There was no evidence was primary evidence going to come from South Africa?.The real proof of rigging?? Chamisa lied to us and you still believe in his excuses nxaaa..Now he lost the case bcoz these guys did not represent him ? R u insane???
Chamisa had the evidence but it was blocked by the same constitutional, check the MDCs website all the V11 forms are there now . Clearly you don't know the manipulation that happened
WE thank our South African brothers , for showing us that colonial boarders do not define us we are all African , Ziyambi Ziyambi is a disgrace to the world.
I would like to thank the 2 advocates, for their willingness to be part of liberating Zimbabwe ,thank you gentlemen, we know you contributed much during the built up to this case, whatever the outcome is, we know we have brothers and sisters who are sympathetic to our cause. It was ZANU pf 's plan to bar the two men from representing they feared you because you are outstanding , they fear you because you are pan African and they fear you because they are no match for you, Should MDC win this case Zimbabweans will be forever indepted to you because of your contributions,your mere presence indicated your full comittment to the cause of MDC alliance and the rest of Zimbabweans,thank you and God bless you a.
Well said @nirbija I want to wipe my asses on this shameful traitors. I want to live in Zimbabwe rather than South Africa - please, as a south African, I offer my apologies to all of Africa.
Thank you very much Dali and Thembeka for your effort you really showed us that you were willing to help and protect the zimbabweans votes which were stolen from ..but zim corruption was incharge..#Godisinit
Thank you brothers for your efforts!!! This is exactly what every Zimbabwean is facing at the moment and time !!! We as Zimbabweans we have been deprived of our rights!!!! I’m sure if it was any other case !!! U wud have practiced anyway!! Just that the merit and size of the case was tooo big to allow you to take part !!!
No matter what happened I take the two as my best Advocates. Even Mpofu from Zimbabwe shows his balls, despite everything which happened. Big up my best Advocates.
Thank you guys at least you have seen the so called new dispensations and how evil it is , please take it up to Sadc they deserve to know Mugabe regimes still survives.
I understand the argument but my only worry is that you do not take cases that involve ordinary people. I suggest the two Advocates consider to provide their legal services to ordinary people
Yes,they are best at what they're doing and i wish if they can, jst share their wisdom with the young children of how to develop a persona of their statue.
If a country's judicial system is as this weak and contaminated, clearly the country had no real future. It's really a shame because Zimbabwe has always had history of intellectuals and a very strong education system.
I think these so called brilliant lawyers should participate in their issues at home..Your land issue is going to explode.You got paid your fees your participation was futile since there was no evidence..Please focus on the disaster brewing in your country
Dali and Tembeka, You were called to work by the alliance. you are learned in terms of law. but pliz do a bit of politics too. dont be very emotional. and dont be tools of regime change too. the evidence was presented by your side. study politics a bit more. i am glad you say we are one
Once again the outcome of the concourse is manipulated, why would the government send police on the streets before the results are announced while they know very well that people will not revolt but rather celebrate if MDC wins.
Thank Dali and Tembeka the Zimbabwe politics is for Zanu it does not have Zimbabweans at heart. Zanu is selfish that is all Zimbabwe will never be ok unless and until these old guys who still use the struggle as the way of ruling and entitlement
What a shame. You sound extremely knowledgeable. Im sure they knew your representation in the ConCourt would have been a real show down. The more I listen to all this post the judgement makes it clear that the people of Zimbabwe were indeed robbed.
Do you guys even know how long it takes for a Zimbabwean to obtain an SA work permit? The embassy won't even communicate...VFS tells you to keep checking
"make changes" FOR THEIR COUNTRY! South Africa is "Not Yet Uhuru". If those Africans of South Africa were liberated, they would have had zero obstruction. However, it makes no sense to allow non-liberated South Africans to delude themselves that they have the status to inject themselves in the governance affairs of LIBERATED Zimbabweans!
the decision was due to the weight of guiltness by the respondent ED , who felt that the oratory by the two esteemed advocates were going to expose the fraud , so openly.
These Lawyers are not licensed to practice law in Zimbabwe, and there are no reciprocity agreement in place for work permit to be granted so this seems like a non issue.
everyone here on youtube has the right to say whatever they want, you have to remember that it wasnt the whole country burning our zim brothers it was a certain areas. politics is a dirty game that seeks to divide us think about it before its illegal to think. on behalf my country on love to zimbabwe, these are words of a 22 year old south african who has nothing but love for africa. so my question is why do we distrust each other at every turn, we are neighbors but we are petty to one another. i certainly will be travelling to zim and and have goals of seeing the whole of africa. remember we are one thats one thing we should never forget ma-afrika.
+siyanda vusimuzi, must be one the the trash that opens wide for zimbabweans with folds of foreskin. As a Zulu you wont know the difference. Rumour in SA has it that they are as soft as cotton and useless in bed.
thats not my problem...and even if it is true whats your point?. you have waisted enough of my time. you clearly are not from azania and i should picked it up when you made the "im not an african comment".
vana vari kutambura muSA saka magweta emahuman rights maviri aya mabrothers ngavabatsire vana give them permits,descent living conditions and jobs above all LOVE ZVISINA POLITICS MUKATI.Charity begins at home first,not beyond boarders.
I am happy though that the 2 acknowledge they made an input on the matter presented to the concourt by advocate Thabani Mpofu Question is could they have presented and argued the case better ?
Jeoffrey Mutero. Well said but they tried to fight for Zimbabweans they were eager to represent part of our nation .....my thoughts are with those who were shot after elections may their souls rest in peace ....Chamisa should live to fight for another day
sandile msibi why? Did they deny these lawyers permits? Why cant we stand up for each other like white people? Trump is fighting for white people in SA yet you want to review papers if all Zimbabweans and?
sandile msibi True, but at least be objective, why punish all Zimbabweans in SA because of one minister’s decision to 2 SAs? I like the lawyers concerned’s efforts to allow regional integration and free to work in any SADC country of your choice if you can get a job
i am rily sorry that the guys from other countries were denied the right to represent the alliance, i just feel we have capable lawyers in Zimbabwe given the display and articulation we saw in the court, This is primarily as Zimbabwean issue and secondarily a SADC so we will solve our issue first by our own and then later SADC,
I honestly feel that you are misguided sir, the issue is not much of whether we have capable lawyers in Zimbabwe or not but rather an issue of representation of choice as a constitutionally protected right. The applicant (MDC A)had requested South African Legal practitioners for reasons best known to him and that needed to be respected. Simple!
The most unintelligent comment, hypocrisy 🙄 one moment blaming SA for supporting ZPF and not helping one moment you are capable of handing your own woes and crying sovereignty.
And LIBERATED lawyers too in Zimbabwe! lol South Africa is "Not Yet Uhuru"! That should be the PRIORITY of South African so-called "lawyers". Fix their problem AT HOME before interfering in the affairs of others. That IS the African way! These sell-outs are taking leaves from the nasty book of the evil europeans who are always interfering in the affairs of others.
For the worst I hate zanu pple ,but I'm really happy about SA advocates to be denied working permits ,since I've worked in SA they have denied us permits so who are they to be granted wt permits just like that! Nw they are saying we are one region they must be exemplary there bfre they complain.
As much as they are correct i learnt in SA and during my time there as a law student i cldnt even get vacation work or internship at one of the SA law firms because am Zimbabwean. South Africa has to do more than any other country in SADC as far as this issue is concerned. Its a night mare to practice law in South Africa in fact SA is not a reciprocating country. Lets read the two legal practitioners acts and compare.
Takunda Musara u just want to put a stigma on SA because u favour the ruling party, there are so many Zimbabweans who are happily working here in this industry, infect they are multi millionaires do your research my dear and we love and support them as they are doing great job.
Actually, one of the requirements to work as an attorney or an advocate is that you have to be a permanent resident of South Africa. In order to get permanent residency you must have worked in South Africa for atleast 5 years- then you might get a permanent residency...might. This is not about favouring the ruling party, its about stating facts.
@@emmanuels6003 you correct i know SA law and the law is also clear this side. They were not granted permits coz of the law not coz of the minister favouring his party. If he did he was using the law. They made incomplete applications and Garnlet did supply all documents n he was granted a temporary permit. However Sa law does not provide for temporary permits. The guys are complaining about the law wc gives the minister powers to decide n in most cases these ministers are partisan. If we are to deal away with colonial borders we shld all make it easy SA included. Sa is not a saint on this issue Zim is actually betta
@@user-uo7ff3pl5u i know all that u are right but both countries shld look into their laws n reform. Our laws make it difficulty esp in the legal field for one to practice in both countries with Zim being slightly betta. Many Zimbos are working in Sa thats true but not as lawyers the process is just horrible.
We owed you nothing and don't have to do anything for you go back where you came from. We don't give a shit about SADC, we are in BRICS, we play with big guys and not with peasants. We are not going to reciprocate with sub standard nations like yours that use the laws of the jungle. We dont want to reciprocate and theres nothing you foreigners can do to change that. We do NOT want you in our country and thats that.
stil the same ..one Ncube cant work without permit ..and the other Ncube from KZN can work without a permit..difference is the same start from there...Svoto..
Thank you Advocate Thembeka and Dali for your efforts and solidarity you have shown to us Zimbabweans, we really appreciate and love you #Godisinit
You are a fool.
There was no evidence was primary evidence going to come from South Africa?.The real proof of rigging?? Chamisa lied to us and you still believe in his excuses nxaaa..Now he lost the case bcoz these guys did not represent him ? R u insane???
Chamisa had the evidence but it was blocked by the same constitutional, check the MDCs website all the V11 forms are there now . Clearly you don't know the manipulation that happened
@@daddyteddy85 if you don't know politics keep quiet papa relax where ever you are
@@rorirory121 thank you who ever you are
Thank you our African brothers for standing with us!
Who are your brothers?
All your neighbours hate you.
Hey you Rori Rory what is really your problem get lot tsak
Zimbobo peasants, you deserve ZANU-PF and its murderous ways.
We are your brothers.
WE thank our South African brothers , for showing us that colonial boarders do not define us we are all African , Ziyambi Ziyambi is a disgrace to the world.
Who are your South African brothers, why dont you name them? South Africans want the colonial borders thats why we keep them.
@@rorirory121 you actually whts your furckn problem? were is your mom?
indeed he is disgrace, a misfortune to our justice system
We really appreciate your willingness to come and help us ...............you'll always be part of our history
I would like to thank the 2 advocates, for their willingness to be part of liberating Zimbabwe ,thank you gentlemen, we know you contributed much during the built up to this case, whatever the outcome is, we know we have brothers and sisters who are sympathetic to our cause. It was ZANU pf 's plan to bar the two men from representing they feared you because you are outstanding , they fear you because you are pan African and they fear you because they are no match for you, Should MDC win this case Zimbabweans will be forever indepted to you because of your contributions,your mere presence indicated your full comittment to the cause of MDC alliance and the rest of Zimbabweans,thank you and God bless you a.
true
Very true
moyo guest true
Are you saying our lawyers are less of these 2 locals
thanks for your efforts guys...u tried your best
He will not remain for a very long time, watch the space. Thank you our Brothers for assisting Us👏👍❤️
Advocate mpofu and tembeka God bless you....tell them what you saw....we dont trust the court
I like it there Dali when yousay this case is about us the people of Zimbabwe, thank you so much guys for supporting us
well said, they were afraid of these lawyers.
We thank you guys see you then don't worry God will wash our tears
Well said @nirbija I want to wipe my asses on this shameful traitors. I want to live in Zimbabwe rather than South Africa - please, as a south African, I offer my apologies to all of Africa.
Thank you for your input. You tried yo best. God is watching.....
Yes, your foreign and fictitious character, "God", "is watching" losers banding together and losing even bigger! lol
15:00 mins moment of truth. Thank you Adv
Will be happy if you take the matter to sadc, we are tired of this Junta government in Zimbabwe they must chase them away from SADC
Why dont you take it yourself?
Thank you very much Dali and Thembeka for your effort you really showed us that you were willing to help and protect the zimbabweans votes which were stolen from ..but zim corruption was incharge..#Godisinit
thank you Dali Mpofu and Tembeka Ngcukaitobi, you are heroes !!!!!
Thank you brothers for your efforts!!! This is exactly what every Zimbabwean is facing at the moment and time !!! We as Zimbabweans we have been deprived of our rights!!!! I’m sure if it was any other case !!! U wud have practiced anyway!! Just that the merit and size of the case was tooo big to allow you to take part !!!
The best two energetic and intelligent advocates we have in South Africa
No matter what happened I take the two as my best Advocates. Even Mpofu from Zimbabwe shows his balls, despite everything which happened. Big up my best Advocates.
Thank you Dali and Thembeka, God bless you
thank you for your efforts guys.. what you have means a lot.. God bless always
Thank you Advocates by standing with the People of Zimbabwe.its a slap on AU &SADC!
Thank you for your contribution to democracy
Thank you for the efforts gentleman. I hope you understand our position.
Thank you advocates expose them to the world they were bribed
Thank you guys at least you have seen the so called new dispensations and how evil it is , please take it up to Sadc they deserve to know Mugabe regimes still survives.
Takunda Manyika it goes 2 show that south africa is the only country in the continent of africa that practice democracy
People of Zimbabwe have suffered more than enough
Rori Roy you are the fool
Thank you brothers you do your best may your god bless you.
Ziyambi Ziyambi is a disgrace to our country. What a shame!!!
Are you saying so because they were denied rights and if so are you insinuating that Thabani Mpofu is less of a lawyer.
Thank you brother you do your best may god bless
Thank you advocates for trying your best and exposing these coup administrators
I understand the argument but my only worry is that you do not take cases that involve ordinary people. I suggest the two Advocates consider to provide their legal services to ordinary people
Thank you guys, we appreciate
Thank you Advocat Darlie and Advocat Thembeka
thank you gentlemen we appreciate your efforts.
Thanx you fellow brothers
Yes,they are best at what they're doing and i wish if they can, jst share their wisdom with the young children of how to develop a persona of their statue.
If a country's judicial system is as this weak and contaminated, clearly the country had no real future. It's really a shame because Zimbabwe has always had history of intellectuals and a very strong education system.
We sometimes speak louder when silent..We shall wait to see what future holds for Zim I'm the next coming 5years..
the reality of how political oppression has destroyed the sanctity of the judiciary in Zimbabwe.
I salute u guys
I respect the two Advocates
I Love it when Dali sticks to law and leaves political stuff , Tembeka as always ❤❤😁😁 a pleasure.
well said guys i luv u guys
Inspiring figures in South Africa,SADC and Africa.
We shouldn't br fighting Zims Malawians to come in and do biz🙄we should rather be fighting for SAcans to do biz in Zim Malawi sadc
I think these so called brilliant lawyers should participate in their issues at home..Your land issue is going to explode.You got paid your fees your participation was futile since there was no evidence..Please focus on the disaster brewing in your country
If what Dali Mpofu is saying about Minister of Justice...then Zim law is a joke...
Zimbabweans are not allowed to practice law in south Africa ,People should note that law is different from other professionals ,
Dali and Tembeka, You were called to work by the alliance. you are learned in terms of law. but pliz do a bit of politics too. dont be very emotional. and dont be tools of regime change too. the evidence was presented by your side.
study politics a bit more. i am glad you say we are one
Once again the outcome of the concourse is manipulated, why would the government send police on the streets before the results are announced while they know very well that people will not revolt but rather celebrate if MDC wins.
Thank Dali and Tembeka the Zimbabwe politics is for Zanu it does not have Zimbabweans at heart. Zanu is selfish that is all Zimbabwe will never be ok unless and until these old guys who still use the struggle as the way of ruling and entitlement
good job guys .we love you
Thanks so much for your support .
Black excellence 🔥🔥
thank you so much guys
What a shame. You sound extremely knowledgeable. Im sure they knew your representation in the ConCourt would have been a real show down. The more I listen to all this post the judgement makes it clear that the people of Zimbabwe were indeed robbed.
Do you guys even know how long it takes for a Zimbabwean to obtain an SA work permit? The embassy won't even communicate...VFS tells you to keep checking
Tonderai Cheza even with an MBA & wealth of experience, the treatment eish,, hope these 2 will make changes for both countries
"make changes" FOR THEIR COUNTRY!
South Africa is "Not Yet Uhuru".
If those Africans of South Africa were liberated, they would have had zero obstruction.
However, it makes no sense to allow non-liberated South Africans to delude themselves that they have the status to inject themselves in the governance affairs of LIBERATED Zimbabweans!
@Londeka Zikalala ,we wait for permits in SA but allowed to work
the decision was due to the weight of guiltness by the respondent ED , who felt that the oratory by the two esteemed advocates were going to expose the fraud , so openly.
These Lawyers are not licensed to practice law in Zimbabwe, and there are no reciprocity agreement in place for work permit to be granted so this seems like a non issue.
everyone here on youtube has the right to say whatever they want, you have to remember that it wasnt the whole country burning our zim brothers it was a certain areas. politics is a dirty game that seeks to divide us think about it before its illegal to think. on behalf my country on love to zimbabwe, these are words of a 22 year old south african who has nothing but love for africa. so my question is why do we distrust each other at every turn, we are neighbors but we are petty to one another. i certainly will be travelling to zim and and have goals of seeing the whole of africa. remember we are one thats one thing we should never forget ma-afrika.
@@rorirory121 does that make me and you evil as well?
yes if you are an African it makes you evil, not me because I'm not an African, I'm a black South African and I do not like Africans.
@@rorirory121 thats on you then I'm African that lives in the southern most tip of Africa let me go back to isizulu sami
+siyanda vusimuzi, must be one the the trash that opens wide for zimbabweans with folds of foreskin. As a Zulu you wont know the difference. Rumour in SA has it that they are as soft as cotton and useless in bed.
thats not my problem...and even if it is true whats your point?. you have waisted enough of my time. you clearly are not from azania and i should picked it up when you made the "im not an african comment".
Everyone put your eyes to God don't lose hope.
These guys are fair and they made a mistake of disrespecting these guys.
vana vari kutambura muSA saka magweta emahuman rights maviri aya mabrothers ngavabatsire vana give them permits,descent living conditions and jobs above all LOVE ZVISINA POLITICS MUKATI.Charity begins at home first,not beyond boarders.
Nowhere in the world do u apply for to appear in a foreign court 4 days before the court date..These guys are liars
They were scared of u guys
Thank you guys
This are the best advocates SA if wasn't our South African law that were made and created for those. Allegedly
This two are the best lawyer's back home S.A the eff boys.
If it's possible start sorting all the requirements we will need you again this time
How can a minister exercise this power as it is stated that during elections all ministerial duties are dissolved
I am happy though that the 2 acknowledge they made an input on the matter presented to the concourt by advocate Thabani Mpofu
Question is could they have presented and argued the case better ?
Jeoffrey Mutero. Well said but they tried to fight for Zimbabweans they were eager to represent part of our nation .....my thoughts are with those who were shot after elections may their souls rest in peace ....Chamisa should live to fight for another day
and pliz dont forget our very own jeremy...pure zim product
Those Chairs are so Uncomfortable...
Well spoken
Look at us now. Success in one culture defeats the other. Our country is in a bad space. There is more separation now among us compared to apartheid.
You did wel guys
GET AWAY STAY THERE WE HAVE CAPABLE LAWYERS HERE
And the Vice President has already sent out invitations to the inauguration hours before the court hearing..
Please take it up
we should review documents off all the Zimbabwean in RSA
sandile msibi why being harsh to your fellow brothers and sisters, your thinking is the reason why blk are behind in civilisation,
Skin colour does not make one my cousin, friend or even brother n/ sister...
sandile msibi why? Did they deny these lawyers permits? Why cant we stand up for each other like white people? Trump is fighting for white people in SA yet you want to review papers if all Zimbabweans and?
Do u understand English before u rush into conclusion listen what those guys are saying
sandile msibi True, but at least be objective, why punish all Zimbabweans in SA because of one minister’s decision to 2 SAs? I like the lawyers concerned’s efforts to allow regional integration and free to work in any SADC country of your choice if you can get a job
Thanks to the 2 Advocates, but i want to correct the presenter that the court hearing was broadcast live. TV and live streaming.
Christ lord tembeka is a beast.
Zimbabwe is an Oppressed Republic
i am rily sorry that the guys from other countries were denied the right to represent the alliance, i just feel we have capable lawyers in Zimbabwe given the display and articulation we saw in the court, This is primarily as Zimbabwean issue and secondarily a SADC so we will solve our issue first by our own and then later SADC,
I honestly feel that you are misguided sir, the issue is not much of whether we have capable lawyers in Zimbabwe or not but rather an issue of representation of choice as a constitutionally protected right. The applicant (MDC A)had requested South African Legal practitioners for reasons best known to him and that needed to be respected. Simple!
Its not about capable lawyers,its about diversity of ideas within the team
The most unintelligent comment, hypocrisy 🙄 one moment blaming SA for supporting ZPF and not helping one moment you are capable of handing your own woes and crying sovereignty.
Aaah, this Mpofu is Zimbabwean. Now that explains his conduct & his arrogance towards professor Thuli Madonsela this week.
Kings 💯❤
Great
ZIMBABWE HAS CAPABLE LAWYERS THANK YOU VERY MUCH!
And LIBERATED lawyers too in Zimbabwe! lol
South Africa is "Not Yet Uhuru"!
That should be the PRIORITY of South African so-called "lawyers".
Fix their problem AT HOME before interfering in the affairs of others. That IS the African way!
These sell-outs are taking leaves from the nasty book of the evil europeans who are always interfering in the affairs of others.
Welcome to Zim
@ENCA 4:55 seconds Did Xoli just refereed to Adv Ngcukaitobi as Miss?
Kkkk true he said so
eeww Jama i thought i'm hearing things lol
He did... 🤦♀️
Hehehehehe
For the worst I hate zanu pple ,but I'm really happy about SA advocates to be denied working permits ,since I've worked in SA they have denied us permits so who are they to be granted wt permits just like that! Nw they are saying we are one region they must be exemplary there bfre they complain.
Do you know how long it takes a work permit as a Zimbabwean in SA.
long enuf we know that work permit is not automatic to get so fraustrating, dindingwe rinonaka
As much as they are correct i learnt in SA and during my time there as a law student i cldnt even get vacation work or internship at one of the SA law firms because am Zimbabwean. South Africa has to do more than any other country in SADC as far as this issue is concerned. Its a night mare to practice law in South Africa in fact SA is not a reciprocating country. Lets read the two legal practitioners acts and compare.
Takunda Musara u just want to put a stigma on SA because u favour the ruling party, there are so many Zimbabweans who are happily working here in this industry, infect they are multi millionaires do your research my dear and we love and support them as they are doing great job.
Actually, one of the requirements to work as an attorney or an advocate is that you have to be a permanent resident of South Africa. In order to get permanent residency you must have worked in South Africa for atleast 5 years- then you might get a permanent residency...might. This is not about favouring the ruling party, its about stating facts.
@@emmanuels6003 you correct i know SA law and the law is also clear this side. They were not granted permits coz of the law not coz of the minister favouring his party. If he did he was using the law. They made incomplete applications and Garnlet did supply all documents n he was granted a temporary permit. However Sa law does not provide for temporary permits. The guys are complaining about the law wc gives the minister powers to decide n in most cases these ministers are partisan. If we are to deal away with colonial borders we shld all make it easy SA included. Sa is not a saint on this issue Zim is actually betta
@@user-uo7ff3pl5u i know all that u are right but both countries shld look into their laws n reform. Our laws make it difficulty esp in the legal field for one to practice in both countries with Zim being slightly betta. Many Zimbos are working in Sa thats true but not as lawyers the process is just horrible.
We owed you nothing and don't have to do anything for you go back where you came from. We don't give a shit about SADC, we are in BRICS, we play with big guys and not with peasants. We are not going to reciprocate with sub standard nations like yours that use the laws of the jungle. We dont want to reciprocate and theres nothing you foreigners can do to change that. We do NOT want you in our country and thats that.
As for Adv Dali I forgot what I wanted to say about him.
thnk you guyz
It's fake for you. This is a new dawn for Zimbabwe with whomever is in power.
stil the same ..one Ncube cant work without permit ..and the other Ncube from KZN can work without a permit..difference is the same start from there...Svoto..
gugulethu ncube what's your point here
I thought you were doing it free of charge
SouthAfrica is not a reciprocating country. They need to write an exam first. Fact
What difference would it have made. It was clearly a losing team.
so painful
The Almighty God is not sleeping... time chetechete