WHY You Get Sanding Pigtails, and HOW TO AVOID THEM
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- Here are the TWO MAIN REASONS you're getting pigtails in your finishes, a couple of other close seconds, and a few ways to correct them.
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As always, nothing but knowledge bombs! By far the best channel on UA-cam. You have an incredible way of explaining everything. I cannot thank you enough for all of your instruction.
Couldn’t agree more! Love your videos!
I know I’m just one person, but this is the exact reason I subscribe to this channel. Great post!
Great analogy to explain how the random orbital sander works!! Love how you can break things down into simple, understandable terms
Alan (regular viewer from England) another brilliant video, extremely informative. Many thanks.
Never thought I would learn how to properly sand on UA-cam, but I did. Sanding is definitely the worst part of woodworking but by slowing down and focusing on my sander and paper you have really improved my sanding skills. Hopefully in the future someone will invent a sanding robot. Thanks again.
Thank you! Very thorough and concise.
wow,,, so much truth right here ,,, I have had this happen to me on a very expensive table,,, thanks for the info
Brilliant video. Most dislike sanding so doing it better and easier is the holy grail. Loads of helpful tips not just regarding the how but the why which is important. Thank you
Being a subscriber for som time, I just want to tell you that your chosen name Inspire Woodcraft nails it - you are in truth inspirational. Thank you!
Thank you, this video answered a lot of questions on a topic I’ve been struggling with!
@tombrassard That's awesome! And thank you!
I just built a 48” round cherry table top with so many pigtails my wife thought it was part of the wood grain 😮. I remembered seeing a video you had done so I searched it a rewatched it. Damn what a difference! Thanks for all your great tips! Merry Christmas!
I'm one of the rare breeds I love to sand I just know that it will show up in the final finish. love your comparison to the snow THAT brought it to life . Great explanation for the high end sanders and dust control was a dah moment!
Can I drop my stuff off at your house for sanding?
This was incredibly helpful, thank you
Thanks soooooo much!!! I was getting so frustrated after 2 hours on a 48" x 8" board using even air to clean. Your explanations helped me out.
Great video. lots of great tips. I have found out that cleaning the surface between grits helps also. If the dust extraction is not the best setup for the sander, it will leave a layer of dust on the surface of the wood. If you don't remove that layer and start the next grit of paper, it will clog the paper more quicker. I hope that makes sense. Keep up the great work. Thank you.
Really good, lots of new knowledge! Thanks
Great info video as always. I’m trying to learn how to hand plane and eliminate sanding altogether. I’m actually surprised on how smooth a good plaining finish can be.
Very timely! I have an old staircase I'm getting ready to remodel with new oak. So, a ton of stock sanding starting tomorrow. My boss handed me a stack of crappy, old sanding discs Friday and said, "There you go!". No, there I don't go. Haha!
A lot of excellent tips here. I'll ne checking the flatness of my sanding pads on my sanders, and paying attention to the excruciating, slow speed of moving across my work pieces.
Thanks for this!
great tutorial! I'm a newbie still in my tool buying phase (and waiting for warmer weather), so this was great for things to keep in mind as I get started.
Variable speed advice for different grits? You do an outstanding job, thanks so much
So your sense of humor is still fantastic and of course, I learned from you again. Dude, your knowledge… outstanding!
btw - The flashlight. Is it an O-light?
I worked sanding in a kitchen manufacturing company and we used all DeWalt orbital Sanders in primer sanding our finish sanders were porter cable
Great info. I don't get swirl marks but still stuff I can use.
I've got the battery version of the Makita because I have an outdoor workbench that I can sand stuff on so I don't use my shop vac with it but when I do use the sander in the shop the vac is used. I had a friend print an adapter on his printer so my 1-1/4" hose will fit onto the Makita.
I also made a Thienn baffle. I made a small sliding door on the top of it that I open when using the smaller hose to reduce suction.
Also a side note. Those black rulers from Taytools are really good. They are the best to easily see the marks. I just picked up another one today from them with two stops.
I have the Bosch, it’s great. Once I put a pad saver on it, and used 3m xtract and dust collection - it’s great. I noticed go to slow, I’ll see these ))))) behind as I go. Go to slow, I’ll see more wavy. Go about 1.25” per second it goes away.
It’s finicky, but I’ve been noticing this with other sanders too. Press too hard, it’s crap. Don’t put any pressure on it all, hardly does anything.
My rule is if doing a table that’s say 8’ by 4’, I can do the top with 3 discs. I’ll divide the top into 3 sections, and I’ll overlap. People will understand this when you’ll feel your paper and it still feels rough but that it’s not really cutting well. Sanding is an art, I thought it was BS but the more I do it the more I realize it’s much harder.
Same as any tool, let the tool do the work, that's what it's designed for ... superb explanation of how pigtails occur and how to prevent 👍
Wow, so much info. Thanks
Good information. Great tips. Thank you for sharing. Have a great day and stay safe. 🙂🙂
Nice video and explanation. I am not doing anything with wood. But another more delicate subject, sanding clear coat on cars. In my own experience, there are 2 main reasons why it is a very hard task on sanding clear coat : 1. The quality of the paper\disc you use. 2. What type of paper you use. At least with sanding clear coat, in my case the ruffest granulation is P1200. In most cases P1500 and P2000 is required to get rid of orange peel and most defects. But to give my 2 cents here. If you are up for dry sanding, Kovax as a manufacturer is unbeateable. The only discs i tried that do the job on clear coat 100% how it is supposed to be, all others produce pigtails. Even on headlight sanding, pigtails are inevitable. No matter how you move the sander, or what speed you work with, no culprit for the end result. Now, i found out, at least on all various paper sand discs, they all are much better for wet sanding. Dry, some of them can dangerously take to much thickness of the clear coat. But the main problem are the holes !!! If you use a velcro disc without any holes, no pigtails at all. There can appear some swirls and fine scratches, but you have to polish anyway after sanding is done. I am using a knock of sander or a similar sander like the Mirka 650 CV. 5mm throw bites better than a machine that has a 3mm throw. But 3mm throw is more secure in every situation on clear coat. To get back to the superior Kovax paper. It seems like they made it out of a mixture of materials, where the dominant part is made out of a latex or nitrile base. The 15 hole discs are the most ones they sell. You can literally feel how the holes are rounded and softened around all edges. The only dry sanding paper with holes that works flawless. During researching and trying different kind of papers i came to the conclusion that only Kovax dry sanding systems and the most velcro wet paper systems are good for clear coat sanding. All classic type papers with holes will leave pigtails and problematic trails on clear coats. Kovax is maybe not the best solution for wood, and also to mention it wears off the fastest. The durability of these discs is very weak. One bigger panel, like the door, and it is done. These is the con that it has. Also price wise the most expensive on the market.
Perhaps one reason many viewers rush their sanding jobs is that YT videos tend to show sanding in fast motion? Zip, zip, zip, done.
Thanks for all the useful information. 🤔👍🏻😃
Great job explaining, thank you.
Who on god's green earth goes against the grain?!?! 🤣 Anyhow, thanks for all these tips! Definitely learned a few new things. Very helpful!
Thanks 👍
I adopted the 1 sec. Method a while back. It works well. My problem now is, do I go straight with overlaps, or is it better to criss-cross, or to wander aimlessly. I have tried all three, but always end using the last grit with a block like you, and found that, that tops it off nice. Thanks for a great video. I can always count on you to enlighten me to thing that help me to improve. Take care.
I use the 1 second method and sand back and forth overlapping half of the disk. Wandering I found I would sand less or miss section(s). Then always follow with then follow hand sanding with the grain with the last grit used.
Haaa "Festool charges by the character"... Nice one. Cheers.
I have and un asnwered question, the jump from that makita to the one with the variable speed, it's worth it?
it seems that there're no variable ones on my country, in that range of money at least
thnks for all the info as always
Great video dude! Wish this vid was out last year! I own 3 dewalt orbital sanders similar to your makita…. Was sanding a huge red oak cabinet I made and the pigtails were brutal. You’re right…. All 3 sander pads were NOT flat, I suspected it at the time so I bought 2 new pads…. Those pads were bad too…. Festool has too many sanders……. Which is an all around good universal festool sander?
pigtails are cute.
"Go with the grain, it's super easy" ... No that is definitely not always true haha. If you're making something large then sure, it's probably true. However, if you're working on something with figured grain, something very small like chess pieces, or even something like a chessboard where the grain is all going mostly the same way but some go like this | and some go like this \, it gets tricky quick.
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"that being said"..."that being said"..." that being said"...so over used phrase today.
Since you use the Rubio finish a lot I have a few questions. I think maybe it would be nice to see you do a video on the correct usage of that product. How many coats, how much sanding, how much rubbing or polishing if any. I really don’t know much about that finish, but I would like to learn a little bit more about it. I think it is a very pricey product but maybe I should try it. My favorite finish is my own mix of shellac wax, and BLO. I also use a lot of marine varnish. How does Rubio compare? Thanks.
Hey, great videos and thorough info as always 👍 Just a short sidenote on what you warned about not putting to much pressure on the sander. Not only is the sanding disc going to wear out earlier and dig into the surface, and cause the tool to work forced, and all the other things you mentioned, but due to the excessive friction, the Velcro on the pad is going to heat up and the hooks are going to get deformed, and as a consequence the pad is progressively going to stick less optimally to the sanding disc or even get loose. (I believe the Bosch “velcro” is proprietary and different -not so much hook&loop but like shark skin/scales, so in this case it’s probably less of an issue.). And a new replacement pad is never cheap. Hope to have been useful. Keep it up! 😊
Great vid. You may have gotten a lemon Bosch. I highly recommend them. I’ve had a Bosch ROS for 8+ years and it’s flat and its dust collection is perfect (fits perfectly with my Festool CT SYS hose). Just yesterday for 4 hours I was sanding wooden doors in my living room on sawhorses over an area rug, inches from my couch and chair and coffee tables. I just ran my finger on the coffee table top and not a speck of dust on it.
Having said all that, I may have gotten a rare perfectly made one and your experience may be more typical of a Bosch. Probably not, but certainly possible.
Thanks bro..the best channel on YT by far…..great content…
Takeaway: You need to slow down so your sander can mush the wood into a flattened abyss. Did I get that right? LOL
It has a circular and elliptical pattern is what you're saying. Meaning it spins in a circle while having an elliptical movement within the rotation.
I have that Makita and it’s is so awkward to hold with the the vac hose tipping it.
Festool charges by the character. LOL
thanks for the info
Very good!!!
Thank You!!!!!
Thanks a bunch for all the tips, dude! 😃
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Thanks!
Great video Jody. I have an answer for your vacuum control. Using the adapter you showed, a person could cut a piece of PVC thin wall pipe/tube equal to the length of one step on the adapter. The size is not critical. Cut the ring open so it will slide AROUND the adapter. Drill one or more holes in the adapter as you explained. Put the PVC over the hole(s) and turn the PVC to cover/open the hole(s) to get the vacuum you desire. The ring can cover the adapter just enough to retain itself on the adapter. 3/4 coverage of the adapter should be plenty to have it retain itself and be easy to slide around the adapter to cover/open the hole(s).
Keep up the great videos. I enjoy your perspective on all the subjects you address.
Another great video. Longer than lately, but your stuff is always worth watching.
As always, excellent information very well presented. Nicely done.
Perfectly explained. Thank you.
Your sanding instructions were spot on. Problems solved. Excellent video….
Great information. Always seem to learn something new from your videos. Thank you.
I just learned more in 22 minutes than I did after three weeks working in a cabinet shop sanding - glad I quit. Thank you
Jody you’re a great teacher. I’m always learning something new watching your videos 🇮🇪
Thanks Sir! Good refresher AND some new things learned.
Well, that was a good explanation about sanding and sanders, a few things I didn`t know about, thanks
Thanks, Jody. That was another useful video and I will start inspecting some of my work with a light. I think a video relating sanding at various grits to some finishes would be very helpful.
Great information! Thank you for another great lesson that will assist in me working smarter, not harder.
Great information, as always.
The acrylic is the true lesson here. Kudos on the vid!
Nice job! Thanks for taking the time to share.
Thanks for sharing that!
What is the ruler trick?