CS2 player shocked by "unbiased" CS vs VALORANT comparison
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- Опубліковано 4 лис 2023
- Haix tried to make a fair CS and VALORANT comparison... but was it really unbiased?
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"Graphics you cant compare, completely different style" 100% Agreed
Definitely doesn't help how a large amount of people who are comparing these graphics likely haven't seen Valorant on max graphics, it looks a lot nicer and while still has the cartoony style actually has good graphics.
@@nzjamie the reality is: Games are meant for fun, Cs2 is very repetitive and valorant is unique for obvious reasons which makes the game entertaining. About the experience Valorant>Cs2
@@HeatCore9 You meant to say "Valorant is new so that's nice"
@@overlordshiina nah, concept
thats fair but i persoanlly think the cartoony style looks better as it matches the stiff animations better, if cs had nice smooth flowy viewmodel animations similar to new cod or tarkov (not saying it should) the realistic graphics would probably fit better but with the ultra realistic graphics + ultra simple unrealistic animations it just feels off imo
CS players talk more about Valorant than Valorant players talk about their own game lmao
rent free
Facts lol
Would have never been an issue if Valorant was never hyped up to be the “CS killer.” Then you have the Valorant stans just constantly saying that cs is a dead game because shroud has been saying it since 2017 and csgo fans clap back by saying anime CSGO is bad. And the cycle repeats.
Could care less about Valorant really. Game was super fun when it came out but fell off and I ended up back at CS. My main issue with Valorant is the community. And for whatever reason Valorant players act like Valorant was the first to do anything.
@@larry2281bruh have you seen cs community? They act like cs was the first to use guns in a game
@@jellibean7729 i mean CS is the originator and gold standard of tactical shooters and Valorant is quite literally a copy paste of CS lol. Can argue csgo is the gold standard for fps games in general. It’s the #1 by far imo in terms of gameplay, mechanics, competitiveness, etc.
But wasn’t referring to that. More of stupid shit like left hand viewmodel, mr12, certain peeks, etc. Whatever reason Valorant new gens just think Valorant started all that. I mean it’s whatever I know Valorant community is filled with a lot of people who’s first game or fps game is Valorant so.
When I'm in a bad opinions contest and my opponent is ohnepixels chat: 💀
literally, they just whine over how colorful skins = cringe and how no matter what CS will always be better than Valorant (they have never seen any Valorant gameplay and are highly biased to CS)
@@MemaJuuzoulmao. It’s so funny how the UA-cam comments on any Ohne related video is filled with the same type of people in his chat but from the Valorant side. Ur literally both as bad and insufferable as each other. The CS kids slightly less so because they’re actually playing a decent gamr
@@osvnisaneek8254 The thing is we aren't (or at least I'm not) calling CS a bad game whatsoever, i have never played it.
Don't you think it's ironic how you just called Valorant a not decent game while also saying Valorant players are more insufferable than CS players, yet you claim we're the ones being toxic and stuff? Think about that and tell me who's the toxic one again, cause i have never said a single bad thing about CS
@@osvnisaneek8254
reply to him bro.
Ain't no way your CS Ego is that shallow for you to not reply.
@@osvnisaneek8254Man, I played the two and Valorant has a better community, I played with good and chill people like a thousand of times, and CS in the first play they insulted everyone, lol.
kinda feels like valorant addressed many of the problems of csgo when in development, while csgo 2 basically just ignored them and added new features anyway
the majority of those features were to address the problems in csgo
@@hadiknaish9817 like what
@@hadiknaish9817subtick and their „new Anticheat”works hella well
Bro valorant has pretty much every problem cs has too and even more 😂💀
@@cuzimvanz1376 I played valorant and encountered 1 hacker per year, could you say the same about csgo?
Ohne’s chat try not to be the most biased playerbase: (Impossible)
rather have a broken game ty, than being with a bunch of 13 year old weebs and manchildren who edate and watch anime.
@@Kyxul funny how you say this while a lot of cs players have migrated to val, take it out your mouth ur choking on it
@@Kyxul funny how you call valorant players soft then wont admit which game is better because of “weebs” omegalul
@@Kyxul that's just cs without the edating lmao, have you never seen the anime pfp steam users?
@@Kyxulyou literally described CS but instead of edating they’re racist
The amount of comments accusing Haix of being biased to Valorant despite being a CS content creator absolutely blows my mind.
All the points were quite rational as well 😂 it’s like the ongoing console war
@@the1abstraktnah graphics point goes to val ez
@@User-qj4tvnot sure cuz I think graphics should be "???" Because you decide what you want to play and what you like better some people like CSGO graphics while some like valorant tho I will say that I don't appreciate the guy saying valorant looks like "Sh*t"
@@HunY_BuN nah its lile objectively better. people with worse pc setups do not have a disadvantage with valorants graphics. its not about the artistic aspect but rather accessibility
@@User-qj4tvthat would be optimization then, graphics is how the game looks, valorant is more cartoony colourful, lacks a voilent aspect, whereas csgo is very realistic with darker and aged colours, places feel abandoned and its much more voilent and darker in terms of graphics
"oh no, my game's color palette consists of more than brown and beige!"
Oh no how can you let that happen, that's too cartoonish. Real life is all grey and boring. Doesn't matter if its a game. It should not have any colors or unique abilities
@@Techtinkerer3D oh no, too many colors!! it's too gay ahhhh!!!
@@Techtinkerer3D aah its burning im allergic to colors !!!
@@Techtinkerer3Dahhhh i have diabete to colors
@@Techtinkerer3D dumbest shit on this side of the galaxy
whats funny is he was very unbiased in most of his ratings and ohnes chat was the most unhinged
I was hoping people would finally realize that more realistic ≠ better graphics, there are so many games, especially indi games that have stylish graphics and they're beautiful
No water physics,no dynamic smokes,0 details and its better than cs2 ok man cope more
@z0rden_ water physics just made my PC fry and you can't turn it off. But I wasn't "team valorant" I was saying in general. Did you read my comment?
@@Banex01gosha fortnite have the same artistic style and also have the best graphics on a online game so artistic style doesnt means you need to shit on graphics thanks if you got it
@@z0rden_ that's with nanite ,volumetric lighting ,ray tracing ect, unless you have a super computer ur playing on the lowest possible settings, I have a 2080 and on the lowest settings and config you can get at 1440p I don't even 165 frames in game
@@viscus9488 cs2 can do those without those tech so whats the problem I can get 120 fps in certain places with a 950 mobile the only thing is they need to give us a newer fsr and a setting to lower the water details but valorant sucks on it when you look the game expect bloom and stupid epileptic effects its just a play-doh so if youre talking about graphics non of the esports game can give you those graphics with that much optimisation
It’s crazy how the CS community is so closed minded. The fact that Valorant exists, makes them so unhappy. What a bunch of unhappy individuals.
Actually, we don't give a f*** but sure, whatever you say.
@@daanishgupta 😂 Okay buddy, tell that to every CS comment and videos talking badly about Valorant simply because the game exists, and the CS community just somehow feels threatened by the very existence of Valorant
@@freddie4682 I don't want to and neither need to cause that's their opinion. Free country, right?
@@daanishguptawell their opinion just proves his point no? 😂😂😂
@@daanishgupta you seem like a very unintelligent person. this is not a court. free country is irrelevant in a public discussion. you can say whatever you want, but you are literally proving his point that cs players are closed minded.
I just want to fix something he said in the video, valorant's anti cheat actually did ban people when they weren't cheating, albeit very rarely. It happened because of a certain program a razor mouse uses. Something to do with the macros. I had a friend be banned for a year, and I know of 3 other cases of it happening. One where one of my other friends was able to contact support and get his account back.
True
Yep. I watched some dasnerth content back in the day and decided to try and play on a controller as well, which requires a program to do so
Anti-cheat banned me for the program, without any regard as to what it’s for
As far as I know, dasnerth never received a ban for using the same software, so that’s fun.
@@counterfeit4450 I don't know if you even want to, but if you make a ticket asking for a unban they solve your problem pretty quickly. Riot usually has a very good support.
it can ban for any excessive file in the game's one, my friend got banned just for using screen width changer, and it was in the game's file. That could be the reason
Own fault lol@@counterfeit4450
when it comes to movement in general cs2 takes the point, but if we make it more specific and look into neon movement, I think it could be on cs2 level. Its such a hard thing to actually master but once you do, you change the speed of the entire game, and since so little players play neon, and even less players have mastered neon movement it makes that specific type of movement in valorant hella fun. with a LOT of possiblities
Bro, val got Raze satchels, Omen peek Tps, Neon Bhops, Jett dashes........ Yes they all are Ability based but once you MASTERD just these few itll take a while imo. The movement part obv. was just read knowlegde but not actual gameplay knowleadge :D
I think valve should rework some of the underused guns or completely useless guns like the m249
bizon also
also cz75, revolver, mp5sd
@@roxinim6479I use CZ a lot you just have to decide what you are gonna do. Like where are you going to play with it esspecially in eco rounds. You just have to get used to the gun and decision making while you are using it. The shittiest part is reloading time but if it had less reloading time it would be overpowered too. Gun is balanced and too useful if you play calmly
@@roxinim6479 mp5sd is pretty good
we have casual players who use m249 quite often. I've played casual for 500+ hours, and community servers like zombie mode and m249 is crucial nil
His chat is so goddamn biased lmao. They can’t imagine a game where cheaters get banned and the majority of people are friendly, and when they aren’t, they get banned
As valorant player I want to ask 1 thing: where tf do you find toxicless high elo lobby in valorant? I swear at the end and at the beginning of each act there are so many throwers who start crying literally for nothing. Peeked wrong? You get the whole game dude crying because of how “boosted” his teammates are and he doesn’t care that he’s not doing much himself. Didn’t single-handedly won attack side as duelist? Duelist diff instantly and no one cares that initiators didn’t even spent any of their ability to help duelists entry the site and etc. give me your lobbies I want to go there
@@cloke3076i dont know what you consider high elo, but i’d consider it as immo2+. in those ranks, most people know how to okay the game well enough where most wins/losses aren’t bc of “boosted” players or auto locks, so people are less toxic when winning or losing since it’s usually js a skill diff. in lower elo (plat-dia) wins/losses are less about general skill and more about how many people on each team actually know how to play the game well. not to say there isn’t toxicity in high elo, but most people have played the game enough where they can cope w a loss and accept that they js weren’t as good (usually)
Majority of people are not friendly on valorant. It changes with rank.
@@cloke3076i play in high immortal low radiant lobbies and i gotta say, people are a lot friendlier. Over my past 40 games ive only probably had 3 people be toxic assholes. There arent that many people in my elo so its easy to remember names and voices and people in the esports scene will remember too.
@@cloke3076 What would be "high rank" for you? I would consider immortal 1 or 2 to be high elo there
I played both before my big thing with the movement is that there are abilities in Valerint specifically for different movement tech which should give it some depth more than I would say CS go has
The best part about CS is the simplicity imo, just good old aim and shoot.
Valorant is a well made game and I enjoyed it but shooting felt secondary.
I dislike that model with Valorant. Feel like Riot will always try and one up on "new cool flashy abilities"
while CS will have that longevity being a true competitive FPS game
I've played CSGO since 2014 and Valorant since beta and they're literally completely different games. CS2 clearly has a lot to work on and I found myself missing CSGO's movement and gameplay but neither one could keep me as intrigued as Valorant has and personally think that it is because Valorant adds their new agents, maps, and map changes so frequently that it actually changes the meta and gameplay entirely. On the other hand some people enjoy that CS doesn't change much and that's fine, just not my kind of thing. Overall, both games are great and they both play in their own style, and I'm not sure why people hate on one or the other.
They're not completely different imo. Clearly both fall in the same genre. They're different but not COMPLETELY different.
val community is more toxic and just straight up cringe, where cs is flooded with russians who rarely speak or just speak russian lol
at least imo
@@sannii2222saying the Val community is more toxic is like saying Jesus was white. I played one game of cs and was called about 8 racial slurs it took me at least 20 games of val before I came across anyone toxic
@@sannii2222I don’t think so personally. I play Valorant and first time I play CS2 and someone was already calling another person the hard r.
The people in Valo suck but I get cash to play valo so fair due fair due I like CSGO more due to the fact agents do not exist it is just skill
As a nice valorant player, I'm very glad the community of CS is on CS :)
PRX is probably the only team that feels like they're playing CS lmao
it feels like the "battle" between league and dota. CS players out there trying to compare and tell how their game is better. Meanwhile valorant players just playing valo.
Why
@@osmanmadfrfr toxic af bro
@@iDreamFly3rZz and ? aslong as you dont recive death threats u should be fine, grow a pair my guy. a game witout toxic coms is not even fun to play
Agree with a lot of what is said here. But if you have no idea how every single agent specific util is used then you will have an insanely hard time learning valorant.
As someone who got into gaming later than a lot of my friends, Valorant is way more accessible than CS in terms of using your character’s util effectively. Starting on CS:GO and having to learn different lineups for different tick rates and not feeling like a kill has any real impact on how a round plays out pushed me away from tac shooters until Valorant dropped.
@@TheCoinFlipp cs2 and valve took notes from riot and valorant, cs2 is now a game of map flow and area superiority, knowing lineups helps ten thousand times over but an awp pick on mid changes the enemies map decision making abilities incredibly just off that one shot alone. Smoking entry ways the same way I would listen for intel and sage wall main entries or walling mid, it’s all the same shit, it buys time, forces smoke pushes, gives them harder angles to hit shots and you setup for the crossfire…. Mollying bomb like brimbstone late round is insanely effective too. The game has changed sevenfold, if they could fix the hackers and and the queuing system the game would be back in proper shape but valve is killing themselves right now….
@@TheCoinFlipp you should play cs2 my friend…
@@TheCoinFlipp in competitive games in cs2 your top fragger is at the top because of damage and damage alone. That literally still means absolutely nothing, kills are what win rounds and keep map superiority to keep your advantage. So what that means is, taking picks and forcing rotations early to mid or late round is very very crucial in counter strike now, gameplay is much slower live valorant
its not that hard learning what all agents do
about the chat ban, in valorant the chat and voice comms abuse ban is implemented LIVE in the matches, its common for it to happen that if someone is thrashin immediatelly afterwards they get comms banned for the rest of the match
same happens for cheaters, the 3 games i have played with cheaters they get banned mid match and it doesnt effect your rank
Always fun to see how cs players always argue for cs skins because of trading, conveniently ignoring the huge amounts of underage gambling it has created
Zzzzzz
I wanted to open cases when I was a kid but my country blocked lootboxes in games so I can buy cases but can't open them
Blaming the devs instead of bad parenting. ESRB ratings exist for a reason bro
Gambling is fun, even for a kid. It's not like you have a lot of money to lose as a child, anyway.
@@kylre You seriously expect every boomer parent to keep up with what games their kid is playing and how it works?
I played Valorant with a friend. Didn't like it much as I prefer CS2 as I am tired of ability shooters. However, one thing I really liked about Valorant was the number of gamemodes available. CS2's gamemodes rn are so limited. I wish we had team deathmatch, a "spike rush" like gamemode in CS2 instead of the 10v10 casual, and the community servers again. I am still not great at CS2, so I wish these gamemodes existed so I can get a better feel for the game. Deathmatch I can't really learn how to 1v1 cause I get shot in the back when I spawn. In casual there are too many players to get players used to the 5v5 competitive modes. At the moment CS2 is not newbie friendly
I treat casual 10v10 like those Yprac maps if you've seen them. Literally jiggle peak every angle possible and imagine there's someone there. Thing about casual is enemies hold the most obvious (Strong) angles to compensate for their lower skill level. Thats perfect for practice entry fragging and fighting since there is peekers advantage. Enemies also rather stack like more than half the team on a single bomb site bc most casuals are scared to lurk or walk around.
Valorant's tdm are annoying bc u can use abilities/utils. Its deadmatch ffa however doesnt hve utils
Valorant's gamemodes are absolutely incomparable to CSGO but is better than CS2 but CS2 just released so
@@reixieu cant use abilities in dm😭
It's back
Its so funny to read Ohne´s Chat during the pauses and seeing how buyest and Hardcore-Antival they are XDD
Appreciate your neutrality.
I agree with the ??? on graphics. Valorant takes inspiration from sci-fi and Anime, hence why the graphics look that way. Just a different style. CS2 does have beautiful water and smoke, though.
Re skins, the Steam marketplace is genius, whereas Valorant only sells skins B2C... but, with the exception of the various knives, the CS skins are basically a coat of paint. The Valorant skins change the shape, animations, and behavior of the guns (although not in a way that would impact the outcome of a game). I think that aspect is worth considering.
Idk why people hate so much on one or the other, I’ve played alot more valorant than cs but both are great games imo
Also, this is the most unbiased version of ohne I’ve ever seen
except for the Skins part
@@ofiscal4711 well ohne is literally a gambling addict and he probably feels emotionally connected to his skins because of it every cs gambler will defend the skins in cs with their life lol
there is not one or the other, it is a one-sided hate from cs players, most of val players don't care about val that much let alone cs existence.
@@agav2345calling him a skin addict and then buying 100$ skin just for it being priced that much
@@agav2345To be fair tho since you can't trade Valorant skins they won't ever be worth anything, also many people dislike that the skins change the guns so much.
Imagine new players dont know how toxic it was when you could talk to enemy players in the voice chat after the game and at halftime.
that was the funniest part of cs tho i was so sad when they removed it
Soy people who don't even play the game anymore couldn’t handle it.
LOL that was a thing? They need to bring that back 😂
Legendary, i wish they bring this back
The part that made CS fun
what is this number at left top on ohnepixel stream?
I play both games and I agree with all those arguments. I'm a recent CS player and when i switched from Val to CS I felt the movements and fluidity were amazing, and spray patterns are fire also.
But about skins I disagree they are expansive and honestly visually just basic recolors lmao. However what CS does better is that you can sell you weapons again. Some Valorant skins are gorgeous but expansive and almost a scam tbh
No shot the cs skins are made by hundreds of artist who are paid very well for there work like 6 figures. Val is 10 devs making ai generated looking skins half the time, not to mention how overpriced the val skins are. are some val skins kinda cool sure but half of it is repeated garbage
Honestly, if CS2 would have 128 tick rate, better anti-cheat system and on the top of that punishement system for toxic players it would be so much easier to play this game.
Idk, it feels like this 3 things are not even that hard to acomplish, it's more like Valve don't want this game to be more user friendly.
Valve cant change the community, so they are attracting other playerbases, and its working very well, ive seen very little fumets
The problem is that a lot of people actually enjoy csgo more because their toxic personalities can go unchecked. In Valorant someone told me my deserves cancer so I reported him. The moment the game was over he was banned.
In Csgo you can literally say whatever you want. Faceit and ESEA are doing what valve should be doing. Once Valve changes these things, a lot of people will quit.
"PuNiShMeNt FoR tOxIc PlAyErS" please, keep playing Valorant and stay away from CS. We don't want CS to become a politically correct leftist soy hellhole just like Valorant.
i need the toxicity honestly, it's not csgo without some chinese or russian guys screaming at my face
@@noodles7422 exactly
As a Valorant player/coach, I love CS2 and CSGO a ton. Whenever I get tired of the randomness of Valorant, or want a more precise/realistic shooter feel, I always return to CS. However, the altogether feel of Valorant is just a bit more my style, and I think thats what people in this conversation are missing. THEY ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TYPES OF TAC FPS GAMES.
Idk why ppl think CS2 is more realistic. If you want realistic play Rainbox six siege
@@motesergulin517 and even then, Rainbow isn't realistic enough from some standpoints but it is probably the most 'realistic' tac fps
That is exactly why I switch between the two games, sometimes I just can't handle how complex agent interactions and abilites are in Valorant and just want to shoot people.
@@yodaorcamaster_6358just play cod xd
@@yodaorcamaster_6358 sadly drawn back by the gameplay loop, ass anti cheat and servers, otherwise rainbow six is honestly so fun i really enjoy it
I don’t play either but I will say that the skin community in cs is better because there is money to be made however in terms of actual looks valorant imo is better, they’re also more accessible and almost all are very unique from what I’ve seen with their cool animations
for the esports category for me personally i think the atmosphere of cs esports is more electric and the crowds are more insane but i enjoy watching the valorant games more since theyre more unpredictable and more insane plays that happen
100p agree, csgo game live but for pure entertainment value I love valorant because the unpredictability is so fun to watch.
yeah that is because valorant is new therefore they are uncovering new strategies, csgo is an old game so barely anything changes and you really cant expect aces as often as valorant pro matches have because you dont get healing or abilities to buff you, its just your gun and thats it
Recently switched to valorant and you don't know how nice it is to not have cheaters in your lobby constantly
Yes it's the best. As a casual player who just want's to sit down and enjoy a game after a stressful work, I can't afford to have cheaters on my lobby.
You’re just bad
@@commie_remover sure 💀
its good that you dont have your pride or personality based on a certain videogame you play unlike a certain community where they complain everything about that game but dont play it but also complain its a copy yet complain anything thats different
@@commie_remover dawg wants me to headshot cheaters
Regarding the tickrates, as someone who had 8k hours in csgo and now starting Valorant (600 hours so far) the hit reg in valorant is at least 20x better than it is in cs.
When you aim somewhere you hit 99% of the time. So you just have to git gut....
Since cs2 I decided to come back to it, and honestly, it feels horrible. It is one of the worst gaming experiences I've ever had in a shooter.
Cheaters are nowhere in valorant. In all of the games I have played, I have met a SINGLE cheater. And a handful of suspicious people.
Like they shoot to smokes just a little too much, but we all know it's possible to just know your angles.
For the statistics, I find it kind of funny how you said "In csgo the community does it" as if it's a good thing Valve releases a game and then lets everyone else fix it for them.
I've spend years on cs servers and faceit servers. And I have always had issues with how little Valve actually does for us. You can't even check your average KD and stuff in cs. It's just painful to see that shit in one of the biggest esports.
Guns in csgo are btter because it's real guns. That's honestly it. Everyone who keeps saying there is no spray pattern in valorant is lying. There is a base pattern that is being followed, but you bullets may deviate a little. you always have the same pattern, but you just have to "get lucky" with bullet placements. This makes the game a lot more difficult and combine that with the tickrate and lack of cheaters, and you have better gunplay in valorant....
And lastly, I really like how you tried to be as non-biased as possible. I really think 99% of the cs players don't want to play valorant, because they are scared they'll enjoy it or scared they won't be perma top score anymore. Which was honestly one of the reasons I didn't want to touch valorant for a long time.
Once I decided to quit csgo because of the horrible community, I launced valorant and was met with nice people who actually trying to help me out as a starter.
While it's human nature to compare alternatives I highly recommend jumping into Valorant and dropping the bitchboy bias the twitch chat has. If you look at Valorant as a standalone game, and not a copy of CSGO. The only reason people even call it a copy, is because it's a 5v5 shooter with a bomb.
The spray pattern is random but you can somewhat control it still
For example the Vandal (=AK) The only fix pattern is the first 5-6 bullets going up but after that its randomly gonna go left or right
the only thing that sucks regardless of tick rate is built in rng with bloom mechanics. sucks you can be still in valorant, tap a head perfectly still and there's still a chance it misses.
People are gigantic in val lol
Cs is not that friendly to newer player too . Literally just downloaded the game and try to get a feel on playing the game in casual game mode and people literally kick me for having a 0 3 kd and this is in CASUAL man
@@mirun3296 CS is simple as fuck. it is new player friendly.
11:02 bro is onto something here, queue times would probably be very bad but this would be amazing, especially if done similarly to how battle royale games do it.
Excellent video, very entertaining and down to hearth, all giving an honest opinion, you got a subscriber
Honestly fair Points made. WHat I like about Valorant is the many different strats you are able to do. Thats why the e-sport is so interesting. Its not as much about aim as cs and therefore able to shift the focus a bit.
Let's be real - the same handful of agents get used over and over. It's not like people are busting out crazy new strategies all of the time. And yes, aim is just as important if you want to get better.
@@hecticphusion First Off, have you ever watches pro Play? Especially Teams Like PRX Develop crazy plays and even manage to Turn an F Tier Agent into a rlly good one. Also ofc AIM IS important in a Shooter but I got ascendant 3 while Not having crazy good AIM.
@@hecticphusion yea says the one who got 10 kayos in the same lobby
bro has never seen PRX. throw any agent at them 5 duelist sure they will do some crazy strats with it its fun watching teams who break meta
@@hecticphusion Yes they do lmao, at the moment, it's like 15/19 agents are used in pro play depending on the map, and i'm not even talking about PRX
Chat glazing CS as the game is in the worst state it has been in years
Condition zero deleted scenes times:
@@z0rden_We don't talk about cz
@@z0rden_ that game was great though....
The panic from ohne at the end was legendary 😂😂
that thing about getting banned or muted in cs, idk about cs2 but in csgo you could get mm 7 days ban if you got many reports and be muted every match you played and the team needed to unmute u
I’ve loved cs for a long time and I like the community more but when it comes to competitive gameplay the good servers and anti cheat as well as a fairly decent ranked system make climbing in valorant much more appealing I hit global and high immo and overall I think my climb was more rewarding in Val that being said I haven’t played either game in over 6 months and have been casual for some time before that so I don’t know the current state of the games that well
I love people who play both sides and make fun of both
“im going to give the true unbiased opinion”
“i’ve never watched valorant esports”
“csgo esports are way better we should get that point”
(don’t hate on me, i like both games equally i just find it funny”
I would also highlight the history of the world in Valorant, Easter eggs on the maps, details about the plot, spoilers for future maps or heroes
for esports ive always enjoyed watching valorant matches more than cs matches. cs matches always just felt the same to me. for valo it felt like each match was completely different just due to what agents were picked, ive just found valo to be a more enjoyable watching experience.
also prefer playing valo over cs, i have more hours in cs
For me, I feel like CS is way easier to watch just because there's less to care about. In Valorant, it's so hard to spectate in the first place (I tried spectating multiple custom games) because there's so much happening and because movement is not as predictable as in CS (Some agents can fly into sites and instakill someone) whereas in CS, you can swap your spectate once you see signs of an execute. Sometimes Valorant looks like a "swap pov" nightmare of flying abilities with some gunplay in between POV swaps and exploding abilities.
@DigiHydro Yea cs is easier to watch for me as well, but val is more interesting because there's so much more to consider in the strategy every round. And even when teams mirror match comps they way they play those agents might be totally different depending on their strategy. So I tend to watch val way more than cs.
Valorant is extremely boring to watch for me. Same shit every game and there’s no excitement. The commentators are just not it either. Just seems like pro play in Valorant is just a mess and scene is terribly ran by Riot. Definitely a game I rather play than watch. For cs I can Watch or play it but with the current state of cs2 I just rather not play the game anymore unfortunately.
I dont know what youre talking about, maybe its because ive watching val esports since the beginning but there isnt that much util spam that frequently unlike overwatch or something that its unberable to watch. 1 or 2 rounds out of a single game is when those rounds play out where they use 2 or 3 ults at the same time with smokes everywhere, otherwise 95% of the time its easily understandable and readable of whats happening.@@DigiHydro
@larry2281 i don't really get confused that much while watching a valorant, but they have one of the worst commentators I've ever seen in esports history. They have no feelings while doing commentary, meanwhile like cs, lol, the commentators are hype as hell. I easily get bored watching a valorant live/tournament .
Personally when it comes to the skin argument i dont think the reselling part ahould come into play. Skins are *originally* just meant to be cosmetics. I think saying cs skins are better than valorants just because you can sell them and make loads of money completely defeats the purpose of skins in the first place.
L take
W Take, but Skins in VALORANT are overpriced to shit imo, but hey, I also respect that the game was f2p from Launch and there is no p2w system so pricey skins is fine for me since its voluntary.
As an OG player of both games, I gotta say skins are good in both with different positives. The ability for RIOT to add animations and new weapon designs with each skin design is super cool and any CS frogs who say otherwise are just deluded. Of course, CS skins have my heart but I dont think the two are comparable since they're very different but neither is bad.
@@aburn9891 The valorant dragon sitting on a dildo instead of an actual gun is the ugliest most out of place shit I've ever seen. Valorant skins are the cringe level of CSGO Agents turned up to 100
@@bollocks121 explain why
@@aburn9891 they are a bit overpriced, especially since you need radianite to even get them to their full upgrades, but often the battle pass has decent skins for most every gun
2seconds clip of my iom sheriff on low graphics has more details than any clip of cs that's ever been out.
i have like 600h in val and never met a cheater
5:13 chat can't believe it because vac is so bad
I mean me personally ive seen no havks so fsr
i have like 4 times as much hours in Valo then in cs and have met more cheaters in cs (1 in Valo only)
How do you know that people arent soft cheating without a replay system?
@@bebeyakkkbecause the anti cheat actually works unlike valve
@@bebeyakkk cause the system from riot would ban them like he said in the Video
brother ur either low elo ur coping. valo cheaters just hide it better than cs, shit loads of them in high elo
@@sythe_ee6676wait until you find out premium cheats exist and that you can actually hide that you’re cheating.
Valorant AC works well, as it runs in kernel-level. But then again, if you make your own cheat start before the actual anticheat starts (launching it right at boot in kernel), the cheat can be fairly undetected. They do have a very good "fog of war" system where you can only see people that are really close or right around the corner. I've simplified some terms, but I have personally seen it done as a software engineer myself, it's some fascinating shit.
It also means that if you want to get access to PC of a valorant player, you only need to break vanguard, no need to do anything with Windows itself.
@@wumi2419 This is very true. It's really intrusive. It would have been better if it and the game ran inside of a container/VM or something along that line. The software can do basically anything it wants.
Starting before the anti cheat does not make the cheat undetected lmao
@@ssarkos5148 It's not the main reason, no. It's a lot more complicared. But a kernel-level cheat is one of the few ways of making the process itself invisible.
unfortunately wallhacks are still very powerful because of the sound
5:36 This was pretty much my experience when i started cs:go back in 2018. I played a lot of casual and in my first game there was like a guy who was just spinbotting on me
I have a thousand hours in both games i've only seen the cheater detected screen once in valorant.
same
@@Vee-mj6rli've played valorant more than 2000 hours but i have only met cheaters twice...the only problem i think is valid is smurfing
@@gozillaeditssmurfing is a problem in any game.
@@cloke3076 yeah but you need to buy prime to play competitive in cs and that Saves You from Smurfs Most of the Time
Bro said hes gona be unbiased 💀
We cant sell our Valorant skins because we dont have to gamble for them
If CS 2 did not had cases but instead had a systen like Valorant where you dont have to gamble for a knife skin you probably would not be able to sell your skins too.
It’s funny first day of cs2 for my friend very first game we had two cheaters, just hope cs gets it together lol
This is been a issue for a decade now
Whole reason y I clicked the video was to see a real talk on the skin
same lmao
i like some of the animations that different skins give guns. only advantage gun wise in valorant
Skins honestly should be a "?".
Which skins you like is entrirely dependent on you so that shouldnt be a point to either game.
Then for CS skins being resellable, sure thats good cause if i get bored of a skin i can just sell it but a normal player wont be able to ever get their favourite skins. Even if they could sell it later most people wont put 1000s of dollars into skins. In valorant you can get the best skins for max 30-40$
Naaah bro cs skins are DEFINETLY better. Floats, wears, cases, stickers, marketplace, 3rd party websites, phases, rare patterns, and more. Cs solos
when he says skins he means the system, fortnite shop isnt good rotation shop isnt good. Skins arent unique in valorant. its what the other guy said, theres more depth to it.
The resale is a big plus for CS, but unfortunately the shady kid's casino background leaves a stain on an otherwise incredible system.
@@Kajetanpsikuta have you heard of an "opinion"?
@@bobthegoat760 if he means system then CS definietely wins. If it includes price, animations, effects etc it could go either way
For me, the biggest problem with CS2 seems to be the performance of my AMD system. I'm running a Ryzen 5 3600 CPU, RX 6700 XT GPU, and 16GB 3200 DDR4 RAM and I can't push the game beyond 100-144fps on a 4:3 aspect with the settings all set to low-mid. This really does seem to be an issue with CS2 because when I play OW2 or any other E-Sport title I get the frames that I'm expecting (around the 200-300 FPS range). So I very much hope that they will fix these issues soon because the game isn't really that fun when it's constantly dropping frames especially when you have a system like min that's not ultra overpowered but should be easily getting 200 or even 300+ FPS in CS.
I dont know about AMD drivers for CS2, but I'm on a 1070ti and i get more than 200fps still. I do have a 5850x3d and 32GB ram but I feel like you definetly should be getting more than 144fps on ur setup, maybe check AMD for new drivers and shit, this could be completely unrelated to CS2 itself.
I get more with a gtx 1650 lol, they really need to fix the performance with amd gpu
Just cpu.
I dont know that much about hardware and things, but I think your PC has a LOT of bottleneck because of your CPU. I mean, I get 80-100 FPS just with my 5 5600g integrated graphics and 8GB 2666 DDR4. Even with a GTX 1650 you should get more FPS than 120.
Try to upgrade your CPU, and check for new drivers.
Bro has my exact specs wtf
as a game dev tick rate, is such a pain in the ass, if u double it, your cpu is gona be on fire, especially with source engine which is not as optimized for that tickrate, such as unity or ue
I just wanted to add that similar to the guy who he talked about getting their first ever CS experience with a cheater, I loaded into a death match for a little bit before playing a comp game. The first comp game I played had 7 cheaters in it. The fact that I, as a legit played, was part of the minority of that lobby
Not me misspelling “frag” in Val and getting full comm banned for a few hours
what u spell it as to get freaking banned
@@soggypancake001remove the r?
Yeah and I only misspelled ginger and got perm banned 😡
i find the skins in valo better tbh. more variation in looks than just a recolour
Same, but I think it's mostly subjective so I'd probably put it in a "???" tier.
I agree it looks better but especially with the most recent bundle costing 100 fucking dollars the price is too much
The valo skins are better imo but the trading and cases makes the win go to cs@@hipunpun
Haha knives in CS can be outrageously priced too, both games have expensive skins!
@@hipunpunyou can sell a cs knife
As a mostly valorant player I can see both sides, but the biggest thing that made me change was anticheats
On valorant there is a system called "fog of war", which allows you to see an enemy only if atleast a pixel of his model is shown on your screen, otherwhise the game dosent render the visual model, therefore making wallhacking very hard
Val got rid of trio and 4 stack in immortal because it's been a big problem of the trio and 4 stack not communicating to the random(s) on their team. Also, a 5 stack can play against a 5 stack or a 3+2
Also, for the skins section, I really think that it should be 2 categories: aesthetics and value. Valorant skins imo are much better aesthetically because of the unique sounds, passive effects, and some having finisher animations. However, CS skins are better in the value department because they aren't as expensive (technically) and you can actually get your money back from them.
Then for community servers, why is it even a category when Valorant literally doesn't even have it? It just seems like he's trying to get CS points where they are the only game with the category integrated. Cheap category that shouldn't be there.
But claiming that cs skins are worth more is really daring. Even if the skins in Valo are more expensive, at least you know what skin you're getting for your money. In CS a skin can cost thousands of euros even though it's not worth nearly that much, simply because of those stupid boxes you have to open. So if you're lucky you'll get a skin cheaply and if you're unlucky you won't get a skin at all.
@tornbreeze7467 but valorant skins have 0 real world monetary value is my point
neither does cs skin... even if you can sell them again, they only have this value as long as cs exists. And no one can tell me that the game will exist forever.
? No 5 stacks can't face a 3+2, 5 stack got his own queue since a while now idk what you're talking about here
@@tornbreeze7467 huh? how does that make sense, if it exists, it has value. Its like saying the dollar is worth nothing because one day it will be replaced with another type of currency
The reason I don’t like valorant isn’t because small parts of the game say tick rate or stuff like that. I just don’t like the CC and all the different flashes in game. I like spectating valorant but hate playing more than one game in a session. I hate cc in fps games.
CC means abilities?
@@teawithmilk5517cc stands for crowd control. Usually abilities that hinder your moving and shooting. Think the concussion effect or a Chamber slow field. Things that apply the vulnerability effect can be considered cc by some
@@hermitharry15 oh thanks now i understand why he hates it,i freaking love launch val and get stunned by 3 different characters and flashed by 6 different flashes in a row
@@teawithmilk5517your eyes were okay after that?
Can't every player buy flash grenades in CS?
In reality, it's usually a bad team comp to have too many initiator characters in Valorant (those equipped with flash grenades).
As a result in higher rank games you run into less of this issue.
That said, your experience of being flashed/slowed repeatedly is a valid issue.
But I'd argue those are just inexperienced players, and hypothetically this could occur in a CS game with less experienced players too.
17:21 “That should be our point 100%”
Earlier: “I’ve never watched a Valorant tournament so I don’t know what it is like” 💀💀
This is also related to the kind of money involved in CS and has a much wider base as well. As a result, it makes sense to spend time developing cheats for CSGO. This way you get a good return on investment
Not saying that CS skins are bad or anything, but the point of there being a literal economy revolving around trading skins for insane amounts of money applies to CS because they use lootboxes and many more tiers of rarity than Valorant. Point being, I prefer valorant's skin system not because they're better, but because I don't have to gamble or spend ridiculous amounts of money to get the skin I want, I can just wait for it to appear in my shop.
But you can buy the knife skin you want for 500£ in the steam marketplace...
I do want to say that Valorant has a pretty good record of banning most cheaters before they hit high elo, but in lower elo you'll hit cheaters slightly more than 2/500 games. It takes the anti-cheat some time to identify cheaters, and even when they're identified they don't get banned right away, Riot tries to get them in waves so its harder for devs to identify what got their cheats penalized.
If you grind your way to higher elo games, though, cheaters are quite rare I agree, its difficult for a cheater to climb that high without attracting lots of scrutiny.
Also I want to add that because of inconsistent gun spray patterns, its a lot harder for cheaters to spinbot in valorant because holding down the trigger gives you random spread that the aimbot can't predict. Cheaters in Valorant have to tap fire, and will miss occasionally.
in low elo, smurf is bigger problem that cheater themselves
some dude in his chat said "CS with hackers still better xdddd" 💀💀
Cheating is the main reason why I'm playing Valorant over other games. I don't like Valorant shooting mechanics. I would much prefer to play COD or Apex. But there's rampant cheating in both. Also some games like Apex and CS just have such a high skill ceiling to get started due to the long playing sweats.
I want a new FPS that's a combo of COD shooting mechanics with Valorant strategty/abilities... and Valorant's cheating system.
Fr, valorant is so much easier for new players to get into.
one of the biggest issues i actually noticed while playing valorant is that there are too many abilities and agents, Yea of course its causing for more meta changes and strategies being changed, but its so incredibly painful playing against a stun and flash heavy team it actually sometimes make me want to kms. I think valorant is a more strategic game vs csgo being a mechanic heavy game (aim, movement shit like that)
the thing tho with Valorant with the abilities and agents, half of the agents have the same abilities as others but just in different forms (flashes on phoenix, skye, breach, yoru, etc. for example) and in CS, EVERYBODY can have a flash EVERY round if they want
As the other guy said, many of the abilities have the same concept. Everything falls in the same categories, they look different but perform the same function.
And after a while you get used to every ability and understanding them/ countering them becomes second-hand knowledge. For a new player it can be intimidating but it gets much simpler with time.
While many a lot of their skills can be categorized but the problem if you're a noob like me. You'll be confused on whose who flashes or smokes in the enemy.
yea its annoying but u juest need to learn to play against somthing like that, every team has a weakness
As a Valorant player and new to tactical FPS (and FPS in general) I can confidently say the main reason I enjoyed Valorant the most over CS is because the barrier of entry was lower and getting into a lobby with people having similar game hours as me instead of 15k hours knowing everything about the game made it way easier to learn and enjoy. I don't care about toxic communitys cuz I'm a league player but I do care about the learning curve for the game.
Gotta love the irony of how "all CS players are toxic and brag about this or that" when this whole comment section is circle jerking how "non toxic" they are and reasons their game is "better"
You can like one game more than the other but stop pretending to be better than the same people you're acting like, lmao
The stream chat is SO biased lmao
Waiting for ohne to play valorant
Skins: Valorant custom models on the Gun, finishers, kill banners and vfx
CS: Dry texture on the gun
It depends ln what you like more
I know skin market exists for CS but i just like the design of the Valorant skins more
I love how he skips the skinclub promo just for a skinclub add to pop up on this video right when he does
I think one of the big things that people don't understand (especially valorant kids) is that a lot of cs players love cs because of the rawness of the game and the consistency. IMO having a meta that doesn't evolve like valorant pushes cs players to use their brain more and more and increase their skill, instead of just trying to recognize when the meta changes and hopping on before other people. that is the overarching idea, I love counter-strike because it is extremely difficult but it is consistent and that makes it extremely rewarding. Even when I grinded valorant with my friends in 2020, I never felt anywhere close to as rewarded as I felt playing cs. Abilities, the fact that there is no skill to movement, random sprays, all of these things make the game less rewarding when you know it is more luck based. IMO I would honestly give the meta point to CS from the perspective of valuing the way cs pushes a players skill over just playing off of how the devs balance abilities and weapons. This is just my perspective as a CS player and I dont want disregard the fact that valorant clearly has a meta that changes and CS does not.
This dude hit the nail on the head. I’d give guns to cs2 because the same recoil pattern adds more skill but personally I like the feel of valorant guns better. But that kinda sums up the difference between the games, personal preference. I’ll switch between the 2 a few times in one night just depending how I feel. Val ranked feels more punishing, I like the player speed of cs2 more too, but the gameplay switch up between each game of Val makes each match feel unique compared to cs2 cause I can play the same site 15 different ways with the different agents. Val community is cringy tho cs comm is more toxic, but more fun for me personally. It just depends on the person tbh
I think you can argue about some things, as you said yourself, a stale meta can be fun for some and there are some pros and cons. And for the skins, cs obviously gets a point for the trading aspect etc (only real downside is the gambling aspect), but i would argue that skins in valorant are way more unique, with finishers, animations etc., so if we go purely by design and ability to pick something for your personal taste i think valorant is ahead there. Also to the esports point, valorant does not allow everyone to costream, there is always a list of i would guess 30-50 streamers per event that they drop in their socials of who can costream
hey even 128 tick server usually dismissed your hits on enemy
-current still playing valorant, both 100hrs in both csgo and valorant
i think thats on ur end
following is objectively true:
-cs will always have the superior concept/gameplay (minus subshit-tickrate)
-valve wishes they could be 1/10th as good as riot in cheat prevention
-let rito and volvo have babies
I've never heard something so true and so cursed
I played a game in Val against a jet who was hitting all of their shots and I was warmed up so I started killing him but some shots the Jett kept hitting was too perfect and I was wondering if I was just bad. After that I kept saying they that had to be hacking. My friends were calling me bad while they were at the bottom of the leader board and another round later the Jett got banned. I was so happy I wasn’t bad
bs i am playing valo for a long time, there are many instances that my hit shots does not register even when enemy body show blood animation and even revied some of my recording.
Its pretty clear that valorant is more difficult on eSports level( cs is more tough for the normal audience tho) since just think abt it so many agents with different abilities. New techniques lineups and strategy every match and u have to adapt
I personally enjoy valorant more but I think both games need to be worked on.
As someone who has played CS since 2013 one of the major factors that made me stop playing was because of the cheaters. It just became unbearable. I also got beta access to valorant and have been playing since beta (currently plat) I've only encountered 1 cheater since playing it. Idk if rank or account level effect the chances of bumping into a cheater but it's something I wish CS would use cause I still think that game is fun but even in cs2 when I went back to try it out I still got cheaters in my games :/ idk maybe it's just me but cheating is just a deal breaker for me
Also, the skins in CS are dull, like they think more higher price makes skins better. As a skin buyer at least I have skins I could buy that I could have never afforded on CS. Playing with sand dunes is not fun. Also compared to CS , valo is higher IQ game, So technically less audience. Dont even get me started on cheaters
@@csgo_in_blood6616 Can you elaborate on the higher IQ? I feel like Valo is just played as a point and click game, where people don't even try to combo or use their utility effectively. I've played from silver to high diamond (before asc) and while I've never hit Diamond my self, I got into those lobbies very quickly in the 20 ish games i played that one season. In all the levels it feels like nobody has any idea what their role is or what they are doing. At higher ranks they just peek a little better and click a little faster. I play Valo pretty inconsistently and this new season is the most I've played in a long while... but it all feels the same. In CS even on lower ranks you get good basic smoke linups and flashes from teammates pretty early on. Because well. They can't just instalock duelist and not think about it. Is there something I'm missing in Valo other than the LACK of outplay potential?
@@csgo_in_blood6616 ''valo is higher IQ game". Literally the worst possible take you could make, valorant is noob friendly, you click the map to smoke, it is easier to hit shots, it is easier to play. The thing csgo did for 10 years+ is the basics, so they have been improved a ton to the point of having a lot of thought through it to be able to master it, unlike valorant where you dont actually need to learn line ups or anything. Talking from experience, csgo took me 2k+ hours to get into eagle while on valorant I took 10 days playing only a few matches a day to get to ascendant..
@@jemlapLack of outplay potential is crazy. In CS, if you're in a 1vs3 and your enemies know how to trade what can you do? In Valo, you can play off your agent's abilities to possibly win that round (e.g. flashes, stuns, mollies) and you're saying Valo lacks outplay potential? Give me some of what you're having bro, that shit's wild.
I've been playing val since Act 1. Touched immortal 2 one time (I am hard stuck immo player). Never even seen that red "cheater detected" or "cheater was banned in a previous game" prompt.
I'd say cs is more like "chess" since there's more similarity game to game for a considerable amount of time, while valorant is more "chess 960" (where the main pieces are in different positions game to game) E.g. likely different characters per match that change up how you approach things.
I'm just assuming, haven't played valorant much but it's pretty safe to assume that the abilities have a large impact especially in the more coordinated higher ranks.
Honestly I wish these comparisons would have 2 categories for skins like 1 for how good the skins are and another for the skin market because I agree CSGO has a better skin market but valorant has the better skins (dont fight me there are animations vs stagnant guns)
cs2 just killed it for me honestly, I cant even say why it just doesnt feel right. I started playing valorant like 2 months ago and I hated it at first and was so confused to why the smokes are like green and a bird is flashing me and shit but its kind of refreshing. I also like the movement more in cs and at one point I only played hns, surf and bhop and them just removing it was a huge letdown.
Also, the skin system is goated in cs and can never be beat, we all know that, but as a guy with not alot of money I prefer the ranking system and riot has just nailed it with that.
bot games are great in their own right you just cant compare them.
I still prefer csgo than cs2 tbh.
@@pauloazuela8488CS2 is a joke
I actually love that we dont get a new map every month. It honestly takes A LOT OF TIME to learn a map properly. You can play a single cs map for a month straight and could still learn new stuff on that map.
I could see were your coming from. But I do disagree, as rn CS feels so stale its not even funny. I stop playing CS because of how stale the game is. Sure Being a niche player has its perks for the maps that you like, but with Val it makes you change and think differently on how to tackle each map. Even when Val maps starts to feel stale, sooner or later they will revamp a map. Making that map fresh. So to me variety > uniformity
Valorant releases 2 map per year
6 months for a valo map is kinda weird tho
@@xman9354 why? In comp they only allow few maps per cycle
Most of the maps are just huge in CS though. The maps in Valorant are much smaller. Actually the movement abilities of some agents would work better in CS2 with all the highs and lows. It actually makes no sense to have so many angles to look at in a game where you just stay still and shoot. Just grab a bunch of AWPs every defending round and attackers would never know where you hit them from
If you want more realistic, consistent gameplay that rewards mechanical skill and slowly rewards a more thoughtful approach as you climb the ranks. Go for CS.
If you want an unrealistic and random, yet more thought provoking game with an element of mechanical skill. Play Valorant.
They're both good in the their own right, I really don't understand the misplaced passion people have to arguing why what they chose to waste their time doing is more valid than someone else's.
I've never really played either game tbh, but one thing I've always really liked about cs is the freedom it gives players, if that makes sense. If you want to spend 5000 hours just becoming a surfing god, you can play on custom surf servers. If you like the skins economy, be a trader. There's just so much freedom given to players to just do whatever they want, compared to Valorant where there's only one thing that you're allowed to do. That doesn't necessarily make cs a better game, but it definitely makes it more unique and special in my opinion.
All the chat hating on valorant cartoon graphics… meanwhile watches anime 24/7 😂
Bro the chat makes better insults than you.
@@superchicken3554 lol
watching anime is one thing playing anime shooter game is another ☠
ohnepixel chat try not to defend cs2 with all their hearts and be proud of their toxicity challenge (impossible)
fr fr deadass bro valo is best don’t mind my ramen noodle haircut fr
@@commie_remover u mad?
@@commie_remover LMAOOO
@@commie_remover wth
Movement for util is fun on valo if you play agents like jett or raze... skill ceiling higher than cs in that context.