Game difficulty should be ramped up so things like these really have their meaning Contest mode was tough, I couldn’t finish it but loved every second of it.
@@Kirokill1 they need to keep it as an OPTION. personally, I raid casually. So contest was something I fucking hated. But if they allowed you to do it for extra loot, but kept it as an optional thing, I'd love that honestly. Occasionally doing contest vog for extra loot could be cool
I remember doing my first og VoG, and the moment I got that prompt meaning our team could go all out on Atheon, made me feel like our Guardians were a force of beyond who could defy fate itself. Such good memories.
I really liked this version of vog. It’s hard enough where you can’t exactly fall asleep, and it’s pretty fun too. Also I agree about the two emblems thing, I did the contest mode but not challenge mode, and I was kind of sad knowing that I wouldn’t get an emblem for it even though it was still very challenging
I’d be a little sadder over getting the contest completion but not a challenge completion if the emblem was better. I think the 10 Sherpa emblem is infinitely better than another black raid motif emblem that isn’t even recognisable as something you’d get from VoG.
@@TigerBears11 exactly, I think this problem could’ve been avoided altogether if a raid wasn’t re-used, this contest then challenge mode 2 runs for day 1 was a very bad system IMO
@@frostedeggos5189 “Exactly”? That wasn’t my point in the slightest. I’m fine with raids being re-used as long as they aren’t replacements for things like the big raids in yearly expansions. I’m fine with the two runs on day 1, I like the idea of a more challenging second run. I just don’t think the in-game reward for the second run was worth the hassle when I know I wouldn’t have had the time, and I think there should be more acknowledgment for players who finished the standard contest mode.
@@TigerBears11 and your point kind of agrees with what I thought anyway? getting an emblem no matter what it looks like for only the challenge completion was pretty shitty due to the fact nothing was rewarded for the regular contest completion
Started watching when Datto started making destiny content back in 2014 I was 12. I’m now 19 and a soon to be college student. Datto literally saw me through school lmao.
Literally the exact same experience for me. Started D2 in 2014, I’m now 19 still looking at Datto’s Thoughts on Destiny. Wouldn’t have it any other way.
@@ChardogNation on day one you could easily get overwhelmed by adds though. We focused more on surviving than killing him in my team and we killed him within a few tries.
@@RafitoOoO if you just stayed in wells and commited past oracles, it was a safe kill and that was with half my team not hotswap ping just firing slugs
A quick and dirty explanation of how easy Nu!Templar is: I had never played VoG before. I elected to learn how Relic works for that encounter because sure, why not, I might need to do it later, what the hell. I proceeded to whiff every. Single. Teleport block. And besides stripping the shields contributed nothing to DPS. We still got it first-try. And I got a lovely triumph out of the deal.
The text in the kill feed in this raid gives me the goosebumps to this day. Guardians make their own fate. You have succumb to the oracles. You are forever lost in the dark corners of time.
i mean thats kind of expected at this point. they are almost 8 years old. Expecting to play new games/content on 8 year old consoles is a recipe for disappointment.
Yeah I was doing a run yesterday and we almost wiped near the end as none of us could properly fight what was incoming. It’s mad that frame-rate is the biggest threat in that fight.
From 2014 to 2021, from middle school to college. VoG will always have a place in my childhood memories and I can happily say that I was able to clear it it the first week. I’m even happy that it wasn’t a 1 to 1 remake too. They kept the feeling of VoG while changing mechanics enough to keep them new. I couldn’t be happier
Making oracles needing to be destroyed in order alone makes this VoG harder than d1 lol. Only complaint imo is sadness of not having all the vog weapons back.
Yeah true, I miss my Atheon's Epilogue autorifle in D1. Wish it had made a return as a 720 or 900rpm auto with mid-high stability. Imagine Rewind Rounds on that thing and Rampage 🔥
It was the first time my friends and I were able to attempt a day one raid, and it was an absolute blast. The feeling of accomplishment on learning and overcoming encounters was awesome. I feel like I knew what was going on much more thoroughly when learning it for myself than from watching a guide (no offense). We didn't manage to kill Atheon as we got a bit of a late start, some of us didn't have the best gear, and it simply got too late, but we had a great time and I am eagerly looking forward to the next day one raid.
thats what happens it takes 1 day 1 experience with a proper team that you put together of friends and not just LFG and your hooked for like. Personally i got very lucky and my trio of friends got invited to join gernader jakes team for LW and you know what never looked back since then. participated in every day 1 since LW and am just looking forward to the next one around the corner hoping for that elusive worlds first raid belt
I HIGHLY encourage people to put together teams ahead of time and get acquainted. Build team chemistry, and start planning strategies. It will make your day 1 experience a LOT better. Day 1's are by far the most fun I've had in Destiny. Just getting in there and trying your best is great, and watching yourself do better each new day 1 you go for is so rewarding. You'll likely make great, lasting friends from it too!
Contest mode was insanely fun imo. My crew got to atheon after 7 hours and we paused it for the day. Came back the following morning and knocked him out within an hour. Loved everything about this and can’t wait to do it again tomorrow. Well done bungie, well fucking done!
Ha! I had the opposite experience. We got to Atheon just shy of 2h and then wiped on that for 4 or 5 before calling it a day. Team beat it the next day after another 4 or so hours.
Contest mode Templar was the single most fun experience I've had in Destiny 2 and it really makes me wish that we had it as a difficulty option more often. Hopefully Master difficulty will give me something towards that wish.
My question is...is why contest mode? The raid should be difficult to begin with. It's crazy to think that Bungie has to make it harder on Day 1 for 24hours then it's a cakewalk after that. Should have hard mode and normal mode
@@mxwells216 Contest mode was put in place to prevent day 1 "World's First" teams from grinding out insane power buffs and outleveling the raid on day 1. It was first put into place with Crown of Sorrow. Since then, we've had these long grind periods between the release of the expansion/season and the raid which makes getting into the day 1 more accessible, but means that once it's switched off, we're already overleveled for it.
Its mostly my fault for not jumping into the clan earlier but this was the first time I raided in 6 years. Vault of Glass and the refresh was a real breath of fresh air and it didn't feel like a pushover either
One of the reasons this raid feels much more challenging from a combat perspective is that they fixed the enemy AI for six-player activities. You can feel this in DSC now too, the enemies actually attack you in the Crypt Security and Descent encounters.
DSC is the easiest raid I've ever done and that pains me to say. VOG D1 sure but this VOG no sir. I dread running DSC now as easy as it is. Hoping Master actually adds modifiers other than a contest mode to actually challenge us since we already know the mechanics. Throw some attrition, famine, or something. PLZ Bungie make master mode hard
@@vex6213 Because there's not as many ads in general in DSC. Me and my friends definitely noticed the AI difference at the start of this season, but it was still relatively easy to overcome because of enemy density.
In the future I'd like to see Crota's End brought back as a dungeon with unique solo completion rewards like Prophecy. I also want Prison of Elders return with a new Scorn encounter for Forsaken owners, similar to what we had in Taken King.
I think the importance of the relic was intentionally decreased by Bungie with this rerelease. I remember them stating a while back, with the Crota’s End sword as an example, that they wanted to avoid situations that put too much responsibility and importance on one player’s skill out of the group. The nerfed relic and decreased importance of its abilities bring it more in line with the other roles for each encounter.
I never got to enjoy this raid when i played Destiny 1, had nobody to play with. Im glad they brought it back i hope to see more D1 Raids get re released
Crota's End should definitely be a dungeon. Except it's a different boss, and the encounters are more similar to the original than what was in VoG. Just add more enemies/obstacles to overcome
Datto: now we're taking pages out of rivens book where one team has to give callouts to the other team Calus: am I a joke to you? Every destiny youtuber: yes.
The oracles having a memory mechanic makes it so fun! And the enemies being more difficult made it feel like more of a raid. Amazing job Bungie! You still haven’t let me down, even through stasis and sunsetting.
I think that this raid is better than D1’s in about every way and I love it. If I had to critique it, I’d say I’d want them to buff Templar and Atheon a bit-make them be able to nuke people who aren’t being guarded by the relic (like in D1), because I always thought that was the coolest part of the fight. Other than that, I’m honestly really proud of Bungie with this one
100% agree that this raid is better than d1 version but curious where it places on your list of all raids(assuming you have played all) My list: 1. WotM 2. LW 3. SoS 4. VoG(d2) 5. DSC 6. KF 7. Levi 8. SotP 9. CoS 10. VoG(d1) 11. GoS 12. Crota 13. EoW a few side notes for the list GoS day 1 experience is top 3 along with LW and VoG(d1)/KF one of the d1 raids at least CoS ghalran is easily in my top 3 boss fights ever but first encounter is so awful it falls way behind Crota was a fun gimmick raid to solo but not really a raid hence so low despite being fun however EoW is just so bad it still is ahead of it Levi is probably not as good as SotP but it was d2 first raid so gets a little bump for me as its got fond memories(also levi speed run week is amazing) SoS gets a lot of hate but as you can see its in my top 3 i think people just are scared of it because the raid is actually really hard compared to average destiny raids but with practice becomes really chill and fun WotM probably has the best boss fight ever created the best supporting boss(maybe atraks can compete for that or war preist) and it easily has the best encounter ever created in the game with it being Zamboni that shit was just incredible and so refreshing
Eh, I think their damage is fine outside a Well/rift honestly. It's enough to make you actually use cover, but not enough to really punish the fireteam and make you waste revives.
I felt like a god killing Atheon during contest. VoG was a fantastic experience and I congrats Bungie on delivering a really cool Day One experience, I will be participating in the next one for sure!
This is the superior version of VoG. My only complaint is that the chest spawn after the door is opened should be at its original spot. I always find myself driving past it out of habit, then backtracking.
I like the changes now because I have completed it a few times and I am probably going to go for the seal but for the first 2 days I hated the oracles encounter
The way you described how you had to make a choice during oracles was perfect. It's exactly what I was thinking but I couldn't exactly put it into words. Oracles is a lot more engaging now and I love it.
I found an LFG group for the raid and it was a blast. 2 people had experience, 1 person did it once, and everyone else never did it and we still managed to finish it in 2 hours.
The Templar's lower damage is based on the Rez tokens. It was fine to die randomly in D1 because in 30 seconds you were back, now however you only have 6 tokens.
The only issue I had with Destiny 2 VoG is changing the oracles from yellow to blue There's already enough blue in the encounter and they don't aesthetically contrast with the environment anymore
My only complaint on the day one challenge. For some reason my team had alot of glitches. The tower to open the door randomly disappeared on us after it was almost complete. Took another hour to build it again. Anti barrier mods did not work. Ammo finders did not work. At some points no heavy bricks dropped for us for almost an hour despite having ammo finders for heavy. Other than that it was fun and hopefully I will have the day off again when the next one drops.
To be honest, been playing since vanilla D1 and the nostalgia goggles are fully off. Even back in D1, I felt Vault of Glass was just... eh. Baby's first raid, I guess. My preference has always leaned towards more mechanically dense raids such as King's Fall and Last Wish. This isn't to say VoG is boring or anything. I just don't have much nostalgia for it and it's not my preferred length as far as raids go. This past week has been interesting cause I've been in a few groups of D2 players and D1 "vets" so I've gotten to hear all kinds of opinions on this. From the "that's... that's it?" (mostly coming from D2 players) to the "FUCK YEAH"s (mostly from D1 vets). From a development standpoint, it's interesting to see which mechanics Bungie has attempted to iterate upon over the years. I thought it was cute that they brought back the Golgoroth-esque "GET THE FUCK AWAY FROM PEOPLE" mechanic with the detainment at Atheon. From what I've seen on social media, some people are pretty split on the oracles having an order? I personally don't mind it, but as someone who depends on LFG 99% of the time, it's been a struggle sometimes. Hell, that one "that's it?" came from someone in an LFG group after us being stuck at oracles for like, two hours... and then killing Atheon in 20 minutes... lol. Anyways, I'm fine with this change. All in all, a fun experience. Will probably run it weekly until I get Mythoclast. It's a fun raid, but not fun enough that I'd run it just for the hell of it like I did with KF and Wrath. Edit: A small thing I would love to see them bring back is... just... MORE blurbs of flavor text that appear in the combat feed. The "Guardians make their own fate" that shows up when Time's Vengeance adds a lot of flavor to the damage phase. It not only alludes to the fact that guardians are paracausal, but it's also like a big middle finger to the vex and just kinda... hypes you up for the damage. It's a sort of "go get em, kid" from the devs... lol... And I wish they used it more. Not in every fight, of course... but I do feel like there are key encounters where you can use the combat feed to convey that it's "time to fuck shit up" in a way that resonates with the player.
I feel the same about VOG. Nostalgia blinds me for most of it, mainly the memories of what happened between friends playing it then the gameplay itself. The Raid itself, like you, has always been mediocre in my opinion. Part of that was it always felt so calm doing it, when I enjoy tension and constant communication. I suppose that feeling has increased when comparing it to every other raid, as for the most part Bungie improves them with each new one. I also rely on LFG, and I think many almost wanted it to be better than it was. A few tried to make it sound better but honestly I could tell they didn’t enjoy it. The mechanics of the oracles are pretty good. Requires some communication, and was fairly easy to get a hold on how to create a system. Overall though, a raid that is pleasing to run through but not necessarily challenging and lacked teamwork skills I think are necessary.
I like vog but I agree with the more mechanic based raids. Kings fall, wrath, and last wish are my 3 favorites because they are mechanic heavy and the encounters are fun to me. Still love every raid though. They are great content
2 things me and my raid team do during the Atheon fight: 1) with the floating harpys that spawn in the air, we always leave one alive on each side, that stops more from spawning (its now a meme with us that we say that every time we start the encounter). yes you have one sitting there sniping with its laser beam but better than then continuous respawn. 2) the team that gets teleported, they immediately grab the relic and run to the far end of the room, as you essentially spawn in where Atheon is, so we run to what is essentially the normal spawn location, and the non-teleported team we have the caller stand there as well. this way everyone has the same view, makes the oracle calls easier.
I also hope that the master version of this comes with something special because I don't have like, a core raid team, even in my clan. People just randomly get together, I wasn't planning to play the raid but ended up there. But a master version to prove with a team I craft is a good thing and all raids moving forward should offer it
Its gonna have adept versions of the weapons but they are gonna have a different aesthetic to normal adepts and they are instead called timelost weapons
I’m glad I got to experience a day 1 raid. We didn’t finish but still was great to finally experience a day 1 raid finally. Definitely was challenging but eventually got it done.
I was doing Right Plate for Gatekeepers on day 1 last week... By the time the rest of my team cleared the encounter I had settled into what was basically a brainless, mechanical rhythm of exactly when the 3 goblins would spawn from the side, followed a short time later by the Overload minotaur, and then repeat, and then throw a Deathbringer into mid to help with the hydra, and then repeat it all again.
Dont forget that conflux drops to like 10 Frames per second when the wiverns or champions come out on ps4 and Xbox one. Its much worse than garden sadly
I play on xbox one and I did it for the first time yesterday and I only had a second of frame drops although that might be because my tv boosts the fps of everything displayed on it.
I feel overall good about VoG. I'm super excited about the master modes ect. Looking forward to the day we get weekly rotating raids and ornaments for the armour. If they follow what they did in D1
I guess I’m the only person that dislikes the new VoG. This is simply the latest raid in Bungie’s list where communication is the sole reason to fail the encounter. Dead teammates? Nope Threatening enemies? Nope Powerful boss? Nope Reciting the order of flashing lights incrementally till someone trips up? Ding, ding, ding. I do agree with Datto that VoG wasn’t the best designed raid in D1.
As an old school Templar relic bro I'm glad that somebody else acknowledged how the role was diminished lol I'll give it to Bungie: while Vault isn't the best raid in the series, this is definitely the penultimate version of it without sweeping changes. I was very surprised at how they kept the spirit of the original while adapting it to the D2 sandbox. That team deserves some serious pats on the back
I think the Aetheon challenges should’ve been swapped. Not killing any supplicants would’ve made the day one challenge mode a little tougher and more interesting. Then you could’ve had the teleport team Oracle challenge for the triumphs
Honestly I agree with the two emblems for day 1, just the normal contest mode version was hard enough on it's own imo... As someone who played VoG quite a bit back in D1, I really enjoyed my time in day one contest mode, even if it's a little marred by the fact we only made it to the Templar bossfight. and that we honestly we spent way too long trying to get it done...
I had 11 full clears by the Thursday after, I love this raid so much and have so many great new memories from day 1. GJ bungo, you have earned my respect back
The thing is about Day 1 raids that people fail to understand... they are BASICALLY grandmaster nightfalls. It’s the only other activity that puts you 20 levels below light on every encounter. So walking into the raid thinking you’re going to get a clear WITHOUT even having grandmaster experience, yeah you’re fooling yourself.
It was mainly the LFG teams complaining. Ironically I was dependant on LFG, but I understood how and why it should be so hard. Contest mode was for worlds first aswell, and if a randomly found group could compete with those who have planned and prepared for the raid would be a joke
There is literally zero reason to do reverse callouts on Atheon Oracles. Portal Team just moves to the other side of the room. Then you're also right by the portal when you're done. Why would anyone bother with reverse callouts!?
I think VoG is a great intro raid, especially a great offering for free to play. It offers a challenge, but is not too complicated, giving players that are new to raids a nice little feel of how they are in Destiny. I quite enjoy it, although there are a lot of cheeses like on Atheon or Gatekeepers that are able to dampen the lfg experience sometimes. The new oracles give a greater sense of coordination rather than how it was before. Overall, great! I'd love to see other raids be brought back (obviously not every season) as I feel that VoG makes this season feel a lot more alive.
Datto I am so glad u talked about no day 1 contest (normal) emblem me and my team did it day 1 but only had 3 hours left for challenge and we stopped due to being tired but still happy we did it having nothing to show for that was annoying. Keep up the content enjoying the more frequent vids.
The enemies during Oracles are easy to spawn kill (at least on the right side) with Null Composure and/or a Machine Gun. Helps to keep that section relatively safe except from the hobgoblin snipers.
I absolutely love the remastered VoG. The new Gatekeeper encounter is one of my favorite encounters in the game’s history of raid encounters. Probably just behind Vault for best non-boss raid encounter. The Atheon changes make it one of my favorite boss encounters too. I’m so excited for Tuesdays now because I get to run this again. It does feel very similar, but it’s different enough to still be entertaining and challenging with how strong we’ve become. I’m glad we agree that they should have put a contest emblem in there and then a challenge mode emblem too. It sucks that I spent so much time in there and I don’t really have anything to show for it. I think the people who beat Tempo’s Edge should definitely have something unique to show off. But people who put in the time to at least get the contest clear should have something too.
This was my first day 1 raid, we made it to gatekeeper in about 6 hours. We called it there. the additional difficulty was actually fun, having to really focus up and play your life. I hope they make it an optional difficulty some day.
I got Vex Mythoclast on my first run ever of this raid. I enjoyed doing my raid for the first time and easy to say that my team stopped talking to me for a day or 2 :)
Even though my team didn't clear day one because we stopped at templar but I feel like the difficulty was fitting but because my friends had never attempted a day one at that point they weren't prepared but we still like it a lot!.
The reason why people didn't really participate in day 1 of VOG was because the lfg was asking for people that had some basic idea of VOG from d1. I myself have only recently gotten my first clear and still having a hard time finding a lfg that will help do another.
I'm pretty sure in the last fight that if the relic holder doesn't hold the block down it dramatically decreases your ability regen, but that might just be me. Also relic is super buggy where the relic holder will still see themselves blocking but on everyone else's screen they won't be and will still be damagable and any marked people won't be cleansed.
I wish they'd remix more content considering we replay it constantly. Basically all of the older D2 strikes could have their enemy counts doubled or more plus throw some more packs into the long running sections. Trying to do this with new players that didn't have any mods or effective DPS (like we pinged the entire Discord on Boss Spec days afterwards) was hilariously tough. A couple of us would do a few million damage and we'd still hit enrage on Templar.
It might be nice if they made challenge mode like Iron Banner, bring it back once in a while. It would give people a way to gauge their progress. Also, they could make old raids relevant by adding challenge modes rotating through those.
OG D1 player. Started playing D2 when it became free and grabbed forsaken never did the raid. stopped playing. Grabbed shadow keep but stop playing again. Now I’m fully immersed into it and just bought beyond light. Most of my friends started playing and we all got a decent light lvl. We tried VOG But hot stuck on Templar Oracle part. Even though they told me it was in a order i still shot on sight due to remembering from d1 to shoot without any order. My friends (all of em playing) SWORE UP AND DOWN That it was “ ALWAYS THIS WAY IN D1” that way even in D1. Shit made me feel dumb and crazy when in fact i was totally right! Thank you datto! Now all they can say i shot the oracle in the wrong order
As a solo player, I thought I would never be able to complete a raid. But it’s honestly so beginner friendly and I encourage other solo players to hop on an lfg and give it a try.
been watching datto since just before game release when bungie announced him as a main content creator. so weird to see this come back full circle pretty much, i remember destiny releasing when i started high school, now im 21 and im seeing datto talk about vog again
"Just a remnant of its time" - I see what you did there ;) Great vid as always! It's my fav raid of all raids - and love what they've done with it. Contest mode adds that extra flavor on top of all of this to make it even better!
'Guardians Make Their Own Fate' gets me pumped all these years later and it's still just a little text popup
Game difficulty should be ramped up so things like these really have their meaning
Contest mode was tough, I couldn’t finish it but loved every second of it.
@@Kirokill1 they need to keep it as an OPTION. personally, I raid casually. So contest was something I fucking hated. But if they allowed you to do it for extra loot, but kept it as an optional thing, I'd love that honestly. Occasionally doing contest vog for extra loot could be cool
@@Kirusdagon That reminds me, they are adding master mode so we're both are going to end up happy.
@@Kirokill1 true
I remember doing my first og VoG, and the moment I got that prompt meaning our team could go all out on Atheon, made me feel like our Guardians were a force of beyond who could defy fate itself. Such good memories.
I really liked this version of vog. It’s hard enough where you can’t exactly fall asleep, and it’s pretty fun too. Also I agree about the two emblems thing, I did the contest mode but not challenge mode, and I was kind of sad knowing that I wouldn’t get an emblem for it even though it was still very challenging
I’d be a little sadder over getting the contest completion but not a challenge completion if the emblem was better. I think the 10 Sherpa emblem is infinitely better than another black raid motif emblem that isn’t even recognisable as something you’d get from VoG.
@@TigerBears11 exactly, I think this problem could’ve been avoided altogether if a raid wasn’t re-used, this contest then challenge mode 2 runs for day 1 was a very bad system IMO
@@frostedeggos5189 “Exactly”? That wasn’t my point in the slightest. I’m fine with raids being re-used as long as they aren’t replacements for things like the big raids in yearly expansions. I’m fine with the two runs on day 1, I like the idea of a more challenging second run. I just don’t think the in-game reward for the second run was worth the hassle when I know I wouldn’t have had the time, and I think there should be more acknowledgment for players who finished the standard contest mode.
@@TigerBears11 oh my bad I replied to the wrong guy
@@TigerBears11 and your point kind of agrees with what I thought anyway? getting an emblem no matter what it looks like for only the challenge completion was pretty shitty due to the fact nothing was rewarded for the regular contest completion
Started watching when Datto started making destiny content back in 2014 I was 12. I’m now 19 and a soon to be college student. Datto literally saw me through school lmao.
Literally the exact same experience for me. Started D2 in 2014, I’m now 19 still looking at Datto’s Thoughts on Destiny. Wouldn’t have it any other way.
Bruh this shit awfully similar. I'm 19 as well and started playing destiny back in the day too
same lmao
Same lol
Daddy Datto.
"Just a remnant of its time, I guess." A... Relic? Of a bygone era perhaps? *Suggestive eyebrows*
Easily the strongest sentence in the whole script
An elegant weapon. From a more civilized time.
It’s a line from falcon and the winter soldier for those who are confused
The templar on day one was hard obviously
But now?
“Double slug anarchy?”
*the whole fireteam nods*
I mean it was a pretty easy 1 phase day 1 with double slugs
You could easily one phase him with double slug on day 1 lol as soon as we did that we realized that boss was one of the biggest jokes possible
@@ChardogNation on day one you could easily get overwhelmed by adds though. We focused more on surviving than killing him in my team and we killed him within a few tries.
@@RafitoOoO if you just stayed in wells and commited past oracles, it was a safe kill and that was with half my team not hotswap ping just firing slugs
A quick and dirty explanation of how easy Nu!Templar is: I had never played VoG before. I elected to learn how Relic works for that encounter because sure, why not, I might need to do it later, what the hell. I proceeded to whiff every. Single. Teleport block. And besides stripping the shields contributed nothing to DPS. We still got it first-try. And I got a lovely triumph out of the deal.
The text in the kill feed in this raid gives me the goosebumps to this day. Guardians make their own fate. You have succumb to the oracles. You are forever lost in the dark corners of time.
The refresh to VOG actually makes me want to run it
Do it! Just ran it for the first time last night and they did a GREAT job bringing it back
Do it! It’s the best version yet!
I personally cant wait for reset to re-run VoG
Do it, I loved it. Was a little weird getting used to the oracles on atheon but once you get it down it's cake
What’s next? Bringing back “Crota”?
The only bad thing imo about VoG is the frames that a last gen console gets during Confluxes, good lord it's so piss poor
yeah the frame drop is real there, even worse than back in the titan wizard public event in y1 where shit ton of nightstalkers spamming tether
It's on pc too, not just console, so it's the encounter itself.
i mean thats kind of expected at this point. they are almost 8 years old. Expecting to play new games/content on 8 year old consoles is a recipe for disappointment.
@@GTR1997 doesnt happen on xbox series x. its def youre hardware.
Yeah I was doing a run yesterday and we almost wiped near the end as none of us could properly fight what was incoming. It’s mad that frame-rate is the biggest threat in that fight.
the last version was more effective than melatonin. but this, i like it
I would legit “accidentally die” in conflux encounter just to not sit through all of it
Thanks mara sovs thigh
Only melatonin? Nah. The old version was more effective than a heart bypass
@@flansquadgaming9286 oh my god same wtf
From 2014 to 2021, from middle school to college. VoG will always have a place in my childhood memories and I can happily say that I was able to clear it it the first week. I’m even happy that it wasn’t a 1 to 1 remake too. They kept the feeling of VoG while changing mechanics enough to keep them new. I couldn’t be happier
Making oracles needing to be destroyed in order alone makes this VoG harder than d1 lol. Only complaint imo is sadness of not having all the vog weapons back.
Yeah true, I miss my Atheon's Epilogue autorifle in D1. Wish it had made a return as a 720 or 900rpm auto with mid-high stability. Imagine Rewind Rounds on that thing and Rampage 🔥
If they bring back kings fall I want the basketball game to be an encounter
I’ll come back for kings fall this don’t do it for me
@@juliensmith5807 maybe
Queen FALL
U know what I mean right?
they might as well bring back all the raid then, they should stop doing that and just make new and good ones
I too am hyped for the chance at mad dunks
OMG the Deathsingers encounter ! Lol
It was the first time my friends and I were able to attempt a day one raid, and it was an absolute blast. The feeling of accomplishment on learning and overcoming encounters was awesome. I feel like I knew what was going on much more thoroughly when learning it for myself than from watching a guide (no offense). We didn't manage to kill Atheon as we got a bit of a late start, some of us didn't have the best gear, and it simply got too late, but we had a great time and I am eagerly looking forward to the next day one raid.
thats what happens it takes 1 day 1 experience with a proper team that you put together of friends and not just LFG and your hooked for like. Personally i got very lucky and my trio of friends got invited to join gernader jakes team for LW and you know what never looked back since then. participated in every day 1 since LW and am just looking forward to the next one around the corner hoping for that elusive worlds first raid belt
I HIGHLY encourage people to put together teams ahead of time and get acquainted. Build team chemistry, and start planning strategies. It will make your day 1 experience a LOT better. Day 1's are by far the most fun I've had in Destiny. Just getting in there and trying your best is great, and watching yourself do better each new day 1 you go for is so rewarding. You'll likely make great, lasting friends from it too!
Contest mode was insanely fun imo. My crew got to atheon after 7 hours and we paused it for the day. Came back the following morning and knocked him out within an hour. Loved everything about this and can’t wait to do it again tomorrow. Well done bungie, well fucking done!
Ha! I had the opposite experience. We got to Atheon just shy of 2h and then wiped on that for 4 or 5 before calling it a day. Team beat it the next day after another 4 or so hours.
Contest mode Templar was the single most fun experience I've had in Destiny 2 and it really makes me wish that we had it as a difficulty option more often. Hopefully Master difficulty will give me something towards that wish.
My question is...is why contest mode? The raid should be difficult to begin with. It's crazy to think that Bungie has to make it harder on Day 1 for 24hours then it's a cakewalk after that. Should have hard mode and normal mode
@@mxwells216 Contest mode was put in place to prevent day 1 "World's First" teams from grinding out insane power buffs and outleveling the raid on day 1. It was first put into place with Crown of Sorrow. Since then, we've had these long grind periods between the release of the expansion/season and the raid which makes getting into the day 1 more accessible, but means that once it's switched off, we're already overleveled for it.
@@VallornDeathblade I guess I'm old school. I want the raid to be difficult. Hard mode. Like Gladd said....D1 did it the best with the raids
Its mostly my fault for not jumping into the clan earlier but this was the first time I raided in 6 years. Vault of Glass and the refresh was a real breath of fresh air and it didn't feel like a pushover either
One of the reasons this raid feels much more challenging from a combat perspective is that they fixed the enemy AI for six-player activities. You can feel this in DSC now too, the enemies actually attack you in the Crypt Security and Descent encounters.
DSC is the easiest raid I've ever done and that pains me to say. VOG D1 sure but this VOG no sir. I dread running DSC now as easy as it is. Hoping Master actually adds modifiers other than a contest mode to actually challenge us since we already know the mechanics. Throw some attrition, famine, or something. PLZ Bungie make master mode hard
@@shoblizz21 have you tried it after VOG? Feels a lot tougher with the AI buff.
@@Thrillkilled yeah just doesn't hit as hard is all. VOG is definitel more tougher ai wise than DSC, but the ads are eh still
@@Thrillkilled I've played it. The adds are still dumb as hell and its a garbage excuse for "aspirational" or "endgame" content.
@@vex6213 Because there's not as many ads in general in DSC. Me and my friends definitely noticed the AI difference at the start of this season, but it was still relatively easy to overcome because of enemy density.
In the future I'd like to see Crota's End brought back as a dungeon with unique solo completion rewards like Prophecy. I also want Prison of Elders return with a new Scorn encounter for Forsaken owners, similar to what we had in Taken King.
Damn that D1 footage looks like a pre-Alpha build of D2. Guess I hadn’t realized how much better it actually looks now
I think the importance of the relic was intentionally decreased by Bungie with this rerelease. I remember them stating a while back, with the Crota’s End sword as an example, that they wanted to avoid situations that put too much responsibility and importance on one player’s skill out of the group. The nerfed relic and decreased importance of its abilities bring it more in line with the other roles for each encounter.
I never got to enjoy this raid when i played Destiny 1, had nobody to play with. Im glad they brought it back i hope to see more D1 Raids get re released
Same
Crota's End should definitely be a dungeon. Except it's a different boss, and the encounters are more similar to the original than what was in VoG. Just add more enemies/obstacles to overcome
Nah, keep crota as a dungeon boss. Not being able to solo the real Crota would feel off
Datto: now we're taking pages out of rivens book where one team has to give callouts to the other team
Calus: am I a joke to you?
Every destiny youtuber: yes.
The oracles having a memory mechanic makes it so fun! And the enemies being more difficult made it feel like more of a raid.
Amazing job Bungie! You still haven’t let me down, even through stasis and sunsetting.
Datto please make the video you describe at the end, imagining changes/updates to other D1 raids. That sounds great
I think that this raid is better than D1’s in about every way and I love it. If I had to critique it, I’d say I’d want them to buff Templar and Atheon a bit-make them be able to nuke people who aren’t being guarded by the relic (like in D1), because I always thought that was the coolest part of the fight. Other than that, I’m honestly really proud of Bungie with this one
100% agree that this raid is better than d1 version but curious where it places on your list of all raids(assuming you have played all)
My list:
1. WotM 2. LW 3. SoS 4. VoG(d2) 5. DSC 6. KF 7. Levi 8. SotP 9. CoS 10. VoG(d1) 11. GoS 12. Crota 13. EoW
a few side notes for the list GoS day 1 experience is top 3 along with LW and VoG(d1)/KF one of the d1 raids at least
CoS ghalran is easily in my top 3 boss fights ever but first encounter is so awful it falls way behind
Crota was a fun gimmick raid to solo but not really a raid hence so low despite being fun however EoW is just so bad it still is ahead of it
Levi is probably not as good as SotP but it was d2 first raid so gets a little bump for me as its got fond memories(also levi speed run week is amazing)
SoS gets a lot of hate but as you can see its in my top 3 i think people just are scared of it because the raid is actually really hard compared to average destiny raids but with practice becomes really chill and fun
WotM probably has the best boss fight ever created the best supporting boss(maybe atraks can compete for that or war preist) and it easily has the best encounter ever created in the game with it being Zamboni that shit was just incredible and so refreshing
Eh, I think their damage is fine outside a Well/rift honestly. It's enough to make you actually use cover, but not enough to really punish the fireteam and make you waste revives.
Datto you forgot to mention that in D1, the relic could cleanse marked for negation.
I picked up D2 for the first time in over a year to give this raid a try
same man, picked up after 3 years. now im playing more Destiny than I did 3 years ago
I felt like a god killing Atheon during contest. VoG was a fantastic experience and I congrats Bungie on delivering a really cool Day One experience, I will be participating in the next one for sure!
This is the superior version of VoG. My only complaint is that the chest spawn after the door is opened should be at its original spot. I always find myself driving past it out of habit, then backtracking.
I have the same problem with sepiks they moved its chest at the back instead of the front
I like the changes now because I have completed it a few times and I am probably going to go for the seal but for the first 2 days I hated the oracles encounter
The way you described how you had to make a choice during oracles was perfect. It's exactly what I was thinking but I couldn't exactly put it into words. Oracles is a lot more engaging now and I love it.
“datto jr”
Welp, time to wait for “Vault of Glass 2.0 but only the funny parts”, cus there’s no way that’s not Jez.
I found an LFG group for the raid and it was a blast. 2 people had experience, 1 person did it once, and everyone else never did it and we still managed to finish it in 2 hours.
The Templar's lower damage is based on the Rez tokens. It was fine to die randomly in D1 because in 30 seconds you were back, now however you only have 6 tokens.
Am I the only one to remember Atheon's Epilogue?
I still haven't heard anyone talk about that autorifle yet.
The only issue I had with Destiny 2 VoG is changing the oracles from yellow to blue
There's already enough blue in the encounter and they don't aesthetically contrast with the environment anymore
Thanks for covering all of this lately! I appreciate the clear, concise dialogue that you bring up.
Keep being you, Datto.
A video on suggestions for the other raids would be a good idea. Crotas end becoming a dungeon maybe for example.
“We’re taking a break age out of the riven book”
Yeah. Bungie not patching a cheese
This didn't age well
i love the bloopers being kept in, please keep doing that
Hooray! Mr. Travel is here to form my opinions for me
Ha, Guess I know who wears the pants in the relationship. Hahaha
Bungie: heavily change gatekeeper phase
guardians: prometheus lense
12:48 "Taking pages out of Riven's book"
Calus: "Am I a joke to you?"
My only complaint on the day one challenge. For some reason my team had alot of glitches. The tower to open the door randomly disappeared on us after it was almost complete. Took another hour to build it again. Anti barrier mods did not work. Ammo finders did not work. At some points no heavy bricks dropped for us for almost an hour despite having ammo finders for heavy. Other than that it was fun and hopefully I will have the day off again when the next one drops.
“Remnant of its time” is a great description of the relic, for more reasons than one
"we're gonna start with Atheon" I felt so betrayed and idk why. lol
To be honest, been playing since vanilla D1 and the nostalgia goggles are fully off. Even back in D1, I felt Vault of Glass was just... eh. Baby's first raid, I guess. My preference has always leaned towards more mechanically dense raids such as King's Fall and Last Wish. This isn't to say VoG is boring or anything. I just don't have much nostalgia for it and it's not my preferred length as far as raids go. This past week has been interesting cause I've been in a few groups of D2 players and D1 "vets" so I've gotten to hear all kinds of opinions on this. From the "that's... that's it?" (mostly coming from D2 players) to the "FUCK YEAH"s (mostly from D1 vets).
From a development standpoint, it's interesting to see which mechanics Bungie has attempted to iterate upon over the years. I thought it was cute that they brought back the Golgoroth-esque "GET THE FUCK AWAY FROM PEOPLE" mechanic with the detainment at Atheon. From what I've seen on social media, some people are pretty split on the oracles having an order? I personally don't mind it, but as someone who depends on LFG 99% of the time, it's been a struggle sometimes. Hell, that one "that's it?" came from someone in an LFG group after us being stuck at oracles for like, two hours... and then killing Atheon in 20 minutes... lol. Anyways, I'm fine with this change.
All in all, a fun experience. Will probably run it weekly until I get Mythoclast. It's a fun raid, but not fun enough that I'd run it just for the hell of it like I did with KF and Wrath.
Edit: A small thing I would love to see them bring back is... just... MORE blurbs of flavor text that appear in the combat feed. The "Guardians make their own fate" that shows up when Time's Vengeance adds a lot of flavor to the damage phase. It not only alludes to the fact that guardians are paracausal, but it's also like a big middle finger to the vex and just kinda... hypes you up for the damage. It's a sort of "go get em, kid" from the devs... lol... And I wish they used it more. Not in every fight, of course... but I do feel like there are key encounters where you can use the combat feed to convey that it's "time to fuck shit up" in a way that resonates with the player.
I feel the same about VOG. Nostalgia blinds me for most of it, mainly the memories of what happened between friends playing it then the gameplay itself. The Raid itself, like you, has always been mediocre in my opinion. Part of that was it always felt so calm doing it, when I enjoy tension and constant communication. I suppose that feeling has increased when comparing it to every other raid, as for the most part Bungie improves them with each new one. I also rely on LFG, and I think many almost wanted it to be better than it was. A few tried to make it sound better but honestly I could tell they didn’t enjoy it.
The mechanics of the oracles are pretty good. Requires some communication, and was fairly easy to get a hold on how to create a system.
Overall though, a raid that is pleasing to run through but not necessarily challenging and lacked teamwork skills I think are necessary.
I like vog but I agree with the more mechanic based raids. Kings fall, wrath, and last wish are my 3 favorites because they are mechanic heavy and the encounters are fun to me. Still love every raid though. They are great content
2 things me and my raid team do during the Atheon fight:
1) with the floating harpys that spawn in the air, we always leave one alive on each side, that stops more from spawning (its now a meme with us that we say that every time we start the encounter). yes you have one sitting there sniping with its laser beam but better than then continuous respawn.
2) the team that gets teleported, they immediately grab the relic and run to the far end of the room, as you essentially spawn in where Atheon is, so we run to what is essentially the normal spawn location, and the non-teleported team we have the caller stand there as well. this way everyone has the same view, makes the oracle calls easier.
Thanks Datto! This was exactly the kind of comparison video I was hoping for, as someone who didn't experience D1 VoG.
I also hope that the master version of this comes with something special because I don't have like, a core raid team, even in my clan. People just randomly get together, I wasn't planning to play the raid but ended up there. But a master version to prove with a team I craft is a good thing and all raids moving forward should offer it
Its gonna have adept versions of the weapons but they are gonna have a different aesthetic to normal adepts and they are instead called timelost weapons
VoG redux is superb. The changes they made to oracles, gatekeeper, and atheon brings it in line to the standard that they have built too.
Me: (Bored at work because its memorial day)
Datto: (Releases this)
Thank you sir for making my day a bit more bearable.
I’m glad I got to experience a day 1 raid. We didn’t finish but still was great to finally experience a day 1 raid finally. Definitely was challenging but eventually got it done.
I was doing Right Plate for Gatekeepers on day 1 last week... By the time the rest of my team cleared the encounter I had settled into what was basically a brainless, mechanical rhythm of exactly when the 3 goblins would spawn from the side, followed a short time later by the Overload minotaur, and then repeat, and then throw a Deathbringer into mid to help with the hydra, and then repeat it all again.
"Guradians make their own fate" has gotta be the most coolest thing ever
And also I swear to God I've been hearing the Oracle sound
Dont forget that conflux drops to like 10 Frames per second when the wiverns or champions come out on ps4 and Xbox one. Its much worse than garden sadly
Oh if only 12 man raids were discovered when vog released
worse than garden? oh boy this is not gonna be fun im abt to do my first run this week.
Just get a series x lol
@@hyperhinhitter let me know when they are easy to get or not overpriced ridiculously
I play on xbox one and I did it for the first time yesterday and I only had a second of frame drops although that might be because my tv boosts the fps of everything displayed on it.
One change I think they could make to the templar fight, maybe the relic holder should be the one who has to block the teleport.
3:09 that was a jez dramatically right there lmao
I feel overall good about VoG.
I'm super excited about the master modes ect. Looking forward to the day we get weekly rotating raids and ornaments for the armour. If they follow what they did in D1
Not having a 24-hour contest mode completion emblem really sucks.
I hate how they didnt add the fusion, pulse and auto-rifles into the loot table
The auto makes sense because smgs take the place of the high rapid fire of Atheons Epilogue
Idk why they got rid of Praedyths Timepiece or Praetorian Foil though, they were good and both were rare!
"No omega grinding unless you havent played for a year"
*sad stopped playing in shadowkeep noises*
For raids, on day 1, you should have the ability disable contest mode once you've completed the raid
I guess I’m the only person that dislikes the new VoG. This is simply the latest raid in Bungie’s list where communication is the sole reason to fail the encounter.
Dead teammates? Nope
Threatening enemies? Nope
Powerful boss? Nope
Reciting the order of flashing lights incrementally till someone trips up? Ding, ding, ding.
I do agree with Datto that VoG wasn’t the best designed raid in D1.
As an old school Templar relic bro I'm glad that somebody else acknowledged how the role was diminished lol
I'll give it to Bungie: while Vault isn't the best raid in the series, this is definitely the penultimate version of it without sweeping changes. I was very surprised at how they kept the spirit of the original while adapting it to the D2 sandbox. That team deserves some serious pats on the back
Stasis turrets in this raid put in work. Especially for contest.
I think the Aetheon challenges should’ve been swapped. Not killing any supplicants would’ve made the day one challenge mode a little tougher and more interesting. Then you could’ve had the teleport team Oracle challenge for the triumphs
My only issue with day one is that finding a team that will actually do well is harder than actually doing the raid that day itself.
I wish Bungie had better social features so I could find a good team for this stuff. Maybe a PvE clan? Idk..
It took me 8 hours to find a team that didn’t rage quit before they even got on Venus because someone was “talking to much”
Honestly I agree with the two emblems for day 1, just the normal contest mode version was hard enough on it's own imo... As someone who played VoG quite a bit back in D1, I really enjoyed my time in day one contest mode, even if it's a little marred by the fact we only made it to the Templar bossfight. and that we honestly we spent way too long trying to get it done...
Datto for atheon jus go to the back of the place where u get teleported u don’t need to reverse it.
For oracles I mean like wen youre shooting them
At Templar I thought you could cleanse marked for negation with the relic. This meant most teams just ignored the oricals I this encounter.
The video we have all been waiting for.
I had 11 full clears by the Thursday after, I love this raid so much and have so many great new memories from day 1. GJ bungo, you have earned my respect back
The thing is about Day 1 raids that people fail to understand... they are BASICALLY grandmaster nightfalls. It’s the only other activity that puts you 20 levels below light on every encounter. So walking into the raid thinking you’re going to get a clear WITHOUT even having grandmaster experience, yeah you’re fooling yourself.
It was mainly the LFG teams complaining. Ironically I was dependant on LFG, but I understood how and why it should be so hard. Contest mode was for worlds first aswell, and if a randomly found group could compete with those who have planned and prepared for the raid would be a joke
There is literally zero reason to do reverse callouts on Atheon Oracles. Portal Team just moves to the other side of the room. Then you're also right by the portal when you're done.
Why would anyone bother with reverse callouts!?
I personally really like the changes bungie made to vog
I think VoG is a great intro raid, especially a great offering for free to play. It offers a challenge, but is not too complicated, giving players that are new to raids a nice little feel of how they are in Destiny. I quite enjoy it, although there are a lot of cheeses like on Atheon or Gatekeepers that are able to dampen the lfg experience sometimes. The new oracles give a greater sense of coordination rather than how it was before. Overall, great! I'd love to see other raids be brought back (obviously not every season) as I feel that VoG makes this season feel a lot more alive.
Datto I am so glad u talked about no day 1 contest (normal) emblem me and my team did it day 1 but only had 3 hours left for challenge and we stopped due to being tired but still happy we did it having nothing to show for that was annoying. Keep up the content enjoying the more frequent vids.
At least your raid report is nice now with the (Day 1) thing
I don’t even really play this game anymore, watch every datto video though, my therapy
The enemies during Oracles are easy to spawn kill (at least on the right side) with Null Composure and/or a Machine Gun. Helps to keep that section relatively safe except from the hobgoblin snipers.
I absolutely love the remastered VoG. The new Gatekeeper encounter is one of my favorite encounters in the game’s history of raid encounters. Probably just behind Vault for best non-boss raid encounter. The Atheon changes make it one of my favorite boss encounters too. I’m so excited for Tuesdays now because I get to run this again. It does feel very similar, but it’s different enough to still be entertaining and challenging with how strong we’ve become.
I’m glad we agree that they should have put a contest emblem in there and then a challenge mode emblem too. It sucks that I spent so much time in there and I don’t really have anything to show for it. I think the people who beat Tempo’s Edge should definitely have something unique to show off. But people who put in the time to at least get the contest clear should have something too.
This was my first day 1 raid, we made it to gatekeeper in about 6 hours. We called it there. the additional difficulty was actually fun, having to really focus up and play your life. I hope they make it an optional difficulty some day.
I got Vex Mythoclast on my first run ever of this raid. I enjoyed doing my raid for the first time and easy to say that my team stopped talking to me for a day or 2 :)
Even though my team didn't clear day one because we stopped at templar but I feel like the difficulty was fitting but because my friends had never attempted a day one at that point they weren't prepared but we still like it a lot!.
Oh? Will this be the first video in a while where my boy doesn't scream?
Honestly, the 10 VoG Sherpas emblem should have been a day 1 emblem. It’s looks far better than the raid emblem and the challenge emblem
Exactly
It's super fun now. I've been on a team that has completed VoG every day all weekend. Still haven't got Vex Myth yet though.
The reason why people didn't really participate in day 1 of VOG was because the lfg was asking for people that had some basic idea of VOG from d1. I myself have only recently gotten my first clear and still having a hard time finding a lfg that will help do another.
All of the fond memories for nilla wafers d1. 🥰 miss my atheon’s ep. the purple spike of death.
I'd be pretty interested to see your thoughts on modernising older raids to keep them current, it's an interesting thought exercise if nothing else.
DATTO SAID ENEMY DENSITY I JUST PISSED MY PANTS!!!!
I'm pretty sure in the last fight that if the relic holder doesn't hold the block down it dramatically decreases your ability regen, but that might just be me. Also relic is super buggy where the relic holder will still see themselves blocking but on everyone else's screen they won't be and will still be damagable and any marked people won't be cleansed.
My Group and I tried Day 1. We got to Templar, got stuck, and then gave up unfortunately. All in all, it was a good run and a fun time
I wish they'd remix more content considering we replay it constantly. Basically all of the older D2 strikes could have their enemy counts doubled or more plus throw some more packs into the long running sections.
Trying to do this with new players that didn't have any mods or effective DPS (like we pinged the entire Discord on Boss Spec days afterwards) was hilariously tough. A couple of us would do a few million damage and we'd still hit enrage on Templar.
It might be nice if they made challenge mode like Iron Banner, bring it back once in a while. It would give people a way to gauge their progress. Also, they could make old raids relevant by adding challenge modes rotating through those.
really loved the video idea you teased at the end 👀
OG D1 player. Started playing D2 when it became free and grabbed forsaken never did the raid. stopped playing. Grabbed shadow keep but stop playing again. Now I’m fully immersed into it and just bought beyond light. Most of my friends started playing and we all got a decent light lvl. We tried VOG But hot stuck on Templar Oracle part. Even though they told me it was in a order i still shot on sight due to remembering from d1 to shoot without any order. My friends (all of em playing) SWORE UP AND DOWN That it was “ ALWAYS THIS WAY IN D1” that way even in D1.
Shit made me feel dumb and crazy when in fact i was totally right! Thank you datto! Now all they can say i shot the oracle in the wrong order
As a solo player, I thought I would never be able to complete a raid. But it’s honestly so beginner friendly and I encourage other solo players to hop on an lfg and give it a try.
been watching datto since just before game release when bungie announced him as a main content creator. so weird to see this come back full circle pretty much, i remember destiny releasing when i started high school, now im 21 and im seeing datto talk about vog again
Exact same except I’m 20 now lol. So weird isn’t it
"Just a remnant of its time" - I see what you did there ;) Great vid as always! It's my fav raid of all raids - and love what they've done with it. Contest mode adds that extra flavor on top of all of this to make it even better!