#TRADWIVES
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- Опубліковано 22 тра 2024
- What is a woman’s role in 2020? Try asking the Tradwives - women who believe they should be looking after the home, and be submissive to their husbands. Is there anything wrong with that?
Guests:
Stephanie Spencer
Professor of History
Shola Mos-Shogbamimu
Women's Rights Activist
Angela Neustatter
Author, ‘A Home for the Heart’
Alena Petitt
Founder, The Darling Academy
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I just want to be a housewife and homemaker. That's my dream. I wanna have a homestead farm actually.
thats fine. just don't give up your power and autonomy to a husband. Or anyone for that matter.
I grew up on a farm
@@taifarms1105 you will end up alone with this mjndset
Goals! I admire people that homestead so much.
@@taifarms1105you’re dumb
Alena and others like her who run blogs and channels like her’s are simply offering support and motivation for people who are already like her. She’s never promoted subservience, she simply is just providing an outlet and community for fellow SAHWs to feel supported and valued.
As a SAHW myself I constantly get eyes rolled at me when people find out I stay home and I get shamed for it. Alena is just trying to say “please stop with the shaming, we have value too!”
Also, you can like the aesthetics and positive things of a past decade all the while disavowing the negative.
So true. It's refreshing to hear her opinions and those of others like her.
I'm really sorry to hear that you get shamed for your choice. I think it is a choice to be admired the same way we admire other jobs.
If it is any consolation I also get the eye roll a lot. Just not for being a traditional wife but for being the opposite, not wanting a relationship/marriage and kids.
I hope we can all just stop criticizing our choices if they don't fit our own form of happiness.
@BTIsaac staying true to yourself even so people tell you, you shouldn't. I consider this to be admirable. As long as it is their decision.
As a man, this is what a strong and independent woman looks like!!!! 💪💪💪
I find it so odd that you get 'shamed'. I'm a nurse in my 50s, most of my working friends eye up women who don't have a job outside the home with some envy!
What's so amazing about 2020 is choice, women and men can choose what kind of lifestyle they want to live in. Women can choose to be independent and work, while others can choose to be a housewife
If that were true then why are we having this debate? Feminists seem to want women to be free to do what feminism wants them to do. There's no one as misogynist as a feminist that just met a woman who disagrees with her.
@Wren Linnet you have no idea how much work it is to keep a house clean, cook, do laundry, garden, do self care and styling. Especially with several children. Housewives are just as important work wise as the breadwinner.
@Wren Linnet You clearly have no idea what is to be a Homemaker. Taking of your home, homeschooling kids. We are busy 24/7.
@@Potacintvervs yes, it's exhausting work, I work part-time as a realtor and that's a breeze by comparison. Being a stay at home mom is very taxing, very physical and I rarely sit down or get a lunch break🤣
@@Potacintvervsthey’re definitely important, but not as important as the provider of the house man or woman.
Without thee provider, everything FALLS apart. One can PAY someone to be a home caretaker, one CANNOT pay someone to be a provider (home, food, transportation, etc.) lol.
For trad wife's, their husbands put them first, and love it. This was not highlighted. The relationship is based on sacrifice and responsibility by both parties. The man gives up most of his income and time to deliver this lifestyle. It is true teamwork. It going to be nearly impossible to live like this going forward unless you have a vocation.
It is actually freeing to be a housewife. It's freeing in so many ways. I am so thankful to ladies like Elena
It was not very freeing to my grandmother who was married to an abusive, alcoholic man. She was economically dependent on him and she had a hard time getting back on her feet.
The only difference between the 1950s and 2020 is technology making things easier and more comfortable for housewives.
And women can be happy. my mom is a Tradwife, but she’s the happiest woman I’ve seen, and she and my dad have been married for 25+ years, and they still have a strong relationship, where as feminists, especially the 4th wave ones have their relationship fall apart quickly, due to poor management and the lack of women knowing what they want as a role. In a relationship with a Tradwife, there would be equal labor. Men are in charge when it comes to household matters, women are in charge when it comes to managing the house. It’s equal but different work.
@@apollo268 We've reached the 4th wave? Dear lord, after the crap show that was 3rd wave, what entails 4th wave feminism?
Except most women aren't housewives anymore compared to then...
@@christiangamer1752 They are housewives just as much now as then...all the chores still get done...the difference if they are both fulltime housewives doing the domestic chores and working part or full time, so 2 jobs, not one. On the flip side, often men work more paid hours as their partners work less paid hours but still do the vast majority of domestic chores and duties, and due to the additional paid work hours chip in a smaller number of hours on the domestic unpaid side. The only issue here is when the unpaid work for the home and family is not considered equal in its life value to the family.
@@shelleyphilcox4743 A lot of couples share chores.
Why does looking after your own home have to be synonymous with being subservient?
The best statement/question.
submissive wife happy life
Alena made a very important point before she got shouted down. Housewives in modern media ARE depicted as "miserable, depressed, and their home is a prison". Being a mother and a housewife used to be ideal, and women in those roles were venerated. Now they are seen as having a lesser calling at best and gold diggers and sellouts at worst. Far above them is the woman who works in a cubicle all day and hardly ever sees her kids.
The golddigger is more valued than the housewife.
I have been a stay at home mom for the past year, my husband takes care of me, and I take care of him. He brings the money, I pay the bills and manage finances, I cook every meal, I spend more time with my husband, we laugh more, we do more things together, it's so much better for our relationship and marriage. We feel blessed to be able to financially afford to be a stay at home wife. I am the boss of the house, not sure why are they talking about submission. My husband makes the money, BUT I give him cash if he needs it. :)
“Submission” is the theory but usually not the reality. Women are in charge and always have been. And by the way - the more affluent people are the more likely the woman is to be privileged to the point where it’s actually almost ridiculous. A maid, a nanny, vacations, dinners in restaurants, designer this and that. Of course - there’s risk involved - husband might want a divorce one day and he may realize (though unlikely) he’s being objectified as a trust fund. But most things in life involve risk.
You, your children and husband are truly blessed!!!
I wish!!! From a “successful” woman....that would choose my family if I could do it again.
It’s hard work!!!
And that's why the divorce rate is so high. Women want to compete against their husband.
I believe there is nothing wrong with a women being a housewife. I do what is right by my family and not follow society
A family is not about competing against one another but about complementing one another. And with men being breadwinner (yes as a man I have no problem with that responsibility), and women being the home nurturer is the best way of complimenting life that has proven through test of time. The fact is beyond a certain amount the value that a woman brings in as an extra wage has actually negative margin utility, because it is not natural for them, and they often become frustrated with it. Too bad most women are brainwashed by the left and are more focussed on what they get from the husband than from a family setup (happiness), which has lead to most men just abandoning marriage (just in 2 generations this experiment has failed).
I'm not competing against my husband by going to work. We're providing for our family.
It's generally women who initiate divorce.
no no...😂 it's because previously women were bought and sold like property so why would the property walk away even if it's badly used. who would take a second hand used property? it was never about competition darling
Taking care of a household is A LOT of work. People actually train to do it as a job But in the form of multiple roles, nanny and sometimes a housekeeper. Yet a wife takes care of all of that plus some, actually plus a whole lot more
"I'm a better mother for being a career woman." Only your children will be the judge of that.
Career women have no children. By children you mean their documents they submitted to their boss by 5 pm each day.
@@bronzebuilder2115 that's not true some do and some don't
when i work i am not depressed and we can afford a car and school supplies and sports and outings and music . so i judge that
To be a true feminist, you shouldn’t put women down for whatever choice they make. Whether they choose to be a SAHM or a career woman they are both as equally valued as the other. Stop shamming us for choosing to be a SAHM
Even within the feminist circle there are disagreements.
they are shaming you because they are finding out or will find out is that the highly desirable men that have the means to enable this 9/10 want SAHW.
The men that do not have the means to enable it *wish* they had the means to enable this
no one is shaming you for this. you just cant claim to be a feminist when your ideology boils down to: 'i am a SAHM because i am a woman and therefore it is my natural state'
Who are these women putting trad wives down? I've never met one.
I am a traditional homemaker. I chose this. This is what makes me happy. Because I am a feminist I think all women should choose what makes them happy.
The true meaning of feminism❤
I love traditional gender role. The housewife putting her husband first. The husband putting his wife and kids first. Simply looking after another.
Nowadays people think about themselves nobody even get married anymore.
My husband only has highschool education and we do just fine 🤷🏻♀️ you don't need to be highly educated to have a career that supports a family.
My husband is a truck driver and we do just fine.
I agree.
@@melindaroop1346 right? Mine trims trees and we have 2 kids and a baby on the way and I still can stay home. I make some money cleaning for people here and there or by selling goods I've crafted but his income is our main source.
What's funny to me is you can go to college and graduate and still not make much money at all. It's unfortunate schools lead us to believe that college is the most important thing when it comes to getting a good career.
@BTIsaac he has his highschool Diploma and went to a trade school. He's also literally the guy turning your power back on when a storm knocks it out and he's done electrical work since he was 24. He knows more about trees and plants then you could ever hope to. I'd hardly call him uneducated. You're the one who sounds like an uneducated moron right now. Making a judgement call on someone's intelligence based on whether or not they went to college is extremely foolish. Have a nice life.
@Wren Linnet I think it's perfectly fine to work if you need to or want to. I don't believe I'm any more blessed than other average Americans my age. I used to work a full time job at the same time he did. I actually used to work construction. I tore my leg up pretty bad falling and couldn't work anymore, lost my career and felt useless. I know perfectly well how quickly a situation can change. Had to wait 2 years to get the surgery for my leg that still didn't allow me to do the work I used to. I started working in retail management while I waited and loved it as well but there's no way we could have a family the way we wanted to while we both worked crazy schedules. I got sick for a long time and at one point and we moved to a more affordable town and we agreed maybe I should stay home for now. Then our kids moved in(long story but they are family friends who needed help) and then we got pregnant. If something happened and he got hurt or ill or anything, obviously I could get a job. He's lost jobs before and I had to work 2 jobs. Crap happens. like I previously stated, I'm not home all the time, I still have "odd jobs" it's just all under the table work. I clean for elderly people I know, walk their dogs, go on grocery runs for them. I also do light remodeling for people, caulking, trim, painting... The surface stuff, can't do anything too hard on my leg. I also get to volunteer a bunch for the school. We are just more stable now and we live in a place that either of us could afford on one salary. If I got back into what I was doing before I could also easily pay our bills. We've learned to manage our money very well now. We actually planned a trip to Vegas but had to cancel because of covid. Was a super bummer because it was the first time we felt like we had the ability to take a vacation between having our kids and schedules etc. Sorry for the book but what I'm trying to say is im hardly home all the time and I hardly feel useless. Some people live differently from others and that's okay
Submission doesn’t mean mind control or not having your own thoughts
Most people think submission means bsdm
I am a CEO of my HOUSE: housewife, homemaker, SAHM, CARER, teacher, nurse, chef, accountant, etc…
It’s not fair making a debate 3:1 where the 3 will barely let the 1 talk ffs
I grew up in the 50's and 60's, the rule of stay home moms! I wouldn't trade my childhood for any other! All the moms on our street were traditional wives. It was awesome, couldn't have been better. We weren't rich, we all had small homes with one car, one phone, one tv. That's how my father could afford a family. Best times ever!
I am a homemaker housewife! In my opinion we DONT NEED MOVEMENTS any more. Choose what you like as far as you're not an extremist. As far as you praise God with your lifestyle and you offer a healthy strong family or even your own self to society!!! You can be a working woman and have the time to be a homemaker too depending your country the job you do ECT. I am a full time homemaker but once in a while I am also a part time babysitter 😊
I think this young woman is feeding on it being a controversial movement to make an income from it.
When my kids were little; I stayed home and ran a daycare out of my home. My littles are now grown, and I now teach school. Good is great. Be blessed.
To be vulnerable is to be genuinely loved.
Honestly, I'm as feminist as they come and I have no problem at all with women who want to 'submit'. What bothers me is when they start pretending as if the rest of us are somehow morally depraved for fighting the Patriarchy. Just because it fits your worldview doesn't mean it doesn't screw up my life and society. So you do you girl! But you bet If your husbands walk into work with the same attitude they have with you, us 'feminists' won't be as...erm... Nice.
Thank you🤦🏽♀️
Three feminists vs one traditional woman... seems fair. They really didn’t like her lifestyle no matter how much they pretended to “accept” it as a feminist choice. I agree women should have whatever option they choose, but women are not naturally aggressive or argumentative. Think about men on a battlefield, they have blood pumping through their veins and are intense. Women don’t have that, and while women can be just as successful as men in any job they choose, doesn’t mean they’re going to be happy working a 9-5 when they could be taking care of their children.
In regards to the relationship between men and women, men are natural leaders regardless if feminists want to agree with that. As a very strong willed woman, I had trouble finding a man I found attractive because I realized the men that submitted to me, were less attractive. I finally found a man who was actually “dominant” in our relationship and didn’t let me walk all over him, and I am happier for it. My boyfriend likes to say (in the best way possible so take this very lightheartedly), a woman just needs to get grabbed by her neck from her man. And what he means by that isn’t that he’s abusing her or commanding her but that he has control, and the woman can just release her tension so that she can be free and relax. I mean... think about the sexy man from a woman’s novel. He isn’t a nerdy submissive man but a hunk of a guy that can take you in his arms and let you feel like a woman. and I think that’s what every woman wants.
I'm not used to reading so much common sense in one thread.
These ideas have survived millennia because they work, and we are biologically wired accordingly.
Feminism is an evolutionary dead end. Guaranteed decay in birth rate, guaranteed decline in marriage rate, guaranteed increase in dysfunctional children.
The west is in decline and everybody knows it.
The future belongs to societies that value family and traditional roles.
@@renatocarini497 that’s why China is such a threat! They’re even encouraging boys to be MORE manly, while the men in our country are encouraged to cry, whine, and be women.
@@Charcharrashelltywuiw and yet America continues in the opposite direction.
In a race to the bottom, it's America, Great Britain and Australia leading the way.
Here in Australia, we are trying to popularise transgender lifestyles. Conversion therapies are about to be funded by tax payers.
There is madness everywhere, with no end in sight.
@@renatocarini497 oh wow really?? Well in some states here in America we’re not far behind on that front. Luckily I’m in Texas where we still have some control over our state from the liberals.
But yes, it’s madness! Those countries you said and more so in Europe. While Japan, China, Iran, other middle eastern countries, now even North Korea are just laughing at the fall of western civilization.
I was hoping Australia or New Zealand, being an island far away from the west, would be able to retain some sanity. That’s unfortunate
@@renatocarini497 Not to mention obesity pandemic, drug pandemic etc etc. We never had these issues before, because traditional women actually cared about the health of the family. Costs of those pandemics? More government, more taxes, more power for feminists, with negative gains for the society in terms of health costs, unhappiness, and no politeness (which children learned at home from the women).
Submission does not mean oppresion
If that is the case, why don't men submit to women, who are largely more ethical, compassionate and wise people?
it definitely isn't equality.
@@vb2806 Facts , and just think about it ! Submission indirectly means you are INFERIORr to whoever you chose to submit to . I cringe at the amount of people who deny that and who structure it's definition to fit their opinion
@@taifarms1105 exactly
@@taifarms1105 thank you 💅🏽
You CAN feel fulfilled caring for your home and family though…and that’s it. It is OKAY to have a man of quality to spoil and take care of also. PERIOD.
That conversation went no where. Did she even get to define what "submit" meant to her? The term they all found so offensive? She mentioned there was a Christian idea of it, then got interrupted.
> put it simply, I think it means who wears the trousers. who has the steering wheel. who is the boss, who is the King and who is his Vizier, who gets the final word.
@@imac786 I didn't mean that I didn't understand. I meant that they all freaked out about one word, but didn't let her talk about it.
@@ebatdorf9991 yes quite so however I would add she herself was little hesitant to talk about it - not her fault - since her stance is perceived to be somewhat against the prevailing orthodoxy. However the Point where all views converge, is I think accepting that one human being can by free will and choice happily accept to be submissive and subservient to another, and that, as long as a choice exists for that person to break free of such arrangement at any time without compulsions with help from Society and State readily available, there is no contrast at all with the core ideas of the feminist movement (a women free to chose a life she wants). Feminists have for a long time enjoyed the other side of it - using toy boy donkey husbands :o
@BTIsaac Haha! Yes, let's ditch husbands and go be slaves to our bosses! Who can fire us, whenever they want, place demands so high, we work extra (without pay), and, in my case, they can repeatedly mock us and punish us for feeling unsafe in our work environments! Haha, no thank you! I enjoy the chances I have to serve my boyfriend and look forward to doing it, full time! I make him food and he gives me wine and snuggles. Sounds like a good deal! 😄
@BTIsaac I love how in my ideal world, there's food, wine, and snuggles and in your ideal world, the government is in complete control and everyone is the same.
If men were honest they would say the pressure of being the sole provider is overwhelming and often leads to resentmnet. People forget about the amount of domestic abuse that occurred when women stayed home.
men work 2 jobs and never see the children and are ill due t it
Nothing wrong with choosing to be a home maker, 'let the man do the job of being breadwinner'...but these trad-wives can AFFORD to do that and this makes all the difference! Not every woman is with a male partner who makes enough money for her to stay at home. So, being a trad wife is an economic privilege. Also, what happens if the marriage breaks down and the wife has no means to support herself? By all means, be a trad wife but make sure you think through what could happen.
That's what alimony / child support is for.
In my country/religion, the husband has to provide the kids whatever they need, by law
@@SpookeyClown No way... Raising your kid on child support is a terrible decision. It barely covers anything and sends out a terrible message to a growing child.
I can answer that for you because this is my lifestyle.
You need to live to your means. If your husband doesn't earn enough to run the home at it's essentials level then you obviously need more than 1 income.
If you are living beyond your means, wasting your money, keeping up with the Jones' and make dumb money decisions then you need to change your lifestyle when the wife decides to stay home. That is just common sense! You shouldn't waste your money anyway!
If he was to die or they divorce or whatever happens and she is left with no money to support her children then yes, of course she would go out to work. No decent mother would let her children starve to death.
I honestly never thought there would be a single person who didn't understand this stuff.
This is how me and my husband do things as well, we are actually technically “lower class” but are very financially frugal and carefully budget our finances. Both of us are happy and comfortable.
Yes, we have to respect other's choices. However, we really need to talk about the possible long term consequences of those choices, so people can make an _informed_ choice.
Exactly! I'm cool with these adult women choosing for themselves. But how do they raise their daughters... Their sons. Are they enablers of something far darker?
Cause I know more than one large scale movement where they tried this, and it ended up being a way for pervs to abuse young girls who were raised by their mothers to 'submit'.
I have fond memories of my grandmother and mother in the 1950s, and 1960s. They were creative hard workers providing wonderful home life for us. I remember my grandmothers huge garden, to provide for the table. She would also go to the pond (she called it the tank to catch catfish to cook for us. My mother worked sometimes out of the home as a teacher, but she cooked and cleaned our home to make it a wonderful place to grow up in.
I'm with the tradwives. They have the right idea, they seem happier and healthier, and it's awesome that they're so unapologetic about it.
The key message I got is that they are doing what makes them happy and not pressuring other people to act like that. Let people have their relationships how they like. If it was reversed and this was men it would be endeering.
I’m going to do whatever I want and prioritize my family over work. I find no gratification with submitting to and taking orders at work. My energy is better spent at home. Whoever does not like it, it does not matter. That is not my issue. I’m content with life and my choices.
I love being at home, gardening, cleaning, cooking, making a fire, and all the things. But the idea of submitting to a man because that is what makes him comfortable or happy is simply admitting that your man is too emotionally underdeveloped to be comfortable with shared power. If you or your man insist on domination and submission games, try growing up and see how happy it makes God to know that his creation is capable of expanding love, respect, honor and justice.
If a feminist considers that another woman's choice is against feminism... she definitely should rethink her beliefs
Well said.
Housewives are absolutely not valued by society. They are seen as lazy moochers even though they work very hard. I was a child of the 90s. I saw the way my mom was treated for staying home. I was put down in girl scouts on career day for dressing up like a stay at home mom. I was put down in women's history class in college for admitting to wanting to be a stay at home mom. I was accused of setting women back and voluntarily enslaving myself to a man. Funny enough, the professor started the semester by saying "this is not man-hating 101." It immediate turned into a man-hating class after that. I was rejected a lot in the dating field for "having no ambition" because I wanted to be a stay at home mom. Now that I am married and stay home with our 3 children and cook and clean and do all the shopping and budgeting and child care and am pregnant with my 4th baby, I get to deal with the in-laws asking my husband why he hasn't put me to work yet and asking me when I'm gonna be done having kids. They weren't very happy when I got pregnant with the third baby. My husband has had to keep his family at a distance and just tell them he isn't talking about it anymore. My story is not unique or rare. So no, homemakers are not valued or respected. They are attacked and treated worse than the 30 year old in mom's basement. Thank God for the tradwife movement. And for anyone who wants to say "but women were so depressed in the 50s," just look at the depression rates of women today. Women of the 50s could never have fathomed the kind of misery that is rampant today.
You thing running a home and family is not a full time job? Try it for a year and then let me know what you think.
@btisaac I'm going to assume you're just ignorant and that you're not familiar with the concept of alimony. The institution of marriage already has safeguards in place to protect stay-at-home wives.
@BTIsaac Hilarious. I will extend an olive branch here though. There is a chance you're just playing devil's advocate in an attempt to show how misguided the op's statement is if it were followed to its logical conclusion (FWIW I think you're taking things too literally if that's true). In that case then forgive me.
@BTIsaac I'm the moron? Gtfoh. Of course it's an acceptable lifestyle if it's her choice. What you proposed would reduce marriage to nothing more than legalized prostitution. And you never addressed the fact that there are already legal protections put in place to safeguard these women.
@Wren Linnet You are single and you don't have a family. That's why you think it is so easy.
No it's not!
quit your BS.
Well I tried to not be submitted to my ex and I turned into a fiasco. I didn’t /couldnt respect him at the end. I took the lead and it’s nothing good
my thing is this is a fight between two type of women feminist vs tradwives, men is here to choice which kind of women he values more, no doubt most men will agree that tradwives have more value
@Wren Linnet I love you!!
@Wren Linnet i want to take care of her. Not like u
Is that even a question. The value of money that modern women bring and the cost of constant fights, power battles, and a hotel room like home has very little value for men. Why? Because men can anyway live like that. What men cannot do is create a loving home - this is why traditional wife have far more value. Not to mention in 2020, if a woman choses to do that it is obvious she can think on her own and isn't controlled by extreme left propaganda. Sure the money goes less, however not having to pay for all the needless services - daycare, cleaning, etc makes your money actually go much farther and brings in far more hapiness. Ever realized the obesity pandemic in the West coincided with the collapse of traditional women culture. Why? Because they would never let a family eat unhealthy junk. It's not a paid job as in instant gratification, but a job that has long term payoff. The modern society is just too blind to see it.
bull men want a woman who makes 100 thousand a year and travels and cooks
Most sexist men.
I working on being a submissive wife. It’s important to me to please my husband. I want to do it because I know that it’s God’s will for husbands and wives. My husband pays all the bills, and when there’s money left, he shares it with me. He buys me gifts for me just because. So, I feel it’s my job to try to please him. To do special things for him. I am not afraid are ashamed to be submissive to my boo. 😘
This is that things
Which make a woman a woman. And you should proud of that because god want to you to do what you are doing.
Two management drive the home safely
1. The management outside of house.
2. The management inside of house.
The requirement of management outside of house is only for the economic,political,and social respects which directly linked to inside of house.
I have much to say but ........
How it is not a best career for a woman to raised thier child with moral and wisdom and primary education and one the important thing motherly love.
Do whatever you are doing and incourage woman near you to not trapp in faminist like campaign which suck happyness from your soul.
Thank you
@Wren Linnet you have to be submissive not to make a man happy but live with man happily.
These days Man want the woman to be independent because they don't want to spend his beloved money on his wife his sister and his daughter.
@Wren Linnet off course he leave or unless he cheated you for younger woman. If you are submissive then he does not leave you .and offcourse education is important thing for woman , learn skills who has stopped you for doing this.
The funny thing is, even if women worked, they'll still be submissive to someone and its most likely to be another man!
@Wren Linnet
"Men die, they cheat, they leave you for younger/healthier women"
I think this is a very sad and cynical point of view. Granted, I subscribe to cynacism myself, and have from time to time said the same thing about women. But going into a relationship with that kind of mindset just seems like you're already setting it up for failure, and it sort of becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Some people do cheat and leave you for younger/healthier partners, but if you really are getting married then establish trust beforehand. If you can't, then it's not a good idea to get together with this person. I also think that framing homemaking as something that is somehow less than a job, or not on equal footing to a career is in unfortunate. Even Roseanne made it a point that your work in a home is an important job, and a hard one. Not something mindless or not worth pursuing. And she was a feminist. We shouldn't devalue it because it is something noble. No less valuable than what someone does outside of the home.
I was a single mom for a very long time and I hated that I had to spend so much time with my kids pretty much on auto pilot when not in school. Not to mention my oldest got in a lot of trouble because no one was there to keep an eye on what he was doing. I have since remarried to a traditional man that would PREFER I be at home, but supports my choice either way. My kids are grown now, and I work, but we have decided to live off my husbands income and save mine to buy a house outright so no mortgage to worry about. After that is done, I may go down to part time, and just use my income for things like savings, vacations, car replacement etc. I just can't really see going completely at home now that my kids are grown. But eventually, once I have a great bumper in the bank, I plan to retire and be a housewife again. Must be noted that my husband is several years my junior and will be retiring right about the time I will need him to get around the house LOL So it works out perfect! I just hated the lack of security I felt not working in case I got where I HAD to work again. Hence, why I will keep it up till I at least own our home, so will worry less. Once I am back to being a housewife has already been discussed. My husband is terrible with finances, so I handle ALL the money. Big decisions for us, my husband and I discuss, but he makes the final decision. All household matters, he submits to me because that is my part of us.
Why is the women in yellow always interrupted. I would Love to Listen to her thoughts more longer.
What sucks is that you need a husband to do that... I am a single mom but i did find a way to make money and get to be home. Bc that's where I'm happiest.
What's wrong of having husband?
@@uusa I think Liza’s point was that without a husband there isn’t another person supporting your choice to stay at home and be a tradwife, not that having a husband is bad. Kudos to her for being able to organise her life to be at home for her children as well as being the income earner. It’s not easy being a single parent.
@@christine6234 I see
what scuks is that your children do not have a father figure on a daily basis
@@christine6234 yes. Thank you for explaining. Lol 😊
The one dude in the room has a look in his eyes like "Tradwives sound like a dream. But I'll get in so much trouble for saying anything."
Feminists would rather pull their teeth out than "submit" to the man they claim to love with all their heart.
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A man can not feel love for a woman.
Why should women have to submit? Because the Buybull says so? It also says to kill "witches" and supports slavery.
It's a free world. Any woman (or man) can choose what to do, just "live and let live". I don't know how that is so hard to do for people nowadays
What are you talking about. Nothing is free. Everything is getting expensive.
@@bronzebuilder2115 Mate... I mean you are free to make decisions. lol no way that went over your head that badly
Women have been in the work field for centuries, it just became more acceptable in the 40's, but they have also been at home caring for the family. They have had a choice since the end of WW2, sometimes they didn't. But for the most part they did have a choice.
That's a true hero in pink right there; the closest thing today to the positively rebelious early feminists, if that ever existed.
"The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world"!
Opting out of Capitalism. Capitalism is the problem, not feminism. Feminism is also pushing back on Capitalism.
So this is the role model they are holding up to their kids?
That a woman is valued only as a Hausfrau?
No need to waste time at university?
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Couldn’t agree more working in the areas you are best in abs that’s ok and I agree as well women deserve to choose and be respected
Dose anyone hear know of a trad people soical group in Australia for single people? I wish one exist because I got a lot to bring to the table.
Start one!
I'm a traditional Australian wife. We exist! :-)
@@cassandra5516 Thats ok. I found my girl 4 months ago.
@@shaunfrick2043 Woohoo! Nice work ;-)
I know this equals happiness for both woman and man
Living traditional life is not against feminism as long as this is a choice. Some women want to stay at home with kids, others want to be working moms whereas others want no kids. We all should life our lives and let others do the same. I am thankful feminists for the privilege to get job to pay my bills and live without husband and kids. I am not claiming everyone should made my choices but for me no kids is blessing. For other women homeschooling kids can be blessing. All is fine as long as we are deciding.
I want to be a tradwife too but my husband wants me to work and earn money as well along with the housework
I think that is what I find frustrating about this woman’s stance. She is in a position of privilege, being able to make her own choice about her life. Not everyone has that.
He can help with the housework if you help earn money.
I have nothing against being a housewife, i just don't why being "submissive" is necessary.
it comes down to what people want in their relationship. I wanted a submissive wife and that’s what I married. I make it clear upfront if you do not want to be submissive, then don’t date me and don't marry me. It’s not force it’s about choice. It's the feminist who don’t want women to have choice.
Deference is not subservience. There is no such thing as a democracy of two. There is no one to break a tie vote and argument and divorce is inevitable if you believe in absolute equality in all things. Someone has to be a little more equal for a marriage to work.
Someone should ask the tradwife how much she makes on UA-cam compared with her husband's salary, and compared to the average woman
My parents were born in 1947. I was born in 1989. It has been very difficult for us to relate over the years
Let the woman on the screen talk!! The women around the table insist on cutting in!! The presenter had to plead with the women around the table to allow him to talk to the lady on the screen!! Such male energy from these women.
The government: “we support women’s rights and liberation from the patriarchy”
Tradwives: *exist*
Government: NO! Get back to work and keep giving us that income tax slave!
I actually hate this new term Trad wife, and the old term, housewife. I'm not married to my house.
I love this movement!!!!
I want this. I get shamed for it and called a gold digger even though I'm don't go only date rich men. It's disgusting how petty people are.
Most men don't want a independent woman...
That's your sexism talking. What if the husband dies? What happens to the wife and kids if she can't be independent?
"Bringing Values and Ideas into the home ... that you otherwise would not be exposed too"❗ WHAT values and WHAT ideas do you ever want from a CHAOTIC, BITTER, NARCISSISTIC, VIOLENT world, full of SELF-PITY❓ If you, as a WORK AT HOME MOM, want those burdens in your life, you just switch on the internet and indulge in it❗😟 A wise, adult, responsible woman does not expose herself and her children to all that evil❗ YOUR home is YOUR castle❗ And in YOUR castle YOU are the QUEEN❗ And YOU decide what is allowed inside YOUR castle❗ At home YOU and your husband - THE KING - are in control❗ Most families do not operate like that .... YET❗ Instead they operate in the CHAOS, STRESS and NON-STOP demands of the world❗
I wish I saw more women of color and other marginalized women in this conversation to get a wider perspective and a less white dominated perspective..
Submission means cooperation that's all. Not domination and women get what it means wrong.
How the fugg is Japan a diverse country???
wait until women find out that 9/10 this is what men prefer, especially the men that can enable it.
College educated men aren't marrying Walmart cashiers and turning them into tradwives. They are marrying college educated women who have careers.
Lady in red, instead of questioning if Alena encourages women to do volunteer work etc, look at yourself in the mirror.. do you do that??
And no one is going back because they choose the homemaker role.
Feminism is certainly that women should have right to choose whatever they want
Women shouldn't have to do it all.... most women only work because they need to pay a portion of the bills, pay the finance on the car and pay for childcare...sometimes because her husband thinks she's not contributing to the household.... he doesn't value what she does in the home.... I have a tip for women when having children.... when said children are born and he's making you go to work also... make it clear he does the school runs..he stays home on inset days ... he takes time off to care for them when they're poorly and he takes them to clubs etc after he gets off work... see if he changes his mind... and that's before the washing and the shopping and the cooking and the cleaning and the appointments...and the elderly parents ..and the swimming lessons... and and and and the women on this panel are at a point in their lives where young children are not at the heart of family life...their children are grown.. they took the maternity leave they needed and went back to their careers... I don't think a mum with 4 kids under 10 who's working 8 hours in a factory and handing all her wage over in childcare costs would feel the same... it should be a right to stay home and raise your kids
They don't even let her speak and explain herself, constantly interrupting 😂
Probably a good thing because she’s big on criticising how other women live when she gets going.
This is that things
Which make a woman a woman. And you should proud of that because god want to you to do what you are doing.
Two management drive the home safely
1. The management outside of house.
2. The management inside of house.
The requirement of management outside of house is only for the economic,political,and social respects which directly linked to inside of house.
I have much to say but ........
How it is not a best career for a woman to raised thier child with moral and wisdom and primary education and one the important thing motherly love.
Do whatever you are doing and incourage woman near you to not trapp in faminist like campaign which suck happyness from your soul.
Thank you
Shahjad Husain please stop with that propaganda. Not everyone believes in God. So please, just stop
Buybull 💩.
The lady in the pink top has said a number of times that housewives are not as valued and glamorised as they were were in the 1950's. Then one by one, the other ladies have denigrated the role themselves. essentially saying that the pride and responsibility of raising a well adjusted child did not fulfill them. Imagine how it feels for a child to be told that their mother was not fulfilled by raising them herself, and so she paid others to do it for her so she can spend time outside of her responsibilities simply to fulfill herself after she had CHOSEN to have a child. I make sure that i thank my mother for doing the opposite and taking pride in the way she raised the kids herself, which was incredibly hard for her & my dad. The theme here seems to be that they can't stick to any decision and take responsibility for it.
My stay at home mother wishes she never had children. Her mental health was problematic and the lifestyle being advocated here and sold as one of stable homes, baking and security is a Hollywood mirage.
People don’t really change through the eras and we are lucky to be living in an era of choices, which can include the choice to be a stay at home mum as many thousands of women do.
I think the lady who is a professor, while admitting it wasn’t for her, was just underlining that we are looking at a romantic lifestyle that only exists in pictures. The reality was very different for many.
women work from home today for their mental health or run a business with their husband and children together
The older woman in the blue sweater defends the feminist position and yet admits ( and feels guilt) that by having a career she neglected her son. Even as she argues her point, her conscience bothers her. Ask any person whose mother stayed at home to raise him/her whether or not they wished that their mother had instead worked and left the task of raising them to daycare workers. See how many say "Yes I wish my mom hadn't been there for us." Ask the kids whose mother don't stay home with them and see how many wish they would. These career women who farm out their mothering responsibilities to others rationalize their own self-centeredness. A thousand other people (men and women) can fill your position at the office. No one else can be the mother to your children.
my children told me to get a job. it gave me joy and radiated to them. we could buy supplies for school and real healthy food and go to school music classes and travel.. my children are so happy. they were under weight due to no food at home.
It’s so sad to hear women attacking Alena for her point of view, if they say women support women then why do they have to argue that what they are doing is far superior than what Alena’s housewife concept? Esp the lady in yellow, saying that she’s a good mother as well as a good career woman… it’s very dishonest to the audience, because we women know that we cannot have it all. Either you have a very good career or a very good family life.
And speaking of career, a history professor is just a job, it’s not a career. A career is not an easily replaced position by just other people, while a history professor is easily replaced if the university doesn’t find you in line with their image anymore. There I said it!
A wife can be very easily replaced with another too so I’m not really sure what your point is?
The Professor’s main argument was that the perfect era Alena is pushing a return to never existed.
if she doesn't submit to you and hasn't saved herself for you then she isn't wife material and will create a weak broken family and especially don't fall for the 30 year old feminist that says she want tradition and commitment now, she will have more baggage then a 747, women you cant have everything
cool and all but I'm living in a world where average people have to have 2 incomes for the household to survive. These aren't traditionally valued women, just a more sophisticated class of women who do not want to work.
lol she is fighting with herself who wants that>?
This subject simplified is easy and what the fourth wave feminist miss is this. Once you get married you become a husband or a wife the other aspects of your individuality disappears. Once you have children you become a mother and a father. You've made your choices as to how you want to live. It seems to me that these feminist today want it all and don't want to sacrifice any part of themselves. It's not logical or feasible.
The breadwinner is the family master/boss otherwise will have 2 earthly masters/bosses. Untenable.
Bull💩. We don't have a boss in my family.
.Terminology then As long as no one answers to more than one which can't work so is unfair.
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What are you talking about? A partnership doesn't require a boss.
the boss is whatever is agreed. again. Terminology. Ultimately we are each out own Master.
" I am a Christian too......" But if God tells her in the Bible that she is suppose to submit to her husband she has no intention of obeying that command. Jesus asked his professed followers: "Why do you call me Lord, Lord and not do what I say?" The answer is obvious: He isn't actually their Lord and master. They have simply deceived themselves.
It's too much, I currently work a very technical and demanding job and I'm about to get married and there is no way I could juggle this, a house and a family, I'm currently working 2000km away from my soon to be husband and its breaking me apart, I feel like a fish trying to climb a tree. These ridiculous feminists have literally made life harder for women not easier
Exactly
You have choices though. Discuss how you are feeling with your husband to be and come to a shared decision about your work.
@@christine6234 the distance is because of an employer that refuses to be accomadating and obligatory service so I'm leaving shortly
Feminists gave you freedom and opportunities. If you want to be a tradwife, feminists aren't stopping you.
Subservience can just be sacrifice. Something that seems to have left with religion. All fair partnerships have sacrifice. Like a CEO of an enterprise or captain of a ship so is the keeper of a home! i don't blame feminists for wanting to be valued in society - something neo-liberal policies give no value too. SO yes we support individuation for women in society now and that was needed really, but we haven't dealt with the fact that those jobs were not valueless. Women played a major role in the past.... and the jobs they did were soo important. Look what happens when we let capitalist organizations run our home choices.... the current food industry! 2 parents at work? It was needed but those capitalists are loving it! I would be a subservient home husband to a women who treated me with respect anyday! SO hopefully we can learn that lesson.
I was raised by a 50's mom. She was occasionally glamorous, but that was NOT what she cared about. She was intelligent enough to realize that a society that doesn't have a mother to nurture the children will end up like the society we have today. So, she may have even sacrificed her selfish desires to raise 10 children all of which she planned and wanted. She could kick every feminist's butt who has EVER lived, just on that fact alone! This "Trad" wife thing may even be a misguided fad, but hopefully it is a recognition of the same intelligence of my Mom. My wife is also a REAL wife who saves as much money taking care of our home and homestead as I have made my entire life. Women of fear become sad old maids...life don't lie!
A REAL wife???
Being a trad wife isn't submissive. This is false information. Don't be fooled. Research, read, and observe.
what the hell is "submissive"...LOL, Husband! make me a sandwich and do the dishes!
@D M dude, you don't know a single thing about me. Sounds like you try real hard to be an expert on women's desire. Nah, go back to yer videos games.
the african woman was very prideful.
too
'Housewife' married to a house???? You mean like a 'fishwife' is married to a fish?
What does 'wife' mean in English?
The original meaning of the phrase "wife" as simply "woman", unconnected with marriage or a husband/wife, is preserved in words such as "midwife", "goodwife", "fishwife" and "spaewife".
Suggest you check your etymology!
What's wrong with catering to your every husband's needs? You rely on him with the finances. He relies on you with the house work and taking care of his children. It's mutual. Nobody's superior.
Stares at computer screen 8 hours and takes calls from annoying people: look, I’m a girlboss! 🙄
i work in a nursing home witht the dying and my children help and love, i work at a library and my children help too. women work from home or run businesses with the husbands... a job is a good thing
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I submit to my priest, my parents, my elders and I'm in my 30s and my woman submits to me.
These feminists don't understand submission
Shola is awesome ! And clearly the submission she talked about isn’t the fun kind in consensual dom-sub or bdsm relationships
Submission does not mean oppresion
Mgtow!
Beto Ortiz stfu.
Incel.
Trying to create Gilead - no thanks