Valorant Vs. Counter-Strike 2 - A Brutally Honest Comparison (hi Ohne again)
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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2023
- Counter-Strike 2 has finally released to the general public, but how does it hold up against Valorant?
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i'm really glad that you brought up that players of both games shouldn't want the other to "die", since the competition causes both games to try to be better, great video
I don't like valorant, but I love that it lit a fire for valve. It's so good to have competition.
I honestly hate valorant and it's goofy ahh style but i still picked it up cause how bad csgo was before
Yeah which is good for the consumer, you think valve or riot games give a fuck about player experience in terms of being better? These are now huge corpo's with investors lol.
lots of csgo players will say that the only thing they like about valorant is that they caused valve to get off their lazy asses and actually work on the game
Here before ohnepixel again
Me too
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saw u from last vid haha
I switched to Valorant when CS2 released. I'm actually having a good time and didn't expect the cartoon shooter to have such a high skill ceiling and 900 IQ strats.
The point you made that both games need each other to improve and not get lazy is soooo inportant!
Exactly. I think the only reason cs2 exist is because someone told valve that riot is making a competitor for csgo.
@@firework8140 eh, Valorant came out in 2020, and we just got CS2, maybe it put the idea in someone's head, but probably not.
It's more likely that as Valve's only really "ongoing" title (minus TF2 but that's abandoned) they wanted to port it forward onto their new engine to allow the game to continue to be supported, because i doubt anyone at Valve is jumping at the opportunity to develop something in a 2004 engine that just as many problems as features.
@@Mwright4444 its just a theory of mine. Your theory prolly holds more ground than mine, but its not uncommon for leaks to happen. Thats how you get 3 different pinocchio movies in one year for example
1 crucial thing u missed in this comparison is community made content, cs are known for its custom game mode that was made by its community, heck even the maps today are 90% made by community in the past, that goes for weapon skins, it maybe sound lazy for valve, but it is kinda nice to know your artwork is acknowledged by developers (and appreciated by valve with hefty amount of money as i've heard)
I think CS2 is still missing all of that. Right now you can only play MM or FFA death match.
@@gordonneverdies no, they added support for community servers a week or two ago and you can also play custom maps although the way to do it is a little more complicated than it should be. In any case, there aren't nearly as many maps and servers as there were on csgo yet, because everything has to be ported to source 2, but CS2 isn't missing that.
@@JerryO1995 Oh ok thanks. Do you know if it's possible to play CS HUB or YPrac maps?
@@gordonneverdies as long as they've been ported to source 2, yeah they can, but I think they haven't done it yet. Yprac released a statement explaining that they are working on it, don't know about cshub.
very good point with community skins lots of people making a living off of making skins for the game. Not so scummy imo.
getting a full inventory of nice skins for $20 vs $200 is still significant to me . plus i feel like the community aspect of cs skins and maps is much more interesting than everything being dev made. played both for 1000+ hours but i gotta say i prefer cs heavily rn
I think the best system would be market and loot boxes, but not real money the ingame currency which can be earned by playing or buyinh
3:22 it's not about knowing how to throw the util, it's about being able to. In CS, you need to learn how to throw it properly, but you always CAN do it. In Valorant, you also need to learn how to throw it properly, but depending on the agent you choose, you simply can't. That's why it's a massive W for CS, in CS everyone can do the same things, and it's just a matter of which team plays better.
5:02 not entirely true. Valorant offers 128 tick servers at most, but the tick rate varies in the middle of a game because they're running several matches in a single CPU core and it depends on how much there is to process on the other 2, so during a match you may experience 128 ticks, 64 ticks, and everything in between and below that. Is that good, is that bad... I don't know, to be completely honest I've found the tick rate argument stupid for the longest time, it's only an actual variable for your performance once you reach very high levels of skill, and most of the people complaining about it aren't even close to that level yet. I'm not saying CS shouldn't have had 128 ticks in MM, or that 128 is worse, just saying that most of the people who say they're bad because of the 64 ticks are just capping.
9:04 same. Loot boxes suck. Valve could at least do something to mitigate the damage. Add KYC measures, not letting minors open cases, limiting the amount of money you can spend on them... Anything would be better than having total freedom. But leaving moral issues aside, I still prefer CS's skins, simply because they don't look as distracting as Valorant's. There have been times where I've picked a weapon from the ground and I was totally unaware of what the fuck I had picked, tried to spray and turned out to be a Guardian, thought I had a Phantom and it was a Spectre, went to change my Ghost for a Sheriff and turned out to be an excessively fancy Classic. In CS you always immediately know which weapon you're looking at regardless of the skin. Not only that, but the last kill animations in Valorant can also be hella annoying, god forbid I can ever search for a weapon on the ground without lights and shit flashing in front of me.
Good video, but worth saying that even after the full release CS2 is not complete. It's more of an actually open beta than a full release. It's a mistake on Valve's part, they shouldn't have done what they've done and lots of people are mad at them for this. I get that they want everyone and their mother to test the game and report bugs, but if they had to delay the release they should have just said it.
The first argument is not entirely true been playing val and just hopped on csgo like 6 months ago. Its also crazy because people says bad things about me cause I dont know any lineups and they even like told me Im noob. Bro I just got on the game how do you expect me to know line ups and shit thought that in cs you just need to hit heads xD? But overall it was a fun experience though not gonna play it anymore. Also in valorant everyone can throw their utils in anyway they want bro? Valorant has an easy util usage and how the heck did you say that “in valorant, you just cant”?
@@ImRaiz0 I mean honestly speaking you are a noob in CS. It's not bad, it's a fact. If that's the worst you've been told, you've had a very mild experience. If we reduce it to the basics yeah it's about clicking heads, but utility usage and teamwork is crucial and if you play premier you are expected to at least know some basic utilities not to drag the team down. Speaking of the main point, no, not everyone can throw their utils in any way they want. Suppose I want to bounce a flash on a wall, or throw it far in a straight direction, but I'm using Phoenix. Or I want to use a smoke but I'm KAY/O. Or I want to use any of these but I'm one of the many characters that instead have weird machines or creatures as util. If you're not using the right character, you just can't do what you want. This, in CS, is never a possibility. If you've got 300$, you can buy a smoke and throw it the same way everyone else in the match can. If you don't know how, it's purely a skill issue, not an agent issue.
@@JerryO1995 TLDR;
Valorant is a 5v5 game composed of agents and each agents have different roles and kits (Thats why we have SMOKER, INITIATOR, DUELIST, SENTINELS). Unlike CSGO/CS2 everyone got the same kit (smokes,flashes,molotoves) except for guns. You cannot expect an agent to do something that he cannot why? Cause he was not program to do that to begin with.
In CSGO, you ACTUALLY NEED TO KNOW LINEUPS, and even if you dont know lineups you CANNOT just THROW it cause if you do you either trolling or throwing, which invalidates your point #1.
@@ImRaiz0 it doesn't invalidate the point, what the fuck? So you're saying you wouldn't be trolling if you throw Phoenix's flash on your teammate's faces, or put sage's wall horizontally in front of them when they're planning to push somewhere? You can absolutely throw or troll a match if you do things that have a negative impact on your team, that's true in every single team based game and it isn't any less true in Valorant, and just because Omen or Brimstone's smokes are easy to place it doesn't mean that they will be good smokes for the situation your team is in. The point is that, even if those smokes are easy to place, you CAN NOT place them unless you're playing that specific agent, and this is the main point I'm trying to make. When you choose a character, you're stuck in the same role with the same abilities for the rest of the match no matter what happens, and many people actually stick to that role for the entirety of the matches they play. On CS, that is simply not the case, everyone can do everything and if the match requires the team to adapt and play more aggressively, you can all buy Mac10 and 2 flashes to rush a site, and if that's not the case and you need to play slower, you can all buy AK, a smoke and a molly and play default. And here's where I think you, purposefully or not, misunderstood what I said: I said you can always do it, but I never said you SHOULD. It's a team game, of course you need to communicate and understand what the team needs and expects, and if you don't know how to throw certain utilities it's your job to tell that to your teammates so that they cover for what you're lacking. And that's the main point: in CS that is absolutely possible, in Valorant it's not. You can't ask a Sage to flash, or a Gekko to heal, but you can ask green to smoke stairs or yellow to smoke window. Also, basic utility in CS doesn't require you to know any lineups. That's more advance, no new player is expected to know that much.
@@JerryO1995 no you invalidate the point where you said "You always CAN JUST DO IT" on CSGO. I'm not talking about valorant :>
I like CS2 but I hope more comes. As a casual player it feels like we just got a graphics mod lol
That's all it is. I can't even play a full match without having to restart my PC.
The new smokes, jump throws change a lot, it's a complete overhaul not a graphic mod.
In games in CS you can't expect the new game to have completely different mechanics, guns and game modes cs 1.6 to source to global offensive to now cs2 every iteration has mainly improved graphics yes, but it's come with incremental changes that bring about enough gameplay changes to make it feel fresh.
Cs2 has things that need fixes and needs to reintroduce some new casual game modes but other than that whatever changes its made has been excellent.
@@thepaidninja6077 "CS GO remastered", simple.
@@sriniwasgamer by that logic, csgo was css remastered and css was cs1.6 remastered 😂
@@thepaidninja6077 I mean technically CSGO was supposed to be CSS for consoles.
@11:59 I like this statement and I agree fully; They both need each other to improve
lol, thats not true at all.
It would be true if Valorant had been around as long as CS but its only been out for a few years.
CS doesn't need Valorant to keep its player base.
Keeping players ≠ improving the game. CS will always be fine regardless of competition, but there were so many issues GO players were dealing with and none of them were being addressed simply because Valve saw no reason to do so, and a lot of them were basic issues that could’ve easily been fixed with a few patches. 5 years ago, if you wanted to quit CSGO, there was nowhere left to go aside from another CS game, meaning their laziness could go unpunished. Valorant lit a fire under Valve’s asses and CSGO became way more enjoyable because of it.
I literally thought you had 3.83 million subs at the first glance then I watched the whole vid and went to watch more of your vid then I noticed it had the "k" lol tbh your narration was really good keep it up and remember me when you get to 3.8 m subs :) .
9:35 "People who see them as anything else need their priorities changed." Why? I love trading, selling, collecting and investing in skins. I love using them in game and discussing them with other people. I spend a lot of time looking for deals on 3rd party sites. So many people enjoy them and if you play the game for thousands of hours you get to use them every day. Just because you don't like them doesn't mean everyone who does is a degenerate who needs to touch grass.
7:21 low elo moment
yes in cs2 running and then being shot while completely behind a wall is great! gotta love that subtick lol. still a cool video! i tried to play valorant, but it wouldnt let me, some weird setting in my pc. tried to uninstal game and anti cheat... both wont uninstall. rip. so i wont be playing Val anytime soon
That's a good thing, you'll thank God you can't play valo
It's because cs2 is actually accurately registering when you get shot and saving that point in time.
The reason you can’t play Val is because it’s asking you to install a root kit into your pc effectively making it ALMOST impossible to cheat
@@Yurpyurp-oe7mb and I wouldn't want a riot games rootkit on my computer, that's like one of the worst companies for that.
There is something you need to change in your bios before the anticheat works it is a common error. I think it only happens on windows 10 though, you might be fine with windows 11 if you dont have it.
for me as a viewer. valorant to me isnt as interesting to watch. mainly because it seems more like its focused on the characters and their powers/ults vs actual gun play. its like watching superheros fight each other and the guns are their secondary weapons...... i like how simple cs is. its all about the gunplay. u got throwables but they dont seem nearly as primary valorant powers....like not only does the viewer need map knowledge, but they also need to remember what each character can do....
It can definitely get rough as a spectator, but 80% of the game is still guns. The abilities just stand out because of how bright they are and how often people use them, but if you can’t click heads at the end of the day, you’re pretty useless.
you cs players are so biased
I think keeohs new tiktok series proves the gambling mechanic
I really like how you talked about the path to become pro in both games. Having a more accessible platform to build a potential reputation definely is something CSGO lacks. Hopefully they can fix the competitive play experience in CS2 enough for that to happen.
And yes, obviously gambling is bad, even with all the Ws CS skins has over Valo IMO at the end of the day still gambling, can't forget that
you didnt mention that you cant even do ranked in csgo without paying the 20dollar account upgrade fee
It was 15 dollars and you could also get prime from reaching level 22 for free lol? Also in cs2 u don't even have to pay for prime
@@gunkrockreally didn’t know it how many hours does level 22 need.
@@illubenjaminillubenjamin2180 it may vary because the more u play in a day the less xp u get. so u cant grind xp by playing 12 hours a day, u have to log in each day and play 2 or 3 games and use all the daily xp bonuses. at max you will probably gain 1 level a day and thatll take u 22 days or a month
@@gunkrock u dp have to pay for it in cs2 if youve never paid for it in csgo
@@KuroNewbie woah, was low-key wondering but thought it was probably fully free
Bro complain abt gambling all you want but the steam market solves all your complaints you pulled an oxymoron with ur skins take. No one is forcing anybody to open creates and if you want skins theres plenty budget optionson the market, while riot games chraging 120 for radiant bundles with no return value
The Steam Market would be empty if people didn't open crates. So the gambling part of the game is still there and it has to be regulated, at least, just like online casinos are. I've read that some countries are thinking about how to regulate gambling in video games and I think it is a good thing.
The gambling part is completelly the only reason why skins have a value to begin with, if nobody gambled on a case, there would be literally no skins in the market. Soo, by buying a skin you already contributed to the downfall of a lot of guys that gambled they life off to make that skin soo pricey
Before Ohne, wait no way! Why would he ever react to this, whaaaaat? No WAY!
I really like your argument for skins being that you just like skins and not for their market value. It's funny and relatable because I don't really care about skins since they don't add any buffs to weapons, just make them look cooler.
I find strange is that he talks about skins like there's no way to avoid this, I personally got my skins with left out money I had from buying in-game content for other games like Don't Starve Together skins or other cosmetics that I usually get to support smaller devs for example.
I would say I'm not big into skin culture either and don't really understand the hype. I don't have any skins in Valorant as I find them too expensive, however my most expensive skin in CS is probably like 20 cents, I don't have any gloves or knife skins and I'm perfectly fine with that but I like looking at other people's skins. I also have opened probably 2 cases in my entire life on the other hand I have friends that like to open one case a week or other friends that don't even play the game that just like trading skins. I also have friends who simply sell their cases or give them away because they don't care for opening them.
It's the same thing with gatcha games, I have played a lot in the past and almost never spend any money, I like saving up to buy what I want with what the game gives me and researching to make an informed decision on whether or not I want a character or how having them would benefit me, but I know people that just like to roll for every character and I think that's fine, it all comes down to personal preference as long as it doesn't affect your life but if it does then you have bigger problems to worry about a game...
Good Video 👍
I really liked your thoughts on Counter Strikes monetization, because I felt that it echoed my own thoughts. I think that many people (Ohne included) look at CS skins through this really idealized lens intentional or unintentionally. Where they talk about the beauty of counter strike skins when it comes to the individuality, the culture, the real world value, and the general depth to prop up Counter Strike skins as this amazing thing, but will often only acknowledge this aspect and never look at the bigger picture which is gambling. Which especially for the CS community is such a big problem and has practically infected every part of the game, so much so that when CS2 came out the biggest news was not about the actual game but was instead about people gambling and getting Dragon Lores and all sorts of skins. Gambling in CS2 is a sickness and there are probably thousands of adults (and children) ruining their lives all because of CS skins. So while, yes Valorant skins are overpriced and you lose your money, I can almost guarantee that the average CS player has overall lost more money on CS skins then they have gained. Counter Strike skins are just predatory, and while you can appreciate the beauty and culture of them, not recognizing the huge moral and ethical evils of the system that skins are built on is crazy.
(I aint reading allat☝☝)
I read all that and man, you were saying everything I always thought about CSGO and the gambling aspect of the skins. The players have deluded themselves into thinking that the way the CS skins work is somehow amazing, when in fact it is just gambling. I don't mind the Valorant has done their skins, it is annoying that there is a rotating shop and you can't get the skin you really want to play with for weeks and months, but at least it doesn't allow players to gamble and turn into a bunch of gambling addicts, which I think is worse than just giving your money away to Riot so that they can invest it back into the game to make it better for the players. I used to have an IT teacher in High School who would always say, don't be afraid to support the games that you love playing, it helps the game and the consumers, but that hasn't really been the case for most games these, but Valorant has been one of those few games that has done its best for their players
@@gpfhantom1890 >Valorant has been one of those few games that has done its best for their players...
By Introducing Radianite system so that Players can't Access the Overpriced Skins they Paid for. And have to cough out Extra Money for basic Features of Skins they Bought the Skins for.
On the contrary, I've made massive amount of profits with CS skins/cases. Most definitely after the first announcement of CS2. But, to be fair, I might not be the majority with this.
The concept of having agents specialized in certain things is what turns me off of valorant. Some abilities seem downright unfair to me. Making a perfect execute? You just got flashed through a wall. Holding the perfect angle? Some randome dude just tp'd behind you and knifed you. Entering a site? You got shot from a spot you can't get to unless you have a certain ability. Peeked an angle and backed out? You just got ulted through the wall. You successfully lurked the entire map undetected? Some agent with a hat now knows exactly where you are. Its bs because you can't do anything about it. I feel like in cs, if you get killed, 90% of the time you were the one at fault, or the remaining 10% the other guy is just better. But if you do everything right and the guy in the opposing just has wallhacks because its his ability, you have to suck it up.
All of the abilities have both visual and audio queues, including the wallhacks. You should never be caught off guard unless you simply don't know them.
@@CR0WYT this. utility in valorant has counterplay, at a high level almost all of the utility is counterable or avoidable.
That's what makes it fun
You forgot to mentioned the replay, VaLuLrant doesnt have replay, and this is the main reason I don't want to play it, I want to study myself.
12:06 TF2 fans waiting for an update because, ah ya know
I started CS2 and this game is hell between the bullets that don't hit the head because of the hitbox and the grenades that you have to learn on all the maps this game requires too much investment of time and energy without talk about the toxic community that leaves no space for fun.
I hate the fact that when a new agent comes, you can’t play with them asap without paying real money 😑
7:50 is where u get widly inaccurate with your information about going pro. the pro experience isn't made for everyone majority of the play players in premier are having fun playng a little bit more competitve valorant that doesn't affect their rank. Theres probabbly only like 100 players that realistically practicing to go pro at any time per region. Valorant rank is almost is not path to pro if you want to go pro you have to schedule your own scrims on third party websites or discords. Faceit is a way better system sure your paying a good 10 dollars a month but is a much more better experience than valorant rank.
Most people are aware that they’ll never be pro, but having everything under one roof is more of a balancing fix. In CSGO there were simply too many variants of the bomb defusal mode. You had casual, unranked (real casual), 5v5 MM competitive (casual 2 with fancy badges/pointless ranked), FaceIt (real ranked 1), and ESEA (real ranked 2). If that looks really stupid, it’s because it is. There needs to be a clear and definitive mode for each. Casual game modes, unranked, and ranked. No 3rd party crap that only divided the playerbase.
You git yourself a new subscriber with this one, its 100% true what you said about skins and that both games need eachother
11:50 the kay/o pfp in counter strike clip lmao
Lol my experience in cs2 with subtick is the complete opposite used to be eagle in csgo hitting every headshot and spraying and movement in cs2 feels soo off to me
Honestly, even though I play Valorant rn, My first FPS game is CSGO, and I love both Valorant and CS. And I adore both games as both have their own special perks.
The game still uses glicko-2. It's way better than ELO too, although both suck for these kinda games. They are made for chess.
You also misdescribe glicko 2. That is literally not how it works. Compared to ELO it works by becoming more volatile the longer the time between matches, meaning the longer you wait between matches the more likely the system is to rank you up or down, as it gets less certain of your abilities if you don't play consistently.
all overwatch skins were free with play before , now they aren’t. loot boxes were not nearly as predatory as their current system
Fix run and gun (more). Delete Marshall or reduce damage, delete Judge, make slightly bigger maps, and just allow 2 dueliest per game and Valorant turns into another game.
cs2 also has a lot of run and gun but I'm willing to give it a pass since it's in its very early stages..
Allow 2 duelist in game? Bro you can always do that, valorant doesnt give you requirements on what to do and what to pick. You can even run 5 duelist, smokes, sentinel. Initiator what ever you want. Even in pro scene, players do that but not a 5man like only 3 smokes/initiator and 2 other agents that are not the same category
There's a "JUST" right before the "Allow" big man. It means, no more than 2 duelist lil bro. Once you lock your max of 2 duelists the other duelists on the selection "menu" blocks, you feel me big man? @@ImRaiz0
@@ImRaiz0 the point which I'm guessing you didn't understand is, at maximum each team could choose 2 duelist class characters, two people wouldn't have to pick duelists, only two people could if they wanted to, this might be a healthy restriction for ranked, which I would've enjoyed when I still played that bs, but not for every game mode
@@ahtiulanen6122 ohhh I didn't read that properly thanks
This is first time i heard some logic from a person
When talking about games when did skins became a factor
The games are completely different plus Skins are optional, 50 percent of players dont even have a skin till the day, 20% only have Pistol skins or evem the crazy shit ty guns skins well rest 30% who actually bought it
There is a reason people pick Mirage, it runs well, and the ammount of people playing on older sistems is not little, at least not in Latam, so yeah, there's your deal Dutch...
This should be said this mostly campares both comps and not any normal "9 to 5" cs2 player just playing casual. There is a little bit more than comp in csgo.
Cs2 Siege is being worked on at the moment and seperate vehicle assets have been found in the September update. Soon valorant is going to be playing catch up and i cant wait to see how they match this. Xd
Bro, even ppl who dont play cs know how to smoke stairs
Which is what makes it so disappointing.
How is cs2 monetization worse than valorant when valorant literally locks agents that can only be unlocked by paying or grinding a ton. Its like locking away utilities in cs2 that can only be unlocked by paying or grinding.
That’s a good point. I completely forgot that was a thing. Though, the progress has become much faster thanks to Kingdom Credits, but still a good point.
@@CR0WYT no idea what Kingdom credits is as i haven't played val for a long time now, just tried it post it's release. If unlocking agents is very easy then why is it locked in the first place? How much time/games does it take to unlock an agent?
Also i totally agree with you about the gambling aspect of CS is bad, but if one wants skins they get drops every week, they also have the option buy skins for as cheap as a few cents or a dollar, rather than keep playing with the same old default weapons. Plus stickers and finishes ensure everyone can have a unique skin on their weapons. Val on the other hand don't have free weekly drops like cs and there are no options to buy skins for very cheap like cs.
Yes, in cs i won't be able to have a skin i desire as they are way too expensive but I'll atleast have a few skins that i can use to change things up that i can get from free drops/ purchased for a few cents rather than spending tens of dollars per skin.
I basically have skins for all my weapons in cs just by free drops and spending 5 dollars to buy 4 skins.
To conclude, yes I'm a cs player but i am not saying one game is better than the other, all I'm saying is cs monetization is better than valorant.
after trying cs for the first time in cs2 i was so suprised when i saw my headshot rate was like 28% in one game idk how because im dog shit at valorant
28% is terrible what r u on
@@reapercr0w its better than my valorant like 2%💀
@@reapercr0w isn't yours like 15%?😂😂😂😂
trying way too hard to be funny @@Beannut
@@reapercr0w yep your rights none if my joke are funnier than your life mb bro have a good day🙇🙇🙇
If you are bored of a map in premiere just ban it... i honestly haven't played in mirage inferno in 2 days because either we or the enemy just keep banning them.
No way he gave val the point for skins. Cs has floats, statrack, the iconic no star karambit, the iconic howl M4A4, trading, good skins for under a dollar, stickers for some cents, sprays. The only reason you gave valo the point is bc of the cases in cs? You gave valo the point not bc they have something good abt their skins but bc cs has one "bad" thing. And in cs you have the opportunity to pay 15€ and then get 2 skins every week for free, which you also could sell or use. And these skins could grt up to 150€. So i dont really get why you gave val the point
I enjoyed watching it. Though it does feel you have a bias towards Valorant in the video. Which is perfectly fine. It says brutally honest not unbiased
7:38 agree
I was diamond in Valorant before I quit at the end of summer, the main reason why is because the updates are getting to be too much. Having constant new maps that I have to learn is exhausting especially since I'm a yoru main and I have to spend hours learning new tech.
Well I think consistent update is good not just in valorant but also in any game overall.
@@ImRaiz0 True consistent updates are good and keep the game fresh but at some point they just become too much.
The valorant map selection is horrible imo. Rainbow and csgo has the best now, that is true that you still usually gonna get the same maps over and over but only if both teams want it that way. If you are playing with 4 friends you can just ban all the common maps in both Rainbow Six Siege and CSGO2 so you never really have too play the same map more than 1 time in a row. In valorant if you are unlucky you get the same boring Fracture 3 or even 4 times in a row.
@@thighhighenthusiastic1268 Very true, although I think being able to choose maps would not be a good thing in ValorantI think being able to have the option to not play on that same map in your next game would be very nice.
@@namelessman6257 Fair enough, only that would make the map selection a lot better already.
3:22 bro really couldn’t think of an argument so he just insults the counterstrike community
Seems like nothing changed with CS2, all the pros are still playing Faceit CS2.
At this point, it’s for familiarity and the community itself. Valve forced a lock on 64 tick servers so FaceIt servers are basically the same as the base MM servers.
I feel like most cs fans ignore the pros of valorant because they purely don’t want another game to be considered “on the same level” as their game. It’s based off pure nostalgia, like a bad version of classic Halo fans. I still love cs way more than I do Val but it is frustrating seeing stubborn cs fanboys making cs look like the undisputed best game without any flaws.
I agree but I feel it's mutual between both fans, for example, this video also appears to have some bias as well but CS fans do get toxic quite easily.
Saying all the flashes are the same just variations is so insane... Its like saying all the guns in cs are the same - you shoot the gun until the opponent dies. Variations is what makes them bullshit even if they serve the same purpose.
12:07 Yes, laziness leads to disaster.
But com'on, it's Riot. The company that literally have 2 weeks updates CONSTANTLY.
I saw how Valve ditch Dota, dota underlords and csgo.
But riot? Even when TFT was the king, they still manage to update the content.
First big fan bro
to be honest with you val is fun, the battle pass the skin but the ranking system sucks ass....people still be smurfing still and riot can't do shiit...this is why im stuck in sliver..i like Counter strike more because its more Challenging and hit boxes are harder to hit more.
10:23 nah. beast burger tho?
Valorant is just Fortnite but without the building part 💀
Rng is more effective in CS than val 💀 wt u talkin abt?
The part I dislike most about cs2 knife skins is that I have to spend like $2000 to get a good one. I know you can sell the skins but I'd rather sink $50 into the drain than to not have $2000 for however long I want to use the knife in game.
That’s what makes them so special, otherwise everyone would have one
You can get a good one for way less. Youll still have to spend a couple hundred dollars though.
Unless you but the best of the best skins cost Less than in Valorant, are uniqe and you Can sell them
the csgo market fluctuates and changes, some skins crash, some rise up... If you don't want to spend $2000 on a csgo knife, spend $50(there are some decent ones at that price) and you can get back the money too if you stooped playing the game.(or hey... if you're lucky.. you'll even get an increase which most likely will happen)
@@mikhailbolodo1597 there are no decent knives at 50$ unless you are living in 2015
bro you are playing in silver league ofcourse they are going to pick mirage vert and inferno
but still good video
agreed, subbed
Stop opening crates until valve gives us 128 tick servers
bro thinks the 25 million people who play cs monthly are gonna listen to him, don't get me wrong I don't like 64tr either, but nobody listening to u
@@skoop1987 keep playing it like an idiot then, enjoy your stupidity
Valve Made $40M in the first 40min of CS2 launch
@@weed__ source 2 came out in 2015. 8 years they had to work on what is basically a port of a game made by two kids over 20 years ago.
@@destroso And they Started Working on CS2 as soon as they made Source2?
I really don’t get why people hate gambling so much 🎰 if it’s not your preference that’s fine but why hating on those who enjoy it, every adult should be responsible about their own money. I simply don’t get the hate to gambling like at all… could someone respectfully explain it to me?
(I’m a valorant player)
It’s because it takes advantage of people who have problems with addiction, and even people who don’t sometimes as well, although then if they abuse it, it’s more their fault. The rush of dopamine you get from a random high value drop is highly addictive, but it’s also highly rare, so people try to chase that rare thrill and end up throwing away a ton of money on basically nothing. 99.9% of people will lose money gambling, but the addictive experience makes them keep coming back.
Gambling in the sense of slot machines and casinos are designed to make you lose more than you put in. The house, in this case Valve, is designed to make as much money as they can from suckers that actually think they have a chance. It’s why card counting is banned in Las Vegas’ casinos despite it being a skill. If you are caught card counting, you are literally kicked out and banned for simply being good at the game. People have lost their lives, their spouses, families, homes, etc. from gambling. Even in a casual sense, no game is fun when you have little to no chance in winning.
Also, it is virtually completely unregulated. No background checks, age checks limits, etc.
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I think your forgetting that a lot of underage kids play cs, and there have been multiple stories of people saying they got a gambling addiction as a kid because of cs go loot boxes and the gambling sites
I don't want to have a tiny chance of opening my box and seeing a 20 thousand dollar skin, I want to buy a knife or a glove for a price that isn't ridiculous. Keep opening a box with less than a 1% chance of getting something I really want? Better to bet directly at bookmakers, the chances are greater.
He is just defending valorant this is biased
whole video became irrelevant after you mentioned how good the hitreg is.
It’s not perfect, but it’s way better than stand alone 64 tick.
another great video
good video
Just curious how you can say what system that CSGO used for ranking system when CSGO never released how their ranking system worked.
Multiple UA-camrs have analyzed how the ranking system worked over the years. The closest thing we’ve gotten to a result is Glicko2, and considering how I and many others have had massive win streaks with zero rank-ups, I believe it.
warowl made a video about it which basically states that csgo made their own system but it was heavily based on the glicko2 system. go watch it, its a very old video though
I could of sworn CS GO was ELO based?
no, its invisible. You would just rank up every now and then. If it was elo based it was invisible and there was no way to tell. Valorant has explicit +elo -elo which we never had in CS
a choose your map system would NEVER work on valorant, because obviously, different agents are good on different maps, and so if you were say a viper main, you would only ever pick breeze, and you would be excellent at viper on breeze, but you would be doodoo at viper on other maps where viper isnt as good, ie haven, but without the map choice systems, you are encouraged to master a variety of agents, most probably within the same agent type.
Make better maps then
idk if the best map for all agents is possible, like there is way to much agents to have in count and on top of that no all agents are equally good (at least thats what stats say)@@manhoovy193
@@manhoovy193 if you tried to only ever make maps with equal agent strengths you would just have 8 different identical copies of ascent lmao.
Bro you're playing with Nova 2 players, of course your teammates will be clueless with utility.
Edit: grammar
So were in copper.....
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Valorant utility is 10x more frustrating than CSGO's or CS2's. Dang Raze got her ult? Guess I'm dead. It's just really frustrating when there are things where you literally can't do anything about. We have no risk unfun lineups in a lot of cases will guarantee a round win by baiting your entire team and if you don't succeed you make it unfun for your teammates but if you do succeed its unfun for the enemy and Valorant locking utility behind agents is such a frustrating experience when there's a guaranteed smoker which most people don't want to play making the experience worse for at least one person in most games and is it really fun when you die because someone threw a wacky ball at you and then they kill you with 2 classic body shots?
The argument for people not learning maps and playing the same maps isn't even a problem. Why should people play maps they don't enjoy? Saying people won't learn other maps because we can choose doesn't matter because we don't like playing them. We're playing a game for fun not because we want to be a competitive professional that knows every map. What's important was that we could have fun on the maps we like and avoid the maps that ruin our experience when we play the game. The keyword is fun. There is no point in playing a game if that game does not either bring us joy or a salary.
@@gocs3250the abilities just comes with time and experience. It’s not that complex. And regarding the maps, when you just want to have fun, there’s nothing wrong with picking your maps which is why the alternate ranked mode (and hopefully unranked soon) exists. When it comes to actually climbing the ranks and proving yourself as a player, you absolutely need to know at least the active duty maps. If you’re truly a good player, you shouldn’t have to worry about what map you play on or what side you’re on. Obviously everyone has their stronger and weaker maps, but completely ignoring the weaker maps just to have an easier climb shouldn’t be an option.
@@CR0WYT honestly, my problem with valorant's abilities is just how much CC there is in the first place. in CS util feels like it's made to block a sightline or two or push a guy out, but valorant has so much of it that it just becomes absurd. I do really like the matches where it's more methodical though, so it's really just about those hectic ones.
I still find that time of gameplay fun, but I wouldn't say it's better just because it removes another level of shooter from FPS, and I'm playing a tactical shooter to focus on that.
part of it as well is that I don't like the shooting and hitboxes of valorant in the first place. it all just feels too sticky (weird word, but it's what I'd describe it as).
@@gocs3250 How can you say someone is good if they just spam 2 maps. I only ever play Office and Italy in casual because I enjoy them and so I can sweep easy CS lobby's while I listen to a podcast or video essay. But thats not because I claim to be good at the game. I know for a fact is that if most people had to play all maps in CS they would drop at least 2 ranks.
@@AttacMage do you think there is really any hard cc besides a deadlock ult? Flashes dont count, being stunned is both avoidable and masterable, being marked is kind your problem. Besides, your team should have their own util. Its not like all of you are running in dry.
Having played Valorant for 3 months and almost getting Diamond 2 I say CSGO 2 is allot better. Valorant is really leaves less space for making intelligent plays based on your positioning. I have reached diamond 2 in siege before the emerald rank as well. The ammount of gamesense you can display due to moves and tactics is insane. Then I played more CSGO which is alright and then I want to valorant. Its like playing the todler games and I can tell you allot of todlers play it. Its almost entirely resting on the aim mechanic which is extremely one sided in terms of what shooters have to offer in general.
To be fair it also explains why so much females play it, its way more accesable.
Only thing good about Valorant is the competition for valve which is good for the consumer, besides that is a horrible copy and past product.
Don't like, obviously leaning towards val because you are a valorant player or atleast it seems like it because you just find a way to be mad a cs and always go for the valorant one, like for skins, aleast we CAN sell the skins you don't like and youtubers advise you don't open cases and rather buy it from the market which can make you some money, also did you know people got rich from cs skins I bet you did, stop being biased
I completely agree with you on the cs gambling thing being way too normalized and accepted within the community, but other than that big issue. it still is nice to get rid of skins that you don't want and be compensated for it, though
So you like Val xD
hi ohne
Everything about your comment was good except rad players can never beat pro players infact it's the opposite globals can beat top players not pro players tho...and cs pro can beat valo pros not the other way around and there are lots of examples like tarik stewi scream sazam
subtick system in cs2 s trash old system was better
I enjoyed your opinions on everything except for the skins. that's one of the worst takes ever. I was able to sell skins that I invested in (about $2k invested and about $900 profit within a couple months) to visit an online friend of over a decade on the other side of the world. Every cs player i know irl understands that you can buy skins for fun, or you can buy skins to make money on the side while you enjoy your favorite game. not many games can do that. for many of us, its a good way to buy more games, sell on sites to buy things in the real world like stuff for outdoor hobbies etc. the fact you can do that is amazing. and on the cheaper end, you can get stuff like $2-3 stickers that will go up in value over time due to a shrinking supply as they get used. the ability to profit off a game you enjoy is available to anyone especially with the weekly free skins and cases.
That’s actually wholesome.
imo the best reason to spend money on skins is simple, you can sell them and switch them around forever. I can have a karambit one week then a talon next week.
too bad i invested in paris stickers tho :(
Yes, but where do the skins come from, you used to see your fried. Don't get me wrong, this does have some upsides, but still, your skins originally come from people loosing, money, probably a lot of it. It is on you to decide, which thing is more important to you, but I couldn't feel great knowing that the money I made comes from other people loosing a lot of money. That's just how I am, though.
@@klexy4420 there will always be people who gamble and its just that they decide to do it in a game. i see nothing wrong with profiting off of them if they are dumb enough to spend money on opening cases. if you do, you can save all the trash skins for trade ups to make a portion of it back.
@@klexy4420brother is morally against any and all retail jobs, and working for any big company as they are all scummy in one way or another
newcomers will just simply learn about faceit. It's not that big of a deal
FaceIt is only a band aid solution. Valve needs to look at FaceIt, see what makes it good, and implement that into the base MM (which is what they’re trying to do with Premiere). 3rd party shouldn’t be a requirement for a proper experience.
the whole loot boxes argument is unfair, in csgo you can also buy skins and not rely on luck..and still they are better then valorants worthless pieces of crap. i also dont understand how people can play such a clunky game, in comparison even with low tickrate servers, combat and weapons feel 100 times better un csgo..if im gonna play an ability based shooter its overwatch and when i wanna play a tectical serius game its csgo, i tried valoran but tbh from my point of view the only good thing they have is their anti cheat and charecter design, overwatch does abilitys better in every sence of the word, and csgo has godlike gun play, valorant is in the middle and feels again clunky, also if it werent for the abilitys in valorant most players in high ranks would be mid to low rank in csgo, at the same time these players would also not get anywhere in overwatch and ive seen it happen, only thing that transfers over is the aim and we all know csgo is harder in that regard..over all valorantt is meh. not good but also not bad just there.
Early 🥶
i think your digging too much into the moral aspect of the game, who cares about the gambling, you can sell skins whereas in valorant your money is being burned right infront of you.
its just insane how you ignore absolute garbage valorant is filled with. Valo has way way way more problems than cs....its literally an insult to valve to compare it to riot games...
by his logic, buying and opening a mystery box is considered gambling.
Investing also contributes to gambliing, since people buy the mystery items you got from the mystery box.
He also said that "collectors" should get their priorities straight. Poor archeologist, museum, collectors.
Cringe level: Valorant.
Buying and opening a mystery box is literally gambling.
@@CR0WYT yep
CS2 has issues with movement inconsistencies and hit detection still, and the economy needs adjusting for MR12. Also peeker's advantage kicks in even before they pop up on your screen sometimes. Currently Valorant is better until these things get patched
Valorant is alot like warzone in the fact that its not a real competitive game.
Val has more strats n tactics than CS coz of abilities bein involved and more IQ to counter them 💀 wt u talkin abt?
The bad take express
I played both and valorant sucks
where i see the problem with val is not the utilities themselves but the fact that an iron player's flash and a radiant flash are the same with the same damage
i don't mean that the curve must be like cs, but at least a curve where you can see a newbie and an expert
and the second problem i see with'em are the ultimates, that are just unfair
almost every utility in val is unfair since depending on your agent you can survive or not an ultimate, and in what sense is that fair?
For me, I think valorant don't have any mechanics issues for me. But the players in the server are so annoying and cringe, they are less serious and talk too much sometimes they even think they're better and glazing themselves. Idk like the servers just filled with weirdos. I like csgo players even though they toxic most of the time, the good thing about cs players is that they're more serious and they love to volunteer to play a role. But I understand that most valorant players are teenagers, fingers crossed, hope valorant players will change their behaviour.
an Iron flash and a radiant flash aren't even remotely similar, most flashes have similar tech to cs, bouncing or throwing at different angles or over map geometry at the right time to make a flash harder to dodge or to flash specific locations from distance.
cs2 solos
bro is on to nothing
This guy sounds like a val fanboy 🤣🤣🤣
Thats cus he is🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Not a bad video, well done, great editing but i feel like you kinda biased too valorant, just saying...
Hard disagree, hating gambling just because it's gambling is so arbitrary. Cs hands down has the better skins experience. Buy, sell, buy other games with the stuff you sell. It's simply better in every way than spending on a bundle that just sits there.
You still have to lose more than you put in for it to be possible. That is not something I’m ok with regardless of the prize.
@CR0WYT Not true, $2.50 can snag you a $20,000 skin. $2.50 could also snag you a $0.03 skin. It being random means there is no absolute rule. And adults gamble, they like to gamble. There's nothing inherently wrong with gambling, virtually everybody does it regularly. If someone has a gambling problem then that is 100% on them to relate themselves. If someone is against gambling that's also fine, like you are. I can understand the viewpoint even if I don't exactly agree with it. I do however think an open market is better than a market where you purchase something and it just sits in your inventory being useless.
@baxxtab2429 The cases aren't entirely random. The system is made to milk as much money off their users before they get something good, which is why knives and gloves are the same price as my car. Most people would have to dump hundreds even thousands before they'd get a pair of gloves or a knife, and at that point it would be better to buy it off some other sucker that already did that before. As much as I like CS' skins, the gambling aspect and the market should've never been a thing to begin with, but we can't go back now. There are simply better ways to monetize your game that don't involve preying off stupid kids and adults with a gambling addiction.
@@CR0WYT no, the cases are entirely random. Of course people lose more than they earn, expensive skins are much rarer than common skins, that's why they're expensive, but saying the cases aren't random and are just rigged is a preeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetty bold statement. Time and time again people come out opening their first cases and getting skins worth more than my entire inventory. If the cases weren't entirely random we wouldn't be speaking of gambling, we'd be speaking of a total scam.
@@JerryO1995gambling is gambling, its crazy that the way you protect it is by saying “no its RANDOM”. Just like genshin and honkai star rail, they are a gambling game and their players even acknowledge that
valorant who?
I dont thimk ohne will watch this.
Mf is sponsored by gambling sites
No wonder he's such a sucker for cs skins lol
if you dont want to gamble just dont bro tf you talking about
valorant L Game, no replay system
If anyone says valorant skins are expensive you should know that you can buy a simple yellow skin for 500$ in csgo
Lets get one thing straight, Counterstrike never needed Valorant...While competition is good CS was wildly successful without it. One thing you could never deny though is Valorant would never exist without Counterstrike.
CS was successful over the years because of its reputation and the fact that there was literally no other game like it. CSGO itself was very outdated, but if you wanted to quit, there was nowhere else to go aside from its predecessors, so why try to be better when you’re already at the top with no one to stop you?
@@CR0WYT I agree. It was wildly successful for many years and inspired Valorant among many other FPS. For example Search and destroy game mode in COD would also never exist without Counterstrike.