Why The TradWife Movement Will Fail | Mary Harrington
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- Опубліковано 20 вер 2024
- Chris and Mary Harrington discuss why the TradWife movement is destined to fail. Why doesn't Mary Harrington believe in standard gender roles? Why does Mary Harrington think TradWives aren't trad enough? What does Mary Harrington believe men really want from a TradWife?
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The current economics and economy are not set up to accommodate trad wives this has been decades in the making
If motherhood is a memetic desire then survival of human species is just a memetic desire. That means that survival of the species depends on species not to become conscious and ask themselves if procreation is only their memetic desire. If people are not able to distinct between their memetic desires and biological need for procreation we are on the path toward extinction.
I had a trad wife. It worked for 15 years 3 kids, one income, paid less for my house in 2013 than my annual salary. I was winning. Powell, Biden, Blackrock, The CCP, and fortune 500 F&CKED me. The wife is going back to work at 47.
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Yes and no. The current economy isn’t setup for trad wives, but I’d say no economy is setup to support traditional family values or lifestyles. You have Thomas Jefferson economics of small government and no big banks or private central bank and self reliance. Then you got Alexander Hamilton economics of private central banks and big government.
Up until 1971 a woman could choose to stay home. The sexual revolution and cia and drugs helped to change society sure and so did birth control. But in reality 1971 the U.S. declared bankruptcy. After that the government could steal purchasing power by printing money and stealing from workers even more. Because of this and more endless wars and big government and big Wall Street inflating away debt with the new fiat dollar many families had to have two workers in the family to maintain a similar lifestyle.
It’s not the economy though. It’s the monetary system and it is an important distinction. The monetary system or unit of account etc basically enables or stops theft through inflation. Massachusetts back in the 1600 created fiat currency to pay soldiers for helping raid and pirate against the neighboring French. The state literally paid for theft against the French. When they didn’t raid successfully against the French the government thought hmm. We have unpaid soldiers so let’s print paper funny money.
Read Murray Rothbard US monetary history or something. It’s on UA-cam and shows theft and corruption and insider trading goes way back even when the U.S. was just starting. Theft by bankers and politicians is more American than baseball or apple pie.
It's not a movement. It's a few blondes who figured out a different algorithm niche to get attention. Real trads don't have tiktok
This.
Good point
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Got to be said that it probably helped they were nice looking. If they were all munters no one would give a shit about their cooking.
Not only that, its idealist to go about making societal changes via individual choices. A more materialist approach would be to use policy to incentivize the desired choices by changing material conditions. This is a viewpoint that Mary brings to the table as a former leftist; Philosophical Materialism. I think the Right is held back by Philosophical Idealism; They place undue emphasis on extraordinary individuals, ideology, and choice, rather than material factors. Humanity didn't go through radical changes because people came up with ideas one day. Feudalism, Slave Empires, Primitive Communal Society, Republics, Federations, etc, these types of societal states didn't ebb and flow because people liked or disliked concepts.
"... everything you do, you do it for the team." THIS, right there is the underlying code that is missing in way too many modern relationships.
Exactly this.
along with 'we're in it for the long term.'
That's what has made my irl friendship work. We don't have that many shared interests, but we both gotta eat so we split cooking and cleaning plus the coet of groceries. I never would have stepped up my cooking game like I did if it was just me or I had a crappy roommate expecting me to do everything.
The reason it’s missing is because history shows if you work for the team you get burned most of the time. So people become more selfish and self centered. whats really missing is trust and frankly I don’t know if trust can be restored because it’s been destroyed . I know for a fact I can’t be a housewife for fear of working for nothing at the end of the day. If there was guarantee the other party will play their role faithfully maybe I would sacrifice. But there is no way to guarantee that so I bet on myself first before betting on anyone. I cannot be a housewife because it will most likely than not be under appreciated by someone who is improving themselves at your expense
@@tanyamilewski5700 valid, but why does divorce exist? It's risen in correlation to feminism. In the end, women want both protection and independence (I say this as a result of living years in developing countries where women are grasping this). If there's one truth in this life: You can't have your cake and eat it.
The trend will fail as a trend because it's just another thirst trap. Being a loving wife with traditional values isn't something you record for clout
@@Woanaz It think her point was that it WON'T work towards substantial reality. These women will just slot in a trad wife phase into their life, LARPing it up, and then they'll divorce their husbands at the same rate as everybody else.
interesting discourse!
@@Woanaz Friend you’re the one that doesn’t get. Yes the glamorization of the housewife can work to attract a crowd of women. However in the long run it will eventually backfire because trends like these tend lack substance. Most women are not as beautiful as Estee Williams. Most housewives don’t have time to perfectly do their make up and groom their hair so they can be camera ready, because they already have their hands full taking care of the kids and doing chores around the house. Most women who get sucked into the tradwife lifestyle via this type of content usually end up hating it later, because it’s not as glamorous as they thought it would be. Aesthetic based social trends are usually just that: trends. Sure a good amount of women will give the lifestyle a try, but a lot of them will fizzle out because it’s not the picture perfect reality that was sold to them.
If people want women to become more traditional, then there needs to be a radical shift in thought, as well of a change of heart. Glossing it up won’t work long term. There needs to be actual substance.
@@Woanaz But the women ain't traditional, the just like the tropes... and they like men who fulfil MEN's traditional duties. Of course that makes women happy. And when that happiness gets challenged by a seven year crisis or whatever? Then its' "I just feel like..." time.
@@Woanaz I'm not saying traditional marriage will fail. I'm saying this "trad wife" trend on TikTok will. My point was traditional marriage, or being a wife in a traditional marriage, is not an aesthetic. It's not just a lifestyle, it's your life. And I find a lot of these women posting on social media are doing it for attention the same way a girl posting gym pics does
Trad wife is not a trend. We’ve always been around. The trend is the fact that people are talking about it again. But since the vocation goes against the feminist narrative, it isn’t often depicted in modern television or movies. And when it is, it tends to be shown in a negative light. Something like 30% of wives are homemakers even today. Most of us are just busy, holding up tradition, caring for our families and minding our own business. But I think it’s great that there are women who are proud of what they do, and are outgoing enough to show it on camera. And for what it’s worth out of all the women I know, the homemakers tend to be the happiest. And more importantly have the most stable families.
Women report more happiness when they get to spend time with their children, and both men and women report greater relationship satisfaction when the man is the primary earner.
Like you said, there are probably a tonne of happy housewives and stay-at-home mums out there, they're just not particularly present on social media. At this point I'd be a little wary of entering into a relationship with a woman that was.
Feminists are not against women who stay home.. we are just warning y’all to be prepared should you need to be breadwinner of your family.
Exactly. I suggest we stop referring to traditional wives as "TradWives" and start referring to consumptive, unpeaceful modern feminist wives as "UnTradWives."
That 30% stat is misleading. That's only during a child's early years. Women usually go back to work once their youngest is independent. It's unbelievably idiotic to depend on a man for your retirement and get rewarded with eating cat food at the end of your life for working decades of unpaid labor. There's a reason why twice as many women as men retire in poverty.
The only thing is, women have not always stayed home. Before the industrial revolution, in agriculture most women worked.
Agreed, it will fail. When men say they want a wife with traditional values, we are not saying to dress up in a 1950's dress, listen to Buddy Holly, and bring the paper and slippers when we get off work. That is all meaningless window dressing. What we want is a woman with integrity, a set of morals, and who is willing to work as hard to fulfill her role as wife and mother as the man is willing to fulfill his role as husband and father.
Hi, grandpa
I love Buddy Holly
@@fionacarroll5562 As we all should
I'm with Buddy Holly too.
Now I got buddy holly stuck in my head 😂
I don't know how it became the trend that when a man say's he wants a tradwife, women get the idea in their head that they should dress and act like a woman from the 50-60's era or live some colonial lifestyle.
I think most men simply want a woman who prioritizes family over career and is a helpmate rather than a parasite in the relationship.
If women expect the men to earn and provide, all we ask is that you do the daily chores, i.e.. cook, clean, do laundry, organize the household & affection; which may seem like menial tasks but have great importance in maintaining a functioning household.
Again we're not asking for slaves but we don't want leeches either.
Yeah but the style goes hard too.
I’ve never known a woman who is a “leech”. It’s men who sit around playing x-box if they aren’t employed. Plus, you don’t really value all those menial tasks. If a divorce happens because he cheated, then suddenly she “did nothing” for all those years, and deserves no compensation.
@@ChickFenwick😂😂😂Liar.
@@metoonunyabidness1391Exactly, she’d have to intentionally be living under a rock
And yet you prioritize career over family. Funny.
"What works best for them"
We'd been told for decades that non-parental childcare was ok, but now we understand it to be deeply deleterious.
It's also insanely dishonest to try and take the tradwife argument and dial it back to its most extreme - aggrarian poverty.
Some progress is good. Not all progress is good.
Agreed. I found this woman to be daft, and explain that deftness with (pseudo)intellectualism.
Is tradwife and softgirl movements the same thing?
@@StrategyCats No, not at all. Being a tradwife seems like hard work, the softgirl movement is about relaxing
@@StrategyCats I don't think so. There's really no secret to the fact that the tradwife movement sees itself has fairly hardworking.
I think the broader view - family unit childcare - is quite functional. Grandparents, aunts, extended family can be highly capable support systems that propel the family unit forward. My point: it doesn't just need to be parents. Our move to the nuclear family was a mistake - it takes a village.
What's actually happening right now (and that the media seem reluctant to even discuss) is that a large portion of men are intentionally avoiding long-term relationships and marriage with women who lack traditional qualities. The popular narrative surrounding the "dating crisis" seems to be that women are rejecting a large percentage of men who do not meet women's high standards for attractiveness. This is indeed the case. However, the other side of the coin is that men are also turned off by modern women who are aggressive, contentious, disrespectful, egotistical and promiscuous, and men are now concluding that many women no longer qualify as wife material. It's reaching a point where men and women are no longer aligned in the relationship market.
Well said
Great comment!
Mostly due to unrealistic expectations of so-called modern women that wanted to have it all, but finally end up alone with cats. In the best case.
Bravo to all the above. ❤
A direct product of birth control technology and women entering and prioritizing workforce participation.
Im in my early twenties. I grew up in a community of what would be considered ”trad-wives.” All of my mom’s friends and my friends moms were SAHMs. All of them seemed happily married to middle class husbands and had multiple kids. To this day I have not seen any divorces among them. I just have to say that for those couples who are not performing, the traditional gender rolls work very well in my observations. This wasn’t a cult or a small town. I lived in a city and everyone largely went to different churches. These were just the families my family associated with. All traditional, happy families. That’s what I want to surround myself with kids with.
Good for you all!
You grew up rich
@@danielromerosol4158 many of us grew up with this in our lives, most of us were not rich during these times at all. Many of these families slowly became well-off during these times. To think only rich people can have this life is simply a lack of life experience because that's objectively false.
I think the association principle is strong here. People are definitely self-selecting like minded friend groups. I was saying something similar to where all my friends are in strong marriages, upwards of 20+ years. I only know a few people my peer level that are divorced.
Basically if all your friends are single and you want to be married, find new friends.
@@snakejazz The dad needs to earn or have a lot of money to have a stay at home wife/mother. You might not have to be rich in the sense of living in a mansion and driving a Ferrari but you need to be better off than most.
I think that a home with two parents, and nearby extended family, that is able to keep a stable home for the children, where each parent is actively engaged with the children is the optimal structure for raising children. This does include relatives being involved too, as this was the structure going back millenia.
We should, as a society, create incentives to benefit people who live this way, as the next generation will be less violent, have less mental illness, and have a stronger connection to community
We are lucky that today we have so much for so little labor and we need to appreciate this.
My grandparents were pulled from school in the 3rd grade to work the farm, or the whole family may starve in the harsh Canadian winter. It was not too long ago that children needed to work or were put out. We need to appreciate the advantage todays society is capable of providing.
So what? "Conservatives" keep on saying this, being opposed to guys using surrogacy and building robots to help with it. But how to make it viable to have one income? How to motivate women to marry men on their same level? How to cut down their privileges? Yeah, nothing.
It's not the pulling from school that's the issue, it's the child labour that's the issue. School isn't all that great on all fronts, including private schools. Parents being more at home and more involved in their children's development is the real valuable education, and it can happen on farmland as well, only as you said we are lucky to get a lot for little labor.
Society does not need to create incentives for people to do what is natural to them.
It is impossible for our current society to create incentives to do the things you describe because its great wealth is founded on the backs of a worker class that is productive because it does not live that way. Societal elites use mass media and government policy to create incentives to do things that are *un*natural, like move away from your family and live by yourself so that you can spend all of your time either working to produce wealth for someone else or spending the money you are given on meaningless consumption to produce wealth for someone else.
"What do you mean by 'women need to develop a strategy that isnt having it all'?"
To normal people thats called "maturing".
You don't have to 'legislate' for trad wives - you just have to make sure the option is available for those who want it. One mans pay should be enough for a house, car, wife, and kids.
Umm, decades of living beyond our means, printing money, and constant inflation has assured that we will have to work longer and harder to make ends meet. Thus the one wage earner per family has long since disappeared and will not return, wishful thinking notwithstanding.
Bottom line: we're all getting poorer, we're sinking deeper into debt, and we probably won't be able to retire, if truth be told.
I mean, there's a reason that the homeless population is growing!
@@leochen887 Ok, good points. Now you'll see an increase in faith and sense of community. That is always what happens when people are poor throughout history.
It would involve legislating the end of real estate speculators, good luck with that.
One man's average pay will NOT support a family of four in a First-World economy - it hasn't since the 1950s. You're delusional.
Disagree about the car. Cars are so inefficient, there is no reason a single person's pay should afford one - they just waste too much to be cheap to run. They trap you in debt. They are a necessity in some places, yet cannot be made affordable (without subsidies) because the model is broken.
Young people can’t afford to rent let alone buy family housing. We have fundamentally failed as a society.
My grandparents built a house working on it themselves and had to pay it off for another 20 years. They had to sell the family car. Now young people want to have a fancy car, expensive clothes and exotic vacations and then they complain that they cannot afford a house... 🤷♀️
Exactly, sir. My grandfather lived the American dream with one job working at a steel mill. Was able to afford a house, find a wonderful wife, and have a family. Just seems impossible nowadays.
No one I know my age has these things. We all work 50 hrs a week or more and barely get to buy a single video game to play during the time we are not working. Rent takes two or more weeks of work to afford. Get out of your delusion.@@One-Ring-To-Rule-Them-All
@@One-Ring-To-Rule-Them-All average age now to get a house is 36, highest ever
@@One-Ring-To-Rule-Them-All I'm sorry but making that kind of generalization is why people fail to understand how bad things are for the middle class and how unaffordable the housing market is. You can be making 120 grand and it still won't be enough to afford a house -from taxes, to healthcare, to insurances, to retirement accounts... Your grandparents got a house in a MUCH better economy and when the value was significantly lower. Not all young people live the way you say they live, as a matter of fact a very small percentage. Unfortunately that small percentage runs a lot of those trends make it seem commonplace
Stereotyping the tradwife as a woman who weaves and knits and sits awaiting her husband with a pipe and a hot meal is an obsfucation of what it means to be trad in this day and age. Its not a predefined set of activities but a mindset and a predisposition to live a moral and virtuous life, for both women and men.
Actually I think more women would prefer to stay at home with their children and be a traditional wife if they could afford to and they would feel more comfortable saying this publicly if they felt they wouldn’t be ridiculed by feminists!
My wife and I made the decision for her to stay home before our second child was born. It’s a lot of sacrifice socially and financially but the payment we’re receiving by having our children home with a parent is ten fold. Yes, it’s hard work and there are days my wife is absolutely exhausted but we know it’s a short term sacrifice for a long term gain.
Those early years are so precious and once they’re gone we can never get them back again! What a beautiful gift for a husband to give to his wife.
Many can afford it. They still want to work though so they can have leaving their man as a backup plan so they don’t stop working
I agree. If women were allowed to freely choose, instead of having a role imposed by ideology, most women would choose to stay home. The return of trad is a spontaneous phenomenon. The current social order imposed by feminism is clearly not working.
This discussion segment, with others like it, are missing details for men needing to step. I'm a grandfather, married 40yrs, that remember our mom being home each day to prepare lunch, maybe through gr.7 or .8. But even before our parents divorced, our father was pretty much only an occasional presence. My conclusion growing up regarding feminism was that it was largely a failure of men not stepping up to lead the household. The reasoning, in part, was other wives who had basically enough money, had reasonable autonomy of the home, had choices for health/exercise opportunities, and occasional social activities, where not looking for another job -- because they already had one which was recognized and mostly fulfilling. It appeared to me that men abusing women, or abusing children, or abusing their authority, were too often the problem -- maybe because they were just selfish, or maybe because they were not trained to lead, or maybe because they became uncoachable -- so much of this is men just not putting in the little extra effort to lead their families.
Jack Kerouac's On the Road, read with the coming history of feminism in mind, is basically the story of traditional society malfunctioning, nobody being able to fix it, and women just collectively giving up that it can be fixed and exiting instead.
Wow - thank you for sharing your experience and observations.
I think many of the trad-wife influencers take up such a 50s aesthetic is because that's the only substantive reference they have for a tradwife. Most SAHMs who grew up with more traditional mothers are not social media influencers. I suspect most of the social media influencer trad-wives did not grow up with traditional mothers, realized the modern narrative wasn't working for them, and want a more traditional role. But the only reference point they have is popular culture, and the last time that was portrayed widely and positively was the 1950s. It is, in a sense, a larp, but for many I think it's a larp that wants to be more but is unclear as to how.
Or she dgaf about what kind of wife she is, and chad told her what kind of wife she's going to be if she wants a ring. So now she's just trying to figure it out on her own because she wants chads babies. I'd bet my left hand this scenario is SUPER common just like most pro-natalist's are women who were converted by their boyfriends/husband. It's called a patriarchy for a reason.
Women larping as traditional women in feminine attire - MORE PLEASE! I LOVE IT!!! ❤❤❤
@@bradleyb.425 You want Halloween Costumes every DAY? You're a child.
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I mean, 1950s dress is way more aesthetically attractive than the 1990's mom jeans and butch haircut.
Very true. Many women have never held a baby until their first child including my wife. A big problem in our country is the removal of home ed where they used to baby sit, and shop where kids created things.
as if men don't need to learn how to take basic care of their own kids?
@@seabreeze4559 both need training. At the same time, boys are usually taught to protect their siblings and their mother.
I doubt that would help - I was regularly forced to babysit 3 small kids when I was 12-15 and it made me NEVER want to be a parent!
@@judegrindvoll8467 I hear you lol.
This "trad" thing is cyclical. Every 80 years people tire of the "anything goes" culture and desire a firm foundation.
...and then "foundations" become oppressive and destructive....funny how/when that happens. It's almost as-if men don't learn anything at-all...
e-girls = wanting investment from men
tradwives = wanting investment from men
It kinda circles back around either way, to monetarily objectification of men; and what that entails.
@@TonyTheTGR I think you misunderstood the arguments made in the video.
Why are we pretending that being a traditional wife, even in modern times, is some kind of confusing term that's very dynamic between couples? It's very simple actually. Housework, vs breadwinner. Who's staying at home, minding the household and everything within? Who is going off to their job to handle finances? Sure, you can feign ignorance and pretend that those roles are interchangeable, or that both spouses can do either or, but then we aren't being traditional are we? You'd actually be considered very abnormal to the general populace with a male homebody and a female breadwinner. Most males wouldn't want to associate with a man like that, and most women wouldn't be able to maintain this relationship happily for long.
As far as whether or not the "movement" will fail, well, I tend to look at history and actual data. As it turns out the traditional nuclear dynamic of male breadwinner, female homebody is a tale as old as time itself. Biologically wired to be this way even in caveman days for obvious biological reasons and thus why it's been the dynamic regardless of country, culture or creed. It's an unfortunate time we live in where modern women think they are so much better than all the prior women of history, and the declining marriage rates, and exploding divorce rates are proof enough that it's not working.
In difficult times humans revert to basic instincts - father brings the food, mother rears the children.
@@BlueBlossomsBlues
Poor and middle class women have always worked
And for all the feminist propaganda, the statistics still say that a wife making more than her husband is a recipe for infidelity and divorce....
The fundamental problem with what your saying is that it's absolute bullshit. Prior to the industrial revolution most people were involved in subsistence farming, everyone worked at home. And everyone in the home, including women and children, worked. You'd have seen the same basic pattern even in the cities: people that were fortunate enough to have a trade would have lived above their workshops and the entire family would actively been working in the family business. Men and women in the landed nobility class did not work in the traditional sense of applying a trade, but did compromise the military class and even the women would have been expected to sew and be productive themselves. Prior to agriculture we lived in hunter gatherer societies and women did the gathering bit of that.
The concept of going to a job is extremely modern and in many ways we're still sorting out what that's going to look like for family life. But it is unlikely that for many women it's going to be a life of hitting the start button on a few household appliances and otherwise enjoy endless leisure time.
@@wyleecoyotee4252 yes, but their work is different.
This would make sense if time wasn't limited.
Avoiding "guidelines" so women can "figure out" that they want family and children and a traditional male provider when they're already 35 years old is going to be nothing but misery and disappointment for them.
Nobody "figures out" everything on their own.
You don't wait for your kids to "figure out" on their own that studying is important, that they should avoid drugs, that they should show respect to elders and authority figures for their own best interest. Society, parents, etc all give "guidelines" on how to behave to give individuals a HEAD START on "figuring it out" so they can have happier lives.
OR AT LEAST WE USED TO.
Now we basically do the opposite and society is crumbling.
I grew up in the late fifties and early sixties. It was a very middle class , catholic upbringing. Very few women worked, only women solicitors, doctors and teachers went to work. The men went out to work and women did everything else. Most of the women couldn't even drive (that did change gradually). A few of the women were happy, most were not. Most of the men either had affairs, beat their wives or did both. The women stayed because they had large families and could not cope without support from their husbands. The men knew they could do exactly what they wanted to and that their wives were completely powerless to stop them.
What a load of crap. The vast majority of women were never beaten and were as happy as any woman could be now or then. Probably happier then (almost a certainty), than now. They were fulfilled with home making skills, requiring a plethora of skills, and the joy of mastery of self-control girded by Faith, Grace and Catholic values.
I am glad that Mary marks the turning pointing at the Industrial Revolution. People went from being families to being individual economic units.
Infants grow quickly. It’s a limited time job for a mom until they are old enough to be independent and not in need of so much attention. Women’s lives have a variety of chapters and phases. Seems the intellectualism and overthinking really gets in the way of living at times. Generalizing just doesn’t work as each household is unique. We are humans not robots to be neatly plunked into boxes and assigned a predictable task.
Yep, my parents raised 4 kids while running a business. Was it messy? Yes. But what are you gonna do? Gotta live life some way and unless you are one of the lucky few life is gonna throw some really nasty stuff at you.
@@Raya-ir4tm You seem to have misunderstood.
Great perspective
My grandmother was widowed when she was 30 in the 50's. She had 3 children to raise and worked the rest of her adult life. My mother worked most of her adult life. My sisters, the same. People do what they've got to do.
Kudos to your to the women in your family. It takes a special kind of women to raise 3 children and work outside the home. The real question is whether that's optimal. I'd argue it's not.
@@boywonder4509 What optimal is for people to raise their children in tribal societies. That village is needed to raise that child. Nuclear families are way less important than extended families.
@@sarahrobertson634 While community is important the mother and father will have the biggest impact on a child's development. You can be part of a terrible community but if you have a stable nuclear family outcomes will be better than vice versa.
@@sarahrobertson634 Is your absurd oversimplification intended to be misleading, or are you just a poor communicator? The idea that the nuclear family is somehow *instead* of, rather than *in addition* to the extended family and community (tribe) is a propagandistic lie spread by those who want to overthrow the very idea of family in the name of state control of the population.
To say that having a mother, father, and siblings that you live with is "way" less important that having a caring community around you is absolutely laughable - both are important, but parents are MUCH more effective at producing well-adjusted children who grow into well-adjusted adults than caring non-parents. What makes a strong community (tribe) so important is that it enables parents who would struggle to be effective on their own (due to poverty, immaturity, lack of effective parenting themselves, etc.) to be good parents by providing them with support in the areas they are lacking. If they're too poor, they can lean on their neighbors for money/things of value. If they're too immature, they can lean on their neighbors for wisdom and support. If they're too busy, they can lean on their neighbors for care duties. But children need parents, a strong village is not enough on its own.
@@boywonder4509 What other choice would a widowed woman of 3 have? Not everyone got remarried.
I think even during the 1950's that traditional wives worked part time after the children reached a certain age. It isn't about keeping wives at home during the entire marriage. It's about caring for the children from the most critical years - from birth to early teens.
Who said that it is a "movement"?
Its just women and men choosing how they want to live their lives.
Why should these women run channels where they're reading scriptures and telling people what to do, much of what they do is prescriptive. If they believe in the live and let live they wouldn't be doing this.
It's not a movement it's just a bunch of women who know what men want to hear posing on social media for profit.
*How they are incentivized to live their lives
Do what makes you happy. My wife and I agreed to live smaller so she could raise our son full time. You're not a bad wife/mom if you choose to work. It's totally fine. Just don't judge others who live differently.
I was curious to see how Mary would respond given her history as a feminist. Her visceral reaction was expected, immediately talking about legislation and drawing to a iron age analogue lmao.
Once a feminist always a feminist.
Iron age? Do you know that was about 3000 years ago?
I don't think that the tradwife movement will fail. None of the marriage minded men that I've known over the years have wanted to wife up a boss babe. Women who espouse the tradwife lifestyle in the manner of Estee Williams will very likely have more successful marriages and an increasing number of boss babes will be on TikTok lamenting their lonely middle age.
You forgot to mention that the tradwife creators like Estee Williams are THEMSELVES "boss babes". She is earning money for her social media content, putting as much ambition and passion into her work as any other career woman. It's possible that she now outearns her husband, thus NOT even a tradwife.......
Most of the marriage minded men I’ve known wanted a woman who would bring a decent income to the table-and who intended to keep doing so, pulling back from paid work only briefly when kids came along. Most men resent-and know they won’t likely be able to meet-the expectations of “gold diggers” who want a man to be the sole support of a whole family forever.
Lol thank god for divorce and mostly for widow status
@@terry9238 "Gold diggers" don't want a man to support a family the create together, they want a man to support *THEMSELVES.* Sometimes that includes her children, but those children are usually considered a narcissistic extension of herself, not separate people who she has a duty to properly parent.
Isn’t Estee Williams a content creator? Doesn’t that make her a boss babe?
I can't help notice that none of these "trad wives" have kids. I don't think they understand what a traditional wife is.
It's having a UA-cam channel to get men to pay for their wife fantasy
I am not convinced they are married at all. Has any of them shown her husband? Was he wearing a matching ring?@@wyleecoyotee4252
She is on point. One income families, has always been, the rare exception. With farm, or rural life, everyone is working, at what they are best at. It’s city life, that has made it confusing. When the work is external, to the home. When one income, isn’t quite enough.
Both parties need to be adaptable, and dedicated.
I think you are confusing work with income. Yes, both adults work to produce. But generally the production of surplus for exchange was not exclusively done by both parties. One or both would put a good portion of effort towards production of what the household needed.
The modern/industrial era convinced people that to have things, you needed to buy them. Thus one "breadwinner" dedicated their time to the production for exchange (working for pay). In the meantime, the other adult would still focus on producing what was needed in the home as much as they could (cooking food, baking, cleaning, raising chickens, growing a garden, sewing clothes, etc).
Our post-modern world has convinced us to give up doing ANY production for ourselves, send both people off to produce exclusively for exchange (work for pay) and then use that surplus to pay for everything you would otherwise do yourself.
@@klosnj11 Whoa, over the target. Watch out, the flak is heavy there. This seems entirely too accurate and thoughtful for the internets.
@@light9999 Meh. It doesn't coincide with history. You can pretend that people disagree because they are close minded, but it shows more about you than others.
it's classist, not sexist
“Trad wife” is a lifestyle in balance with nature, not a trend. I have a masters degree but always was upfront about my trad views. Married at 25, 2 kids, successful husband, stay at home mom, but I’m doing part time work on the side to fund my designer bag & shoe hobby 😂 meanwhile my feminist friends in their late 30s are in debt, freezing eggs, can’t find a decent man without kids, or just a man who has values & financial stability, they are all low key alcoholics and depressing AF. Used to make fun of me for my choices and now…
It's people cosplaying the 50's, which is an isolated time in history. Before women were housewives they were FARM wives. BIG difference.
If your hubby's side piece surfaces, you'll be singing a different tune, Pickmesha.
Your entire life is reliant on another persons success and you’re shitting on others who don’t wish to be in that position. You’re not a better person for this…
your friends need to read the Bible and readjust their expectations and priorities. but than I would be a mansplaining misogynist 😂😮!
you sound bitter and broken Sarah. not judging i get it, I understand. been there too. check out divorce care and the book of Psalms. God bless. @@sarahrobertson634
Corporations have dumped too much money into feminism for it to fail. Why pay some dude 20 dollars an hour when you can pay a dude and his wife 10 dollars an hour each for double the work?
It should be natural traditional not forced, we can be modern yet traditional in values. Anything not sincere and extreme is never good.
No feminist have not said you can't have it all. There is basically no one in the main stream stating women should be mothers. It's more acceptable to say you dislike children or know you don't want kids.
Nobody is forcing anyone to do anything. Traditional people are promoting a lifestyle that we believe is the best and healthiest way to lead one's life. In other words, promoting a lifestyle that we believe leads authentic and lasting happiness in life. People are free to either take it or leave it.
Such a passive aggressive approach from her, which begs the question, why the hell does she care?
Sunk cost most likely
For starters, she has kids. For seconds, isn't every well educated English, Canadian, and American person is passive aggressive?
@@chipcook5346anyone can have kids 😂
'Why the hell does she care?' My friend, even ivory towers get sieged if the rest of society degenerates far enough.
She's in the half rational half feminist crowd. There are many these days, somewhat conservative politically and against the obvious excesses of feminism yet living and working in the professional world which they feel they can't endanger by completely rejecting feminism for themselves. It's an awkward dance they perform. Like when she implied almost no one in the 50s lived a traditional working husband and at home wife lifestyle. Really? That seems like wishful thinking.
How did feminism become so dominant that it's the default normal now?
Trad wife, as in 1950s stay stay at home mom with a single income husband, won't work today because it's simply not an economically viable option for the vast majority of families. The 1950s model is not coming back anytime soon.
However, I think we may see a return to a more communal or extended family based model. The kind of multi-generational housing you see in many other cultures will likely see a return if housing and inflation continue to rise. And in many ways, this is much more traditional than the single income nuclear family.
That would be cool. Works wonderfully in other countries. Multi-generational families living together can lead to a very strong sense of family and community, which is lacking in America nowadays.
Perhaps this newly generated tradwife movement was born out of the 1950's golden age of media--films, television and magazines along with all of the advertisements showing happy housewives with perfectly coiffed hair.
“People can figure out for themselves what works.” The thing that gets me about this statement is we don’t do it for most other really important things, like health. We don’t just tell people to eat whatever they like and act like there won’t be bad outcomes for bad decisions, and we don’t raise children like this. We don’t tell people this for their education, to just read whatever you want and see what happens on the other side. Modern man has an obsession with this idea of individualism at all costs and that all things are relative to the subjective understanding of each individual, and it’s driving people insane. It’s ruining families and destroying the culture. You are a physical part of the universe and your consciousness in no way makes you immune to the laws of physics. Your ego makes you think you do, but it is arrogance and folly that pushes mankind to this conclusion. As assuredly as gravity attracts planets, there are ways to be and ways not to be, iterative behaviors to take and behaviors to avoid. Yes there is variance, yes there is freedom. But the idea that standards don’t exist and we shouldn’t try to have any boundaries on what people are doing is leading to a lot of unnecessary suffering. When I want to learn a new skill, I go to someone to teach me how to do it so I don’t have to reinvent it from scratch. What a massive waste of time that would be, nor am I likely brilliant enough to reinvent it with any level of quality compared to the masters. How much more complicated are romantic relationship, child bearing, child rearing, and family dynamics than something like carpentry? So why in the world would you assume that you can just “figure it out” and not have serious issues?
Marriage and having children is a financial nightmare for men. Once women are not FINANCIALLY incentivized by child support and divorce then we can have a table discussion as adults.
Alot of stay at home mom's become "wine moms" once the kids are old enough to go to school. With cell phones and social media these stay at home moms are bombarded with advertisements for a lifestyle that becomes unaffordable for a single income earner, without going into extreme debt
"Middle Class" is economically IMPOSSIBLE on the average male single-income.
So you'd rather a wine Tradcon SAHW 🍷 than one that is available to notice that she made a bad choice by marrying an average short king blue collar thousaner 😅
Modern Feminism has been teaching through the schools since 1970 what the roles are.
It provided women with freedom and autonomy.
@@wyleecoyotee4252 By destroying the rest of society. What an awesome trade...
@@zerofox2030 Read Kerouac's On the Road, with an eye to what comes after, and you'll see third wave feminism as more of a lifeboat than the cause of the sinking: Already in the 40s and 50s something was going wrong, and nobody could figure out how to fix it, so instead the feminists just left.
my wife and I are in a "traditional" marriage in the way that she can stay at home with my income, but she is far from "trad," and I am one of maybe 4 people I know in my industry that has a wife that stays at home. We see the value of the sacrifice for the kids. we don't want more material things over their well being, but I guess I have to agree with her. We do what is best for our own as a team. She certainly can work if she wants to, but she happens to agree that the kids are more important, and they do way better with mom at home. it is a luxury that is very, very rare these days. Thank god I make enough to do that. She is also a wizard with the finances.
“And in a modern context where most of us work in the world of bits and bytes anyway…”. Tell me you have no experience with the real world without telling me you ‘have no experience with the real world’. This woman thinks the cars she drives built themselves and drive on roads that fix themselves. Manual laborers are invisible to her.
This is NOT a trend. I have 2 EXECUTIVE highly successful careers & a traditional life. I PREFER traditional. I’ve given up nothing.
Can’t wait to see you as a single mom after your husbands affair
i think the social media trad wife aspect is sleazy, and narcissistic because they are doing this for views and money essentially.
Social media in a nutshell.
She wants it to end.
Indeed. Women who have to work a job are viciously jealous of those who do not.
Wendell Berry has written extensively on this topic. His concept of the "home economy" covers many of the issues and concepts discussed here.
How is traduire going to die when women by large are regretting their modern lifestyle choices as they get older.
Fake news 😂
@@ChickFenwick nope, just go on any social media platform and see all the older women saying “where are the good guys at”. Sorry, but you lost your opportunity
That’s not happening in any major way.
@@ChickFenwick There are plenty of studies that show women’s happiness is declining. Enjoy your cat!
@@ogolden8315 studies prove you wrong
People “Figuring out what works best for them” HAS NOT BEEN WORKING!!!! Look at the state of our relationships for God’s sake!!!! 🤦♂️
Well said, sir.
Yeah, she totally face-palmed hard with that one.
@@Raya-ir4tm That’s not at all what anyone is advocating and you know it. Completely disingenuous.
The idea that women go through some kind of highly conscious, entirely informed decision making process about how they organize their family for optimal functioning is laughable. 99% of us are on autopilot. We reflect back on our lives as if they were the result of a lot of conscious decision making, but in reality we are making most decisions completely unconsiously.
“ You can’t outsource that …”
Obviously has never heard of a “ wet nurse .”
She was talking about the connection between mother and child. You CAN'T outsource that
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Oh , I knew what she was saying , and I was being a bit facetious … however … to your point .
The “ bond “ between mother and child , in the old joke , happens at the nipple .
There have been several experiments done along this line , using chimpanzees… bottle fed , and wire frames … with and without fur to mimic a “ mother “ …
Even one that gave electric shocks unexpectedly I believe … poor little beggars …
Interesting results show that infants will bond with almost anything .
That special “something “ a mother supposedly imparts is fairly easily replicated.
Rich folks have known this for generations … no need to involve yourself with grubby little people with loud voices , runny noses and filthy hands … when you can hire a nanny or Au Pair to get all that bonding silliness out of the way .
You merely oversee the child rearing .
They present you with a clean and tidy , well mannered and trained young person in a few years .
Whom you can send off to military or boarding school with confidence .
You still visit each other on holidays and other occasions… of course .
Come to find out , you can outsource almost anything , if you have enough money .
The worst thing to ever happen to America is the two income household.
Traditional roles are there for a reason. Cultures that did not adapt them did not survive and thrive as much.
What a bunch of garbage. You have NO CLUE how, or why cultures change - and how that affected survivability.
@@MichaelJames-lz7ni Right, because tribes that were led by emotional women with average IQs took over the world. Lol
@@MichaelJames-lz7ni And you do?
Listen, I am just here to say I approve of the picture in the thumbnail. That's all. Have a great day.
Clickbait indeed
Just let people live their lives as they choose as long as they're not harming anyone else. Period.
It isn’t about the June Cleaver-esque dress and necklace of pearls. It’s about priorities and values. Will the woman prioritize supporting her husband and taking care of children? Does she prioritize her family over her career accolades? Will she prioritize the family over petty materialist wants?
This is not a "movement" lol it's a residual of what used to always be that for some reason isn't the norm anymore. It absolutely succeeds, it's not something that will fail overall, it's just one of the many options of how to run a household these days.
No, it definitely is a movement with its own culture. There is an underbelly to it when they get in too far. Ther have been articles written by women who got out after seeing a philosophy forming that okays marital force/rape etc.
As people who live traditional lives. The secret to happiness is gender roles. We left corporate America and bought a farm. When it came time to do logging. No women were into 14 hour days in the snow with terrible risk. All the women stayed warm inside and loved it. all of the women in our extended family have jobs.. remote work has replaced weaving.
The problem with tradwifes themselves is not a gender dynamics issue but rather an economic one. Simply put, probably about 90% of the newer generations can not afford to have one partner stay at home and simultaneously pay the cost of children while wholy funded by a single income. This is a dual income world now. The children will be given ipads and youtube kids and be told to wait 8 hours while the parents go to work.
Women going to work reduced wages for everyone.. plus if poor people can have babies, then western people can.. u make such a copout argument.. and kids are at school most of the time
@@spiff1 How has women in the workforce reduced wages? The economy has grown massively so the pie is divided between more people, but is vastly larger to begin with. And would you be content economically dependent on a sexual partner for the roof over your head and food in your mouth? No. I bet you wouldn’t
The idea that only one person is enough to sustain a family is a modern upper class american one
U put more workers into the system, each worker isnt as valuable, not exactly rocket science is it. And it cant magically grow new jobs with no new demand. And this 'indpendent strong wahmen' thing hasnt really worked, its broken families apart, hence the word 'independent'@@joygibbons5482
The whole problem is definitely an economic one. Pretty hard to raise a family on under $150,000 yr.
I don't expect TradWives to go away, men want and will marry women who present traditional values. The promoting of it on TikTok will go away but the TradWives will still be more successful in the marriage and dating game.
Puts the idea out there because she wants it to fail. She needs to learn to leave others alone with their choices.
What idea?
@@chipcook5346 What'st the video about?
@@clangerbasher More than one idea here, and I don't read minds. Therefore, which idea she would like to see fail is important.
@@chipcook5346 It's in the fucking title genius. Cringe debate bro's in the comment section.
@@dontcallthemliberals3316 Ah. The personal attack. Always so effective in place of simply clarifying in situations where they talk about more than just the title.
This woman is turning something simple into something complex. You don't need to weave to be a traditional wife. How dumb. If you want to be a trad wife, stay home, raise kids, cook and maintain the home while your husband is at work making the money to keep the traditional home possible. How do I know? I was born in 1951 and had a trad mother and in 1970 married a trad wife. The only thing that deters this now is the inordinate amount of greed in the real estate system and administrations hell bent on deliberately wrecking the economy, making traditional living impossible. IN 1970 our rent was $120. 1/4 of my income. And weekly groceries were under $25. Also, back in those days, women had fewer heart problems. Now since women no longer "need no man, they are edging ahead of men's heart issues.
Being a trad wife is only made possible with a husband and wife who have the unique and distinct skills to be a trad household. Most men cannot afford this lifestyle and many women were raised by their fathers to hold three full time jobs (mom, homemaker, employee).
I don't care if its a movement that will fail or if its all fake in tiktok , as long as it counters the hypersexual and OF culture young women are exposed to, IM ALL FOR IT.
It's entirely there as a wedge to widen the fissure in society.
I disagree with this lady. A traditional wife is the only kind of wife that lives up to what being a wife is meant to be by the Creator Who created her. A woman finds true joy in her role as wife and with her husband lives out Holy Matrimony for the good of their children, for their own flourishing and that of their community.
The feminist wife brings disorder and discontent to herself and her husband.
Trust me, if men show interest, a subset of women will do this and if other women see it and think it works, they will try the same thing.
If people could figure out what works best for them, there would never have been a self-help book. Women should be taught what a "traditional wife" is with its advantages and disadvantages. And, they should be taught what a "modern independent woman" is with its advantages and disadvantages. Then women can make decisions that will help them achieve their goals in life.
She is a fool. By the one minute mark she had already gone off the rails. "People can figure out what works for them" is utter foolishness. If people continue to make all their own mistakes then they will continue to end up single and childless and on happy pills. Look at the failures and choose not to do what they have done. Look at the 80 or 90 year olds that have had a life that you aspire to and ask them what they did, what values they hold, what pits did they avoid. It isn't rocket science. People have been doing these same exact things for thousands and thousands of years. There are things that work and there are things that fail... every time. Making excuses and justifying your failures... fails everytime.
It won't fail because it literally never has since the dawn of time.
when I had my son I was a traditional wife for 3 years, I wanted to be part-time at work but it was not possible, and working full-time was not good for my son or for the family union, I do not see anything wrong with that, I will not impose it to anyone if they do not want but I did it and I was happy, now I work 24-30 hours weekly and I take care of the house, shopping, my son stuff, and I am very happy. and my husband works between 38 -45, we work as a team. It was the way also my parents did it and my grandparents did it.
When one working person in a marriage can get you a house, a car, and anything reasonable that you want, you can be whatever kinda of couple you want. But as of now, both people could be working full time and they would be struggling to pay their rent, not enough money for maintenance of their broken down car, and virtually no discretionary funds to spend on hobbies or other life fulfilling activities. Start from the base. People simply cannot live with the money that they are earning, they are just surviving.
100%
I enjoyed her book. She made good points about the change of women's roles in society after industrialization. The goal should be to make it easier for women to contribute financially to the family from home with work that can be paused whenever needed to look after kids.
You can have it all, you just have to really know yourself and narrow down what matters to you above all else.
As fertility continues to decline, our culture's long term future will be dictated simply by who has more kids. Will that entail a return to traditional roles, in some ways? Maybe so. Those couples who prioritize kids/family above careers will probably have larger families.
conservativism, religion, xenophobia, low education and getting married young are all highly correlated with fertility across cultures.
ironically evolution is the single best argument against atheism.
The problem with a lot of modern women is they think by having a career they must jettison any remaining femininity which men clearly don't want. So perhaps it's not a trad wife that's the best solution, perhaps it's enabling women to be ok with being feminine while also have their career path.
The problem was never working. For example, my Grandma worked until the day she passed away and that was in the early 90s. And she was one of those old school super-moms that did everything. Worked, cooked, cleaned, raised the kids, paid the bills, etc. I think the real issue is not the rejection of femininity or even pushing women to focus their careers but the devaluing of the nuclear family in the US. People(not just women) are just not taught that having a family is important anymore. I mean, often they are taught the opposite. A lot of times when someone has kids at like 19 you'll hear people say they "ruined their life" and stuff like that. And people, especially young women, are heavily influenced by social trends. The problem is that having kids and a family is a very fundamental part of being a human. And teaching people to go against their nature is resulting in a lot of them being deeply unhappy as they get older.
90% of people don’t have a career.
@@BrandonHeat243 that's totally fair
@@BrandonHeat243 or maybe those women were not taught but shown that having a family requires more sacrifice from the woman by their mothers and grandmothers. And they made a choice based on what they saw (not taught).
@@Emptytopfloor Sacrificing of what? Partying? Getting back shots? Watching TV? Going on vacation? Posting on Tik Tok? Your comment is a good example of the hedonistic narcissism that poisons the west. The things you "sacrifice" to have a child are of little value compared to the value of having a child.
SAHM wives have always worked, but they predominately are at home/field and see that is their primary responsibility taking care of the home and kiddos. My husband and I are a team. It’s hard to make this commitment with leaving the back door open for divorce, like so many women advocate for.
I don’t care about the TRAD wife movement aside the fact that it’s showing that it’s a lifestyle that still makes sense when you’re both committed to the team.
I'm in a relationship where 80% to 90% of the time i pay for evrrything and my girl comes over to my place 5 nights a week and 4 out of those nights I cook the meals too and do the dishes, she will help out with those things too but then if she does it more than once or twice a week she starts complaining she feels like my maid. I dont think its sexism that if Im expected to pay the majority of expenses (90%) then i shouldnt be expected to also do the majority of the cooking cleaning etc. Am I crazy to think this? Ive had many convos about how i need more support but never outright said i think our dynamic isnt fair. Do I need to just man up and say it?
Hum I say these I earn more than my partner but he owne more asset tha me. He's a chef I'm a lawyer. There's no way I'll cook for him cause 1 he's a chef, 2 I hate cooking unless it's my fitness cooking which he despite. That xy has to learn that just because he choose a job that makes him go outside more than I do doesn't make me the defects SAHW. I keeping the space where I live clean out of necessity to prevent disease and promote order. But I won't pick up or clean up after a grown #$$ xy. Specially in the bathroom. That why like in a castle I have my own space that I keep clean and he has he's own space that he's free to keep in any kind of way he see fit. If he can keep it clean he's free to pay me or a real maid to do it, but I'm not cleaning after an adult able male . If I have to end up with to enjoy a life 🐈 and 🍷 to keep my house clean and my.mental health on top well bye beach
If you can find a balance where you feel she is contributing a fair amount, that would be fine.
If she is unwilling to change at all, you need to consider if this is the women you want to continue to be with.
>man up
Yeah, don't listen to anyone who says this. It's like a girl saying you're gay because you don't find her attractive, it means nothing. Honestly, your gf sounds like trouble, you should dump her as it's only gonna get worse.
All I can say is: Fuck expectations. Talk about it with her, talk about everything. Everything is negotiable. Discuss what's fair as far as financial contributions, discuss what's fair as far as domestic labor, discuss EVERYTHING. If you have vastly different ideas of what's fair and can't find a middle ground, move on. I did this with my wife before getting married and it saved a lot of pain the long run. When I acquired significant health problems from having a baby, the equation for what's "fair" had to change but we were ok because we had practice discussing that kinda shit. No one should be used, no one should be taken advantage of.
@@aawillma that's some solid advice right there. Thank you
You can take the girl out of the trailer park, but you can't take the trailer park out of the girl.
Swap feminism for trailer park....
Everyone could do with a little more self-awareness and a little less following what they think everyone else wants them to do.
“Trad wife” is an online larp. So yeah THAT will fail. But the desire to return to traditional two parent homes with SAHM is not a trend and won’t be going anywhere.
Came here for the left part of the thumbnail 😟
I feel like this was more affirming toward the TradWife movement (or couples who find a way for the wife to be the primary homemaker). Those woman recognize they can't "have everything" (in the sense of a career), and if they choose to be an influencer, blogger, etsy store operator, or part-time gig worker they have that sort of work like weaving (as described in the video). I understand that the TradWife movement looks like young women cosplaying as 1950s housewives, but for some couples it's exactly what Mary described: using social media or the gig economy so the wife can stay home with the kids.
1:42 "...you do for the team" That has been my problem for decades now. None of the women I have been in relationships with have that mentality. They all want to be taken care of, and asking them to put in any real effort is viewed as oppression and sexist.
What "effort" do you desire from them specifically?
@@alexisc7565 shut up feminist. they should know their place in the system.
@@alexisc7565 Maybe continue to work a job, cleanup after themselves, you know the things people do in a relationship independent of gender/sex.
The ones hardest on the trad wife are the feminists. My wife decided she was going to be a stay at home mom once our son was born. The only ones that have her a hard time were her feminist “friends”.
It’s so sad that those who say that their children are the most important to them, but don’t act that way. You can’t be a great employee and a great parent. Something has to give. For most families, it’s the children who get the short end of that deal.
There is an inherent entitlement to TradWives. You have to be well off enough to have a one income household to be a housewife, and for most of us, those days are long gone. I believe that is also why the role of househusband never took off to a larger degree, because again you have to be fortunate enough to be a one income family to do it.
My grandfather was alive and running in the 50's as a WWII vet; they stories he told me of how women behaved and what they were up to scared me straight outta EVER getting married, Ever having kids and eventually Ever having relationships with American XX widgets and Eventually LEAVING the States. IF they had had IG in the 50s - nearly every girl would have been a Betty Page girl (just like today)
With the rapid inflation both partners will have to work 40+ just to be able to eat
@metoonunyabidness1391 At least in America, large families have been out of fashion for quite some time. At least since the 1940s. I believe the average cost of kid born in America today from birth until they turn 18 is $250,000. That means in order to have 4 children you need to be a millionaire. This isn't luxury purchases either, this is insurance, taxes, school tuition, food and baby formula, gas and larger cars, medical bills, and having a house appropriately large enough for a child to grow in.
@@jacrispy1150 "house appropriately large enough for a child to grow in" - I remeber growing up in the house my grandfather built. Three rooms, four generations, three branches of family. It was enough. Don't see the point why it can't be enough today.
@@metoonunyabidness1391 That's simply because children used to earn you money, not cost money
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No one wants to be poor.
TradWife can work if you have a TradHusband. My wife submits to me and I submit to her, it is based on mutual respect. We have only been married 15 years, but so far so good.
Traditional wives dont have time for tiktok
As a raging feminist I have to agree with the people defending traditional wives! Both girl boss and traditional women on social media are not accurate representations of what these paths actually are offline. They can both be balanced and healthy. However I find social media likes to do polarizing content to rack up views and keep up interactions on their posts to keep them relevant.
As soon as a person is solely dependent on one other person, resentment and abuse are... much more likely.
And then we'd get another feminism wave.
We've been here before.
If women could find side hustles, hobbies, crafts, jobs, careers that can pay the bills and more, that would be great.
Add to family fortune and don't be fully dependent on another being.
they do, women usually get a part-time job once the kids go to school.. u spouting Feminist cliched drivel about 'abuse'
You speak as if mistreatment in the past had had an impact on feminism, the reality is that today there are more misandric women and the countries where they are more egalitarian continue to demand feminist policies.
@@kst2154feminism started because of mistreatment
We discovered this in the 1950's and change occured. Feminism occured.
Then everything went to shit and now you have a war between men and women, and broken families everywhere, well done ladies!! @@wyleecoyotee4252
Men want a partner not a co worker
Absolutely all of white collar work fits this pattern. Kinda interesting seeing a feminist just thinking in blue collar categories while her only big win in the modern work world was implementing hr
My white collar friend's who had small children during covid all reported incidents of being let know they would be written up if they were to allow their child to distract in anyway from various phone calls and meetings they held during the day.
@@nicholascarter9158 missed my point. You are talking about workculture thats something else
@@user-bh2sd1if9o My point is that it doesn't matter if the physical logistics of the work should allow you to be partially asynchronous if the owners and managers of these businesses just insist on you being synchronous for the hell of it anyway.
@@nicholascarter9158 yes but i wasnt referencing your point but hers. Now saying that i wasnt referencing you is kinda interesting. Thank you for telling us your point of view👍
She says that she allows for a traditional model...but she seems intent to promote "alternatives"...which is often harmful to family. Using weaving as an example, is no big deal...who does it.
Her point is that in the past it was hard-nosed, heartless economic calculation that kept the housewife role going: durable goods were so expensive having someone just hang out in the house all day to fix, clean, and repair them was more profitable than a hard-currency job. You take that economic dimension out of it and it's not just something you do automatically anymore- it's spending money on ideology to have someone spend fifteen to thirty minutes repairing something that a brand new replacement can be bought on five minutes wages.
I’ve had a high value career and now I’m a stay at home mom. Taking care of my family is much more fulfilling. Feminist lied saying you had to be a girl boss and if you didn’t want their something was wrong with you.