I have a 07 427 edition convertable supersnake with roughly 650hp and I haven't had any issues and as for my 10 supersnake has 900hp and no issues. Then I have a 08 GT500 making 850hp no issues. So I am happy with what I have.
Another tidbit a lot of folks gloss over, the 11-12 GT500 also used the same PWTA cylinder liners as the 13/14. The 13/14 also gets the 05/06 GT cams which is pretty snazzy.
From everything I have read and got directly from shelby American that the 5.4 is good up to 850hp too the tire with the proper tune.My 10 supersnake just has a aggressive tune and it dynoed 840hp too the tire and honestly its enough for me.
Facts…I have a 2013 with a VMP Gen 3 2650 blower on E85 and putting out around 820rwhp and I drag race it frequently and I live around 6500 on the shifts and haven’t had any issues. Best time is a 10.1 @ 145mph with a low 1.5 60ft. Just added some Viking double adjustable drag Shocks and I’m pretty sure I’ll see 9s at the next track outing. You are spot on with your info sir 👍🏾
@@GT500guy believe me I’d love to add more HP and I could def afford to replace the engine if I were to blow it up but honestly 820rwhp with 14k miles on the ticker & pretty much a low 10 sec 1/4 mile car is pretty impressive in my book and to still have all the creature comforts like AC…Power Steering…Cruise Control Etc..,and to be able to drive it to and from the track. I’ll leave it well enough alone right as it sits!! I don’t have to be the fastest on the block.,.just one of the fastest is good enough for me lol
@@larrydavis9582 I'm with you on that. I had my engine built at 12k miles. Mostly because I wanted to hit 1000whp. But the stock engine was doing good.
@@GT500guy that’s what’s up my man. Who did you have build your engine and how much did it run you??Did you 1/4 mile it after it was built? If so what did it run??
@@larrydavis9582 JDM engineering out in Freehold NJ built it, they build a lot of mod motors and are big with cobra jets. My car is more setup for 1/2 mile events. I don't know if I'll ever take it down the 1/4 mile.
Appreciate the information , very well expand I hav a 2013 with 44 k miles on it no mods. It sounds like timing chains are starting to make noise when it gets heat soaked. Could be something else. Idk about to look into it doing some homework
please help im looking to buy a shelby gt500 mustang 1 is a white 2013 gt500 7k miles shaker audio... performance package..and track pack... other 1 is 2014 11k miles but my fav color red... no track pack no performance pack... my question is that are the track pack and performance pack needed if im not tracking and does the options help hold the value? from what i figure all the add ons from track pack like dif and oil cooler is just more crap to break down the road. can i get some opinions... do i go for looks or the track options... i realllllly like the race red! both gt500 im looking at have the same asking price
The 5.4 imo is the better one for the money. They've proven plenty stout and make comparable power with same blower and pulley setup albeit at about 2 psi higher boost level if everything else is equal. I like them all but imo the 5.8 cars aren't worth the extra money vs a 5.4 car. The 5.8 cars were better stock but if you're modding it and swapping to a 2650 tvs anyways like many do might as well go with a 5.4 car and save significant money without sacrificing significant performance. The 07-09 are stout and you can find good deals on those. Don't worry about a few miles of its been taken care of. I picked up an 07 with just over 100k clean title tasteful mods for 16500 may of 2020. It now has 125k and going strong. It had bolt ons 550 rwhp when I bought it but the last year it's had a gen3r in it doing about 750 rwhp on 93/boostane. Bang for the buck is off the charts.
@@GT500guy I take tuners words for it. I have never bent a rod in either motor tho. If you want to get technical it’s a higher compression motor with slightly heavier piston and similar strength rod. Limits tuning window a bit The transmission gearing keeps higher torque loads for longer.
@@biffclaven3798 The increased compression plays a bigger role than the weight of the piston, also SVT modified the stock 5.8 rod to keep the strength the same as the 5.4 rod, The 5.8 having 9.0:1 VS the 5.4 having 8.4:1 plays a big role in how the engine will respond to boost and knock, also keep in mind the 5.8 has the FGT cams vs the much smaller 5.4 cams, that alone helps the engine be more volumetric efficient without the need for extra boost and mods that the 5.4 will need to make the same power as the 5.8. Both the 5.8 and the 5.4 will be happy at 700whp on 93 pump gas. But both engines will need either E85 or race gas if you're pushing them over 750+whp, and the 13/14 GT500 can easily support E85 with ID1300s and a BAP, the 07 to 12 you'll need a return style fuel system to run E85. At the end of the day. All 07 to 14 GT500s can make 800whp on good fuel with the correct supporting mods, and one is not necessary better than the other, but the 13/14s come with a lot of extra goodies the 07 go 12s don't have, but that doesn't mean they're not all great cars.
Im looking at one that was fully done by JDM Engineering in NJ and is 767whp on 93 pump gas. Would you say that engine is safe? The listing states; 2014 Shelby GT500 - freshly ceramic coated - 2.9L Whipple supercharger-Gen 3 pully upgrade- JLT cold air intake/Cobra jet 65mm throttle body Kooks headers/Kooks OR H pipe magnaflow mufflers - Injector Dynamics ID 1000 fuel injectors JDM super stock cam shaft package - ARP competition package - TR6 NGK spark plugs . dyno/tuned by JDM engineering Ford specialist 800RWHP on pump gas this car is a beast in show room condition and everything works perfectly I also have the OEM hood as well. there's 30k into this machine and done right no short cuts there's more that I'm forgetting I have videos I'll send if your interested thank you have a great dav all the work done to this car was done by "JDM ENGINEERING INC IN NEW JERSEY " by a " Ford shelby specialist
I HAVE HEARD A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT THINGS ABOUT THE 5/8 AND THE 5/4.I HONESTLY DON'T PUSH MY SUPERSNAKES OR MY GT500 REALLY HARD. BELIEVE ME I ENJOY THEM BUT I DON'T HAMMER ON THEM.
That's the best way to go about it. Enjoy the car and have fun with it and always run good fuel. But the stock 5.4/5.8s are still strong from the factory, I have seen a lot of Holeshot package super snakes that hold up and don't break making 850+whp
@@GT500guy SOMETHING ALSO IS THE WHOLE SHOT PACKAGE CAR'S JUST HAVE THE CAMS UPGRADED WITH THE STOCK RODS I BELIEVE AND THERE MAKING OVER 900WHEEL SO FROM WHAT I HAVE SCENE THE 5/8 CAN TAKE IT.BUT YOU YOU KNOW PROBABLY AA MUCH AS I DO MOST SUPER SNAKES ARE IN PRIVATE COLLECTIONS WITH REALLY LOW MILES ON THEM.MY 07 427 EDITION CONVERTIBLE SUPER SNAKE HAS ONLY A 1000 ORIGINAL MILES AND MY 10 SUPER SNAKE HAS 3 THOUSAND ORIGINAL MILES SO MY POINT IS MOST SUPER SNAKES MAKING THE POWER SIMILAR TO MINE DON'T GET PUSHED HARD AND BEAT ON.
@@GT500guy Thanks Steve. I should have clarified I was asking for the engine's dimension to see if it would fit between the rails on my 69 Mustang. I'm already shaving the shock towers.
@@GT500guy I have talked to some people with that set up,and seen some videos that has the same set up with different cams and if you want to shift at 7500 RPM,thats the way to go.I have a 14 GT500,and im going with Molnar rods.
Beautiful car man.I have 4 shelbys in my collection. I have a 07 shelby gt and a 08 gt500 and my 10 900hp grabber bluegt500supersnake and lastly my rare 07 427 edition convertable supersnake. Yah I have heard a lot of hate with the 5.8 and I don't agree with the haters
This motor would've been bulletproof with true forged h-beam or I-beam rods. Why they went with that sinter-forged trash for a motor with 600 wheel horsepower, that can be pushed to 7k while making power, is beyond me, especially when they seemed to go the extra mile everywhere else.
The new coyotes also have powdered forged rods as well as the new gt500. Boss 302 also had them they're known for handling big power so the powdered forged isn't as shit as people make it out but no it isn't as good as a forged rod. With that it could have had 1000+ whp capabilities all day long but instead that number is 800ish.
I'll chime in on the 5.4 vs 5.8. I wouldn't say the 5.8 is weaker but it certainly isn't stronger imo they have basically the same ceiling. The issue comes from 13-14 fanboys who act like anything prior to 2013 is basically a waste of time and the 5.4 isn't nearly as good as the 5.8 etc etc. It's a major misconception that the 5.8 is way better because it really isn't. For the money the 5.4 is much better value imo. The 5.8 is set up better factory and most of the power difference comes from the better blower. I would say their hp ceiling is pretty much the same but from what I've seen it seems the 5.4 cars hold up better at elevated power levels vs the 5.8 but honestly I think most of that is guys revving the 5.8 to 7k because ford's dumbasses told them they could. These engines have never liked rpm 5.4 or 5.8 which is a bored out 5.4. They have the same long stroke and same rods minus the slight difference you stated. I think the reason more 5.8 cars seem to have issue is from over revving. People think because redline is 7k stock you can Rev it that high making 700-800 and you can't. Rpm limits are pretty much the same on the two engines. With the 5.4 I'd say the same 6-6500 max if you're over 700 especially. When I'm going all out I shift my 07 at 6500 it's got a gen3r. I am on 93 and boostane I wound like to switch to e85 in the future but for now I'm staying on boostane. Imo if you're pushing it you need to be on boostane bare minimum. Octane and limiting rpm is the best way to keep these engines going. Alot of good info 👌
The 13/14 GT500 has a lot of great improvements over the 07 to 12 GT500s, its more the just the 5.8, which I do agree with you, other than the 5.8 having the FGT cams and more compression, I wouldn't say the engine is any stronger or necessarily better than the 07 to 10 iron 5.4 or the 11/12 Aluminum 5.4. I think all the 07 to 14 GT500s are great, and I've owned 4 of them. In the end all the 5.4s and 5.8s won't live long over 850whp. The rods will break on all of them. I'm happy I built my 5.8 so I don't have to worry about it anymore.
@GT500guy this is true they are absolutely better equipped stock vs stock but you pay dearly for it. You are looking at sometimes as much as 15k dollar difference between comparable 11-12 and even more different vs earlier cars. If you plan to mod it anyways the 5.4 makes alot of sense for the money. If you want something that is better equipped stock and needs less upgrades overall to hit 700 these are great at that. A 5.4 is a blower swap away from good power. They're real good value imo and both have the same amazing sound.
"But first let's do a coldstart in the Shelby." That's how you open son!! Nice
My engine is off getting built by jdm engineering, can't wait for cold starts with the new cams.
Honestly I own 4 shelbys and I have heard good and some bad about the 5/8.I heard they were run out lol I don't know so I don't comment and talk shit
I have a 07 427 edition convertable supersnake with roughly 650hp and I haven't had any issues and as for my 10 supersnake has 900hp and no issues. Then I have a 08 GT500 making 850hp no issues. So I am happy with what I have.
Such a great in-depth video very informative!
perfect, explains a lot of questions I have been having. Thanks for this!
Beautiful 😍
Another tidbit a lot of folks gloss over, the 11-12 GT500 also used the same PWTA cylinder liners as the 13/14. The 13/14 also gets the 05/06 GT cams which is pretty snazzy.
Correct, I should have added some information about the GT cams. Oh well, info for another video.
I have a 04 Terminator completely stock except for exhaust and I agree it wish my shelbys had the same internals that my cobra has.
From everything I have read and got directly from shelby American that the 5.4 is good up to 850hp too the tire with the proper tune.My 10 supersnake just has a aggressive tune and it dynoed 840hp too the tire and honestly its enough for me.
Facts…I have a 2013 with a VMP Gen 3 2650 blower on E85 and putting out around 820rwhp and I drag race it frequently and I live around 6500 on the shifts and haven’t had any issues. Best time is a 10.1 @ 145mph with a low 1.5 60ft. Just added some Viking double adjustable drag Shocks and I’m pretty sure I’ll see 9s at the next track outing. You are spot on with your info sir 👍🏾
That's awesome man and 145 trap speed is impressive. The 13/14s are monsters when built correctly.
@@GT500guy believe me I’d love to add more HP and I could def afford to replace the engine if I were to blow it up but honestly 820rwhp with 14k miles on the ticker & pretty much a low 10 sec 1/4 mile car is pretty impressive in my book and to still have all the creature comforts like AC…Power Steering…Cruise Control Etc..,and to be able to drive it to and from the track. I’ll leave it well enough alone right as it sits!! I don’t have to be the fastest on the block.,.just one of the fastest is good enough for me lol
@@larrydavis9582 I'm with you on that. I had my engine built at 12k miles. Mostly because I wanted to hit 1000whp. But the stock engine was doing good.
@@GT500guy that’s what’s up my man. Who did you have build your engine and how much did it run you??Did you 1/4 mile it after it was built? If so what did it run??
@@larrydavis9582 JDM engineering out in Freehold NJ built it, they build a lot of mod motors and are big with cobra jets. My car is more setup for 1/2 mile events. I don't know if I'll ever take it down the 1/4 mile.
Appreciate the information , very well expand I hav a 2013 with 44 k miles on it no mods. It sounds like timing chains are starting to make noise when it gets heat soaked. Could be something else. Idk about to look into it doing some homework
please help im looking to buy a shelby gt500 mustang 1 is a white 2013 gt500 7k miles shaker audio... performance package..and track pack... other 1 is 2014 11k miles but my fav color red... no track pack no performance pack... my question is that are the track pack and performance pack needed if im not tracking and does the options help hold the value? from what i figure all the add ons from track pack like dif and oil cooler is just more crap to break down the road. can i get some opinions... do i go for looks or the track options... i realllllly like the race red! both gt500 im looking at have the same asking price
Would love to own a 13/14 GT500 one of these days….problem is they cost as much as I make in a year lmao. Maybe an older 5.4 GT500.
Can't go wrong with a 11/12 GT500.
The 5.4 imo is the better one for the money. They've proven plenty stout and make comparable power with same blower and pulley setup albeit at about 2 psi higher boost level if everything else is equal. I like them all but imo the 5.8 cars aren't worth the extra money vs a 5.4 car. The 5.8 cars were better stock but if you're modding it and swapping to a 2650 tvs anyways like many do might as well go with a 5.4 car and save significant money without sacrificing significant performance.
The 07-09 are stout and you can find good deals on those. Don't worry about a few miles of its been taken care of. I picked up an 07 with just over 100k clean title tasteful mods for 16500 may of 2020. It now has 125k and going strong. It had bolt ons 550 rwhp when I bought it but the last year it's had a gen3r in it doing about 750 rwhp on 93/boostane. Bang for the buck is off the charts.
5.4 can hold more power reliably. Sorry if that hurts your feelings.
Since I'm bored, what makes you think that? And thank you for taking my feelings into consideration.
@@GT500guy I take tuners words for it. I have never bent a rod in either motor tho. If you want to get technical it’s a higher compression motor with slightly heavier piston and similar strength rod. Limits tuning window a bit The transmission gearing keeps higher torque loads for longer.
@@biffclaven3798 The increased compression plays a bigger role than the weight of the piston, also SVT modified the stock 5.8 rod to keep the strength the same as the 5.4 rod, The 5.8 having 9.0:1 VS the 5.4 having 8.4:1 plays a big role in how the engine will respond to boost and knock, also keep in mind the 5.8 has the FGT cams vs the much smaller 5.4 cams, that alone helps the engine be more volumetric efficient without the need for extra boost and mods that the 5.4 will need to make the same power as the 5.8. Both the 5.8 and the 5.4 will be happy at 700whp on 93 pump gas. But both engines will need either E85 or race gas if you're pushing them over 750+whp, and the 13/14 GT500 can easily support E85 with ID1300s and a BAP, the 07 to 12 you'll need a return style fuel system to run E85. At the end of the day. All 07 to 14 GT500s can make 800whp on good fuel with the correct supporting mods, and one is not necessary better than the other, but the 13/14s come with a lot of extra goodies the 07 go 12s don't have, but that doesn't mean they're not all great cars.
@@GT500guy agreed. They are all great cars.
Im looking at one that was fully done by JDM Engineering in NJ and is 767whp on 93 pump gas. Would you say that engine is safe? The listing states;
2014 Shelby GT500 - freshly ceramic coated - 2.9L
Whipple supercharger-Gen 3 pully upgrade- JLT
cold air intake/Cobra jet 65mm throttle body
Kooks headers/Kooks OR H pipe magnaflow
mufflers
- Injector Dynamics ID 1000 fuel injectors
JDM super stock cam shaft package - ARP
competition package - TR6 NGK spark plugs .
dyno/tuned by JDM engineering Ford specialist
800RWHP on pump gas this car is a beast in show
room condition and everything works perfectly I also
have the OEM hood as well. there's 30k into this machine and done
right no short cuts there's more that I'm forgetting I
have videos I'll send if your interested thank you
have a great dav all the work done to this car was
done by "JDM ENGINEERING INC IN NEW JERSEY "
by a
" Ford shelby specialist
If JDM engineering built it and tuned it, then I would trust them. They're honest and know mod motors better than most.
I HAVE HEARD A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT THINGS ABOUT THE 5/8 AND THE 5/4.I HONESTLY DON'T PUSH MY SUPERSNAKES OR MY GT500 REALLY HARD. BELIEVE ME I ENJOY THEM BUT I DON'T HAMMER ON THEM.
That's the best way to go about it. Enjoy the car and have fun with it and always run good fuel. But the stock 5.4/5.8s are still strong from the factory, I have seen a lot of Holeshot package super snakes that hold up and don't break making 850+whp
@@GT500guy YAH I ALMOST BOUGHT ONE BUT I HAVE MY 10 SUPER SNAKE IN THAT BODY STYLE AS A COUPE SO I WANT A 07 09 COUPE SUPER SNAKE IN GRABBER ORANGE.
@@GT500guy SOMETHING ALSO IS THE WHOLE SHOT PACKAGE CAR'S JUST HAVE THE CAMS UPGRADED WITH THE STOCK RODS I BELIEVE AND THERE MAKING OVER 900WHEEL SO FROM WHAT I HAVE SCENE THE 5/8 CAN TAKE IT.BUT YOU YOU KNOW PROBABLY AA MUCH AS I DO MOST SUPER SNAKES ARE IN PRIVATE COLLECTIONS WITH REALLY LOW MILES ON THEM.MY 07 427 EDITION CONVERTIBLE SUPER SNAKE HAS ONLY A 1000 ORIGINAL MILES AND MY 10 SUPER SNAKE HAS 3 THOUSAND ORIGINAL MILES SO MY POINT IS MOST SUPER SNAKES MAKING THE POWER SIMILAR TO MINE DON'T GET PUSHED HARD AND BEAT ON.
@@anthonylaudano9751WHY ARE YOU SCREAMING 😂😂😂💀💀💀
I want to get my Trinity engine built. Who can I find to do the work in Miami or Ft Lauderdale?
It's not cheap, but its worth it, MPR racing engines are in Florida, and they specialize in mod motors.
www.mprracingengines.com/
If I had one I think 750rwhp is a happy place all freaking day long and it’s useable…above that it’s just a true trie eating toy..
How wide is the 5.8 Trinity? Working on a special project.
All the 07 to 14 GT500 5.4 and 5.8s are the same width, 73.9 in (1877 mm), the height is 54.5 in (1384 mm) and the length is 188.2 in (4780 mm
@@GT500guy Thanks Steve. I should have clarified I was asking for the engine's dimension to see if it would fit between the rails on my 69 Mustang. I'm already shaving the shock towers.
@Mwaves gotcha. The 5.4/5.8 is about one inch higher and one inch wider than the 4.6 DOHC V8, and I've seen those in 69 mustangs.
@Steve GT500 guy well that makes me smile because there's gonna be a bunch of room for it then. Thanks again.
New pistons,rods,and JDM ENGINEERING super stock cams ,and you can shift up to 7500 RPM with no problem.
Yes sir, I'll probably dive into that on the next video.
@@GT500guy I have talked to some people with that set up,and seen some videos that has the same set up with different cams and if you want to shift at 7500 RPM,thats the way to go.I have a 14 GT500,and im going with Molnar rods.
@@drfaticus yup, upgraded rods and pistons, billet oil pump gears, cams and a few odds and ends and you're good to make 1000whp.
@@GT500guy yes sir!!!Here is my car.ua-cam.com/video/UIErH6mcuRc/v-deo.html
Beautiful car man.I have 4 shelbys in my collection. I have a 07 shelby gt and a 08 gt500 and my 10 900hp grabber bluegt500supersnake and lastly my rare 07 427 edition convertable supersnake. Yah I have heard a lot of hate with the 5.8 and I don't agree with the haters
Factory pistons are Mahle not Manley.
Correct, after having my engine built and looking at my stock pistons I realized I was wrong.
This motor would've been bulletproof with true forged h-beam or I-beam rods. Why they went with that sinter-forged trash for a motor with 600 wheel horsepower, that can be pushed to 7k while making power, is beyond me, especially when they seemed to go the extra mile everywhere else.
The new coyotes also have powdered forged rods as well as the new gt500. Boss 302 also had them they're known for handling big power so the powdered forged isn't as shit as people make it out but no it isn't as good as a forged rod. With that it could have had 1000+ whp capabilities all day long but instead that number is 800ish.
For sale now
Nope, still not for sale
I'll chime in on the 5.4 vs 5.8. I wouldn't say the 5.8 is weaker but it certainly isn't stronger imo they have basically the same ceiling. The issue comes from 13-14 fanboys who act like anything prior to 2013 is basically a waste of time and the 5.4 isn't nearly as good as the 5.8 etc etc. It's a major misconception that the 5.8 is way better because it really isn't. For the money the 5.4 is much better value imo. The 5.8 is set up better factory and most of the power difference comes from the better blower. I would say their hp ceiling is pretty much the same but from what I've seen it seems the 5.4 cars hold up better at elevated power levels vs the 5.8 but honestly I think most of that is guys revving the 5.8 to 7k because ford's dumbasses told them they could. These engines have never liked rpm 5.4 or 5.8 which is a bored out 5.4. They have the same long stroke and same rods minus the slight difference you stated. I think the reason more 5.8 cars seem to have issue is from over revving. People think because redline is 7k stock you can Rev it that high making 700-800 and you can't. Rpm limits are pretty much the same on the two engines. With the 5.4 I'd say the same 6-6500 max if you're over 700 especially. When I'm going all out I shift my 07 at 6500 it's got a gen3r. I am on 93 and boostane I wound like to switch to e85 in the future but for now I'm staying on boostane. Imo if you're pushing it you need to be on boostane bare minimum. Octane and limiting rpm is the best way to keep these engines going. Alot of good info 👌
The 13/14 GT500 has a lot of great improvements over the 07 to 12 GT500s, its more the just the 5.8, which I do agree with you, other than the 5.8 having the FGT cams and more compression, I wouldn't say the engine is any stronger or necessarily better than the 07 to 10 iron 5.4 or the 11/12 Aluminum 5.4. I think all the 07 to 14 GT500s are great, and I've owned 4 of them. In the end all the 5.4s and 5.8s won't live long over 850whp. The rods will break on all of them. I'm happy I built my 5.8 so I don't have to worry about it anymore.
@GT500guy this is true they are absolutely better equipped stock vs stock but you pay dearly for it. You are looking at sometimes as much as 15k dollar difference between comparable 11-12 and even more different vs earlier cars. If you plan to mod it anyways the 5.4 makes alot of sense for the money. If you want something that is better equipped stock and needs less upgrades overall to hit 700 these are great at that. A 5.4 is a blower swap away from good power. They're real good value imo and both have the same amazing sound.