My wife and I just picked up a Vader too. We just upgraded to the 428 17 tooth sprocket. The Vader losing torque but does get a higher end which u can keep up with the grom speed. HIGHLY recommend getting one especially if ur cruising at 45-55 mph. Amazon has the cheapest price. I’m gonna be buying an oil cooler soon to just to help the motor out. Keep the motovlogs going!
@@ProDigit80how long have you had it? I’m super interested in getting one, and have some tinkering experience, I have loved riding 2 stroke mopeds (old style with pedals) for years now but would like the ease and reliability of a four stroke, if it is in-fact reliable
Spend $1000 right off the bat & learn the cycle ... one would never miss the stuff of the GROM ... plus -- you save thousands ... learn to work on it - ride safely and watch the vehicles out there ... no worries ...
i have a vader 125, I personally enjoyed saving about 3000+ dollars (paid 1299 shipped), but that cheap price tags comes with its costs, there is a lot of things I have had to do to it, changing the exhaust, carburetor, engine oil is a pain due to the bolts that break every single time, cheap parts, but i think it was worth saving for it, right now I know theres a lot of work i still need to do to it, but right now i have it in a decently working position 😂, if you buy a clone and dont know anything about motorcycles, make sure you know someone that does and can help you, because i guarantee your going to have random problems that your not going to have any idea why they are happening.
3 months late but as the owner of a 50 cc (upgraded to 80cc) X-Pro Maui scooter i can say the scooters are much more friendly for beginer stunt riders, its my first bike and iv learned 1 handed siting wheelies, regular wheelies ofc, standers, knee knockers, all the basics for stunt riding. it can be done with the x pro maui, its one of the one qmb139 or 50 cc gy6 scooters that has dual rear shocks so its extra strong in the back end. the cases are the weakest part and they are bullet proof lol my scooter has 10k miles on the original motor with like 4 or 5 tear downs thru the past 5 years just for basic wear inspections and its always been just fine
I got my vader last month and before I even put one mile on it, I replaced almost everything on it. With $800ish dollars in mods. I can comfortably say it's reliable and fast for a little 125cc. I've driven myR1 too work for the last 5years, and this is now my daily to work. Idk why but this bike is sooo funnn and i dont care if i drop it doing wheelies. Its a great first bike if your willing to put in a little wrench work on it. Id say youd have to have a good amount to knowledge about motorcycles and carbs if your going to own this bike. Ive put almost 400 miles on mine and it runs perfect. Don't cheap out on parts either. The parts for these are inexpensive and worth getting the best if you want it to last more than 5 years. Happy riding and be safe yall.
I chose the condor over the grom because the grom is x2 more expensive. I can mod my condor how i want and have everything i want for the proce of a stock grom.. choice is yours. Some of these ppl are just die hard honda fans..
So I’ve ever never rode a motorcycle or dirt bike really anything like that but I’ve been looking into both of these bikes bc I really want to try to pick up biking but honestly don’t have any friends and scared I’m not gonna know how to ride either or what I should fix and how much all of this is gonna cost me I’m an EMT I’m not necessarily rolling in money just looking to have some fun cruising around on my days off anyways kinda wondering which bike is best for total beginners with no help other than UA-cam lol
I'm an ATV guy and learned all of my riding on ATV's, so I still stink at riding bike. But my friend and I took a motorcycle safety riding course about two summers ago and got our motorcycle licenses. There was a girl in our group that literally never saw a motorcycle in pictures let alone in person and she passed with flying colors like the rest of us. Our instructors told us that of all of the years of them teaching the course there was only ONE person who failed. If the failure rate is that low and you're the one who failed that means you're a danger to yourself and others. The upside to the safety course is that you don't have to take a road test after you've passed and it helps get a discount on your bike insurance. I'd say the worst thing you have to get over that takes a bit is the stress caused by impatient drivers behind you. The more you ride the more you get used to it. People in cars seem think everyone on a bike has been doing it for years and don't stop to think the rider might be new. Plus they're impatient and don't care for the safety of those around them. They're just trying to get to their destination.
Don't buy the cheap Chinese anything, it will let you down. The Grom is a perfect first bike. If you buy used , stay away from modified stuff. Factory original in real good condition is what you need. Good luck and ride safe.
The Vader 150 I believe, us a Lifan KPM. The Lifan is ridiculously difficult to check and adjust the valves. And many Chinese bikes need a proper valve adjustment the day you buy it.
Do you have to switch gears with your foot on this thing looking to get in to bikes with something cheap that comes to my door jss need more info on how to drive it
I got the xpro and it’s actually a Tao Tao Rps Condor 150cc eats the GROM up feels just like the grom locktite and all is good I think The RPS is a better deal after trying both
Besides displacement . What’s the engine difference between the 150 and 125? Also The 125 looks to be based off of the gy6 platform. But I don’t recognize the 150 engine . Does anyone have info on the 150 engine and if it’s based off of another name brand engine ?
Honda CG125, produced in HUGE numbers and designed to handle harsh conditions/neglect-increased now to 150cc on the Condor and 250 ( 229cc ) for the Hawk. Also available now with a balancer.
Like other's have said the CG150 in the Vader/Condor is pushrod based and the engine in the GROM is OHC. Think of the CG150 as the Chevy 350/Ford 351 of small engines and what is on the GROM is more like a V-Tec Civic. The CG doesn't have the top-end rpm's of the GROM but it's better at torque and acceleration. Plus they're simple to work on and have no timing chain.
Man, my butt numbs first then my hands.... Can't ride non stop, gotta rest every hour or so. How do I get my hands stop numbing?? I tried switching grips, handles and gloves... Pls give me ideas on how to beat this eternal numbness
I paid about $1800 total (with shipping) for my condor from amazon. Right out the box I changed my mirrors, rear license plate delete & tailights, handlebars, and grips. I bought a new rear spring front sprocket (18t) and chain. I also ordered a 17t sprocket in case the 18t don't fit. I plan on posting a video of my bike after I complete the mods.
@@texaspapi89 unless you’re a lightweight I’d run 16T, but that’s easy to try. Rear shock is a big question, it’s not horrible but a good shock is pricey. I ordered a Pirelli Angel rear in 140-70-12, see if that helps the ride any.
Dude, you gotta rev on that 150 ! Yeah, the stock bars stink, and modding that muffler is super easy, there’s just a short pipe in there with holes in it, no packing. With 16T front sprocket I’m getting about 58mph ( indicates 9K rpm in 5th/62-65mph but that’s not accurate ) Grom probably has a accurate speedo/tach, or is there one? 150 has fuel gauge and gear indicator, which is nice. Yeah, a 140 rear tire is going on my 150 soon, hoping it rides better/smoother.
Never get a chinese bike as your first bike. Always get a working second hand Japanese bike. My recommendation is a Kawasaki Z125. It's between a grom and a Vader 150 in price, but zero wrenching required.
How is the gas mileage on both ?? Like if you were to take a Rd trip?? I seen the Kawasaki z125 ... It would be interesting to see all side by side put to the test... Great video
Check out the lifan kp mini 150 rs the efi version. Ive got people on fb in a group that are putting miles on them. Regular maintenance. They love them. The 150 is a nice bump from the 125 grom. Check that out i think its a 24 lifan kp mini 150
Whoever is having alot of shaking, look into bike BILDER bear on UA-cam and he has a bracket a pair of reinforcements for the Vader to eliminate that problem of the shakes, I’m gonna use it on a build myself. You will notice the difference once you install that and also the bolts to mount the engine may need to be replaced with fatter sized bolts. I rode my homeboys Vader after he welded the reinforced parts and new engine , exhaust , rims and tires it rode Cherry faster and stronger than a GROM. I’m getting a Vader and putting 3500bucks into it and it is going to be faster and all parts including swingarm , rims, chain , tires , forks, bars and engine all moded out , and it’s still under the price of a stock GROM out the dealer doors and the Vader is all ready to go and smokes a GROM that you will have to spend double that price like around 10,000bucks total. Hell no I’m not spending 5k on a Grimm🤣
I don't know, from the fasteners to the grommets and plastics just seemed low end budget garbage. I just think you would have so many less headaches to just go ahead and spend the money up front and buy the Honda.
All the Chinese clones need to be known through gospel that you will need to make significant modifications but after the fact, your bike or quad will easily match the name brand trends. *The Grom is a deceptive gimmick in that these miniature motorcycles have been around for decades.* There were Ninja and Suzuki 150cc crotch rocket clones in the late 80's and early 90's. *My Pentora has been modded to such extents, it will devour a stock Yamaha Raptor 250.* With all that said, for the average person a stock Chinese budget bike or ATV will be a piece of junk. Unless they're willing to learn to modify and repair it, the little wiggles, straw sized air intakes and all that strangle performance and create annoyingly necessary mods and adjustments. *I guarantee that Vader is being strangled for air on the intake.* It's a standard design trait on all the Chinese stuff. As soon as you gut the intake systems, you'll see at least a 25% increase in performance if not 35. *$1600 still means about $200 in parts upgrades and $1500+ of your own labor, just as likely 2-3x that in labor in fact.* I have that much on my Pentora including nearly 100 feet of insulation on the exhaust which couples to a 2.5" glasspack muffler. *99% of people don't want to put 100 feet if exhaust header insulation on anything lol.*
My wife and I just picked up a Vader too. We just upgraded to the 428 17 tooth sprocket. The Vader losing torque but does get a higher end which u can keep up with the grom speed. HIGHLY recommend getting one especially if ur cruising at 45-55 mph. Amazon has the cheapest price. I’m gonna be buying an oil cooler soon to just to help the motor out. Keep the motovlogs going!
Walmart has the cheapest price. I bought my 150 for $1400 and change.
@@ProDigit80how long have you had it? I’m super interested in getting one, and have some tinkering experience, I have loved riding 2 stroke mopeds (old style with pedals) for years now but would like the ease and reliability of a four stroke, if it is in-fact reliable
@@Stolas1777CG Honda design, it’s possibly the simplest four-stroke you can get, I’ve never heard of one ‘blowing up’.
Run thick enough oil and you won’t need a cooler.
Do you like the 150cc? I had the 125cc and swapped to a zs190 engine because the 125 was just too slow for the roads around me.
The vader 125 is way faster with all the mods I've done. I get to 72 mph on mine on a leveled road.
After you put 5k on both you’ll know why the grom costs extra. The grom will last longer and the aftermarket support is far superior
Facts
Grom parts for the Vader though, all the plastics and frame stuff is interchangeable
You could buy three more of the amazon bike.😂
You could buy three more of the amazon bike.😂
2500 dollars is a big difference great video especially on comparison thank you.
Over a long period of time, it’s not that big of a difference. You will spend the same fixing the cheaper one
Good points, my Grom Clone (Boom Vader) was designed for a tinkerer, while the Grom appears to suited for the customizer. Nice video.
Spend $1000 right off the bat & learn the cycle ... one would never miss the stuff of the GROM ... plus -- you save thousands ... learn to work on it - ride safely and watch the vehicles out there ... no worries ...
i have a vader 125, I personally enjoyed saving about 3000+ dollars (paid 1299 shipped), but that cheap price tags comes with its costs, there is a lot of things I have had to do to it, changing the exhaust, carburetor, engine oil is a pain due to the bolts that break every single time, cheap parts, but i think it was worth saving for it, right now I know theres a lot of work i still need to do to it, but right now i have it in a decently working position 😂, if you buy a clone and dont know anything about motorcycles, make sure you know someone that does and can help you, because i guarantee your going to have random problems that your not going to have any idea why they are happening.
3 months late but as the owner of a 50 cc (upgraded to 80cc) X-Pro Maui scooter i can say the scooters are much more friendly for beginer stunt riders, its my first bike and iv learned 1 handed siting wheelies, regular wheelies ofc, standers, knee knockers, all the basics for stunt riding. it can be done with the x pro maui, its one of the one qmb139 or 50 cc gy6 scooters that has dual rear shocks so its extra strong in the back end. the cases are the weakest part and they are bullet proof lol my scooter has 10k miles on the original motor with like 4 or 5 tear downs thru the past 5 years just for basic wear inspections and its always been just fine
didnt know the vader is carberated tho, thats a bit of an oof but still cool i like the sound of a carb
Where did you get the pink
Clutch lever? Link?
I got my vader last month and before I even put one mile on it, I replaced almost everything on it. With $800ish dollars in mods. I can comfortably say it's reliable and fast for a little 125cc. I've driven myR1 too work for the last 5years, and this is now my daily to work. Idk why but this bike is sooo funnn and i dont care if i drop it doing wheelies. Its a great first bike if your willing to put in a little wrench work on it. Id say youd have to have a good amount to knowledge about motorcycles and carbs if your going to own this bike. Ive put almost 400 miles on mine and it runs perfect. Don't cheap out on parts either. The parts for these are inexpensive and worth getting the best if you want it to last more than 5 years. Happy riding and be safe yall.
Exhaust and cat delete and pwk26mm and a 17tooth front sprocket you will be eating groms
Then it breaks lol don’t buy from china
What jetting on the pwk any ideas
Kp mini too 💪🏼💯💨💨💨💨
@@SpACeCruizeR2o3it depends on your altitude and climate.
the one thing the vader has that would be cool on the Grom is the back lit multi-color display
I chose the condor over the grom because the grom is x2 more expensive. I can mod my condor how i want and have everything i want for the proce of a stock grom.. choice is yours. Some of these ppl are just die hard honda fans..
Where did you buy your condor from
So I’ve ever never rode a motorcycle or dirt bike really anything like that but I’ve been looking into both of these bikes bc I really want to try to pick up biking but honestly don’t have any friends and scared I’m not gonna know how to ride either or what I should fix and how much all of this is gonna cost me I’m an EMT I’m not necessarily rolling in money just looking to have some fun cruising around on my days off anyways kinda wondering which bike is best for total beginners with no help other than UA-cam lol
Agree with @Daaaaaangson, just start riding and the freinds will find you
I'm an ATV guy and learned all of my riding on ATV's, so I still stink at riding bike. But my friend and I took a motorcycle safety riding course about two summers ago and got our motorcycle licenses. There was a girl in our group that literally never saw a motorcycle in pictures let alone in person and she passed with flying colors like the rest of us. Our instructors told us that of all of the years of them teaching the course there was only ONE person who failed. If the failure rate is that low and you're the one who failed that means you're a danger to yourself and others. The upside to the safety course is that you don't have to take a road test after you've passed and it helps get a discount on your bike insurance.
I'd say the worst thing you have to get over that takes a bit is the stress caused by impatient drivers behind you. The more you ride the more you get used to it. People in cars seem think everyone on a bike has been doing it for years and don't stop to think the rider might be new. Plus they're impatient and don't care for the safety of those around them. They're just trying to get to their destination.
Don't buy the cheap Chinese anything, it will let you down. The Grom is a perfect first bike. If you buy used , stay away from modified stuff. Factory original in real good condition is what you need. Good luck and ride safe.
Thanks for this ! I’ve been wanting to get a grom looks like a great bike !
I would like to see what kind of difference a front and rear sprocket would make on the x-pro
Down 1 tooth on the front in my GROM made a huge difference so I’m sure same would go for the other one
I ll probably buy a vader and upgrade it, make it safe to drive.
Amazon link not working. I don't see this 150 vader anywhere.
The X-Pro JUST CHANGED THE GAME!!!
That’s not xpro it’s Tao Tao Rps condor
Promise you check out the lifan kp mini 150 rs fuel injected version. Blows the x pro out the water.
The Vader 150 I believe, us a Lifan KPM. The Lifan is ridiculously difficult to check and adjust the valves. And many Chinese bikes need a proper valve adjustment the day you buy it.
Do you have to switch gears with your foot on this thing looking to get in to bikes with something cheap that comes to my door jss need more info on how to drive it
is 37 mph in 5 gear normal? That doesn't seem okay
Where did your buddy get the sweet looking clutch lever for his GROM? I wouldn't getting one of those.
I got the xpro and it’s actually a Tao Tao Rps Condor 150cc eats the GROM up feels just like the grom locktite and all is good I think The RPS is a better deal after trying both
Besides displacement . What’s the engine difference between the 150 and 125? Also The 125 looks to be based off of the gy6 platform. But I don’t recognize the 150 engine . Does anyone have info on the 150 engine and if it’s based off of another name brand engine ?
Honda CG125, produced in HUGE numbers and designed to handle harsh conditions/neglect-increased now to 150cc on the Condor and 250 ( 229cc ) for the Hawk. Also available now with a balancer.
150 is a pushrod engine. Super simple. Mine actually feels pretty quick.
The 150 is a Honda CG clone engine. I have the XPro Hawk 150 and it’s a good engine. They just need maintenance like all bike engines.
Like other's have said the CG150 in the Vader/Condor is pushrod based and the engine in the GROM is OHC. Think of the CG150 as the Chevy 350/Ford 351 of small engines and what is on the GROM is more like a V-Tec Civic. The CG doesn't have the top-end rpm's of the GROM but it's better at torque and acceleration. Plus they're simple to work on and have no timing chain.
@@Slane583 I think you have your power curves reversed.
Do you have to get the vendor registered?
Man, my butt numbs first then my hands.... Can't ride non stop, gotta rest every hour or so. How do I get my hands stop numbing?? I tried switching grips, handles and gloves... Pls give me ideas on how to beat this eternal numbness
How much miles does chomper have?
Doubt you’ll get a new Grom for $4K, my Condor was $1618 delivered though.
I paid about $1800 total (with shipping) for my condor from amazon. Right out the box I changed my mirrors, rear license plate delete & tailights, handlebars, and grips. I bought a new rear spring front sprocket (18t) and chain. I also ordered a 17t sprocket in case the 18t don't fit. I plan on posting a video of my bike after I complete the mods.
@@texaspapi89 unless you’re a lightweight I’d run 16T, but that’s easy to try. Rear shock is a big question, it’s not horrible but a good shock is pricey. I ordered a Pirelli Angel rear in 140-70-12, see if that helps the ride any.
Love your channel
Thank you!
I’m ten years old and I have a Amazon dirt bike it works great
Thabks for sharing this video. I'm planning on getting one of these bikes soon as a second or third goon riding bike lol
Whats the seat on your 24’?
Dude, you gotta rev on that 150 ! Yeah, the stock bars stink, and modding that muffler is super easy, there’s just a short pipe in there with holes in it, no packing. With 16T front sprocket I’m getting about 58mph ( indicates 9K rpm in 5th/62-65mph but that’s not accurate ) Grom probably has a accurate speedo/tach, or is there one? 150 has fuel gauge and gear indicator, which is nice. Yeah, a 140 rear tire is going on my 150 soon, hoping it rides better/smoother.
I don’t know if I heard you say or not how tall are you? Weight?
Yes , height and weight would be appreciated !
Sooo, you could buy TWO Vaders and some performance kits for them for the price of ONE stock GROM? Gee, tough call.
So the xpro is carbureted and the from is fuel injected?
That's correct
Dude I had a few Vaders and I stayed working on those bikes. I'd never go Chinese again.
Wish we had these as kids. My old AR80 would smoke one of these top end. (KX125 MOTOR).🤫🤯
I've been wanting to get a first bike, what would you suggest??
Never get a chinese bike as your first bike. Always get a working second hand Japanese bike.
My recommendation is a Kawasaki Z125. It's between a grom and a Vader 150 in price, but zero wrenching required.
How is the gas mileage on both ?? Like if you were to take a Rd trip?? I seen the Kawasaki z125 ... It would be interesting to see all side by side put to the test... Great video
MPG on my Condor 150 isn’t that great, maybe 60mpg.
My condor average mpg is 70 over 750 miles. Has bigger jets than stock too. Pod filter, stock muffler.
tbh you need to swap the carb out on the vader 150 and it will make a huge difference
Check out the lifan kp mini 150 rs the efi version. Ive got people on fb in a group that are putting miles on them. Regular maintenance. They love them. The 150 is a nice bump from the 125 grom. Check that out i think its a 24 lifan kp mini 150
Ehh, definitely would rather change the sproket to make the vader better at cruizing than spend the extra money for the same thing lol
You get what you pay for. I'll take the Grom...
Whoever is having alot of shaking, look into bike BILDER bear on UA-cam and he has a bracket a pair of reinforcements for the Vader to eliminate that problem of the shakes, I’m gonna use it on a build myself. You will notice the difference once you install that and also the bolts to mount the engine may need to be replaced with fatter sized bolts. I rode my homeboys Vader after he welded the reinforced parts and new engine , exhaust , rims and tires it rode Cherry faster and stronger than a GROM. I’m getting a Vader and putting 3500bucks into it and it is going to be faster and all parts including swingarm , rims, chain , tires , forks, bars and engine all moded out , and it’s still under the price of a stock GROM out the dealer doors and the Vader is all ready to go and smokes a GROM that you will have to spend double that price like around 10,000bucks total. Hell no I’m not spending 5k on a Grimm🤣
I don't know, from the fasteners to the grommets and plastics just seemed low end budget garbage. I just think you would have so many less headaches to just go ahead and spend the money up front and buy the Honda.
The RP m's are very close.
Just Upgrade the carburetor and exhaust and that Vader will be the best option.
I wanted to see some gamble content
It’s coming!
@@lmfscrewlet’s go
Take the Grom … down the road you can get parts for it !!
... Sounds like a lawn mower that's why I got an electric drum That's a little bit bigger and taller
Put a Nibbi racing carb on the Vader and it will be faster.
Z125 is better IMO
Mt07 and mt03 >
Why buy an overpriced mini bike when you can buy a real motorcycle for the same money
Sell shorty
Bro why? 😂
First
All the Chinese clones need to be known through gospel that you will need to make significant modifications but after the fact, your bike or quad will easily match the name brand trends.
*The Grom is a deceptive gimmick in that these miniature motorcycles have been around for decades.* There were Ninja and Suzuki 150cc crotch rocket clones in the late 80's and early 90's. *My Pentora has been modded to such extents, it will devour a stock Yamaha Raptor 250.*
With all that said, for the average person a stock Chinese budget bike or ATV will be a piece of junk. Unless they're willing to learn to modify and repair it, the little wiggles, straw sized air intakes and all that strangle performance and create annoyingly necessary mods and adjustments.
*I guarantee that Vader is being strangled for air on the intake.* It's a standard design trait on all the Chinese stuff. As soon as you gut the intake systems, you'll see at least a 25% increase in performance if not 35. *$1600 still means about $200 in parts upgrades and $1500+ of your own labor, just as likely 2-3x that in labor in fact.* I have that much on my Pentora including nearly 100 feet of insulation on the exhaust which couples to a 2.5" glasspack muffler.
*99% of people don't want to put 100 feet if exhaust header insulation on anything lol.*
It’s a great day when @lmfscrw uploads a video 💯💯
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Yess
Need to learn how to drive, bud. Lugging the hell out of that grom by being in 4th gear at under 20 mph
I was thinking that myself