I’m new to archery and just got a sammick (galaxy) sage elite 2 @ #35 for $150. One piece of advice from a beginner is to buy your first bow at a shop, the guidance and advice I got from the guys at my local shop was so valuable. They also set my bow up correctly before and after shooting a little. Get ready to be outside for a few hours everyday practicing, I’m addicted!
Thank you! I have been shopping for a decent take-down recurve. I keep seeing the Samick Sage on Amazon and other places. Never heard of that brand and was worried about doing it. But after seeing your video I like the performance of the thing and think I will do it. Again, thank you!
I have had great success with mine. Not a single issue to note. Once you get it setup to your liking and shooting style I think you would enjoy it as well. Best of luck on your journey my friend. Have a great day!
Hi folks, I bought a 40# pse nighthawk for my son to shoot, but I seem to be using it more than him lol, it's a takedown just like the sage, shoots awesome, not expensive, very accurate bow, I also have 2, 50# longbows that I use , but it's just nice to drop down in poundage, n shoot a recurve for once, been shooting longbows since i was young, in my sixties now, I tried compound bows, just to many bells n whistles for me, to many things to go wrong, it's traditional archery that puts a smile on my face, shakyjake out.
Awesome brother. I looked at the PSE before I bought the samick. I'm with you on the compound bows, nothing wrong with them, but once I made the switch to traditional bows I haven't looked back. My friend I'm glad you took the time to comment. Have a great evening! Best regards
Absolutely on point. I think we get into a mindset that more is better with some things. Beginning archery is not one of those. You sacrifice a lot when you start with too much weight. Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment. Have a great day my friend!
Is 35 pushing it? Keeping in mind I actually do want to benefit from the lateral strength archery can build? Or should I just start 30 and build up after a few months? Yet go back and forth with each to keep form yet maintain strength?
Been shooting Bear Grizzly 50lbs off the shelve, fingers. Definitely need to work on using proper technique. Taking your advise and getting a lower lbs bow, stop shooting off the shelf, getting a Bear all weather rest and going to try shooting three under. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
Thank you for your time and the comment my friend. Lower poundage is great for working on the essentials. I think I stayed at 35 /40 pounds for a number of years for that purpose. It definitely helped me. Let me know how three under works for you. Thanks again for the time my friend. I hope you have a great evening! Best regards
Thank you for the comment. I don’t think I will ever part with mine. It still shoots great to this day. Thank you for time my friend. Have a great evening. Best regards.
A bow only has 1 job...transfer energy. It's the arrow and the archer that cause accuracy! I bought a lightning recurve with 35 and 50 lb limbs off Amazon 2 weeks and several thousand shots later I'm shooting 5 arrows in 3 inch groups at 30 yards and everything down from that. Practice!
Agree 100 percent. Awesome that you are getting that tight a group at 30 yds. How do you like the lightning bow? I'll definitely have to check it out. Thank you for the time and the comment my friend. Have a great evening. Best regards
I really enjoyed your video. I will be buying this bow shortly and start shooting for the first time. At 8:27 you mention a “bow square”, what is that and how does one one use it and what is it for? Thank you.
I am shooting a 40# Cabelas Sabrehawk (discontinued). I have Gold Tip carbon arrows and Cabelas Stalker Xtreme carbon arrows. I only shoot occasionally in the backyard but need to get in more practice time.
Thank you for your time and sharing your setup. How do you like the Sabrehawk? Hopefully the rain will move on soon so I can get more time in. Lately it seems to rain every weekend here. I am thankful I have a place indoors to shoot. I hope you have a great evening my friend. Best regards
Hey I just ordered a sage 30 lb to get my form down and start off with trad archery I want to hunt Next year with it.... I’m pretty strong so I think I’ll move up to 45 next and possible 50+ if I can keep hood form ... what arrow weight/ spine... and tip weight would you use for a 30 lb bow ? My draw is 28.75 ... and also what arrows and tip weight would you use for a 45lb ? Sorry I know that’s a lot to respond to but just looking for some advice, great video!
Apologies for the delayed response. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. That's awesome that you ordered one. At 30 pounds I would start in the 600 spine range with a standard insert and probably a 100 to 125 grain field tip. That should give pretty good arrow flight. to work on your form. Once good with that, you could start tuning your arrows to suit your needs. At 45 pounds you have different options to choose from. I shoot a 500 spine arrow, 8.9 grains per inch, with a 50 grain insert, and 125 grain field tips. That's not a hard and fast rule though. At 50 pounds I tried a 340 spine, 100 grain insert, and 125 grain field tip. They work ok, i think they may be a little weak with a 100 grain insert in them, but that's the fun of it, tweaking until you get it just the way you like. Let me know how you progress my friend. I appreciate your comment. Have a great evening my friend.
Nice video. I have been shooting a 55# sammick sage for about 6 years now. Granted Its the only bow I have ever shot, but I have no trouble with groupings up to 25 meters. I am far from an expert, but have never felt the need to purchase another bow.
Awesome my friend. I really enjoy mine as well. It just feels right when I shoot it. Thanks for watching my video and the support! I really appreciate it.
@@Woden81 the draw is tough, so the stronger your shoulders and back are the better. The biggest difference to keep in mind from the compounds is that there is no relief from the tension at full draw. Accuracy is all up to the shooter, my opinion. The more I practiced and became familiar with the bow, the better I got.
@@craigmile7286 Cheers for the reply mate, I'll keep what you said in mind, just a bit worried a bit off more then I can chew with the poundage lol. I have my compound set at 60 and no issues with it but like you said there is no relief with a recurve
My first bow? Samick sage #45 - $150. Second bow: custom stock long bow #55 - $500 Third bow: custom recurve #55 -$1,200 Guess which shoots the best? The one that I do my best on. Meaning it is not the bow, it is me. Which one do I like best? The $1,200 custom, but that has more to do with the fine wood and quality of craftsmanship, not performance. I can shoot a tight group (when I'm lucky) with the Sage at 30 yards and I can suck at 25 yards with the $1,200. Again both are all me.
I agree with you, it's all about the archer and not the bow. In my opinion you always get out of anything what you put in. I have looked at some high end bows and one day will give one a go. For now no matter what I shoot I enjoy it to the fullest potential. I think I spend the most time working on me and not so much worrying about the bow I'm using. They all have positives and negatives. I don't think I could ever part with my Samick. To this day I still get out with and just enjoy it. Have a great day my friend! Best regards
@@ScottWinters Amen... I shoot probably 200 arrows a day, 7 days a week and the sage is my '1969 Ford ibeam pickup truck', never fails me and if bang it against a rock or fail to unstring it... it keeps on truck'n!
The SS is not a center shot bow. If you carefully measure it all up, you will find that the arrows are to the left of the riser. The string pushes the arrow to the left, as the tip of the arrow and the normal resting position of the string are out of allignment. Some people have sanded the riser down, so that the arrows are more straight on. Try shooting the bow with small feathers, and you will see the bows true colours. Best of luck.
You are correct. The addition of the weather rest adds to the push left as well. All in all the bow handles well as it is, so I do not think sanding will be in its future. I will definitely check out the feather advice. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment my friend. Have a great day!
all that means is that you need to use a slightly weaker spine to get it flying straight. it's nowhere near something like a self bow or an English longbow where the arrow is literally sitting on your knuckle. sanding will just reduce its overall strength and integrity. might end up snapping if you use something like 60# limbs in a compromised bow. provided you have proper form, you can bare-shaft tune any bow so that it will fly straight even without feathers. I have done this to multiple setups out to 30 meters many times.
Thanks for taking the time to make a great comment. What you stated makes a big difference with bows that aren't center cut. Although the Sage is not center cut it is close enough so that you don't have to weaken the arrow spine drastically. I really appreciate your time. Have a great day my friend.
@@ScottWinters you too. Just one quick note though. Bows cut to centre will always have the arrows to the left. If you want centreshot, you actually need a bow cut PAST centre. How much past? Half the diameter of the arrow you are using. A micro diameter arrow will require less past centre than a fat arrow
My Sage doesn't sound as quiet as your's. I can actually hear the arrow as it fly's across the rest as if there's contact. Brace height and nock point are correct. My black hunter is very quiet by comparison and its driving me nuts. Any ideas. Cheers from Australia, love your vid's.
That's interesting. I would try some material in the limb pockets to start with. Very thin leather or felt. I would then check the string and how it aligns with the string grooves. If it was off there could create the issue you are experiencing with the arrow pass. I would also experiment with the nock point. Try using a moveable nock, it will make it easier to make fine-tuning adjustments. Let me know what you find that works. I appreciate your time my friend. Have a great day. Best regards
Good morning from Florida Mr. Scott Winters' can you help me with my Samick Sage I've had it for three years. I noticed the other day the cord/string does not seat in the grove on the lower limb' that would be the limb with the Samick Sage info stamped. I broke down the Samick' cleaned and reset the limbs, reset the brace length and I even flipped the cord/string and the string end loop'' but the string seats off center of the lower limb grove. Any thoughts? Thank you
Sadly I have a 30.75" draw length and just found some forums where I was told that this bow has a maximum draw length of 29. I honestly can't find any manufacturer information to tell me. Numerous people have said that it begins stacking at 29" so with a 40# sage I would be pulling 47-48, I just don't know if it would be safe. Back to researching I guess.
Eddy, it is true that longer draw lengths can create stacking issues with shorter bows, and stressing the limbs repeatedly could cause limb damage / failure. Have you checked with Southwest Archery and looked at their Spider XL takedown bow? It's basically the samick Sage with 64" limbs. The longer limbs help with longer draw lengths and stacking issues. A lot of the designers of the Samick now work for Southwest Archery and brought the design to SA, repackaged it under the new name Spider XL a lot of people call it the Samick 2.0 . It may be worth a look for you. Plus their customer service is excellent and they would most likely be able.to address your questions and concerns. Best of luck on finding the right bow for your needs. I would be interested in what you find my friend. Have a great day my friend.
I own a Samick Journey which is the 64 inch version. I also have a pair of Sage limbs which are inderchangable. Although my draw length is 28 inches I feel much better drawing the 64 inch bow. The Sage limbs seem to stuck at about 27 inches. In your description you are talking about plastic limb pockets.... Must be a new generation of Sages. Mine has metal limb pockets. I'd like to find and by one more, but I thought that Samick was not producing them anymore. Where can I find one?
You know, I need to check mine. I swear those pockets are plastic, but it would not be the first time I have been wrong. Most of the designers of the Sage went to Southwest Archery and are producing a version of the Sage called the Spider. There is the standard spider and the spider xl, which is the 64 inche version. The limbs are interchangeable with your Sage. I love mine and have since I purchased it. Thank you so much for watching and taking the time to comment. Have a great day my friend
I'm a 30 inch draw length. I'm really pushing the Sage at that length. The Sage is a 62 inch total length bow. I moved to 64 inch bows to accommodate my draw length. At 29 you should be good. Hope that helps. Have a great day. Best regards.
Thanks for the question. You would be fine to use 500 spined arrows. You may have to leave them full length and use a heavier field tip. A full length arrow shaft with a 125 grain field tip should work ok. Thanks you for your time. Have a great evening. Best regards
If you are Shooting your first bow, dont worry too much about spine, if you are goin into the right direction (Something between 500-800 at 35#) you will be fine for the start. Arrow tuning is a highly commented topic and you'll need experience and time to look behind that, but as mentioned, a 500 with a heavier tip will work. Shoot straight and have fun!
Wow Nice vid' Ill be asking lots of Q: when I receive my Samick Sage 50# next week from Amazon. so........my first Q: would a Square ruler with level work the same as Bow square ?
Thanks for watching and commenting. I really appreciate it. To answer your question it would depend on what you are trying to do. If you are just checking brace height a regular ruler would work great. If you are trying to set your nock height it might be a bit hard to get that set right. A bow square will snap onto your string and give you a precise nock height measurement. That being said, you could get an approximate measurement and start from there. A bow square just makes it easier. I love my Sage, it's gets some flack around the forums, but for the money you can't beat it. Excited for you my friend. Let me know how it goes when you get set up and shooting. Have a great day!
@@ScottWinters Thank you much Scott' Already my first mistake not ordering the Bow square. Yes my intension was for both Brace height and setting nocks. Thank you for your time and you'll probably receive more Q: from me, Great day to you as well!
35 would be a great weight to start with. Not sure what your draw length is, but anything over 28 inches is going to add 2 to 3 pounds per inch over 28. At 35 you can definitely dial in the fundamentals and then move up in weight. Let me know how you get along with it. If I can be of any assistance feel free to ask. Have a great evening! Best regards.
Those are string silencers. Yes they do aid in quieting down a bow. You can purchase string silencers and they come in many different variations. I make mine out of yarn, and it's a very simple process. I appreciate your time. Thank you asking. Have a great day. Best regards
It really depends on what draw weight you intend to start with. If you start with a lighter draw weight you will need to use a higher spine arrow. An example would be if you start 25 to 40 pounds i would use a 600 or 700 spined arrow. If you start higher you can use lower spined arrows, like a 500 spine. I also suggest you use full length arrow shafts. Once you get into it and start learning more you will most likely research and start tuning your arrows to fit your particular needs. The key when first starting is to work on your fundamentals - form, anchor, and your release. Good luck on your archery journey. Have a great day my friend.
Hi Scott, I am a beginner and have purchased my first Samick Sage takedown 25 lb bow. What are the best arrows that I can use on this?, length, spine and grain. I am so confused. My Draw length is 28-29 inch. If you can provide a link to purchase arrows online for this, that would be great. Thank you.
Avinash, most spine charts are going to recommend a 500 to 600 spine for that draw weight. However, spine charts give you an average recommended spine weight. Easton has an online spine chart that covers a broad spectrum of weights and spine recommendations. Before you go out and purchase a full set of arrows I would buy a few different spines to see what works best with that weight. For the cost of a few arrows you could get a real world idea of what is best suited for your setup. Some online retailers sell test kits to get you going on the right path. The kits give you a few different spines to try out. An online search will give you and options for that. You will also need some field tips for the arrows, 85, 100, and 125 are what I would recommend to start with. Doing it this way will save you money and keep you from buying things that may equal a lot of frustration for you just starting out. Again, those are just my suggestions based on what worked for me. Once you have determined what works for your setup, concentrate on proper shooting form, anchor and of course your release. These are going to be key to make any arrow fly straight. I hope that helps you. It's a lot to take in just starting out but take it slow, and enjoy the learning process.
If you are just starting out I would go for a 30 to 35. It's easier to get the fundamentals down with lower draw weight. During the process you will build strength and proper form. The advantage a takedown bow has is that once you do build strength you can purchase heavier weight limbs. I hope that helps. Have a great day. Best regards
You are correct. At the time I thought they were plastic for some reason. I have corrected my thought process. Thank you for the comment my friend. Have a great evening. Best regards
My personal opinion is yes, 30 pounds is a good weight to start with. The lowest you can draw without struggling or straining is always best, and will help when you are getting your form correct and consistent. Have a great day my friend.
You should be good with a 62 inch Sage. I shoot mine with a 30 inch draw length with zero issues. If I am correct with this statement when you get past 29 inches in draw length the additional 2 inches in bow length help with longer draw lengths. I love to hear about your experience with the bow if you purchase it. If u can be of any assistance please feel free to contact me. Have a great evening! Best regards
@@ScottWinters Thank you for the quick reply! It will probably be a month or 2 but I will definitely be getting either the sage or the black hunter. Leaning toward the sage. Any recommendations on arrows that won’t break the bank and be decent quality for target shooting? Length?
@@mikeford9176I generally use goldtip arrows. But they are hard to get longer than 31 inches locally. I would check out linkboy arrows on Amazon. Long delivery times but worth the wait. What draw weight are you going for with your bow purchase? I tend to favor 32 or 33 inch length arrows and linkboy bare shafts deliver at that length. . Depending on draw weight you can tune them easily by either weight inserts or cutting them down a bit. I have a video post that discusses this topic. I will help you any way I can. So if you need any information or help feel free to contact me.
@@ScottWinters Thank you for your help. I will definitely keep in touch. Thinking something easy like 30. My girlfriend and I both want to be able to shoot it so 30 might be the sweet spot hopefully.
Samick은 한국의 피아노 제조업체였고, 경기용 활 제조도 같이 했어요. 한국의 양궁선수들이 압도적인 성과를 거두면서, 역시 한국의 윈앤윈과 함께 미국의 호이트와 일본의 야마하를 이기고 경기용 활 분야에서 셰계 최고위치를 차지함. 주력사업인 피아노 제조업이 불황으로 파산해서 활 제조업이 중국으로 옮겨가면서 겅기용 활 제조의 지배력이 쇠퇴함.
The arrows are 30.5 inches. I have since started using 32 inch arrows when I can find them in the correct spine. Thanks for the question. Have a great day. Best regards
That's correct I find that the 500 spine tunes well to the bows draw weight at 40 lbs. I hope you enjoy your new bow my friend. Have a great day. Best regards
Hey! I was wondering what pull back weight (i think thats what its called) I should get for a 10-13 year old I want to get into archery but I don`t know witch one I should get.
I would start them out at 20 pound draw weight. Also it is not a bad idea to start adults that has never shot a bow at a low draw weight such as 20 - 25 pound draw weight. With a takedown bow like this you can always get the heavier draw weight limbs. I have the Samick Sage bows in 25,30,45 and 55 pound draw weight. That's 2 risers with 4 sets of limbs. They are very nice bows for the money. I hope this helps.
Cyber, I agree Dewayne. It's always best to start with a low draw weight and work up. It's not only better at helping them get the the basics down like form and release, but it's also a more enjoyable sport if you are not struggling with your bow just to be able to draw shoot it. With a take down bow like the Sage having the option of interchangeable limb weights gives anyone a lot of room to grow into it the right way. Thanks for watching the video. Have a great day my friend.
@@ScottWinters you did a great job on your video I enjoyed it. It's nice to see and watch a well informed video such as this. Maybe someday we will meet on the range or trails. Have a great day.
The Samick Sage can be purchased from different retailers. Amazon usually carries them in different draw weight options. I think 130 dollars is about the norm on price point. Best regards
You guys who review the sage always say the Samick sage is from heaven, what about the incredible stacking, don't you think a new shooter will have a harder time anchoring the shoulder blade when they run up against all that stacking.
I wouldn't actually say it's from heaven. Far from it, but for an entry level bow it's a solid shooter in my opinion. For anyone just getting into archery they really should start with a lower draw weight to build up strength, form and fundamentals. I think a fair amount of bows, not all but some, on the market today have stacking to some degree. The video is my opinion of the bow, and not meant to be taken as gospel by any means. I appreciate you taking the time to comment. Have a great day my friend.
I got this bow as my 1st non-compound (shot the Hoyt Charger before this one) bow. I still have it. Still love it, though my primary bow now is a Bearpaw Blackfoot longbow (such is how it's marketed. I think, technically, it is a flat bow rather than a longbow) I would NOT part with my Samick Sage.
Thanks for commenting my friend. Everybody's likes and dislikes are varied. There are some things about it wish were different about it, but overall it works for me. Thanks again for watching and commenting. Have a great day!
I'm new to archery. I just purchased my first bow. I bought the Sage Premier at 25#. I'm so excited.
That's awesome. Enjoy the process of learning archery. Have fun with it. Have a great day.
I’m new to archery and just got a sammick (galaxy) sage elite 2 @ #35 for $150. One piece of advice from a beginner is to buy your first bow at a shop, the guidance and advice I got from the guys at my local shop was so valuable. They also set my bow up correctly before and after shooting a little. Get ready to be outside for a few hours everyday practicing, I’m addicted!
That is awesome my friend. I hope you enjoy your archery journey! Have a great day. Best regards.
Just bought one. Looking forward to getting out shooting with it. Total beginner here
Awesome my friend. I wish you much success on your archery adventure. Thanks for commenting. Have a great day!
Thank you! I have been shopping for a decent take-down recurve. I keep seeing the Samick Sage on Amazon and other places. Never heard of that brand and was worried about doing it. But after seeing your video I like the performance of the thing and think I will do it. Again, thank you!
I have had great success with mine. Not a single issue to note. Once you get it setup to your liking and shooting style I think you would enjoy it as well. Best of luck on your journey my friend. Have a great day!
Great review and advice - just picked up a Samick Sage @ 35lb draw - reckon they shoot about as well as the Archer behind them.
Awesome, happy shooting my friend! Thanks for watching and the comment. Have a great day
Good review....thanks for posting
Great video, 👍
Thank you my friend. I appreciate it. Have a great evening. Best regards
Hi folks, I bought a 40# pse nighthawk for my son to shoot, but I seem to be using it more than him lol, it's a takedown just like the sage, shoots awesome, not expensive, very accurate bow, I also have 2, 50# longbows that I use , but it's just nice to drop down in poundage, n shoot a recurve for once, been shooting longbows since i was young, in my sixties now, I tried compound bows, just to many bells n whistles for me, to many things to go wrong, it's traditional archery that puts a smile on my face, shakyjake out.
Awesome brother. I looked at the PSE before I bought the samick. I'm with you on the compound bows, nothing wrong with them, but once I made the switch to traditional bows I haven't looked back. My friend I'm glad you took the time to comment. Have a great evening! Best regards
Agree: don’t fall for some illusion of wanting a heavy bow. 25-30lb is enough for beginners
Absolutely on point. I think we get into a mindset that more is better with some things. Beginning archery is not one of those. You sacrifice a lot when you start with too much weight. Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment. Have a great day my friend!
Is 35 pushing it? Keeping in mind I actually do want to benefit from the lateral strength archery can build? Or should I just start 30 and build up after a few months? Yet go back and forth with each to keep form yet maintain strength?
@@josiahcone7506I’m in the same boat with alternating
Been shooting Bear Grizzly 50lbs off the shelve, fingers. Definitely need to work on using proper technique. Taking your advise and getting a lower lbs bow, stop shooting off the shelf, getting a Bear all weather rest and going to try shooting three under. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
Thank you for your time and the comment my friend. Lower poundage is great for working on the essentials. I think I stayed at 35 /40 pounds for a number of years for that purpose. It definitely helped me. Let me know how three under works for you. Thanks again for the time my friend. I hope you have a great evening! Best regards
@@ScottWinters Thank you Scott... Appreciate you sharing your knowledge brother. Cheers!
I love my samicks i have a left snd right hand. I dont feel the need to upgrade the whole bow. Not until i decide what side i shoot best on. ❤
Thank you for the comment. I don’t think I will ever part with mine. It still shoots great to this day. Thank you for time my friend. Have a great evening. Best regards.
A bow only has 1 job...transfer energy. It's the arrow and the archer that cause accuracy! I bought a lightning recurve with 35 and 50 lb limbs off Amazon 2 weeks and several thousand shots later I'm shooting 5 arrows in 3 inch groups at 30 yards and everything down from that. Practice!
Agree 100 percent. Awesome that you are getting that tight a group at 30 yds. How do you like the lightning bow? I'll definitely have to check it out. Thank you for the time and the comment my friend. Have a great evening. Best regards
@@ScottWinters I'd say that it's the best $95 I've ever spent on archery tackle! It shoots great and at 50lb. It's throwing some good arrow speed
I really enjoyed your video. I will be buying this bow shortly and start shooting for the first time. At 8:27 you mention a “bow square”, what is that and how does one one use it and what is it for? Thank you.
I am shooting a 40# Cabelas Sabrehawk (discontinued). I have Gold Tip carbon arrows and Cabelas Stalker Xtreme carbon arrows. I only shoot occasionally in the backyard but need to get in more practice time.
Thank you for your time and sharing your setup. How do you like the Sabrehawk? Hopefully the rain will move on soon so I can get more time in. Lately it seems to rain every weekend here. I am thankful I have a place indoors to shoot. I hope you have a great evening my friend. Best regards
Great video!! I will be getting one of these....
Is that a Tele Bass with P pickups? Definitely cool! I am a Jazz Bass guy.
Hey I just ordered a sage 30 lb to get my form down and start off with trad archery I want to hunt Next year with it.... I’m pretty strong so I think I’ll move up to 45 next and possible 50+ if I can keep hood form ... what arrow weight/ spine... and tip weight would you use for a 30 lb bow ? My draw is 28.75 ... and also what arrows and tip weight would you use for a 45lb ? Sorry I know that’s a lot to respond to but just looking for some advice, great video!
Apologies for the delayed response. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. That's awesome that you ordered one. At 30 pounds I would start in the 600 spine range with a standard insert and probably a 100 to 125 grain field tip. That should give pretty good arrow flight. to work on your form. Once good with that, you could start tuning your arrows to suit your needs.
At 45 pounds you have different options to choose from. I shoot a 500 spine arrow, 8.9 grains per inch, with a 50 grain insert, and 125 grain field tips. That's not a hard and fast rule though.
At 50 pounds I tried a 340 spine, 100 grain insert, and 125 grain field tip. They work ok, i think they may be a little weak with a 100 grain insert in them, but that's the fun of it, tweaking until you get it just the way you like. Let me know how you progress my friend. I appreciate your comment. Have a great evening my friend.
@@ScottWinters I ordered some 500 spine gold tips for the 45 limbs and a point test kit .... will get 600s for the 30s
Nice video. I have been shooting a 55# sammick sage for about 6 years now. Granted Its the only bow I have ever shot, but I have no trouble with groupings up to 25 meters. I am far from an expert, but have never felt the need to purchase another bow.
Awesome my friend. I really enjoy mine as well. It just feels right when I shoot it. Thanks for watching my video and the support! I really appreciate it.
How does the draw feel at 55? Order one at 55 myself but I haven't used much recurves, only compounds and also is it very accurate at 55?
@@Woden81 the draw is tough, so the stronger your shoulders and back are the better. The biggest difference to keep in mind from the compounds is that there is no relief from the tension at full draw. Accuracy is all up to the shooter, my opinion. The more I practiced and became familiar with the bow, the better I got.
@@craigmile7286 Cheers for the reply mate, I'll keep what you said in mind, just a bit worried a bit off more then I can chew with the poundage lol. I have my compound set at 60 and no issues with it but like you said there is no relief with a recurve
@@craigmile7286 Got my recruve, definitely need a finger tab pulling it back 😂 but glad I went with the 55
Bow is sweet!👍
Thank you my friend! I have thoroughly enjoyed owning this one. I appreciate your time. Have a great evening. Best Regards
@@ScottWinters yeah great price and they will definitely take a deer
My first bow? Samick sage #45 - $150.
Second bow: custom stock long bow #55 - $500
Third bow: custom recurve #55 -$1,200
Guess which shoots the best?
The one that I do my best on. Meaning it is not the bow, it is me.
Which one do I like best? The $1,200 custom, but that has more to do with the fine wood and quality of craftsmanship, not performance.
I can shoot a tight group (when I'm lucky) with the Sage at 30 yards and I can suck at 25 yards with the $1,200. Again both are all me.
I agree with you, it's all about the archer and not the bow. In my opinion you always get out of anything what you put in. I have looked at some high end bows and one day will give one a go. For now no matter what I shoot I enjoy it to the fullest potential.
I think I spend the most time working on me and not so much worrying about the bow I'm using. They all have positives and negatives.
I don't think I could ever part with my Samick. To this day I still get out with and just enjoy it.
Have a great day my friend! Best regards
@@ScottWinters Amen... I shoot probably 200 arrows a day, 7 days a week and the sage is my '1969 Ford ibeam pickup truck', never fails me and if bang it against a rock or fail to unstring it... it keeps on truck'n!
The SS is not a center shot bow.
If you carefully measure it all up, you will find that the arrows are to the left of the riser.
The string pushes the arrow to the left, as the tip of the arrow and the normal resting position of the string are out of allignment.
Some people have sanded the riser down, so that the arrows are more straight on.
Try shooting the bow with small feathers, and you will see the bows true colours.
Best of luck.
You are correct. The addition of the weather rest adds to the push left as well. All in all the bow handles well as it is, so I do not think sanding will be in its future. I will definitely check out the feather advice.
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment my friend. Have a great day!
all that means is that you need to use a slightly weaker spine to get it flying straight.
it's nowhere near something like a self bow or an English longbow where the arrow is literally sitting on your knuckle.
sanding will just reduce its overall strength and integrity. might end up snapping if you use something like 60# limbs in a compromised bow.
provided you have proper form, you can bare-shaft tune any bow so that it will fly straight even without feathers. I have done this to multiple setups out to 30 meters many times.
Thanks for taking the time to make a great comment. What you stated makes a big difference with bows that aren't center cut. Although the Sage is not center cut it is close enough so that you don't have to weaken the arrow spine drastically. I really appreciate your time. Have a great day my friend.
@@ScottWinters you too.
Just one quick note though. Bows cut to centre will always have the arrows to the left. If you want centreshot, you actually need a bow cut PAST centre. How much past? Half the diameter of the arrow you are using. A micro diameter arrow will require less past centre than a fat arrow
Thanks for the tip! I really appreciate it when people share their insight! Have a great day my friend. Best regards
My Sage doesn't sound as quiet as your's. I can actually hear the arrow as it fly's across the rest as if there's contact. Brace height and nock point are correct. My black hunter is very quiet by comparison and its driving me nuts. Any ideas. Cheers from Australia, love your vid's.
That's interesting. I would try some material in the limb pockets to start with. Very thin leather or felt. I would then check the string and how it aligns with the string grooves. If it was off there could create the issue you are experiencing with the arrow pass. I would also experiment with the nock point. Try using a moveable nock, it will make it easier to make fine-tuning adjustments. Let me know what you find that works. I appreciate your time my friend. Have a great day. Best regards
Good morning from Florida Mr. Scott Winters' can you help me with my Samick Sage I've had it for three years. I noticed the other day the cord/string does not seat in the grove on the lower limb' that would be the limb with the Samick Sage info stamped. I broke down the Samick' cleaned and reset the limbs, reset the brace length and I even flipped the cord/string and the string end loop'' but the string seats off center of the lower limb grove. Any thoughts? Thank you
Sadly I have a 30.75" draw length and just found some forums where I was told that this bow has a maximum draw length of 29. I honestly can't find any manufacturer information to tell me.
Numerous people have said that it begins stacking at 29" so with a 40# sage I would be pulling 47-48, I just don't know if it would be safe.
Back to researching I guess.
Eddy, it is true that longer draw lengths can create stacking issues with shorter bows, and stressing the limbs repeatedly could cause limb damage / failure. Have you checked with Southwest Archery and looked at their Spider XL takedown bow? It's basically the samick Sage with 64" limbs. The longer limbs help with longer draw lengths and stacking issues.
A lot of the designers of the Samick now work for Southwest Archery and brought the design to SA, repackaged it under the new name Spider XL a lot of people call it the Samick 2.0
. It may be worth a look for you. Plus their customer service is excellent and they would most likely be able.to address your questions and concerns. Best of luck on finding the right bow for your needs. I would be interested in what you find my friend. Have a great day my friend.
I own a Samick Journey which is the 64 inch version.
I also have a pair of Sage limbs which are inderchangable.
Although my draw length is 28 inches I feel much better drawing the 64 inch bow.
The Sage limbs seem to stuck at about 27 inches.
In your description you are talking about plastic limb pockets.... Must be a new generation of Sages. Mine has metal limb pockets.
I'd like to find and by one more, but I thought that Samick was not producing them anymore.
Where can I find one?
You know, I need to check mine. I swear those pockets are plastic, but it would not be the first time I have been wrong. Most of the designers of the Sage went to Southwest Archery and are producing a version of the Sage called the Spider. There is the standard spider and the spider xl, which is the 64 inche version. The limbs are interchangeable with your Sage. I love mine and have since I purchased it. Thank you so much for watching and taking the time to comment. Have a great day my friend
What draw length are you I'm looking at sage and I'm 29" draw?
I'm a 30 inch draw length. I'm really pushing the Sage at that length. The Sage is a 62 inch total length bow. I moved to 64 inch bows to accommodate my draw length. At 29 you should be good. Hope that helps. Have a great day. Best regards.
Hello. Can we get a comparison of this bow with the Black Hunter? Not enough vs videos of these 2 out there. I am stuck between choosing the 2.
Absolutely. That a great idea. Thanks for the comment! Best regards
I just bought a 35lb samick sage! Would a 500 spine arrow be okay to use or should I use a 700-600 spine?
Thanks for the question. You would be fine to use 500 spined arrows. You may have to leave them full length and use a heavier field tip. A full length arrow shaft with a 125 grain field tip should work ok. Thanks you for your time. Have a great evening. Best regards
If you are Shooting your first bow, dont worry too much about spine, if you are goin into the right direction (Something between 500-800 at 35#) you will be fine for the start. Arrow tuning is a highly commented topic and you'll need experience and time to look behind that, but as mentioned, a 500 with a heavier tip will work. Shoot straight and have fun!
Wow Nice vid' Ill be asking lots of Q: when I receive my Samick Sage 50# next week from Amazon. so........my first Q: would a Square ruler with level work the same as Bow square ?
Thanks for watching and commenting. I really appreciate it. To answer your question it would depend on what you are trying to do. If you are just checking brace height a regular ruler would work great. If you are trying to set your nock height it might be a bit hard to get that set right. A bow square will snap onto your string and give you a precise nock height measurement. That being said, you could get an approximate measurement and start from there. A bow square just makes it easier. I love my Sage, it's gets some flack around the forums, but for the money you can't beat it. Excited for you my friend. Let me know how it goes when you get set up and shooting. Have a great day!
@@ScottWinters Thank you much Scott' Already my first mistake not ordering the Bow square. Yes my intension was for both Brace height and setting nocks. Thank you for your time and you'll probably receive more Q: from me, Great day to you as well!
I’m planning on buying that bow I shot a bow once in high school I’m 44 now what would be a good start draw weight to start I’m thinking #35
35 would be a great weight to start with. Not sure what your draw length is, but anything over 28 inches is going to add 2 to 3 pounds per inch over 28. At 35 you can definitely dial in the fundamentals and then move up in weight. Let me know how you get along with it. If I can be of any assistance feel free to ask. Have a great evening! Best regards.
friend I wanted to ask you a question What size does the arrows you shoot with your samick 29 inches or 30 inches. Thank you
The arrows are 32 inches in length. I have some that are 30/31 inches.
I appreciate your time my friend. Have a great evening. Best regards
What are the fuzzy things on the bow string and are they worth getting?
Those are string silencers. Yes they do aid in quieting down a bow. You can purchase string silencers and they come in many different variations. I make mine out of yarn, and it's a very simple process. I appreciate your time. Thank you asking. Have a great day. Best regards
I want to get into archery and am thinking about purchasing this bow. If I do, what arrows should I get?
It really depends on what draw weight you intend to start with. If you start with a lighter draw weight you will need to use a higher spine arrow. An example would be if you start 25 to 40 pounds i would use a 600 or 700 spined arrow. If you start higher you can use lower spined arrows, like a 500 spine. I also suggest you use full length arrow shafts. Once you get into it and start learning more you will most likely research and start tuning your arrows to fit your particular needs.
The key when first starting is to work on your fundamentals - form, anchor, and your release.
Good luck on your archery journey. Have a great day my friend.
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Hi Scott, I am a beginner and have purchased my first Samick Sage takedown 25 lb bow. What are the best arrows that I can use on this?, length, spine and grain. I am so confused. My Draw length is 28-29 inch. If you can provide a link to purchase arrows online for this, that would be great. Thank you.
Avinash, most spine charts are going to recommend a 500 to 600 spine for that draw weight. However, spine charts give you an average recommended spine weight. Easton has an online spine chart that covers a broad spectrum of weights and spine recommendations. Before you go out and purchase a full set of arrows I would buy a few different spines to see what works best with that weight. For the cost of a few arrows you could get a real world idea of what is best suited for your setup. Some online retailers sell test kits to get you going on the right path. The kits give you a few different spines to try out. An online search will give you and options for that. You will also need some field tips for the arrows, 85, 100, and 125 are what I would recommend to start with. Doing it this way will save you money and keep you from buying things that may equal a lot of frustration for you just starting out. Again, those are just my suggestions based on what worked for me.
Once you have determined what works for your setup, concentrate on proper shooting form, anchor and of course your release. These are going to be key to make any arrow fly straight. I hope that helps you. It's a lot to take in just starting out but take it slow, and enjoy the learning process.
Whats a low pound bow number I should shop for? 30, 40?
If you are just starting out I would go for a 30 to 35. It's easier to get the fundamentals down with lower draw weight. During the process you will build strength and proper form. The advantage a takedown bow has is that once you do build strength you can purchase heavier weight limbs.
I hope that helps. Have a great day. Best regards
Habr you ever tried the omp recurve
Sir, could you tell me how many pounds is that samick bow in this video please. thank you
The Samick is a 40 pound draw weight. Thank you for the question. Have a great day. Best regards.
@@ScottWinters thanks
Thought those limb guides were aluminum?
You are correct. At the time I thought they were plastic for some reason. I have corrected my thought process. Thank you for the comment my friend. Have a great evening. Best regards
Hi... I was just wondering if 30 pounds was good for a beginner ?
My personal opinion is yes, 30 pounds is a good weight to start with. The lowest you can draw without struggling or straining is always best, and will help when you are getting your form correct and consistent. Have a great day my friend.
@@ScottWinters thank you! Have a great day
I have a 29” draw length. Just measured it. I am a relative beginner. Am I ok with a 62 inch bow? I see the sage’s on Amazon are 62 only
You should be good with a 62 inch Sage. I shoot mine with a 30 inch draw length with zero issues. If I am correct with this statement when you get past 29 inches in draw length the additional 2 inches in bow length help with longer draw lengths. I love to hear about your experience with the bow if you purchase it. If u can be of any assistance please feel free to contact me. Have a great evening! Best regards
@@ScottWinters Thank you for the quick reply! It will probably be a month or 2 but I will definitely be getting either the sage or the black hunter. Leaning toward the sage. Any recommendations on arrows that won’t break the bank and be decent quality for target shooting? Length?
@@mikeford9176I generally use goldtip arrows. But they are hard to get longer than 31 inches locally. I would check out linkboy arrows on Amazon. Long delivery times but worth the wait. What draw weight are you going for with your bow purchase? I tend to favor 32 or 33 inch length arrows and linkboy bare shafts deliver at that length. . Depending on draw weight you can tune them easily by either weight inserts or cutting them down a bit. I have a video post that discusses this topic. I will help you any way I can. So if you need any information or help feel free to contact me.
@@ScottWinters Thank you for your help. I will definitely keep in touch. Thinking something easy like 30. My girlfriend and I both want to be able to shoot it so 30 might be the sweet spot hopefully.
Samick은 한국의 피아노 제조업체였고, 경기용 활 제조도 같이 했어요.
한국의 양궁선수들이 압도적인 성과를 거두면서,
역시 한국의 윈앤윈과 함께 미국의 호이트와 일본의 야마하를 이기고
경기용 활 분야에서 셰계 최고위치를 차지함.
주력사업인 피아노 제조업이 불황으로 파산해서
활 제조업이 중국으로 옮겨가면서 겅기용 활 제조의 지배력이 쇠퇴함.
How long are the arrows you are using?
The arrows are 30.5 inches. I have since started using 32 inch arrows when I can find them in the correct spine. Thanks for the question. Have a great day. Best regards
@@ScottWinters 500?
@@ScottWinters I just bought a SS so will look at arrow weight you using in 30 inches, I take it thats a 500 spine you refer to?
That's correct I find that the 500 spine tunes well to the bows draw weight at 40 lbs. I hope you enjoy your new bow my friend. Have a great day. Best regards
Hey! I was wondering what pull back weight (i think thats what its called) I should get for a 10-13 year old I want to get into archery but I don`t know witch one I should get.
I would start them out at 20 pound draw weight. Also it is not a bad idea to start adults that has never shot a bow at a low draw weight such as 20 - 25 pound draw weight. With a takedown bow like this you can always get the heavier draw weight limbs. I have the Samick Sage bows in 25,30,45 and 55 pound draw weight. That's 2 risers with 4 sets of limbs. They are very nice bows for the money. I hope this helps.
Cyber, I agree Dewayne. It's always best to start with a low draw weight and work up. It's not only better at helping them get the the basics down like form and release, but it's also a more enjoyable sport if you are not struggling with your bow just to be able to draw shoot it.
With a take down bow like the Sage having the option of interchangeable limb weights gives anyone a lot of room to grow into it the right way.
Thanks for watching the video. Have a great day my friend.
Dewayne, spot on with the comment. Thanks for watching. Have a great day my friend.
Ok thanks for the help!
@@ScottWinters you did a great job on your video I enjoyed it. It's nice to see and watch a well informed video such as this.
Maybe someday we will meet on the range or trails. Have a great day.
From where i can purchase ?? And price?
The Samick Sage can be purchased from different retailers. Amazon usually carries them in different draw weight options. I think 130 dollars is about the norm on price point. Best regards
You guys who review the sage always say the Samick sage is from heaven, what about the incredible stacking, don't you think a new shooter will have a harder time anchoring the shoulder blade when they run up against all that stacking.
I wouldn't actually say it's from heaven. Far from it, but for an entry level bow it's a solid shooter in my opinion. For anyone just getting into archery they really should start with a lower draw weight to build up strength, form and fundamentals.
I think a fair amount of bows, not all but some, on the market today have stacking to some degree. The video is my opinion of the bow, and not meant to be taken as gospel by any means. I appreciate you taking the time to comment. Have a great day my friend.
@@ScottWinters Fair enough.
I got this bow as my 1st non-compound (shot the Hoyt Charger before this one) bow. I still have it. Still love it, though my primary bow now is a Bearpaw Blackfoot longbow (such is how it's marketed. I think, technically, it is a flat bow rather than a longbow) I would NOT part with my Samick Sage.
I’m with you my friend. I can’t see me ever getting rid of mine either. Have a great evening. Best regards.
Time to go "sasquatchin'"
Lol. I'm down
don't much care for the samick sage
Thanks for commenting my friend. Everybody's likes and dislikes are varied. There are some things about it wish were different about it, but overall it works for me. Thanks again for watching and commenting. Have a great day!
Which bow do you prefer?