Compact Impact Driver Showdown! Can The New Milwaukee Best Them All???
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- Milwaukee's new compact impact driver (Model 3650-20) is the smallest impact driver they make, M12 included! But how does it compare to the other compact 18-24v impacts on the market?
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All of the impacts were tested on 2 ah batteries except the flex which was tested on a 2.5ah. These are the kit batteries. There are some shots of the DCF850 on a 1.5 ah but during testing a 2ah was used.
I think the dewalt 840 would’ve been in this same category. The 809 is old. The 840 is the newer more compact. And definitely in the more budget friendly compact impact range.
The 840 is longer than the others but roughly the same weight. The 840 isn’t sold in their “compact” offering so hence the bit of an asterisk in its inclusion.
@@TinkerWithTools yea I see what your saying! Good video though!!
Thanks!
Great to see the DCF850. It’s my favourite here with three LED’s up front and the brilliantly powerful and compact Powerstack battery. It’s $149 now but with a free charger and Power-stack battery at Home Depot or Acme tools. I completely agree with the need for a compact Forge battery from Milwaukee. I was disappointed we weren’t given a roadmap for the entire range to be offered.
Great video as always - the DCF850 or 840 would have been a better comparison point for DeWALT imo. Both more compact than the 809.
That’s why they were included but they aren’t but the atomic kit price that includes the 850 is $60 more than the Milwaukee and $150 more than Metabo HPT is right now.
@@TinkerWithToolsDCF840 at Lowe’s is $99 for kit with two batteries and smokes the 809.
809 is honestly one of DeWALT‘s worst impacts lol
Always enjoy your videos tho either way.
I've owned just about every make of cordless tools over the years (DeWalt, Milwaukee, Ryobi, Bosch, Makita, and Craftsman). I finally got tired of having to many different makes and standardized on Milwaukee at home and Ryobi at our cottage. While I like the Milwaukee tools, they are, in my opinion, over priced, especially the batteries.
For me, the best compact in this comparison is the DeWalt 850. It might not perform quite as well as the new Milwaukee but it's smaller and when you are in cramped quarters, it doesn't matter if one driver can drive a screw in a half second faster if you don't have enough room to use it.
I like the 850 and in terms of length front to back it’s hard to beat. The new Milwaukee here is shockingly small in the diameter of the head. Not quite as short but still impressively small and light.
looks like makita has a stubby impact driver in the works. Interested to see what it will be like, most likely not focused on power as usual.
Hey the Metabo HPT has the lowest power figure here and finished in 2nd amongst those first 5.
Yeah, a bit shorter than 850. Although relevant for this showdown, most makita impacts are already small enough and would fit into this bracket easily, even though they are not marketed as "compact"
Impacts are tough just because unlike drills the more premium offerings are usually the smallest.
Your numbers are off the 809s time was 20.24
You are right. I got the 809 and Ridgid times reversed on the first results slide. The second set of results with the dewalts has the right time. Thanks for catching it.
When are we going to see the Panasonic impact driver on here?
The problem is simply availability in my market with the batteries especially. I can order the tool fairly easily but getting the batteries shipped is more difficult. Current a kit with an impact but not the one I would want is $350 before shipping cost and the other impact would be $180. So at nearly $550 for the tool it’s just not very economical. If you know of an easier way to get the batteries I am open to suggestions.
The Milwaukee is impressive. The metabo looks like the best performing compact for the price, sounds quieter as well. The publishes torque figures for some of them are clearly a bit off. Thanks for testing them so we can see the real world performance. The rigid seems the loudest, did any stand out as being more quiet ?
Not anything all that noticeable. The Ridgid seems loud because I think it was working the hardest to get things done so it becomes more noticeable
Tinker, your channel is produced well and I enjoy it. Thanks! You're focusing on speed, IPM, and are using them with wood and boards. At some point that use-case is covered though by a purchase, and features become more important. You could also test, for example, whether and how their ramp-up behaviour is, precision cut-off (when the bolt is sunk into the metal), ... and such things. 🙂
I appreciate the feedback. I am always looking at refining and improving things.
Going for the dcf850, as a DIY’er I don’t do that much heavy work and the little I do will still get done just a bit slower, so the size will help me more in the long run.
Do you think the power stack would help the first gen atomic impact? Thanks for the match up! Can’t wait for you to do powerstack vs forge vs Flex stack lithium! 😎👍🏼
Yes it will help the performance. That wasn’t tested in this video simply because all tools will benefit with a more premium battery but no one really offered the same premium battery. I wanted this one to be more apples to apples
@@TinkerWithTools It’s crazy to me how Milwaukee 80%-99% of the time always beat the competition! What’s so different about them? Their engineers? Tech? Why must they almost always out perform every one? Like why doesn’t other brands step up? And when they say they do their tools are still either slower or heavier? Probably why the cost is way up, even then though hilti and Makita cost more sometimes and Milwaukee still outperforms them.
I think the price point has something to do with it but they have the reputation they do for a reason. If it were easy they would all do it, right.
Being the Milwaukee is only 18v, and some are more, it says a lot about Milwaukee ingenuity.
I have the Milwaukee intact driver and the big Dewalt atomic and they are good impacts but the fastest in the Milwaukee so the best for me is the big Dewalt impact driver
Love my OG Hitachi Triple Hammer and M12 Surge, but would get an 850 if I needed a more compact 18v impact.
Another Really good Video and run off of these impacts. No doubt Milwaukee looks to have a winner here, but how impressive was the Metabo! I own the Metabo HPT triple hammer, and it is a fine little impact. It is the original Triple hammer. I own a couple of Makita impacts, as well as an older M18 impact, and an early M12 Fuel, and M18 Surge.
I believe You have called out Milwaukee before, with regards to the POOR trigger shape/ design? I wish more Channels would! I remember watching a few that did. I have older M18/ M12 tools with older trigger designs, and they are WAY more comfortable.
The 840 DeWalt was impressive. I bought the tiny Dewalt impact upon its release, and retuned it the next day. Crazy small in length, but way heavy, and too big around. Performance was not impressive. Was it the 840 that sounded smoother and less noisy in the tests?
Thanks for the great testing, and good video work! Big Thumbs up !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Stay well!
Thanks George!
Nice video! I would personally take the triple hammer from that line up. Think the Milwaukee is ugly with the silver front end of impact, they should have made that black
The Metabo HPT is nice but this isn’t actually the triple hammer. This is the newest brushless model. Still nice though.
It'll be interesting to see how the drill does against the makita xph16
Got the new MILWAUKEE its more or less a Sub COMPACT and that 4900 IPMs is insane but it certainly gets hot fast
Yeah you get it as small as it is and that heat has no place to go. I think it just comes down to using in the right situations and hopefully it shouldn’t be too big of an issue.
So you tested speed performance only. You didn't test anything else...
Why not test power? Test a fastener that pushes the limits of the impacts capabilities and see which fails and which succeeds.
I mean you could have predicted these results based on the rpm specs so im not sure what you actually did here...
So, I’m not really sure what your comment is here…
@@georgedavall9449 it requires comprehensive reading to understand.
Maybe next time. Sport.
@@mattek519 Hah! Nice try there Sport Shoes… I did understand, and my comment was merely a parody of parts of your somewhat sardonic comment. Try to be nice, wont you?
@@georgedavall9449 i blame your lack of emoticons for the misunderstanding.
@@mattek519 Good one! Take care
at the weight of the flex you may as well run a full size impact. I hope flex will come out with a smaller stack battery to add to the compacts that they just came out with. How does the ryobi compare to this group?
I haven’t tried the smallest Ryobi personally but I can’t imagine it would outperform the Ridgid given it’s specs and their relationship within TTI.
Very helpful video! I'm glad that you covered all three of DeWalt's (confusing) compact offerings! I can't understand why DeWalt continues to include the DCF809 in their 2-tool compact combo kits 🙄
Yeah there are much better offerings at the price point.
Which one was quieter?
In this class I typically find that the slower the motor spins the quiet it is, so probably the Dewalt.
@@TinkerWithTools Thanks!
Doesn't look like any but milwaukee and rigid is true compact, those other brands are same size as most regular impacts, but rigid is in my mind a diy tool lower performing tools
Compact impacts can be deceiving. Unlike drills impacts usually get smaller the more powerful and expensive they are.
Flex needs a 2ah stacked Lithium battery
I would love it but with the 3.5 already out there I am not convinced it’s likely that we will ever see it come to market.
How hot does the Milwaukee get or does it keep its cool? The fuel new gen get real warm or the two I’ve used did.
I posted temps in the first impressions video I did last week and it got pretty toasty, more than the M12 but in this testing I didn’t notice it. Given it’s size though I don’t know how you can possibly make the thermals all that effective.
Nice work, as usual. 🙂
Could be I've missed it, but have you (or anybody on UA-cam) done a SBS with Milwaukee's new 3650-20 compact impact driver vs their year-old 2953-20 driver?
Seems like a natural - and needed, except maybe for those who (foolishly) live and die by published specs - comparison, but a quick search hasn't turned up any.
I guess the new one is a bit (15%?) more expensive but when the 2953-20 was introduced., it surprised everyone and still gets mad respect vs all the competitors.
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I haven’t compared them only because they are vastly different levels of tools. Might have to do it at some point but I can tell you from using them back to back off camera the fuel still reigns supreme
I haven't found a 3650 v 2953 comparison either. You can find both of them against a dewalt 850 and both milwaukee tools seem to have almost the same advantage.
I have a 2850 brushless and prefer it over a 2953 for doing 1 3/4 flooring screws. It's so much lighter and fits my hand better. It looks like the 3650 is even lighter.
@@timothybayliss6680 let me see what I can do in the next week or two.
MHPT! MHPT! MHPT! The 840 & 850 are great also.
They had to have underrated the specs on that impact because it’s so much more impressive than it’s numbers. Really nice impact to use.
solid
@@TinkerWithTools I'd say it's the same, or similar motor/gearing as the Triple Hammer Bolt, just possibly using a different 2x Dog. Something like that anyway, keep the mfr cost down
Possibly. I am not an expert on tool tear downs but it would be interesting.
Is this m18 the same has the 3650-21p from home depot ? $99 sound like a good deal for me
Yes it is.
@@TinkerWithTools great im between this one and the dewalt 809 i like that quick release
I grabbed a kit of these new brushless Milwaukees and one thing I really like about the impact and drill is they both make the exact same power and rpm whether you use a 2.0 compact battery or a bigger XC5.0, they absolutely rip no matter what and they weigh very little.
Can i ask you about the Milwaukee M18CBLID-402C Compact Brushless Impact Driver I've been told that the brand isn't that good and they burn out and start smoking hope you dont mind me asking i normally use DeWalt tools but wanting to try something different as well as a different brand
I have never personally tried the US equivalent to that model but I just so happen to have an upcoming video where it will be going against the other M18 impact drivers.
As for the rest of the experience with other Milwaukee impact drivers I haven’t ever had one break down but that certainly doesn’t mean it doesn’t ever happen.
The milwaukee has the same motor as the fuel but a different hammer. So the Performance will skyrocket with a HO battery or a forge battery.
Have you taken it apart to see that. The two impact drivers are pretty different in shape so it would seem odd that they have the same motor.
Is it just me or are your total times for the Dewalt 809 wrong at @7:54 min in ? It shows time of 27.65 sec yet at @9:15 in shows at 20.26?? You get the times for the Ridgid and Dewalt backwards??
Yes. On the first set of results I inadvertently reversed those times for DEWALT and Ridgid.
I got into the dewalt cordless tools. I can't say I've used many other impacts. But if you like the brand you use keep using it. I do owe alot of m12 tools they awesome
Just bought the compact milwaukee kit at home depot for 99 bucks. What a little powerhouse. I picked up a couple of forge batteries as well.
When paired with the driver it is still smaller and less weight than my metabo with a 8ah. And it's faster at driving screws.
Which Metabo are you using? The triple hammer?
I’ve heard really good things about the Ridgid.
For some reason, the Ridgid impact drivers perform pretty well, but their drills don’t necessarily impress me.
Ridgid's impact drivers are strong but aren't super fast at a drive. It's almost the exact opposite of the Milwaukee. The Milwaukee doesn't have super high torque numbers but it does well in performance testing because of the speed.
@@TinkerWithTools The new 4 mode seems pretty impressive.
While I think your testing was fair, and mostly accurate, I think the comparison isn't. DeWalt, Ridged, and Milwaukee all focus their products towards a different industry, so saying that one is better than everything else because it can drive faster is incorrect. I would also like to point out that the the torque spec of the Dewalt is HIGHER than the Milwaukee (1850ish in-lb vs 1700 in-lb), but the Milwaukee has a higher RPM
Fair point.
@@TinkerWithTools That being said, If you have the capability and time, I would love to see a similar comparison that takes torque into account! It would be interesting to see how close those reported numbers are to reality, and how much of a difference (if any) it really makes.
Have to say, that DeWalt 809 surprised me a bit,as much as it got bad reviews on its performance i thought it performed better than the flex. Also,I would like to see all these brands held accountable when they exaggerate their tool specs. All of them are guilty at one point or another and for the prices they charge nowadays I think something got to give. Enjoy your channel bro, I think your best out of all of them really keep on grinding bro!
Thanks. I appreciate it. It’s performance surprised me but compared to the other compact options it’s actually a pretty big impact driver.
How smooth and comfortable is that compact Milwaukee? Video I watched shows a makita patent for stack lithium battery. It also had a patent for an impact driver that looks like dcf850. Im excited for lighter batteries from Makita.
It’s not as smooth as the Metabo HPT in this group but overall it’s not bad.
Left out Makita!😂 Japan made 173!😮 This blow it away!😊
I didn’t include the more premium impact driver from any of these brands. I have said it a few times that the more premium and impact driver is, usually the smaller it gets. The opposite is true for drills usually. But I’ll have to run the makita against the Milwaukee later this week to see how it stacks up.
I’m a Milwaukee guy til I die I have lots of their tools and never have an issue
I have had issues with a few of their tools, but given the number that I have tried, I wouldn't consider it an issue. And each time I have had an issue, the warranty has taken care of it and gotten the tool back up and running.
Thanks for the video. I don't really care for Ridgid cordless power tools, but to be fair, the Ridgid impact is marketed as sub-compact. I would not compare the Metabo or Makita sub-compacts tools to the compact Milwaukee compact tools.
Also could we keep the comparisons to a max of 3 tools per video or if you want to compare more than that, could you show us the highlights and the results. Your videos get kind of repetitive and I just end up skipping towards the end. Thanks again for making these videos.
Appreciate the feedback. Although the Ridgid is marketed as a subcompact it’s specs and size and right in line with these tools. It’s actually 3rd in terms of length and in person it looks most similarly to the Milwaukee.
What!? No, we can’t keep it to a max of three keep fast forwarding to the end the rest of us want to see it.
3600rpm and 4900ipm is insane!
I can imagine this would lead to overheating when driving larger fasteners, especially from such a small head?
With such a small body, heat dissipation will be a concern. I took temps on last weeks introduction video and the impact driver did get rather hot even compared to the M12
Hikoki 36v with 3 led lights
HiKoki(Metabo) 👍
Is the flex lighter than the competition?
Well your graph answered that for me, their tools are always heavier than the competition
The tool itself is heavier than the others but they do use metal where some use plastics. But the extra cell in the battery leaves this one noticeably heavier than the others.
The m18 was very impressive
There are obviously people that are strongly bred loyal, and will always find something negative to say about a competitors tool, but all of that aside Milwaukee never disappoints when it comes to their impact drivers. Weight to size to power ratio they’ve been leading the industry sense the GEN3 with their quarter inch impact drivers.
840 all day!
I’d like to see a comparison between that M18 and the Fuel gen 4. How is the trigger control on the new impact and Does it have two bearings in the collet?
A few people have asked for that so we might have to do a video on it in the future. As for the trigger it feels like a Milwaukee trigger. I haven’t had any issues with them. As for the collet, I’ll have to check and get back to you.
Just bought one today, and can confirm it has two bearings in the collet!
How’s that compact Milwaukee feel in the hand
I like it but I already liked other Milwaukee grips. If you like that you will like this. The head is small and compact so too big battery makes it feel unbalanced a little but it’s nice with the 3ah and 2ah.
That metabo hpt is half the price of the milwaukee and the dewalt in europe so this test is pretty good for the Hikoki
The Metabo HPT or Hikoki where you are is a great impact driver. It certainly impressed me more that I thought it would given the specs on paper.
@@TinkerWithTools Hikoki is phasing out the pure 18 volt tools and there are some great deal going on for the lower and mid tier 18 volt tools. Since the multi volt batteries work on those tool I'm gonna be stocking up on my tool kit.
What company do you recommend for prosumer grade?
I think that there are a few decent prosumer options out there. Ridgid has their LSA and has tools that are pretty competitive for the money. But I also like Metabo HPT. Some of their tools really compete at the pro level but I usually can get them on sales more easily.
Great video man!
I think the lack of speed modes and quick insert collet is a major minus to a home user, which will not use huge screws and needs a slow-medium working speed at most times.
Waiting for that compact drill video!
The 3 mode version of this would give you that control. It wasn’t available when I bought mine but it has the same specs. The quick insert collet is a negative but only two of these tools of the main 5 had it
🔴should I get this new compact m18 to replace my new gen 3 m12?
The gen 3 M12 is a more premium impact in terms of features. The lighting is better and it is lighter but this one will be beat it in driving speed. So I guess it depends on what matters more to you.
@@TinkerWithTools thx for the reply. I guess I'll have to try this impact out. I'll have to get the speed selector version of this m18 and try it out. I might just keep the m12 for the hell of it.
Can someone tell me what a quick insert collet means? Can you not snap the bits into all these?
Quick insert just refers to being able to insert the bit without having to manipulate the collet at all.
With the Milwaukee do you just have to pull the collet forward before inserting then?@@TinkerWithTools
Yes. Milwaukee has had it on their previously brushless models if I am not mistaken so I was surprised it wasn't included on this one.
Got it. Thanks. @@TinkerWithTools
I stand corrected, I was checking out the old brushless model and it also has the non-quick insert collet, so I guess it's nothing new coming from that model.
What about the Skil 12v and M12?
I have videos for those tools but this was specifically for the compact 18-24 volt tools.
Would like to see Hercules once in a while
They don’t have a compact 18v offering so weren’t included in this video. I put them on my list to feature in a future video.
I have the Lowe's 840 , i love it
It's a great impact driver.
a bit on the pricey side on the Milwaukee.
I think that if we see sale pricing at the holidays on a kit then it could make a lot more sense for people.
@@TinkerWithTools yea, but if you ask me what’s the best value from the get go, I would say Metabo or the Flex takes the cake. Shear power goes to Milwaukee.
Being an engineer, I selected the Metabo HPT wh18dc for two reasons: first, the design specification is not pushed to the limit, indicating that the engineering department prioritized dependability over peak performance; and second, the device is reasonably priced at $139 for two 2 amp and one 3 amp battery.
Being cynical, correlation does not imply causation. Whatever helps you sleep at night though.
What are you jibbers talking about Milwauks all day
You mention being an engineer, then proceed to spout nonsense. Why didn’t you mention you’re cheap since you brought up price. What does that have to do with your engineering capabilities? Lmao
The Milwaukee and Dewalt clowns are gonna hate on you for it.
@@Shaahman what he said was true
From my homeowner experience Metabo HPT is the best bang for your buck! I only used one battery when rebuilding my deck with the triple hammer impact driver. 40 boards and still a full battery gauge.
They make an impact that is just really nice to use!
Good ole 840, hard to beat
Given that it beats most of the other DEWALT impacts too I think it says a lot about the Milwaukee too.
I’ll take the td173 all day over all of those
It's a nice impact but you are paying a higher price that you pay for some of these. Impacts are always difficult when you talk compact impact drivers because often times the more premium an impact driver is, the more compact they get.
@@TinkerWithTools I got it for less than you may think on Amazon Jp
I bet. They have come down in price since they first came out. What did you pay?
@@TinkerWithTools it was just under 150. The shipping was like 30 bucks but I made up for that by adding a bunch of vessel insulated screwdrivers for comically cheap prices to eat the shipping costs
Yeah, I turn to eBay for them. It's 187 right now on there so roughly the same. they include shipping at that price and i have had good luck with the seller.
OK, regarding my impression and comment from the last video of the new M18 compact lineup, this has shifted my perspective a lot.
First off, the performance really is impressive vs it's primary competitors (it really doesn't have competitors except the much-larger Dewalt, and sort of the 850 for maximum compactness), but I really didn't have a good idea of just how compact it is until seeing it next to other compact impacts.
It also happens, in the time since the last video, that my brother (recently out of the service and starting off in civilian life) asked me for a recommendation for drill/driver brand to get into for use around the house, and the new M18 compact duo are looking like a great option if he wants to spend a little more than the Ryobi or brushed Milwaukee prices.
Are you planning on doing the M18 compact drill vs it's relevant competition also?
It really is impressive just how small it is. And yes the drill testing has been filmed and will likely be next weeks video.
@@TinkerWithTools awesome, thanks, your production tempo is much appreciated!
Where's my Makita?!?
Thanks for the video, great as always!
I don’t have the makita subcompact which is the comparable size product. With impacts you can go and get a small premium impact but then you are competitive on price typically.
Dewalt by far the quietest the ridgid the loudest the seemed the smoothest
The DEWALT is actually one of the louder drills in person (87 db). The Metabo was just a touch louder (88 db), the flex right in the middle at (84 db) and the Milwaukee (83 db) and the Ridgid (82.7 db) were the most quiet. The Metabo being the loudest makes some sense because it runs faster than any drill here.
@TinkerWithTools Going by the video the ridgid is way louder than all of them unless you changed the volume if you listen to this video using headphones the dewalt sounds like those oil filled impact drivers
Any adjustments to volume were done uniformly to all the video clips. As for the testing referenced above, that was done with a decibel meter at roughly 20” from each tool.
Dewalt 845?
That’s a more premium impact driver that is more comparable to fuel impact from Milwaukee.