i feel grateful to hear you say that this continual clearing of seeing is natural. it’s been feeling a bit of push and pull on a very very subtle level regarding looking, like it was feeling like seeking and then like frustration would ensue. but the ability to relax and not go to memory “ kicks in” and outshines the judgement. ❤
This video is just more awareness appearing as awareness, and words on their own are more duality. Who's waking up, what separation, what illusion, who's illusion.
I can relate to most of the things you are saying. What happens with me very often, I let life happen "through me" in the form of "my selfing" around "others" in "the world" without resistance. It just happens in a miraculous way, and it's entertaining ^^
Yes .. I believe it's not going to happen without the "selfing" anyway, right? I mean, the relative "self" is there no matter what, yes? It doesn't disappear, it's rather seen through.. and naturally known as extending (somewhere in the 'back rooms' of the experience) into infinite and beyond one's own seemingly limited "personal will".. right?
@georgesonm1774 I don't know. Maybe Angelo can tell us. 😁 But my reasoning is "How can Selfing disappear?" It just stops being appropriated by constructed individuality. No?
I notice that l-theanine helps me "get it," see "it," etc. effortlessly/spontaneously. I think the physical body must relax (subtle tension creating the felt sense of a separate self), and the mind must relax (maybe DMN activation). After that, it's self-evident and obvious that there's one "everything," the person is an appearance in that "everything," and there's nothing perceiving that everything.
L_theanine, The food supplement? I guess being healthy and brain health in general can't Hurt . My.mjnds a lot crisper and less cloudy when I sleep well and take care of myself. I'm much less likely to get on thought trains.
Do you mean it is easier to experience it in terms of clearer sense of no boundaries? Experiencing thoughts as perceived rather than "spoken" by "you"? Mind being less eager to compulsively come up with labels to name separate "things" in the field of vision etc ? Better groundedness in the senses?
With my teaching habit of analogies: every number can be divided into every other number but not zero. If zero represents the absolute and one the relative I find it interesting that on off switches have zero with a one in it the relative in the absolute. Draft I know.
I feel like interacting with people after realizing the absolute is kind of tricky. Sometimes it will be very obvious to me what someone else wants (or at least what their `person` wants), and, you know, I want to make them feel happy... but I feel hesitant to give what they want because it feels wrong to reinforce their identity structure. To circumvent these things I have been trying to aim for lighter interactions where no extra expectations are created so that both me and the other party can move on with their day without doing any additional selfing. Figuring out how to interact with people who are suffering is also tricky 🥲 I can see that they are suffering because of some story that they are latching on, and while it feels very tempting to point that very directly to them, if done carelessly it basically just comes off as me invalidating their feelings. Reaffirming their story to make them feel good in the moment also doesn't really feel right, so I often don't really know what to do. Another thing which I also haven't really figured out is like, what is a good thinking to not thinking ratio. I used to be an omega overthinker, and after realizing the absolute there has been this proclivity to shift in the opposite direction of not thinking or worrying about anything at all, which is like awesome, but I guess there's this still this part of me left that wants to think and theorize about things. Well, to be honest, these are future concerns. I still have a lot of identity left that I want to work through beforehand. Theorizing about social interactions is kind of a waste time when you still have some people pleasing/validation seeking behavior, and a sense of righteousness lurking in the background which I can tell distorts my perception when interacting with others. Actually, one amusing thing I have noticed, is that I can see my mind reifying the absolute and using it as a lens in order for me try to make sense of the relative world. Which of course, is kind of backwards, because the moment you reify the absolute it stops being the absolute. It's interesting how the mind can try to transform the lack of an orientation into an orientation. Honestly, this awakening stuff is really odd. I've finished writing this comment, and as I reread it before posting it, it just feels like a bunch of words that don't mean anything. This sense that even though there are words, they don't refer to anything. Actually, I used to journal a lot but I stopped doing it because I realized that my mind would come up with random problems that didn't make any sense, and then I would believe them and have them torment me.
@@nobodynowhere21 thank you! I appreciate it! May you help me understand where I'm going wrong? I'm not sure if I can figure it out by myself. I did some reflecting. Here what's I came up with for now. First thing, is that I'm well aware that my comment is just a bunch of thoughts and that they may not have much to do with what is actually happening in reality. I don't particularly strongly believe anything I said in that comment. Second-- my comment does give the impression of me trying to micromanage/strategize my way around my life. I understand that this is unnecessary. Even if I don't actively think about relationships, things will turn out just fine so long as I trust life to do whatever it wants to do. Third-- is that I feel like there are some "paternalistic" vibes in my comment (for lack of a better word). It's like I'm assuming that I know what's best for other people, which is definitely misguided and probably unnecessary or even harmful. Fourth is, there maybe be avoidance vibes as well. I think that may be a genuine issue. I have a lot of trauma around close emotional relationships, and so I may very well be unconsciously avoiding them by reifying these teachings. I think this is all I can come up with in this moment. I don't know if I'm being accurate or If I'm completely off base. Another thing I have noticed, is that I may be using the "don't believe your thoughts" pointer as an excuse to not seriously engage with my issues. That said, I genuinely find it really hard to believe my thoughts or to make any meaning of them really. Again, I would very much appreciate your help. I don't talk to other people very often so it's very possible that you see something very obvious, and yet completely invisible to me due to my cognitives biases.
As someone from a chronic overthinking background I will say to just play around with being the space for ‘others’. It seems all anybody wants is to be accepted unconditionally for who they are, so we are totally fine to accept where they are and understand it, but then your own truths kicks in so you don’t energise their suffering. It’s like a total acknowledgment of where they are at this moment. Because even the slightest hint of feeling like you’re the awakened one and they aren’t puts you back in duality again. I have also had some of the greatest pieces of wisdom delivered to me from people in deep suffering. For me it’s each moment is an opportunity to die/meet the present experience that is in front of me. Anything else about me being awake and them not Is that opening for separation. Hope that helps
@@Mickeysternum245 thank you! I think that's a nice way to look at things! It's true that a lot of people don't receive very much acknowledgement, and simply just being fully attentive in the way that you listen to them, even if you don't explicitly offer any advice or anything back, is a very healing and compassionate way to engage with others.
Hi, I'm deeply suffering in the shadow work, its really hard to look in a mirror without triggering panic around worthlessness. Im scared to be alone at night because of how intense my body contacts around all this suppressed emotional stuff im trying to release. Its been going on for so long now, years and I'm barely hanging in there atm. Last thing I want to do is Medicate myself but I feel I'm running out of options as I don't know what else to do and I've persevered through so much of this. Would medication be an issue do you think?
I got to a place where it feels like everything is unfolding naturally. My life is painful and bumpy, but I’m processing shadow and opening up. I have the sense that I could press harder and do more-meditate, read more, etc-but that doesn’t feel necessary at the moment. I meditate when I feel like it. I practice mindfulness everywhere. It feels fine! If you’re okay with it, great! If that doesn’t feel okay, why? Would you like to do more?
I am really having trouble with seeing whether or not I had a glimpse or an awakening. It’s driving me a bit mad because I don’t know how to practice anymore. Should I just stay with Mu or Who Am I even if I saw with zero doubt for a few minutes that there’s nobody there??? Idk what practice to engage with and everything I do feels like too much pressure If anyone has pointers I would really appreciate
@Godamole: with respect, it appears that you are still seeking. The Me always seeks. Awakening isn’t the loss of Me; rather the realization that there never was a Me. 😊
It might help you to remember that whatever glimpses you have had are actually irrelevant now because they are just memories-thoughts. What matters is only what is present right now, and if you are in a place where you have no idea what to do, that is actually very promising. Stay right there. What is here? Where are you? Don’t conclude. Don’t say, “yeah, yeah, I get it; no one’s here.” Stay in the wondering. It’s nothing you (or anyone else) thinks it is because thoughts, even the most insightful, are all in the dream. Stay in the wondering. Stay in the not knowing. If frustration comes up, feel it like it’s an ice cream cone you are licking every bit of. Taste it all. You are in a perfect place, the only possible place for your awakening. Taste it all. What is it? Don’t conclude.
I feel like Angelo would say you’re in a great spot! 😅 I would say be present with that confusion and discomfort! In my experience, all aspects of experience are useful, including times when I’ve been confused or desperate. Just…human to human, if you can be with and allow those feelings, that is a lovely thing, indeed. 🙏
This is absolutely brilliant, relatively speaking.
You’re absolutely right. Relatively speaking.
@EnlightenedSchmuck 😂❤
@@orphan_slayer9072 Your reply is relatively original, absolutely speaking.
❤❤❤ the true peace that passes understanding❤❤❤
I feel this video found me exactly where I’m at and was made just for me.
Interesting, thank you!
i feel grateful to hear you say that this continual clearing of seeing is natural. it’s been feeling a bit of push and pull on a very very subtle level regarding looking, like it was feeling like seeking and then like frustration would ensue. but the ability to relax and not go to memory “ kicks in” and outshines the judgement. ❤
This was a great one! 🙏
This video is just more awareness appearing as awareness, and words on their own are more duality. Who's waking up, what separation, what illusion, who's illusion.
I can relate to most of the things you are saying. What happens with me very often, I let life happen "through me" in the form of "my selfing" around "others" in "the world" without resistance. It just happens in a miraculous way, and it's entertaining ^^
Yes .. I believe it's not going to happen without the "selfing" anyway, right? I mean, the relative "self" is there no matter what, yes? It doesn't disappear, it's rather seen through.. and naturally known as extending (somewhere in the 'back rooms' of the experience) into infinite and beyond one's own seemingly limited "personal will".. right?
@georgesonm1774 I don't know. Maybe Angelo can tell us. 😁
But my reasoning is "How can Selfing disappear?" It just stops being appropriated by constructed individuality. No?
Wisdom is knowing I am nothing,
Love is knowing I am everything,
and between the two my life moves.
- Nisargadatta Maharaj
i love this so much.
🙏❤☮♾ Thank you
11:44 🔑 13:20 💣 13:41 💎
“Everything, is Nothing, appearing as Something.” 😮There is no one here, to know, there is no one here. LOL. 😝 🎉
What I want to understand is that if we are all one, then who exactly is “them” who control and do all the evil?
the Absolute is suffering - which is why you are here . to help
Im glad you asked this…I also would like to know
Nice
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I notice that l-theanine helps me "get it," see "it," etc. effortlessly/spontaneously. I think the physical body must relax (subtle tension creating the felt sense of a separate self), and the mind must relax (maybe DMN activation). After that, it's self-evident and obvious that there's one "everything," the person is an appearance in that "everything," and there's nothing perceiving that everything.
L_theanine, The food supplement? I guess being healthy and brain health in general can't Hurt . My.mjnds a lot crisper and less cloudy when I sleep well and take care of myself. I'm much less likely to get on thought trains.
Also, adaptogenic herbs ftw :)
Do you mean it is easier to experience it in terms of clearer sense of no boundaries? Experiencing thoughts as perceived rather than "spoken" by "you"? Mind being less eager to compulsively come up with labels to name separate "things" in the field of vision etc ? Better groundedness in the senses?
wow
With my teaching habit of analogies: every number can be divided into every other number but not zero. If zero represents the absolute and one the relative I find it interesting that on off switches have zero with a one in it the relative in the absolute. Draft I know.
I feel like interacting with people after realizing the absolute is kind of tricky. Sometimes it will be very obvious to me what someone else wants (or at least what their `person` wants), and, you know, I want to make them feel happy... but I feel hesitant to give what they want because it feels wrong to reinforce their identity structure. To circumvent these things I have been trying to aim for lighter interactions where no extra expectations are created so that both me and the other party can move on with their day without doing any additional selfing.
Figuring out how to interact with people who are suffering is also tricky 🥲
I can see that they are suffering because of some story that they are latching on, and while it feels very tempting to point that very directly to them, if done carelessly it basically just comes off as me invalidating their feelings. Reaffirming their story to make them feel good in the moment also doesn't really feel right, so I often don't really know what to do.
Another thing which I also haven't really figured out is like, what is a good thinking to not thinking ratio. I used to be an omega overthinker, and after realizing the absolute there has been this proclivity to shift in the opposite direction of not thinking or worrying about anything at all, which is like awesome, but I guess there's this still this part of me left that wants to think and theorize about things.
Well, to be honest, these are future concerns. I still have a lot of identity left that I want to work through beforehand. Theorizing about social interactions is kind of a waste time when you still have some people pleasing/validation seeking behavior, and a sense of righteousness lurking in the background which I can tell distorts my perception when interacting with others.
Actually, one amusing thing I have noticed, is that I can see my mind reifying the absolute and using it as a lens in order for me try to make sense of the relative world. Which of course, is kind of backwards, because the moment you reify the absolute it stops being the absolute. It's interesting how the mind can try to transform the lack of an orientation into an orientation.
Honestly, this awakening stuff is really odd. I've finished writing this comment, and as I reread it before posting it, it just feels like a bunch of words that don't mean anything. This sense that even though there are words, they don't refer to anything. Actually, I used to journal a lot but I stopped doing it because I realized that my mind would come up with random problems that didn't make any sense, and then I would believe them and have them torment me.
you sound like you're deep in bypass. glad you wrote this all out, you can copy and paste it and reflect on how you're mis-using these teachings
@@nobodynowhere21
thank you! I appreciate it!
May you help me understand where I'm going wrong? I'm not sure if I can figure it out by myself.
I did some reflecting. Here what's I came up with for now.
First thing, is that I'm well aware that my comment is just a bunch of thoughts and that they may not have much to do with what is actually happening in reality. I don't particularly strongly believe anything I said in that comment.
Second-- my comment does give the impression of me trying to micromanage/strategize my way around my life. I understand that this is unnecessary. Even if I don't actively think about relationships, things will turn out just fine so long as I trust life to do whatever it wants to do.
Third-- is that I feel like there are some "paternalistic" vibes in my comment (for lack of a better word). It's like I'm assuming that I know what's best for other people, which is definitely misguided and probably unnecessary or even harmful.
Fourth is, there maybe be avoidance vibes as well. I think that may be a genuine issue. I have a lot of trauma around close emotional relationships, and so I may very well be unconsciously avoiding them by reifying these teachings.
I think this is all I can come up with in this moment. I don't know if I'm being accurate or If I'm completely off base.
Another thing I have noticed, is that I may be using the "don't believe your thoughts" pointer as an excuse to not seriously engage with my issues. That said, I genuinely find it really hard to believe my thoughts or to make any meaning of them really.
Again, I would very much appreciate your help. I don't talk to other people very often so it's very possible that you see something very obvious, and yet completely invisible to me due to my cognitives biases.
As someone from a chronic overthinking background I will say to just play around with being the space for ‘others’. It seems all anybody wants is to be accepted unconditionally for who they are, so we are totally fine to accept where they are and understand it, but then your own truths kicks in so you don’t energise their suffering. It’s like a total acknowledgment of where they are at this moment. Because even the slightest hint of feeling like you’re the awakened one and they aren’t puts you back in duality again. I have also had some of the greatest pieces of wisdom delivered to me from people in deep suffering. For me it’s each moment is an opportunity to die/meet the present experience that is in front of me. Anything else about me being awake and them not Is that opening for separation. Hope that helps
@@Mickeysternum245
thank you! I think that's a nice way to look at things! It's true that a lot of people don't receive very much acknowledgement, and simply just being fully attentive in the way that you listen to them, even if you don't explicitly offer any advice or anything back, is a very healing and compassionate way to engage with others.
Hi, I'm deeply suffering in the shadow work, its really hard to look in a mirror without triggering panic around worthlessness. Im scared to be alone at night because of how intense my body contacts around all this suppressed emotional stuff im trying to release. Its been going on for so long now, years and I'm barely hanging in there atm. Last thing I want to do is Medicate myself but I feel I'm running out of options as I don't know what else to do and I've persevered through so much of this. Would medication be an issue do you think?
I want this awakening but to be honest I am not putting it before everything else. I dont know why.
How about putting it Within everything else?
@silverhandle Well I dont know how to answer that
I got to a place where it feels like everything is unfolding naturally. My life is painful and bumpy, but I’m processing shadow and opening up. I have the sense that I could press harder and do more-meditate, read more, etc-but that doesn’t feel necessary at the moment. I meditate when I feel like it. I practice mindfulness everywhere. It feels fine!
If you’re okay with it, great! If that doesn’t feel okay, why? Would you like to do more?
I am really having trouble with seeing whether or not I had a glimpse or an awakening. It’s driving me a bit mad because I don’t know how to practice anymore. Should I just stay with Mu or Who Am I even if I saw with zero doubt for a few minutes that there’s nobody there??? Idk what practice to engage with and everything I do feels like too much pressure
If anyone has pointers I would really appreciate
@Godamole: with respect, it appears that you are still seeking. The Me always seeks. Awakening isn’t the loss of Me; rather the realization that there never was a Me. 😊
It might help you to remember that whatever glimpses you have had are actually irrelevant now because they are just memories-thoughts. What matters is only what is present right now, and if you are in a place where you have no idea what to do, that is actually very promising. Stay right there. What is here? Where are you? Don’t conclude. Don’t say, “yeah, yeah, I get it; no one’s here.” Stay in the wondering. It’s
nothing you (or anyone else) thinks it is because thoughts, even the most insightful, are all in the dream. Stay in the wondering. Stay in the not knowing. If frustration comes up, feel it like it’s an ice cream cone you are licking every bit of. Taste it all. You are in a perfect place, the only possible place for your awakening. Taste it all. What is it? Don’t conclude.
I feel like Angelo would say you’re in a great spot! 😅
I would say be present with that confusion and discomfort! In my experience, all aspects of experience are useful, including times when I’ve been confused or desperate. Just…human to human, if you can be with and allow those feelings, that is a lovely thing, indeed. 🙏
❤