Is DeWALT'S Newest Compact IMPACT DRIVER GARBAGE?
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- Опубліковано 7 жов 2021
- The #VeryCoolGang asked us to run tool tests and comparisons of DeWALT'S ATOMIC 20V MAX* 1/4 IN. BRUSHLESS CORDLESS 3-SPEED IMPACT DRIVER (DCF850P1) against its predecessor the DeWALT 20V MAX* XR® 1/4" 3-SPEED IMPACT DRIVER KIT (DCF887D2). We drive wood screws in to lumber, drive lag fasteners, and drill 1 inch holes using diablo's self feeding paddle bits. We giva all the specifications of these two tools, but we let you know if DeWALT'S Newest Compact IMPACT DRIVER GARBAGE! #TTR
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Red vs Yellow TTR. I may have to get one of the 850s when they're more regularly stocked in stores. Curious if that collet will hold up.
It’s nice that this powered tool industry has enough competition that everyone has to keep innovating and improving to stay relevant in the market.
It really doesnt, Milwaukee is best all around over them all.
@@voodooreptiles3553 No single manufacturer has the best tool in all the categories.
@@voodooreptiles3553 cuck
They can can only innovate as fast as new dc motors are beingn developed in asia. It will be atleast another 5 years for another gen of brushless motors used from powertools to medical devices.
@@voodooreptiles3553but they dont last. Youre only considering one metric which is dumb. You dont buy cars based on peak horsepower thats one of the metrics
Assuming the 850 has better overcurrent protection, it's an absolute must buy for me!
I just picked one up from the big Orange store! Look forward to drilling some fasteners in some timbers on Monday. Thanks for the review.
Thanks Vince and Jimmy (Jimmie?) for doing these head to heads for the Gang and the rest of the Tool Community on the interwebs. It helps us make better, smarter, and more financially sound choices when it comes to spending our hard earned Dough-Ray-Me. It’s nice to be able to see side by side (and head to head) comparisons of the tools we may be considering purchasing. Videos like these help us to see what the tool’s capabilities are (and sometimes, what they are not,) allowing us to make better informed choices for a tool that will meet our needs and suit our application. They’re fun, but also informative and educational and they help each of us to be a more savvy consumer. It’s like Sy Symms used to say on the commercials for his clothing store, “Because an educated consumer is our best customer.” Thanks for helping us find more value every day!
I'm interested in a heat soak test, paddle bit vs 3 stacked 2x4 and repetition till failure or unreasonable to handle vs its counterpart.
The 850 looks pretty good. I've moved my 887 into the garage for house tasks. In the work van I'm grabbing either the Makita xdt16 or the M12 fuel. I do have a bunch of DeWalt batteries though so a good deal on the 850 and who knows.
Good feedback, you’re a real character!
I have the 887, just picked up the 850. It's so nice to have on the belt. Super light, especially with the power stack battery. Keep on my belt all day. Lasts through the day on light drywall work. Other work, it doesn't last as long heats up. Love the both of them!
Hate to tell you but the 887 and 850 weigh exactly the same
@@cynic256 yeah but i use a power stack battery with it. Hella light.
can you do a video on the best locks for the toughsystem 2.0 while out on the job? haven't really found a great solution with all my boxes and toughsystem radio
By the nature of a quick release collet like these have they will wobble; some bits more than others, depending on micro variations in weight distribution. But it’s the convenience of a quick release instead of a three jaw chuck.
Eh not really, try the new Milwaukee ones and they hardly have any. I’m pure dewalt myself but it’s super annoying how they didn’t fix this issue at all, seems just as bad if not worse.
Is the new any good for cabinetry and 2nd fix ?
Happy Friday Evening, VCG and the Gang! 👍🧰😍
Plumber here. Love your Channel, I watch it every time I come out of work hoping to see new uploads. Thanks !!!
I wish somebody would tell me if the bit locks in and you have to pull the call it out to get the bit out or is it like the easy disconnect
Looks like a beast! If it doesn't let the smoke out, it's a real winner. Apparently the new DeWalt DCF911/913 and DCF921/923 impacts are all beastly too!
Would like to see comparison with power stack vs 5ah on both of them.
I already have an 887 so no need to replace it. I would take a DCF923 at the right price though.
I just bought the dcf850 the avil seems bent and it has a loud bearing noise when going slow and it had battery slop
Awesome. I would like to see a Triple shootout with this, Mikita, and Milwaukee.👍
Do u guys think its more powerful then the gen 3 Milwaukee. An also is it more compact in size then the gen 3
I’d like to see it up against the makitas (both 40 and 18v), the milwakee for sure, and maybe the flex
Me as well! I love my Makita 18v brushless. A showdown of these 2 is a must. If the 850 outperforms in several tests I'd consider adding it to my toolbox even though Makita has been my brand of preference for some time now
See the torque test channel they have just done a vid on that not pretty for 40v makita
@@jgdavidson90 I saw that also. I was a little shocked with the makita not producing as well as the competition. I own dewalt cordless tools and I am satisfied with them but do wish I had Milwaukee. Oh well, I’m not about to switch $1,500 worth of tools now.
Powerstack beats 40v I've had or used every impact out apart from gen2 hikoki 36v. This little 850 is brill
Love your videos. With that said, you still left a variable in the tests. Maybe you could try each drill with each operator.
Yeah who knows how much force is being applied by each operator. Maybe have them switch tools and test again.
I wasn't really expecting it to beat the 887 since it is an Atomic model, but I am pleasantly surprised. If I was in the market for a new driver that would probably be the one I get since it's so compact and fast.
What is the better driver for metal framing? Anyone?
Very impressed as always I can count on you Vince for a good honest review and test when do ya think that new impact will be available at home depot so I can pick one up
Thanks Kevin! I honestly don’t know when depot will have it! Ohio powertool and Acme both have it Now!
Nice thank you ill check it them both out
Sir Im from the Philippines and Im having a hard time looking for a dewalt drill driver dcf840.
Can you recommend me an online store that delivers directly here in the philippines? Thank you so much
Do you know when they will be in stores?
Damn I love that smart ass technology. Stops the drill when it meets residtance, applies proper torque/speed and blows through.
Hello from Russia. Guys, there's one important moment: you're showed that new DCF850 is much harder to work precisely. Less time to react, to stop, to save the material from damaging. The colour filter on 887 is also better 'cause id doesn't blinds when you look ai him from the flank. The 06:35 vs 06:40 shows that 850's compactness useless or even detrimental, because you'll confront to the material by the battery earlier than by the bit holder. It's when I say: «When you have no way to improve, you have to move to retrogression». The 887 is perfect as it is. If you have an insufficient of torque, you need the Milwaukee. If you have an insufficient of precision, you need the Makita. The 850 would be better if it would have same body as 887 with more power and/or more precision, but it have less precision and abortive body vs a little bit more torque.
Good eye catching that detail !
Прикольно , оч даже.
I'm glad you pointed that out, good eye
I’d go with precision so Makita for me. Power is good. But Makita overall has more balance. More than enough power for the job, with the precision and control. I have a Japan made impact that has lasted me 10 years and still going strong.
I never thought of it this way! My god it’s true! You don’t want the battery to hit the surface you’re driving into before the screw is all the way in. This can be solved by the smaller powerstack battery or by a longer driving bit.
A work buddy of mine ran over his old DeWalt (still brushed) impact driver. He went by the Home Depot and grabbed a set of drill&driver from DeWalt. I was helping him out with something the other day and Damn! Those bad boys had the Ballz!
Good luck finding the 850 in Canada. Mentioned it at Home Depot today. No one knew what I was talking about
Just bought an 887m2( same tool w/ 2 4ah) would you recommend taking it back and swapping for the new impact? The m2 is xr so which do you think would last longer?
Did you get a smokin' deal on it? Home Depot will probably have a sale on these new ones and they definitely look more sharp and modern compared to the 887. The 887 is like a 6 year old design and is mediocre compared to newer stuff, but hey, it's served countless professionals over the years as well, so, there's that.
@@seano932 the 850p1 is 200 right now and the m2 was 240 when I got it a few weeks ago but now its 290. I had an atomic driver w/o the 3 speed and it was great. Decided to go with trusty XR version but now that this is out im wondering if I should use the 90 day buy back and get the new 3 speed impact
I'm sticking with my XR 887. I also have an 885. I'm sticking with my 887.
We need a ttr with that 850. Maybe against the m18 fuel.
Yeah, the sooner the better!
One question does the dcf887 batteries serve in the dcf850 and vice versa. Or are they different batteries, greetings from Colombia
Exactly the Same Batteries"
Great video Vince keep it up 👍
are you planning on testing lowes 840 dewalt impact?
Another great review and product information...when it comes to tool information and reviews...this channel is the one stop shop...💯👍
Do you know with a little compartment on the side of the drill with a black cover is for?
i don't see any compartment
@@ChasseurTueur it’s for the blue tool Connect add on.
why does it appear the guy on the right with the old impact is not applying pressure like vince is doing to force the screw or hole bit down for a faster result?
Because…as you can see…that IS what’s happening, which is why these kinds of head to head are still subjective. They WANT the new one to be better, so….just push it a little harder. The published torque and speeds are the same… see 0:18
the xr drill impact is the same as thr xr atomic smaller believe me same thing
Just picked up the dcf850. Impressed by the size.
Damn, I just got the 887 with the drill combo kit. For a good price too. Should I return it and get the 850??
If you want it... (In the words of Ben stiller from starski and hutch) Do it!
I think the test would be fairer if it performs by the same person and put the two clips back together to compare the speed. Or, have each person switch and run both tools at least once. Also, the person on the right is blocked by the white clipboard
Agree! The person on the left handled the drilling much more steadily.
What’s the MSRP on it?
I have the 850 and I am considering returning it. You guys used it on torx fasteners it looked like but on Philips drywall screws it cams out very easily. I had a lot of difficulty screwing in some long screws in an awkward position with the 850. I tried my old Makita and it did it easily without camming out. My friend told me I didn't know how to use it properly so he tried and had the same result. I think the impacts are just a bit too hard, even when giving it just enough power to barely start impacting. I will make a video about it to show what I'm talking about.
I been looking at this impact in a powerstack combo and the makita xgt40. My gut says go with makita as ive never had an issue with them ever
@@stevec7435 I ended up keeping the DeWalt and I love it.
@@alexkram why is that? I’m looking to buy it tomorrow. So why bash it and then decide to keep it?
@@Pokemonnostalgia1991 that was my legitimate first impression. It hits a bit harder than the Makita that I was used to and it does cam out easier on Philips heads. But I use it for a lot more things than just Philips heads. It's a great tool. I love the short length, in fact when I was repiping my house I used it to drill through some 2x4s that there is no way my Makita could have fit into that spot. So much power too.
Did you try Ryobi a new high impact tool
That new one has some wobble in that slow motion of the spade bits
Hi Vince, do you have feedback about the longevity and quality of the 850? I’ve read that it breaks down frequently and it strips screw heads. I’m asking because once I buy it, it will be very difficult to get it fixed or even returned as I live outside North America.
Also, are all the dcf850 made in Mexico? Because this is all what I’ve been seeing being sold online.
Thanks and have a good day
If you have those concerns about the 850 I would think that you'd be fine with the 887.
@@gpjadams2 I now think so too, thanks for the advice.
So when and where can I get
do you have any makita guys in your crew?
Dewalt stepping it up. I like the spinning impacts. It kept me entertained for about 30 minutes after rewinding
Thanks TRZ, we appreciate that you’re easily amused! 🤣
@@VCGConstruction 😎😉👏
You can use the milwaukee to wind it up, it will save you a few minutes
@@VCGConstruction put it up against metabo hpt
@@carterscustomrods interesting point. Got evidence other than samsung notes?
Impressive Vince. Maybe vs Makita or even Bosch pro factor impact Dr if any. The new technology in the battery, little compact & longer run time. Thanks guys. 🙏🏾🖖🏾☕🤙🏾😎
The Bosch pro factor is a great suggestion Antonio, thanks!
M18 Gen 3. I’d like to see them side-by-side to compare. Thanks you sirs.
It’s inevitable LLAMA
Just about replaced my 887 until I saw this. I love and hate the compactness of the tool. Definitely notice a power difference over my 6 year old 887
I saw instances on both where the bits chucked off the collets and stuck on the screw heads,
the bits came out of the bit holder, not the collet. The bit holder just uses a small magnet.
Thx for the review
nice to see jimmy around the channel 👍
What’s up KOTC
I just picked that tool up we got them at work retail that is couple weeks ago never watch the review I picked it up because it was smaller than my fist LOL awesome job
I'm wondering about the torque and whether they've destroyed the material with too much torque
Put up against the Milwaukee, Milwaukee is a hoss, it might have collet issues but it’s a popular used driver and it’s a beast.
An of course i want it to go against the better of the two flex impacts an the Milwaukee gen 3 impact please.🙂 love the content keep being great
That was an Intimidating stare by you fellas 🤣 I feel like you gotta try and get it to catch on fire in order to restore Dewalts New impact rep lol. Im sure a Milwaukee vs Dewalt TTR will be the ultimate test for this new 850. 👍👍👍
Milwaukee who?
I think the yellow brand just punked the red brand lol 🤔
Looking at all the tests across all brands it reminds me of the tests made on sterio systems in the 70s and 80s the differances became so small that oscilloscopes were required to tell the differance. Our ears could not.
Here we are testing differant brands, different models etc and they are all either good or great depending on the chosen price point. Batteries good or amazing. We are fortunate, yellow red or green all great tools. The battery system chosen has more to do with the range of tools than anything else. How well the tools last is a reflection often of the respect users have for tools. We are very lucky to have only good product to choose from. When tools are compaired driving a five inch construction screw and the differance between them is a 1/4 inch thats a touch down in my mind. If only our elected officials were this good.
All the testing is good but we cant forget that while there are differances they are all good or great, comes down to personnel choice.
One thing I would really like to know though. In the day of corded tools our tool collection often consisted of multiple brands. This is way less common with battery tools.
How many people would mix and match brands if batteries were interchangable? Personally I would stick to a single brand that has earned my business. In europe the USBC plug is now law. It would be interesting to disscuss how this would affect the power tool business.
My own opinion is the less government involvement we have the better.
@VCG Construction Dewalt dcf887 has a light diffuser that is why it is a Little yellow. I still like my dewalt dcf887 and craftsman cmcf820 I will try out the dewalt dcf850
Broooo! That little thing can punch 💥💥💥💥 excellent video. Maybe Dewalt vs Milwaukee !! 😄🤞🏻
Team Maskita here so not really a Dewalt fan but that was pretty sick. Love the compactness of it. Another reason I chose team blue. Also just feels right in the hand. Another amazing video by the VCG. Keep cranking out the high quality content guys!!!
ma man
New Dewalt looking pretty strong. Put it against milwaukee and Makita
Looks like a winner from dewalt am sure they will have a xr model in the works the dcd 887 needs to be put out the pasture
Wow that little impact driver is pretty strong. Cuz how does it feel in hand. Can they get any smaller?
It’s definitely compact!
Probably not any smaller. I have the ryobi bid11XR and the stator is as thick as a pencil. They apparently had to split it into segments and it looks like a loose bike-chain held together by nothing _but_ its windings.
I'd bet the price would start to shoot waay up if they managed to make a smaller one and it's going to have a weird... _weird_ motor xD
I recently purchased the
DCF809 / 2 battery / Charger kit for around $160 . I used it for a week doing electrical and was completely disappointed with it , I felt like I got ripped off .
The 809 was just plain weakAF , you should’ve seen me I was so friggin pissed off at how weak that thing was 😡 .
So I returned it and spent an extra $70 for the Atomic impact (DCF850) + hammer drill + 2 power stack batteries + charger kit for around $230 .
I must say I was pleasantly surprised with the performance of the DCF850 w power stack battery . The DCF850 is the real deal my friends .
Plus , I got a sweet little hammer drill and two new power stack batteries out of the deal so I’m super happy about that .
I must say that that combo kit I got from Home Depot is one of the best deals I’ve got in a long time .
Nice upgrade. You bought the right stuff.
Hi Vince, that 850 is very impressive very strong and tiny, I want it,
Because the Atomic line is dedicated to Home Depot, is there a possibility that DeWalt will be releasing an XR version of the same sized tool available at Lowe’s?
Maybe it’ll be the same size but even more powerful!!
That would be awesome if the XR is more powerful too
They should make a kit with this impact and the 709 drill/hammer drill
The 850 and the 709
Please do a brand comparison battle between the new dewalt compact driver and milwaukees compact driver
Nice comparison! Thanks Vince!
Thanks Matt!
I love DeWalt and Milwaukee. I run both depending on the tool.
Nicest comment ever stop the war 👍
Dewalt and Milwaukee are the top brands. The difference is minute. The ejection of the bit from Dewalt is my only plus for it over the Milwaukee
Nice One Vince it looks like a great tool
Thanks Jamal, we appreciate it!
That new dewalt needs to go up against the Milwaukee. Drilling them hole with the price of wood right now is a flex 💪
When is it in Europe
When's the release date?
Love your videos
Thanks Matthew!
That “test” where they had the bit holder in running at full speed and showing how centered it was was most likely due to the critical speed of the holder, you could see it wobbling about and then regain stability after it ran past the critical speed. I recon the collet are pretty much exactly the same, it’s just spinning faster allowing for simple rotor dynamics to take effect. In real use it would most likely “feel” the same under load
Do the Mikita subcompact vs the atomic
Try it with the CMC820
This thing is a must for me going out today to get one makes my other impact drivers look like playskool toys 😆
Did you get one after all? Is it still holding? Any issues?
If it’s an atomic... maybe they’ll release an xr version later with better specs?
You obviously gotta put the 850 up against Milwaukee
Maybe do one where you let the tool do its thing without pushing it down slightly.
Is Jimmy still living in speed 2?🤣 #speed 3 Jimbo. CUZBO💪
TTR with the Milwaukee M18 Fuel Hammer Drill Driver!
Nick and Vince, you know that's what we want. TTR baby!!!!!!! Please bring it back, I need this in my life.
I want to see the same test but with the power stack battery.
That's how I purchased the tool,hell of a deal. For $150 bux u got to pick which tool u wanted and it came with the powerstack and charger.
Loving the DeGANG shirt
Ordered the 850 from Acme today! 👍🏻
Was considering ordering from them. Are they actually in stock or doing backorder like ohio power tool
@@tayjay9120 They are in stock as of this afternoon. Was going to wait until next week, saw Ohio was out and pulled the trigger.
@@rayland8553 good to know. I saw some reviews of issues with buying items and they being out of stock or taxed.
Whats the max torque of each spead
1000/2800/3250
I just bought one and it worked for not even a days use, it made this grind sound and then it stopped working, i have to either hit it against my hand or spin it by hand to make it work.
Did you swap it or go with something else?
@@gpjadams2 i traded it for a new one
The compact size could be helpful in tight places.
You two look like the OLD school 1950 -60's Robin off of Batman and Robin!!!😂
I have questions brother...... can you advice me.. which one is better hammer drill/driver or impact .... I'm talking about DeWalt brand
Anything with fasteners i use an impact, any hole drilling i use a normal hammer type drill
@jami w I gonna use it for make afram for my basement and some partitions
@jami w thank you so much....
I mis-understand the “Atomic” line was the new bottom line. (?). Guess not.
It was intended as their compact, but powerful line.
Does that mean we will get a new hammer drill in atomic?
Need to put it up against Milwaukee
Love you guys but really that’s like putting up a Cadillac from 6 years ago and one now there is no doubt the 2021 Caddy is by far superior
Seems like the new tool has a tech to ramp up power during usage!