they interviewed CS2's biggest cheat developer…
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- Опубліковано 15 тра 2024
- cs2 is being ruined by cheaters. here is an interview about the future of cs2, income and more.
by erik shokov: • Cheat owner about prof...
live every day discussing cs2: / ohnepixel
00:00 - Introduction
01:57 - Anonymity
03:36 - How closed is the cheating sphere
04:53 - How you started developing cheats
06:51 - How many bans did you get while testing cheats?
07:11 - Feel any guilt?
07:58 - Cheats on FACEIT
11:25 - Would you work on VAC
13:00 - Dedicated league for cheaters
19:32 - About staff and salaries
21:04 - How do you find employees?
22:09 - Staff in other projects. Is it possible to develop a cheat solo?
26:04 - Which region has the most cheaters?
28:08 - Cheaters in esports
33:34 - Radarhack problems
38:06 - Anti cheat in VALORANT
39:10 - What will happen in the future
45:54 - Is there an ultimate cure against cheating?
51:42 - How many people use cheats?
1:02:17 - About competition
1:03:11 - Profits
1:05:56 - What should happen for you to quit?
1:06:23 - UA-cam Comments - Ігри
These cheatcompanies have more staff than valve for cs2.
I actually cant believe this timeline.
I was saying this for years but you can't tell that people on reddit. Whats so hard for people to understand that Cheat Developers are also just programmers, they have the same IQ and abilities, don't need to fear the GOV, don't need to keep their code in fence. Its not Smart Game devs against dumb Cheat Developers, its Smart Game Devs against absolutely Smart Cheat Developers that are often smarter than the Game developers. I knew someone who was selling Cheats for DayZ, turns out he had a Master Degree and was later working as a Network Specialist at a Nuclear Site. How many Game Developers do you know who later work at the NSA,Nasa or Microsoft? Its not Dumb vs Smart its just Good Guy vs Bad Guy, and often the Bad Guys are smarter .... Reason is to make a game in a engine you need to learn C++ and youre done. For doing Blackhat stuff such as reversing a game, bypassing the ac, hooking into the process AND not getting detected C++ alone is not enough, you need to be absolutely brilliant smart by default because i would guess only 10% of the general coders could pull off something like this sucessfully. So the amount of competent cheat developers is smaller than the game devs, but exactly those cheat developers that can do it at all, are absolute geniuses without exception.
Speaks volumes about the moral code and ethics of people these days.
@@JerryO1995 Nah, developers are also just people trying to work and make a lving. if at all, it speaks volumes about VALVEs moral code and ethics. Valve is probably the biggest online casino provider for minors and adults and are still too cheap to pay some decent developers or maybe even buy out the head developers out of the Cheatcompanies.
Like, Yesterday alone ~900.000 Cases have been opened. With key prices being at 2.50$, thats 2.25 MILLIOn Dollars in revenue for just Keys. Not even included steammarket fees for buying the cases. They literally could retire 2-5 Head-Developers from the best Cheatproviders PER DAY or let them even code the AntiCheat for their own product and removing professional know how out of the cheatcommunity.
@@JerryO1995 not really - anyone can make a cheat and it's not like anyone can go work for valve. I'd bet a lot of the people working on cheats would go to work for valve if they had the chance to. There aren't really any ways to join the cheat fight on the side of the game - the barrier to entry is too high. The only thing you can do is create a new platform to compete with faceit and make your own anticheat. And that's incredibly expensive and tremendously more difficult than making a basic cheat for matchmaking.
@@user-er1fs3je4x no yeah absolutely, one needs application and approval and the other can be a personal side project, but more than that I'm speaking of how many people sell those cheats and how many more actively use them. Because making a cheat for yourself just to learn is not a problem, it's when they earn money from them that I begin to doubt people's ethics.
“1 out 10 players are cheater” in other words in every 5v5 match theres a cheater 🤣
Yes, we know that from GDPR rules many years ago. Many sad and neglected people on earth, sadly...
wasnt there a poll on csgo subreddit about cheating and it turned out that like 14% were cheating. So 1 in 10 is kinda true
@@nicolas4377 when the new GDPR rules came we got the data from every CS match ever played. The amount of banned cheaters was 10% ish, so yes, sad world we live in:/
Yeah, and if in my city one person earns a billion € a year and 999 don't have a job, the average salary is 1 million € a year. That's not how statistics works mate.
@@nicolas4377 Theres literally free polls and studies available online where people said themself that 50% of People cheated on their Partner. I mean saying oh my god, 14% are cheating in online games is just the tip of the iceberg. Its a society problem and theres even worse crap, we just dont talk about it. This is all i can say to this, everytime im like "everyones cheating in game XY" i always try to remember that basically 50% of the people around us cheated on their partner, so its to be expected that if people even cheat in reallife they will cheat in the internet on games even crazier, so those numbers are still absolutely blatant low imho.
I imagine valve is going to use all that good anticheat data from a year of cs2, combine it with all the anticheat data of over 20 years of combined cs:go and tf2 and then ... do nothing
Funny
hey but you can turn the bomb, i´snt that amazing?
@@svens3722insane😮
@@svens3722 have u seen liquid inside molly????!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
As for legal threats, russian cheat developers don't fear lawsuits, because under russian law, cybercrimes will only be prossecuted if the target russian people/ companies.
That's why most cheats are developed in russia and many ransomware attacks do not even target your computer if your os-language is russian
"cybercrimes" bro cheats development is not a cybecrime. Simple as that. Its not like they'r scaming someone, they develop things that is interacting with 3d party software without anything money-related.
@@aleksei7564 Look up the Steam Subscriber Agreement.
"Steam and the Content and Services may include functionality designed to identify software or hardware processes or functionality that may give a player an unfair competitive advantage when playing multiplayer versions of any Content and Services or modifications of Content and Services ("Cheats"). You agree that you will not create Cheats or assist third parties in any way to create or use Cheats. You agree that you will not directly or indirectly disable, circumvent, or otherwise interfere with the operation of software designed to prevent or report the use of Cheats."
They could easily use this in a lawsuit against them, they lose players = they lose money (skins, more copies of the game, etc), but Varraz is right, the US doesn't have jurisdiction in Russia, they're not afraid of showing their faces. Valve just can not do anything if it's all registered in Russia.
@@aleksei7564 They are hacking into CS client, reversing it to find exploits that they can use to make cheats which is against Steam/Valve/CS ToS. Stop glazing them.
@@aleksei7564its a cyber crime similar prosecution to pirating movies but no ones ever prosecuted because international law is iffy on cyber crimes
@@aleksei7564scamming people out of their time
I have played with so many cheaters in my games recently, they rage hack. So annoying...
The soft cheaters are the most annoying ones...
play face it?
@@Gozo77 Cheaters there to...
@@Smonken nah below 8 lvl there is almost no cheaters
@@Gozo77 sry i dont let companies have control over my pc, there are like, lots of really important things on there, and all it takes is one greedy employee.
the excuse for developing cheats being HvH sounds so unbelievably bs and such a cop-out, you're not introducing a new mode, you're just overwriting the current intended mode and making games unplayable without hacks. It's not a 'mode' its basically making it a completely different game. Its like you start playing tic tac toe on the mona lisa so no one else can enjoy it for the artwork, its ruined.
Well said
I agree. It's all well and good saying the cheats are H v H but glossing over the fact their exploit is being used against non hackers.
to be mad at a cheat developer because people cheat in your games is like to be mad at mcdonalds for making people fat because you're sat on a plane
the people are always the problem, if not cheating, then toxicity, if not toxicity then no comms, if you do well your team gets adhd and stops holding things to run around try and get kills themselves and die, if you do bad then you get called stupid and messed with. Need to go back to old days with communities and names people remember so no one can be a permanent jackass with cheats or whatever else
hvh is def a new mode but spinning against legits is dumb
it's not bs, I play hvh on 2023 csgo on community servers made specifically for hvh. there's also people who play 2018 hvh. cs2 made hvh boring because of nospread and rapid fire.
Cheaters gaslight themselves so hard into thinking they're not just a pathetic losers
Narcicism...
Agree cheaters are losers but almost as much as normal people wasting their life with it are, only people who are not are influencers, pros and cheat providers since they make top 1% income
@@bbqsniper5228 Not true, income doesn't translate to morality and integrity.
@@goofygo0ner Thats not what i said, i was talking about who is the loser here.
almost on par as skin obssesed losers
If there is coming a monthy fee to cs2 i will quit for sure, cant take that bullshit anymore
If it's less than the weekly drops i wouldn't mind too much. But theres no way they would do that
Me also I'm tiered of "smurfs"
why tf woudl that happen
@@KalhebBirkuleif people quit cases will rise so who knows
They should just fix the anticheat and make the game atleast 30dollars. Thats how you fix 95% of it/the casual and people who cheat cause they got cheated on.
I actually cannot believe they are saying to 'normalise cheats' like it should be a thing for people to do. It is valves fault for this as a billion dollar company cant fix their game or cannot be bothered. First letting tf2 die and now counter strike. These guys excuses for developing cheats is a 'new game mode' which is bs
I honestly think gabe doesn't care for CS anymore. It's evident by him never attending a CS major, and attending multiple dota majors. He probably sees the entire skin and gambling market as a horrible thing for his company, but at the same time it's the reason Valve is so rich. They've made their money now, so just ditch the game, let it die and at the same time still rake in millions a month from the skin market
CS is not dying though. It's (and will be still) growing... 😉
Not a single response from them, even for a moment, considered the individuals who don't want to cheat. To them it's just "everyone is cheating so it's fine". Some people need to play little games to make their deluded reality make sense
Think the issues goes way deeper than a rational explanation of just having to play some games to understand how it feels. I'm thinking narcsissism / ASPD etc. In order to take a stance like that it appears they have little to no empathy. Coming public about it on top of that shows they're just not properly wired.
@@asdadfafafafffallslsldd8068 agreed, i meant in the sense that they have to play the game of presenting it in a way that omits the victims (legit players) as a part of the conversation
It’s not about morality it’s about money and credit in the cheat community these "developers” love hacking for money
@@asdadfafafafffallslsldd8068
exist online
encounter a person engaged in an act i disagree with morally
"why would this person do that? narcissism"
I mean the game doesn't care
"We have nowhere to play" burh, what. You dont play. You hack.
Actually there is a CS2/csgo matchmaking website for cheaters. At the time of writing this comment, there are zero players queuing or playing the CS2 mode on the website, and 50 people playing csgo mode. The platform is there, but cheaters will always prefer official matchmaking for multiple reasons.
1. The anticheat:. As ironic as it sounds, many cheaters will prefer to play on VAC secured servers, because it doesnt allow specific features of cheats to be used, and those features are usually extremely annoying or overpowered.
2. Easier competition: Simmilar to how it is with MM/Faceit for legits, people on matchmaking are less skilled than on dedicated website for competitive play. Hvh actually does require a fair bit of skill (it required more in csgo, but cs2 hvh still does have skill involved, especially map knowledge)(If you want to argue about this, i will be more than happy to let you play on a 25k elo account with my cheat and my settings and watch you struggle to get even 1KD while being surprised that it is possible to wallbang from CT spawn to connector on Mirage, or from CT spawn to T spawn on vertigo etc etc)
3. The ranking system: People like a sense of progression and seeing some numbers change according to their wins/losses, having something to fight for. Even though the dedicated hvh website does have a ranking system, it is in my (and many others) opinion pretty bad and the games are usually very one-sided. Valve does the ranking system better, achieving balanced hvh games.
If u got any more questions i will gladly awnser.
He talk about hvh not cheating against legit
@maopo196 yeah we understand. They don't play the game, the soft does. It's ridiculous.
@@CuzZ_Lightyear you obviously have no idea what hvh is
@@pseudoendotrizine just pathetic don't need hvh just stop fucking hacking and play the game normal at your own skill lvl wanna get good practice more y'all cheaters straight suck and shit alot of people could be making good money from video games rn but cuz if cheaters it's extremely difficult to stand out lmao cuz everyone is cheating
engineer in tech, 7 years experience. It took me a sunday to write a cheat for tarkov. Used it for 2 days or so. Saw how many other cheaters there were and basically quit the game. Online fps is a joke and has been for decades.
in 2012 my cs:go matchmaking showed 12% of the people I played against got vac banned. its so much worse now.
was a legit global elite. high kd in tarkov. Then over time these games just flooded with cheaters.
was the person who always thought glass half full, there is not many, etc. However I learned that I was just really really good and was good enough to overcome cheaters who tried to remain stealthy. Because when I wrote my own I saw how many there actually was.
Basically if you are a legit player in FPS in 2024 - you are extremely handicapped and quite literally competing against 14 year olds with ESP in every single game you play.
Ok make one for FACEIT and lmk how it goes lil bro
@@xxxzzzzxxxwhat is your goal here? for context I do have the technical expertise (computer engineer) to shim the memory controller so with enough energy and a pcb spin I could make something 100% undetectable to face it. Secondly, I am confident that with my own software I wouldn't get caught on face it for a while, regardless of doing some hardware solution.
The only reason face it can catch cheaters is because the number of people playing on their servers is small. So they can spend more time inspecting.
Kernel level anti cheat does not add much. Do your research instead of just pouting that face it has a good anti cheat. I played competitive cs for decades and there were always still cheaters in esea and face it. Windows offers all the same hooks in user space.
unknown cheats has all the pointers up to date for cs.
And in the advent of ai undetectable trigger bots will be the norm in any fps. maybe i'll get around to it because of dumb shitters like you :D
@@xxxzzzzxxx why you calling him lil bro as if thats not possible
@@bant3565 he thinks every game is the same crap as EFT or CS2 mm
@@xxxzzzzxxx he didnt even mention it, the faceit glazing is wild
51:41 Back in the 2018 i used chrome extension which checked all of your matchmaking games looking for VAC accounts and after 30 minutes it showed number of over 800 cheaters which was 1/8 of all players I ever played with back then.
you just had really bad trust, in csgo according to leetify i was facing more cheaters than 95% of users and had a cheater every 30 games
@@Raulxz This is the number of people caught. If you remember correctly there is free cheats undetected for 2 years onwards. You had to be moronic to get caught.
I stopped playing cs, but i today checked again. I played against a spinbotter in wingman 4 months ago. This guy is playing every day and is still spinbotting and not banned. 15ms time to damage, 5% counter strafing. I just tracked this guy but played with atleast 60 cheaters in my last premiers. Those where people i was 100% sure, and most of them where on my own team.
Dont be delusional. I switched to single player games and soulslikes and i am finally happy. Fuck CS
@@krakatoa542 brother im telling you from the games i played in go, barely any cheaters and i was top 5% in cheaters met.
We are living through the slow death of one of the longest runs in gaming history. RIP CS
Don't be dramatic. Valve won't let cs die lol
@@scerball6282 Is sure as hell seems like it
@@scerball6282 Ppl said the same shit with TF2 and, well. right now, CS is walking slowly through his die if this shit don't change
@@scerball6282Can I borrow some of your copium supply?
CS has died more times than I can count, and has always came back stronger. CSgo at launch was 10 times worse than CS2 is
Literally my first game an enemy with a chinese name was spin botting after a 10-2 half. Thankfully won it at 13-11. The dude still isn't banned.
Imagine spinbotting and still losing lmao
@@LeumazDnazor Divine intervention. We were lucky the guy got disconnected during the round and reconnected again, but that meant we had to end it there and then.
japanese servers are infested with chinese cheaters lmao
Valve should collect these cheat devs like Toy Story action figures and double their yearly income to develop anti-cheats instead of what they're doing.
the CIA does it, why can't Gabe? Lord knows he's rich enough
They can play both sides, pretend like they're upgrading ac and still make cheats so now you have 4 times their normal income, not mentioning the fact that they can intentionally downgrade it so their cheat works better, valve can't make sure that they will discontinue their hacks, people are greedy.
Plot twost these cheat devs work for valve. Make insane profits. Win win.
Those cheat devs should be behind bars for a long time. They actively sabotage a commercial product for profit, causing high monetary damages by the CS2 devs needing to spend money on cheat-detection, anti-cheating software development and the cost of staff and equipment for running it plus potential lost revenue of people quitting the game and not buying microtransactions and people not even starting to play the game because of its bad rep.
ohne is that type of guy to call a blackhat a redhat and a whitehat a greenhat 😂
What about smallhat? 🤔
@@KeksimusMaximus do those small hats coincidentally have large noses? Do they also happen to thrive off of chaos and disorder world wide?
is a grayhat yellow?
@@sun3k I guess so
of couse there are nazis in onepixels comments, what a surprise
Back in titan fall 1 (rip) if your account was detected cheating, instead of being banned, you were put in a cheater only queue
yeah gta did that for a while and still i think
I was 19k rating in premier and i just quit 2 months ago cause i just couldn’t take it anymore. Ofc faceit but people that usually plays premier are now in faceit. No talking no info, i asked a guy with a mic why he doesnt info (faceit) he responded «who cares» Competetive CS is dead. Fuck that game
just played one premier match after playing faceit, 100% agree. sad to see this game dying because of this. ill quit after 15 yrs cs if they will not fix this in near future.
"Competetive CS is dead", well there is nothing to compete with in the first place. Its just a boring rank. Unless there is money on the line
OK bye 🤣👋
there will always be ppl who don’t talk or just don’t care, you either find good mates that u know in real life, or good randoms you add or u play solo
@@sannii2222 sure but its all about statistical average which decides about the overall game experience. In comparison to faceit, premiere is unplayable right now.
Theres cheaters everywhere. Even in helldivers 2. Litteraly people cheating against actual bots. How shit must you be as a gamer to need to cheat against bots. You cant even win money in this game and theres no leaderboard, nothing. Its so funny, but yah usually they just get kicked because the fun is all about you getting absolutely shit on for 40 minutes but still complete the objectives
what are you saying cs has no leaderboard? xd premier is kind of a leaderboard to get seen in top world or top countries lol
I'm 37, so I grew up on cs 1.5 and 1.6, and I think it's the culture around certain games being hard. We had cheaters back then, but games were so much harder back then it was normal. As time has gone on, a lot of games, especially single player are just extremely easy, even on hard mode, so when people get into a game like CS, they can't handle how hard it is, so they cheat. Weird take I know, but think of how hard games were 20 years ago, most of them were really hard to complete, nowadays, apart from the odd games like dark souls, everything is super easy. People are so spoilt nowadays, they have to cheat to feel good about themselves. Gone are the days of grinding and working towards something, dying hundreds of times to actually achieve the end goal
No Im saying Helldivers 2 has no leaderbord so theres no reason to cheat.
@@Silverwidowsbig difference between 1.6 and csgo and cs2 is that 1.6 was all community owned and there was always admin to watch over the games and if somebody was cheating or whatever he would get banned instantly, also cheats were way more primitive so it wasnt hard to spot a cheater, and also most of people on server would know each other irl and if somebody was cheating he was making a disgrace for his actual name and also was at risk of getting his data leaked which was way more scary back then then it is now, with way higher chance that somebody will fk him up irl
what are those red blinking circles with the arrow on the screen shown some times on the screen?
Most use anti aim and offset model and nothing else when it comes to faceit. Harder to kill means easier to get kills and you will ALWAYS have the advantage even if they see you first. Plus only using those will make it EXTREMELY hard to get caught. A LOT of really high level players use this believe it or not. It was around back when CEVO was dying...I miss the old days...we are in the age of cheaters. Plain and simple.
Holy shit haven't heard about CEVO in ages
Just put cheater against cheaters with no bans and it will be way better for normal players.
Cheaters don't want to play against other people that cheat. They want to dominate.
@@asdadfafafafffallslsldd8068 yeah and maybe they f*ck off then...
I started cheating in csgo 2015, since then i only played hvh, because its more competetive as just running over non cheaters@@asdadfafafafffallslsldd8068
I just played with 3 stack cheaters and they were even proud of it in all chat. What's pathetic is that we are all 3k and they even cheat at our super low elo.
😂
It's not uncommon to want to be in low ranks just to fuck around better.
Ai anti-cheat over kernel seems inevitible the question is when not if... also, these guys are such clowns lol Hacker leagues? They are completely jaded if they think people want to to watch that.
100k views on most likely video for hvh league. LOL
@@skit.gamesensi wat
This game is basically Team Fortress 2. Can't even play at 17k elo without rage hackers in almost every match.
even in lower ranks there so much cheaters .
I just played against a guy with 8k elo. He has about 200hrs in the game and he loads 4 hs with scout every round. Probably a newbie who learns fast
@@user-bh4zt6uy1i talented gamer
I have 4k hours and im 4k rated. F yall haxer fabbots. Wasted so much time 😢
been playing this game since 2014 i think, i haven't seen so many cheaters since CS2 has been released, it is disgusting!
I wrote a paper about anti-cheat and I also analyzed cheat code. It is almost shattering how easy the CS cheat code works.
You got a link to the source?
Yeah can youre share the paper please?
@@roelo1000 its not in english so idk if it would be useful to you
I love how the devs came out and talk about how public cheats are on the market. HvH lobbies in matchmaking is such crazzzy idea that Valve could be doing. If they haven't used the kernel anticheat yet then they must be innovating. I think that banning the cheaters outright wouldn't be a great idea. The whole reason they are making up wait so long is to collect the data, and as long as cheaters are playing CS then Valve continues to collect data. The cheaters will never be able to play against non-cheaters because Valve will always have the newest data on cheaters.
They must do something about repetitive things like jump interval(bunny hop) acurracy ,or interval betwin bullets (especialy those scout/awp 1 sec 5 kills)...or about hitbox error like ground looking /spinning...so better develop something to prevent/ban those things.
When my teammates cheat I give them psychological warfare
You know they can mute you lol
@@justadude8716 Nah i do it too, me and my teammates do everything to block and grief them, recently i made our team lose a match by griefing the cheater and not letting him play
@@justadude8716 yeah but they never do
@@somaannn you're doing God's work my guy
@@somaannn What do you think the cheater wanted? Simply to win? When doing this you have to realize that you're likely just doing what they want even if you think you are inconveniencing them. They love attention, you're giving more to them than they would get otherwise.
i just noticed there's a dude in chat counting each time ohne paused the video
no way💀💀💀
Hahaha you were rigth there is 2 of them
there are always a few guys like that, like if they dont want him to pause and actually give his input and react to the video they should just go watch the video alone... its so stupid
@@oooooba8343 like you say, they dont understand, that Ohne have to talk about this with his chat. Dont think so, that if he would watch for 40 minits and didnt talk about it, i think 50% of viewers will quit because its boring. They come because Ohne and not because they will watch with Ohne 1 video. :D But i hate it too, if Ohne Pause in 5 min video like 20 times and talk bullshit, its same hate. :D
Bro you're a real G🤙💔😂
not only these people exist, but big youtubers give them exposure, what a great time to be alive
Proper mental health support is the only thing that can actually fix cheating in online games. Cheating is basically wanting to play a game and then using cheats to avoid learning to play the game properly. I personally fail to understand why you bother playing the game at all if you don't want to learn it? Wouldn't it be even easier just not to play at all? The only reason I can think of is being a wanna-be-hacker and feeling superior because you can "win" the game without learning it. Do you actually feel superior if you *purchased* a cheat for a game?
If this was about hackers that actually create their own cheats and use those cheats by themselves only, then I would understand this as using hacking skills to beat the game.
Depends on a game. WoW botting is cheating, and it's obviously being done for monetary gain.
@@ForOne814 What's the monetary gain in WoW? Selling the max leveled character for real money, right? That's cheating by the *buyers* that don't want to play the game but for some reason still want to buy a fully leveled character.
The bot operators just work for the eventual *buyer* who is willing to pay to cheat.
@@MikkoRantalainen selling gold. And it's not cheating by the buyers, because you can buy gold from Blizzard, just for more money.
after the interview, no one saw them again
source 2 has been a thing since 2014. Cs2 isn't on a new engine, Dota 2 has been on source 2 since 2015.
also they still have no excuse for the state the game is in when they have the money they do and the time they spend ESPECIALLY when the game, maps, weapons and balance have already been made for them. Valve is lazy. This is coming from someone who is in the 3D industry and has made hundreds of models, characters, and animations. over 5 years, billions of dollars in revenue, and the game's already been made. There is no excuse.
also garry's mod's successor, sandbox, uses source2 and gives anyone access to source 2's toolset and has had plenty of public betas that last for months at a time.
I’d be selling my skins if I had an expensive inventory
bro i wish i could, i invested 7K and it's already down to 3-4K 💀
Im betting on CS2 now, either they fix it, and my skins are gonna go back to 7k one day, and otherwise ima just lose it all. fuck it.
Buy when others are fearful, treat it like the stock market ;)
@@Sukz0r lol dubious advice given that the underlying asset here has no intrinsic value
HvH strategy in CS2 is basically finding whatever 27 wall scan you can get and camping it, ive seen people on Nuke or Mirage kill people with scar on both sides from CT spawn on both of these maps.
bunch of losers xD.
They are suing for Terms of Service violations. Companies can sue for bot networks etc. You can sue cheat makers in any country but your chance of winning changes. Also PayPal and credit card providers can intervene for big companies in some cases but that's rare.
I haven't played CS in years, so I gotta ask.
Isn't cheater vs cheater matchmaking the most boring thing you could ever come up with?
All I can think of is 5 spinners vs 5 spinners where those with the best cheat wins... am I missing something there?
No because the best cheat is public and nearly everyone uses it, so its really about how you use it and how you play. Even with the best cheat you can still get smoked by others if they know how to play right
it's only interesting for the people who make the cheats, to go up against themselves. For everyone else, even people who buy the cheats, I have no idea what the appeal is
In csgo there where full Community Servers where you Played 20 vs 20, stopped playing before cs2 released so idk how it is now
new ohne vod? dont mind meeee
Der Vergleich mit dem Anzeigenhauptmeister war gut haha :D
Tribes
Had this game not had people make a spacebar rapid fire script, I don't think it would have turned into the game that it did, "skiing" and many other client and server side mods actually defined that game in the end.
I grew up with a Game Genie, and to me cheating is fine until it starts impacting someone else unknowingly, if can revitalize the enjoyment of a game.
its so CRAZY how it all is so open and legit. Eye opening story and insight in this world of losers 🤣 I accually get mad and sad to see its so free and open to make a show about it.. WTF Valve enjoy ur summer vacation in hawai 🙈🙈🙈
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they are always on vacation march/april in Hawai,, They say its their biggest priority right now.. so lets hope it really good when it comes.. 🤞🤞
TRUE !! booth mad and sad at the same time,, bro how hard can it be to get a grip on a anticheat...
So what these are Neverlose developers?
Edit: The guy on the left is aVitomin btw and he is community manager as of right now. So he isnt a developer, I dont know who the guy on the right is though. Actually ikarus1337 seemed to say it in the replies that this is A47(Anarch1st47) and aVitomin
im pretty sure this isn't soufiw or any of the other NL devs since they are russians and probably wouldn't expose themselves
Probably aimware
@@din_pappa It's A47 aka Anarch1st47 and aVitomin they are actually neverlose staff members
@@xavier4542it’s neverlose lol aimware isn’t Russian
i dont know why they didnt say that
this is probably not gonna be seen by anyone but i am an avid HvH fan in a multitude of games and the meta and skill expression is unlike anything else in a real game mistakes can go unpunished in HvH there is no room for mistakes or any type of gap in knowledge but ohne is right people like me are out weighed by people wanting a fish in a barrel experience
The best way to solve it is to use a plug in that tracks all players crosshair placement, if they look at a person's body for 2+ seconds through a wall with 2 to 3 strikes in one game they get banned for a week, if it happens again they get delt with like a hacker. If they're preaiming, enable the strikes when the possible hackers screen is moving while aimed in on the player and not when they are statically placing their crosshair (a non-cheating player always does this). Wouldn't something simple like that go a long way?
i think they should combine this approach with overwatch - you can’t ban them outright because there are bound to be teething problems with legitimate players doing wallbangs and setting up before a peek, but they should do something like this and send them straight into a high priority overwatch queue or something similar.
Hey please could next videos include the date in which stream it was watched
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"MAYBE TOMORROW..."
we all high on that copium
They ONLY care about skins. It's so over
i got filled with rage every time you stopped the video, but great work tbf :)
then maybe idk.... go watch the original video without ohne???? Since you know? Its also on youtube. I never understood these dumbass comments. If you are gonna claim you watch this for ohne's reaction, than don't complain about him pausing, cuz he needs to do that to react. But if not, then WATCH THE ORIGINAL FUCKING VIDEO.
In the vegi clip, with the new cs2 Molotov I actually get tricked by the black some a lot when the Molly pops making me think there’s an enemy there
10:20 the lead dev of Vanguard also developed cheats for games...
Exactly, so he knows how cheats works internally and how to counter them. Which is why Vanguard is up there as one of the best anti-cheat of all time.
Just like in real life, criminals that are really expert about some subject, they wont get arrested. They get hired.
man the replies Lol, We all know Mr Doc is selling cheats, but hey, let them act like npcs
@@P1mmsCS lol, its bypassed already.
@@erraldstyler every AC in history is bypassed. but those cheats get patched out literally within a day most of the time lmao.
I knew it since around 2015-16 that there are a lot of people that cheat and for every 2-3 banned cheaters there is at least 1 that knows how to hide his cheats and can cheat everywhere.
It's just so simple to play with an radar hack or soft aim and not be obvious and you can cheat forever, honestly the cheaters that get banned are 85% just braindead or don't care to get banned.
There are also a lot of PRO players using cheats online. This doesn't surprise me at all, just confirms my suspicions that I have since 2015~ish
"We don't do it for money." Yeah sure man, i believe you ...
mental gymnastics deluxe
Ahhhh yes, the legendary pay wall, so not only people have to pay for prime to play comp and get a rating, so they should another subscription service to to "fix it". News flash, cheaters dont give a shit, if theyre ready to pay between 300 to 1000 dollars, and then a portion of the winning cut to the developer, they wont mind paying 5 dollars extra. Valorant is a free game, and ive only encountered 2 cheaters playing it for 3 years, i get those in cs on a daily basis, and sometimes, in a match theres more than one cheater. Its valve thats the problem
People are desperate. Hence they tend to _only_ focus on what can reduce cheater numbers. But in their desperation they ignore the potential severe collateral damage of some of those methods. Even if you "just" make CS2 €30 per account, which might disincentivize a handful of cheaters from creating infinite new accounts, the number of actually normal, casual players you simultaneously drive away from the game is ENORMOUS. Especially since we're talking about a free-to-play game. Even if it was only €5 once in a lifetime, you could lose _hundreds of thousands_ of potential future players, if not more.
And that's BEFORE taking into consideration that people who already pay a certain sub fee for their cheat software, even if it's "only" $19, as mentioned in the video, are much more likely to accept that than legit F2P players. In the end, this could very well lead to a _higher_ ratio of cheaters to normal people instead of the other way around. Not to mention the massively decreased overall player base which would have a severe effect on stuff like the skin market, queue times, general popularity, probably even interest in the esports branch. All of that for MAYBE keeping a fraction of the cheating population away.
It would be so much better if these cheat devs just were honest - we make cheats because it's a lot of money, and in places like Russia, earning millions a year is unheard of. I can provide for my entire family and have fun playing video games at the same time. That's the real answer, stop with all this gymnastics around "oh i want to do a HvH mode, if i didn't do it someone else would", just be honest
In upcomming years, cheats will be just using the screen capture output (basically said, just frames of the game) and rely only on that itself to create a smooth perfect aim assist experince and no one will ever detect it in online matches, because it's simply impossible to do so. It will be very similar to a person playing the game, because it will have only the input of what the actual person sees. It's a computer vision machine learning based cheat. The only way to fight that will be playing on LAN...
Better engine, no new anti cheat? Fuck aesthetics' bring in HWID bans
Nah, terrible idea
In order to HWID ban someone you still need to detect them....
Also, hwid spoofers exist
every game uses HWID bans, they arent hard to bypass
VAC as a base AC, HvH and LvL lobbies, VACNet and VACLive on LvL, new accounts get sorted over time into their respective lobbies based on own playstyle and detection flags... Public cheats would be easily added to VAC, Cheaters with better cheats would still be allowed to play HvH and normal players (LvL) would play in a way safer environment, more refined and easier to spot wrongdoers.
Sure we're allowing Cheats but only certain ones and only on a specific scenario, they can be nuked because it will be easier to spot them too, so Valve could grab some banned cheaters return money from new accounts any time.
And the LvL would still handle the occasional hard to spot thief scam scumbag but mostly be cleaned of blatant cheaters.
I don't see an actual bad side to this...
Less effort for Valve, more data for VACNet and VACLive, less cheaters on regular matches, cheaters will have their own place (if they have a temporarily undetected cheat), bans can be manually reviewed again and Overwatch would be handed over through application (including demos for review) before acceptance, Overwatchers would still be monitored to not feed wrong data nor side flip (becomes a cheater later)
I think detecting and not banning cheaters but pitting them against each other making them have worse games without knowing why is exactly how u ruin most cheaters reason to buy cheats (clap others)
Unpopular game engines don't have a lot of cheats on them because who tf is going to invest resources into developing cheats for a game that nobody plays?
11:57 @ohnepixel
Valves priority is skins and making money.. When CS:GO was a thing they complained of not having a good enough engine to make a good enough anticheat because the engine had limits. They made a new engine with better lighting and better looking skins but still no good anti-cheat.. They made the skins look better to sell more skins and still have no good anti-cheat even with the new engine.
I guess you didn't watch whole video. They were talking about VACnet AI learning cheats through players behavior and. Thats why some of the clean player cases with high sensitivity spinning around "goofing" were getting banned
@@tatuetelainen9358 I did watch the entire video. I still stand by what I said, valves priority is making money through skins and not through making a good anti-cheat. They are getting better with their anti-cheat as of late but it was not their priority this entire time. When thirdparties have a better anti-cheat than the actual official game, it truly says something about their priorities.
bro you are TRIPPING if you think that this game deserves any respect for their 4 years of developing one of the worst reforges in history of games. I can name minimum 25 issues with cs2. 6000 hours on this piece of shit game for what
seems pretty good to me but I came in after they fixed a bunch of stuff
@@DoNotFearTheReapa its horrible bring back csgo.
u just couln't play 6000 hours in cs2, 90% of your game time u did in csgo, so u call csgo shit game? But in one u are right, play ~6000 hours in good game and in the end u get this shitty cs2 where anticheat have been disabled for months
Other than anti-cheat name 5
cs2 > csgo in every way other than cheater issue. CSS is still better than both tho
Most selfish people have a way of justifying or even beautifying for every selfish things they do in life. That's just the basic psychology of all selfish human beings on earth. Their own subjectivity determines the objective "right/wrong" of their own actions...so it's impossible for anyone to hold them accountable for their own behaviors.
The problem with every system: Cheaters will ALWAYS be back no matter how often you ban them, they'll find a way
no valve does exist to sell skins and other peoples games. I really dont care how many years they spent making a worse engine so some shadows can look incrementally nicer
the fact they seem to actually have more faith in valve to fix it than anyone who actually plays
How is source 2 worse? 🤣🤣 Valve did more with 10 developer team than other companies with hundreds of developers
all i want is my csgo back.
Probably late for the discussion, but the idea of sacrificing half a year of the game for getting data pool of gameplay (Cheaters and Non-Cheaters) is cohesive. Adding that to the recent leaks that reveal Overwatch is coming back, it reminds me of Supervised Learning or Reinforcement Learning.
the only way i can think of making a videogame 100% secure from cheating is that the game itself must run over a stream like solution.
basicly if no one has access to the gamefiles then you cant do anything. Then games also would not
need any type of anticheat anymore.
I realy think this will be the next big thing, but on the
technically side there is a huge drawback with
latency as for now.
okey, i thought of it a bit more.
even if this would work seamless. There would be still cheats possible from the input side of the player.
AI’s or algorithms could be trained for acting like a real player with insane good aiming speed and play Style. Even though it cant look trough walls and only can work with what it actual sees and hears from the game.
so cheating will sadly win at the end.
not having access to game files wouldnt do anything, even if nobody did have access to it, that wouldnt be possible since you have to have it installed and you cant installed an encrypted game on steam lmao
@@Jetstreamsammy nah, what i mean with "stream like solution" is something like google stadia. were games get streamed over the internet to your computer. So no one is able to read out the memory or can modify gamefiles because the game sits on the Game Developer side.
ofc the devs would have to provide the extra hardware and
stuff for running the game at there location.
@@baggiyi You do realize it's possible to cheat without touching the game's memory or files right? This idea is also so unbelievably unsustainable in terms of hardware and network resources. Not to mention the latency for players. Let's think first before we dream these crazy ideas next time
ah okey, but how exactly would your cheats work then? I could only think of some kind of ai/algorithms like i described above. Of course, transferring these large amounts of data over the internet involves a certain amount of latency, so it's not particularly suitable for competitive shooters. But it would be possible.
cheaters are so fragile. They start the game just using trigger & esp, still lose a few rounds because theyre horse shit & then full rage
you should write a book about it you pooron
they know its not about hvh
90% of the cheaters just want to pretend they are good players and talk trash when they win
Fr, cheaters gaslight themselves so hard into thinking they're not just a pathetic loser
Neverlose is a HVH cheat
of course it is about hvh
neverlose(their cheat) is designed to play HvH, there's A LOT of legit cheats that are MUCH cheaper and allow you easily win fair players
how can you pretend to be good with neverlose if its a rage cheat? it doesnt even have a legitbot
@@pseudoendotrizine everyone in matchamaking uses or acts like they use neverlose. so its clear that its not just a HvH cheat.
btw the interviewer and owner df cybershoke is from Georgia, and he does not live in Russia anymore so maybe they met somewhere.
Its so funny that Ohne mentions the Anzeigenhauptmeister
ma drilla do you have hemorrhoids?
Wanna taste it?
“How are they not afriad to show their face? “ its a video game nobody is gonna try to kill them over a video game and chances are if you see them in public you wouldnt bat an eye.
Oh boy, you don't know what crazy fans are capable of do you...
cs is generationally popular and its not hard for me to imagine an addicted, very mentally ill cs player coming for them. especially in russia where the majority of the playerbase is (11.5% of all players). id never open myself up to that opportunity but theyre obviously not very smart people with big egos
first time in this world i see?
These fkin replies 😂😂😂 those guys will be fine, y'all just coping. Most Russians are cheaters anyway so instead they would get much support
You must not know the HvH scene. I was in it from 2017-2022. If you didn't have decent opsec, you would get doxed, swatted, sim swapped over literally nothing
so whats the promo code for their website
theres actually several aimbots that work on multiple games, using images and ai to track and as u feed it more images the better it gets basically
Why can't valve do what faceit does? Because people like myself don't want an intrusive anticheat on my system. I don't play any game because of this reason. What they should do is make an optional kernel anticheat that only queues against other players that have it.
Your queue time would be insanely high.. look at valorants player base vast majority don’t give a shit how intrusive it is. I’d say a lot of cs players downloaded valorant at some point too.
Also to add to this forcing kernel level anti cheat on everyone also raises the level of the cheats that get developed. They become harder to spot and time consuming to deal with. There are trade-offs and people thinking kernel anti-cheat is a silver bullet don't understand the scope of the problem. Cheaters have exist for so long that another client side anti cheat won't fully fix the broblem. It is an option to considered, however.
Giving your ID / Kernel access IS the way to do it.
I can only see cheaters crying "I rather not give permission to a program to ..." Bro just shut ur ass up, your using cheats in a videogame, who the fk wants to know about you and your sad, pathetic life?
@@kokochichibro Valorant at most has people with arduinos and shitty color aimbots, almost everyone with an internal paid a couple hunnid and will get banned in no time
damn a bunch of losers. so long as it's "legal", even if not morally right
People using it for sure but developers for cheats are bosses and earning a lot of money
If there is a demand there will ALWAYS be who makes it and sells it
@@hotpot328 and they will always be losers
They are fukin rich, not losers.
@@eaStudioHD money is just a means to an end. doesnt make you any less of a loser.
accepting HvH would be like accepting olympics for athletes using enhancing drugs.
The fact that they are afraid of Kernel based AC is proof that Kernel based AC is the only way to get rid of most cheaters.
Yea but people dont want literally install spyware just for an anti-cheat. Valorant literally harvests things like your facebook friend data
Its crazy how so many content creators think making kernel anti-cheat will improve anything. easy-anti-cheat, and battle-eye are both in the kernel already but are worked-around en-mass for those games that use them. The only reason faceit anti-cheat "works" is because 99% of cheaters dont care enough to even bother with faceit, because they dont really get anything out of it vs just cheating in the base game. If valve started using faceit anti-cheat in the main game, it would be bypassed in hours and probably be effectively the same as matchmaking again within weeks. Valve had the right idea with AI anti-cheat based on behavior but they executed it so poorly. I'm glad valve doesn't compromise their morals for near-zero benefit.
youre silly bro, part of the problem is just how easy it is. elite cheaters who will buy dma cards and other things are only a small percent, but cs attracts people who want to cheat for fun/troll because its so easy and they just dont get banned. at its core its similar to suicide prevention, if you make it harder to access, the numbers WILL go down
@@narwhalguy3829 kernel level anti cheats are just a gateway to wrecking everyone who plays your game when your company gets hacked. Also EAC and BE are not kernel. People already hack on faceit but they tend to get caught thru players seeing it and them actually banning people. A kernel anti cheat does nothing but makes it so your hack has to be kernel level too, which is also a security risk (albeit to the hacker not the normal people lol) Also Valves AI anti cheat isnt done yet.
@@1e0isfdkorblpgvac net was an ai anti cheat and it was ass
Battleye also works with community owners to ban known exploiters in game level script issues
@@narwhalguy3829Elite losers. Ftfy
Cs need to ban players from bringing ornament's and good luck charms to the computer with them during competitions. Hacks dont need to be plugged in
The matchmaking is so that cheaters play together against legit players, that's why always they come in 5 stack
As a cheat developer myself (not publicly, just for me in private) I can say that I am very interested in HvH. it might sound stupid, but I am not actually interested in the core gameplay. I was playing legit for quite some time but completly stopped like 3 years ago. I was interested in the release of cs2 and watched some videos, which made the algorith think I was interested in it again, and it also recomended me an HvH video. Because I am interested in programming I actually got back to the game to develop a cheat for it and I can say while I still dont enjoy normal cs rounds I do find a lot of joy in developing rage cheats, made for HvH. Making a cheat to just dominate normal players is boring asf imo, because you can easily get there by just creating a simple ESP and a good aimbot. HvH on the other hand is a lot more complicated, its mixxing ingame skill with programming knowledge and thats what actually keeps me interested ✌✌
I’m assuming these are the guys who created neverlose
yes
Nah no way thats soufiw
@@Vurse168 its a47 and avitomin, they are both nl staff
12:05 bro you are TRIPPING if you think that this game deserves any respect for their 4 years of developing one of the worst reforges in history of games. I can name minimum 25 issues with cs2. 6000 hours on this piece of shit game for what.
Yeah ohnepixel is delusional and blind for this. So many bugs they don't even care atleast you can open cases. I have 6k hours too and can't even play my fav game mode which is kz because they fked this game
He just cares that skins look prettier
brb gonna open a case to make y'all mad
opened a recoil case and got the cheapest blue (ump roadblock). It's battle scarred too. Easiest loss of $2.50 🤤
I bet half of them are plain stupid
With that sentence 1/10 people cheating, I can trully agree. I had.... yes "had" friend who always impressed me how good he was in game, he start playing Csgo month before I start. For some point he gave me more specific lessons in game.... probably he boost me to DMG.He stopped playing literally just like that, saying he had a lot on his mind and after 3 years I found out about his Vac on the other account from a mutual friend of ours.
The most important content about CS is reviewing cheaters and especially cheat developers.
I would rather deal with cheaters than have to provide my ID to play a game wtf
I would provide my ID if it means that cheaters are banned forever
This is a good point to consider. Solutions that work 100% can't really exist and all systems have trade offs. I feel the same way that I would not personally give my ID for making cheating riskier, but others would do that. Online games and cheating are a hard problem to solve and the current situation does suck for a lot of players. Have to hope Valve is cooking up a server side cheater detection that could work long term.
I would just do something more worth my time at that point.
@@kokochichi People in China / Korea already use others identification etc to work around it. Doesn't work
@@1e0isfdkorblpg That is true. No solution will work completely. This is one of the reasons I would not give my ID for gaming, I don't really trust I would solve the problem enough and I don't care that much about competetive gaming.
arrest this guy please. Cheating is basically stealing from game companies by driving off players. A good lawyer could deffo make this work
lol go touch some grass please
💀
XDDD. Ok go play on inspect server
Bro hes in russia, no one is gonna go arrest him 😂
bro nah that’s not how stealing or the law works LMAO if that case won it would open up an entirely new can of worms
the "idea stealing" he talked about is i think how most cheats HAD lua script support that the community can pist contributions to and its bot like they werent credited or unknown most of the time they became ambassadors of the cheat lol.
If the amounts and affords that goes into fancy graphics and skins nowadays as much as it went into anti cheat or the actual core of a game
Gaming would actually be taken much more seriously and progress in good way instead of being the bane of ones existence
Today gaming is a niche back in the day it was something to be proud of.
Guys an absolute Rat Looks like what i expected he would aswel goofy rat
Jesus looking at chat and seeing the mad basement rats insulting their looks when the guys dont even look bad, while prob not being able to remember the last time they shower or went outside is funny asf
ohne's chat is the most cringest shit i ever seen. They even laughed at HvH League idea. Welp, I see they really enjoy being scanned thru many walls every game idk
i guess you find it relatable
@@JeloOW he seems oddly insecure about the way people perceive cheaters
I really hit the nerve of few twitch chatters huh
hey, cool opinion!
the fact is, they still develop cheats and looks don't matter - the filth of a cheater doesn't wash off :)
Even the cheaper cheat menus have some impressive features, without using walls aim or radar there's still alot you can use to find out where people are
They’re delusional if they’ve convinced themselves they’re only developing cheats for HVH. If that were the case they’d have no need to bypass anticheat or even bring up that Faceit is difficult to bypass.
Playing CS in insecure mode with VAC off is a thing if that were truly their intent.
They develop cheats for the exact reason their customers buy them for - to gain an unfair advantage against legitimate players and be illegitimately ranked higher on scoreboards.
The cheat is literally to pay for skill and status.
No one would pay for an undetectable anticheat just for HVH, cheaters would get nothing out of it.
I was 21K without cheats. Then almost every game had cheaters so I quit CS2 for ever.
When it comes to DMA hardware, FACEIT or some other kernel-level anti-cheat system is just really poorly made if it cannot detect such extra hardware.
However, FACEIT or any other kernel extra driver will be vulnerable to rootkits, too. You can cheat even with kernel level anti-cheat programs if you install rootkit that can hide your anti-anti-cheat program and the requirements to hide DMA hardware is exactly same. Once you have rootkit, you don't need DMA hardware so getting DMA hardware is waste of money for cheating.
DMA hardware may be valuable to debug your rootkit and anti-anti-cheat programs during development, though. Those can be used to inspect the RAM when (not if!) there's a bug in the rootkit and the operating system hangs. However, if the OS kernel is still running and you have your own backdoor via rootkit, you can debug and change everything via the rootkit without any extra hardware.
Any competitive games for money prizes should be played on known machines with organizer provided hardware which do not suppot plugging any extra hardware. The old saying about computer security says that if the attacker can access the hardware, the game is already over. If you play against people that game on their own computers, you cannot trust the hardware or operating system anymore. Some may refer to secure boot or other DRM crap but that's obviously not good either if the attacker has full access to hardware. DRM will increase the minimum bar for an attack but it cannot prevent it.