Sanding To 12000 Grit
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- Опубліковано 20 вер 2024
- How to sand wood. But not just how to sand wood to 220 grit. Start to finish video showing the transition in sheen by sanding from 100 grit, all the way up to 12,000 grit. And every grit in between. Eventually finishing the slab with Odie’s Oil, a wipe on finish that can be applied to any wood, sanded to any grit.
I don’t use Odie’s oil anymore, check out this out this video of a higher sheen while only sanding to 240
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Just spent 9 minutes watching a dude Polish his wood and not disappointed at all, looks awesome
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I used to polish my wood to Black Tail magazine. Different outcome
PUSSY!!!!
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I couldn't have said it better! Great video!
What a great finish...!!!✌️
I have done some woodworks in the past but this woodwork plan ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxZF0EMnrujZvqHhGkxiz559uIABJWR9TG helps me do much in a far lesser time than i used to do i have already built several projects with this plan and i intend to do many more soon. Thank you so much!
I'm actually quite impressed. Didn't know we could get 12,000 grit sandpaper.
Great result. Great work.
I can't find any in the UK above 7000. Real disappointment
you get can get sanding stuff up to 100K but that's is nanodiamond abrasives that is in liquid form its like waxing with a cloth but you gata use a super fine cloth for that
Look for bowling ball sandpaper. I use it all the time on my (bowling) balls
Abrasive paste (for steel) goes all the way op to 250,000 or even higher but it measured by the micron not grit I’ve heard the very fine abrasive used for finishing telescope parts would be 0.005 micron or over one million grit but for any typical purposes it’s pointless
@@chrissouthall411 I can't find any above 5000
People call me crazy for sanding up to 4k grid..haha! Now I definitely go for 12k to try it out!
Your sanding was totally worth it!
I’m with ya!!
I always polish my wood projects to a high grit. What I really like is how it brings out the fine details in the wood grain.
I usually go 800 to 1500. Anything above 600 brings out a metallic flecking that usually only gets associated with rare ancient woods.
Yea, every time I go to a 2000, 2500, or 3000 I wonder why wood workers don't recommend it. Sometimes I can get hard woods to look like stone. I guess the line of reasoning is that it won't accept finish, but sometimes it looks like it doesn't even need finish.
@@thomasanderson6426 What do you recommend for maintaining and caring for the surface after such a high grit sanding? Furniture wax? Polish? I am thinking to restore some tables and go to about 3,000 grit. Thanks!
It's beautiful. You mentioned the growth rings; that's my favorite part of the finish. They have a pearlized, silky look.
Doing a kicka$$ computer desk for my son with rainbow popular. Doing it in 12k because of this video. I'll email you the final product when I'm done. Thanks for all your hard work and teachings
Though late to the party… I love this look. I make rope fids to 2000 grit and straight up teak oil… only. I do a wet sand starting at 1500 to help prevent ring rise and keep the part cool. I use hard woods of all kinds and get a nice glass finish. Nice work! Made me a new sub.
Nothing comes up when I Google ring rise. What does that mean?
@@haidafulton wood grain has aged rings /growth rings. They stand out mostly when cutting across the grain. When you sand a crosscut grain (or any grain) the grain has a light/soft and dark/hard surface and when apply sanding to it the soft grain sands away more easily than the hard grain. That is called ring rise. Hard grain sticks out. Harder to sand away than light/soft. Hope that is easy to understand
I like the natural shine of the 12k polishing. Personally, I think of sanding as bringing the wood's grain detail into focus. This higher you go the clearer the grain patterns!
I've polished boxwood to a nice shine with 2000 grit sandpaper, but didnt know you could get any finer than that. Now I'll have to look for some 4000, 8000 and 12000 grit.
Hey Cam,
I always sand my boxes up to 10,000 grit. Depending on the wood, I might not even put a finish on them. I just love the feel and smell of wood and I hate the feel of “thick” finishes. So, yeah, it’s worth it.
BTW: I’m about 1/4 of the way through your old vids and I’m lovin it.
That’s awesome! I won’t say the same about my early videos though.
What do you recommend for maintaining wood after such a high grit? I am thinking of restoring some tables and rather than using a finish I'd like to sand it to like 3,000 grit. Should the buyers be waxing it periodically?
That piece just made made me follower! It will do your office proud! You're right about finishing a table that way but for wall art, it's outstanding.
Oh thanks Gary!
Such a beautiful result! Love the high polish - especially for a sign. Give the beauty of the wood and the end result, I might use it on a table. Thanks for all the insight on the sandpaper types, brands and durability as well.
Amazing!
I remember back when I was in high school - wood shop class I used a (I think it was just a 400 grit) on a rectangular orbital hand-held sander for like 45 minutes and it began to shine like that. I figured the sand particles had begun to break down into smaller pieces (kinda like they had become 800 grit). The wood began to really shine - but I'm sure it was much less than the amount you have at 12k!
Beautiful work, nice logo, great piece!
Thanks for sharing!
For sure! Love that worn down sandpaper for a high polish!
Sawdust itself is very good for burnishing since it will contain some abrasive silicates and some resins, shavings are typically used by woodturners to burnish their pieces. It was likely that you were rubbing sawdust into the surface giving it a sheen.
Odies is awesome. Higher the sand the more it likes it. Awesome stuff. Love that stuff.
Personally, I like the high grit because I don't know if anyone else noticed, but the contrast of the wood started to really pop around 1500+ grit when it was polishing more than removing material. Some unfinished or very lightly finished pieces could really benefit from that effect, especially dealing with signage.
Wow I like that final look! Many years ago my father told me once that the smoother the surface the smoother your finish will look. He was a painter and did alot of finishing on wood of all types. I am a finish carpenter by trade and pretty much build custom furniture now days. I have not really explored in the finishing level much as I really dont want to set up for it.
I’m no pro finisher. Bet I could have learned a lot from your dad
Mesquite wood is so hard that it takes on this kind of sheen starting at 600 grit. The colors and prismatic effect really start to pop. We take it up to at least 800. People are really losing out on an amazing finish if they don't take it to a higher grit. Thanks for the video.
It's the hardest wood in North America. And it's BEAUTIFUL.
@@Madmun357
That doesn't necessarily feel right to me. Aren't there some ironwood species that grow in the deserts here and in Florida? Also, I know for a fact that osage orange grows in a lot of places in the southern US, and it's almost twice as hard.
I might be misremembering though.
@@karl_alan I could be wrong, but I read it somewhere. I turned a bowl out of mesquite once. It'll do a number on your tools. Keep the sharpening stones handy. It's a gorgeous wood!
@@Madmun357 Janka Scale
Mesquite 2,345 lbf (10,430 N)
Osage Orange (bois d'arc) 2,620 lbf (11,654.34 N)
I've worked with both on the saw/lathe and have seen sparks fly from dry bois d'arc multiple times.
Going to have to try this! I'm an amateur woodworker. I have been following your channel for a while. Ive taken quite a bit of inspiration from your videos. I currently have just the festool ETS 125 REQ. Just this evening, I placed an order for the 150 rotex, the 6" sandpaper systainer³ with interface pad and hard pad. I also ordered the OF 1010 router with the LR32 hole drilling set and 55" hole drilling rail. Hoping to improve my finishing on my projects. Keep up with the awesome work!
Stunning piece!! 💖 Thank you for sharing this video!! From Ontario, Canada, Jenn. 💖 💖 🇨🇦 🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟
Love it. It celebrates the Almost 100% natural beauty of real wood. 👏🏾👏🏾
Good call Ashley!
You seem to have highlighted the chatoyancy a lot with this method. Beautiful!
Terry towel is THE magic for Odie’s! Fantastic piece.
You know that well!
Any amount of extra work you apply to a piece of artwork is worthwhile. It's beautiful.
I appreciate that Ron. Thanks for saying so!
Have seen your sign in lots of your videos Cam, and it always looks Great! Excellent job there. And as I type this message, you are @ 998K subs! Getting really close to that 1 Million mark! Congrats!
It matters nor what others think of why we choose to do what we do. I've sanded projects to 8k or even 12k before, just to see what it would look like. Nice job. And yes, most high quality oils will go nicely over highly polished surfaces and last for years without a retouch. Nice CNC work.
Made my skin crawl when you used the spreader!!!! Ahhhhhh😱😱😱
Holy smokes! What a finish!
Oh thanks!
I just restored my carbon fiber hood so I can really appreciate what you're doing here. Great job.
That’s awesome! Never worked with carbon fiber
Neither had I but I figured it is an old hood and I wanted to learn so why not.
Worth every minute, thank you
Beautiful, I think that piece sanded to that grit is fabulous
Thanks!!
Marco took the words I was going to say. Absolutely amazing.
Marco is pretty good with them words... and thanks!
Wow, actual background music. Never heard that in all your other Videos Cam. Love each one.
Welp - just watched 10 mins of sanding... worth it!
😂 That’s hard to to, thanks!
so beautiful i would love to see a whole bedroom made exactly like that.. i mean the wood, the grits, the finish and the overall color
Subscribed! Love the polished aesthetic. An equally beautiful way to display the natural wonder of wood. Thanks for the video!
I think the super high grit is project specific. It was awesome for this one! Love that high sheen finish. God Bless.
i don't know if it's a known method, but i learned from my teacher in woodwork that if you make the wood wet and wait a couple of minutes for the fibers in the wood to rise and then use a heatgun to dry it in between the finer grit you will get a silk smooth and very shiny finish :)
Simon Almén similar to what people call raising the grain I believe
A rifle builder told me it's called wiskering
This definitely works, When repairing/ refinishing rifle stocks I would use an iron to steam out dents and cuts in the wood and to raise the grain for further sanding.
What a nice piece. Great videography. A very educational video, including your interaction in the comments section. I hope the views take off on this video.
I think doing things out of the box is how we get to learn alot. Thanks for the video, I really liked the shine as well as the oil shine. Actually going to give it a try on some wall art
Oh thanks man! Love to see what you come up with.
Micro Mesh is the most incredible unaffordable non abrassive... abrassive. I have pounds of used Micro Mesh from 1500 to 12000 grit. Most of it is from the late 90's when I worked at a Trombone factory. I mostly have small 2400 grit pieces that were cut up to spin-clean the interior of the hand slides using an electric drill with a rod. They made one pass and tossed the piece. My buddy saved all the pieces, so I have hundreds of them. I use them to shine guitar frets and some woods. I end with 4000 grit to make frets glow! I wish it was cheaper to buy as I need more 4000... lots of it.
I think the cost has come down. It was about $2/pad. Which is pretty good for this type of abrasive.
Took a slab of dark walnut to 2200 once. It turned out great. Happy to know there's even finer grit available.
Turned out great! I almost think sanding the wood to a higher sheen is an easier method of finishing than sanding the clear finish. Granted, you may not be able to use all the finishes available, but it seems more error proof. I often sand to 1000 grit and then use tried and true oil finish (bees wax/boiled linseed oil mix).
Same here
Don't like to put chemicals on my wood. I use foodgrade linseed and wax.
Wow! That looks awesome! A piece of art. Thanks for sharing.
Hoping my first wood project ever turns out this good. A slice of Red Amboyna burl to be displayed on a shelf. Highest grit I have is 3000 though. Looks like I may need those final grits. Thanks for all the tips.
To any of you who watch this channel and say “that looks easy. I want to try”. This is not a spectator sport.
I started by finishing an old cherry set. Inspired by this channel.
First, practice, nightstand I did a lot of stuff wrong. But, in the end, put minwax satin poly on it, and it’s passable.
Second nightstand, I was more careful, and tried the Rubio. Came out Ok. Loved the finish.
In the third piece, the long dresser. A lot of problems, though I thought I was super careful and had this down.
After fourth sanding (100/120 orbital, 150/180 hand) I thought I was good. Put on the Rubio and it looks like scheisse.
First was these furry wood blotches I subsequently tried to take out with light sanding in one direction. Thought I got it.
But the Rubio brings those areas out as smudges. Looks terrible.
Then I noticed these other smudges that look like pigtails. I closely inspected the sanded wood and didn’t see these until I put on the Rubio. My eye is not trained.
Believe me I thought I was super careful.
This takes a lot of practice.
Don’t know what I’m going to do in my case here.
Probably should have minwaxed it. Hides a lot.
Good luck!
Spent the day with a wood sculptor who is questioning how far to take his sanding. Now forwarding your link to him and expect to do some experimentation with your process and materials too. Thank you.
Oh thanks!
This is awesome. I love it. I’ve been curious about this for quite some time. Thank you.
I love your informative vids, its almost like meditating listening to your voice. The wood you transform is simply Amazing. Regards
Oh thanks!
Loved watching the process and how the wood turned out. I am just starting out on my woodworking journey and love your channel. Keep up the good work. Ignore all trolls!!
I love doing projects like this, the only thing I do differently is a liberal use of a product called Sea-Fin “ship to shore” from Dalys. I give a nice flood coat before starting after the 60 grit sanding. Then reapply after 180, 800, 3000. I stop at 5000 then give a final coat and then use an untreated buffing pad. The result is astonishing. The product soaks into the pores of the wood but doesn’t have an emulsion so you’re still left with mostly highly polished wood. It evens out the hardnesses between the different densities of the wood fibers so you get an absolutely flat surface instead of the rings and knots standing up a bit.
I’ll have to check that out!
Totally worth it, wonderful!
mate, looks amazing, will definitely try a high sanding grit at least once for such a nice finish :)
It's good to do this to remind us just what is possible with a bit more effort.
That's really nice, man. Beautiful. Great job!
I've only gotten as high as 3,000 and had to do everything over 1500 by hand. I am definitely going to get some of those pads for my Festool sander! And yes, Odie's comes through clutch on ALL grits!
That’s awesome!
Table saw, Numero Uno.👍
Honestly, I like to go up to 20k grit on some pieces. The pearlescent quality it gives the wood is breathtaking.
I sanded a very rough rifle stock. It had been delivered on the rifle with sanding gouges that looked like eighty grit belt sanding. They went every which way from with the grain to across the grain. I bought a bunch of carbide sandpaper and went to work on it. I sanded all the way to 600 grit and stopped when I was satisfied that all the sanding marks were removed. Carefully steamed it and sanded it with 600 again. Then twelve hand rubbed coats of tung oil one thimble full at a time. One in the morning before work, and again in the evening after work. Turned out really nice. So yeah, I would have no problem going to 600 or farther.
That’s awesome! My dad just redid a couple old rifles kinda similar. Not as nice as you did though. I’d love to try it eventually.
@@BlacktailStudio: Mine were brand new, a pair of M1A Super National Match rifles. I had seen what guys were doing with their M1 Garand stocks (DIshwasher to remove the grime and raise the dents then lots of steel wool) so I decided to find out what the walnut looked like under all those scratches. The wood took on a luster at 600, and acquired more after I steamed it with a clothes iron. I was pleased with the result.
I loved the result so much that I will try this in my next project! Thanks for sharing
Thanks!!
Hey Cam. Really nice sheen on the wood. Keep them coming. Andy
Really 12000 is way too high 11000 is good enough😁👍👍 That really is sweet though thanks for sharing
Fantastic job, I personally think it turned out great. Kudos to you my friend.
Thank you for the video.
Aaron M i think it’s recessed and full with epoxy so it’s too deep to sand away with fine grits like this
Wow what an awsome result. those growth rings seems like it's 3D. I have never gone more than 320 grit but now i may go as high as i can get.
Oh nice!
Could you imagine a rifle stock done in the same manor?!?! That would be amazing.. great job on the slab.
Would be awesome!
or a guitar
Mike Westervelt, Ha! Too bad you’d only be able to put 20 cartridges a month through it. But yes, otherwise awesome rifle stock.
charles hetrick why? Serious question.
Amazing work and finish. I think it worth the effort for some thing very special to be like this.
Thank you for sharing.
I’m glad you think so!
Looks great. I have used Micro Mesh when I used to turn pen on the lathe. Loved it.
I have always wondered how high you could sand/polish wood... I have produced a nice sheen with 600 grit done by hand... this is really cool... Thanks Cam!
Ya man!
I'm with you on hyper sanding. Love the feel and the look. I didn't understand the inlays though. Were these because of imperfections?
Hi, I love the work, but I find myself curious of the time you spenr on the whole thing. Maybe you could insert a timer of some type for your next video of this kind. For this video, maybe you remember how many hours you put in this and can spare the minute to quench my curiosity 😁
love those vacuum clamps, thanks for the demo, really nice
They are awesome. And thanks!
I would think at such a high shine applying an oil or finish would actually dull the surface because of how the wood swells to absorb it. I probably would have finished it much earlier in the grits and polished it up after
I've seen chatoyancy tests that suggest that sanding to such a high grit before applying the finish, increases the chatoyancy in a lot, but not all wood species. So, if you are after chatoyancy then it's probably worth it.
It turned out amazing. I love the incredible depth of color and texture. I would be curious to know how sanding with the Odie’s from around 800-1200 would turn out by the time you reach 8000-12000. Blinding(?) Very cool.
Yeah, never tried to ‘wet sand’ with odies. Could be cool!
Wow, such an amazing piece of nature and hard work. Keep up the good work man
Outstanding sign...thanks for sharing. BTW...I'm a big fan of Odie's Oil. It makes walnut and Sapele really glow.
Never worked with Sapele (yet). Would love to though!
@@BlacktailStudio Sapele is a cost effective substitute for mahogany. It machines well and it loves hand tools. When treated w/Odies Dark oil it takes on sone gold tones. It's a great wood.
It was beautiful. I made a desk for my daughter and I took it to 2000 grit. It came out beautifully smooth and after I put the oil stain on it it was smooth like glass and shiny as glass also.
That’s awesome!
Stunning, just lovely!
I can think of a couple of my current projects on which I will try this method. That's very cool!
Beautiful job
Absolutely amazing 👌💯💕 what a work of art 🙌 I'm at a loss for words
Awe shucks Marco... thanks so much.
@@BlacktailStudio just did something in the same vein - magnetic knife holder... I only went up to 000 steel wool equiv, then several coats of Danish oil (Watco if it matters) then I tried to burnish it using 3M "Finess It - II" which is listed as used to remove scratches from 1500 or finer grit in automotive clear coat.
So, nowhere near what you did, but the burnishing process completely changed the nature of the finish giving it a depth that you don't get from lower grit + a finish (at least I don't)
You're my hero !
Beautiful piece.
Greg Mislick that’s awesome! Fun trying new methods, surprise ourselves with the results sometimes
Loss for words? You should get out more
@@paulnovak833 I don't see the correlation in appreciating someone's hard work/project/work of art and not being able to articulate it in writing and your comment "you should get out more" however even idiots are entitled to their opinion so thank you for sharing yours 👌😂
Definitely worth the effort
Appreciate that 🙏🙏
I don't have much experience with wood working but I paint cars for a living and from my experience (not sure how well it translates to different mediums) if you go slow with 50% overlap on each pass and go both longitudinally and horizontally you can go up by 2x on each grit and not have to use each one in between (ie:400g then jump straight to 800g) again, that's my experience with bare metal and automotive finishes but if it saves time with wood as well it my be worth a try.
Awesome video. Definitely enjoyed it.
Oh thanks for the tips!
Turned out amazing! Good job!
Oh thanks!
Should have tried polishing it with a polish compound and then put some ceramic coating or something above it. Would be the smoothest wood out there.
That turned out great!!!
Oh thanks!
Well now... that gives me some ideas. Looks great.
Thanks! Enjoy!
Superb result.
Thanks!!
I have even been experimenting with spoons polished to 1500 grit, soaked in mineral oil, wet sanded, then baked in an oven to harden the oil all the way through.
That’s pretty cool!
Great piece of workmanship - Question, such a nice piece, where would you hang it? Not outside - may be on the wall just before your office.
Will the oil actually decrease the grit, i'm sure i don't want to have only 11 999 grit wood finish 😒
🤣😂🤣😂
Looks great!! But I'd like to see a build on this project
I'm late for a date because of watching this
Worth it
Nice job. Where did you get the sandpaper holder container?
People always ask that! On amazon. It’s an art bin
Blacktail Studio thank you
This makes me a bit curious - what would a slab end up looking like, if you sanded segments to different grit? Like - get a long slab and sand less and less of it to a specific grit, and then finish off with a finishing oil on half of it? That'd show off the effect and end results, and you could use it to let customers pick their own level of finish while knowing how much extra time it takes (and thus how much more expensive it would be).
You could totally do a gradient. Might be kinda cool!
Very nice. I think I'm gonna try that technique on a walnut table I'm building.
Awesome!
This is anecdotal obviously but I worked for a guy who polished concrete floors the same way you polished this slab. Over and over, slowly creeping up to a fine diamond grit that left the raw concrete shiny, like an oil finish. No wax necessary.
He claimed this was superior than the standard method (which is to polish up to a point and then apply a hard finish to the floor) because it was more scratch resistant. Something about there being almost a caramelization of the very surface which was harder and less clingy than a less polished surface.
I’m curious if this same principle would apply to wood. Is there a scientific way to scratch different finishes? Would be neat.
Crazy beautiful!
🤩I‘m jealous ☺️ That looks absolutely fantastic, definitely worth the work. Great piece of art!👍🏼😊
But I would do anything similar just for myself.😉
Just found your channel and I love it.
Thanks for sharing.
I don't have a dust collection system so I stay away from sanding as much as possible. I get fairly decent results with a well setup hand plane and butcher block oil. I don't know how hand planed finishes would compare to 12000 grit but I've gotten some really shiny finishes with depth and reflection. I'm guessing the 12000 is probably a little smoother and definately easier on the body with your setup.
A fresh hand planed surface is as nice as just about any out there in my opinion.