Hotd is for a very frustrating show but I broadly like and think positives outweigh negatives…it is NOWHERE NEAR got season 7. That season was horrendous
People talk about the bad plot points and awful characterization, but there's also just the complete lack of creativity in the last few seasons. You have characters that are assassins, magic users and have dragons but D&D barely have them do anything.
The importance of the food supply in Westeros is frequently referenced in the books; it’s the main reason Tywin seeks an alliance with House Tyrell. Having Dany destroy the Lannister supply train instead of their soldiers is blatant incompetence, and it’s made even worse when she offers the defeated troops to join her army. You just burned all their food and now you want MORE mouths to feed???
Yea that's why she was pissed off in the first place cause she had no more food to feed her troops. She go on the attack and she burns the food! lol Maybe D & D really want to put the point across that she was dumb.
You've come a long way since the Abandoned Plot Lines video that I first saw of you. Great to see how good you've become at making videos. Not just the writing but also the editing for the humor.
Yep, felt like 8 episodes with the last two missing (exactly what we got). I have no idea why we're going back to the shorter season formula, it just doesn't work.
It didn't make any sense, Alicent, Rhaenyra, Aemond, Daemon, Helaena and others didn't make sense. It is as bad as season 5/6 at best and has some scenes that are season 8 worthy like Alicent trying to sell out all her male family members to the people who killed her grandson in exchange for her daughter and grandaughter to become hostages of those very same people.
HOTD season 2 was just bad, as well. People will lie and tell you it was just missing the final two episodes and nothing more, but no, it was just bad television.
HOTD for me is a lame duck. GOT was special because of all the intrigue and dialogue of the early seasons. The deterioration of the show roughly coincides with the increased screen time the dragons were given. For me HOTD is basically just the dragon stuff turned up to eleven. Its almost like they don't bother with the dialogue in HOTD because they are relying too much on the dragons being the main draw. The dragons are carrying way too much of the show, the dialogue is weak, and if you take them away this show would have little to offer.
@@hnnsyi mean, the premise of the show itself just isnt nearly as interesting as the main series. The span of characters, area, points of action and consequence are pitiful compared to even like the first two episodes of game of thrones. I want to like it but ive never seen a more drawn out show where the only drama seems manufactured on convenience and happenstance rather than action and consequence.
Well, it made me angry while watching it. Also, why is 2 of the worst season of TV ever made the barometer for HOTD S2? Just because it's not S7 or S8 level doesn't mean it's not bad, it is.
5 years later and we still getting content dunking on Game of Thrones and I love it lmao. God i wish we could go back and fix how GOT was handled to this day.
@@shannonceleste5557 A lot of the writing mistakes can be traced back to decisions they made when making season 2, that's when they first started to deviate from the books a lot. They papered over the cracks though for the next couple of seasons and they show maintained its quality because they kept most of the major moments from the books, but after S4 it began to unravel.
Tyrion creating the worst battle plan in histroy just to nerf daenerys so cersei even has a chance will always be insane. In the span of 3 episodes daenerys loses the dornish alliance, highgarden, and most of yara's fleet
Arya has Batman level plot armor at this point of the story screw dragons imagine if other characters learned The Faceless Men techniques their armies would be near unstoppable😭
Arya doesn't has Batman Plot armour because Batman does not have plot armour. There are reasons and explanation always given in the Batman Comic Books With Every Batman Feat at the most no rules are broken that fiction storyline that are established and are made in that fiction atleast. Arya does feel more like live-action Gotham's Batman or live-actin The Dark Knight Trilogy s Batman only a Little training and some unknown place visit that's all.
@@2301WAYNE All the reasons and explanations given in any Batman story IS plot armour. Its so overdone that plot armour is now one of Batman's superpowers lmao.
@@exploringwithkristen8065 While Batman like any other fictional character has instances where he does indeed have plot armor or PIS feats, it is not as often as people like to think. Most cases of Batman having these showings are taken out of context due to lack of knowledge or for the sake of proving a point. In actuality, Batman doesn’t have that many showings of PIS in modern day comics. Again, he does sometimes but not as often as people like to say he does.
It’s pretty clear in the books that Sandor Clegaine ends up living at a secluded community of holy men, so I felt that the show was making a nod to that.
The thing that really annoyed me is that D&D turned Sansa & Arya into CERSEI LANNISTER, and they did this without even realizing it or seeing the irony. For instance, Cersei was awful to Sansa when she was a child, putting the girl through torture, when Sansa’s only sin was being Ned Stark’s daughter. Then, in this season, Sansa says that Ned Umber & Alys Karstark, who were both children, should be punished based on what their FATHERS did. As for Arya… she killed off all those people under Frey for payback which is exactly something CERSEI would’ve done like when she blew up the Sept. D&D saw those scenes as “girl boss” moments when it actually revealed to me that Sansa & Arya are psychopaths. CERSEI WOULD’VE BEEN SO PROUD OF THESE LITTLE MONSTERS!
Yeah because you can tell DD had their heads messed up regarding current day politics and injected that into the story making beloved characters insufferable, cringey, morons and made other characters pathetic, crazy and stupid.
@macflod do you care to elaborate? Idk what politics have to do with D&D getting lazy and letting insecurities about their storytelling abilities take over any semblance of intrigue and logic in the story
Audiences saying HOTD S2 was as bad as S7 & 8 need to watch this video. Let's not forget, D&D were given unlimited resources by HBO but actively chose to finish it all in 13 episodes. HOTD so far has been hindered by COVID and a writers strike and it STILL turned out a thousand times better than GOTs last two seasons.
Don't forget HOTD also went through Zaslavs whack ass budget cuts forcing the show to be cut down to 8 episodes weeks before production began, too little time to rewrite and restructure the season
Shouldn’t have Danny’s 3 dragons refused to fly past the wall just like Vermithor and Silverwing? Granted FandB haven’t been written but knowing GRRM he already had that in mind
A) Having Daario, Grey Work, and Arya infiltrate King’s Landing would’ve been incredible B) Having NK/Euron kill Dany leaving Jon with Rhaegal and having him become the mad Targaryan would’ve been incredible. First life Stark, second life Targaryan-the song of ice and fire
Ehh.. there was absolutely nothing to show that Jon would ever be anything other than honorable. I don't see a Mad King run for him going any better than Danys heel turn
@@stephengrigg5988they would have had to change Jon’s personality after his resurrection to make it work - like he comes back but he’s not the same anymore and it becomes more apparent with each episode.
1:00 It's not even that, GOT forgot the Lannisters gave Riverrun to the Freys. In the book, Tywin's sister, Genna, is married to Emmon Frey and the have 4 sons, one of them being sir Cleos Frey, whom we met in season 2. Emmon Frey holds Riverrun currently.
To be fair to Eminem Frey he didn’t have anything to do with the red wedding and never betrayed the starks,he fought for the lannisters, the whole war.
The end reveal that they did all that and failed, lost a dragon and ensured the walls destruction, all to capture a Wight, a thing that cannot cross the magical wall anyway and then take it hundreds miles south to try impress another character that didn't even care
@@mickieg1994 when they easily could have forced the Lannisters to surrender in a day, overthrow Cersei and then conscript what is left of the Lannister army to join their fight in the North.
@masterplokoon8803 that's actually pretty much what I would of thought would go down, with arya basically being a God of death to any human, cersei shouldn't really have posed that much of a problem. Feel like they could of drawn it out by trying to strong arm cersei into supporting them, would have been fun to watch
@@mickieg1994 i think actually capturing a wight to send to cersei in concept could be a cool plotline, but the insane amount of mistakes in it blew my mind. first of all, why would you put ALL your main characters there for the expedition? It would be much smarter to send a small party from the NW beyond the wall, being led by maybe Tormund or Edd. Also why tf did Dany basically do nothing when the NK attacked Viserion???
@HimselfMan96 I agree, it's a really cool idea, to expand on it a little, they're gonna go further north than any man has ever been and capture some of the first wights to ever turn, so much opportunity there Moreover why did Danny go at all? They walked in and it was just too convenient that the night king was able to turn a dragon and destroy the wall with it. The one that was flying around, while another the size of a Boeing 777 was just chilling at ground level, not moving and containing pretty much every main character left from this end of the story arc at that point, guess the night king recognised he wouldn't stand a chance against that much plot armour. One of my main criticisms is that both dragon deaths were as meaningless as they were stupid, the other died because Danny forgot about the most powerful navy in the world was exactly where they said it was, infact they literally pointed it out to her and said It was dangerous and not to go near it.
I dont get why ppl are such fans of Arya in the show. For me, she ruins it in many ways. From stealing jons final boss fight to boring ass story lines like the house of black and white.
She's a massive underdog put into impossible circumstances who rises through her own wit and prowess to become one of the most dangerous people in the continent. I didn't like the story myself, but it's easy to see why some did
She had no business surviving till the end of the story. Most of the cast didn't, but she singlehandedly ruined the main draw of the show. Your actions have consequences!
@@witlessteam901 you’re right, she gets gutted, is bleeding profusely and falls into a filthy stream most likely filled with human waste and she’s fine 15 minutes later. GOT got its reputation for being gritty and realistic where anyone can die at any point, yet Arya is indestructible for some reason.
Tbh if they were to show Varys being grilled by Dany while they were still sailing to dragonstone, it would’ve made a nice scene as a flashback during the episode that he was executed.
0:04 At its worst HotD Season 2 reaches Season 5 levels. And even then it has some absolute gems like Rhaenyra the Cruel, the Dragon Claiming & Daemon’s arc.
Daemon had no arc, he learned nothing and still wanted to rule until a prophecy told him that Rhaenyra was the chosen one and if he doesn't suport her the world would end. And the Alicent&Rhaenyra scenes are season 8 worthy. Overall I would say it's season 5/6/7 level but it definitely has scenes that are season 8 level.
I recently watched early seasons and realised two characters are like main characters of the story. They work behind scenes and simply runs entire plot. The first one is Little Finger and second one is Varys. Littlefinger was game changer of the early seasons and how he started to fall after season 4 and his end in season 7 was pathetic. Varys is another chessplayer, he is probably responsible of Mad King's downfall and there is a theory that he was a secret Blackfyre. Littlefinger and Varys are maybe most complex characters in the series, how D&D not know to use them shows their lack of talent.
Dd couldn’t use these characters or any of them really because they didn’t have the ability to- like im saying they don’t seem to have the brain power but also they probably had this written by committee and im guessing object went away from writing good story to- give audience what they think they want- ie kill the horrible hated characters, give them Jon and Dani getting Jiggy even though they are aunt and nephew but they probably didn’t realise that, cock jokes, boss babes and throw out logic to hover all these things to the audience. Forget the whole reason GoT was popular was because it didn’t give you all this nonsense, it gave you a feeling of reality and a dangerous world where no character was safe and any small decision or mistake could have huge consequences.
@@themulattomaker2602Yeah. In S8, you are no longer asking HOW is stuff happening (you stopped asking in S7), you are just, with almost every action taken and almost every line uttered (in the pre-finale and the very finale, it is basically every single scene and line), screaming WHY in seven hells- with no answer provided and no answer likely other than that a strange brain virus is affecting everyone.
An exhausting amount of time lol. I'm happy that people are enjoying the edit since I wanted every second to be worthwhile even though it's 90 minutes long.
I rewatched season 2 of HotD recently and for all it's flaws: I had a MUCH better time with it than with season 7 of GoT. the comparison with S7 of GoT is a bit ridiculous imo
Nah it's fairly valid. S7 just hits harder cause we had a taste of what good GOT was like before the trainwreck. HOTD never had that opportunity cause it was lackluster since season 1 with a few exceptions.
Last comment I'll make: Voice part of the transformation would make sense if your entire body turns into that of the other person, which seems to be how this work. this would work because you would also have the vocal chords of that person. Faceless men work on magic, not disguises. They probably turn into people by harnessing blood magic (hence needing to kill the person and take their face.)
I don't appreciate you being so critical of the delightful Supercuts of the past. Always loved your videos!! That said, glad there's still people like me with enough furious anger at the end of GOT for an hour and a half legolashing, let's go! ❤❤❤❤ Ed.: Game of Freys should be a spinoff series.
You overlooked another major plot hole; the Wight in no way proves the existence of an army of the dead; Cersei has an undead of a different variant standing right next to her, and John himself is technically an undead, so the whole exercise of the climax is pointless.
although season eight is worse, I still hate season seven more. Because it was the first time the show felt bad, and coming off of season six’s finale it was just so much more disappointing. I think by the time season eight rolled around I was at least half prepared for a terrible season
I agree 100%.. season 7 felt bad, and ended like "maybe season 8 could bring it home".... By S8 Winter's Night, I'd already begun laughing like patchface
People need to start giving season 6 a good hard look because it is nowhere near being a good season. Arya's scenes alone make my blood boil for how ridiculous and plain idiotic they were.
Always assumed the whole Winterfell plot was just a case of the Stark kids being extremely bored because they had nothing to do, immediately seeing through Littlefinger‘s plot and just pretending that he could stir up conflict between them while they met off screen and laughed their asses off on how they fooled Littlefinger.
speaking of giants, remember what Jon's girl said in earlier seasons about giants hating to be stared at and the entire later seasons they constantly stare directly at them without any being squashed
The thing that always made GoT so great was that even though you're in a fantasy world, the story and its plot were relatively grounded. Seasons 7 & 8 were just packed with spectacle and such little substance
I had to excuse myself to my office when I heard them say High Garden and thus the Reach are not renowned for their battle prowess. Biggest and potentially richest armies in Westeros but what fucking ever. Can forget about the Tarly’s and HighTowers too. THEY ARENT KNOWN FOR FIGHTING WARS EITHER. A show with them fighting wars would be unrealistic and silly DND, I agree 💀🔫
32:25 Hotpie is the Prince who was promised he's smarter than littefinger unnerfed Varis combined he is a better fighter than Young Bariston, Arthur Dayne and Oberyn and has a better war stagetic mind than Stanis, Robert and Robb and will secretly become a faceless one and will take the throne from Daneris and rule Essos and Westeros
Every devoid of logic moment is why the books are probably taking so long. Writing so many characters POVs and having everything make sense has to be tough. In the show, the character count went way down so there weren't as many councilors around important characters to point out why their decisions would be foolish or not.
Holy moly how did bungle this lol. Tbf, when a script is this big, some things fly over my head. I did the same in my season 5 devoid of logic where I mixed up a couple names for some characters.
@SupercutsDelight Ah, don't worry mate. As a writer myself I know all too well the pains of mixing up the names of houses, castles they live in and the lands they rule.
@@SupercutsDelightdon’t sweat it, man. These sort of small mistakes just add to the levity in these videos which are negative takes after all 😄 So it’s ultimately a good balance.
For me this is the worst season. S8 felt worse cause it was the last one but there is sooooo much in this season that felt so forced - and yes, there was a lot in s8 aswell, but here i felt it was the "jump the kraken" moment. Especially Arya/sansa annoys me to no end, and I liked some of the chemistry in the suicide squad but the reasoning behind going and how Dany saved them is just hahaha..
It's always funny when they do have characters acknowledge how flawed and batshit crazy plans are, but then the other characters never offer a counter argument or reassure them it will work , they just shrug it off and laugh, or say "do you have a better plan" or it's a last resort. Basically it's so crazy it might work instead of characters decisions being grounded in logic and reason like in the early seasons
The fact that NO ONE says a word about Jon leaving the Night’s Watch, when the show started with Ned executing a desertor. The fact he came Back from the dead is barely mentioned so people could not know he was free from his vow.
I can't remember if you addressed it in your original video, but Braavos was founded by escaped slaves, so Dany's activities would very much be of interest to them -- & no, Cersei isn't a slaver- so maybe an argument _could_ be made for a faction of the Iron Bank *_thinking_* about supporting her (at least long enough to get their loan repayments settled), as a means of keeping a foot in the door on the western continent - but Dany has actively fought against the slave-states in her part of Essos, shouldn't that intrigue the Braavosi? Unless there was a statement there to be made- about how moral foundational goals can get corrupted over time, or what economic & social impact Dany's rushed efforts have on the wider landscape, & how it would be seen as dangerous, even to those who might otherwise be potential allies - you know, one of the numerous invisible subplots that could have been better than what we got...
The Roseroad leads directly from King’s Landing to Highgarden but even if Jaime was able to mobilize an army to attack the Tyrells, it would be nearly impossible for a host that large not be spotted. The Tyrells would’ve had plenty of time to prepare for a siege if they made it that far.
Yes, but like, spending 10 years with a show where everything about it was 10/10 quality; only for it to turn into an inconsistent, plot hole, character assassinating story is just heartbreaking. No matter what, I feel like people would've been unhappy. However, the writers rushed everything they could about the last two seasons to get to their new project. The quality drop off is SO insane it's hard not to overlook even the smallest of mistakes.
realistically there’s about two hundred Freys, arya killed barely fifty of them (assuming only the ones directly involved in the red wedding) house Frey is gonna be just fine
Thinking of it, if someone takes an oath to never have children but then later on they become the last of their house then they should be allowed to have children to prevent their house from being erased
Season 4 has some diferences compared to the books but things still worked, I think it was more of an adaptation than a complete butcher of the plots. We didn't have Tysha revelation cause in the show it hasn't much impact, so they switched it into Shae that was Tyrion love in the show, but she ended up betraying him, so I think Tyrion could have become traumatized and evil with it. The battles at Castle Black was combined into one hudge battle and it worked pretty well. I think the story was still coherent with the books. The only main diference was Lady Stoneheart, but this could have been fixed later with an introduction or a substitution.
The fact that in the early seasons when the nightwatch went on scouts it was always stated how easily u could fall in holes or get lost northern of the wall… gendry had no business reaching eastwatch in that situation 😂
No HOTD season is better than any GOT season. All the characters suck. The only character I liked a lot was Alicent from episode 6-10 in season 1 and then she lost her backbone
In The end of Episode one where u said there is nothing wrong in this scene where hound is moving across with brotherhood without banners in Riverrun and Arya is too in riverrun where no blizzerd is coming nor the ice or cold around them both scene take place in riverrun still one is fine the other one is cold as north
I think episodes 1-4 are just a little worse than seasons 5 and 6. However, episodes 5-7 are just as bad as season 8. Just such brain dead writing. Idk how an episode as dumb as Beyond The Wall has a 9.0 on IMDb.
One of the (many) things that didn't make sense about giving the wights the weakness of a droid army is how the other white walkers were also destroyed when the night king was killed. Call me crazy, but those guys weren't raised from the dead (see Crastor's sons) and weren't being controlled like zombies. So why did they have the exact same weakness? It's a rhetorical question of course, I know why. But still.
Thank you for sticking your finger back in the wounds - years later and I'm still angry at what was done to us. We can't ever let them forget. The Fans Remember.
Dude I had to listen back 3 times but I realised you’ve started using Klaras theme in your videos, DBH definitely has one of the best game soundtracks oat
This video will come across as nitpicking to some, but the funny part is that George ABSOLUTELY cares about things like this. Sometimes he bends the rules for dramatic effect but in general his characters don't just assassinate everyone in the Twins like its nothing.
Hotd might not be the best but it set up some things that could pay off cool. We can’t put it on GOT s7 level just yet until we see the whole picture. Also GOT 7 didn’t have to deal with a set in stone script because of a writers strike
This is perfect, but for 12:11. I liked that the hound had not "accepted" the fire lord as his god, but he believes this to be the correct path to be on. He openly rejects religion at every point, yet he was the only one who saw visions in the fire when staying at the abandoned home of the two who helped him when he needed it. The hound was burnt as a child; it makes sense to why he wouldn't want to believe in a fire god, but I personally thought his journey was interesting and putting such a anti-religious person who rarely takes responsibility(minus looking after Arya) with The Brotherhood who use religion at every turn to explain why things happen. I would say the Hound and the Brotherhood share a similar outlook, they both do bad things for the betterment of themselves and sometimes others, the only difference is the hound is alone, while the brotherhood have a group setting to share the burden. The hound had met the brotherhood early in the story, which I personally enjoyed that the brotherhood who believed in a fire god would end up furthest north than most characters and for the man "kissed by fire" i think it makes sense. Great video though. This was the only thing that kinda bothered me, otherwise I'm going to binge your other videos on DoL videos :)
Sansa Letter: If you ever make a re-remake: Put the first lesson Jaquen gives Arya in: "Why is it okay for you to serve Tywin but not for me to serve the Lennisters to survive?" Now - everytime I think about this great scene in the early seasons I have to think about this sub-plot with Sansa. I always thought it was nice that Aryas survival mode was more active but there she learned the lesson Sansa had to learn on the first day after Ned lost his head. Thats the one experience/lesson they shared... And they destroyed it.
Hotd is for a very frustrating show but I broadly like and think positives outweigh negatives…it is NOWHERE NEAR got season 7. That season was horrendous
It as bad as season 5 I would say.
@@AerysIIFirstofhisname I think that's a fair assesment
For real, i gasped when he said that...
@@WassimKhennenou Its not him saying that, Ive seen real people on twitter say that its as bad as season 8, and hes arguing the opposite
Yeah LMFAO who is insane enough to have that take
People talk about the bad plot points and awful characterization, but there's also just the complete lack of creativity in the last few seasons. You have characters that are assassins, magic users and have dragons but D&D barely have them do anything.
Arya spends like half the show searching out and training with the faceless men.. she wears like 2 faces no?
@@stephengrigg5988she spends all that time training and the payoff is a single satisfying murder with no bearing on the plot
@@aydenulery9562 a murder that she frankly had no right to claim. A final showdown between Jon and The Night King would have been infinitely better.
@@sorgii there’s nothing satisfying about the night kings death I’m talking about Walder Frey
DnD didn't think ahead for plot lines... they patched it together episode to episode like the first Naruto Manga 😂
The importance of the food supply in Westeros is frequently referenced in the books; it’s the main reason Tywin seeks an alliance with House Tyrell. Having Dany destroy the Lannister supply train instead of their soldiers is blatant incompetence, and it’s made even worse when she offers the defeated troops to join her army. You just burned all their food and now you want MORE mouths to feed???
Yea that's why she was pissed off in the first place cause she had no more food to feed her troops. She go on the attack and she burns the food! lol Maybe D & D really want to put the point across that she was dumb.
1:01:24 If Gendry is so fast, why did it take him 4 seasons to row from Dragonstone to King’s Landing!?
He was doing training laps. To get faster
His legs are fast, not his arms
@@manoz6194 rowing is 80% a leg sport, i did that for 6 years
@@herbertschulz4313 6 years? Jeez, were you rowing to Mars? It's was jokes
@@manoz6194 Nah, he was rowing to King's Landing
This is EXACTLY the kind of diversion I need right now. Thank you, Supercuts!
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You've come a long way since the Abandoned Plot Lines video that I first saw of you. Great to see how good you've become at making videos. Not just the writing but also the editing for the humor.
HOTD season 2 still made sense and had compelling side characters, it just didn’t reach any payoff. Game of Thrones Season 7 was just bad.
Yep, felt like 8 episodes with the last two missing (exactly what we got). I have no idea why we're going back to the shorter season formula, it just doesn't work.
It didn't make any sense, Alicent, Rhaenyra, Aemond, Daemon, Helaena and others didn't make sense. It is as bad as season 5/6 at best and has some scenes that are season 8 worthy like Alicent trying to sell out all her male family members to the people who killed her grandson in exchange for her daughter and grandaughter to become hostages of those very same people.
And it was majorly fucked over by WB’s budget cuts
HOTD season 2 was just bad, as well. People will lie and tell you it was just missing the final two episodes and nothing more, but no, it was just bad television.
@@masterplokoon8803yeah but its also season 1/2 of GoT at its best. The first two episodes were some of the best of the series
Are people actually comparing HOTD S02 to the slop of later GOT seasons? I thought S02, while not perfect, didn't make me angry watching it.
i knew people though it was bad but comparing it to season 7 or 8 is a bit much xd
HOTD for me is a lame duck. GOT was special because of all the intrigue and dialogue of the early seasons. The deterioration of the show roughly coincides with the increased screen time the dragons were given. For me HOTD is basically just the dragon stuff turned up to eleven. Its almost like they don't bother with the dialogue in HOTD because they are relying too much on the dragons being the main draw. The dragons are carrying way too much of the show, the dialogue is weak, and if you take them away this show would have little to offer.
@@hnnsyi mean, the premise of the show itself just isnt nearly as interesting as the main series. The span of characters, area, points of action and consequence are pitiful compared to even like the first two episodes of game of thrones. I want to like it but ive never seen a more drawn out show where the only drama seems manufactured on convenience and happenstance rather than action and consequence.
@@hnnsy I've heard people say completely the oposite xd that it had too much dialogue and it was borring and it didnt have enough dragons
Well, it made me angry while watching it. Also, why is 2 of the worst season of TV ever made the barometer for HOTD S2? Just because it's not S7 or S8 level doesn't mean it's not bad, it is.
5 years later and we still getting content dunking on Game of Thrones and I love it lmao. God i wish we could go back and fix how GOT was handled to this day.
You'd have to go back to season 2 because that's when the BS first started.
@@Al-ji4gd care to elaborate?
@@shannonceleste5557 A lot of the writing mistakes can be traced back to decisions they made when making season 2, that's when they first started to deviate from the books a lot. They papered over the cracks though for the next couple of seasons and they show maintained its quality because they kept most of the major moments from the books, but after S4 it began to unravel.
Nah, he just isn't original lol
IDK how they didn't know how to write the characters they spent over a decade working with.
Tyrion creating the worst battle plan in histroy just to nerf daenerys so cersei even has a chance will always be insane. In the span of 3 episodes daenerys loses the dornish alliance, highgarden, and most of yara's fleet
missandei not knowing what a bastard is is actually madness
I didn't notice this until this video but you're so right, it is insanity
Holly molly. Now this is the length of video I expected out of this series
Bron - who does nothing of import after saving Jaime - not dying at the Loot Train battle is actually f'king wild.
Arya has Batman level plot armor at this point of the story screw dragons imagine if other characters learned The Faceless Men techniques their armies would be near unstoppable😭
Arya doesn't has Batman Plot armour because Batman does not have plot armour. There are reasons and explanation always given in the Batman Comic Books With Every Batman Feat at the most no rules are broken that fiction storyline that are established and are made in that fiction atleast. Arya does feel more like live-action Gotham's Batman or live-actin The Dark Knight Trilogy s Batman only a Little training and some unknown place visit that's all.
@@2301WAYNEBatman defeating Darkseid, no matter what or how is plot armor.
@@2301WAYNE All the reasons and explanations given in any Batman story IS plot armour. Its so overdone that plot armour is now one of Batman's superpowers lmao.
Batman should be the dictionary definition of plot armour
@@exploringwithkristen8065 While Batman like any other fictional character has instances where he does indeed have plot armor or PIS feats, it is not as often as people like to think. Most cases of Batman having these showings are taken out of context due to lack of knowledge or for the sake of proving a point. In actuality, Batman doesn’t have that many showings of PIS in modern day comics. Again, he does sometimes but not as often as people like to say he does.
It’s pretty clear in the books that Sandor Clegaine ends up living at a secluded community of holy men, so I felt that the show was making a nod to that.
thanks lil wayne
Yes but he’s out of the story in the books. He’s not going to show back up.
@@ec7458 he's definitely gonna show back up
@@undbiter65I don’t see to what end he’ll turn up. His story is over. And there’s just not enough time to bring him back.
@@sassquatch212 if you think his story is over, you have not been paying attention to the books.
The thing that really annoyed me is that D&D turned Sansa & Arya into CERSEI LANNISTER, and they did this without even realizing it or seeing the irony. For instance, Cersei was awful to Sansa when she was a child, putting the girl through torture, when Sansa’s only sin was being Ned Stark’s daughter. Then, in this season, Sansa says that Ned Umber & Alys Karstark, who were both children, should be punished based on what their FATHERS did. As for Arya… she killed off all those people under Frey for payback which is exactly something CERSEI would’ve done like when she blew up the Sept. D&D saw those scenes as “girl boss” moments when it actually revealed to me that Sansa & Arya are psychopaths. CERSEI WOULD’VE BEEN SO PROUD OF THESE LITTLE MONSTERS!
Yeah because you can tell DD had their heads messed up regarding current day politics and injected that into the story making beloved characters insufferable, cringey, morons and made other characters pathetic, crazy and stupid.
@macflod do you care to elaborate? Idk what politics have to do with D&D getting lazy and letting insecurities about their storytelling abilities take over any semblance of intrigue and logic in the story
and still wanted to portray them into a good light
"Littlefinger tries to romance Jon and rolls a 1" 😂😂😂😂
He rolled a nat 20 with that line 😂
Audiences saying HOTD S2 was as bad as S7 & 8 need to watch this video.
Let's not forget, D&D were given unlimited resources by HBO but actively chose to finish it all in 13 episodes.
HOTD so far has been hindered by COVID and a writers strike and it STILL turned out a thousand times better than GOTs last two seasons.
Don't forget HOTD also went through Zaslavs whack ass budget cuts forcing the show to be cut down to 8 episodes weeks before production began, too little time to rewrite and restructure the season
@@Imoutsideteehee exactly, S2 wasn't perfect but to have fans complaining that S7 & 8 moved too quick and HOTD is moving too slow just baffles me
@@IsaacWhittakerDakin noone says it's moving too slow... but the jason lannister with the pirates storyline in episode 8 was season7 level
@@vocad808 I've seen plenty of criticism saying it moves too slow
It is worst than season 8 lmao
Shouldn’t have Danny’s 3 dragons refused to fly past the wall just like Vermithor and Silverwing? Granted FandB haven’t been written but knowing GRRM he already had that in mind
Well we are talking D&D here so even if they were told about this i can totally see Dumb and dumber forgetting
I don't think that was established in show cannon until HotD S2.
@@sadhydrawell that's kind of the point. Why establish it as "show canon" if it was already contradicted in the previous show?
@sadhydra HotD is based on "Fire and Blood" which came out in 2018 and season 8 came out in 2019
@@stephengrigg5988because it was canon before game of thrones s 8 was written
A) Having Daario, Grey Work, and Arya infiltrate King’s Landing would’ve been incredible
B) Having NK/Euron kill Dany leaving Jon with Rhaegal and having him become the mad Targaryan would’ve been incredible. First life Stark, second life Targaryan-the song of ice and fire
Ehh.. there was absolutely nothing to show that Jon would ever be anything other than honorable. I don't see a Mad King run for him going any better than Danys heel turn
@@stephengrigg5988they would have had to change Jon’s personality after his resurrection to make it work - like he comes back but he’s not the same anymore and it becomes more apparent with each episode.
1:00 It's not even that, GOT forgot the Lannisters gave Riverrun to the Freys. In the book, Tywin's sister, Genna, is married to Emmon Frey and the have 4 sons, one of them being sir Cleos Frey, whom we met in season 2. Emmon Frey holds Riverrun currently.
To be fair to Eminem Frey he didn’t have anything to do with the red wedding and never betrayed the starks,he fought for the lannisters, the whole war.
The expedition beyond the wall was wild 😭🙏
Literally spent the entire episode thinking about how ass and illogical the episode was
The end reveal that they did all that and failed, lost a dragon and ensured the walls destruction, all to capture a Wight, a thing that cannot cross the magical wall anyway and then take it hundreds miles south to try impress another character that didn't even care
@@mickieg1994 when they easily could have forced the Lannisters to surrender in a day, overthrow Cersei and then conscript what is left of the Lannister army to join their fight in the North.
@masterplokoon8803 that's actually pretty much what I would of thought would go down, with arya basically being a God of death to any human, cersei shouldn't really have posed that much of a problem.
Feel like they could of drawn it out by trying to strong arm cersei into supporting them, would have been fun to watch
@@mickieg1994 i think actually capturing a wight to send to cersei in concept could be a cool plotline, but the insane amount of mistakes in it blew my mind. first of all, why would you put ALL your main characters there for the expedition? It would be much smarter to send a small party from the NW beyond the wall, being led by maybe Tormund or Edd.
Also why tf did Dany basically do nothing when the NK attacked Viserion???
@HimselfMan96 I agree, it's a really cool idea, to expand on it a little, they're gonna go further north than any man has ever been and capture some of the first wights to ever turn, so much opportunity there
Moreover why did Danny go at all? They walked in and it was just too convenient that the night king was able to turn a dragon and destroy the wall with it.
The one that was flying around, while another the size of a Boeing 777 was just chilling at ground level, not moving and containing pretty much every main character left from this end of the story arc at that point, guess the night king recognised he wouldn't stand a chance against that much plot armour.
One of my main criticisms is that both dragon deaths were as meaningless as they were stupid, the other died because Danny forgot about the most powerful navy in the world was exactly where they said it was, infact they literally pointed it out to her and said It was dangerous and not to go near it.
Don't forget Jon brushing off the hypothermia from being submerged in freezing water!
90min?? we eating this weekend
But is meat back on the Menu 🤔
I dont get why ppl are such fans of Arya in the show. For me, she ruins it in many ways. From stealing jons final boss fight to boring ass story lines like the house of black and white.
Because she's "bad ass" 🤮
Agreed, I always felt the attempts to make her some kind of bad ass or force to be reckoned with were hamfisted.
She's a massive underdog put into impossible circumstances who rises through her own wit and prowess to become one of the most dangerous people in the continent. I didn't like the story myself, but it's easy to see why some did
She had no business surviving till the end of the story. Most of the cast didn't, but she singlehandedly ruined the main draw of the show. Your actions have consequences!
@@witlessteam901 you’re right, she gets gutted, is bleeding profusely and falls into a filthy stream most likely filled with human waste and she’s fine 15 minutes later.
GOT got its reputation for being gritty and realistic where anyone can die at any point, yet Arya is indestructible for some reason.
Tbh if they were to show Varys being grilled by Dany while they were still sailing to dragonstone, it would’ve made a nice scene as a flashback during the episode that he was executed.
in the loot train attack, Jaime should have had a mirror scene to Criston Cole walking through the aftermath of rooks rest
0:04 At its worst HotD Season 2 reaches Season 5 levels. And even then it has some absolute gems like Rhaenyra the Cruel, the Dragon Claiming & Daemon’s arc.
Daemon had no arc, he learned nothing and still wanted to rule until a prophecy told him that Rhaenyra was the chosen one and if he doesn't suport her the world would end. And the Alicent&Rhaenyra scenes are season 8 worthy. Overall I would say it's season 5/6/7 level but it definitely has scenes that are season 8 level.
Daemon's arc lmao
I recently watched early seasons and realised two characters are like main characters of the story. They work behind scenes and simply runs entire plot. The first one is Little Finger and second one is Varys. Littlefinger was game changer of the early seasons and how he started to fall after season 4 and his end in season 7 was pathetic. Varys is another chessplayer, he is probably responsible of Mad King's downfall and there is a theory that he was a secret Blackfyre. Littlefinger and Varys are maybe most complex characters in the series, how D&D not know to use them shows their lack of talent.
Dd couldn’t use these characters or any of them really because they didn’t have the ability to- like im saying they don’t seem to have the brain power but also they probably had this written by committee and im guessing object went away from writing good story to- give audience what they think they want- ie kill the horrible hated characters, give them Jon and Dani getting Jiggy even though they are aunt and nephew but they probably didn’t realise that, cock jokes, boss babes and throw out logic to hover all these things to the audience.
Forget the whole reason GoT was popular was because it didn’t give you all this nonsense, it gave you a feeling of reality and a dangerous world where no character was safe and any small decision or mistake could have huge consequences.
If this one is so freaking long, IMAGINE SEASON 8 LMAO CANT WAIT
I think for the S8 video, he can just show S8 from beginning to end with no changes or commentary 🤣
@@themulattomaker2602Yeah. In S8, you are no longer asking HOW is stuff happening (you stopped asking in S7), you are just, with almost every action taken and almost every line uttered (in the pre-finale and the very finale, it is basically every single scene and line), screaming WHY in seven hells- with no answer provided and no answer likely other than that a strange brain virus is affecting everyone.
the amount of hotd hate is crazy
No, it's not. So far they haven't made a good season of TV lol.
Because it's bad
Season 1 was very good, season 2 was not good
Is that hateful?
Awesome video. The Gendry scene, fookin' brilliant.
The Gendry-zips-through-the-universe montage was *chef's kiss*
This was so well done and I adore how you edit. Honestly if you decide to re-do more I'll gladly watch :) .
The amount of cuts in this video is super indeed, how long did it take to make this video? longer than the long night probably.
An exhausting amount of time lol. I'm happy that people are enjoying the edit since I wanted every second to be worthwhile even though it's 90 minutes long.
Fantastic work 😎
Wanted to watch a movie today and you just uploaded this 1h30 video, guess that'll be it then.
I rewatched season 2 of HotD recently and for all it's flaws: I had a MUCH better time with it than with season 7 of GoT. the comparison with S7 of GoT is a bit ridiculous imo
Not really, it's all bad.
Nah it's fairly valid. S7 just hits harder cause we had a taste of what good GOT was like before the trainwreck. HOTD never had that opportunity cause it was lackluster since season 1 with a few exceptions.
Remember those who reduced us to this - remember and hate.
Hey Dragon
"I resent"
"RESENTMENT IS GOOD 👈"
just a word of appreciation to find those 0.5 clips from GOT or random media to match the narration, must’ve taken a LONG time for a 90 min video
the Gendry skit sure did last a long time😂😂😂. enjoyed every second tho
Last comment I'll make: Voice part of the transformation would make sense if your entire body turns into that of the other person, which seems to be how this work. this would work because you would also have the vocal chords of that person. Faceless men work on magic, not disguises. They probably turn into people by harnessing blood magic (hence needing to kill the person and take their face.)
I don't appreciate you being so critical of the delightful Supercuts of the past. Always loved your videos!!
That said, glad there's still people like me with enough furious anger at the end of GOT for an hour and a half legolashing, let's go! ❤❤❤❤
Ed.: Game of Freys should be a spinoff series.
Sansa: if a door sign says Pull, don't push
Everyone: Sansa is a damn genius and the smartest person I've met omg
You overlooked another major plot hole; the Wight in no way proves the existence of an army of the dead; Cersei has an undead of a different variant standing right next to her, and John himself is technically an undead, so the whole exercise of the climax is pointless.
I can watch these long GOTs videos all day. Wonderful content. It's like eagering awaiting a remaster. Please more lol 😅😅
Season 7 is overrated by normie audiences. They don’t remember how bad it actually was because of big battles with dragons.
Bro gatekeeping the worse show in history
Same with 5&6, only 1-4 were good
@@BigPurpleCarrot I’m gatekeeping the books to keep out the show plebs
Another 1 amd a half hpur video listen in the backround as you do things, thank u man
although season eight is worse, I still hate season seven more. Because it was the first time the show felt bad, and coming off of season six’s finale it was just so much more disappointing.
I think by the time season eight rolled around I was at least half prepared for a terrible season
I agree 100%.. season 7 felt bad, and ended like "maybe season 8 could bring it home"....
By S8 Winter's Night, I'd already begun laughing like patchface
People need to start giving season 6 a good hard look because it is nowhere near being a good season. Arya's scenes alone make my blood boil for how ridiculous and plain idiotic they were.
Personally, I thought seasons 5 and 6 also felt bad.
Always assumed the whole Winterfell plot was just a case of the Stark kids being extremely bored because they had nothing to do, immediately seeing through Littlefinger‘s plot and just pretending that he could stir up conflict between them while they met off screen and laughed their asses off on how they fooled Littlefinger.
speaking of giants, remember what Jon's girl said in earlier seasons about giants hating to be stared at and the entire later seasons they constantly stare directly at them without any being squashed
I enjoyed every minute of this video I know it’s not easy and probably took months to put together but we all appreciate it
I always found it funny that thoros froze to death and then beric instantly lights a fire and burns his boddy
The thing that always made GoT so great was that even though you're in a fantasy world, the story and its plot were relatively grounded. Seasons 7 & 8 were just packed with spectacle and such little substance
I had to excuse myself to my office when I heard them say High Garden and thus the Reach are not renowned for their battle prowess. Biggest and potentially richest armies in Westeros but what fucking ever. Can forget about the Tarly’s and HighTowers too. THEY ARENT KNOWN FOR FIGHTING WARS EITHER. A show with them fighting wars would be unrealistic and silly DND, I agree 💀🔫
Best editing and great references yet!
32:25 Hotpie is the Prince who was promised he's smarter than littefinger unnerfed Varis combined he is a better fighter than Young Bariston, Arthur Dayne and Oberyn and has a better war stagetic mind than Stanis, Robert and Robb and will secretly become a faceless one and will take the throne from Daneris and rule Essos and Westeros
Every devoid of logic moment is why the books are probably taking so long. Writing so many characters POVs and having everything make sense has to be tough. In the show, the character count went way down so there weren't as many councilors around important characters to point out why their decisions would be foolish or not.
Love those types of videos of you, pls do a season 8 remake 💪
Every time he calls the Tyrells "the Highgardens" my heart cries
Holy moly how did bungle this lol. Tbf, when a script is this big, some things fly over my head. I did the same in my season 5 devoid of logic where I mixed up a couple names for some characters.
@SupercutsDelight Ah, don't worry mate. As a writer myself I know all too well the pains of mixing up the names of houses, castles they live in and the lands they rule.
@@SupercutsDelightdon’t sweat it, man. These sort of small mistakes just add to the levity in these videos which are negative takes after all 😄
So it’s ultimately a good balance.
I Do have to say though, that the meeting where Sam was like hey guys what if we do a Democracy and they all were like "hahahaha stfu you muppet"
Wait what do you have to say though 😭 lmao you only repeated what happened in the scene
For me this is the worst season. S8 felt worse cause it was the last one but there is sooooo much in this season that felt so forced - and yes, there was a lot in s8 aswell, but here i felt it was the "jump the kraken" moment. Especially Arya/sansa annoys me to no end, and I liked some of the chemistry in the suicide squad but the reasoning behind going and how Dany saved them is just hahaha..
It's always funny when they do have characters acknowledge how flawed and batshit crazy plans are, but then the other characters never offer a counter argument or reassure them it will work , they just shrug it off and laugh, or say "do you have a better plan" or it's a last resort. Basically it's so crazy it might work instead of characters decisions being grounded in logic and reason like in the early seasons
The fact that NO ONE says a word about Jon leaving the Night’s Watch, when the show started with Ned executing a desertor.
The fact he came Back from the dead is barely mentioned so people could not know he was free from his vow.
Fair point! That should have been a MUCH bigger deal than it was
YT: "So.. HOW devoid of logic is Season 7 actually?"
Fans: "Yes!"
17:16 “If I was Dany…” 😂😂😂 WHY, Supercuts? This part killed me. 💀😂😂
I can't remember if you addressed it in your original video, but Braavos was founded by escaped slaves, so Dany's activities would very much be of interest to them -- & no, Cersei isn't a slaver- so maybe an argument _could_ be made for a faction of the Iron Bank *_thinking_* about supporting her (at least long enough to get their loan repayments settled), as a means of keeping a foot in the door on the western continent - but Dany has actively fought against the slave-states in her part of Essos, shouldn't that intrigue the Braavosi?
Unless there was a statement there to be made- about how moral foundational goals can get corrupted over time, or what economic & social impact Dany's rushed efforts have on the wider landscape, & how it would be seen as dangerous, even to those who might otherwise be potential allies - you know, one of the numerous invisible subplots that could have been better than what we got...
Wait that transition at 6:15 was sick. You deserve a like and sub just for that.
1:00:45 mannn the zombies teleport sound brought back some MEMORIES
The Roseroad leads directly from King’s Landing to Highgarden but even if Jaime was able to mobilize an army to attack the Tyrells, it would be nearly impossible for a host that large not be spotted. The Tyrells would’ve had plenty of time to prepare for a siege if they made it that far.
1 day ago? Still talking about this? Respect.
Spreading conflict like sauce on a pizza. Perfect.
Thank you! I can't wait to dive into this long video.
The hunger problem resolved with the citidal explosion, free cooked meat
What a brave soul, going back to season 7 and pointing out all the problems.
What a brave man, my prayers go out to you 😞🙏
Wow. Probably the best youtube video I watched in a long time
This video is sooo unnecessarily nitpicky, but entertaining
Yes, but like, spending 10 years with a show where everything about it was 10/10 quality; only for it to turn into an inconsistent, plot hole, character assassinating story is just heartbreaking. No matter what, I feel like people would've been unhappy. However, the writers rushed everything they could about the last two seasons to get to their new project. The quality drop off is SO insane it's hard not to overlook even the smallest of mistakes.
realistically there’s about two hundred Freys, arya killed barely fifty of them (assuming only the ones directly involved in the red wedding) house Frey is gonna be just fine
I think I might have watched Season 6. Can’t recall, but the writing was on the wall by then. I certainly missed 7 and 8.
Thinking of it, if someone takes an oath to never have children but then later on they become the last of their house then they should be allowed to have children to prevent their house from being erased
Btw if Im cersei there is no way Im letting danny and her dragons leave kings landing alive, I would have scorpions in the bushes ready for them
Man, you could make a rewriting Game of Thrones series. Starting from where It all went wrong (Season 5), and giving the show a worth finale.
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Season 4 has some diferences compared to the books but things still worked, I think it was more of an adaptation than a complete butcher of the plots.
We didn't have Tysha revelation cause in the show it hasn't much impact, so they switched it into Shae that was Tyrion love in the show, but she ended up betraying him, so I think Tyrion could have become traumatized and evil with it.
The battles at Castle Black was combined into one hudge battle and it worked pretty well.
I think the story was still coherent with the books. The only main diference was Lady Stoneheart, but this could have been fixed later with an introduction or a substitution.
Skyrim ost always makes me levitate
watching s7ep6 on coke was a great experience, rewatching it sober made me realize just how bad of an ep it is.
Are you me
The fact that in the early seasons when the nightwatch went on scouts it was always stated how easily u could fall in holes or get lost northern of the wall… gendry had no business reaching eastwatch in that situation 😂
We gave season 7 a huge pass because we thought that there would be a huge payoff in season 8.
How wrong we were
Dunno how anyone had any hope going into S8. Too many problems had been created, was never going to be a payoff
No HOTD season is better than any GOT season. All the characters suck. The only character I liked a lot was Alicent from episode 6-10 in season 1 and then she lost her backbone
Season 1 of HOTD was great! Season 2 was...some good, some not-so-good, some straight up bad fan fiction.
Totally agree about GOT Season 7.
In The end of Episode one where u said there is nothing wrong in this scene where hound is moving across with brotherhood without banners in Riverrun and Arya is too in riverrun where no blizzerd is coming nor the ice or cold around them both scene take place in riverrun still one is fine the other one is cold as north
the sequence of gendry being the fastest man alive is so fucking funny I'm subscribing
I think episodes 1-4 are just a little worse than seasons 5 and 6. However, episodes 5-7 are just as bad as season 8. Just such brain dead writing. Idk how an episode as dumb as Beyond The Wall has a 9.0 on IMDb.
The Gendry run craked me up😂😂
You meant to say : back to Essos or wherever dragons go - in Tywin's voice
One of the (many) things that didn't make sense about giving the wights the weakness of a droid army is how the other white walkers were also destroyed when the night king was killed. Call me crazy, but those guys weren't raised from the dead (see Crastor's sons) and weren't being controlled like zombies. So why did they have the exact same weakness? It's a rhetorical question of course, I know why. But still.
Thank you for sticking your finger back in the wounds - years later and I'm still angry at what was done to us. We can't ever let them forget. The Fans Remember.
Dude I had to listen back 3 times but I realised you’ve started using Klaras theme in your videos, DBH definitely has one of the best game soundtracks oat
This video will come across as nitpicking to some, but the funny part is that George ABSOLUTELY cares about things like this.
Sometimes he bends the rules for dramatic effect but in general his characters don't just assassinate everyone in the Twins like its nothing.
Hotd might not be the best but it set up some things that could pay off cool. We can’t put it on GOT s7 level just yet until we see the whole picture. Also GOT 7 didn’t have to deal with a set in stone script because of a writers strike
11:34 Making fun of Ed Sheeran's needless cameo while using clips of Danish comedian Frank Hvam's librarian cameo was peak 👌
This is perfect, but for 12:11. I liked that the hound had not "accepted" the fire lord as his god, but he believes this to be the correct path to be on. He openly rejects religion at every point, yet he was the only one who saw visions in the fire when staying at the abandoned home of the two who helped him when he needed it. The hound was burnt as a child; it makes sense to why he wouldn't want to believe in a fire god, but I personally thought his journey was interesting and putting such a anti-religious person who rarely takes responsibility(minus looking after Arya) with The Brotherhood who use religion at every turn to explain why things happen. I would say the Hound and the Brotherhood share a similar outlook, they both do bad things for the betterment of themselves and sometimes others, the only difference is the hound is alone, while the brotherhood have a group setting to share the burden. The hound had met the brotherhood early in the story, which I personally enjoyed that the brotherhood who believed in a fire god would end up furthest north than most characters and for the man "kissed by fire" i think it makes sense. Great video though. This was the only thing that kinda bothered me, otherwise I'm going to binge your other videos on DoL videos :)
Sansa Letter: If you ever make a re-remake: Put the first lesson Jaquen gives Arya in: "Why is it okay for you to serve Tywin but not for me to serve the Lennisters to survive?" Now - everytime I think about this great scene in the early seasons I have to think about this sub-plot with Sansa. I always thought it was nice that Aryas survival mode was more active but there she learned the lesson Sansa had to learn on the first day after Ned lost his head. Thats the one experience/lesson they shared... And they destroyed it.