Majin Buu Race From WEAKEST To STRONGEST
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I've always maintained that kid buu isn't stronger but he's far more unrestrained which make for absolutely insane feats
Agreed, he's just crazy so it's hard to beat him.
That makes sense to me
FACTS
you can somehow win against a strong man with intelligence and has morals or baselines
but you cant win against a crazy man who would do anything just because he wishes
the crazy ones are always more dangerous
Except for in the anime.
It's filler, but Buuhan had a tantrum that almost ripped apart the universe.
If we just keep it to Manga, I agree with you.
One thing I've noticed over the yrs is it seems where people rank Buu forms is influenced by their primary version of the series. The dub seems heavily favor Kid Buu because of a script change. Toei is back and forth because they put in fillers and have the narrator increasingly hype every new fight. The manga favors Buuhan, but that's because Toriyama's story and encounters is more tightly controlled and you get things like pre-issue write ups and bios plus other out of character statements (like calling Buuhan the mightiest Majin)
I always thought Buu's antenna grows longer after absorbing Gotenks because it slightly mimics the ssj3 hair
Me too
Ion think that's true but that's a DOPE idea bro
Agreed
I thought the same 😲
Antena size matter. If antena is big that majin buu much stronger than privious
To be fair the series is a bit contradictory towards which is the strongest buu. Having read the manga first i always go with Buuhan, since those lines about Kid Buu being the strongest are only in the anime.
and even in the anime it is an obvious mistranslation. If you say kid boo > Buuhan, that also implies Goku > Vegito. Simple logic
@@sockosophie3132they couldn’t measure god ki like they do in super even in super comic they be saying kid buu had god powers so yes. Couldn’t measure the unmeasurable.
@@therealomega2467 Kid Buu didn't have god ki at that time. That was a retcon to make Majin Buu important during the Moro Arc.
@@therealomega2467 they can measure up buu 's ki . it's true that in super, buu manifest god's power (the kaioshin magic vs moro) , but this power have been removed from kid buu , with the removal of that big buu in question .
@@gabrob3449 no they stated god ki went to kid buu and fat buu just got the looks.
Honestly I think the Kid Buu vs Super Buu debate gets muddled a lot by filler. Cause the filler makes both Kid Buu and Goku out to be stronger than the manga did. It's for the same reason that people thought 100% Frieza was stronger than SSJ1 Goku on Namek, filler.
Nah, Goku and Kid Buu were definitely strongest in the anime but you'd have to be mental to think Frieza was any type of stronger than Goku in the anime. After Frieza's initial 100% onslaught Goku smirks and verbatim says is that all.
@@LegendarySSJackson In the anime I would say 100% Frieza dominates for a while and it gives the impression that he only started losing because of the stamina drain. Compare to the manga were he gets in a few good hits, but still clearly doesn't have a chance. Frieza's nova strike also puts Goku down for almost a whole episode in the anime, when in the manga Goku pops back out of the water a few seconds later. So yeah the anime makes Frieza stronger than the manga did.
@@TeamTowers1 you just changed the goal post. You said people thought 100% Frieza was stronger than ssj Namek Goku, which at no point was he ever implied or shown to be so. In the manga Goku finishes frieza in a total of 15 hits (you can count it) but it was dragged out immensely in the anime but we were immediately shown the 100% frieza was next to nothing to anime Goku.
@@TeamTowers1 literally all you have is the nova strike, which temporarily has Goku down and recovering in every version regardless of time.
@@LegendarySSJackson I've seen plenty of people who think 100% Frieza is stronger than SSJ Goku and it's precisely because of the extended beat down and ragdolling he give Goku (that doesn't happen in the manga), that they think that, hell I've seen people who think that the nova strike killed Goku and that he got ressed when they wished everyone killed by Frieza and his men back. For the record I don't think the anime was implying the latter, but I think it's pretty understandable why people think it was implying the former
I agree with kid buu being weaker than super buu
I see them about equal in strength with kid buu being more dangerous (not stronger) by simply being an agent of chaos and completely unpredictable
Kid stronger
if you say that he was more dangerous - it was eng sub - in the original he was strongest, even Toriyama say that.
@@errorexe319 I am not refering to any sub, rather the way Kid Buu is presented. He is completely unreasonable only existing to destroy and fullfill his most basic instincts/desires. Super Buu at the very least could be bargained with to some extend (giving Trunks and Goten an extra hour to get prepared for their battle for example).
About your Toriyama argument, when/where was it stated by him that Kid Buu was strongest, it would stay in stark contrast to Buu after absorbing Gotenks and/or Gohan, who is capable of easily overpowering Mystic Gohan (or whatever he is called, I am going with the most known name for this "form") while KId Buu was about evenly matched with SSJ3 Goku.
Also Toriyama is famous for being an unreliable narrator to his own stories, something that surely helped Dragon Ball´s narrative overall, but makes it harder in terms of continuity and stable content
Nope confirmed kid buu was the strongest buu
It baffles me how many people are holding onto kid buu being the strongest
Kid Buu is the strongest because the Manga/Anime/Toriyama says so.
Anything otherwise is head cannon.
@@massdagod When super absorbed gottenks he said he was the mightiest majin "PAST, PRESENT, and future". He remembers being kid buu in the past when he says this, so he outright says he is stronger than kid buu. Toriyama wrote that, and anything otherwise is head cannon.
Corny people
@@massdagodshut up
@@StandXGamma Yeah because everything that is ever said by a character is universal fact.... There is 0% chance that was said because of the influence of Saiyan pride....
My friend used to tell me “Super Buu is stronger than kid buu, kid buu is just more chaotic which makes him a tougher force to deal with” and that transcribed with me since as my head canon.
thats exactly what my friend told me too
And he is right, its exactly this.
Did we alll have the same friend? Lol
If buu absorbs people it makes him stronger and depending how many fighters & their strength, by that logic plain and simple buuhan is stronger than kid buu. How are people missing that?
If he absorbs a anyone of pure heart it makes him weaker.Thats why he became less powerful after absorbing the Kais.
@@AaronWayne-wl2ji where is that stated
@@AaronWayne-wl2ji he became less powerful because the elder kai destroyed his brain. The only absorption that was stated to make him weaker was this one.
Have cell absorb gohan + android= super perfect cell. And have buu absorb super perfect cell
@@StandXGamma Yeah but because of it you could say that for example:
kid buu is at 10, after absorbing kai he is at 3, after that lets say super buu will be at 5 and he is made stronger with gohan/piccolo but it get him only to 9. So super buu
Through the usual progression of each new iteration usually being stronger than the last, I assumed Kid Buu being the most “pure” Buu would be the strongest. But you definitely got me rethinking that entirely lmao. Great research and presentation my guy!
So you thought him absorbing people made him weaker? Lol
@@Don-fw3nvwell given new info from super where it shows that Buu can separate someone's power from their actual absorbed body as is the case with the sai kaioshin it's possible he never lost any power from super buu
Glad people realize kid buu isn't stronger than super buu. He's just more dangerous cuz unlike super buu, kid buu won't wait around for a fight. I hate the anime put that line in by goku saying kid buu was strongest
Nope your feelings are irrelevant
Kid buu by all media is confirmed the strongest buu
@@supesisfodder7427 Your brain is irrelevant
I thought kid buu was the strongest but super buu just has a shred of common sense.Kid buu is fucking insane
@@bernardeubanks7264 he is the strongest
@@supesisfodder7427 if you don't like facts yeah he does
Maybe Buu gains not only power and intelligence but also fighting styles, ideas, potential? Kid Buu knew how to use instant transmission because he saw the memories of everyone seeing it multiple times (Fat Buu only saw it once). Cell also saw it 4+ times (ESPECIALLY seeing it used THREE TIMES during the Cell games alone) and just learned it. People think its Toriyama plot convenience. Maybe it isnt. Both Cell and Majin Buu also learned Kamehamehas by seeing it (just like Goku did). Even in the Saiyan Saga, Vegeta saw them do it and like
..learned it in his pod on the way to Namek.
For those of you who dont remember when Cell saw instant transmission:
1) When Goku saved Piccolo and Tien before the Cell games. (He might of used one for Piccolo and one for Tien so arriving and each save might have made this 3 times including arrival)
2) When he fled with Piccolo and Tien
3) Instant transmission Kamehameha
4) 2nd form going to King Kai (HE WAS LITERALLY TOUCHING CELL when he did it. So Cell even got to see how telepprting felt.
cell got it by absorbing goku's cells when exploding so he got his powers from after the frieza saga
@lennertmertens1521 Nice to know. I always just figured with the explosion of the entire planet that it would have vaporized Goku. Is that in the manga, anime, or head cannon? Either way, it's a fair point. DBZ is like 90% off-screen training while fights are on screen, 5% on screen training, and 5% "I didn't think that would work" anyway.
I agree with your overall point but just wanna say that it's more likely that Buu was using the 'Kai-Kai' (Kibito's Kaioshin or 'Godly' version of Instant-Travel) than Instant Transmission, reason being that it was said by the Supreme Kai (who was currently fused with Kibito) while he, Elder Kai, Goku, and Vegeta were hovered around a crystal ball, watching Kid Buu warp away after the destruction of Earth.
Dialogue went as follows, right after Buu vanished:
Vegeta: What is he up to know?!
Elder Kai: He's jumped to another inhabited planet, several systems away!
Supreme Kai: Unbelievable! Just from seeing it once, he's mastered Kibito's transportation technique!
(Taken from DBZ: Kai)
So while it might not be something gained from a memory, it is still something he learned from witnessing. Same concept ofc. I think, in fact, this tidbit actually adds to your take on Buu's capabilities.
Great list. Super Buu is stronger than Kid Buu for sure, BUT as others have said, Kid Buu was more dangerous because he wasn't as restrained like other Buus
People out here still thinking kid buu is the strongest😭
I think people get it mixed up because kid buu is chaotic as hell. While super buu was having actual fights,kid buu was booming planets because he wanted to
Kid buu is the stronger, lmfao
@@ruddyxmax he’s not. You few dbz fans that truly think this are very concerning
The only version of Buu that’s stronger than Kid Buu is Buuhan.
Buuthenks and super buu as well@@RuanAntunes7
SSJ3 Gotenks Vs Super Buu is honestly the only evidence I need to say Kid Buu is weaker & actually by a lot.
Always thought the antenna getting longer was just from Gotenks absorption.
Nope their energy wasn’t enough to defeat kid buu with the spirit bomb
So wrong
@@supesisfodder7427 Life or Spirit energy to make the spirit bomb is different from normal Ki.
@@neem9115 nope their power to the fullest
You failed
@@supesisfodder7427 Spirit Bomb is a gathering of life energy/vitality, normal humans can't use ki.
Base Vegito, Gohan & Gotenks would've stomped kid Buu powerwise.
@@neem9115 nope that’s their power at their fullest as stated
Too bad moron
No one in the show ever called kid buu the "strongest", he's dead even with Goku
They say he's the most "dangerous" because he's just completely unhinged. Big difference
Lol it was stated like 4 separate times kid buu was the strongest
As a kid buu fan, ill admit, I spent a piss ton of time as him throuout the games
Majin buu & Cell are the rwo most dangerous of all DBZ characters
I believe Black Frieza will change that
(Meaning his potential in DBZ, not his power level)
@TheAxeter that's only because he has been allowed to evolve through out this whole series/manga/fan made/etc...
@@earllittle6591 Well not really, he trains to evolve extremely rarely. But I get what you mean, I just consider potential a big danger, separate from the danger of presented power level
@@TheAxeter Cell got Frieza genes. And although he always claims he's perfect, he is always in the pursuit of perfection. Imagine if he decides to train for a few months, and he actually allows power ups, which further enhanced his combat power.
The reason he wasnt weakened by absorbing gohan for example is he isnt a kai. The key there is the kai aspect being a pure hearted god. Gohan is a mortal huge difference and creates a massive flaw in your argument. There is also a difference between buutanks and super buu and it is stated that when fat buu was removed from super buu that he wasnt losing any strength but in fact gaining.
the increasing strength ur talking bout is the moment where buu take on the bulkier form just before going back as kid buu. super buu translated briefly to the other form he still had
it's also stated that power was decreasing , the moment when it's stated that buu power increase is when buu get muscled up , (one of the 4 kai form) . but anyway kid buu is definitely stronger than big buu . his form is more suited to combat (like super buu form) and we saw goku struggling more vs kid then he struggled vs big buu .
Like the other comment mentions, that was Huge Buu/Buff Buu (whichever you want to call him). When he went to Kid Buu they actually sensed him as weaker and Goku said they could handle him. In contrast Goku had just like a chapter before said they had 0 shot against Super Buu. But then with Kid Buu he crushes his potara and tells Vegeta he probably won't get a turn.
He made the mistake about gaging SSJ3 stamina drain, but it's obvious how he ranked the Buu forms in that section of the story (Buff Buu - Super Buu - Kid Buu)
I always loved the super buu design and attitude he portrayed on kami’s lookout. Especially his human extinction attack🔥🔥🗿
Baby scorpions are exponentially more dangerous than adult scorpions because they don't (or can't) control their venom. They expend all of it on a single strike whereas the adult will conserve it. Kid Buu is a baby scorpion.
1. More dangerous and more powerful are 2 different things. If an adult scorpion used all its venom at once like a baby scorpion did they’d put down their target exponentially faster than a baby scorpion.
2. This could also potentially make the baby scorpion weaker as it quite literally puts all its eggs into one basket only to get rocked by something that resists/is immune to scorpion venom and now the baby has no way of fighting.
20:57 Goten Is Wild For That One Lmao
From how I see things, I see Super Buu being the full potential Buu can weild in a suitable body by himself without absorbing others to become more powerful. Kid Buu is pretty much how powerful he is without having any hinderences, yet he never learned how to access his own potential without absorbing.
All of the other Buu forms (Minus Uub) are influenced by what he absorbed, even Super Buu, who still had the Supreme Kai through Good Buu. I don't know how long Buu remained Kid Buu before absorbing the Kai. Absorbing others made him mature ìn an artificial manner, and Kid Buu being pure feels like his age also reverted to a child's, which is likewise be his natural age.
So Super Buu and Uub being stronger than Kid Buu makes sense. Super Buu showed his potential while Uub is the version that gets the training to access that potential without using a kind of shortcut.
Only casual fans think kid buu is the strongest
I won't say "casual" as much as it's corny fans trynna be different. To prove kid buu is stronger, you have to by proxy prove Goku was stronger than Gohan, Because Goku was stated in the same guides that say kid buu is the strongest, that he is equal to him. I also shared a picture in the video that i did not talk about that states Gohan in his ultimate form was confirmed to be stronger than goku in DBZ.
Yet statements guides and the screen righter state otherwise
@@donut2123Yet power scaling and common sense say all anyone needs to see
@@gangstagummybear3432 statements>your head cannon
@@donut2123all those statements guides n etc can be easily debunked and relying from out of universe statements from Mr forgetful himself Akira toriyama is CRAZY. Kid buu Stan’s simply choose evidence that works for them and ignore EVERYTHING else
Sorry but there is no way Android 21 is weaker then Majuub. GT and Super's power gap is way to freaking massive. Android 21 is fighting the entire Z-Fighters who are roughly around the Universe 6 and Black storylines. Which even back in the first saga (BOG) Goku and Beerus were already causing the entire universe to disintegrate in just a couple punches which is far better then anything shown in GT.
Yeah I can see that
Dragon ball fighters isn't canon
What put the Universe in danger in DBS, is when Gods of Destruction are fighting, that was specified in the beggning of the Universe 6 Tournament when Bills and Champa were fighting, same thing happened in the Baseball episode, so it's mostly a Hax feat that happen when Gods of Destruction fight + The Shockwaves which was the result of both SSGod Goku and Bills fighting were getting larger and stronger the far they travel through the universe, and that happened because of physics rather than their strenght as well.
You underestimate the power level in gt. Majuub is most definitely stronger than the future trunks/ Goku black arc
Uh, dude, you are forgetting how, at the very beginning of the game, it is explained that all character's powers were nerfed thanks to Gero's weird beam. That is the only reason why Yamcha and Nappa actually have a chance to fight and potentially beat the likes of Frieza and Cell.
I’v been finally convinced that super buu is stronger. Thank you
He's not Kabito Kai literally told Elder Kai that Buu absorbing the Kais made him weaker so if he absorbed Gotenks,Gohan & Piccolo it would give him some of his power back but not all of it.
@@austin31697 that makes no sense. They said it tamed him. It made him less violent. In the manga he was never described as the strongest. Can’t Dragon ball fans ever read???
@@A107-v9e it does make sense you dope. Kidd Buu obviously had more power, stop downplaying the facts cause he was "untamed" as Kidd Buu, THEY STILL COULDNT STOP OR BEAT KIDD BUU THEY NEED EARTH,GOKU & THE DRAGON BALLS TO BEAT KIDD BUU.
Goku literally stated he could've beaten Fat Buu but he wanted The Boys to do it. So yes Kidd Buu was indeed the strongest Buu.
@@A107-v9e not to mention a Saiyan can't stay transformed for long periods of time which means super buhhan had to have been getting weaker due to the drawbacks of the mortal bodies.
@@austin31697your last statement about buuhan getting weaker is entirely headcanon. There is literally nothing in the show that suggest that. Gohan had his full power unlocked in his base. You’re talking out of your $ss dude.
These were the debates in elementary school 20 years ago; and actually recently 😂
Majuub is literally a decade ahead of all the others
crazy how we can't have buu in the tournament of power, but master roshi can 1v1 jirin
Lmaoooo 💀
I like the idea that kid buu is physically the weakest, but makes full use of his unique physiology as well as just being completely unpredictable.
Don't they all? I think it's just his don't give af mindset. Like Super Buu wanted to crush opponents, but Kid Buu was challenged and just destroyed the planet. But the other Buu's used the physiology. Super Buu could be goofy and weirdly gummy, and he regenerated from literal ash and vapor lol.
@@NeoConker626yeah but all of the others had ki control and the ability to think and talk
Kid Buu is completely unhinged and therefore completely unpredictable and savage
That's what makes him the most dangerous
Not his actual power
@@SilverSaiyanAce I know he is. OP didn't just say unpredictable but also referenced him using his physiology, and I was pointing out other Buu versions (especially base Super Buu) displayed and abused their Buu...ness. Even innocent Buu in his fight with Kid Buu was going pretty back and forth for awhile, both abusing their physiology and at first landing almost even blows. Innocent Buu just had less ki so his stamina and power started going down.
@@NeoConker626 oh
Okay now I get what you meant
Although the other didn't use there physiology quite as much as kid Buu if I remember correctly
Didn't kid Buu literally stretch and contort his body just to do a mocking dance on top of all the other things he did
I only remember fat Buu stretching his arms a few times and super Buu inflating a guy till they literally blew up
Other than that (and absorption Wich is less physiology and more gimmick ability) the other Buus didn't use there anatomy/physiology to their fullest
@@SilverSaiyanAceFat Buu had the belly trap, which as Good Buu was the only thing which slowed down Evil Buu at all. He also tried to smother Goku in his guts which led to him being flattened momentarily (and another instance there with inhaling air to return him to normal).
Super Buu then had that moment he wrapped himself around Gohan then threw him.
When I watched this as a kid, i could never have imagined that someone was thinking that kid buu was the strongest.
BuHan is the strongest, kid bu is the most dangerous
Good. Now say it louder
BRAVO!!! FINALLY in all these years!!! So on point!
I feel like the Majin species is something I would like to see more of
Like are there other Majins?
Is a Kirby a Majin lol?
It would explain why he is so absolutely busted lmao
The writers say Kid Buu is the strongest. The conversation ends there.
Dude, no disrespect....but akira forget about a lot of things in DB...
I also want to point out a detail that I always found interesting about when Super Buu ripped a hole to exit the hyperbolic time chamber...He seemed genuinely surprised and confused. He, like the z-fighters, takes a moment to understand that his screams alone ripped a transdimensional hole. The point I'm trying to make is that, even in the supposed most powerful state, I don't think he comprehends his own strength.
Kid Buu, on the otherhand, seems to operate entirely on his vicious instincts; this is purely speculation but, even if he didn't know the extent of his power, I doubt he would be surprised to when surpassing his own limits. Rather, I think he would chaotically experiment with his destructive potential, discovering and utilizing his abilities on the fly (much like a growing child). This might be another reason why he is considered the most dangerous form as opposed to the one with the most innate power. Moreover, he seems to regress in terms of what he is aware he is capable of; his speech, transdimensional travel, and even absorption techniques are all tossed to the wayside and he reverts to using overwhelming blasts, physical form manipulation, and regeneration. It is as if he simply forgot how to perform these feats entirely and needed to relearn them.
In short, Kid Buu has the exponential aptitude of a child in the critical learning period...If the z-fighters let him exist for long enough in the Kid Buu state, I have no doubts he could easily become a form of majin that dwarfs all of the other forms we'd seen up to that point.
On a personal note: Can't wait to see Uub and 21 hit Dragon Ball Super when it finally returns.
Kid Buu, at the time of his creation in the DBZ universe, was the strongest character. In my opinion, GT is not canon, and let's be honest, GT essentially replicates the formula of Z. The final fight and the strongest character in GT is the Dragon, which is not significantly different from Buu. The Dragon has similar powers, and the fight takes place on Earth, not across the universe. They defeat the Dragon in the same manner as Buu. GT is essentially Z with different characters, offering nothing new except for the introduction of Super Saiyan 4. That being said, the strongest version of Buu is his original form. If characters like 17 can scale up to Super levels, Kid Buu would as well, making him insanely more powerful than anything seen so far.
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If Evil Boo is forgotten how is he the most hype character for me in Sparking Zero. It’s been so long. Also I knew Super Buu was smarter than all of his previous forms. But he was even smarter than that before absorbing Gohan sheeesh. And hearing the “He doesn’t”from Buutenks for the first time it’s so HARDCORE. Especially because I’m a younger brother.
Kid Buu is only considered the most dangerous because he's completely unhinged and cannot surpress his ki
Otherwise he's only as strong as (or more likely slightly weaker than) regular super Buu aka evil buu after reabsorbing his good half
Fat Buu (not Good Buu) was just as strong as base Super Buu, but not focused. There is no indication that there was any difference in power until Super Buu started absorbing people.
Yes, SSJ3 Goku had more difficulty fighting Kid Buu, but 1. Fat Buu wasn't really hurt, 2. Strength and difficulty to fight are different things, as Kid Buu was animalistic, while Fat Buu was like a kid with hax, 3. Goku was dead against Fat Buu, so he could draw out all of SSJ3's power. 4. Buu's personality was tamed, not his power level, by the Kaioshin
People forgot how terrifyingly powerful Fat Buu was.
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Thank you man I appreciate it!
I think it's so dumb that people still think that GT characters can't even compare to DBS characters.
I agree Majuub is the strongest Buu. Uub and Kid Buu are my favorite Buu's.
Kid buu is the strongest
Yea
17:30 Kid Buu can tear dimensional very easily! He did it during the SSJ2 Goku fight the Kaioshin planet is so big it’s considered its own dimension! And their fight was warping the planet!
I love your videos.
My favourite Dragonball villain is kid buu but Ik very well that he is weaker than super buu. The only reason he was harder to defeat is because he was more dangerous and reckless with more destructive capabilities
You sir not only inhale air, but exhale logic as well.
Buuhan fought against Super Vegito and put up a great fight
yet Ssj3 Goku was able to handle Kid buu by himself for the most part,except for when his power started to drain rapidly
Buuhan is by far the strongest,and smartest(he had piccolo in him during that time)
Kid buu is just more dangerous cause he cannot be reasoned with at all(like most kids ironically lol)
*Edit* i wanted to add that South supreme kai beat the hell out of Kid buu before kid buu absorbed him.South supreme kai would have gotten evaporated by Buuhan rather fast lol
Buu was dominated in every way by Vegito. What are you smoking? I want some.
Super Vegito restrained himself to make Buuhan absorb him to free all the z fighters that were trapped inside him, he could have very damn easily killed him without any struggle at all, where did you see the good fight lol?
I think kid buu learning Instant transmission was out of neccessity. Super Buu wasnt really wanting to destroy everything, Kid buu wanted to kill EVERYTHING. Super Buu might have could do IT but 1 never saw it performed, and 2 never needed to quickly destroy planets quickly
Moodzi cap with that kid buu placement
Results are more important than theoretical. Kid Buu is stronger because he wrecked everything. An MMA fighter might be physically stronger than another but if they lose it doesn't really matter.
Sp if i beat up a child and a pro fighter looses against mike tyson that makes me the strongest ? Alright
i too agree that kid buu isnt stronger than super buu however kid buu had grand kaioshin"s god powers which helped goku beat moro
He's stronger than base Super Buu but not Buutenks or Buuhan.
@@KixVux exactly but in this video he downplays him so much stating that he is weaker than base super buu and buff super buu, which i would say is ridiculous. If buff super buu had his power lvl increasing and transformed to kid buu wouldnt his powers technically be stronger in every sense since he stemed from the buff buu?
Yeah i agree, that kid buu may not be stronger than buuhan. Buuccolo or buutenks.
Kid Buu didn’t have access to the god ki so that’s irrelevant and Super Buu should have the hidden god ki as well since both Buus were connected at that time.
@@harikiranv8580 No. That’s like asking why doesn’t Goku keep his SS1 power when he reverts to base form. Buu lost Buff Buu’s power when he turned into Kid Buu.
I like that you listed Majuub as the strongest form of Buu. GT power scaling appears more logical to me than Super’s does. Beyond their power levels, Fat Buu fusing with Uub is a terrific resolution to Buu’s redemption arc. Majuub is a fully realized, independent, whole, and benevolent character divorced from his bad past and the evil he was born with so as to have a better present and future. I find that special. Symbolically, I love the selflessness of Majin Buu fusing with Uub (sacrificing his independence) versus the egocentric and amoral Baby. That to me is powerful storytelling. I don’t think Super comes close to that.
Why Kid Buu is strongest:
1. Gohan, Piccolo, Goten, Trunks, the characters in the lookout, Kibito Kai and dozens others gave their energy but Goku explained it still wasn't enough to beat Kid Buu. Considering this is Genki energy and how insanely strong it is, Gohans group alone would have been enough if Super Buu was actually weaker.
2. When Goku says he couldn't beat Super Buu if he and Vegeta didn't fuse, he was also the size of a pea, he had no idea if he would expand once he got out, so that statement is a poor example to use.
3. Elder Kai said that absorbing the Kai's brought his power down, and that "nerf" was part of Super Buu, so why would a Nerfed version of Buu be stronger than a Pure Kid Buu with no nerf?
4. Kid Buu constantly showed instant regeneration with no signs of slowing down even though he was blown to bits likely thousands of times before he appeared on the Kai's planet. Super Buu, and Buuhan we're both getting weaker and slowing down their regen from far less damage.
5. The vast majority of video games and card games have Kid Buus power (attacks and health) being the highest of all Buus. Inferring Kid Buu is strongest.
Bonus Point: Powerlevels doesn't actually tell you who is strongest. Dabura and Majin Vegeta both would have killed Fat Buu if not for his regeneration ability. While Super Buu/Buu absorptions could in theory be stronger depending on certain statements, they are not pure Buu, their regen ability is diluted. Kid Buu would outlast any of them and eventually win much like how Android 17 would likely have eventually beaten Piccolo by outlasting him.
Super Buu could blast Kid Buu over and over and he'll just keep popping back, while Super Buu, who is a nerfed Buu due to the Kai's, would not
Exactly plus Vegeta tells us twice SSJ 3 Goku is the strongest Z fighter. Once against kid Buu and again in super saying he was the strongest after defeating Majin buu
@@diamantemrobinson Vegeta never said that, I read the manga recently. Unless you count Vegeta's you're number one speech, but that was more about how Goku's philosophy and attitude allowing him to achieve his potential in ways Vegeta never could.
*FINALLY SOMEONE GETS IT* !!! 🙏🏾😭🙏🏾
PLUS THEY ALWAYS FIGHT THE MAIN VILLAIN IN THEIR STRONGEST FORM!!!
I kept telling these dopes that him absorbing the Saiyan's gave him a little bit of his power back but not all of it cause Saiyan's & namekians have barriers.
Kidd Buu has ALWAYS been the strongest these fools just created a head cannon that they tried to push as a facts that " *SUPER BUU WAS STRINGER KIDD BUU IS WEAKER HES JUST MORE DANGEROUS* "
@@austin31697 Goku fought Kid Buu on even footing and only started to have trouble when he began running out of energy. Super Buu was a threat to people much stronger than SSJ3 Goku.
100% agree. Kid Buu wasn’t the strongest and they even said it. But he’s the most dangerous and evil. That’s what made him the scariest version.
Wait so if MB and base super buu have the same power just with a better fighting body, if goku was stronger than MB in ss3, doesn't that make base S Buu just as weak or equal to kid buu?
Ya I dont agree with what he said on how Majin buu has the same power level across all forms.
In the games KID BUU is always the strongest, you can't argue against that
I know Vegeto is canon but I would've loved to see the father son duo of Goku and Gohan use potara Gogeta would've been decent too
Your theory sounds solid to me given what I personally know to be true about power levels and scaling. Age and the conditioning of the mind and body do play a factor in power level and when Buu absorbs others, he gains all their capabilities, which includes additional age and conditioning. The identity stayed the same purely due to Buu having free will. Plus being a magical being does grant some illogical perks due to magic never being fully explored in any Dragon Ball lore to get a full understanding of how it works.
Kid buu is definitely weaker than fat buu (before separated from evil buu). He is simply the most unhinged and destructive so he is more of a threat.
1 thing about kid buu in the manga is this,
even in the panel that you showed where it said kid buu is the most dangerous, the next panel with kibito kai said, "He lost power" when he absorbed the kais
This could be a translation issue, in the french translation the old Kaioshin said that Kid Buu is weaker but way more dangerous then any other iteration of Buu, Kid is the original pure form of Evil
Manga wise weakest to strongest: Innocent Buu, Wrath Buu, Fat Buu, Super Buu, Buuculo, Buff Buu, Kid Buu, Buutenks, Buuhan, Uub, Majuub.
So kaioshin energy is negative for Buu as it is opposite his nature which is why the energy can't be used to revive Buu. So Kid Buu absorbing any Kai weakens him. In your video you left out Vegeta referring to SSJ 3 Goku as the strongest Z fighter twice. Once when Goku is fighting Kid Buu and secondly in episode 1 or 2 of DBS. Goku and Vegeta also in dbs manga refer to Kid Buu as their most difficult opponent even after Zamastu. Goku said against Buuculo he was disappointed meaning he lost interest in fighting him because of his low power level. He further states even Gohan can beat you now meaning Goku himself could but he lost interest. Later on though he was reluctant to use SSJ 3 in front of Vegeta. Also the fact Goku believed it would take the combined efforts of him, Vegeta, Gohan, and Gotenks to defeat Kid Buu proves he's much stronger than Super Buu.
This is so funny bc I was at a convention a long time ago and ask the same question to a DBZ Writer and he said it’s let up to interpretation, but that being said he did say if he had to choose buuhan was supposed to be his peak
The actual counter for goku not willing to fight super buu is the one thing people keep forgetting. Goku was still on borrowed time while super buu was around. He was already in the after life when it came to fighting kid buu. All he had left was time at that point. It was never about who was the bigger threat. It was about rather or not he would run out of time before he handled buu.
DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark
Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is."
Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself?
DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark
Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong."
Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form."
Yeah you are right, Kid Buu is actually one of the weakest Buus, how can someone think otherwise?
I honestly do not blame them that much, because there are misleading quotes and inconsistencies. Basically saying kid buu is stronger is relying on plot holes that goes against the logic of the narrative.
@@moodzi1322 it’s basic common sense that the Buu that has no one absorbed, contrary to Super Buu, Buutenks or Buuhan, is one the weakest. Anyway great channel and great Dragonball content, Moodzi!
@@kirollostadross1233not really as you can find evidence of kid Buu being the strongest form of base Buu
Kid buu weak
@MoansAboutRNG the guidebooks for the manga chapters and episodes refer to Goku and Kid Buu as the strongest post Gohan revival. Vegeta says Goku is the only person in the universe capable of defeating Kid Buu. In DBS episode 1 or 2 Vegeta states that Goku that became the strongest in the universe. In chapter 31 I think of dbs manga which is post Zamastu and before the tournament of power Goku considers getting Uub to join because Kid Buu was their most formidable foe they ever faced even after Zamastu. So some of these things scale them above Gohan and thus Super Buu and the last one can be used to scale Kid Buu above Buuhan although I believe Buutenks and Buuhan to be stronger. Oh yeah Goku also believed that it would take him, Vegeta, Gohan, and Gotenks to defeat Kid Buu so definitely above Super Buu.
I play a lot of DBZ games on mobile, and every time, android 21 is shown. She is the strongest. I mean way stronger in every way. She also makes an appearance in kakarot in bulmas lab. But good video brother. You do good work. 😊
I believe that Kid Buu’s power level is in between base Super Buu and Buutenks.
Same
Kid Buu is the strongest because the Manga/Anime/Toriyama says so.
Anything otherwise is head cannon.
@massdagod he never said that, the manga and the anime were not in his control half the time. He complained about is inaccuracies constantly......people are starting to notice them too. The dbz anime isn't even cannon now because of that. Buuhan is undefeated, kid buu has been defeated
While not being cannon 21 is stronger then Majuub so I'm glad you mentioned it near the end, because of the specifics mentioned for her creation she has full reign over the majin powers with the benefits of being an android WITH zenkai boosts is just disgusting. If majuub was even hypothetically 10x-1000x her strength it wouldnt take next to any time for her to pass the entire cast with training. I actually think that with training she is the character with the most potential in the entire series INCLUDING Bruly ssgss S cells gohan goten and any Prodigy character
She’s canon in dragon ball super heroes but it’s Not in majin version but in human version her name is vomi
As a kid myself at the time, when watching dbz I always felt kid buu was weaker. I don't recall him ever doing anything buuhan wasn't capable of (other than instant transmission) Also him being pretty unhinged was a double-edged sword. For example I cant picture buuhan falling for the spirit bomb, or at least not as easily.
Being “weaker” doesn’t mean a lot in an anime fight. The ruthlessness of kid buu puts him no1 easily. If kid buu and super buu fought, while super buu was gloating and giving monologues kid buu would just be killing.
There is no difference between Kid buu and Super Buu. During the Buu saga the only way a Buu can get stronger is to absorb someone. Both Kid BUu, Super Buu, and the original Fat buu Had no additional source of power inside of them. They all had equal power
Their smarts is the diffrence since kid buu has nothing in his head
@@Mojavekight17expect emotes lol
Super Buu did still have an absorption though, the purified fat Buu (the manifestation of the form Buu assumed after absorbing the Grand Supreme Kai). It was Vegeta ripping out fat Buu's pod that caused Super Buu to revert into Kid Buu.
Super buu isn’t the original buu nor is he kid buu
I am pretty sure that you can be both, an Android and a Majin. My understanding is, she was created as an android and after some time she took some sort of magical science pill that turned her into a Majin. In reality you can have two parents of differing "race" making you basically mixed, so Android 21 might be just that, a mixed character.
Kidd buu would of beat goku if they didn’t wish his powers back to normal so i still think kidd buu stronger 😭 that’s just me
Your are mistaken. Goku could have killed Kid Buu any time as he explicitly stated SSJ3 was stronger than kid buu. What happened is that KID buu with his unpredictablity just outlasted SSJ3 goku and he could no longer maintain the form which led to the spirit bomb and restore his energy. It was kind of a plot to make kid buu last longer and cause a better impresion.
@@Yokai_Yuri still but he didn’t when he was in ssj3 and which means kidd buu was stronger cause goku couldn’t out last him😭
Both Goku and kid Buu are overrated Buu series fodder
I thought it was pretty obvious than Kid Buu was weaker than Super Buu.
Gohan not stronger than goku. Having gohan power does not make hom stronger than kid buu. Plus it dont make sense for the final villian to be weaker than villians before. Unless its just bad writing
Then he should have just regressed back to kid Buu earlier
Wow, everything that you said was factuality wrong, congrats!
1) Gohan beat up Super Buu, someone who Goku said was stronger than him.
2) It does make sense for the final villian to be weaker than his previous forms because Toriyama wanted Goku to be the hero so Buu’s power needed to be reduced. You just don’t like that it follows the pattern of previous villains. That’s not bad writing.
I'v always thought that Kid Buu wasn't the strongest but, he has a lot of differences compared to Super Buu that make him much more dangerous.
Personality Wise, Kid Buu was a Primal almost Animalistic embodiment of Destruction. While Super Buu was much more trained in combat(Especially after absorbing both Gotenks and Gohan.), Kid Buu used his body instinctively to an almost unfair advantage against SSJ3 Goku. Dodging by putting holes in his own body, never being afraid to take hits that wouldn't outright obliterate him, stretching his limbs to get the jump on people. The way he moved and fought was seemingly on Instinct and his complete lack of fear was really notable, as it made Kid Buu make use of his body in ways the other Buu's COULD have but simply didn't nearly as often.
Super Buu might have been intelligent, stronger and had more experience but Kid Buu was far more dangerous because of his lack of fear, mastery over his body and ability to adapt/learn very quickly. Kid Buu felt more like a Force of Nature rather than a villain.
Hell I'd argue that despite Kid Buu being weaker, he still fended off Good Buu, SSJ3 Goku and Vegeta without really taking much damage and really enjoyed toying with them too.
Goku straight up said he couldn't beat *BASE* Super Buu and Super Buu (who has the memories of his past incarnations) said he was the strongest he's ever been after absorbing Gotenks yet he's fine with fighting Kid Buu and was confident he could kill him if he had time to gather his ki.
The only thing Kid Buu has over the other Buus is he's the most dangerous and he's most dangerous because he's unpredictable and acts on emotion and just blew up the earth without second thought opposed to the others who were willing to give a sporting chance for amusement.
Goku could solo anyone below buuhan and literally took the universe to kill kid buu oh wait he ate that spirt bomb it had to be goku+ super saiyan fully recovered plus universal spirt bomb to help fished off kid buu. Saying kid buu below anyone beside buuhann is ridiculous. Vegito was just toying with buuhan because he wanted to get his family and friends out. Plus spirit bomb probably wouldn’t work on Buuhan he had multiple people who pure heart.
@@vando6679 ok thanks so you saying gohan at that time couldn’t wipe a universe out?
@@therealomega2467 no there's no evidence indicating that gohan was. But what does gohan being universal have to do with your incorrect statement of goku using the universal spirit bomb on Buu? He never used the universal spirit bomb on buu. That move was used on omega shenron in GT.
@@vando6679 bruh you know for a fact if a power level 1000 can blow up planets. To answer your question yes gohan most definitely could.
@@therealomega2467 it depends on the move used my guy. Not just any regular ki blast is gonna blow up a planet. Spirit bombs arent meant to cause mass destruction. Kamehameha waves dont explode and cause mass destruction. Friesa's super nova is a move purely used to blow up planets.
Better do more research my guy. Nice head canon though.
You gotta love how Gohan vs Super Buu [Gotenks adsorbed] fight start up. It's the throwback to Goku vs Vegeta fight back during the Saiyan saga
god I'm glad my German version of the Manga just outright states that Kid Buu is weaker than Super Buu. This makes being a virgin far easier. Goku's like "great, he got weaker" and Vegeta is like ironically "great that should make it easier"
I completely agree with your list. Especially Majoob at the top!
People arguing that Kid Buu is the strongest because "Toriyama said so" are ignoring the fact that storytelling has never been the dude's strong point. He literally forgot that saiyans have tails at one point, has completely forgotten the existence of prominent earlier characters and it's plain to see for anyone with eyes that these stories are changed on the fly as he wrote them. What may have been his original intent isn't necessarily what made it into the story, and I don't trust him for a second to be the right guy to keep track of that. That plus the points covered in this video make it apparent. Kid Buu is the most dangerous because he was unrestrained and cared only about destruction. Super Buu was stronger, but due to the absorbed saiyans also had a chip on his shoulder and the need to prove himself that made him more restrained.
Fat Buu represents the innocence of a child
Super Buu represents the intellectual characteristics of a child.
Kid Buu represents the untamed temperament of a child (spoiled brat).
Its not body shaming to call someone fat
Its bodyshaming when you "shame" someone for BEING fat
I agree but please don’t take what I said seriously. It was just a joke for the video, I wanted to include the “he fat” clip as it’s hilarious to me.
I mean Toriyama did outright say kid buu was the strongest in a interview. And we can argue all we want on what we think, but the fact is Toriyama did this on purpose because he enjoy the contradiction of a stronger form being smaller and less assuming. Which is also why freezes stronger forms are smaller then his others.
I've read something on the recent chapter of the manga in super, I think in the moro arc, that, when the north kai was absorbed, the kid buu was supressed by creating the majin buu. Then when kid buu appeared again and separated itself from majin buu, he kept the god energy of the north kai, making him similar to a god of destruction. It maybe explains the greater resistance from kid buu in the battle against the trio (goku, vegeta, majin buu) even though he didn't activate the god part.
How can goku get zenkai if hes dead? I dont think he got any stronger i think him and vegeta were bout tapped on zenkais as well at least from what i understood
A21 actually makes no sense to add because even Yamcha mentions that he was useful in that game when he shouldn't have been. Aside from that I agree with everything else.
No mention of Kid Buu getting majority of God Ki. Thus, this is a bias theory by a Gohan fanboy.
When Buu finally merges with Uub , it would have been nice if Buu gave Mr. Satan 1% of his power. Mr Satan could then fly and help with rescue. Also he could be used as a training punching bag for Vegeta and Gohan
Me just returning to the franchises. “What is who divided by how much?
Kid Buu is the natural state of Evil Buu. The evil makes him that much more intense just like the margin did for Vegeta. He reached his super Saiyan 2 level due to Babadi's magic & was able to overcome it & maintain it.
I also figured Kid Buu only seemed so strong because at the time of that fight Goku and Vegata where pretty gassed out.
Each buu represents a flaw of humanity
Majinn/fat buu is greed and gluttony
Kid buu is wrath
Evil buu is hate
Buuhan/Super buu is ego
Once buu absorbs gogeta he becomes arrogance and pride as well as stupidity
Akira said multiple times that Kid Buu is the strongest. Stop this already, americans. Serously, you guys always with your theories and stubbornness.
Bit of a tangent, but man...listening to the section on Uub and becoming reacquainted with the nutso scaling of a base Kid Goku reminded me of just how ridiculous, borderline asspull-level the power scaling in GT was.
It's hilarious that GT fans who call out detractors of GT's scaling as "coping" or "Super stans" and pointing out the dumb power scaling in DBS and calling it bad writing, when GT was pulling the same stuff years before. DBS has characters scaling up and displaying feats/matching characters to display a power scale up that comes out of nowhere, whereas so much of GT is off the back of spoken dialogue "tell, don't show" scaling and a Kid Goku becoming so absurdly strong that he no-diffs the rest of the cast *in base.*
As others have stated, I always figured that kid buu was the most dangerous due to lack of remorse and joy for destruction, also lack of ability to be communicated/reasoned with. It didn't imply a higher power level, he just wanted to destroy.
I'm only going to talk about the manga forms. Your chain is mostly correct, except I'd put Buff Buu higher than Piccolo Buu. Piccolo's power was at that point inconsequential to Buu's own, so having Piccolo, Goten and Trunks absorbed gave Super Buu maybe 1-2% more. Buff Buu on the other hand, was said to have a noticeable ki increase, which your lowball wouldn't account for, but likely not quite as high as Gotenks Buu, which effectively doubled Super Buu's power.
I used to think Super Buu was as powerful as he was for only one reason - he's a fusion. A very similar one in fact to Piccolo and Kami's. Fusions yield big multipliers. But then we know that Buff Buu was even stronger, and it was only the result of Kid Buu absorbing South Kai. Which can mean a few possible things:
- Super Buu didn't work like a fusion and instead just unlocked more of the South Kai power, offset perhaps by the fact that Good Buu was still pure good
- one of the three: Kid Buu's absorptions are not additive in terms of power like Super Buu's are, absorbing Kaioshins is not additive like with other beings, or South Kai was just this damn strong
So yeah, it's a bit messy.
But to people who think Kid Buu is the strongest form while Fat Buu is the weakest, there are a few "common sense" arguments that throw a wrench in that thinking:
- Mr. Buu (pure good, weakest form) was able to stand up to Kid Buu for better and longer than even SSj2 Vegeta did, meaning he's considerably less than 4x weaker than Kid Buu. Pretty narrow spread to justify having more forms than any previous villain, don't you think?
- Both Fat Buu and Kid Buu were fought by SSj3 Goku and the difference between their performances was considerable at most, but not at all drastic. Goku had the same powerlevel during these two fights, in fact he had better SSj3 in the first one because he was dead at the time. That makes for an even narrower spread to justify having so many forms of Buu. If Kid Buu and Fat Buu are around the same level, how do you cram in the remaining 4 forms in between that with it making any seblance of sense?
Kid buu is not the strongest but he is the most terrifying
There are basically three buus:
1)Fat buu which has one form,the one e know and love.
2)Evil buu which has five forms;its skinny form,suber buu thst we know and love to hate,buutenks,buukulo and buuhaan.
3)Pure evil buu which has two forms;buff buu andkid buu.