It’s not about “girl power.” It’s about dignity and consideration and is juxtapositioned against her brother’s lack of dignity and his inability to be considerate. Her actions, though risky, were calculated and ultimately save her life. While his brash, rash, and crass actions ultimately hurt and undermine his own cause.
It's about their struggles, also specifically as females in this world, and as females with someone like Daemon. It's literally that. Both can be correct. You are blind if you do not understand this.
The scene with Aemon and the coin. The first thing I thought was 'pay the ferryman'. A very old custom. People used to place a coin on each eye to pay Charon the ferryman to cross the river from the living to the realm of the dead. Loved it.
Rhaeneras guy won, not the other twin. But they cant prove certainty on their end. So falling on his sword wasnt because he was bleeding out, but rather it makes certain that no one can question that she is safe now. It was the honorable thing to do as his duty as a kingsguard.
No he kinslayed. Unforgivable sin in Westeros so he both did his duty and the worst thing he could do and would never redeem himself so he had no choice
@@MattyMadderzz Not when he's fulfilling his oath to protect his queen. If that were the case, every ruler would be a kinslayer every civil war there ever was. Crimes usually have conditions and exceptions, and when it comes to fulfilling his oath to a monarch that comes first. Codes of honor and chivalry are very important in feudal society.
@@MattyMadderzz If you are gonna analyze the subject matter you have to understand viewpoints that shape the society the writers draw inspiration from. I can't make myself clearer by repeating myself. I've given context and the logic behind why he killed himself, and kinslaying ain't it. Many kinslayer exist in asoiaf but they don't just off themselves either. It's more complicated especially when two Kingsguards stand to inherit nothing, which is the purpose of such a kinslayer law. So society may frown on it as a tragedy but hardly considered a kinslayer when they are fulfilling their oaths and nothing to gain.
@jaxonmanning3785 you might be surprised there are people who actually make a living overthinking. And it's not overthinking when you've got insight into feudal chivalry. George's works are pretty accurate in this regard despite being a fantasy setting.
Regarding Misaria: I think this episode is trying to play up Rhaeneras empathy and the contrast between the propaganda and the truth. Hence her sympathy for The White Worm. Also, I think Misaria's story helped Rhaenera see how valuble of an ally Misaria could be. Instead of making a dangerous enemy, she solidified a useful alliance. The scene is about more than just "girl power". Its showing Rhaeneras subtle strategy. IMO
She 'accidentally' solidified an alliance. She was going to just let her go free and never see her again. She only has an ally now because conveniently Mysaria returned to notify her of the twin. Lmao.
She can show sympathy to the white worm without letting her go free -- perhaps offering her a different life along side her as an ally instead of just being like "oh you're really valuable and maybe even dangerous but Daemon said he'd let you go and we bonded so I like you now, please go free now." -- it was done very awkwardly and seemingly to serve the plot rather than the characters. It makes Rhaenyra seem like she hasn't learned a single lesson on how to make the right, but tough, decisions.
I agree that it was rushed and seemingly nonsensical. The show might be trying to make a point of Misarias real ability to masterfully manipulate people and situations as well. She is a real player, with her own strengths. Weaseling out of shit is one if them. She's called the white Worm for a reason. I wish the show did a better job of portraying her.
Maybe the subtleties of strategy and complex plot lines are over your head. There's alot happening under the surface in this show. One of the main points in this tale is gender based power dynamics and politics. Reducing the Rhaenera/Misaria interactions as silly dumb girl stuff just shows how out of touch you are with the whole story. You TV only kids are missing alot, and your shitty attitude aboyt characters you dont understand is off-putting. I'm out bro. ✌️
@bigbadwulf i actually cried at the end of the episode when he was sobbing. I didn't really think up to this point that he was a good actor! My mind was changed in this episode. I thought he did a wicked fantastic job! It made me hate alicent that much more for how she treated helena and aegon in this episode!
Awesome video and breakdown/ analysis. I only recently found your channel and have been loving your content! i agree that the only issue i had was the mysaria and twins issue, abit contrived and "perfectly timed". but honestly, after seeing 3 different franchises i like become an absolute joke (SW Acolyte- HALO show- Dr Who) its actually refreshing to see good dialogue, great acting, great set design and nuance I.E actual talent from all involved in the production of HOTD, even with a few issues here and there. Keep up the awesome work and looking forward to your next video :)
I liked that Aegon called out "mom" for reason/help but Alicient agreed with Otto..... Also, i noticed that this show, even last season, isn't as "rated R" as GoT.
I heavily disagree, this was the strongest episode of house of the dragon so far; so many great scenes, dialogue and set-up, we will look back at this episode when the show is finished and point out so much foreshadowing and set-up for the payoffs and character development to come
@Stark-Cinema it's SUCH a minor detail dude it's not even remotely deep.. the fact that this hurt you so much that it took the episode from an 8.5 to a 7 blows my mind....
@@yylfordt6125 to me, poor character writing is something that affects scores for me. It affected the biggest event in the episode. Why is that not ok? lmao. Have a great day.
@@Stark-Cinema”contrivances” You think that because you’re being deceived just like the characters. It’s not contrived, it’s exactly as planned. Larry set it up that way. He burned her house down and forced her out of Kings Landing. Knowing the blockade stops everyone. Knowing she’d be captured by team black. Knowing she’d give Daemon the name of Cheese. Because Cheese is a hand picked staff member of Larry. It’s not contrivance. It’s exactly as Larry planned.
I loved when Rhaenys said ‘Mind Yourself’ because the way it’s shot, you almost don’t know who she’s talking to. But I think she was speaking to Rhaenyra. I also think they’re doing a great job of showing us that their written history is all wrong or exaggerated. They’ve been doing it since the first episode. I don’t think this will all end the way we think it will but we’ll see I guess 😅
Interesting! I definitely think she was speaking to the man accusing Rhaenyra of making a “hasty decision” in mourning. Rhaenys would not have the room to tell the Queen to “mind herself”.
The coin over the eye reminds me of how ancient royals were buried with coins or rocks with eyes 👁️ painted on them placed over their eyes to show wealth or resurrection in the afterlife. Maybe for shadowing both of his eyes being closed. 😵
I must be missing something. In the first scene, Deamon tries to get Rhayneis (god I can’t spell these names) to get Vagar and Aemond with him. He said to her “a son for a son.” His expression. Later, he goes to blood and cheese and pays them to kill Aemond. Two basic schmos to kill a renowned fighter. He even jokes with then about his abilities. They ask him what to do if they can’t get aemond. The scene cuts. Later, in Haelena’s room, Blood says, “he said a son for a son.” There are only three sons available- aegon, aemond, and jaharyes. So how can we say its up for interpretation? Daemon may think this gives him plausible deniability, but surely its clear Daemon understood the consequences and he chose violence anyway.
Blood and cheese could have said son for a son as if they’re justifying it in their own head “he said he wanted aemond which means a son for a son, this should do.” It’s still grey, but you could also be correct. There is no 100 percent evidence that Daemon actually said this himself no matter how you spin it.
I see it as two people in huge debts hence his question about debts and they just wanted to get paid after realizing they can’t find Aemond their argument would have been a son for a son and daemon didn’t specify imo
@@Stark-Cinema Blood actually said “HE SAID a son for a son.” Its not just matching terms (which would also be much too coincidental). He said he said it. And we heard him use the dame phrase. There are people in jail right now convicted on less evidence.
Larys is definitely on the traitor shortlist, a couple reasons why IMO he likely didn’t “inside job” this assassination •lack of (TBD) motive or what advantage anyone in royal families’ death up directly offers him • not sure what extent of his authority, but are we sure itincludes directing the movements of the kings’ guard unless explicitly authorized by the crown? • as smart as he is, thats pretty a lucky long shot. •I think more evidence is really the treacherous incompetent of Cole because he’s officially responsible for not only guarding the Queeens’ quarters, and he wasn’t because he kept his assignment to Alicant and I’m as head of the Guard, I’m convinced he left Queen unguarded bc that patrol would would easily see him entering and exiting the Old Queen’s qtrs every night.
Respectfully, I disagree. Larys has alot to gain if he can evoke blind rage in the greens actions. Alycia already told him she might have need of him if things turn wild, larys has full motivation to invoke that situation as soon as possible. I'm not sold on it being fact that he acted as an agent for this, but he definitely had motivation.
Larys has controll of all the servents, he vetted cheese, he knoes exactmy when and where who is, there was a maid that saw something of but did not allarm anyone, most likely because she was under his orders! When agon is screaming about the who, larys enters the room, no one aknowlages him, he says nothing but still the camera is and stays on him while aegon does high intensity acting for no one to see... .. He cant order the kingsguard, but he wpuld have noticed the lack of protection and chose not to point it out. He did not order the hit, but he enabled it. Like he explocitly got to vet every servent to orevent something like this and right after it happens anyways with someone he approved of as part of it. Then onstead of getting information out of blood he lets aehon kill him and prwvents anyone from finding cheese... He coveranthis up. Also just how fast he found blood imolied he was aware of his oresence beforhand
@@Twkd1988 I agree he is an agent of chaos,but I get the feeling he’s more intentional so I definitely agree with you….keeping Kings Landing vulnerable or exposed does create an opportunity for chaos for this sadistic agent. I just don’t see how he even indirectly had any hand in Blood and Cheese specifically who/what/when/where/how regarding the assassins and ultimate victim.
OK I think the thing that swayed Rhaenyra select this woman go who is wind she asked how did you get the scar on your neck? Because if you recall Damon had his hands around Raneri’s throat, so I have a feeling that I had more to do with her, letting her go than anything else.
Your nterpretations of the show were good. I think naming Cole as Hand sealed their Doom though. Cole doesn't know how to play the game of thrones in Cersie Lannisters's famous words to Ned Stark.
It's not ill conceived. By letting Mysaria go, she is able to inform the Queensguard, which paves the way for her to be Rhaenyra's Master of Whisperers. 43:04
That is literally the definition of "contrived" -- Mysaria was not let go so she could inform the queensguard, she was let go because Rhaenyra all the sudden was playing goodie-two-shoes and felt sorry for her. This made it extremely lucky that she noticed Aryk sneaking in. This is out of character for Rhaenrya to not keep a valuable asset within her reach as well. Poor move, "lucky" timing -- yes the writers wanted it to happen and made it happen, that does not mean it was good writing...
I don’t really think the show is positioning Larys as “part of this.” - Unrelated, I love how torn up Aegon was about the death of his son, when we know he’s got one or more bastard sons literally growing up in the fighting pits of Flea Bottom. 😂
It’s pretty obvious Larys is part of something with how involved he’s been… He replaced the entire staff at the keep and is now whispering directly in the kings ear. How can you look at that and say he’s not part of this?
@@Stark-Cinema hahahha yeah it was definitely a Scooby-Doo esc moment 😂 I do think it's HORRENDOUSLY dumb that the Blacks didn't even think to put some kind of branding / mark on his outfit or even change his cape. That was maybe the worst writing decision of that kerfuffle .
@@yylfordt6125 I see you've been interacting with my comments section a lot lately and I wanted to take a moment to say I appreciate people like you. Thanks for being one of the good ones here on youtube! I'm also sorry if I've responded in any sort of rash / harsh way in the past, I've been getting more annoyed with certain folks as of late but I do try to interact as much as possible. And yes -- dumb that no one on either side thought about distinguishing the twins at all LMAO
@Stark-Cinema hahaha no hard feelings.... if I'm most upset at anything it's that they completely ditched Maelor completely.. that was the first time so far I've been upset during the entire series 😂 that was GOD TIER writing on George to have Helaena choose her youngest son to die, just for Blood to swiftly slice off Jaehaerys' head instead 💀 I have faith that it will serve a purpose down the road, but I was shocked that they changed that scene completely.
@@yylfordt6125 I think they fumbled a bit by not introducing Maelor for real last season and they thought it would somehow be too confusing or something but yea it was a bit odd. Probably makes things simpler for them down the line but who knows...
I’m new to your channel, but did you hear the theory of Heleana (idk if I spelt that right) is a dream seer? I can share a link to a video I watched about it.
Wait you are very smart. He heard what they wanted to do to gain the people’s sympathy by the suggestion of Otto but Larys the creator of situational chaos for his gain saw another opportunity to create a new narrative that he will need to help solve in future seasons as the new HAND🤯🤯🤯
When I tried following the fight I was pretty sure team green's twin won. However before he falls on his sword he does say "forgive me your grace." I feel like team green's twin would adress Rhaenyra as your grace, so my take away is team blacks twin was the winner. Nope just went back and watched it, team green's twin wins. But he does call Rhaenyra your grace still so thats just confusing lol.
Actually Arryk won the fight. He cut Erryk on his right leg initially and stuck his fingers inside the cut to win the fight. Yes, I know Erryk also has a cut, but it is on his LEFT leg.
Ironrod. Jasper Wylde is his real name. He's known to have a stiff member (which is kinda Wylde) because he has like 30 children to 4 different women. That's the unofficial, yet real, reason for his nickname. His last wife dies of exhaustion. Also, he's the new master of laws, appointed by Visarys after Lionel and Harlan Strong were killed. He's also a big stickler for the law. Which is the open, accepted reason for his nickname. House Wylde is in the Stormlands, loyal to House Baratheon.
"Had to show it on screen". No, you didn't, another channel blurred it, you chose to show it. Also it's truly amazing to me how hot the younger Queen was, compared to the grandma-lookin older version in her 30's that apparently decided to renounce all sex after becoming an adult
you missed my point entirely I see. Just because you set something up, it doesn't make it good writing. They set it up using extremely convenient timing and a character decision that made almost no sense. It's ok if you don't see it that way, but go back and listen carefully to what I actually say if you want to truly understand. Cheers my friend!
I think he is saying it's poorly crafted. Rhaeneera just so happens to let her go and immediately she runs into the assassin on her way out. It was too perfectly engineered to make sense. If there was another way to make it happen it should have been considered. For example a spy from kings landing gets off the ship to report to the blacks sees a Queens guard and starts to make a report to him. The spy master on her way notices the conversation looks to see whom it is and bam. There needed to be some action in order to setup the chance meeting. But it was done too conveniently.
But what does letting Mysaria go say about Rhaenyra's character? Especially after just seeing herself in Mysaria. Obviously nobody is going to change the Kingsguard uniform because it is a symbol of legitimacy, and of course nobody should suspect a Kingsguard infiltration because it is a true wild card move.
So the team who makes wild card moves should not expect wild card moves from the other team who took the crown via a wildcard move... Hmm. Seems like an excuse for the writing. Also, it shows the political naivety for Rhaenyra to let a valuable asset go (she clamed this herself) just because Daemon said so and she felt empathy. Empathy is not always the right path for a ruler in the time of war. There are alternative ways for Rhaenyra to show empathy towards Mysaria without letting her go free, but none were even explored. It's not a PURELY unmotivated choice; but it becomes obvious that the choice was made MORE for a convenience in the plot rather than a smart character choice -- as Mysaria is the sole reason why Aryk becomes discovered when she conveniently notices him as she conveniently walks down the path at the same exact time as he is coming up. It is all way too contrived for MY taste, and I hope you can see that, even if you don't all the way agree. Also, why does SLIHGTLY altering a uniform (IE - adding a symbol or SOMETHING SMALL) mean that they are no longer respecting the royal identity? That is a weak argument in my eyes as well.. I understand the sentiment, but it's not all the way logical.
@@AzkuulaKtaktu It's not too far out of question for them to think of this. they even say let's double our guard and then they don't even double the guard.... Not sure why being human has to mean you're completely idiotic and hypocritical. These aren't hard things to think of...
@@Stark-Cinema double the guard doesn't mean double the kingsguard, of which they have only 3. Otto, the most logical character in the show thinks it's a silly idea. As a viewer it can be easy to evaluate the show as if it was a strategy game with right and wrong moves, but it's a story about people. Most people wouldn't expect the kingsguard who "are sworn to serve forthrightly" to do such dirty deeds.
No, he would have done it so there's no question about her safety. They can't prove if it's him or not so there would be a lingering question on who won. As a Kings Guard her safety is paramount, that's why he self harmed so there's no doubt.
@@Stark-Cinema my brother be blessed you rolled the genetic lottery for hair then especially if you don't even know what finasteride or dutasteride are!! they are just medication to halt and or reverse hairloss in men.
Imagine one bro tells another a story about his, say, crazy baby momma... I've seen men bond over as little as that... Powerful men doing big things... why isn't it so easy to believe that she hears an EXACT tale of her man treating someone like her AND sees the badass way she is handling the betrayal and respects that enough to do the other woman a solid? It's only farfetched when it's women, eh?!
It would have been stupid for daemon to do the same thing. Do NOT put words that I never said, in my mouth. Yes, I mentioned that they are bonding over female stuff. That is literally in the script. BUT -- I never said it is BAD just BECAUSE it is female stuff. You are twisting my words to make me seem like a bigot. Stop it, thanks.
I said it was a poor choice for her character to all the sudden let this VALUABLE asset (she even says this herself) go in the midst of war time. The writers only did this so they could conveniently have her notice the twin! It's the definition of contrived character choices so that the plot can happen perfectly. If you can't understand, that's ok.
‼️SPOILER ALERT ‼️ DO NOT READ IF YOU CARE ABOUT WHAT IM ABOUT TO COMMENT‼️ Hugh Hammer, is in fact a Targaryen. He is a bastard. He is a flip flopper though. BUT he does bond Verimathor. Unfortunately he betrays both sides. In the book he betrays Rhaenyra going over to team green. But the show looks like they going a different route. I’m excited to see what they are gonna go with him. Hugh Hammer is a fucking pos though. I do not like him. Lol And, it’s Confirmed that team black’s twin actually wins. And then falls on his sword. But he says “your Grace” which team greens team wouldn’t say. He also asks for forgiveness which team greens twin would never do.
But also if we’re going to go that technical he could be a man of GREATNESS, in certain regards. Great can be a very vague word without context. A man of great stature. A man of great power. A man of great cunning. A man of great position. A man of great intelligence. But like I said, it was a joke.
Oh, beside that pojnt I greatly alriciated the joke cause he very much had a point, towords joffrey, towords dany, towords aegon and plaon in generell, true authority does not need any mention and screing you are the king/queen just has you appear like a toddler thowing a tantrum.
The elephant in the room was Alicent saying…”about what you seen last night”, talking about seeing her and Cole.
And the response, essentially “Are you kidding? Who cares. My son is *dead*.”
It’s not about “girl power.”
It’s about dignity and consideration and is juxtapositioned against her brother’s lack of dignity and his inability to be considerate.
Her actions, though risky, were calculated and ultimately save her life. While his brash, rash, and crass actions ultimately hurt and undermine his own cause.
It's about their struggles, also specifically as females in this world, and as females with someone like Daemon. It's literally that. Both can be correct. You are blind if you do not understand this.
btw the girl power thing is not good or bad its just a dumb word I used. You can interpret it as negative if you want, but that's not how I meant it.
The scene with Aemon and the coin. The first thing I thought was 'pay the ferryman'. A very old custom. People used to place a coin on each eye to pay Charon the ferryman to cross the river from the living to the realm of the dead. Loved it.
Larys Strong and Little-finger both use chaos as a ladder
Tyrion uses it as a step stool.
😂😂😂😂@@jobobtargaryen1258
And both are total creeps
Rhaeneras guy won, not the other twin. But they cant prove certainty on their end. So falling on his sword wasnt because he was bleeding out, but rather it makes certain that no one can question that she is safe now. It was the honorable thing to do as his duty as a kingsguard.
No he kinslayed. Unforgivable sin in Westeros so he both did his duty and the worst thing he could do and would never redeem himself so he had no choice
@@MattyMadderzz Not when he's fulfilling his oath to protect his queen. If that were the case, every ruler would be a kinslayer every civil war there ever was. Crimes usually have conditions and exceptions, and when it comes to fulfilling his oath to a monarch that comes first. Codes of honor and chivalry are very important in feudal society.
@@ChairmanMeowzah it’s literally why he killed himself..
@@MattyMadderzz If you are gonna analyze the subject matter you have to understand viewpoints that shape the society the writers draw inspiration from. I can't make myself clearer by repeating myself. I've given context and the logic behind why he killed himself, and kinslaying ain't it. Many kinslayer exist in asoiaf but they don't just off themselves either. It's more complicated especially when two Kingsguards stand to inherit nothing, which is the purpose of such a kinslayer law. So society may frown on it as a tragedy but hardly considered a kinslayer when they are fulfilling their oaths and nothing to gain.
@jaxonmanning3785 you might be surprised there are people who actually make a living overthinking. And it's not overthinking when you've got insight into feudal chivalry. George's works are pretty accurate in this regard despite being a fantasy setting.
Regarding Misaria: I think this episode is trying to play up Rhaeneras empathy and the contrast between the propaganda and the truth. Hence her sympathy for The White Worm. Also, I think Misaria's story helped Rhaenera see how valuble of an ally Misaria could be. Instead of making a dangerous enemy, she solidified a useful alliance. The scene is about more than just "girl power". Its showing Rhaeneras subtle strategy. IMO
She 'accidentally' solidified an alliance. She was going to just let her go free and never see her again. She only has an ally now because conveniently Mysaria returned to notify her of the twin. Lmao.
She can show sympathy to the white worm without letting her go free -- perhaps offering her a different life along side her as an ally instead of just being like "oh you're really valuable and maybe even dangerous but Daemon said he'd let you go and we bonded so I like you now, please go free now." -- it was done very awkwardly and seemingly to serve the plot rather than the characters. It makes Rhaenyra seem like she hasn't learned a single lesson on how to make the right, but tough, decisions.
I agree that it was rushed and seemingly nonsensical. The show might be trying to make a point of Misarias real ability to masterfully manipulate people and situations as well. She is a real player, with her own strengths. Weaseling out of shit is one if them. She's called the white Worm for a reason. I wish the show did a better job of portraying her.
Maybe the subtleties of strategy and complex plot lines are over your head. There's alot happening under the surface in this show. One of the main points in this tale is gender based power dynamics and politics. Reducing the Rhaenera/Misaria interactions as silly dumb girl stuff just shows how out of touch you are with the whole story. You TV only kids are missing alot, and your shitty attitude aboyt characters you dont understand is off-putting. I'm out bro. ✌️
Larys literally has a leg up on the competition lol😂
He’s a foot ahead…
He deserves a standing ovation
He's capable of great feets of strong(ness)
I also bought the acting done in this episode especially the rage and shame. It was done wonderfully.
@bigbadwulf i actually cried at the end of the episode when he was sobbing. I didn't really think up to this point that he was a good actor! My mind was changed in this episode. I thought he did a wicked fantastic job! It made me hate alicent that much more for how she treated helena and aegon in this episode!
I'm grateful for such amazing performances we've gotten so far, and I have faith the rest of the season will be much, and more!
Awesome video and breakdown/ analysis. I only recently found your channel and have been loving your content! i agree that the only issue i had was the mysaria and twins issue, abit contrived and "perfectly timed". but honestly, after seeing 3 different franchises i like become an absolute joke (SW Acolyte- HALO show- Dr Who) its actually refreshing to see good dialogue, great acting, great set design and nuance I.E actual talent from all involved in the production of HOTD, even with a few issues here and there. Keep up the awesome work and looking forward to your next video :)
Made my day, been getting more haters lately so it's nice to see a balance lmaooo
I liked that Aegon called out "mom" for reason/help but Alicient agreed with Otto..... Also, i noticed that this show, even last season, isn't as "rated R" as GoT.
A guy gets his hog chopped off in like the first 15 minutes and we see full uncensored bloody dong
I heavily disagree, this was the strongest episode of house of the dragon so far; so many great scenes, dialogue and set-up, we will look back at this episode when the show is finished and point out so much foreshadowing and set-up for the payoffs and character development to come
It was for me too until the contrivances w/ Mysaria but your points are strong!
@Stark-Cinema it's SUCH a minor detail dude it's not even remotely deep.. the fact that this hurt you so much that it took the episode from an 8.5 to a 7 blows my mind....
@@yylfordt6125 huh? It didn't HURT me? It's just an opinion?
@@yylfordt6125 to me, poor character writing is something that affects scores for me. It affected the biggest event in the episode. Why is that not ok? lmao. Have a great day.
@@Stark-Cinema”contrivances”
You think that because you’re being deceived just like the characters. It’s not contrived, it’s exactly as planned. Larry set it up that way. He burned her house down and forced her out of Kings Landing. Knowing the blockade stops everyone. Knowing she’d be captured by team black. Knowing she’d give Daemon the name of Cheese. Because Cheese is a hand picked staff member of Larry.
It’s not contrivance. It’s exactly as Larry planned.
I loved when Rhaenys said ‘Mind Yourself’ because the way it’s shot, you almost don’t know who she’s talking to. But I think she was speaking to Rhaenyra.
I also think they’re doing a great job of showing us that their written history is all wrong or exaggerated. They’ve been doing it since the first episode. I don’t think this will all end the way we think it will but we’ll see I guess 😅
Interesting! I definitely think she was speaking to the man accusing Rhaenyra of making a “hasty decision” in mourning. Rhaenys would not have the room to tell the Queen to “mind herself”.
The coin over the eye reminds me of how ancient royals were buried with coins or rocks with eyes 👁️ painted on them placed over their eyes to show wealth or resurrection in the afterlife. Maybe for shadowing both of his eyes being closed. 😵
I must be missing something. In the first scene, Deamon tries to get Rhayneis (god I can’t spell these names) to get Vagar and Aemond with him. He said to her “a son for a son.” His expression. Later, he goes to blood and cheese and pays them to kill Aemond. Two basic schmos to kill a renowned fighter. He even jokes with then about his abilities. They ask him what to do if they can’t get aemond. The scene cuts. Later, in Haelena’s room, Blood says, “he said a son for a son.” There are only three sons available- aegon, aemond, and jaharyes. So how can we say its up for interpretation? Daemon may think this gives him plausible deniability, but surely its clear Daemon understood the consequences and he chose violence anyway.
Blood and cheese could have said son for a son as if they’re justifying it in their own head “he said he wanted aemond which means a son for a son, this should do.”
It’s still grey, but you could also be correct. There is no 100 percent evidence that Daemon actually said this himself no matter how you spin it.
I see it as two people in huge debts hence his question about debts and they just wanted to get paid after realizing they can’t find Aemond their argument would have been a son for a son and daemon didn’t specify imo
@@Vmag21 but Blood said “HE SAID a son for a son” its also not normal language that is easily repeated with no coincidence.
@@Stark-Cinema Blood actually said “HE SAID a son for a son.” Its not just matching terms (which would also be much too coincidental). He said he said it. And we heard him use the dame phrase. There are people in jail right now convicted on less evidence.
You’re tripping this is probably the best hotd episode yet.
I explained myself pretty well
All the non caring acts from this family on both sides Geesch -Royal Trauma ain’t a joke!!! 😂
It ain’t no joke for sure 👏
Like littlefinger he will climb too high and be destroyed.
Yep! The men who held that position come to bad ends!
Larys is definitely on the traitor shortlist, a couple reasons why IMO he likely didn’t “inside job” this assassination
•lack of (TBD) motive or what advantage anyone in royal families’ death up directly offers him
• not sure what extent of his authority, but are we sure itincludes directing the movements of the kings’ guard unless explicitly authorized by the crown?
• as smart as he is, thats pretty a lucky long shot.
•I think more evidence is really the treacherous incompetent of Cole because he’s officially responsible for not only guarding the Queeens’ quarters, and he wasn’t because he kept his assignment to Alicant and I’m as head of the Guard, I’m convinced he left Queen unguarded bc that patrol would would easily see him entering and exiting the Old Queen’s qtrs every night.
If the king gets drunk and Criston can’t be found I could see Larys finding a way to maneuver people but you could be right
Respectfully, I disagree.
Larys has alot to gain if he can evoke blind rage in the greens actions. Alycia already told him she might have need of him if things turn wild, larys has full motivation to invoke that situation as soon as possible.
I'm not sold on it being fact that he acted as an agent for this, but he definitely had motivation.
Larys has controll of all the servents, he vetted cheese, he knoes exactmy when and where who is, there was a maid that saw something of but did not allarm anyone, most likely because she was under his orders! When agon is screaming about the who, larys enters the room, no one aknowlages him, he says nothing but still the camera is and stays on him while aegon does high intensity acting for no one to see... ..
He cant order the kingsguard, but he wpuld have noticed the lack of protection and chose not to point it out. He did not order the hit, but he enabled it. Like he explocitly got to vet every servent to orevent something like this and right after it happens anyways with someone he approved of as part of it.
Then onstead of getting information out of blood he lets aehon kill him and prwvents anyone from finding cheese... He coveranthis up. Also just how fast he found blood imolied he was aware of his oresence beforhand
@@Twkd1988 I agree he is an agent of chaos,but I get the feeling he’s more intentional so I definitely agree with you….keeping Kings Landing vulnerable or exposed does create an opportunity for chaos for this sadistic agent. I just don’t see how he even indirectly had any hand in Blood and Cheese specifically who/what/when/where/how regarding the assassins and ultimate victim.
I could’ve sworn they caught cheese . He looked as if he was hanging with the other catchers
They did -- I even showed this and mentioned it... They caught him 'on accident' because they hung everyone who was a rat catcher.
But not explicitly they could not question him etc
OK I think the thing that swayed Rhaenyra select this woman go who is wind she asked how did you get the scar on your neck? Because if you recall Damon had his hands around Raneri’s throat, so I have a feeling that I had more to do with her, letting her go than anything else.
This is true but it's still a stupid thing to do for her in this time of war with a very important piece / asset as she even states herself
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Your nterpretations of the show were good. I think naming Cole as Hand sealed their Doom though. Cole doesn't know how to play the game of thrones in Cersie Lannisters's famous words to Ned Stark.
Yea the cole hand thing has tossed a wild card in and not for the best
@@Stark-Cinema Exactly. Someone like Clubfoot would fit that role but probably usurp the throne. 😂
The isony that cercei does not either though.... And yeah, sir chrispy has absolutely zero buisness advising anyone
I disagree I think it’s showing that with rhanyera being a just ruler and letting Masarya go she in turn saved her own life.
She saves her own life completely on accident lmao
It's not ill conceived. By letting Mysaria go, she is able to inform the Queensguard, which paves the way for her to be Rhaenyra's Master of Whisperers. 43:04
That is literally the definition of "contrived" -- Mysaria was not let go so she could inform the queensguard, she was let go because Rhaenyra all the sudden was playing goodie-two-shoes and felt sorry for her. This made it extremely lucky that she noticed Aryk sneaking in. This is out of character for Rhaenrya to not keep a valuable asset within her reach as well. Poor move, "lucky" timing -- yes the writers wanted it to happen and made it happen, that does not mean it was good writing...
I don’t really think the show is positioning Larys as “part of this.” - Unrelated, I love how torn up Aegon was about the death of his son, when we know he’s got one or more bastard sons literally growing up in the fighting pits of Flea Bottom. 😂
It’s pretty obvious Larys is part of something with how involved he’s been… He replaced the entire staff at the keep and is now whispering directly in the kings ear. How can you look at that and say he’s not part of this?
The easiest way to differentiate the twins is with the "A" ~ Arryck is on Alicent's side 🤘🏼
Yes but they don’t have their names tattooed on them during the fight haha
@@Stark-Cinema hahahha yeah it was definitely a Scooby-Doo esc moment 😂 I do think it's HORRENDOUSLY dumb that the Blacks didn't even think to put some kind of branding / mark on his outfit or even change his cape. That was maybe the worst writing decision of that kerfuffle .
@@yylfordt6125 I see you've been interacting with my comments section a lot lately and I wanted to take a moment to say I appreciate people like you. Thanks for being one of the good ones here on youtube! I'm also sorry if I've responded in any sort of rash / harsh way in the past, I've been getting more annoyed with certain folks as of late but I do try to interact as much as possible.
And yes -- dumb that no one on either side thought about distinguishing the twins at all LMAO
@Stark-Cinema hahaha no hard feelings.... if I'm most upset at anything it's that they completely ditched Maelor completely.. that was the first time so far I've been upset during the entire series 😂 that was GOD TIER writing on George to have Helaena choose her youngest son to die, just for Blood to swiftly slice off Jaehaerys' head instead 💀 I have faith that it will serve a purpose down the road, but I was shocked that they changed that scene completely.
@@yylfordt6125 I think they fumbled a bit by not introducing Maelor for real last season and they thought it would somehow be too confusing or something but yea it was a bit odd. Probably makes things simpler for them down the line but who knows...
I about died when he asked about where christon cole was and he said he was a bed. What are you didn’t say what he was a bed with your mom lol.
Yoooooo 😂😂😂😂 homie got me dying wen u Said Aemond got the body of Voldemort 💀
I’m new to your channel, but did you hear the theory of Heleana (idk if I spelt that right) is a dream seer? I can share a link to a video I watched about it.
Yes!! I didn't really put that in this vid but have mentioned it in the previous one I think
You might just be right about larys and that point about not investing in the rat catcher was def intentional.
Wait you are very smart. He heard what they wanted to do to gain the people’s sympathy by the suggestion of Otto but Larys the creator of situational chaos for his gain saw another opportunity to create a new narrative that he will need to help solve in future seasons as the new HAND🤯🤯🤯
When I tried following the fight I was pretty sure team green's twin won. However before he falls on his sword he does say "forgive me your grace." I feel like team green's twin would adress Rhaenyra as your grace, so my take away is team blacks twin was the winner.
Nope just went back and watched it, team green's twin wins. But he does call Rhaenyra your grace still so thats just confusing lol.
The twins both once called her this and in the end of their lives they will default to using the most honorable terms
Big spoiler :
If I remember the books right, he even initiated Aegons death in the end of the dance
It’s eerie that you sound a bit like Ben Shapiro 😂 but I love your channel man! Subscribed! Great analysis.
Dare you to compare me side by side -- his voice is way higher and faster...
The guards were with the king that’s why they were no guards protecting the rooms
... The guard is not ment to all be with him though, lrotecting his heir is just as mich of their duty, they should have beem guarded
Actually Arryk won the fight. He cut Erryk on his right leg initially and stuck his fingers inside the cut to win the fight. Yes, I know Erryk also has a cut, but it is on his LEFT leg.
So I was actually right???
@@Stark-Cinema Yes sir. I watched the scene multiple times to confirm.
Ironrod. Jasper Wylde is his real name. He's known to have a stiff member (which is kinda Wylde) because he has like 30 children to 4 different women. That's the unofficial, yet real, reason for his nickname. His last wife dies of exhaustion. Also, he's the new master of laws, appointed by Visarys after Lionel and Harlan Strong were killed. He's also a big stickler for the law. Which is the open, accepted reason for his nickname. House Wylde is in the Stormlands, loyal to House Baratheon.
I know his real name I just thought the nick name was funny that's all! Lmao. But also nice insight with the comment, appreciate it!
"Had to show it on screen". No, you didn't, another channel blurred it, you chose to show it. Also it's truly amazing to me how hot the younger Queen was, compared to the grandma-lookin older version in her 30's that apparently decided to renounce all sex after becoming an adult
lmao it was silly semantics -- I wanted to show it but still felt sorry about it. It's not too deep...
If they set up a plot how is that bad writing?
you missed my point entirely I see. Just because you set something up, it doesn't make it good writing. They set it up using extremely convenient timing and a character decision that made almost no sense. It's ok if you don't see it that way, but go back and listen carefully to what I actually say if you want to truly understand. Cheers my friend!
I think he is saying it's poorly crafted. Rhaeneera just so happens to let her go and immediately she runs into the assassin on her way out. It was too perfectly engineered to make sense. If there was another way to make it happen it should have been considered. For example a spy from kings landing gets off the ship to report to the blacks sees a Queens guard and starts to make a report to him. The spy master on her way notices the conversation looks to see whom it is and bam. There needed to be some action in order to setup the chance meeting. But it was done too conveniently.
But what does letting Mysaria go say about Rhaenyra's character? Especially after just seeing herself in Mysaria.
Obviously nobody is going to change the Kingsguard uniform because it is a symbol of legitimacy, and of course nobody should suspect a Kingsguard infiltration because it is a true wild card move.
So the team who makes wild card moves should not expect wild card moves from the other team who took the crown via a wildcard move... Hmm. Seems like an excuse for the writing. Also, it shows the political naivety for Rhaenyra to let a valuable asset go (she clamed this herself) just because Daemon said so and she felt empathy. Empathy is not always the right path for a ruler in the time of war. There are alternative ways for Rhaenyra to show empathy towards Mysaria without letting her go free, but none were even explored.
It's not a PURELY unmotivated choice; but it becomes obvious that the choice was made MORE for a convenience in the plot rather than a smart character choice -- as Mysaria is the sole reason why Aryk becomes discovered when she conveniently notices him as she conveniently walks down the path at the same exact time as he is coming up. It is all way too contrived for MY taste, and I hope you can see that, even if you don't all the way agree.
Also, why does SLIHGTLY altering a uniform (IE - adding a symbol or SOMETHING SMALL) mean that they are no longer respecting the royal identity? That is a weak argument in my eyes as well.. I understand the sentiment, but it's not all the way logical.
Why you expecting the characters to be all the way logical? They're people.
Using bodyguards as assassins is left field.
@@AzkuulaKtaktu It's not too far out of question for them to think of this. they even say let's double our guard and then they don't even double the guard.... Not sure why being human has to mean you're completely idiotic and hypocritical. These aren't hard things to think of...
@@Stark-Cinema double the guard doesn't mean double the kingsguard, of which they have only 3. Otto, the most logical character in the show thinks it's a silly idea. As a viewer it can be easy to evaluate the show as if it was a strategy game with right and wrong moves, but it's a story about people. Most people wouldn't expect the kingsguard who "are sworn to serve forthrightly" to do such dirty deeds.
Great video!
No. Rhaenyra’s soldier won. When he was going to die he said “your grace”. He wouldn’t have done that if he didnt Think she was the legitimate ruler.
No, he would have done it so there's no question about her safety. They can't prove if it's him or not so there would be a lingering question on who won. As a Kings Guard her safety is paramount, that's why he self harmed so there's no doubt.
@@ChairmanMeowzah oh sorry. A “didnt” was missing. I corrected it now.
@@Lesartsenciel the powerful impact of one word lol. Typos are my bane lol
I’ve heard both sides - and good arguments for both, but I care not to argue so thanks for the comment my friend
how do you have a child's hairline? grats brother on holding that down even past 18 for most guys is impressive! You on fin or dut?
I'm on caffeine and water idk what those other things are
@@Stark-Cinema my brother be blessed you rolled the genetic lottery for hair then especially if you don't even know what finasteride or dutasteride are!! they are just medication to halt and or reverse hairloss in men.
He’s a plotter, a schemer? What are you, the Joker now?
huh?
Imagine one bro tells another a story about his, say, crazy baby momma... I've seen men bond over as little as that... Powerful men doing big things... why isn't it so easy to believe that she hears an EXACT tale of her man treating someone like her AND sees the badass way she is handling the betrayal and respects that enough to do the other woman a solid? It's only farfetched when it's women, eh?!
It would have been stupid for daemon to do the same thing. Do NOT put words that I never said, in my mouth. Yes, I mentioned that they are bonding over female stuff. That is literally in the script. BUT -- I never said it is BAD just BECAUSE it is female stuff. You are twisting my words to make me seem like a bigot. Stop it, thanks.
I said it was a poor choice for her character to all the sudden let this VALUABLE asset (she even says this herself) go in the midst of war time. The writers only did this so they could conveniently have her notice the twin! It's the definition of contrived character choices so that the plot can happen perfectly. If you can't understand, that's ok.
The game is afoot.
LMAOOOO
So you know all about Adam & Alan because you've read the book ?... but you also don't know about Hugh because you haven't read this book ?...
Have you heard of the internet ?
It’s this new thing where sometimes you discover certain bits of information from other beings called humans
@Stark-Cinema tbh I haven't read the book 😂 I've watched / listened to like 80+ hours of Alt Shift X & other channels
It’s LAIR-IS, wtf is this Laries you keep saying?
Based on Greek word pronunciation. Since that’s a heavy influence on a lot of names in the books. Lawr-ees
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Hugh Hammer, is in fact a Targaryen. He is a bastard. He is a flip flopper though. BUT he does bond Verimathor. Unfortunately he betrays both sides. In the book he betrays Rhaenyra going over to team green. But the show looks like they going a different route. I’m excited to see what they are gonna go with him. Hugh Hammer is a fucking pos though. I do not like him. Lol
And, it’s Confirmed that team black’s twin actually wins. And then falls on his sword. But he says “your Grace” which team greens team wouldn’t say. He also asks for forgiveness which team greens twin would never do.
Calling tywin a great man worries me
... Like a smart men, an intelligent man, sure, but he was not great
It’s just a stupid joke I made lmao.
But also if we’re going to go that technical he could be a man of GREATNESS, in certain regards. Great can be a very vague word without context. A man of great stature. A man of great power. A man of great cunning. A man of great position. A man of great intelligence.
But like I said, it was a joke.
Oh, beside that pojnt I greatly alriciated the joke cause he very much had a point, towords joffrey, towords dany, towords aegon and plaon in generell, true authority does not need any mention and screing you are the king/queen just has you appear like a toddler thowing a tantrum.
I like your breakdown and your sense of humor but you do entirely too much talking in between
Thanks!
I disagree but I appreciate it