage yards get great deals on BMWs all the time
BMW pre about 1998 were great cars and were capable of living very long lives. In fact, it appears to me that the 90s BMW are out living the 00s cars.
or Mercedes....
If you vannos stop working” no oil will lubricate then guess what ? 💀 check oil pump/ vannos
I don't know the specific BMW models, but some of those engines are notorious for rod bearings wearing prematurely, which then causes low oil pressure. The problem is that once the metal particles are circulating around the engine, you get solenoid problems and other VANOS issues. You should be able to roll in new bearings with the engine in the car, but I think the cradle has to come down. Not a job to do laying on your back!
That would be the S54 6 cyl and the S65 8 cyl found in M3 BMWs. Problem is you only hear about the ones that fail and that is usually because mechanically unsympathetic people rev the shit out of them before they have warmed up. I own a E92 M3 with the S65 and always let it warm up before a workout and never had a problem with it. They are a great engine putting out better than 100hp NA per liter back in 2007 so of course a highly stressed, you just need to be gentle when cold. Unfortunately most of the wankers who bought them new wouldn't know how to put air in a tyre
Im betting the mechanic who "fixed " the engine just pulled the oil pan and cleaned the strainer which allowed the oil pump to work normally. The noisy oil filter was caused by cavitation in the oil pump due to the plugged strainer in the pan. That fix should keep it running long enough to get it sold to the next BMW bargain hunter.
I used to have a 2001 Ford Crown Victoria 4.6. I bought a bunch of new filters from a taxi cab company that phased out their Crown Victorias. The brand was Prime Gard.
I went through 3 filters, they made a high pitch buzzing/whining sound and caused my oil pressure gauge to fluctuate. I originally thought it was the torque converter, because I switched out the oil filter and it kept happening.
Finally I got to the 4th filter and the noise went away.
Moral of the story, don't cheap out on something that's already inexpensive to begin with. You can find the video of the buzzing/whining sound on my profile. This saga was from 7 years ago!
Great video..got some good laughs from it too..
I'm sure this has been mentioned but you can actually but a cover to protect that crank seal from belts being consumed do £60 .I've been led to believe its normally an oil leak from that oil filter housing or heat exchanger that causes the belt to depart .
Great channel only discovered it yesterday and a have a BMW 125i n52 lump great engine service every 5 k and check always for little oil leaks.
Launch uses Factory OEM Software for BMW's. That clicking noise around the filter sounds like a problem with the DISA valve (if it has one). Oil looks like it has been recently changed, level is ok but is the oil grade the right one? Maybe they put the wrong one... That would explain the metal shavings in the filter and because of the engine wear (has bigger gap between moving parts) then we get, as a result, low oil pressure. Thicker oil grade might temporarily solve this issue? Love your bonus footage and follow ups!
If BMW wants to eliminate oil stick they should think about adding some oil pressure sensors along with their oil level sensors.
There is also a spring in the oil filter cap. Ensure it is in working order .
Hi Ivan, Good call on not wanting to get more involved with any additional repairs. You also might want to consider blocking out the license plates on your customers vehicles.
What about the hundreds of people on the road that see the plate?
good advice
Great call on your part, you did the right thing, walk away from the BMW quickly. Metal flakes in the oil filter, low oil pressure, that engine will be gone soon.
Nice video
Owner should have first consulted Scotty Kilmer before purchasing. :0
At least the seller didn't leave the owner completely high and dry. Good call.
I had the same rev symptoms but without codes. It was the CCV diaphragm, needing a new valve cover.
Can you explain this more? Was your idle really rough?
You Hit it right when the engine revs up and the pressure drops it means the pump is staving for oil. The inlet screen is plugged up.
The exact same thing happened to my 2008 X3.. I still can’t believe that slivers of the belt went into my motor through the crankshaft pulley. That should be physically impossible!!!
Hey you should check both non return valves and make sure theyre not clogged .
I use Autel it works like a charm!
"I got a great deal on a used BMW!". Ivan, Scotty, Eric in unison : "Sure you did."
Pull main and rod cap roll in a set of bearings, along with check oil pump screen. Of course check crank for damage . This might work if there was no damage to the top end ect
Easy fix, it's only the poor quality oil seals in the vanos turned to toast, replace with viton, job done
No..no..its so much more
BMW once meant something.Now they are piles of plastic crap.😎
Metal shavings = damage already done
sell it and get a w204
apachelives yep, saw that later in the video... that thing is a boat anchor now. 🤣
@@apachelives depends on where they came from, could be the chain or the vanos. The engine is protected from shavings under normal circumstances. Drop the oilpan and look if there is more in there. If yes, it could be the bearings of the crankshaft. If not, look at the camshaft bearings, the oil for the vanos come from the head. The oil pump as a filter in front and the oil filter should fetch the smaller parts and shouldn't push the oil through the bypass.
Maybe somebody fucked up the threating of the oil filter housing and it's the threats or plastic from the filter housing.
You could spent hours on that alone. But here, without watching the complete video, I guess the pump died and that's where the shavings come from.
I saw the Royer sticker on the back, if that is the one from Dubois where I live, the "Good Deal" explains a lot!
LOL good eye :)
you want to talk about a poor excuse for a used car dealer, when they dropped the different engine in, they took my brand new starter i just put on, new pass cv axle, and put me the old plugs and coils on when this engine had 43k miles, and then called me to tell me it needed new cv axle to drive lol. i hope karma comes back to get them.
@@willd3808 I could tell You some stories, but I won,t!
Had like 6 faults from injectors to Both Vanos. All codes gone when replaced everything with new parts.Even new radiator and hoses. No leaks. But for the life of me I still get Vanos code. Car has been sitting for 2 weeks. Wont dare drive it like this. I am about to put old Vanos solenoids back on as never had the fault for the dam things to begin with. Was told to swap out every time I did a tune up. No metal shavings or anything like that. I did get a different style filter for the oil so might just buy original BMW filter tho. That might be the issue. Thanks for the heads up
2A82 Einlass VANOS code still shows up only on cold start. Only one code. Once cleared while car is still on it runs better than what it used to run but still feel it a bit rough with no faults. Only one fault turns on when turning car on. Any Ideas would be greatly appreciated.
If you maintain it the bmw n52 will last 200k miles plus no issues besides normal maintenance. They have two big issues. Water pumps are bad but there’s a recall and it’s more common than not for them to be leaking oil but most the gaskets are diyable but x drive makes the oil pan hard to get to
My money's on the Vanos motor...Easy to replace...So common...Done many on various models.
There should be an oil pressure control valve on that engine it’s a PWM solenoid that is controlled by the DME. so you will not get full oil pressure at all times With no current flow the valve is wide open so if you unplug it an retest this usually gives the true reading of the oil pump pressure
So it defaults to low oil pressure?? 😬
Don't know if the N52 engine had the same problem but the N54 (E46 M3) had an issue where the bolts holding the phaser to the cam would back out until the bolt heads ate into the aluminum timing cover filling the engine with metal filings. That would explain the tapping noise, the filings and lack of oil pressure.
E46 M3 is the S54, the N54 is the early model E90/E92 335i twin turbo engines.
@@user-ge1gs8tk9s You're right, should have said S54.
My 92 Ford Ranger lost oil pressure the higher rpm. Issue was oil pan gasket broke off & restricted oil pickup line problems became worse because oil pan removal = engine trans pull & trans fluids were not refilled. Oil pressure fixed ran great transmission grenated.
No, NO, NO, no Chinese junk on a BMW. Never. OEM or Mann Filter Made in Germany 🇩🇪 only..there are Chinese copys of that filter. (Beware). Good channel Sr..!
Great vid as usual Ivan!
Unless customer wants to change engines seems like the diagnosis should be the only money put into this car until it dies.
And almost all engines use some form of Variable Valve Timing and almost all of them seem to be problematic around 80K or more. In my case, two of my vehicles were actually losing oil (bad mfg and cheap rings that wore prematurely) so VVT errors kept popping up and causing CELs.
All that said, if this car were sold dirt cheap (say 1K), I would be interested. There are always BMWs that get rear ended or smashed with low mile engines. Since this would not be a DD, would make a great swap project and educational experience.
Holy crapper! Well at least the dealership stepped up to the plate - usually it ends up a fight with some of those places. What a dumb way for something to fail! Amazing how far the automotive world is falling. Not one manufacturer can build anything decent these days! Real nice having no dipstick! That's a Euro thing. Just delivered a '17 Volvo XC60 last month that also had no dipstick. What could possibly go wrong there? LOL! What a world!!
Is that a Yamaha Maxim I see in the background? Yours? You gonna do some vids on it? Inquiring minds want to know! 😁
try cleaning those 2 vanos check valves, sometimes the screen is all clog up which maybe causing the oil pressure problem.
You didn’t click that thing into the oil filter housing all the way after you took it out. That’s why it’s buzzing
Definitely it had a spun bearing / and an oil gallery problem what led to low oil pressure.. a couple more miles for the connecting rod to come out to say hi 👋
Actually the plugged strained probably led to oil starvation and all the fallout lol
I believe if it had a spun bearing it wouldn't run as smooth as it did.
Engines with spun bearings make a lot of noise and don't run well at all.
@@99domini99 i have seen a main cap spun bearing with 0 issues except for sparkling oil filter
@@Airman.. Damn that's interesting! Never heard of that before! Wouldn't a spun bearing wear down extremely fast as it's oil supply is cut off?
@@99domini99 exactly once you have a single oil gallery blockage at any bearing it will overheat therefore swell, chewing the block/cap and sending copper alloy shavings all over the engine kelling what's left of it
The joys of not servicing an engine when stated in the manual. Fresh oil and filters plus new timing belt when prescribed.
E90’s do not have a timing “belt” they have a timing “chain”. Just fyi :)
To Take the oil pan off you gotta pretty much dropped the whole front of a suspension in the car very pricey
BMW electronic dipsticks can fail in a way it tells you OK, but really you're running on splashes. (oil pump swarf in filter)
Real easy diagnosis you have a vanos problem you need an engine. Yep sounds about right